WEBVTT 00:00:02.023 --> 00:00:09.814 Had you actually read the email, you would know that the podcast you are about to listen to could contain explicit language and offensive content. 00:00:09.814 --> 00:00:16.480 These HR experts' views are not representative of their past, present or future employers. 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:19.707 If you have ever heard my manager is unfair to me. 00:00:19.707 --> 00:00:26.548 I need you to reset my HR portal password, or Can I write up my employee for crying too much? 00:00:26.548 --> 00:00:28.885 Welcome to our little safe zone. 00:00:28.885 --> 00:00:31.190 Welcome to Jaded HR. 00:00:42.841 --> 00:00:53.979 So, anyways, let's take two Welcome to J hr to podcast by two hr professionals who help you get through the workday by saying everything you're thinking, but say it out loud. 00:00:53.979 --> 00:01:00.945 I'm warren I'm cc all right, so this is take two you're. 00:01:00.945 --> 00:01:07.971 We had a little technical difficulty, so yeah, we're back and it's 2025 in. 00:01:07.971 --> 00:01:19.268 April We'll be starting our season five, a year five, so that's going to be really exciting for us. 00:01:19.268 --> 00:01:26.808 So yeah, before technical wonderfulness happened, we were talking about Snowmageddon and you making it through that. 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:29.603 Do you think that's what made this fall apart? 00:01:29.603 --> 00:01:30.968 Was the Snowmageddon? 00:01:30.968 --> 00:01:33.013 I'm starting to think Exactly. 00:01:33.013 --> 00:01:36.347 Also, I'm starting to believe Mercury in retrograde. 00:01:36.347 --> 00:01:37.430 Is it in retrograde? 00:01:37.430 --> 00:01:38.233 What's going on? 00:01:38.233 --> 00:01:53.644 Because I woke up this morning like my husband's complete work station was not working Things, just his keyboard wasn't working, this wasn't working whatever, and then he was like, trying to fix that, like all the batteries went out all of a sudden in the house. 00:01:53.644 --> 00:01:56.891 I'm like is something happening with? 00:01:56.891 --> 00:02:00.781 Is it retrograde or is it just 2025? 00:02:00.781 --> 00:02:01.483 Like, where are we? 00:02:01.483 --> 00:02:02.284 What is happening? 00:02:03.046 --> 00:02:05.469 oh, I don't know. 00:02:05.469 --> 00:02:12.590 I I haven't had any knock on wood bad luck in 2025 yet, but I'm with me. 00:02:12.590 --> 00:02:17.000 I'm just a time bomb waiting to go off with some bad luck somewhere. 00:02:17.300 --> 00:02:20.504 So I just you know I'm over the new year. 00:02:20.504 --> 00:02:26.274 Let's just go for a, a slightly used, like reasonably good shape old year. 00:02:26.274 --> 00:02:28.783 Like I'll take a 1998 all over again. 00:02:28.804 --> 00:02:38.888 That was pretty fun, like let's just no but, yeah, snowmageddon, so we had like 13 inches of snow, which is very not, it's not normal for us. 00:02:38.888 --> 00:02:41.252 But yeah, we were snowed in for a little bit. 00:02:41.252 --> 00:02:50.640 The baby actually slept at my parents' place and because they're like the daycare and they're like we don't know how the roads are going to be, so just leave her here. 00:02:50.640 --> 00:02:55.592 And that was fantastic, cause I don't remember a night, oh, yeah, yeah, I'll wait. 00:02:56.020 --> 00:02:59.566 Yeah, thanks, but yeah, like it was just, it was wonderful, and I don't know. 00:02:59.566 --> 00:03:02.090 I there's like this clip going around the internet. 00:03:02.090 --> 00:03:05.694 I don't know if it went, quote unquote, viral, but it's been going around. 00:03:05.694 --> 00:03:10.479 It's our local weather guy and he has lost his mind, like while doing the newscasting. 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:14.187 Like at the end of it he's just making snow angels and it is. 00:03:14.187 --> 00:03:19.288 It is like chef's kiss of how we were just dealing with snowmageddon. 00:03:21.292 --> 00:03:22.354 Oh, that's funny. 00:03:22.354 --> 00:03:25.507 So, yeah, we got our snowmageddon too. 00:03:25.507 --> 00:03:30.747 It it flurried for probably five minutes and and it was done. 00:03:30.747 --> 00:03:36.162 Uh, and the funny thing is I went to take out some garbage and I noticed, oh wow, it's snowing. 00:03:36.162 --> 00:03:38.048 And you know, you really couldn't see it too well. 00:03:38.048 --> 00:03:41.846 If you looked up in the light you could see you know it a little bit better. 00:03:41.846 --> 00:03:48.848 And then you, you look at like we have our patio furniture covered with a black cover and so you could see the snow on that. 00:03:48.848 --> 00:03:50.211 I was like, oh cool, it's snowing. 00:03:50.211 --> 00:03:56.925 And I said, you know what, I'm going to go take the garbage to the curb before before it gets any worse or anything like that. 00:03:56.925 --> 00:04:07.312 By the time I got back from the curb it was done, our snow, our snow had stopped and we, we were done and I was perfectly happy with that. 00:04:07.312 --> 00:04:08.542 And yeah, so I was. 00:04:08.842 --> 00:04:15.604 Yeah, I would like some snow, just not on a day or time I have to drive and right now my son lives in. 00:04:15.604 --> 00:04:17.709 It goes to college out in the mountains in North Carolina. 00:04:17.709 --> 00:04:39.141 It's been snowing like three days in a row out there and I think yesterday they got six inches and then it's supposed to not snow again the rest of this week until friday, which, but on friday and saturday it's supposed to snow again and that's when we have to take him home or take him back, so it's normally a 13 hour drive to get him there and back. 00:04:39.141 --> 00:04:40.725 I'm anticipating this is going to be like a. 00:04:40.725 --> 00:04:49.202 This might require a hotel trip somewhere along the way back North Carolina. 00:04:49.202 --> 00:04:49.785 We don't. 00:04:49.785 --> 00:04:51.591 We aren't prepared for snow. 00:04:51.591 --> 00:04:56.932 I don't think my county has its own snow vehicles period or anything like that. 00:04:56.932 --> 00:04:59.829 So yeah, that's it, that's good. 00:04:59.829 --> 00:05:00.449 That's good. 00:05:00.449 --> 00:05:02.504 So let's see. 00:05:02.504 --> 00:05:03.983 I want to. 00:05:04.002 --> 00:05:10.629 Before we get too far, I want to get caught up on a couple things, and first, I am a very bad person. 00:05:10.629 --> 00:05:23.314 I have not been checking our Apple reviews in forever, and I was looking the other night and I noticed there's one that I missed from October. 00:05:23.314 --> 00:05:28.992 So Dustin Stoll, who left us a five-star review on Apple Podcasts. 00:05:28.992 --> 00:05:32.428 He wrote HR conversations to make the world go round. 00:05:32.428 --> 00:05:36.321 I need to do research on podcasts for my marketing class. 00:05:36.321 --> 00:05:38.245 I came across this during my research. 00:05:38.245 --> 00:05:42.134 I find this podcast informational and educational. 00:05:42.134 --> 00:05:53.387 This is precisely what I need as an HR major to become as a HR major, because, after working in the field for a while, I am jaded, so it helped me very much. 00:05:54.663 --> 00:05:57.471 So, dustin, sorry it took us so long to read your review. 00:05:57.471 --> 00:06:02.339 I I'm going to try and read the reviews much more frequently. 00:06:02.339 --> 00:06:12.946 So if you'd like to give us a review on any of the platforms, especially Apple's that helps us grow, go ahead and do so and we'll read it on the air. 00:06:12.946 --> 00:06:22.004 So yeah, I'm just so sorry I missed that that review but also it's time for me to to eat a little crow. 00:06:22.004 --> 00:06:30.310 In the last episode about the Ohio State Disappointed I apparently spread some misinformation. 00:06:30.310 --> 00:06:33.959 I even said in the episode I didn't read the whole article. 00:06:33.959 --> 00:06:41.535 I have the TLDR type of mindset ADD TLDR, it doesn't matter. 00:06:41.535 --> 00:06:46.783 So apparently the Ohio State University employees did not get their second increase. 00:06:46.783 --> 00:07:03.112 They got the first increase back in July, but they were informed that they would be getting this second one, so they didn't actually get it, but it still doesn't change the fact that they got screwed in the process and my feelings still remain the same. 00:07:03.492 --> 00:07:08.891 You tell me I'm getting an increase and then you take it away from me because you don't have to give it to me anymore. 00:07:08.891 --> 00:07:11.565 No, sorry, still still going to leave you. 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:17.620 I don't believe anything until it happens, especially with pay and promotions. 00:07:17.620 --> 00:07:21.610 You can tell me until you're blue in the face that something is coming. 00:07:21.610 --> 00:07:23.285 Something is coming. 00:07:23.285 --> 00:07:25.702 Face that something is coming, something is coming. 00:07:25.702 --> 00:07:27.687 But I feel like I've been around the block one too many times. 00:07:27.687 --> 00:07:31.454 To know that something is coming is squat until it actually happens. 00:07:34.343 --> 00:07:43.228 Yeah, in my company we had like five or six people that this would have applied to and we had a game plan in place what we're going to do for each of them. 00:07:43.228 --> 00:07:52.541 Some would get the bump to remain exempt and others would get their normal annual increase at the beginning of the year and then just go to non-exempt. 00:07:52.541 --> 00:07:54.487 And we, we had a game plan for everybody. 00:07:54.487 --> 00:08:02.567 And, uh, even the week before this happened, we said, okay, it looks like the nothing's gonna happen to stop this from happening. 00:08:02.567 --> 00:08:08.543 So we'll, uh, uh and we're like, okay, fine, and of course it does happen. 00:08:08.543 --> 00:08:17.887 So, uh, you know, even if you have thousands of employees like ohio state, you don't have to take immediate action all the time you can. 00:08:17.887 --> 00:08:19.512 You can figure this out. 00:08:19.512 --> 00:08:29.579 I don't know, but I still think that I still think from what I know and didn't read everything, I still think the situation seemed to be handled pretty poorly. 00:08:29.579 --> 00:08:34.552 So I did want to put it out there that I had spread some misinformation apparently. 00:08:34.552 --> 00:08:38.892 So I halfway read another article which set me straight. 00:08:40.501 --> 00:08:46.447 Well, thank you for the clarification, but it doesn't change our final verdict as shitty. 00:08:48.510 --> 00:08:49.633 Exactly, I like it. 00:08:49.633 --> 00:08:50.794 I like it. 00:08:50.794 --> 00:08:54.826 So we've been teasing for well. 00:08:54.826 --> 00:09:05.373 Actually, before we get there, wanted to wrap up the must listen to podcast list that we, you know, we had Mike Coffey from Good Morning HR. 00:09:05.373 --> 00:09:07.682 We had the game from Corporate Pizza Party. 00:09:07.682 --> 00:09:09.967 We had Jamie from HR Besties. 00:09:09.967 --> 00:09:13.134 I was trying to get two others. 00:09:13.134 --> 00:09:20.783 I'll go ahead and say that I was trying to get Kyle from Rebel HR and also Eileen and Glenda from Serping Corporate. 00:09:20.783 --> 00:09:27.644 My schedule just went sideways and it just became harder for me to try and get those schedule. 00:09:27.644 --> 00:09:34.001 But those other podcasts are definitely in our must listen to HR podcast lists as well. 00:09:34.142 --> 00:09:45.265 But oh well, speaking of must listen to podcasts, we got ranked for 2025 by Buzzfeed, which is absolute garbage, but it's still. 00:09:45.265 --> 00:09:51.403 It's still, yeah, the 20 number 21 must listen to a hr podcast. 00:09:51.403 --> 00:09:57.181 I don't know what we were last year, but we're 21 this year out out of I don't know how many there are. 00:09:57.181 --> 00:09:59.985 There's 22. 00:09:59.985 --> 00:10:05.095 There's only 20, but we got 21 on that list. 00:10:05.095 --> 00:10:08.546 Yeah, it's garbage. 00:10:08.546 --> 00:10:09.769 Buzzfeed sucks. 00:10:09.769 --> 00:10:13.639 They list some podcasts which aren't in publication anymore. 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:23.490 I think one of the years we were listed on it, it even gave it even gave completely wrong names of the hosts. 00:10:23.490 --> 00:10:28.511 I don't know if it was me and Feathers at the time, but it didn't have either of our names correct. 00:10:28.511 --> 00:10:30.989 But this time our names were at least correct on it. 00:10:30.989 --> 00:10:34.720 So yay to that, for what that is worth. 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:43.948 It basically sets you up for marketing, because they're trying to sell your contact information and it's very blatant, so I'll put the link in the show notes. 00:10:44.179 --> 00:10:46.525 A win is a win, man yeah. 00:10:48.630 --> 00:10:49.052 Excuse me. 00:10:49.220 --> 00:10:49.964 After 2024,. 00:10:49.964 --> 00:10:50.687 I'll take any win. 00:10:52.297 --> 00:10:56.691 Yeah, yeah, For me 2024 wasn't that bad looking back. 00:10:56.691 --> 00:11:02.332 I mean, you know it wasn't a 2020 or anything like that. 00:11:02.332 --> 00:11:09.807 I think we're done with with those type of things, hopefully yeah, I can be honest like 2024. 00:11:10.149 --> 00:11:14.340 Aside from like the weird stuff, things in my life were pretty awesome. 00:11:14.340 --> 00:11:16.323 I mean I had a baby like hello. 00:11:16.323 --> 00:11:17.145 I mean that's pretty. 00:11:17.145 --> 00:11:19.431 Yeah, like I can't top that. 00:11:19.431 --> 00:11:25.548 So, yeah, like I'm no, yeah, like I I get cynical but at the same time life is good. 00:11:25.548 --> 00:11:26.571 I can't really complain. 00:11:28.192 --> 00:11:33.552 No, no, and you know, even professionally, I have a hard time complaining. 00:11:33.552 --> 00:11:46.635 You know I'm not getting as much ammunition for a jaded show for my own work experiences as I used to get when I first dreamed up the jaded HR concept and things like that. 00:11:46.635 --> 00:11:52.272 So it's a little bit different than having to rely on some of the news sources. 00:11:52.272 --> 00:12:00.543 And actually, speaking of which, two things we didn't do in 2024 and one will never come back is I don't think it'll ever come back. 00:12:00.543 --> 00:12:02.870 We didn't do the holiday song. 00:12:02.870 --> 00:12:09.246 I think y'all have suffered enough with my singing for the first three years of doing that. 00:12:09.366 --> 00:12:15.145 But we didn't talk about John Hyman's end of the year list of worst employers and you know what? 00:12:15.145 --> 00:12:25.976 I don't know whether to be happy or sad, but the contenders there were no teenagers killed or anything like that. 00:12:25.976 --> 00:12:27.605 I hate to say it that way. 00:12:27.605 --> 00:12:30.750 There were no god-awful ones out there. 00:12:30.750 --> 00:12:31.745 There were some bad ones. 00:12:31.745 --> 00:12:33.596 So it was interesting. 00:12:33.596 --> 00:12:38.873 But I did see he already has his first contender for 2025. 00:12:38.873 --> 00:12:40.807 I saw earlier today. 00:12:40.807 --> 00:12:49.206 I don't know when it was posted, but hey, we're only a week in, so somebody's doing something out there to try and make the list for 25. 00:12:49.206 --> 00:12:52.854 So yeah, so, fun stuff. 00:12:54.561 --> 00:13:05.230 Well, now, I think, would be a good time for you to introduce to everybody what we've been teasing for a month or two about what our new segment's going to be. 00:13:05.230 --> 00:13:06.393 So take it away. 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:19.283 Yeah, so I am a huge pop culture workplace comedy connoisseur and it's always, I think this is kind of a passion project of both of ours. 00:13:19.283 --> 00:13:34.952 But we'll be having a segment that's basically HR lessons from pop culture and, specifically, we're going to be focusing on the greatest television show to ever grace our presence, which is the Office. 00:13:34.952 --> 00:13:51.668 So Warren and I are going to be picking select episodes the classics if you will and we'll be dissecting them, but then looking at them from an HR lens and see what they got right and what they kind of got very, very wrong. 00:13:51.668 --> 00:13:55.344 But yeah, so we're going to start off with the Office. 00:13:55.344 --> 00:14:05.450 We might, you know, go into other shows, like maybe Parks and Recreation or other movies like Office Space or stuff like that. 00:14:05.450 --> 00:14:08.043 So we're also open to suggestions. 00:14:08.043 --> 00:14:14.384 So you let us know what you want to hear as well, or like what you'd like us to dissect from that HR lens. 00:14:14.384 --> 00:14:20.260 But yeah, like we're going down the like I said, it's pop culture through the lens of HR. 00:14:22.302 --> 00:14:25.004 I think that is just such an awesome idea. 00:14:25.004 --> 00:14:26.245 I'm glad you brought it up. 00:14:26.245 --> 00:14:33.351 If you, dear listener, have suggestions, the show notes have two ways to easily get in touch with us. 00:14:33.351 --> 00:14:39.837 One is a link that just says send us a text and that's one-way communication. 00:14:39.837 --> 00:14:48.311 And when you hit that button, the your text app will open on your phone and it'll have like six digits as your first number. 00:14:48.311 --> 00:14:53.525 Don't delete those, because I'll never get it if you don't, because that's how the hosting provider sorts. 00:14:53.525 --> 00:14:56.351 That six digit is our jaded hr code. 00:14:56.351 --> 00:14:59.543 It knows to send it to us versus any of their other shows. 00:14:59.543 --> 00:15:01.044 So you can send us that way. 00:15:01.466 --> 00:15:08.275 Plus, there's a 252 number in the show notes as well, a phone number you can just call. 00:15:08.275 --> 00:15:09.804 You can leave us a voicemail. 00:15:09.804 --> 00:15:10.668 It doesn't ring. 00:15:10.668 --> 00:15:12.004 It's a Google voice number. 00:15:12.004 --> 00:15:13.470 It doesn't ring anywhere. 00:15:13.470 --> 00:15:19.373 I get a voicemail when someone leaves a voice message, but you could send a text or voice message there. 00:15:19.373 --> 00:15:22.722 And yeah, that's two ways you can send suggestions. 00:15:22.722 --> 00:15:33.916 You have maybe a favorite episode of the Office or maybe there's another show that you think needs to be discussed that has a great HR influence with it. 00:15:33.916 --> 00:15:41.493 A Big Bang Theory comes to mind, because they always seem to be ending up in Regina King's office as their HR manager. 00:15:41.533 --> 00:15:45.509 Oh, that's right At some point or another. 00:15:45.509 --> 00:15:48.489 So, yeah, so it's funny. 00:15:48.489 --> 00:15:51.009 There are some things we can pull out of there. 00:15:51.009 --> 00:16:00.688 And, yeah, any workplace comedies that you can think of or maybe they're not comedies, maybe they're dramas, I don't know, I watch mainly comedy. 00:16:00.688 --> 00:16:03.168 So, yeah, I'm really looking forward to this. 00:16:03.168 --> 00:16:09.942 I think what we'll do is the, so the, these episodes, the rewatch, if you will. 00:16:09.942 --> 00:16:19.567 Episodes are going to be the third episode of each month, so this one is going to launch approximately january 30th. 00:16:19.567 --> 00:16:27.988 Uh, so, uh, uh, we'll do our regular recording session every two weeks and then this will be a special one. 00:16:27.988 --> 00:16:31.669 And if you have an idea for what would be a good idea, let us know. 00:16:32.081 --> 00:16:36.730 If you're a member of Patreon, I let our Patreon community know ahead of time. 00:16:36.730 --> 00:16:38.614 They're special, they're special. 00:16:38.614 --> 00:16:43.227 So they got to know this about two weeks ago and Hallie gave it a big heart. 00:16:43.227 --> 00:16:47.240 And then Bill says awesome, looking forward to it and a new year. 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:55.625 So, yeah, if you, if you join us on Patreon, patreon has this new feature where you can chat with us and it's two way 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we're almost at five years Wow, crazy. 00:17:45.005 --> 00:17:49.282 But yeah, this will be something good, this will be something fun. 00:17:49.282 --> 00:17:51.027 I'm really looking forward to it. 00:17:51.027 --> 00:17:56.845 So, yay, I'm trying to think of anything happening in I I. 00:17:56.845 --> 00:17:58.628 I am not prepared. 00:17:58.690 --> 00:17:59.991 I did not do any homework. 00:17:59.991 --> 00:18:07.032 Obviously, I was telling you off the air that I've been talking for months, months, about my son and his search for an internship. 00:18:07.032 --> 00:18:10.730 Well, he's got his very first ever interview tomorrow. 00:18:10.730 --> 00:18:13.808 So by the time this airs, you know it'll be over. 00:18:13.808 --> 00:18:21.500 I doubt he'll have an answer or not, but he's got an internship interview tomorrow with a company in Fargo, north Dakota. 00:18:21.500 --> 00:18:25.732 So I looked at the stats to see in Fargo, north Dakota. 00:18:25.732 --> 00:18:29.875 So I looked at the stats to see we do have probably a single listener in Fargo, north Dakota. 00:18:29.875 --> 00:18:30.259 How many Fargo? 00:18:30.259 --> 00:18:31.786 I don't know how many episodes. 00:18:31.786 --> 00:18:35.428 Yeah, yeah, I just told them to stay away from the wood chippers. 00:18:36.567 --> 00:18:42.105 I just pictured like this one person listening to our podcast at their desk and they're just like me, me. 00:18:45.144 --> 00:18:46.145 Yeah, we have. 00:18:46.145 --> 00:18:51.229 They haven't listened to all the episodes, but yeah, I just looked up and we have. 00:18:51.229 --> 00:18:55.310 We have a listener who's listened to a few dozen episodes up in Fargo. 00:18:56.020 --> 00:18:56.383 Well, listen, fargo. 00:18:56.383 --> 00:18:57.528 We have a back catalog. 00:18:57.528 --> 00:18:58.684 You can listen to all of them. 00:19:00.380 --> 00:19:02.028 Exactly, exactly. 00:19:02.028 --> 00:19:04.127 So yeah, I'm really excited about that. 00:19:04.127 --> 00:19:10.625 We I've been doing practice interviews with him to the point where he's just completely annoyed with me. 00:19:10.625 --> 00:19:20.413 And you know, he's a senior in college, he's never even had a job interview before or anything like that, so it's going to be interesting. 00:19:20.413 --> 00:19:23.335 So I'm excited for him. 00:19:23.335 --> 00:19:24.395 I hope he's excited. 00:19:24.395 --> 00:19:26.557 I hope it goes well, so yay. 00:19:26.940 --> 00:19:27.722 I'm sure it will. 00:19:27.722 --> 00:19:29.529 The first interview is always nerve wracking. 00:19:31.140 --> 00:19:41.825 Yeah, yeah, and you know if, if he doesn't get it, I mean it'll suck, but it's a good interview experience and you know it is in Fargo. 00:19:41.825 --> 00:19:44.728 You know he, he is very interested in going to Fargo. 00:19:44.728 --> 00:19:52.176 So Every time we look to apply for a job, there's been, you know there's been places no, we're not going to go there or anything like that. 00:19:52.176 --> 00:19:57.932 But when he saw this one and wanted to apply, I'm like, okay, yeah, we can, you know, check it out and give it a shot. 00:19:57.932 --> 00:20:02.349 And so this is so far the only positive response he's gotten. 00:20:02.349 --> 00:20:09.065 But if know, anybody hiring a geography gis intern for summer 2025, let me know. 00:20:09.065 --> 00:20:10.848 So, yeah, that's gonna be. 00:20:10.929 --> 00:20:29.944 It's gonna be fun seeing the world through his eyes yeah, things like that so oh, just think, in like 18 years I'll be hopefully sending mine off to college and then maybe that helping her get her new job and then her being like oh mom god, leave me alone. 00:20:29.964 --> 00:20:38.107 That's not how they do it, leave me alone, mom that's not how they do it now okay, see, the thing is with my daughter. 00:20:38.709 --> 00:20:41.653 She was much more open to my suggestions. 00:20:41.653 --> 00:20:45.429 Maybe she's just nicer and sweeter and won't tell me to go F myself. 00:20:45.429 --> 00:20:48.345 My son is very prone to leave me alone. 00:20:48.345 --> 00:20:49.748 Dad, get away, I'm tired. 00:20:49.748 --> 00:20:51.692 Okay, you've had your fun. 00:20:51.692 --> 00:20:54.443 I played your little interviewing game with you. 00:20:54.443 --> 00:20:55.666 Let's, let's move on. 00:20:55.666 --> 00:21:02.768 But my daughter was more into it and things like that, and so, yes, that'll be. 00:21:02.768 --> 00:21:05.834 That'll be interesting to see how that. 00:21:05.834 --> 00:21:10.403 But the world of HR, what has happened since the new year? 00:21:10.403 --> 00:21:11.828 I can't, really I can't. 00:21:13.101 --> 00:21:27.883 The only thing I can think of is, like, personally in my world, it's just, we are in talent calibrations and I know a lot of companies are going through performance reviews right now, or at least doing their annual evaluations. 00:21:27.883 --> 00:21:30.765 So so, yeah, like best of luck to you all. 00:21:30.765 --> 00:21:39.673 I'm very fortunate to have a bunch of really great HR, like an HR business partner team that supports it. 00:21:39.673 --> 00:21:50.971 So, yeah, we're on schedule, we're on time and people will be getting their reviews in a couple weeks and I am excited, I'm glad that we can close the 2024 chapter down. 00:21:50.971 --> 00:21:55.692 And then, like this is how crazy the year is for performance management. 00:21:55.692 --> 00:22:17.546 It's like we're not even done with talent calibrations, let alone going into performance discussions, and I had to have a kickoff meeting today about goal setting, because right after annual goal setting, like it just you know, it's just the wheel, it just keeps going and it's already like I'm already planning for February and I'm not even seven days into January. 00:22:18.869 --> 00:22:19.050 Yep. 00:22:19.050 --> 00:22:23.569 Well, we're at the tail end, we're wrapping up. 00:22:23.569 --> 00:22:28.164 All our performance reviews have been done, completed, most have been signed. 00:22:28.164 --> 00:22:40.140 Employees are dragging their feet about signing and you know the salary increases that were proposed went into effect January 4th for everybody, so that's really exciting. 00:22:40.220 --> 00:22:56.732 So, what I'm waiting for, though, is because I guarantee and I can name the managers who didn't do a good job January, let's say 10th, we get paid, but that is the last pay of 2024. 00:22:56.732 --> 00:22:57.595 And you're raising. 00:22:57.595 --> 00:23:02.886 I'm already bracing myself for a dozen phone calls or more. 00:23:02.886 --> 00:23:09.949 On the 10th, my raise wasn't in my check, and I can tell you the managers that weren't clear to let them know oh, this is a. 00:23:09.949 --> 00:23:10.971 You'll see this. 00:23:10.971 --> 00:23:12.544 It's effective January 4th. 00:23:12.544 --> 00:23:15.714 You will see it on your January 24th check. 00:23:15.714 --> 00:23:19.384 I so I'm already bracing myself for that. 00:23:19.384 --> 00:23:29.670 Uh, and you know that's not the employee's fault, that's a manager fault who, like I said, 90% of the people who call for that question are going to be. 00:23:29.670 --> 00:23:35.531 It's going to be because the manager didn't do their job effectively, and the employee just doesn't know. 00:23:35.531 --> 00:23:41.553 And then the 10% weren't listening, or, when their manager did, tell them it was the effective date. 00:23:41.573 --> 00:23:45.903 So, yeah, it's going to be good, but I'm already starting. 00:23:45.903 --> 00:23:56.272 You know, as soon as I launch my review process, I create a document in the postmortem, I call it for the reviews and I write down things that could be done better. 00:23:56.272 --> 00:24:09.086 We need change for next year, and I'm going to be going over that later with my assistant, and Thursday we have our, our, our meeting, our kickoff meeting for 1095s with our our provider on that. 00:24:09.086 --> 00:24:18.227 So, yay, a lot of fun, uh, there, and yeah, it is so cyclical and there's so much going on right now. 00:24:18.227 --> 00:24:31.672 You know it was nice that, like the, the last week of, you know, december, the first week, week of January were somewhat slower overall, but now it's like we're got to get right back in the saddle because here it comes again. 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:43.634 Yeah, I went through that weird space in time where it was like between Christmas and New Year's and it was just, I think we were all in this temporal time warp of just insanity. 00:24:43.634 --> 00:24:47.872 And now it's like coming back and you have to, like you know, start running a new marathon. 00:24:47.872 --> 00:24:55.213 It was this week's been a little you know, just catching up on the emails, just getting my ass kicked a little bit with all the things I need to do. 00:24:57.141 --> 00:25:03.868 Yeah, yeah, it's you know, but I'm looking forward to 2025. 00:25:03.868 --> 00:25:06.291 I think that you know. 00:25:06.291 --> 00:25:09.182 Even the title of the show is jaded hr. 00:25:09.182 --> 00:25:12.348 I'm I'm really optimistic, I'm looking forward to it. 00:25:12.348 --> 00:25:15.863 I I think that it's going to be a good year. 00:25:15.962 --> 00:25:18.586 So yeah, oh, I don't think I told you this um. 00:25:18.586 --> 00:25:23.753 2025 is going to be a fantastic year, because it is the year I turn 40. 00:25:27.277 --> 00:25:27.377 40. 00:25:27.377 --> 00:25:28.182 40. 00:25:28.182 --> 00:25:32.045 Yes. 00:25:33.008 --> 00:25:34.251 I have mixed feelings about it. 00:25:34.251 --> 00:25:41.548 It's fine, it's fun, it's a new era, it'll be good, but I'm kind of excited about there you go 2025. 00:25:41.548 --> 00:25:45.505 The year I turn into a real adult 40. 00:25:46.027 --> 00:25:46.729 A real adult. 00:25:46.729 --> 00:25:49.163 Oh, congrats. 00:25:49.723 --> 00:25:53.391 Thank you, congratulations on that, yeah, yeah. 00:25:53.590 --> 00:25:59.910 Does that officially make you an elder millennial or are you like in the sweet spot of millennials? 00:25:59.910 --> 00:26:02.442 Where does that fall in the millennial spectrum? 00:26:02.603 --> 00:26:11.398 Oh, I've always been elder, because I think the cutoff is 82, so I've always been elder with that elder meant millennials. 00:26:11.398 --> 00:26:21.482 Okay, yeah, so yeah I am, I am, I am your elder I millennials, uh or z's or whoever come, come talk to me, I am. 00:26:21.482 --> 00:26:24.912 I'll tell you about the days before social media. 00:26:26.882 --> 00:26:28.047 Yeah, exactly. 00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:29.645 And what an AOL room was. 00:26:31.701 --> 00:27:05.872 Ooh, hey, okay, Fun fact, I in 99-ish I hired the first developer for the Mac version of AOL Instant Messenger for AOL and then, because he was the program manager for it, he ended up knowing all these other people could do Mac development and I ended up hiring majority of the team for the very first version of maybe it was 98 for AOL Instant Messenger. 00:27:05.872 --> 00:27:07.534 That was something really cool. 00:27:08.034 --> 00:27:28.380 Going to the AOL I've never seen a business campus before in that realm and going to see campus- oh, I miss the campus it was so much like a collegiate campus kids running around in backpacks and even on skateboards and stuff among the various buildings. 00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:58.268 But when you got into a coding area, imagine a large building where when you get off the elevators other than the elevators and the restrooms and the pillars holding it up you can see the entire floor of the building from there and all you hear is the click, click, click, click of keyboards and you know the lights are not turned on in the building and some people have lamps and other things and it was just so weird going in. 00:27:58.268 --> 00:28:00.692 I've never seen that type of environment before. 00:28:00.692 --> 00:28:13.240 I actually happened to be on the AOL campus in Ashburn, virginia, the day someone dumped off like three dump trucks full of those AOL discs you used to get all the time. 00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:16.351 Someone collected them and sent them back to them. 00:28:16.351 --> 00:28:17.433 I have to be there. 00:28:17.433 --> 00:28:25.493 Like the day or day after that got delivered, I got to see the piles of AOL discs that somebody had done there, that was pretty cool. 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:32.973 So yeah, the 90s in Northern Virginia, the IT boom was really really cool. 00:28:33.821 --> 00:28:36.846 And now when I see somebody who's still, did you work for AOL? 00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:44.536 No, we were a contractor, a third-party recruiting firm, and they were one of our clients. 00:28:44.675 --> 00:28:45.337 Oh, that's awesome. 00:28:45.337 --> 00:28:54.227 I want to point out the fact that you hired the team that basically created AOL Instant Messenger, and I feel like you need some credit. 00:28:54.428 --> 00:28:54.729 Or Mac. 00:28:54.729 --> 00:28:57.446 They already had it for PC. 00:28:57.888 --> 00:28:58.611 Or PC for Mac. 00:28:58.611 --> 00:29:08.894 So I feel like some credit should go to you, because Butterfly Effect if there was some bad selections it wouldn't have worked. 00:29:08.894 --> 00:29:12.387 So I thank your recruiter, that's all I'm saying. 00:29:13.592 --> 00:29:16.188 Yep, that was my recruiting gig. 00:29:16.188 --> 00:29:17.464 It was so funny back then. 00:29:17.464 --> 00:29:26.700 The companies we work for and where they are now like AOL was one of our clients, but like MCI WorldCom, which doesn't exist anymore. 00:29:26.700 --> 00:29:34.208 Remember, when you had telecommunications and you had to pay for long distance and shit like that, mci WorldCom was one of my clients. 00:29:34.208 --> 00:29:35.522 I'm just trying to think of. 00:29:36.044 --> 00:29:41.548 The only client that I think is still around and doing very, very well is MicroStrategy. 00:29:41.548 --> 00:29:41.980 They were. 00:29:41.980 --> 00:29:44.106 We were in Tyson's Corner, virginia. 00:29:44.106 --> 00:29:46.463 They were literally around the corner. 00:29:46.463 --> 00:29:48.209 We used to call it the shopping bag building. 00:29:48.209 --> 00:29:57.586 If you've ever been to Tyson's Corner, that's where MicroStrategy was, at least in the 90s, and now they're killing it with the whole Bitcoin thing. 00:29:57.586 --> 00:30:03.260 So, yeah, if I bought some stock in the 90s from them, I'd be retired now probably. 00:30:03.320 --> 00:30:11.674 But yeah, it's so interesting to think of the clients I work with and how, in the telecom industry, none of them are around anymore. 00:30:11.674 --> 00:30:14.832 Aol is a shadow of what they used to be. 00:30:14.832 --> 00:30:16.319 Microstrategy is still around. 00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:22.632 I can't think of any other clients I service with IT and people with government. 00:30:22.632 --> 00:30:23.554 We had some government. 00:30:23.554 --> 00:30:29.865 We placed some people like north of Grumman and places like that, but so they're still around. 00:30:29.865 --> 00:30:36.748 But yeah, it was really weird, really really cool, really different and, yeah, fun stuff. 00:30:36.748 --> 00:30:41.150 Back then Shoot it was technical recruiting, then was shooting fish in a barrel. 00:30:41.150 --> 00:30:48.269 I couldn't believe I was getting paid to do that and paid well and making commission and all that. 00:30:48.269 --> 00:30:48.890 It was a fun time. 00:30:52.122 --> 00:30:52.865 That's awesome. 00:30:54.221 --> 00:30:55.006 Late 90s. 00:30:56.101 --> 00:31:04.635 I also want to point out I think probably late 90s, early 2000s was probably the prime time for a corporate campus. 00:31:04.635 --> 00:31:11.990 I worked on a corporate campus before everything just basically got dismantled because of the way it is now. 00:31:11.990 --> 00:31:32.192 But like, I love a campus and I like, if you give me a good camp, so where I worked, like I worked for the home office of Luxottica and at and like it's here in Cincinnati, and one of the like, the really cool things is like we had an on-site gym. 00:31:32.192 --> 00:31:37.571 We had what was it people service that would come pick up your clothes and drop it off the next day. 00:31:37.571 --> 00:31:43.952 We had a cafeteria and like I think the company put stipends into it to basically lower the cost for us. 00:31:43.952 --> 00:31:45.506 You could have like a really cheap lunch. 00:31:45.506 --> 00:31:47.768 That was really like, honestly, it was really decent. 00:31:47.768 --> 00:32:00.655 There was walking trails, there was, I mean, there is like all this stuff that I'm like I'm so nostalgic for because it created such a really fun culture. 00:32:00.740 --> 00:32:02.708 I think we talked about this before on the podcast. 00:32:02.708 --> 00:32:05.846 Like I work with people who are in my wedding. 00:32:05.846 --> 00:32:08.190 I was in people's, my coworkers' weddings. 00:32:08.190 --> 00:32:19.070 It was just such a fun time and I'm not sure if it's the campus or just the nostalgia of being early career amongst a bunch of other people who are early career like you. 00:32:19.070 --> 00:32:20.297 I can't put my finger on it. 00:32:20.297 --> 00:32:24.971 Maybe it was a little bit of both, but I miss the campus and I will die on it. 00:32:24.971 --> 00:32:25.701 Hell, no, don't tell me. 00:32:25.701 --> 00:32:28.609 I have to come to that campus every single day and I can never be late. 00:32:28.609 --> 00:32:30.224 Like then we're going to have problems. 00:32:30.224 --> 00:32:35.590 I will beat you up, like, but I would love a campus that I can go to. 00:32:37.700 --> 00:32:42.290 My wife's company has a campus and it is. 00:32:42.290 --> 00:32:44.275 It used to be really cool. 00:32:44.275 --> 00:32:45.096 They did the same thing. 00:32:45.096 --> 00:32:46.520 They had a employee gym. 00:32:46.520 --> 00:32:52.599 My wife broke her leg in the employee gym there and but they they had a cafeteria. 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:58.690 At first the food was free and then they made it like $3. 00:32:58.690 --> 00:33:09.686 So $3 and their food was good and they would even have like seafood days where they would have things like shrimp for $3 and their food was good and they would even have like seafood days where they would have things like shrimp for $3 and shrimp and fish and it was really good. 00:33:09.686 --> 00:33:12.670 They had a hotel on their campus. 00:33:12.670 --> 00:33:17.531 They still do have a hotel, I should say, on their campus for visitors and things like that. 00:33:17.531 --> 00:33:21.309 They do training there, among other things. 00:33:21.309 --> 00:33:27.404 They actually have their own airport on their campus, so it's a really, really cool thing. 00:33:27.825 --> 00:33:44.182 But now she goes to the office every other week for one day and she's not even there for the full day, unless she absolutely has to or she decides I'm going to hang out and talk with the other people that are here, because she's not required to be there. 00:33:44.182 --> 00:33:51.314 She's actually removed all of her personal belongings out of her office, so her office looks pretty vacant now. 00:33:51.314 --> 00:34:00.971 And then she says sometimes it makes me feel sad, but sometimes I'm like eh, don't care when she goes to her office and it's completely empty, like it's not even hers anymore. 00:34:00.971 --> 00:34:19.199 So, yeah, I've never worked in that environment, but I think it would be a mix of being a young professional and having all those amenities right there for you, like a gym, go out to lunch with your friends, or maybe you've been just going to go get a snack. 00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:22.570 Hey, let's, let's go get a parfait or something like that. 00:34:22.570 --> 00:34:26.887 You know, let's take five, go get a parfait, snacks, pancakes, whatever. 00:34:27.601 --> 00:34:39.987 I think that there is something to being in that 20, the early 30-something and working with a bunch of other 20 to 30-somethings in that type of environment. 00:34:39.987 --> 00:34:42.528 I think it would be pretty darn awesome. 00:34:42.528 --> 00:34:50.141 Like I said, I never worked on a campus, but I can just see it and know what other people have experienced, heard what other people experienced. 00:34:50.141 --> 00:34:53.449 I think that would be pretty cool stuff. 00:34:53.449 --> 00:34:56.603 But yeah, I don't know how much you have that anymore. 00:34:56.682 --> 00:34:58.588 Yeah, it's not there. 00:34:58.588 --> 00:34:59.251 But you know what? 00:34:59.251 --> 00:35:01.376 Everything it's like a pendulum. 00:35:01.376 --> 00:35:06.505 Everything swings in one way to the extreme and then it swings back into the other way. 00:35:06.505 --> 00:35:09.056 I wouldn't be surprised in like 10 years. 00:35:09.056 --> 00:35:17.360 There's a resurgence of like returning to the office full time or something, because whatever, um, I don't know, I don't know. 00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:19.407 I I kind of see something coming back. 00:35:19.407 --> 00:35:24.206 I don't think it's gonna be this remote forever unless you take a remote job. 00:35:24.206 --> 00:35:45.036 I think people hunger for it honestly, because I think we're just a social humans are social beings so there's only going to be so much that people can take from video interactions that I think we're going to see some amount of need and want from the employee to have that physical connectedness again. 00:35:45.036 --> 00:35:47.706 So I could be wrong, but that's what I predict. 00:35:49.371 --> 00:35:51.445 I agree, I absolutely agree. 00:35:51.445 --> 00:35:54.971 I voluntarily have given up my work from home day. 00:35:54.971 --> 00:36:02.592 I can still do it if I want, but by the time, you know, for my, I was only doing, I was allowed to do it up to two days a week. 00:36:02.592 --> 00:36:03.985 I only did it once. 00:36:03.985 --> 00:36:07.380 For my, I was only doing, I was allowed to do it up to two days a week, I only did it once. 00:36:07.380 --> 00:36:14.456 And just you know, first were problems packing up the computer, remembering the charge, or both leaving office and coming going back to the office and having to charge her. 00:36:14.818 --> 00:36:33.101 You know, doing this it was and I feel so much more productive in the office and I like I like the interaction with the people and half my day is people coming into my office and I like I like the interaction with the people and half my day is people coming into my office and needing a question answered or having a problem that I can solve, or something like that. 00:36:33.101 --> 00:36:39.483 And when I'm not in the office, they're not calling me, they're not chatting me, they're, they're not doing those things as I. 00:36:39.483 --> 00:36:44.266 Where we work, it's just hey, I'm going, hey, warren, can I come in and ask you a quick question? 00:36:44.266 --> 00:36:45.983 And that's how it works. 00:36:45.983 --> 00:37:02.561 And so I decided, you know, when it's slow and I'm working remote, it's almost painful, whereas if it's slow and I'm in the office, hey, I can chit chat with somebody. 00:37:02.561 --> 00:37:11.791 I've got other things to do or, you know, I'll be there for that person who has that one-off question or something like that. 00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:21.922 So I, like I said, I voluntarily gave up my work from home and actually this is my first time in my office recording this. 00:37:21.922 --> 00:37:22.865 Since what? 00:37:22.865 --> 00:37:28.539 A month ago, when we last recorded an episode I've not been up here for for anything. 00:37:28.539 --> 00:37:29.440 So actually I had. 00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:37.635 I came up a half hour before and turned the heat on, because the heat hasn't been on up on the side of the house, because I don't, I don't use it. 00:37:37.635 --> 00:37:39.083 So, yeah, I wanted to. 00:37:39.083 --> 00:37:45.755 It's just different, it's just, it's just different, it's just different. 00:37:45.755 --> 00:38:00.291 So, yeah, yeah, social interaction is. 00:38:00.291 --> 00:38:06.356 I still have friends with people I work with at that IT company in Northern Virginia in the 90s. 00:38:06.356 --> 00:38:12.300 I'm still friends with a couple of people from there and it's a different environment. 00:38:12.300 --> 00:38:26.389 I don't think you can have that interaction, that camaraderie, working remote, because I think the the people there and at other places I've worked have been what makes it, you know, special, if you will. 00:38:26.389 --> 00:38:27.972 Yeah, this is so unjaded. 00:38:29.094 --> 00:38:33.333 I know it's like Hallmark movie type thing, but no. 00:38:33.512 --> 00:38:40.911 I always think, also, like working remotely, if you're gonna do it a hundred percent of the time, I think it also depends on where you are in life. 00:38:40.911 --> 00:39:03.297 And I like, because I'm thinking like, okay, I think of myself when I was new to career and I didn't know, you know, aside from a couple internships, there are certain things you just don't know until you work in an office and you're actually on a payroll, a lot of those things being those special social things, and you know how you interact with people. 00:39:03.297 --> 00:39:19.476 I don't know if we, I don't know if we talked about it on here, but I forget the number but there's a lot of Gen Z getting terminated or fired because of a lack of performance or just inappropriate behaviors or stuff like that. 00:39:19.476 --> 00:39:31.561 And I'm like, or stuff like that, and I'm like, oh my God, some like I think working in an office, early career with people is so beneficial to you professionally. 00:39:31.561 --> 00:39:33.284 Um, yeah, like I think that's so necessary. 00:39:33.465 --> 00:39:37.673 But then, on the flip side, I'm like, I am so flippant. 00:39:37.693 --> 00:39:52.079 Thank you, like, thankful, and I'm going to say I w I was very privileged to be able to work from home while I was pregnant and one like and returning to work after having a baby and like that to me. 00:39:52.880 --> 00:40:17.757 I mean, I can't imagine what it would have been like to have to commute 35, 40 minutes every day, um, without you know the ability, like if I was had morning sickness I would have to pull over the side of the road and puke or all of like the weird things, all of the weird things a woman's body does while she's pregnant, like having to be in a conference room and like almost pee your pants or something like all those things. 00:40:17.757 --> 00:40:27.940 I'm so happy I was able to work from home, remotely, and I think there I think there's something to be said about meeting people where they are in a lot of the ways and giving them space to be flexible. 00:40:27.940 --> 00:40:37.675 Like if they need to work from home for a small season and they're still able to do their job and do it well, let them, if they want to come back to the office, create a space for them. 00:40:37.675 --> 00:40:41.494 Like I don't know, there's something to be said about being a little flexible. 00:40:43.945 --> 00:40:47.576 Absolutely, and I think that's the best thing. 00:40:47.576 --> 00:40:59.605 If you could have some sort of true hybrid hey, you're going to work from in the office Because, especially early career, you need some mentoring, you need some development, you need someone looking over your shoulder every once in a while. 00:40:59.605 --> 00:41:06.735 Hey, warren, instead of doing it this way, why don't you try it this way or something like that that you're not going to get remotely? 00:41:06.735 --> 00:41:14.255 And yeah, I understand the data's there that people are much more productive working from home. 00:41:14.255 --> 00:41:22.990 I know my wife says she's like does the job of two people now that she's working from home and she, she doesn't really mind that as much. 00:41:22.990 --> 00:41:26.699 But you, you know in her world it works well. 00:41:26.699 --> 00:41:30.184 For me it just didn't work out as well and I never got used to it. 00:41:30.184 --> 00:41:37.938 If I'd been doing it more than you know once a week or twice a week or something like that I probably would have adapted better. 00:41:37.938 --> 00:41:43.094 But I never really got the full adaptation to it and I was like, yeah, I could take it or leave it. 00:41:43.094 --> 00:41:54.518 But I think, yeah, younger professionals need that in their life and I'm really surprised they don't want it more because after, like, look at someone, my daughter's age, she's 23. 00:41:55.106 --> 00:42:02.402 She went through college, through all of COVID, and you know her college experience sucked. 00:42:02.402 --> 00:42:06.226 That's heartbreaking, you know not, not, not like you know mine. 00:42:06.226 --> 00:42:13.510 She went to East Carolina and she didn't have the same are like, yeah, I want to interact with people and things like that. 00:42:13.510 --> 00:42:49.675 I don't know, maybe these people interactions maybe will lead to retention, as I know, I've stayed at more than one job longer than I probably should have. 00:42:49.675 --> 00:42:51.139 Yeah, because I like the people. 00:42:51.139 --> 00:42:53.126 Yeah, uh, the job was mad. 00:42:53.126 --> 00:42:59.246 If it didn't suck, it was mad at best and but I like my, my co-workers, I like the people I was with. 00:42:59.246 --> 00:43:05.585 So, hey, what the hell, I'll stick around to be with them and yeah, so that's, I don't know. 00:43:05.585 --> 00:43:07.471 I think that's a good experience. 00:43:07.471 --> 00:43:08.092 Yeah, you have a. 00:43:08.092 --> 00:43:12.931 But if you even have a sucky job and you're with good people, that makes it all the. 00:43:12.931 --> 00:43:15.157 That makes all the difference as well. 00:43:16.286 --> 00:43:17.268 So no one can like. 00:43:17.268 --> 00:43:28.891 There's something about a bond between people who have a horrible work experience, whether or not it's the company or whether or not it's the boss they work for. 00:43:28.891 --> 00:43:38.458 And it's so funny because I have like I have some team members in my past who form our company and we still have like a chat going. 00:43:38.458 --> 00:43:45.594 I got what is it just like a text, like group, and we still, like at least once a week, are like active in there. 00:43:45.594 --> 00:43:50.641 I haven't worked with these people in years, but we all bonded over the fact that we had a nightmare boss. 00:43:50.641 --> 00:44:00.275 Oh yeah. 00:44:00.514 --> 00:44:01.576 And but there's more of you. 00:44:01.576 --> 00:44:05.400 Yeah, you might have a sucky boss, but there's more of you than them. 00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:09.617 And it's like, yeah, I think I've told the story before. 00:44:09.617 --> 00:44:16.085 I worked one place where the HR manager slash, director slash whatever the title of the day was they. 00:44:16.085 --> 00:44:18.684 I was there six years, I think. 00:44:18.684 --> 00:44:21.769 I had eight managers slash, directors, slash, whatever. 00:44:21.769 --> 00:44:23.753 I think I had eight managers slash, directors, slash, whatever. 00:44:23.753 --> 00:44:28.619 And after a little while I was just and I'm in my early 30s and I'm thinking, oh, let's see how long this person lasts. 00:44:28.619 --> 00:44:34.438 You know, I'll be here longer than they are, that type of thing. 00:44:34.438 --> 00:44:35.202 And it was interesting. 00:44:35.202 --> 00:44:55.320 You don't get those type of experiences without physically being at work, being at work, and how the hell these new hr people deal with all the, the, the poops, the poop happenings if their, their employees aren't I know they're, they're being robbed of a critical these people aren't able to clean up poop in a, in a bathroom. 00:44:55.380 --> 00:44:57.847 I mean, where are these stories going to come from one day? 00:44:57.847 --> 00:44:59.951 What you're going to tell? 00:44:59.951 --> 00:45:03.978 An old war story about a mean IM someone sent you Please. 00:45:07.347 --> 00:45:09.233 Oh yeah, so anyway. 00:45:09.233 --> 00:45:16.659 Well, even though we had no agenda going into today, I think we've gotten this one pretty far. 00:45:16.659 --> 00:45:19.170 Next week we will have an agenda. 00:45:19.170 --> 00:45:26.309 I'll do some homework I actually think I've a, an idea or two and then, of course, please listen to the episode. 00:45:26.309 --> 00:45:31.023 On the 30th we'll be re-watching the office, I think, next. 00:45:31.023 --> 00:45:34.231 Next time we'll even go into what episode we're going to talk about. 00:45:34.231 --> 00:45:39.934 So if you want to watch it, uh, ahead of time, before the episode drops, so you can become more familiar. 00:45:39.934 --> 00:45:45.016 I know that's what I'm going to be doing as we, as we plan our episodes. 00:45:45.224 --> 00:45:46.972 And please 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voice artist work in the intro, and the intro and outro music is Double, with the Double by the Underscore Orchestra, and so, with all that said, as always, I'm Warren. 00:47:19.894 --> 00:47:20.396 I'm Cece. 00:47:22.286 --> 00:47:24.054 And we're here helping you survive. 00:47:24.054 --> 00:47:24.797 Hr one. 00:47:24.797 --> 00:47:25.802 What the fuck moment. 00:47:25.802 --> 00:47:27.530 At a time you