1 00:00:49,216 --> 00:00:52,658 Speaker 1: Thank you, welcome to a very special not a very 2 00:00:52,698 --> 00:00:56,661 special blossom, but a very special episode of Jaded HR 3 00:00:56,701 --> 00:01:01,130 where we are looking, taking a look at HR through the eyes of 4 00:01:01,170 --> 00:01:01,831 pop culture. 5 00:01:01,831 --> 00:01:02,993 That's probably not what I want to say. 6 00:01:02,993 --> 00:01:06,429 Well, we're taking a look at pop culture through the eyes of 7 00:01:06,649 --> 00:01:07,010 HR. 8 00:01:07,010 --> 00:01:10,344 Yeah, we're taking a look. 9 00:01:10,344 --> 00:01:13,390 Most of the episodes are going to be focused around the Office, 10 00:01:13,390 --> 00:01:18,490 and today we're starting with Season 1, episode 1 of the 11 00:01:18,590 --> 00:01:19,112 Office here. 12 00:01:19,112 --> 00:01:24,105 So, yeah, this is a new segment CeCe came up with. 13 00:01:24,105 --> 00:01:28,792 I love the idea that we're just various pop culture shows, 14 00:01:28,912 --> 00:01:33,983 movies, things like that, that invoke HR, and there's nothing 15 00:01:34,024 --> 00:01:37,611 that raises more HR nightmares in my mind than the Office. 16 00:01:38,393 --> 00:01:39,034 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 17 00:01:41,359 --> 00:01:45,546 Speaker 1: And rewatching season one to episode one, I'm like 18 00:01:45,887 --> 00:01:49,933 how many fireball offenses could I find in this episode? 19 00:01:50,093 --> 00:01:51,375 Speaker 2: So many and things like that. 20 00:01:53,248 --> 00:01:56,143 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy, it's an HR nightmare, but it 21 00:01:56,162 --> 00:01:58,269 could also end up being a master class in HR. 22 00:01:58,269 --> 00:02:01,546 Who knows what direction this will take with us? 23 00:02:01,606 --> 00:02:04,424 Speaker 2: So yeah, I love it Kick us off. 24 00:02:04,424 --> 00:02:08,846 Yeah, so I like to say that I've learned everything I know 25 00:02:09,828 --> 00:02:14,098 about working in corporate America, and also working in 26 00:02:14,139 --> 00:02:15,985 human resources, from the office . 27 00:02:15,985 --> 00:02:17,530 Yeah, and I don't know. 28 00:02:17,530 --> 00:02:21,641 I don't know, dear listener, if you are living under a rock and 29 00:02:21,641 --> 00:02:24,788 maybe have never watched the Office before, but we're going 30 00:02:24,808 --> 00:02:27,381 to take you on this little journey with us and you can 31 00:02:27,401 --> 00:02:29,387 watch along, because we'll let you know what we're covering 32 00:02:29,426 --> 00:02:29,728 next. 33 00:02:30,210 --> 00:02:32,425 Speaker 1: We'll say, living under a rock. 34 00:02:32,425 --> 00:02:36,489 I'm one of those people who I don't watch the hit shows until 35 00:02:36,528 --> 00:02:37,572 they're gone. 36 00:02:37,572 --> 00:02:42,669 I'd never heard of the Office until like four or five years 37 00:02:42,729 --> 00:02:44,733 ago, oh my gosh. 38 00:02:44,733 --> 00:02:50,043 And then I started watching it, watching it okay, I just 39 00:02:50,062 --> 00:02:50,985 started watching Modern Family last week. 40 00:02:50,985 --> 00:02:53,991 I'm like so far behind everything and stuff like that, 41 00:02:54,010 --> 00:02:55,114 so I do. 42 00:02:55,114 --> 00:02:57,651 You know, I have seen every episode of the Office many, many 43 00:02:57,651 --> 00:02:57,913 times. 44 00:02:57,913 --> 00:02:59,681 Is that ended up being one of those background shows that, if 45 00:02:59,701 --> 00:03:00,945 right, doing the dishes or anything, you can always find it 46 00:03:00,945 --> 00:03:01,326 being on somewhere? 47 00:03:01,347 --> 00:03:02,631 and you just put it on the background and you're doing the 48 00:03:02,651 --> 00:03:03,132 dishes or anything. 49 00:03:03,132 --> 00:03:06,812 You can always find it being on somewhere and you just put it 50 00:03:06,913 --> 00:03:09,562 on in the background and you're doing whatever else and watching 51 00:03:09,562 --> 00:03:12,009 it halfway and things like that . 52 00:03:12,009 --> 00:03:15,389 So I've definitely seen every episode multiple times. 53 00:03:15,389 --> 00:03:16,986 But yeah, I was living under a rock. 54 00:03:16,986 --> 00:03:18,947 That Big Bang Theory was that way. 55 00:03:19,127 --> 00:03:19,688 Speaker 2: Oh, that was one. 56 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,322 Speaker 1: I didn't start watching until it was like 57 00:03:21,502 --> 00:03:22,907 almost at the end of it. 58 00:03:22,907 --> 00:03:26,122 I can probably name a dozen other shows like that that I 59 00:03:26,141 --> 00:03:26,342 didn't. 60 00:03:26,985 --> 00:03:29,312 Speaker 2: I was late to the party scrubs, scrubs was that 61 00:03:29,332 --> 00:03:34,165 way for me okay, I was late to scrubs back then so then I don't 62 00:03:34,165 --> 00:03:37,233 know and we're derailing the conversation already I love 63 00:03:37,272 --> 00:03:37,614 scrubs. 64 00:03:37,659 --> 00:03:40,263 It's one of my favorite tv shows of all times. 65 00:03:40,263 --> 00:03:47,370 I didn't realize until about like five, six years ago that 66 00:03:47,509 --> 00:03:52,455 the music is different on the streaming services than it is on 67 00:03:52,455 --> 00:03:57,007 how it originally aired, because I guess there was no 68 00:03:57,228 --> 00:04:00,403 licensing agreement for streaming, so they had to go in 69 00:04:00,525 --> 00:04:03,304 and like change a lot of the music, but the show was known 70 00:04:03,364 --> 00:04:04,007 for the music. 71 00:04:04,007 --> 00:04:08,243 In and like change a lot of the music, but the show was known 72 00:04:08,264 --> 00:04:08,524 for the music. 73 00:04:08,524 --> 00:04:10,149 So I told this to my husband and I got, like last christmas, 74 00:04:10,270 --> 00:04:15,683 the entire box set on dvd with all the original like music as 75 00:04:15,743 --> 00:04:16,625 it's intended to be. 76 00:04:16,625 --> 00:04:21,754 It's amazing and it's also like really weird to put me, like 77 00:04:22,021 --> 00:04:26,699 you know, use dvds again, but anyway, fun fact I don't know if 78 00:04:26,699 --> 00:04:31,528 I have a dvd player anymore yeah xbox that's what it is. 79 00:04:31,548 --> 00:04:35,841 That's what we use I think, yeah , I guess I would be have to, 80 00:04:35,980 --> 00:04:40,670 I'd have to use so I do want to say, like, this show did 81 00:04:40,709 --> 00:04:45,266 premiere 20 years ago and, as we recap some of this stuff, some 82 00:04:45,305 --> 00:04:47,711 things might be spoilers if you've never watched it before. 83 00:04:47,711 --> 00:04:52,245 However, it's been out for 20 years, so if you haven't watched 84 00:04:52,245 --> 00:04:53,790 it by now, you can't be mad at us. 85 00:04:53,790 --> 00:04:56,709 So the Titanic, the ship, you know the ship goes down at the 86 00:04:56,788 --> 00:04:56,889 end. 87 00:04:56,889 --> 00:04:58,665 So there's a spoiler for you too. 88 00:04:58,665 --> 00:05:03,668 So, yeah, so for those who haven't really watched the 89 00:05:03,769 --> 00:05:06,682 Office or again, aren't familiar with it, I just wanted to give 90 00:05:06,701 --> 00:05:08,509 a little bit of background for those who didn't know. 91 00:05:08,509 --> 00:05:12,451 So it did premiere in 2005. 92 00:05:12,451 --> 00:05:14,086 So that's 20 years ago. 93 00:05:14,086 --> 00:05:17,608 It was an adaptation of an original British show under the 94 00:05:17,668 --> 00:05:21,608 same name and it was created by Ricky Gervais and Stephen 95 00:05:21,629 --> 00:05:24,408 Merchant and it did have a very rocky start. 96 00:05:24,408 --> 00:05:27,129 So the show was not popular to begin with. 97 00:05:27,129 --> 00:05:30,370 It was kind of always being threatened to be canceled. 98 00:05:30,370 --> 00:05:35,007 And it really popped in popularity, probably around like 99 00:05:35,007 --> 00:05:39,723 the end of season one, kind of season two, and it really soared 100 00:05:39,723 --> 00:05:43,432 in popularity during the pandemic and Netflix and all 101 00:05:43,451 --> 00:05:45,565 that kind of stuff, because people were just binge watching 102 00:05:45,605 --> 00:05:47,112 it, binge watching it, binge watching it. 103 00:05:47,814 --> 00:05:53,091 It's known for its mockumentary style, its cringe humor and how 104 00:05:53,391 --> 00:05:54,735 it's very relatable. 105 00:05:54,735 --> 00:05:57,723 Everyone kind of finds something relatable because it's 106 00:05:57,723 --> 00:05:59,745 basically a mirror of everyday life. 107 00:05:59,745 --> 00:06:03,713 So why has it been so popular? 108 00:06:03,713 --> 00:06:04,704 This is one of my things. 109 00:06:04,704 --> 00:06:05,607 I love it. 110 00:06:05,607 --> 00:06:06,101 Again. 111 00:06:06,101 --> 00:06:07,827 I quote it at least once a day. 112 00:06:07,827 --> 00:06:09,646 It's just part of my vernacular . 113 00:06:09,646 --> 00:06:11,887 So basically, it's a very relatable show. 114 00:06:11,887 --> 00:06:15,547 A lot of the characters and the situations of the show are 115 00:06:16,408 --> 00:06:20,382 reflective of the American workplace Things like inept 116 00:06:20,442 --> 00:06:25,172 managers or bad team meetings or like the various interpersonal 117 00:06:25,211 --> 00:06:27,101 dynamics you might have with someone in the workplace. 118 00:06:27,101 --> 00:06:31,894 A lot of it is extremely, extremely relatable. 119 00:06:31,894 --> 00:06:35,502 There's a lot of timeless themes in there work-life 120 00:06:35,543 --> 00:06:38,548 balance, the monotony of the nine to five. 121 00:06:38,548 --> 00:06:43,286 It does use humor as a huge coping mechanism, which I love 122 00:06:43,326 --> 00:06:44,028 about the show. 123 00:06:44,028 --> 00:06:46,863 There's a lot of things that happen in the show that are very 124 00:06:46,863 --> 00:06:50,471 like serious when you're looking at it, especially from 125 00:06:50,512 --> 00:06:51,521 an HR perspective. 126 00:06:51,521 --> 00:06:53,867 But honestly, again, it's just. 127 00:06:53,867 --> 00:06:55,992 You know, if you can't cry, you laugh. 128 00:06:56,901 --> 00:06:58,884 Speaker 1: That's because this is a podcast you can't see. 129 00:06:58,884 --> 00:07:02,740 Behind Christina on her wall, along with their SHRM 130 00:07:02,761 --> 00:07:06,312 certification, is a Michael Scott quote. 131 00:07:06,312 --> 00:07:09,983 I think it's the Michael Jordan quote and then a Dwight Schrute 132 00:07:09,983 --> 00:07:10,485 pillow. 133 00:07:11,329 --> 00:07:11,750 Speaker 2: Yes. 134 00:07:12,019 --> 00:07:14,108 Speaker 1: I seem to remember something else I don't see. 135 00:07:14,108 --> 00:07:18,550 I thought you had more Office than that in other episodes that 136 00:07:18,550 --> 00:07:19,213 I can't see. 137 00:07:20,021 --> 00:07:22,404 Speaker 2: I do have the complete history of the Office 138 00:07:22,605 --> 00:07:26,009 as written by oh the guy that plays, oh my gosh, I'm like 139 00:07:26,370 --> 00:07:30,355 Kevin Brian Barmerger or whatever Ron Gardner, yeah. 140 00:07:30,355 --> 00:07:33,826 So I have the complete oral history of the Office back there 141 00:07:33,826 --> 00:07:33,826 . 142 00:07:34,887 --> 00:07:40,309 Speaker 1: Wow, wow, so yeah, so you are like a super fan of the 143 00:07:40,309 --> 00:07:44,148 Office and you talked about its beginning. 144 00:07:44,148 --> 00:07:47,824 They I did listen for a long time to office ladies. 145 00:07:47,824 --> 00:07:50,149 I don't listen to it as much anymore. 146 00:07:50,149 --> 00:07:54,605 I sort of fell out of love with that podcast, but I remember 147 00:07:55,206 --> 00:07:59,353 that you know them saying like I think one of them was working 148 00:07:59,394 --> 00:08:01,384 in a dentist's office, the other was like waiting table. 149 00:08:01,384 --> 00:08:05,293 No, kensey was working in a call center for a dental place. 150 00:08:05,293 --> 00:08:07,685 Yes, jenna was waiting tables. 151 00:08:07,685 --> 00:08:10,892 Neither of them quit their job for until like the second year, 152 00:08:11,341 --> 00:08:15,908 because they were always under threat of losing losing their 153 00:08:15,949 --> 00:08:20,365 job, which is a theme of episode one a theme of episode one. 154 00:08:21,125 --> 00:08:24,533 Speaker 2: So, and just to let you know the that quote that's 155 00:08:24,574 --> 00:08:28,665 behind me, the michael scott scott quote, it's actually I got 156 00:08:28,665 --> 00:08:28,665 . 157 00:08:28,665 --> 00:08:31,230 I gotta like just make sure I read it right or else I'm gonna 158 00:08:31,271 --> 00:08:31,612 ruin it. 159 00:08:31,612 --> 00:08:36,313 Uh oh, hr is a breeding ground for monsters, but what I fail to 160 00:08:36,313 --> 00:08:40,784 recognize is that not all monsters are bad. 161 00:08:40,985 --> 00:08:41,485 Speaker 1: That's what it is. 162 00:08:41,485 --> 00:08:43,188 Okay, I can't see. 163 00:08:43,188 --> 00:08:43,710 I thought it was. 164 00:08:43,710 --> 00:08:46,501 Every time I see something like that with michael scott I think 165 00:08:46,501 --> 00:08:50,115 it's the uh, when he's quoting michael jordan quoting him. 166 00:08:50,115 --> 00:08:53,528 He's yeah, you, you miss a hundred percent of the shots you 167 00:08:53,528 --> 00:08:58,303 don't take wayne gretzky michael scott michael scott. 168 00:08:58,303 --> 00:09:00,471 Yeah, he, anyways, that's that's. 169 00:09:00,471 --> 00:09:01,173 That's funny. 170 00:09:01,173 --> 00:09:04,442 So where do you want to start with this episode? 171 00:09:04,945 --> 00:09:06,370 Speaker 2: so we can start at the beginning. 172 00:09:06,370 --> 00:09:10,051 So here's a couple things at the very beginning. 173 00:09:10,051 --> 00:09:14,942 First of all, it starts cold open, basically, with a meeting 174 00:09:15,003 --> 00:09:21,096 between Michael and Jim and Michael kind of breaking of the 175 00:09:21,157 --> 00:09:23,466 fourth wall and something to describe for people who've never 176 00:09:23,466 --> 00:09:23,807 seen it. 177 00:09:23,807 --> 00:09:26,366 But the cameramen, or the cameras, are actually a 178 00:09:26,407 --> 00:09:28,760 character as well, because they're filming a mockumentary. 179 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:33,630 So michael is very aware that the cameras are there and he's 180 00:09:33,750 --> 00:09:38,626 like a ham and he's just like, oh you know, yes, jim, why did 181 00:09:38,647 --> 00:09:39,389 you want to see me? 182 00:09:39,389 --> 00:09:42,363 And like jim kind of calls him out like no, you, you asked to 183 00:09:42,423 --> 00:09:42,903 see me. 184 00:09:42,903 --> 00:09:46,982 And then Michael has to kind of like flex his muscles and help 185 00:09:47,043 --> 00:09:48,044 Jim close a deal. 186 00:09:48,044 --> 00:09:50,049 So he gets on the phone and he does it. 187 00:09:50,650 --> 00:09:54,428 But what I want to point out here again, as the ultimate 188 00:09:54,448 --> 00:09:57,639 connoisseur of the office, is that Michael is good at 189 00:09:57,719 --> 00:10:00,462 something and I'm going to refer to this time and time again. 190 00:10:00,462 --> 00:10:08,452 Michael is a competent salesman and that is why he got promoted 191 00:10:08,452 --> 00:10:14,369 into the regional manager and he loves I think he just loves 192 00:10:14,408 --> 00:10:15,432 his management position. 193 00:10:15,432 --> 00:10:20,667 So he goes in and he introduces himself, but essentially, like 194 00:10:20,907 --> 00:10:24,585 he thinks very highly of himself , he doesn't have a lot of 195 00:10:24,644 --> 00:10:27,961 self-awareness, as you'll find out, and he was one of those 196 00:10:28,241 --> 00:10:31,707 individuals who was promoted into a management position 197 00:10:32,168 --> 00:10:34,091 because they were good at their job. 198 00:10:35,794 --> 00:10:40,892 Speaker 1: Yes, and that's HR mistake numero uno so many times 199 00:10:40,892 --> 00:10:40,892 . 200 00:10:40,892 --> 00:10:43,503 Oh, they're good at their role, let's promote them. 201 00:10:43,503 --> 00:10:47,224 And even though they don't have any managerial skills, as as 202 00:10:47,283 --> 00:10:53,437 michael scott, so, and, and, yeah, I, and, okay, I, I was 203 00:10:53,457 --> 00:10:57,605 talking about terminal offenses in that meeting with jim that he 204 00:10:57,605 --> 00:11:03,221 called you know that jim needed help, for you know it ends and 205 00:11:03,923 --> 00:11:05,988 tell me if I'm stomping on anything of yours with him 206 00:11:06,288 --> 00:11:08,994 saying, sir, you're a gentleman and a scholar. 207 00:11:08,994 --> 00:11:11,589 And then it's like, oh, that was a woman. 208 00:11:11,589 --> 00:11:16,004 She has a very deep voice, she must smoke a lot or whatever it 209 00:11:16,125 --> 00:11:20,322 is, she must be a smoker, she must be a smoker and it's just. 210 00:11:20,322 --> 00:11:22,027 I don't know. 211 00:11:22,027 --> 00:11:23,652 I can see that customer complaint coming in. 212 00:11:23,652 --> 00:11:26,168 Your dude just called me a dude . 213 00:11:26,168 --> 00:11:29,686 You know, maybe that's not terminable, but that's 214 00:11:29,765 --> 00:11:30,707 definitely worth a. 215 00:11:30,707 --> 00:11:32,030 We need to talk. 216 00:11:32,873 --> 00:11:33,092 Speaker 2: Yeah. 217 00:11:34,020 --> 00:11:35,063 Speaker 1: Take a situation. 218 00:11:36,229 --> 00:11:37,724 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he? 219 00:11:37,724 --> 00:11:41,725 What is it he loves to talk about how oh, I've asked so many 220 00:11:41,725 --> 00:11:45,731 people about how everyone says I'm a great boss and how funny I 221 00:11:45,731 --> 00:11:47,495 am, and blah, blah, blah. 222 00:11:47,495 --> 00:11:50,861 And I even bought this mug from Spencer's Gifts and it was like 223 00:11:50,861 --> 00:11:54,730 , the joke being that he bought his own world's best boss mug. 224 00:11:55,630 --> 00:11:58,767 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I didn't pick up on that until I watched 225 00:11:58,826 --> 00:12:05,042 it today that he bought it himself, yeah, so yeah, well, I 226 00:12:05,081 --> 00:12:09,594 guess what's the next best scene ? 227 00:12:09,594 --> 00:12:11,960 Well, okay, harassment. 228 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,563 Let's talk about harassment. 229 00:12:13,563 --> 00:12:18,817 Okay, there's multiple instances of sexual harassment 230 00:12:19,278 --> 00:12:23,186 and unfortunately, I guess pam the, the receptionist office 231 00:12:23,225 --> 00:12:24,427 manager, is the. 232 00:12:24,427 --> 00:12:27,072 He says something. 233 00:12:27,072 --> 00:12:27,975 You think she's hot? 234 00:12:27,975 --> 00:12:29,985 I'm butchering this quote. 235 00:12:29,985 --> 00:12:30,884 You think she's hot? 236 00:12:30,884 --> 00:12:31,085 Now? 237 00:12:31,085 --> 00:12:32,806 You should have seen her 10 years ago. 238 00:12:33,167 --> 00:12:33,668 Speaker 2: Yes. 239 00:12:34,774 --> 00:12:41,273 Speaker 1: Excuse me, talk about the double whammy on that Gosh. 240 00:12:41,273 --> 00:12:47,451 Once again we're getting closer to terminable offenses, but hey 241 00:12:47,451 --> 00:12:49,361 , we're not there quite yet. 242 00:12:49,361 --> 00:12:50,845 But I mean, we're all. 243 00:12:50,845 --> 00:12:53,308 We're only in the first five minutes of the episode. 244 00:12:53,669 --> 00:12:58,763 Speaker 2: So far I I do love his like little gag of oh where 245 00:12:58,783 --> 00:12:59,625 are my faxes? 246 00:12:59,625 --> 00:13:04,150 And or pam pam gives him faxes and he's like oh, I told you, 247 00:13:04,171 --> 00:13:06,754 this goes in a special spot in the trash. 248 00:13:06,754 --> 00:13:07,541 Can Like? 249 00:13:07,541 --> 00:13:11,765 Ha, ha, ha, ha, like just the way he's just so cringy with all 250 00:13:11,765 --> 00:13:13,389 these like really bad dad jokes . 251 00:13:14,331 --> 00:13:15,453 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. 252 00:13:15,453 --> 00:13:20,267 And well, that takes us to the sort of the next scene, where 253 00:13:20,828 --> 00:13:24,722 Jan the I don't know what her title is she's like a corporate 254 00:13:24,923 --> 00:13:26,567 person, she's the VP. 255 00:13:26,567 --> 00:13:31,921 Yeah, comes in and drops the news on them that there's going 256 00:13:31,942 --> 00:13:34,005 to be some downsizing. 257 00:13:34,807 --> 00:13:35,529 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. 258 00:13:36,873 --> 00:13:36,993 Speaker 1: Oh. 259 00:13:37,259 --> 00:13:38,466 Speaker 2: Oh, I was going to say go ahead. 260 00:13:39,639 --> 00:13:43,366 Speaker 1: Oh well, you know, and Michael swears the secrecy 261 00:13:43,506 --> 00:13:45,924 and everything like that, but I guess you can imagine how long 262 00:13:46,326 --> 00:13:48,010 that secret is kept. 263 00:13:49,020 --> 00:13:50,125 Speaker 2: He can't keep a secret. 264 00:13:50,125 --> 00:13:55,802 He cannot keep a secret Like yes, terms are coming, you got 265 00:13:55,822 --> 00:13:57,147 to shut your mouth about it. 266 00:14:00,282 --> 00:14:06,532 Speaker 1: And then comes the I'm trying to Carol what's his 267 00:14:06,611 --> 00:14:07,794 name plays him, who is? 268 00:14:08,179 --> 00:14:11,769 Speaker 2: Oh, are you talking about Packer, packer, packer, 269 00:14:11,789 --> 00:14:12,250 that was good. 270 00:14:12,350 --> 00:14:17,462 Speaker 1: Yeah, then comes, while he's in this important 271 00:14:17,703 --> 00:14:21,248 meeting about downsizing with the vice president, his number 272 00:14:21,347 --> 00:14:24,611 one sales rep, packer, calls, who was. 273 00:14:24,611 --> 00:14:27,094 If you go further down the episode, they're buddies and 274 00:14:27,115 --> 00:14:28,917 they were both coming up as salespeople together. 275 00:14:28,917 --> 00:14:34,071 Michael Scott, like man, crushes on him very hard, I 276 00:14:34,130 --> 00:14:34,370 guess. 277 00:14:34,431 --> 00:14:51,743 Very hard puts on the speakerphone and he is so 278 00:14:51,764 --> 00:14:53,408 grossly, overtly inappropriate asking if the vice president's 279 00:14:53,427 --> 00:14:55,352 carpet matches the drapes, yep, and all this other like stuff, 280 00:14:55,394 --> 00:14:57,721 with the vice president right there on speakerphone listening 281 00:14:57,780 --> 00:15:02,908 to it and packard is like and the thing is, I've had to work 282 00:15:02,947 --> 00:15:08,333 with people maybe not quite as overt as Packard, but still 283 00:15:08,735 --> 00:15:09,796 people are just that dumb. 284 00:15:09,796 --> 00:15:13,307 Maybe it's not an essential harassment, but they're just 285 00:15:13,347 --> 00:15:19,451 going to do it and he makes me feel you know, we've discussed 286 00:15:19,490 --> 00:15:24,585 this multiple times on the podcast yeah, do your number one 287 00:15:24,585 --> 00:15:27,230 salespeople get away with more because you don't want to lose 288 00:15:27,250 --> 00:15:27,350 them? 289 00:15:27,350 --> 00:15:33,311 Yes, and is that the only thing that's keeping Packard there? 290 00:15:33,311 --> 00:15:36,870 Is it because he's a great salesperson? 291 00:15:38,341 --> 00:15:42,403 Speaker 2: That is such a good point Because remember spoiler 292 00:15:42,443 --> 00:15:48,508 alert a few episodes in, at some point he takes a shit in 293 00:15:48,548 --> 00:15:50,352 Michael's office as a prank. 294 00:15:50,352 --> 00:15:56,836 And it's such a good point that Packer must be an excellent 295 00:15:56,956 --> 00:16:01,828 salesperson, because how is it that he could say that on the 296 00:16:01,889 --> 00:16:06,129 phone and take a shit like all this stuff and he still has a 297 00:16:06,168 --> 00:16:06,389 job. 298 00:16:09,899 --> 00:16:10,803 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's only the tip of the iceberg. 299 00:16:10,803 --> 00:16:12,529 He mentioned other very inappropriate that he called her 300 00:16:12,529 --> 00:16:12,971 what? 301 00:16:12,971 --> 00:16:16,143 Hillary, hillary, rodham, godzilla, or something like yes, 302 00:16:16,143 --> 00:16:20,251 or something like that, and you know, just going on and on, so, 303 00:16:20,251 --> 00:16:26,451 but this really sets up the, the, the context of, you know, 304 00:16:26,510 --> 00:16:28,313 michael, and of Michael's not doing the values. 305 00:16:28,313 --> 00:16:31,365 Oh, okay, okay, and then I guess he just sort of hung up on 306 00:16:31,365 --> 00:16:31,765 him. 307 00:16:31,866 --> 00:16:33,331 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. 308 00:16:33,331 --> 00:16:36,207 At first he's like singing his praises like, oh, this is Packer 309 00:16:36,207 --> 00:16:37,030 , he's a great guy. 310 00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:40,169 And then he hangs up his phone like idiot he's an idiot. 311 00:16:42,100 --> 00:16:42,804 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. 312 00:16:42,804 --> 00:16:45,964 So where do we go next? 313 00:16:46,203 --> 00:16:49,770 Speaker 2: So, after this love, okay, so I'm gonna. 314 00:16:49,770 --> 00:16:51,113 I might jump a little bit. 315 00:16:51,113 --> 00:16:55,846 So so ryan, the temp is introduced, he walks in for his 316 00:16:55,966 --> 00:17:00,894 first day, um, and he's played by, uh, bj novak. 317 00:17:00,894 --> 00:17:02,140 I love bj novak. 318 00:17:02,140 --> 00:17:04,403 Fun fact, he's also one of the writers on the show. 319 00:17:04,403 --> 00:17:05,345 But anyway. 320 00:17:05,345 --> 00:17:11,311 So Ryan comes in and he kind of like he just does such stupid, 321 00:17:11,893 --> 00:17:18,105 stupid jokes to like welcome him so cringy and he talks about 322 00:17:18,144 --> 00:17:22,945 how he loves comedy and then he starts doing like, like, just 323 00:17:23,026 --> 00:17:24,588 for shits and giggles. 324 00:17:24,588 --> 00:17:30,623 Takes the placard off of Pam's desk just for gigs, shits and 325 00:17:30,643 --> 00:17:30,782 giggles. 326 00:17:30,782 --> 00:17:32,127 Takes the placard off of pam's desk, puts it against his face 327 00:17:32,147 --> 00:17:33,472 like a mustache and then does like the hitler march across the 328 00:17:33,472 --> 00:17:35,140 office as if it's like a really funny joke. 329 00:17:35,140 --> 00:17:37,263 And it's just so awkward. 330 00:17:37,263 --> 00:17:42,232 Everyone's just staring at him, no one's laughing at all and 331 00:17:42,313 --> 00:17:43,541 he's just like lighten up. 332 00:17:43,882 --> 00:17:46,388 Ah, we're, we have fun here, we have Like. 333 00:17:46,388 --> 00:17:48,173 That was like the whole tone of it I'm Hitler. 334 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:50,105 Speaker 1: I just don't get it. 335 00:17:50,105 --> 00:17:55,530 And he doesn't have a clue why nobody's laughing Right. 336 00:17:55,530 --> 00:17:57,146 They just don't get that he is Hitler. 337 00:17:57,146 --> 00:18:00,097 They absolutely get that he's Hitler. 338 00:18:00,859 --> 00:18:06,506 Speaker 2: Everyone got it and it's funny because that's 339 00:18:06,526 --> 00:18:07,147 definitely termable. 340 00:18:07,147 --> 00:18:11,243 That is a little term of all that would. 341 00:18:11,243 --> 00:18:11,785 That would be. 342 00:18:11,785 --> 00:18:15,413 So michael's already fired by like the first episode but 343 00:18:16,663 --> 00:18:19,909 suspension of belief, he has the job the whole time and I have 344 00:18:19,930 --> 00:18:23,644 to laugh because I have been in a room where, like, a leader has 345 00:18:23,644 --> 00:18:29,978 made a slightly like borderline racial joke and I'm like and no 346 00:18:29,978 --> 00:18:33,231 one laughs because everyone's like you say that like it really 347 00:18:33,231 --> 00:18:34,096 freaking happens. 348 00:18:34,096 --> 00:18:34,799 Is that really? 349 00:18:39,405 --> 00:18:42,910 Speaker 1: and and yeah, so they . 350 00:18:42,910 --> 00:18:47,655 I guess he keeps on you and also to pick up man crushes. 351 00:18:47,655 --> 00:18:53,148 This begins the man crush that he has with Ryan, the Temp, 352 00:18:53,388 --> 00:18:59,058 which we'll be talking a lot about, I'm sure, over the course 353 00:18:59,058 --> 00:18:59,880 of these episodes. 354 00:19:00,421 --> 00:19:04,828 Speaker 2: And the funny part is and, like I think the broader 355 00:19:04,848 --> 00:19:08,275 gag is, the company's not doing well. 356 00:19:08,275 --> 00:19:13,192 They're looking at cutting people and terminating people, 357 00:19:14,141 --> 00:19:18,893 but Michael spends the money and brings in a temp A temp. 358 00:19:18,893 --> 00:19:23,259 And that is so stupid, so stupid. 359 00:19:25,823 --> 00:19:30,827 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's like the next scene that Michael 360 00:19:30,827 --> 00:19:37,554 has an all-hands meeting with everybody and announces that 361 00:19:38,375 --> 00:19:41,020 corporate's going to be doing a layoff yes, and then he 362 00:19:41,121 --> 00:19:45,587 basically guarantees and, mind you, five minutes earlier he 363 00:19:45,607 --> 00:19:49,192 just told Jan the VP, vp, that hey, you know, I'll keep this a 364 00:19:49,253 --> 00:19:49,594 secret. 365 00:19:49,594 --> 00:19:50,295 And what do you know? 366 00:19:50,295 --> 00:19:56,528 He's got all hands meeting letting them know that there's 367 00:19:56,548 --> 00:19:59,413 going to be, you know, downsizing, I think is what the 368 00:19:59,432 --> 00:20:00,615 term they kept using. 369 00:20:00,654 --> 00:20:04,262 Speaker 2: Downsizing and the thing is like it's funny because 370 00:20:04,262 --> 00:20:06,207 at some point, like before, before that meeting people are 371 00:20:06,227 --> 00:20:10,854 already like understanding and whispering that downsizing could 372 00:20:10,854 --> 00:20:13,105 be a thing Like it's in the air . 373 00:20:13,105 --> 00:20:17,846 You know, like we're kind of thrown into this like situation, 374 00:20:17,846 --> 00:20:20,592 like as in fresh eyes of like people are already worried about 375 00:20:20,592 --> 00:20:23,605 it and they're talking quietly, like even Oscar is like I don't 376 00:20:23,605 --> 00:20:25,009 know, you better update your resume. 377 00:20:25,009 --> 00:20:29,268 And then Michael just like just throws gas on the fire. 378 00:20:31,512 --> 00:20:33,807 Speaker 1: Exactly, oh, the meat . 379 00:20:33,807 --> 00:20:36,904 First, we're going to have a lot of fun talking about Michael 380 00:20:36,904 --> 00:20:41,813 and his meetings episode, because there's there's some 381 00:20:41,972 --> 00:20:44,963 really good things If you, if you haven't watched, or haven't 382 00:20:44,983 --> 00:20:48,740 watched in a while, that happened in his meetings, but 383 00:20:48,779 --> 00:20:52,570 anyways, he goes on to have a meeting and announces that yeah, 384 00:20:52,570 --> 00:20:56,027 but then Pam who was in the meeting says because he's 385 00:20:56,047 --> 00:20:58,653 sitting there guaranteeing that it's not going to happen to him. 386 00:20:58,653 --> 00:21:04,390 Well, I was in the meeting and she said we're definitely on the 387 00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:06,273 chopping block, I guess. 388 00:21:06,614 --> 00:21:06,894 Speaker 2: Yeah. 389 00:21:07,500 --> 00:21:09,606 Speaker 1: And once again, terminal offense, sharing that 390 00:21:09,646 --> 00:21:10,711 confidential information. 391 00:21:10,711 --> 00:21:17,574 Yeah, that's very high on the list of things that Michael 392 00:21:17,634 --> 00:21:20,099 could be termed for just in episode one. 393 00:21:20,099 --> 00:21:26,327 And then we see the pranks, and yeah, the pranks. 394 00:21:26,327 --> 00:21:28,166 Which prank was first? 395 00:21:28,849 --> 00:21:30,194 Speaker 2: let's see, so it was. 396 00:21:30,194 --> 00:21:33,585 There was a sales pitch that jim was trying to make and then, 397 00:21:33,585 --> 00:21:36,792 while he's doing it, dwight keeps like, just like disrupting 398 00:21:36,792 --> 00:21:39,965 him, and I think it was like with the pencil sharpener. 399 00:21:39,965 --> 00:21:45,564 So then jim lines his desk up with sharpened pencils to like 400 00:21:45,663 --> 00:21:49,932 display a border, like a barricade, like to which you 401 00:21:49,952 --> 00:21:50,153 know. 402 00:21:50,153 --> 00:21:54,229 Dwight is just like then pounding the pencils through the 403 00:21:54,229 --> 00:21:57,742 thing, just being obnoxious and I do want to say he could get 404 00:21:57,804 --> 00:22:01,414 hurt oh yeah, that's right because he could. 405 00:22:01,575 --> 00:22:04,021 He could get hurt, like yeah, that was what it was. 406 00:22:04,021 --> 00:22:06,468 We've all worked with a Dwight. 407 00:22:07,891 --> 00:22:08,613 Speaker 1: We can only hope. 408 00:22:10,621 --> 00:22:14,106 Speaker 2: I have to say like I am a big Jim fan, but I am going 409 00:22:14,106 --> 00:22:17,854 to say that Jim is a workplace bully. 410 00:22:17,854 --> 00:22:21,444 I'm going to say it just constantly, all of his pranks, 411 00:22:21,819 --> 00:22:24,821 and not to say, like Dwight doesn't deserve it and he kind 412 00:22:24,862 --> 00:22:27,791 of gives it back to him every once in a while, like Dwight 413 00:22:27,811 --> 00:22:29,939 doesn't deserve it and he kind of gives it back to him every 414 00:22:29,959 --> 00:22:30,380 once in a while. 415 00:22:34,299 --> 00:22:35,383 Speaker 1: But I'm like I feel like Jim should have had a 416 00:22:35,403 --> 00:22:38,068 conversation by now with everything, Not only I think Jim 417 00:22:38,068 --> 00:22:42,400 is the very first quiet quitter doing the bare minimum. 418 00:22:43,181 --> 00:22:44,025 Speaker 2: Oh. 419 00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:49,530 Speaker 1: And he even talks about hey, maybe not in this 420 00:22:49,412 --> 00:22:49,894 episode episode. 421 00:22:49,894 --> 00:22:50,078 It's one of the features of the Office. 422 00:22:50,078 --> 00:22:52,478 If you're listening to this, I'm assuming you're listening to 423 00:22:52,478 --> 00:22:57,055 the Office but they have these where they talk directly to the 424 00:22:57,096 --> 00:23:00,663 camera, maybe answering some of the people's questions and 425 00:23:00,702 --> 00:23:03,019 things like that future episodes . 426 00:23:03,019 --> 00:23:07,579 I'm just doing the bare minimum to get by, or whatever. 427 00:23:07,579 --> 00:23:10,653 He says something along those lines later down, but I think 428 00:23:10,693 --> 00:23:13,442 he's the original quite quitter, but he's also. 429 00:23:13,442 --> 00:23:14,243 He is a bully. 430 00:23:14,243 --> 00:23:19,314 A bully because some of it's funny, but it it could be funny. 431 00:23:19,314 --> 00:23:23,986 It doesn't take the fact that, but dwight is such the only 432 00:23:24,067 --> 00:23:28,653 target, the only person he really targets is, well, jim and 433 00:23:28,653 --> 00:23:29,355 Michael Scott. 434 00:23:29,815 --> 00:23:30,036 Speaker 2: Yeah. 435 00:23:30,721 --> 00:23:33,155 Speaker 1: Or Dwight I should say, and Michael Scott. 436 00:23:33,196 --> 00:23:33,699 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 437 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:35,343 Speaker 1: He really targets. 438 00:23:35,343 --> 00:23:39,391 He leaves everybody else alone for the most part, as far as I 439 00:23:39,412 --> 00:23:39,731 remember. 440 00:23:39,731 --> 00:23:42,585 But yeah, I agree, he is a workplace bully. 441 00:23:42,585 --> 00:23:44,811 Yeah, and yeah. 442 00:23:44,811 --> 00:23:49,269 So we get introduced to, I think in that same scene with 443 00:23:49,288 --> 00:23:50,270 the pencil barricade. 444 00:23:50,270 --> 00:23:55,849 We get introduced to jello jim putting objects in jello for, 445 00:23:56,431 --> 00:23:58,681 and that'll come up again, which I think is hilarious. 446 00:23:59,061 --> 00:24:02,996 Okay, I've told any number of times we would prank the hell 447 00:24:03,096 --> 00:24:05,663 out of patrick now you're making me think I'm a workplace bully 448 00:24:05,963 --> 00:24:09,791 but we worked together and like we destroyed his desk. 449 00:24:09,791 --> 00:24:12,657 We would when he'd go on vacation you know he hated 450 00:24:13,159 --> 00:24:16,106 returning after like the second or third time returning from 451 00:24:16,166 --> 00:24:19,662 vacation or or something like that, to see what the hell 452 00:24:19,682 --> 00:24:22,366 they'd done to to my, my desk now. 453 00:24:22,366 --> 00:24:26,662 But we, we screwed up with with his stuff so much, and one time 454 00:24:26,662 --> 00:24:28,445 to find his keyboard. 455 00:24:28,445 --> 00:24:30,671 I hid the keyboard in them and it was a treasure hunt. 456 00:24:30,671 --> 00:24:31,813 It wasn't his keyboard. 457 00:24:31,813 --> 00:24:36,188 He comes back from vacation and you'd find a clue here and then 458 00:24:36,188 --> 00:24:37,932 you'd have to go over here to find the next clue. 459 00:24:37,932 --> 00:24:40,929 I did this whole elaborate treasure. 460 00:24:40,929 --> 00:24:45,190 Now I'm feeling sort of bad because being a workplace bully, 461 00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:49,664 but we did, that was all me. 462 00:24:49,664 --> 00:24:54,281 I was the maybe not mastermind, but yeah, I was the master, I 463 00:24:54,321 --> 00:24:57,326 initiated most of that and then everybody else joined in. 464 00:24:57,326 --> 00:24:59,647 But yeah, now I'm sorry, sorry, patrick. 465 00:25:00,019 --> 00:25:03,428 Speaker 2: I think it was like I see, pranks are fun between 466 00:25:03,749 --> 00:25:05,353 people who like each other, right? 467 00:25:05,353 --> 00:25:10,625 I think it's like this Jim and Dwight-ness, where Jim just does 468 00:25:10,625 --> 00:25:12,250 it to get a rise out of Dwight. 469 00:25:12,250 --> 00:25:15,549 I think that makes it a bullying situation. 470 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,450 Speaker 1: Especially when Dwight is so easy to push a 471 00:25:20,490 --> 00:25:20,730 button. 472 00:25:21,211 --> 00:25:21,511 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. 473 00:25:22,882 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: Anything will push his buttons, dwight's buttons, 474 00:25:26,963 --> 00:25:28,528 and that makes you a target for bullies. 475 00:25:28,528 --> 00:25:31,003 So yeah, so yeah. 476 00:25:31,003 --> 00:25:34,787 That's a good thing, but I guess the biggest prank of the 477 00:25:35,288 --> 00:25:39,688 episode is the jello? 478 00:25:39,887 --> 00:25:41,464 Speaker 2: Oh no, which big prank? 479 00:25:41,464 --> 00:25:43,305 Because there's a couple pranks . 480 00:25:44,260 --> 00:25:50,148 The big one when Mike and Brianrian bring pam into yes, 481 00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:57,404 yeah, so so, yeah, they bring pam into the office and michael, 482 00:25:57,404 --> 00:26:02,534 with ryan present, just to prove how like fun and pranky 483 00:26:02,574 --> 00:26:08,068 they are, quote, quote, unquote pranks pam by telling her that 484 00:26:08,148 --> 00:26:17,430 she is fired for stealing post-its, and and she just 485 00:26:17,450 --> 00:26:20,474 starts crying because she takes it so seriously, because she was 486 00:26:20,474 --> 00:26:26,249 just terminated and and yeah and he goes on to say and 487 00:26:26,288 --> 00:26:29,394 because this was gross misconduct, you will not be 488 00:26:29,453 --> 00:26:30,781 eligible for any severances. 489 00:26:31,022 --> 00:26:35,275 Speaker 1: I mean he's, he's laying it on really thick and 490 00:26:35,355 --> 00:26:36,156 ryan the whole time. 491 00:26:36,156 --> 00:26:41,092 New guy day one is just sort of oh, you got this, what the fuck 492 00:26:41,092 --> 00:26:42,134 am I getting into? 493 00:26:42,134 --> 00:26:45,682 Right look and he's like looking away and you know he's 494 00:26:45,723 --> 00:26:49,509 like you just put me in the most uncomfortable situation you 495 00:26:49,810 --> 00:26:52,015 possibly could have put me into. 496 00:26:52,015 --> 00:26:54,067 So yeah, that was. 497 00:26:54,299 --> 00:26:57,289 Speaker 2: It's also like just bad timing for that. 498 00:26:57,289 --> 00:26:58,565 Well, that's a bad prank. 499 00:26:58,565 --> 00:27:02,626 To begin with, you shouldn't fake fire someone which, funny 500 00:27:02,686 --> 00:27:05,653 enough, happens another couple times, I think, in the series 501 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,729 but you shouldn't be fake firing anyone. 502 00:27:08,729 --> 00:27:10,905 And second of all, you shouldn't be fake firing someone 503 00:27:10,905 --> 00:27:12,411 when you're talking about layoffs. 504 00:27:13,820 --> 00:27:15,046 Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. 505 00:27:15,046 --> 00:27:20,508 And you know, in the real world I've said before I was laid off 506 00:27:20,508 --> 00:27:25,375 twice within six months of each other, in 2011. 507 00:27:25,375 --> 00:27:29,670 I've been on the layoff side of things, both as the person 508 00:27:29,710 --> 00:27:33,365 being laid off and I've been the HR person discussing okay, 509 00:27:33,586 --> 00:27:37,480 let's make our list and decide how we're going to do this and 510 00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:39,684 who's going to be on the list, and things like that. 511 00:27:39,684 --> 00:27:45,962 Layoffs are not fun at all they're stressful. 512 00:27:46,023 --> 00:27:50,515 The second time I got laid off I knew that I was getting laid 513 00:27:50,555 --> 00:27:55,765 off because I didn't get invited to that layoff meeting oh no oh 514 00:27:55,765 --> 00:27:58,349 yeah, I, I we had weekly meetings. 515 00:27:58,911 --> 00:28:00,373 I was working that hospital. 516 00:28:00,373 --> 00:28:03,805 It lost its license, so our patient count is going down 517 00:28:04,164 --> 00:28:08,554 every day and we we were allowed to keep the patients we had, 518 00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:11,606 but as people were being discharged we couldn't take new 519 00:28:11,646 --> 00:28:16,224 patients in and a lot of the the patients were wards of the 520 00:28:16,265 --> 00:28:19,853 state and these agencies were pulling their people out. 521 00:28:19,853 --> 00:28:23,107 So you know, there's a in a medical field you have to have 522 00:28:23,127 --> 00:28:28,087 so many people working per patient, you would say, and our 523 00:28:28,128 --> 00:28:28,869 numbers are going down. 524 00:28:28,869 --> 00:28:31,926 So we're laying people off and I'm in those meetings every week 525 00:28:31,926 --> 00:28:31,926 . 526 00:28:31,926 --> 00:28:35,269 And then I didn't get the invitation to the next meeting. 527 00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:37,224 I just went to the director and said I'm on the list, aren't I? 528 00:28:37,224 --> 00:28:40,413 And she's like oh, she took it. 529 00:28:40,413 --> 00:28:41,625 I was like you know. 530 00:28:42,579 --> 00:28:44,123 Speaker 2: The writing is kind of on the wall. 531 00:28:44,845 --> 00:28:48,231 Speaker 1: Yeah, at some point I was going to be on that list, 532 00:28:51,859 --> 00:28:53,112 so I've been there both sides of the story. 533 00:28:53,112 --> 00:28:54,864 But yeah, layoffs are not fun, they're not something to joke 534 00:28:54,903 --> 00:28:58,046 around about, and things like that. 535 00:28:58,046 --> 00:29:01,008 So yeah, so that's Terminable Offense. 536 00:29:01,008 --> 00:29:05,346 And why the hell would Ryan come back for day two after 537 00:29:05,406 --> 00:29:09,913 seeing the shit show he's walking into with this, with 538 00:29:09,933 --> 00:29:10,615 this job? 539 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,128 Speaker 2: I would have called my temp agency and been like get 540 00:29:13,128 --> 00:29:14,173 me out of here. 541 00:29:14,173 --> 00:29:15,699 I don't care about the bonus. 542 00:29:15,699 --> 00:29:21,790 Like get me out of here yeah, exactly, and how did the? 543 00:29:21,991 --> 00:29:23,074 Speaker 1: how did the episode end? 544 00:29:23,074 --> 00:29:23,413 What did? 545 00:29:23,413 --> 00:29:25,547 What did we have going on? 546 00:29:25,567 --> 00:29:28,999 Speaker 2: I can't remember well , well, pam, like calls him an 547 00:29:29,098 --> 00:29:34,070 asshole and like walks out of the room because like and then 548 00:29:34,953 --> 00:29:38,563 the office place budding romance I guess that is true. 549 00:29:39,163 --> 00:29:42,733 Speaker 1: Yes, we learned that jim, even though pam's engaged 550 00:29:42,773 --> 00:29:47,185 for three years to another co-worker, that jim and pam have 551 00:29:47,185 --> 00:29:49,592 a thing going on already they do. 552 00:29:49,901 --> 00:29:52,527 Speaker 2: they're like work besties, but they also are like 553 00:29:52,586 --> 00:29:55,280 each other's work husband and work wives but they actually 554 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,548 like, actually they're crushing, they're crushing. 555 00:29:58,548 --> 00:30:03,762 So I'm I'm so glad you brought that up, because when I was in 556 00:30:03,843 --> 00:30:10,332 grad school I actually there was a professor there who her like 557 00:30:10,451 --> 00:30:15,463 area of expertise was workplace romance, like, and she did a lot 558 00:30:15,463 --> 00:30:18,797 of research around that and I thought it was like super 559 00:30:18,856 --> 00:30:21,048 interesting, so okay, so really funny story. 560 00:30:21,048 --> 00:30:24,989 I think she started off, like in her career, as doing research 561 00:30:24,989 --> 00:30:28,617 with, like, like, air traffic controllers and their workplace 562 00:30:28,959 --> 00:30:31,845 dynamics and their workplace satisfaction and morale. 563 00:30:32,385 --> 00:30:36,902 air traffic controllers have the lowest morale, so fun fact 564 00:30:36,942 --> 00:30:40,289 about that I heard it's the highest stress job it is, it's 565 00:30:40,390 --> 00:30:43,564 the highest stress job and like morale is really low and it's 566 00:30:43,584 --> 00:30:47,092 just like really stressful, so hated that. 567 00:30:47,092 --> 00:30:49,304 And then she fell into like this whole workplace romance 568 00:30:49,344 --> 00:30:53,057 thing and but yeah, she's like the leading expert in studying 569 00:30:53,096 --> 00:30:56,932 that and apparently like I think it's really interesting that 570 00:30:56,951 --> 00:31:00,343 the office kind of touches on it , because we've all been in 571 00:31:00,383 --> 00:31:04,391 situations where we know the people, the couple that's 572 00:31:04,431 --> 00:31:06,482 getting too flirty or this or that. 573 00:31:06,482 --> 00:31:10,785 I've been in situations where one like two people were working 574 00:31:10,785 --> 00:31:14,220 in the same company together and the woman found out that he 575 00:31:14,259 --> 00:31:17,535 was also dating somebody else in the company and it was like a 576 00:31:17,555 --> 00:31:18,660 little bit of an altercation. 577 00:31:18,660 --> 00:31:23,829 But yeah, like this is it's such a recognizable, relatable 578 00:31:23,911 --> 00:31:26,061 thing that I love that they interweaved it in the office. 579 00:31:26,061 --> 00:31:28,289 Plus, you have to have that for a hit TV show. 580 00:31:28,289 --> 00:31:31,209 There needs to be a Sam and Diane. 581 00:31:31,249 --> 00:31:31,830 Speaker 1: Sam and Diane. 582 00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:35,570 Well, it's so crazy that while they're crushing on each other, 583 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,287 you know she's engaged to someone who works down in the 584 00:31:38,307 --> 00:31:38,888 warehouse. 585 00:31:39,009 --> 00:31:39,471 Speaker 2: Yes. 586 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,506 Speaker 1: And so that's it. 587 00:31:41,506 --> 00:31:45,964 But you get to meet that and then so, oops, you get to meet 588 00:31:46,306 --> 00:31:49,631 Roy and he doesn't want to go out to drinks with them, and 589 00:31:49,671 --> 00:31:51,875 things like that, and I don't know so. 590 00:31:52,779 --> 00:31:54,346 Speaker 2: Roy is an idiot. 591 00:31:54,346 --> 00:31:55,048 I hate Roy. 592 00:31:55,048 --> 00:31:57,944 Well no, I love the actor. 593 00:31:57,944 --> 00:32:01,846 The actor is pretty funny, but Roy himself, he's a schlub. 594 00:32:04,551 --> 00:32:08,346 Speaker 1: Yeah, he keeps it interesting there. 595 00:32:08,346 --> 00:32:11,560 But all of them, you know I love the dynamic of all these 596 00:32:11,601 --> 00:32:14,826 people and how crazy and different and everything they 597 00:32:14,907 --> 00:32:15,028 are. 598 00:32:15,028 --> 00:32:19,181 I I think it's such a well cast show. 599 00:32:19,181 --> 00:32:25,891 And okay, phyllis, you know she , she was hired to not to be on 600 00:32:25,931 --> 00:32:29,096 screen talent, she was a casting person on the show. 601 00:32:29,096 --> 00:32:36,988 And then Toby and Ryan and oh gosh, kelly, the writers of the 602 00:32:37,028 --> 00:32:41,453 show they end up from listening to Office Ladies. 603 00:32:41,453 --> 00:32:44,857 They were moved to the back, the annex, very quickly because 604 00:32:45,458 --> 00:32:46,759 they're still having to write. 605 00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:48,726 They're sitting there in the annex areas, actually they're, 606 00:32:48,746 --> 00:32:49,327 they're still having to write. 607 00:32:49,327 --> 00:32:50,672 They're sitting there in the annex areas actually, where they 608 00:32:50,672 --> 00:32:53,540 wrote, apparently, and they're writing while they're filming in 609 00:32:53,540 --> 00:32:55,907 the other side and they didn't need the. 610 00:32:55,948 --> 00:32:57,862 You know they didn't need to be in there, they couldn't be in 611 00:32:57,922 --> 00:32:59,307 every shot and stuff like that. 612 00:32:59,368 --> 00:33:01,056 Speaker 2: So it's so it's crazy . 613 00:33:01,056 --> 00:33:03,142 I thought it was really interesting too that, like I 614 00:33:03,162 --> 00:33:07,671 think it was the director who insisted that the three of them 615 00:33:07,851 --> 00:33:12,446 be part of the show so that they understood the flow of the show 616 00:33:12,446 --> 00:33:15,532 and they understood the characters and the dial, and it 617 00:33:15,579 --> 00:33:19,673 would give them better ability to write better for the show if 618 00:33:19,692 --> 00:33:22,661 they were in the show, and which I loved. 619 00:33:22,661 --> 00:33:24,845 And Toby, oh god, who plays him ? 620 00:33:24,845 --> 00:33:25,626 Paul Lieber plays him. 621 00:33:25,626 --> 00:33:29,153 Paul Lieberstein yes, so Paul Lieberstein actually hated to be 622 00:33:29,153 --> 00:33:33,991 on camera, so any episode that he produces he's not on camera, 623 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,527 he like purposefully doesn't write himself in because he 624 00:33:36,587 --> 00:33:37,510 hates being on camera. 625 00:33:38,059 --> 00:33:42,210 But what I was going to say was so I, my team, is doing 626 00:33:42,250 --> 00:33:45,326 something very interesting this year under the same, I think, 627 00:33:45,365 --> 00:33:49,199 under the same guise is like everyone on the team has to be 628 00:33:49,239 --> 00:33:53,445 working together, and I like the idea of like the writers had to 629 00:33:53,445 --> 00:33:55,550 be on the cast too, so they understood. 630 00:33:55,550 --> 00:34:02,608 So my, our talent management team, we are starting to kind of 631 00:34:02,608 --> 00:34:05,095 trade projects now. 632 00:34:05,095 --> 00:34:11,369 So I think it's interesting, because my boss from a previous 633 00:34:11,409 --> 00:34:14,143 company was like we used to do this thing where someone would 634 00:34:14,163 --> 00:34:16,670 take something on for three years and then pass it on to 635 00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:20,188 someone else on the team and one of those. 636 00:34:20,188 --> 00:34:23,378 There's a couple of projects now that I'm being given that 637 00:34:23,418 --> 00:34:27,746 someone else on the team had before, and I think it's really 638 00:34:27,885 --> 00:34:28,447 interesting. 639 00:34:28,447 --> 00:34:32,974 First of all, my little ADHD brain is like yes, variety, 640 00:34:33,054 --> 00:34:33,835 let's do this. 641 00:34:33,835 --> 00:34:36,387 So I'm like stoked, you know. 642 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,188 But it's also very interesting where listen, I may have done it 643 00:34:41,188 --> 00:34:44,903 in a past, I haven't done it here, but now I'd like to take 644 00:34:44,965 --> 00:34:48,664 this and iterate on it, and then it just everything that we do 645 00:34:48,724 --> 00:34:52,472 as a team, like we're cross, like cross-pollinating for real, 646 00:34:52,472 --> 00:34:57,130 and I feel like there's something so good about, like so 647 00:34:57,130 --> 00:34:58,152 healthy about that. 648 00:34:58,152 --> 00:35:00,565 And I think, even as we're talking about a show like the 649 00:35:00,686 --> 00:35:02,690 Office, I think that's one of the things that made that show 650 00:35:02,731 --> 00:35:03,393 so popular. 651 00:35:03,393 --> 00:35:07,030 It's because they were like the director demanded that of them, 652 00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:10,447 like you need to do these things so you understand it, so 653 00:35:10,487 --> 00:35:14,264 that that will make you better, and we're like real world 654 00:35:14,304 --> 00:35:14,846 application. 655 00:35:14,846 --> 00:35:17,501 We're doing it on my team right now, which I think is something 656 00:35:17,501 --> 00:35:18,143 to throw out there. 657 00:35:19,465 --> 00:35:20,949 Speaker 1: Well, that's one thing I was hoping. 658 00:35:20,949 --> 00:35:24,945 I didn't think we got too much of it in episode one, but that's 659 00:35:24,945 --> 00:35:26,751 one thing I was hoping to get out of this. 660 00:35:26,751 --> 00:35:29,505 The series we're doing is on the offices. 661 00:35:29,505 --> 00:35:31,673 There are some real hr takeaways. 662 00:35:31,673 --> 00:35:33,239 Maybe not this episode. 663 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:33,922 We can. 664 00:35:34,123 --> 00:35:37,155 You know I'm teasing about all the terminable offenses yes, the 665 00:35:37,155 --> 00:35:40,766 whole the whole show, but there are some actual good hr 666 00:35:40,786 --> 00:35:44,333 takeaways that I, as we go through some future episodes, is 667 00:35:44,333 --> 00:35:46,001 I've I've thought about it in the past. 668 00:35:46,001 --> 00:35:50,588 I don't know what episode they are by season and episode number 669 00:35:50,588 --> 00:35:55,842 , but there are some really good HR takeaways in the show and I 670 00:35:56,664 --> 00:35:58,327 might get a learning opportunity out of this. 671 00:35:58,327 --> 00:35:58,748 I don't know. 672 00:35:59,471 --> 00:36:02,927 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, as I was like thinking today, I was 673 00:36:02,967 --> 00:36:05,838 like going through like these archetypes of, like these people 674 00:36:05,838 --> 00:36:07,440 that work in the office and oh, I've worked with someone like 675 00:36:07,460 --> 00:36:09,224 that, or I've worked with someone like that, or I've 676 00:36:09,264 --> 00:36:12,148 worked with someone like that I was especially thinking about 677 00:36:13,291 --> 00:36:15,994 Michael and how he's just like the person that was just 678 00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:17,445 promoted because they were good at their job. 679 00:36:17,445 --> 00:36:21,679 But, spoiler alert, ryan becomes the opposite of that and 680 00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:25,650 they demonstrate in the office the dangers and the opposite of 681 00:36:25,690 --> 00:36:30,851 that, because Ryan gets promoted as Michael's boss in later 682 00:36:30,911 --> 00:36:36,342 seasons and he's only promoted because he got his MBA but he 683 00:36:36,382 --> 00:36:40,501 has no work experience, he's never made a sale and like, 684 00:36:40,842 --> 00:36:43,431 literally, we see that shit show fall apart. 685 00:36:43,431 --> 00:36:47,088 So it's funny because, as I'm like sitting here, I'm like, oh, 686 00:36:47,088 --> 00:36:51,476 like I never even clocked that either and that they were very 687 00:36:51,536 --> 00:36:55,682 like smart in the way that they wrote this show because it was 688 00:36:55,784 --> 00:36:57,630 very real. 689 00:36:57,630 --> 00:37:02,184 Like some of these, this stuff is very real, like we combat it 690 00:37:02,224 --> 00:37:02,684 every day. 691 00:37:04,309 --> 00:37:06,242 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I just really. 692 00:37:06,242 --> 00:37:11,925 I think you know, in HR, I think it does have a special 693 00:37:12,005 --> 00:37:16,184 resonance with us, but no matter what you've done, you do in an 694 00:37:16,405 --> 00:37:18,947 office environment, whether you're a warehouse person, the 695 00:37:18,987 --> 00:37:21,853 receptionist, accounting there's someone. 696 00:37:21,853 --> 00:37:26,885 You've worked with these people and I can pretty much say I've 697 00:37:26,927 --> 00:37:29,041 worked with a Stanley, I've worked with a Phyllis, I've 698 00:37:29,081 --> 00:37:33,556 worked with every single one of these type of people to some 699 00:37:33,597 --> 00:37:34,340 degree or another. 700 00:37:34,340 --> 00:37:37,307 And if you've been in the workplace more than a couple of 701 00:37:37,347 --> 00:37:39,943 years, you probably have too, and that's what makes it so 702 00:37:40,003 --> 00:37:43,621 relatable and so you know followable, and then, of course, 703 00:37:43,621 --> 00:37:47,452 you know the storylines develop and it keeps you entrapped too. 704 00:37:47,579 --> 00:37:53,021 But yeah, you've worked with these people, you've been in 705 00:37:53,041 --> 00:37:54,043 these situations and and things like that. 706 00:37:54,043 --> 00:37:57,429 Oh, one other thing I wanted to bring up about season one of 707 00:37:57,469 --> 00:37:59,501 the office kevin's voice. 708 00:37:59,501 --> 00:38:05,034 Kevin uses his real voice in season one and I think there was 709 00:38:05,034 --> 00:38:08,322 like a nine month break between season one and season two and 710 00:38:08,362 --> 00:38:13,853 then he starts using the the stranger, weirder voice is 711 00:38:13,893 --> 00:38:16,324 something I've picked up multiple times before. 712 00:38:16,324 --> 00:38:18,210 So yeah, he started. 713 00:38:18,210 --> 00:38:22,362 I think it's season two he'll start using the weird voice 714 00:38:22,643 --> 00:38:23,746 that's funny. 715 00:38:23,885 --> 00:38:26,813 I've never noticed that and I've watched the show so many times 716 00:38:28,003 --> 00:38:31,456 oh, watch, watch episode one again and then go back and watch 717 00:38:31,456 --> 00:38:34,643 something from the later seasons and when he, when he 718 00:38:34,684 --> 00:38:38,791 does, yeah, they change his, his voice in there. 719 00:38:38,851 --> 00:38:40,373 Speaker 2: So that's so good. 720 00:38:40,373 --> 00:38:44,847 Well, I will just say that you know, as the the one thing I do 721 00:38:44,889 --> 00:38:47,081 like how the show just kind of ends, is that michael. 722 00:38:47,081 --> 00:38:48,302 Michael is feeling bad. 723 00:38:48,302 --> 00:38:51,751 He's just ruined the morale of the entire office with his 724 00:38:52,050 --> 00:38:53,134 stupidity and his big mouth. 725 00:38:53,134 --> 00:39:01,047 But Jim does end up putting his mug in the Jello and I always 726 00:39:01,128 --> 00:39:03,056 consider so here's kind of what we're talking about. 727 00:39:03,056 --> 00:39:03,960 Is Jim being the bully? 728 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:09,802 I think he's a bully toward Dwight, but I think when he 729 00:39:09,842 --> 00:39:16,501 pranks Michael it's out of like, love, like because Michael, I 730 00:39:16,541 --> 00:39:19,307 think Michael can communicate at that level and if you prank 731 00:39:19,389 --> 00:39:24,626 Michael to a certain extent, like he like he either doesn't 732 00:39:24,666 --> 00:39:29,313 get it so it goes over his head, or if he does get it, like I 733 00:39:29,333 --> 00:39:32,521 don't know, it's kind of like he's there for the jokes, he's 734 00:39:32,541 --> 00:39:33,505 there for the good time. 735 00:39:33,505 --> 00:39:37,568 So that's why I'm like when Jim does it, it's almost like he's 736 00:39:37,628 --> 00:39:40,844 doing it out of an empathetic way, like putting his jello in 737 00:39:40,884 --> 00:39:43,891 there and like it'll probably put a smile on his face the next 738 00:39:43,891 --> 00:39:44,132 day. 739 00:39:45,561 --> 00:39:47,907 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking he's doing it because he doesn't 740 00:39:47,907 --> 00:39:49,251 want Michael to feel left out too. 741 00:39:49,251 --> 00:39:53,208 I think he's got a soft spot for Michael, because if 742 00:39:53,228 --> 00:39:56,425 Michael's feelings get hurt very easily and we're going to see 743 00:39:56,865 --> 00:40:01,688 many accounts of that but before we get to that final mug in the 744 00:40:01,688 --> 00:40:05,577 jello there's a scene where Michael's talking directly to 745 00:40:05,637 --> 00:40:10,391 the camera and he says I'm their friend first. 746 00:40:10,391 --> 00:40:11,706 He says I'm their manager. 747 00:40:11,706 --> 00:40:13,619 Second, he says I'm their second, their manager second. 748 00:40:13,619 --> 00:40:15,885 And then I'm an entertainer third. 749 00:40:16,226 --> 00:40:16,929 Speaker 2: That's what it is. 750 00:40:16,989 --> 00:40:21,028 Speaker 1: Yes, and we've all been with maybe a manager. 751 00:40:21,028 --> 00:40:23,248 Either we've had a manager or an HR. 752 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,027 We've had to deal with managers who want to be people's friends 753 00:40:26,208 --> 00:40:31,568 first yes, and that is sort of the crux, beyond promoting 754 00:40:31,628 --> 00:40:34,693 somebody because they're good at their task or their job to a 755 00:40:34,773 --> 00:40:37,668 manager, that's sort of the crux of the whole show. 756 00:40:37,668 --> 00:40:43,532 He cannot be an effective manager because he wants to be 757 00:40:43,572 --> 00:40:49,286 their friend, he wants to play with them and yeah, how does 758 00:40:49,306 --> 00:40:50,610 yeah? 759 00:40:50,610 --> 00:40:51,012 Exactly. 760 00:40:51,012 --> 00:40:54,911 He wants to be their friend first and that's we've. 761 00:40:54,911 --> 00:40:57,728 You've either been there or you've been hr. 762 00:40:57,728 --> 00:40:58,875 You've dealt with somebody who. 763 00:40:58,875 --> 00:41:01,925 That's what their, their goal is and yeah, that sort of 764 00:41:01,985 --> 00:41:04,972 describes michael scott that you're going to, we're going to 765 00:41:04,992 --> 00:41:07,603 be covering the whole, the whole way through. 766 00:41:07,784 --> 00:41:10,608 Speaker 2: so yeah, and we learned we do learn later that 767 00:41:10,768 --> 00:41:15,262 his old manager, Ed Truck, he didn't like his old manager at 768 00:41:15,463 --> 00:41:18,389 all because his old manager was a leader who-. 769 00:41:18,568 --> 00:41:19,170 Speaker 1: Was a manager. 770 00:41:19,170 --> 00:41:20,413 He was a manager. 771 00:41:20,532 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 2: He had accountability . 772 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,903 He was there to clock in, lead his team, lead them well and 773 00:41:26,943 --> 00:41:27,483 clock out. 774 00:41:27,483 --> 00:41:29,829 And Michael Did not like it. 775 00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:32,306 And it's just funny because, you're right, he just wants to 776 00:41:32,327 --> 00:41:35,655 be their friend and he has no boundaries, so yeah, Yep, no 777 00:41:35,695 --> 00:41:36,157 boundaries. 778 00:41:36,284 --> 00:41:39,949 Speaker 1: Yes, that's another reoccurring thing no boundaries 779 00:41:40,271 --> 00:41:41,936 at all period, end of story. 780 00:41:41,936 --> 00:41:45,135 I think that goes through the whole show. 781 00:41:45,135 --> 00:41:47,672 A lot of the characters, no boundaries. 782 00:41:47,672 --> 00:41:54,934 But yeah, I think this was a really good first episode of our 783 00:41:54,934 --> 00:41:59,708 first take at the Office rewatch, and so I'm assuming 784 00:41:59,728 --> 00:42:01,875 we're doing episode two next week. 785 00:42:02,416 --> 00:42:04,693 Speaker 2: Yes, next month, I should say Next month. 786 00:42:05,786 --> 00:42:08,815 Speaker 1: It'll be the third episode of every month will be 787 00:42:09,094 --> 00:42:11,148 one of these rewatches, so episode two. 788 00:42:11,148 --> 00:42:12,773 I don't see. 789 00:42:13,266 --> 00:42:16,427 Speaker 2: Episode two is diversity day, so that's 790 00:42:16,467 --> 00:42:17,329 diversity, okay. 791 00:42:17,889 --> 00:42:20,034 Speaker 1: Is that the sexual harassment one, or is that 792 00:42:20,054 --> 00:42:20,556 diverse? 793 00:42:20,556 --> 00:42:23,652 I don't remember diversity day. 794 00:42:26,307 --> 00:42:28,831 Speaker 2: I know I'm pretty sure the second one is diversity 795 00:42:28,831 --> 00:42:34,677 day and they have to like wear the cards on the head yes yeah 796 00:42:34,797 --> 00:42:41,411 and now, okay, disclaimer here they do a lot of things that you 797 00:42:41,411 --> 00:42:41,550 know. 798 00:42:41,791 --> 00:42:44,617 Speaker 1: The show aired 20 years ago yes, thank you things 799 00:42:44,637 --> 00:42:49,652 that they would not do on tv today unless it was like on, you 800 00:42:49,652 --> 00:42:53,237 know, hbo, like behind a paywall. 801 00:42:53,237 --> 00:42:58,478 You're not going to do this on on-the-air TV anymore and we're 802 00:42:58,498 --> 00:43:00,514 going to cover some of these things that are maybe not 803 00:43:00,576 --> 00:43:07,027 politically correct or have aged very poorly over years as 804 00:43:07,128 --> 00:43:10,447 sensitivities has changed, but we're going to cover it and just 805 00:43:10,447 --> 00:43:13,730 know we're covering the show and not making any social 806 00:43:14,751 --> 00:43:15,875 context of it. 807 00:43:15,875 --> 00:43:16,878 Yeah, yeah. 808 00:43:16,985 --> 00:43:18,905 Speaker 2: And thanks for pointing that out, Because there 809 00:43:18,905 --> 00:43:20,708 are, like Diversity Day is. 810 00:43:20,708 --> 00:43:24,275 It is very cringy because you're right, if that was filmed 811 00:43:24,275 --> 00:43:26,579 today, it would have been filmed very differently. 812 00:43:26,579 --> 00:43:28,989 At the same time, like remembering, we're watching this 813 00:43:28,989 --> 00:43:31,695 through the lens of 2005,. 814 00:43:31,695 --> 00:43:35,012 So things have changed, but it is, at the same time, just a 815 00:43:35,065 --> 00:43:35,927 classic episode. 816 00:43:35,927 --> 00:43:37,128 So I don't it is. 817 00:43:37,289 --> 00:43:40,936 Speaker 1: It is a classic episode so, yeah, I hope you've 818 00:43:40,956 --> 00:43:41,277 enjoyed it. 819 00:43:41,277 --> 00:43:45,057 Give us your feedback on this episode and if there's any input 820 00:43:45,057 --> 00:43:47,306 , uh, you know already that we're going to be covering 821 00:43:47,766 --> 00:43:52,695 episode two in a month from now, so get in contact us on all 822 00:43:52,735 --> 00:43:53,335 sorts of ways. 823 00:43:53,335 --> 00:43:56,867 Are in our the, the show notes, the, the links to get in touch 824 00:43:56,887 --> 00:44:00,295 with us on instagram, email us, text us all those fun things. 825 00:44:00,295 --> 00:44:03,431 I think this is going to be a great way to be interactive with 826 00:44:03,431 --> 00:44:06,628 y'all a little bit more, and if you're on patreon and support 827 00:44:06,648 --> 00:44:08,411 us on patreon, you can put a chat. 828 00:44:08,411 --> 00:44:11,206 I've been trying to look at that every week, at least once a 829 00:44:11,206 --> 00:44:13,952 week, to see if there's anybody else putting some information 830 00:44:14,012 --> 00:44:14,351 out there. 831 00:44:14,351 --> 00:44:17,056 So, uh, yeah, please, please, check it out. 832 00:44:17,056 --> 00:44:18,565 But this is, this has been a lot of fun. 833 00:44:18,565 --> 00:44:18,925 This is. 834 00:44:18,925 --> 00:44:21,932 I hope this will just continue to blow up as well as I. 835 00:44:22,996 --> 00:44:25,487 Speaker 2: There's gonna be some great hr implications here, 836 00:44:25,608 --> 00:44:29,436 yeah yes and like, if you have anything else, you want us, you 837 00:44:29,476 --> 00:44:33,012 want us to like look at, just send us a, send us a request. 838 00:44:33,012 --> 00:44:36,608 I do, I'm I'm chomping at the butt to do office space at some 839 00:44:36,648 --> 00:44:42,137 point, because that is a great movie one, one scene we did not 840 00:44:42,177 --> 00:44:47,014 bring up, and I think it's really important michael's doing 841 00:44:47,014 --> 00:44:47,675 this. 842 00:44:47,835 --> 00:44:51,269 Speaker 1: He brings up the six million dollar man oh my god and 843 00:44:51,269 --> 00:44:53,777 then he goes that sounds like a good salary for me. 844 00:44:53,777 --> 00:44:56,496 And and Pam goes yeah, we could . 845 00:44:56,496 --> 00:44:58,264 She says something I forget exactly. 846 00:44:58,304 --> 00:44:59,349 Speaker 2: We could all use a raise. 847 00:45:00,164 --> 00:45:01,208 Speaker 1: You could all use a raise. 848 00:45:01,510 --> 00:45:03,074 Speaker 2: Yeah, so innocuous. 849 00:45:04,525 --> 00:45:06,431 Speaker 1: If you have a problem with your compensation, you can 850 00:45:06,431 --> 00:45:07,094 take it up with HR. 851 00:45:07,094 --> 00:45:13,313 And that hearing that again today was sort of a trigger for 852 00:45:13,393 --> 00:45:16,219 me, because that's what bad managers do. 853 00:45:16,219 --> 00:45:18,471 That's not an HR thing. 854 00:45:19,166 --> 00:45:23,246 Hr does not determine salaries, it does not we might set the 855 00:45:23,306 --> 00:45:29,309 range or provide the range what it is, and if they go outside, 856 00:45:29,351 --> 00:45:31,824 sometimes that happens, but we provide the range. 857 00:45:31,824 --> 00:45:34,851 But the individual managers are the ones saying sorry. 858 00:45:34,851 --> 00:45:38,099 And to hear a manager say, if you have a problem with your 859 00:45:38,125 --> 00:45:40,231 compensation, talk to hr versus. 860 00:45:40,231 --> 00:45:43,380 Oh well, you know, once again we're. 861 00:45:43,380 --> 00:45:46,327 We're putting real world, trying to put real world common 862 00:45:46,367 --> 00:45:48,875 sense into michael scott, but oh , you want to. 863 00:45:48,875 --> 00:45:50,786 Would you like to have a further discussion? 864 00:45:50,786 --> 00:45:52,231 What can we talk about about this? 865 00:45:52,251 --> 00:45:54,155 Speaker 2: yeah, put time on my calendar if you like to have a 866 00:45:54,175 --> 00:45:54,777 further discussion. 867 00:45:54,777 --> 00:45:55,458 What can we talk about? 868 00:45:55,458 --> 00:45:55,960 About this? 869 00:45:55,980 --> 00:45:57,043 Speaker 1: Yeah, put time on my calendar if you want to talk 870 00:45:57,063 --> 00:45:57,244 about it. 871 00:45:57,244 --> 00:45:57,804 Yeah, put time on. 872 00:45:57,804 --> 00:46:01,248 Don't send a fax, don't send a fax. 873 00:46:01,248 --> 00:46:04,527 Oh, and that's another thing, Because it's 20 years ago. 874 00:46:04,527 --> 00:46:06,693 There's so many dated references. 875 00:46:06,693 --> 00:46:10,833 We're going to have Faxes being one of them for these dated 876 00:46:10,893 --> 00:46:11,494 references. 877 00:46:11,655 --> 00:46:11,976 Speaker 2: Yeah. 878 00:46:12,076 --> 00:46:13,199 Speaker 1: Yeah. 879 00:46:16,144 --> 00:46:17,070 Speaker 2: It's going gonna be interesting, yeah, very 880 00:46:17,090 --> 00:46:17,371 interesting. 881 00:46:17,371 --> 00:46:18,797 Like and here's the funny thing , though and I don't know if you 882 00:46:18,797 --> 00:46:22,088 ever like thought about this, but I think this is true of this 883 00:46:22,088 --> 00:46:26,478 show and then of like, also like seinfeld comes to mind like 884 00:46:26,478 --> 00:46:29,110 there are certain plot points that will not, could not be able 885 00:46:29,110 --> 00:46:33,802 to happen in today's day and age, and like, I think of, like 886 00:46:33,862 --> 00:46:36,389 if they would ever do a workplace comedy and a corporate 887 00:46:36,389 --> 00:46:40,862 thing like it's like some of this might not resonate with 888 00:46:40,902 --> 00:46:45,612 some younger viewers because they started working and yeah, 889 00:46:46,434 --> 00:46:46,695 and like. 890 00:46:46,695 --> 00:46:48,666 That's the thing that like blows my mind and I was thinking 891 00:46:48,666 --> 00:46:52,193 about that today like if someone was on the band I know, 892 00:46:52,414 --> 00:46:55,327 I know friends is very big right now with Gen Z, which, by the 893 00:46:55,347 --> 00:46:57,331 way, I hated friends, I'm gonna say it. 894 00:46:57,331 --> 00:47:00,730 I thought it was a stupid show, but whatever one of my 895 00:47:00,789 --> 00:47:01,170 favorites. 896 00:47:01,210 --> 00:47:03,416 I watched it wasn't one of my favorites, it was a little 897 00:47:03,436 --> 00:47:06,811 boring, but whatever but yeah, if you've never worked in an 898 00:47:06,911 --> 00:47:10,338 office, some of this may not be relatable, but I think a lot of 899 00:47:10,364 --> 00:47:13,353 the other stuff is like the annoying co-worker, the inept 900 00:47:13,414 --> 00:47:15,309 manager, like that stuff. 901 00:47:15,309 --> 00:47:18,157 But those interactions that you have in the office and like 902 00:47:18,679 --> 00:47:22,349 office olympics, for example, like that stuff could never 903 00:47:22,389 --> 00:47:25,617 happen if you were like to make this in this day and age. 904 00:47:25,717 --> 00:47:28,108 Speaker 1: So it's just something, something to think 905 00:47:28,148 --> 00:47:34,956 about yep, yep, I think we'll end it there yeah and, uh, 906 00:47:35,318 --> 00:47:38,208 remember to send us your feedback for episode season one, 907 00:47:38,208 --> 00:47:42,302 episode two, and we'll have some gems in there and every 908 00:47:42,322 --> 00:47:44,307 once in a while, like I said, we might throw in a different type 909 00:47:44,307 --> 00:47:44,608 of thing. 910 00:47:44,608 --> 00:47:47,867 We'll let you know in advance, I think that the week before 911 00:47:47,967 --> 00:47:51,460 we'll, if we're, we'll announce, I think, the the episode, the 912 00:47:51,521 --> 00:47:53,748 regular episode, before we'll say, hey, next week's episode 913 00:47:53,768 --> 00:47:56,126 we're covering whatever it is, because we may skip some 914 00:47:56,186 --> 00:48:00,554 episodes because not all of them are going to be, you know, hr 915 00:48:01,014 --> 00:48:05,289 relatable in a way that we can talk about, or we might, I don't 916 00:48:05,289 --> 00:48:07,869 know we may skip some episodes, not saying we will, but we may 917 00:48:08,465 --> 00:48:09,449 Because there's what? 918 00:48:09,449 --> 00:48:11,199 10 seasons or 15? 919 00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:11,943 , I forget how many seasons. 920 00:48:12,065 --> 00:48:13,056 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're doing one a month and there's 10 seasons 921 00:48:12,983 --> 00:48:13,789 or 15, I forget how many seasons . 922 00:48:13,789 --> 00:48:14,958 Yeah, we're doing, we're doing once, one a month and there's 10 923 00:48:14,958 --> 00:48:15,679 seasons. 924 00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:17,722 So we're gonna we're gonna have to be a little. 925 00:48:17,722 --> 00:48:21,873 We're gonna have to pick and choose yeah, exactly, exactly. 926 00:48:21,932 --> 00:48:23,697 Speaker 1: I'll be retired before we hit them all at one a 927 00:48:23,717 --> 00:48:29,092 month, uh so, but hey, maybe this takes off and this becomes 928 00:48:29,132 --> 00:48:31,175 the primary show, I know right. 929 00:48:31,175 --> 00:48:34,581 Well, thank you for listening. 930 00:48:34,581 --> 00:48:37,835 As always, we're here to help you survive HR. 931 00:48:37,835 --> 00:48:41,114 One what-the-fuck moment at a time, yeah,