1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:00:02,666 Speaker 1: you are about to listen to could contain explicit 2 00:00:02,666 --> 00:00:04,671 language and offensive content. 3 00:00:04,671 --> 00:00:09,307 These HR experts' views are not representative of their past, 4 00:00:09,669 --> 00:00:11,412 present or future employers. 5 00:00:11,412 --> 00:00:14,548 If you have ever heard, my manager is unfair to me. 6 00:00:14,548 --> 00:00:18,390 I need you to reset my HR portal password. 7 00:00:18,390 --> 00:00:21,408 Or Can I write up my employee for crying too much? 8 00:00:21,879 --> 00:00:23,707 Speaker 2: Welcome to our little safe zone. 9 00:00:23,707 --> 00:00:56,494 Welcome to Jaded HR, the podcast by two HR professionals 10 00:00:56,515 --> 00:00:58,637 who want to help you get through the workday by saying 11 00:00:58,697 --> 00:01:00,436 everything you're thinking, but say it out loud. 12 00:01:00,436 --> 00:01:01,378 I'm Warren. 13 00:01:02,198 --> 00:01:08,641 I'm Cece it out loud I'm Warren, I'm Cece and I'm apologizing 14 00:01:08,662 --> 00:01:10,266 for the horrible, horrible audio in the last two episodes. 15 00:01:10,266 --> 00:01:14,153 So big secret, sometimes we record more than one at a time, 16 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:22,036 so we can actually live life a little, and apparently I was. 17 00:01:22,036 --> 00:01:25,465 I'm assuming I was using my headphone microphones rather 18 00:01:25,484 --> 00:01:29,661 than my awesome Samsung Q2A or whatever it is, but anyways, 19 00:01:30,605 --> 00:01:31,168 awful audio. 20 00:01:31,168 --> 00:01:32,920 Hopefully today this will be better. 21 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,349 I'm looking at a little chart of my voice and it's getting up 22 00:01:36,370 --> 00:01:39,688 to the yellows, so I'm thinking it might be better this time. 23 00:01:39,688 --> 00:01:42,248 So apologies apologies, apologies. 24 00:01:42,819 --> 00:01:44,825 Speaker 1: And I want to apologize because I'm not sure 25 00:01:45,427 --> 00:01:47,980 if it was me or the mic situation last week, but I 26 00:01:48,001 --> 00:01:52,784 didn't realize how loud I talk and I should have taken a clue 27 00:01:53,387 --> 00:01:56,164 when I talked to my husband the other day and he was like you're 28 00:01:56,164 --> 00:02:01,992 so loud, it's just the two of us, but I'm a projector, so I 29 00:02:02,052 --> 00:02:04,240 apologize if I blew your eardrums off because I was 30 00:02:04,301 --> 00:02:07,429 listening to the last recording and I'm like gosh, my mic 31 00:02:07,468 --> 00:02:08,651 technique needs to get better. 32 00:02:10,621 --> 00:02:13,707 Speaker 2: Well, speaking of people being, I think I 33 00:02:13,728 --> 00:02:16,073 mentioned before, we just started watching Modern Family 34 00:02:16,500 --> 00:02:18,908 and after a few episodes my wife has to turn it off. 35 00:02:18,908 --> 00:02:20,646 She says I can't stand all the yelling. 36 00:02:20,646 --> 00:02:23,550 I can't stand all the yelling. 37 00:02:23,550 --> 00:02:26,741 So we're almost through with that show, so we're going to be 38 00:02:26,820 --> 00:02:29,104 on to our next very, very soon. 39 00:02:29,104 --> 00:02:34,360 So well, we actually did our homework a little bit this week 40 00:02:34,420 --> 00:02:36,806 and have some topics to talk about. 41 00:02:36,806 --> 00:02:42,364 But I also wanted to bring up one other thing, a social media 42 00:02:42,825 --> 00:02:43,669 sour grapes thing. 43 00:02:43,669 --> 00:02:47,463 I'm to, I think I don't think I know I saved it sour grapes 44 00:02:48,366 --> 00:02:50,290 yeah, so I. 45 00:02:50,692 --> 00:02:51,754 There's a new car. 46 00:02:51,754 --> 00:02:58,812 Scout Motors is coming out with new cars in 2026 or maybe 2027, 47 00:02:58,812 --> 00:03:03,544 and so I've been following Scout Motors online because I'm 48 00:03:03,685 --> 00:03:05,911 most likely going to be buying one. 49 00:03:05,911 --> 00:03:10,366 I don't buy the car the first year it comes out, but the 50 00:03:10,407 --> 00:03:15,073 second year I'm going to buy one of them because I really like 51 00:03:15,275 --> 00:03:16,120 everything I've seen about it. 52 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,150 Well, I follow them on all their little social medias. 53 00:03:19,150 --> 00:03:23,530 This one dude they're talking about the new two Scout vehicles 54 00:03:23,530 --> 00:03:23,972 that have come out. 55 00:03:23,972 --> 00:03:27,626 One's an SUVv, one's a pickup truck and he's. 56 00:03:27,626 --> 00:03:31,516 And one thing I like about scout motors they're engaging 57 00:03:31,597 --> 00:03:34,724 with the people who follow them on social media and if you make 58 00:03:34,765 --> 00:03:36,911 a comment, a lot of times they're going to comment back 59 00:03:37,192 --> 00:03:41,775 and they answer questions and it's, you know, for a product 60 00:03:41,814 --> 00:03:43,942 that's not on the market yet might not be out of the market 61 00:03:43,981 --> 00:03:44,463 for two years. 62 00:03:44,463 --> 00:03:46,591 I I think it's really, really cool. 63 00:03:46,591 --> 00:03:48,187 So I'm following him on social media. 64 00:03:48,187 --> 00:03:52,429 And this one dude he gets online and he's listed as a top 65 00:03:52,508 --> 00:03:52,971 fan. 66 00:03:52,971 --> 00:03:54,032 This is from Facebook. 67 00:03:55,984 --> 00:03:57,890 It's been a real disappointing week for Scout. 68 00:03:57,890 --> 00:04:00,706 As an experienced engineer working the automotive, I was 69 00:04:00,847 --> 00:04:02,692 discarded as a potential employee. 70 00:04:02,692 --> 00:04:05,044 From what I feel, it's just a simple difference on how 71 00:04:05,205 --> 00:04:06,868 automakers launch their new vehicles. 72 00:04:06,868 --> 00:04:08,292 I keep my pride. 73 00:04:08,292 --> 00:04:12,145 However, scout needs to understand their loss and I was 74 00:04:12,164 --> 00:04:19,514 like maybe this dude is just completely deep. 75 00:04:19,514 --> 00:04:23,464 You know, maybe you didn't get hired this time you plug into 76 00:04:23,485 --> 00:04:27,310 the next opportunity, or maybe when I'm recruiting I've had I 77 00:04:28,252 --> 00:04:32,524 can't count the number of candidates they didn't work this 78 00:04:32,524 --> 00:04:32,867 job. 79 00:04:32,867 --> 00:04:36,221 Right now I call them back when I have another and guess who 80 00:04:36,302 --> 00:04:37,648 wouldn't be getting a call back. 81 00:04:37,961 --> 00:04:42,550 It's like I said this that guy, he, this, this company, they're 82 00:04:42,730 --> 00:04:45,797 active on it there, they respond , they, they, they. 83 00:04:45,797 --> 00:04:47,305 They didn't respond to his message. 84 00:04:47,305 --> 00:04:48,911 A lot of other people did. 85 00:04:48,911 --> 00:04:51,380 It looks like are you disappointed because you weren't 86 00:04:51,380 --> 00:04:51,762 hired? 87 00:04:51,762 --> 00:04:55,269 It sounds like it's not Scout's loss, but people are. 88 00:04:55,269 --> 00:04:56,632 You know just why? 89 00:04:56,632 --> 00:04:59,341 Just you know why? 90 00:04:59,341 --> 00:05:02,687 A lot of the stuff are on this? 91 00:05:02,726 --> 00:05:05,911 Because Scout is an electric vehicle and a lot of people are. 92 00:05:05,911 --> 00:05:06,430 You know. 93 00:05:06,430 --> 00:05:11,423 Oh too bad, this is an EV, it would be great if it had a Turbo 94 00:05:11,423 --> 00:05:13,310 6 and all these other things. 95 00:05:13,310 --> 00:05:17,732 People are disparaging it, but they're in there sometimes. 96 00:05:17,732 --> 00:05:18,865 Oh well, we do. 97 00:05:18,865 --> 00:05:22,944 They respond in kind, but anyways, I just thought really, 98 00:05:23,285 --> 00:05:28,714 why go on their product page to bitch and moan about it? 99 00:05:28,714 --> 00:05:35,293 Anyways, I was saying he's an electrical engineer. 100 00:05:35,293 --> 00:05:36,545 I hire electrical engineers. 101 00:05:36,545 --> 00:05:38,021 He's going to make me think toys about. 102 00:05:38,021 --> 00:05:43,951 You know, if our recruiter is I , she sees me on all her resume 103 00:05:43,971 --> 00:05:47,882 submissions and I peak at about 60, 70% of them. 104 00:05:47,882 --> 00:05:49,648 I don't read the resumes but I'm like, oh, that's a good 105 00:05:49,668 --> 00:05:50,028 resume. 106 00:05:50,028 --> 00:05:52,345 I, you know, I want to say, hey , this is a good resume, I like 107 00:05:52,365 --> 00:05:53,848 this good work and things like that. 108 00:05:53,848 --> 00:05:56,302 I don't, I'm not involved in the hiring process, I just like 109 00:05:56,341 --> 00:06:00,706 to look and so I would probably say, whoa, let's talk about this 110 00:06:00,706 --> 00:06:03,288 dude before we get too far along. 111 00:06:03,288 --> 00:06:05,170 So that's awesome. 112 00:06:05,170 --> 00:06:05,730 Social media. 113 00:06:05,750 --> 00:06:06,331 Speaker 1: There is a. 114 00:06:06,331 --> 00:06:10,255 There's a podcast for anyone non HR related that I just like 115 00:06:10,276 --> 00:06:10,995 to throw out there. 116 00:06:10,995 --> 00:06:17,230 If you, if you're a big fan of examining the psychology of what 117 00:06:17,230 --> 00:06:22,961 people put in reviews and kind of the stupidity that people 118 00:06:23,021 --> 00:06:24,262 write in reviews online, a great podcast is my stupid or your 119 00:06:24,283 --> 00:06:24,783 stupid opinion Great. 120 00:06:24,783 --> 00:06:26,605 And kind of the stupidity that people write in reviews online A 121 00:06:26,605 --> 00:06:28,625 great podcast is your stupid opinion Great. 122 00:06:28,625 --> 00:06:30,187 I'm not affiliated with them. 123 00:06:30,187 --> 00:06:35,689 I enjoy it every week, so imagine all that stuff, but just 124 00:06:35,689 --> 00:06:36,269 a podcast. 125 00:06:36,269 --> 00:06:38,672 So if you're looking for something non-HR related to 126 00:06:38,732 --> 00:06:41,492 cleanse your palate, your stupid opinion is great. 127 00:06:42,334 --> 00:06:43,435 Speaker 2: I just wrote it down. 128 00:06:43,435 --> 00:06:44,855 I'm going to check that out. 129 00:06:44,855 --> 00:06:48,958 As I tell you, I recently went through and I purged my podcast 130 00:06:49,017 --> 00:06:49,257 list. 131 00:06:49,257 --> 00:06:54,581 It's things that I'm not enjoying anymore for various 132 00:06:54,601 --> 00:06:57,706 reasons, and one of my very, very favorite podcasts overall, 133 00:06:57,766 --> 00:06:58,408 by topic. 134 00:06:58,408 --> 00:07:02,975 It's like their audio quality is so much and they have credits 135 00:07:02,975 --> 00:07:04,567 and our producer is da-da-da-da . 136 00:07:04,567 --> 00:07:07,228 I'm like your producer must be a six-year-old. 137 00:07:07,228 --> 00:07:08,533 This is even my. 138 00:07:08,533 --> 00:07:11,624 Our last two weeks episodes sound a lot better than any of 139 00:07:11,644 --> 00:07:15,134 their episodes and I'm just so close to calling it quits as 140 00:07:15,194 --> 00:07:15,314 it's. 141 00:07:15,314 --> 00:07:17,744 It's so I've turned off episodes in the middle. 142 00:07:17,744 --> 00:07:18,668 That I'm interested in is. 143 00:07:18,668 --> 00:07:22,060 I just can't listen to it anymore but they, they don't 144 00:07:22,201 --> 00:07:23,122 record anymore. 145 00:07:23,524 --> 00:07:23,884 Speaker 1: what is it? 146 00:07:23,884 --> 00:07:25,166 The oh, oh the podcast? 147 00:07:25,166 --> 00:07:26,629 It's an HR podcast. 148 00:07:27,471 --> 00:07:28,012 Speaker 2: HR Famous. 149 00:07:29,033 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: HR Famous Tim. 150 00:07:29,980 --> 00:07:31,464 Speaker 2: Sackett, and JD. 151 00:07:31,464 --> 00:07:33,028 And oh gosh, who's the third? 152 00:07:33,028 --> 00:07:34,012 Lee Lee Lee. 153 00:07:36,365 --> 00:07:38,571 Speaker 1: So I loved their content. 154 00:07:38,571 --> 00:07:42,024 Yes, but Lee had to get a microphone. 155 00:07:42,024 --> 00:07:45,271 Like I would listen to that podcast and I'm one to talk 156 00:07:45,331 --> 00:07:48,125 because I'm like shouting into a microphone and I apologize if I 157 00:07:48,125 --> 00:07:51,322 was doing that, but but I think she was like recording from 158 00:07:51,843 --> 00:07:56,492 like old fashioned plug in earbuds because I just wanted to 159 00:07:56,492 --> 00:07:57,980 scream every time I listened. 160 00:07:57,980 --> 00:08:01,108 I'm like everything you're saying is valid and amazing, 161 00:08:01,149 --> 00:08:02,432 great content, fun. 162 00:08:02,432 --> 00:08:04,122 Get a better mic. 163 00:08:05,245 --> 00:08:06,348 Speaker 2: Yes. 164 00:08:06,689 --> 00:08:09,103 Speaker 1: You're a VP of a company, you can afford a better 165 00:08:09,103 --> 00:08:09,444 mic. 166 00:08:10,389 --> 00:08:12,476 Speaker 2: Well, I think they would do their podcast. 167 00:08:12,476 --> 00:08:14,564 I remember him saying once upon a time and they just went off 168 00:08:14,584 --> 00:08:19,060 the air and I am very upset about that but they would just 169 00:08:19,081 --> 00:08:21,170 do it either early in the morning before they start their 170 00:08:21,189 --> 00:08:23,841 day, or during lunch or something that you know they 171 00:08:23,860 --> 00:08:27,026 were just squeezing it in when they can. 172 00:08:27,026 --> 00:08:31,153 But you know, I'm down to I don't know how many podcasts on 173 00:08:31,173 --> 00:08:33,485 my three, six, nine, 12, 15. 174 00:08:33,485 --> 00:08:37,961 I'm down to like 18 podcasts, but I still have on here hostile 175 00:08:37,961 --> 00:08:41,514 work environment and where they haven't recorded in forever. 176 00:08:41,514 --> 00:08:44,846 Surfing corporate they haven't recorded in forever. 177 00:08:44,846 --> 00:08:48,427 And then you have but yeah, I've just purged a whole bunch, 178 00:08:48,447 --> 00:08:49,210 just got rid of them. 179 00:08:49,591 --> 00:08:52,902 But everyone's one like server not serving corporate well, they 180 00:08:52,902 --> 00:08:53,524 did the same thing. 181 00:08:53,524 --> 00:08:55,701 But also work environment they went there for like two years 182 00:08:55,740 --> 00:08:57,826 and then all of a sudden, because I still had it in my 183 00:08:57,846 --> 00:09:00,520 list, I'm listening and the next one up is is them. 184 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,525 I'm like whoa great, and then they're. 185 00:09:02,525 --> 00:09:05,712 So I keep it there, but I hope that they'll come back. 186 00:09:05,712 --> 00:09:10,808 So, mark and Kate, if you ever listen to us at all, we had Kate 187 00:09:10,808 --> 00:09:11,951 on one time. 188 00:09:11,951 --> 00:09:13,640 Bring it back, please. 189 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:14,442 But anyways. 190 00:09:15,706 --> 00:09:17,730 Speaker 1: So I'm laughing because, speaking of which and 191 00:09:17,750 --> 00:09:21,586 then we can get into the meaty HRE conversation. 192 00:09:21,586 --> 00:09:25,736 But I did have a moment where I was just being very chatty. 193 00:09:25,736 --> 00:09:31,028 I think my ADHD got the best of me and I overshared and I ended 194 00:09:31,028 --> 00:09:34,480 up telling my boss about this and he wrote it down. 195 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,169 So if my manager's listening, hi and don't hold anything 196 00:09:38,210 --> 00:09:38,991 against me, Thanks. 197 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,023 Speaker 2: Oh, so your boss knows you're on the show now. 198 00:09:43,043 --> 00:09:45,164 Speaker 1: Oh so your boss knows you're on the show now. 199 00:09:45,164 --> 00:09:50,070 He was like asking about like HR podcasts to listen to and I 200 00:09:50,090 --> 00:09:50,610 was like wow. 201 00:09:51,471 --> 00:09:51,951 Speaker 2: Promote. 202 00:09:53,173 --> 00:09:53,854 Speaker 1: There we go. 203 00:09:53,854 --> 00:09:56,297 And then afterward I was like was that smart? 204 00:09:56,297 --> 00:09:57,981 But it's fine, I don't. 205 00:09:57,981 --> 00:09:59,505 It's not like. 206 00:09:59,505 --> 00:10:02,413 I mean, I speak very highly of my company and my manager, so 207 00:10:02,432 --> 00:10:02,934 we're fine, we're fine. 208 00:10:02,934 --> 00:10:04,238 I speak very highly of my company and my manager, so we're 209 00:10:04,238 --> 00:10:04,759 fine. 210 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:05,861 Speaker 2: We're fine. 211 00:10:05,861 --> 00:10:10,390 Well, my assistant found out I don't share it with people at 212 00:10:10,431 --> 00:10:12,033 work that I do a podcast. 213 00:10:12,033 --> 00:10:22,264 My assistant found out as we went to a conference and I ran 214 00:10:22,284 --> 00:10:23,649 into several old co-workers who worked with Patrick and I and 215 00:10:23,669 --> 00:10:25,876 they were there when we first announced we're doing a podcast 216 00:10:26,341 --> 00:10:27,547 and they listen regularly. 217 00:10:27,547 --> 00:10:31,727 So Lisa, desiree, hey, but they start talking to the podcast 218 00:10:31,919 --> 00:10:35,129 and then Anna, my assistant, starts asking you have a podcast 219 00:10:35,129 --> 00:10:35,129 ? 220 00:10:35,129 --> 00:10:40,721 I'm like, yeah, and so I don't go out blurting it about, but 221 00:10:41,403 --> 00:10:43,450 I'm recording one of our open enrollment sessions right now. 222 00:10:43,450 --> 00:10:46,970 I'm using our podcast software to edit it because it's better 223 00:10:46,990 --> 00:10:47,490 than it's. 224 00:10:47,490 --> 00:10:49,326 I know how to use it and I can do it quickly. 225 00:10:49,326 --> 00:10:52,149 When we recorded one of our episodes, I can get it out to 226 00:10:52,220 --> 00:10:54,067 the the employees pretty quickly . 227 00:10:54,067 --> 00:10:56,024 So, yeah, that's so. 228 00:10:56,024 --> 00:10:58,980 I'm not hiding it, but I'm not like promoting it at work, but I 229 00:10:58,980 --> 00:11:01,985 will be promoting it at the Virginia Sherm conference in 230 00:11:02,264 --> 00:11:02,865 middle of April. 231 00:11:02,865 --> 00:11:04,889 So if you're going to be down here, look for me. 232 00:11:04,889 --> 00:11:08,072 I'll be handing out little cards with a QR code and 233 00:11:08,134 --> 00:11:08,813 something like that. 234 00:11:08,813 --> 00:11:10,921 So, yay, let's see. 235 00:11:10,961 --> 00:11:13,427 Before we get into the meat of our subject, let's go ahead and 236 00:11:13,749 --> 00:11:17,184 do our thank yous to our Patreon supporters Hallie, the original 237 00:11:17,184 --> 00:11:20,211 Jaded HR rock star, bill and Mike. 238 00:11:20,211 --> 00:11:22,402 So thank you all very much. 239 00:11:22,402 --> 00:11:27,148 Your support is very much appreciated because we are, like 240 00:11:27,148 --> 00:11:30,371 I think I said, maybe in December we renewed our 241 00:11:30,412 --> 00:11:32,794 subscription to the recording and editing software. 242 00:11:32,794 --> 00:11:33,375 Thanks to you. 243 00:11:33,375 --> 00:11:35,508 Thank you for that. 244 00:11:35,508 --> 00:11:38,750 So, yep, that's, that's what we have going on. 245 00:11:38,750 --> 00:11:42,408 So the topic of the day and we're going to try to keep this 246 00:11:42,509 --> 00:11:45,462 as apolitical as we can of the day and we're going to try to 247 00:11:45,503 --> 00:11:46,768 keep this as apolitical as we can it's gonna be all the 248 00:11:46,788 --> 00:11:49,600 wonderful fun executive elders flying out of the, the White 249 00:11:49,620 --> 00:11:54,115 House right now and the the wonderful time it's creating for 250 00:11:54,115 --> 00:11:55,538 HR professionals. 251 00:11:55,639 --> 00:11:59,452 Speaker 1: So what a time what a time. 252 00:11:59,493 --> 00:12:00,034 Speaker 2: I just wanna? 253 00:12:00,215 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: I just wanna let everyone know that I am drinking 254 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,942 in old-fashioned cuz that is the time I am having. 255 00:12:05,001 --> 00:12:07,563 Speaker 2: It's empty, it is gone. 256 00:12:07,563 --> 00:12:08,864 We're going to have to pause. 257 00:12:08,864 --> 00:12:13,567 We're now pausing for a short commercial break, but yeah, so 258 00:12:13,586 --> 00:12:16,208 we're not going to, you know, get too political. 259 00:12:16,208 --> 00:12:20,631 As I, you know, I've mentioned before, I despise when I'm 260 00:12:20,652 --> 00:12:23,293 listening for whatever content they want to get, especially if 261 00:12:23,332 --> 00:12:26,034 I'm in a sport, if I'm listening to sports podcasts and all of a 262 00:12:26,034 --> 00:12:29,677 sudden, I don't want to hear your politics in my sports at 263 00:12:29,716 --> 00:12:30,898 all period, end of story. 264 00:12:30,898 --> 00:12:35,144 But anyways, yeah, so where to? 265 00:12:35,144 --> 00:12:36,485 Which executive order? 266 00:12:36,485 --> 00:12:40,750 Which shakeup, which change do you want to start with today? 267 00:12:40,750 --> 00:12:45,035 We could do a week's worth of episodes on just the first, you 268 00:12:45,115 --> 00:12:54,682 know week of executive orders and their impact on HRs. 269 00:12:54,701 --> 00:12:55,724 Speaker 1: Seriously, yeah, we can talk about the EEOC piece. 270 00:12:55,724 --> 00:12:58,910 Okay, because I want to preface this by saying I live in talent 271 00:12:58,910 --> 00:12:59,572 management. 272 00:12:59,572 --> 00:13:01,842 I know enough to be dangerous. 273 00:13:01,842 --> 00:13:05,091 A lot of me is just thinking out loud. 274 00:13:05,091 --> 00:13:06,525 Do not hold it against me. 275 00:13:06,525 --> 00:13:13,494 I'm an old-fashioned deep and yeah, I'm yeah. 276 00:13:14,302 --> 00:13:16,208 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can actually see it both ways. 277 00:13:16,208 --> 00:13:19,354 I think there's a lot of overreaction from people about 278 00:13:19,716 --> 00:13:20,580 some of these executives. 279 00:13:20,580 --> 00:13:23,669 Some of them need to be reacted to as they are. 280 00:13:23,669 --> 00:13:27,124 Some of them there's some overreaction to, but and, and 281 00:13:27,183 --> 00:13:30,028 some of them, it's like you know , regard. 282 00:13:30,028 --> 00:13:32,234 This is probably as political as I get. 283 00:13:32,234 --> 00:13:36,347 If trump says today is tuesday, february 4th, which it is, 284 00:13:36,870 --> 00:13:40,302 somebody's gonna get their ass chapped so badly about that 285 00:13:40,644 --> 00:13:44,150 because it's the most marvelous day and this is a great day and 286 00:13:44,230 --> 00:13:46,402 the fourth is always the greatest day. 287 00:13:46,402 --> 00:13:51,273 You know he speaks weirdly in superlatives all the time, but 288 00:13:51,332 --> 00:13:54,028 even if he's saying something that's absolutely factual, he's 289 00:13:54,087 --> 00:13:56,416 gonna he's gonna piss somebody off. 290 00:13:56,416 --> 00:13:59,927 You know, something like today's Tuesday, and I've seen a 291 00:13:59,927 --> 00:14:03,900 lot of that stuff to the point where really, people okay, it's 292 00:14:03,921 --> 00:14:07,644 time to come up for air a little bit, but anyways, yeah I give, 293 00:14:07,744 --> 00:14:11,451 I give people grace, just because you know people are 294 00:14:11,511 --> 00:14:16,306 scared, they're worried, yeah I, I and I can understand that, 295 00:14:16,446 --> 00:14:18,308 but, yeah, it's so. 296 00:14:18,349 --> 00:14:24,865 The eoc so with and I learned this my our labor and employment 297 00:14:24,865 --> 00:14:29,251 attorneys have been doing guest webinars, like three a week 298 00:14:29,312 --> 00:14:30,455 lately, and I haven't done them all. 299 00:14:30,455 --> 00:14:33,149 Some of them are like immigration and things like that 300 00:14:33,149 --> 00:14:33,149 . 301 00:14:33,149 --> 00:14:35,759 We don't have to worry about immigration where I work, but 302 00:14:36,341 --> 00:14:38,745 the executive order for government contractors, which 303 00:14:39,666 --> 00:14:42,971 goes straight into the EEOC and the Affirmative Action, is 304 00:14:43,051 --> 00:14:47,042 something that I'm paying very, very close attention to and so 305 00:14:47,081 --> 00:14:49,693 it is interesting just to preface that like so, Warren, 306 00:14:49,714 --> 00:14:53,779 you work for a company that is a government contractor, yes, and 307 00:14:53,779 --> 00:14:57,971 I work for a company that is private equity, private sector. 308 00:14:58,379 --> 00:15:01,566 Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, there's like there's that 309 00:15:02,287 --> 00:15:03,369 there's a difference there. 310 00:15:03,389 --> 00:15:07,636 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, there's like there's that 311 00:15:07,657 --> 00:15:08,879 there's a difference there. 312 00:15:08,879 --> 00:15:20,783 Yes, yeah, because, like even our contracts and our president, 313 00:15:20,783 --> 00:15:22,207 the president of our company and I were taught we've had in 314 00:15:22,227 --> 00:15:24,472 the past week we've had know, does the executive order mean 315 00:15:24,533 --> 00:15:25,514 that poof? 316 00:15:25,514 --> 00:15:29,664 Normally, when a government contractor does any change like 317 00:15:30,024 --> 00:15:32,908 the slightest change, like oh well, okay, we're going to need 318 00:15:33,028 --> 00:15:38,520 one more software developer than you bid for for this, so it 319 00:15:38,561 --> 00:15:41,787 goes through a contract mod and it's a whole big thing to do 320 00:15:42,008 --> 00:15:42,909 what you know. 321 00:15:42,909 --> 00:15:44,572 Hey, I need another software developer. 322 00:15:44,572 --> 00:15:46,581 Okay, fine, it's not that easy. 323 00:15:46,581 --> 00:15:51,572 But so to take the affirmative action out, are they going to do 324 00:15:51,572 --> 00:15:54,823 a whole contract mod for this? 325 00:15:55,184 --> 00:16:00,234 And you know, one of the revocations of and I don't know 326 00:16:00,274 --> 00:16:02,942 the numbers of these executive orders, but the one that's one 327 00:16:02,962 --> 00:16:06,908 of the many that's causing a stir is the revocation of 328 00:16:07,408 --> 00:16:10,751 affirmative action in the workplace. 329 00:16:10,751 --> 00:16:14,600 So it's really interesting and it's funny. 330 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:19,350 I learned about it first on my way, like Thursday I did a 331 00:16:19,392 --> 00:16:22,163 webinar with our attorneys, and then Friday I was listening to 332 00:16:22,202 --> 00:16:25,008 Good Morning HR with Mike Coffey and he's discussed the same 333 00:16:25,028 --> 00:16:28,594 thing, but I didn't know this Affirmative action, eeo is not a 334 00:16:28,594 --> 00:16:32,586 law and it was actually an executive order by Johnson. 335 00:16:33,187 --> 00:16:33,707 Speaker 1: LBJ. 336 00:16:34,389 --> 00:16:36,052 Speaker 2: Yeah, that created it . 337 00:16:36,052 --> 00:16:39,826 So because it was done by executive order, any president 338 00:16:40,187 --> 00:16:42,572 can go on and say, well, this one doesn't count anymore. 339 00:16:42,572 --> 00:16:45,462 And that's pretty much exactly what happened. 340 00:16:45,462 --> 00:16:50,491 But the difference is, when it comes to veterans and 341 00:16:50,592 --> 00:16:52,518 disabilities, those are codified laws. 342 00:16:52,518 --> 00:16:56,434 The ADA is an actual law that the president it has to go 343 00:16:56,455 --> 00:16:58,386 through Congress to change the veterans. 344 00:16:58,386 --> 00:17:02,136 The protections are actual law. 345 00:17:02,136 --> 00:17:06,936 So you know, that's why this all happened. 346 00:17:08,105 --> 00:17:10,032 Speaker 1: Do you know where country of origin is still? 347 00:17:24,770 --> 00:17:26,593 Speaker 2: Do you know where country of origin is still? 348 00:17:26,593 --> 00:17:29,877 Because I remember it's race, gender, country of origin and 349 00:17:30,398 --> 00:17:32,421 then there's disability and stuff like that. 350 00:17:32,421 --> 00:17:34,944 So I that pretty much destroys your affirmative action plan. 351 00:17:34,944 --> 00:17:38,976 You can still report on veteran status and disability, but race 352 00:17:38,976 --> 00:17:42,385 and gender are the ones that are under the target. 353 00:17:42,385 --> 00:17:46,134 My next webinar I'll throw that in the question and answer 354 00:17:46,496 --> 00:17:46,796 sessions. 355 00:17:46,796 --> 00:17:49,190 I'm doing another later this week with the attorneys, as 356 00:17:49,210 --> 00:17:50,834 they're just rapid firing these things out. 357 00:17:50,834 --> 00:17:54,573 Like I said, there's been three a week since last week, so but 358 00:17:54,692 --> 00:17:56,085 yeah, I'll throw that question out there. 359 00:17:56,085 --> 00:17:59,373 But it's it's really, it's really interesting. 360 00:17:59,492 --> 00:18:04,114 And one of the things as an affirmative action employer EEO, 361 00:18:04,114 --> 00:18:07,346 affirmative action employer the executive order requires us to 362 00:18:07,385 --> 00:18:07,685 remove. 363 00:18:07,685 --> 00:18:11,355 Well, the first executive order required us to have that little 364 00:18:11,355 --> 00:18:13,548 blurb at the bottom of your job postings. 365 00:18:13,548 --> 00:18:15,713 We are an affirmative action equal employment opportunity. 366 00:18:15,713 --> 00:18:17,948 We don't da, da, da, da da. 367 00:18:17,948 --> 00:18:23,422 Now employers have like 90 days to be compliant and our 368 00:18:23,461 --> 00:18:27,147 philosophy is we're going to wait till like day 85 to do 369 00:18:27,228 --> 00:18:27,528 anything. 370 00:18:27,528 --> 00:18:28,729 And I'm being serious, I laugh. 371 00:18:28,729 --> 00:18:34,355 I'm being serious because I would be very surprised if a 372 00:18:34,395 --> 00:18:39,340 judge didn't step in and either just pause it or just throw it 373 00:18:39,401 --> 00:18:40,061 out completely. 374 00:18:40,061 --> 00:18:44,134 Some group out there is going to find a sympathetic judge. 375 00:18:44,134 --> 00:18:44,675 That's what they do. 376 00:18:44,675 --> 00:18:49,214 You think that these things mysteriously end up in certain 377 00:18:49,255 --> 00:18:49,777 judges' laps? 378 00:18:49,777 --> 00:18:51,811 No, they find the district. 379 00:18:51,811 --> 00:18:54,549 Okay, we need you to bring up this lawsuit in this district so 380 00:18:54,549 --> 00:18:56,094 we can have this judge. 381 00:18:56,094 --> 00:18:58,047 And yeah, that's exactly what they're doing. 382 00:18:58,047 --> 00:19:00,074 But it's going to be interesting. 383 00:19:00,074 --> 00:19:02,142 But but are we? 384 00:19:02,142 --> 00:19:03,244 We're still going to be required to? 385 00:19:03,244 --> 00:19:06,652 Hey, we don't discriminate against veterans or veterans 386 00:19:06,692 --> 00:19:09,397 status of disability as well. 387 00:19:09,458 --> 00:19:12,373 Speaker 1: But in the other part and I don't know if it's the 388 00:19:12,413 --> 00:19:16,676 same executive order or not is the ending of illegal DEI 389 00:19:16,737 --> 00:19:20,847 programs and I've covered so I think this is where I'm so, this 390 00:19:20,847 --> 00:19:25,205 is where I'm like, personally struggling and this is so like 391 00:19:25,266 --> 00:19:27,674 the so back to like the EEOC stuff. 392 00:19:27,674 --> 00:19:32,538 Like those things were brought into place because bad behaviors 393 00:19:32,538 --> 00:19:42,057 were happening and I think I I feel like we put guardrails I'm 394 00:19:42,077 --> 00:19:45,507 gonna say this very kindly, but I'm gonna say it very bluntly we 395 00:19:45,507 --> 00:19:48,810 put guardrails in for the lowest common denominator, we 396 00:19:48,851 --> 00:19:55,400 put guardrails in for the, for people the redneck good old boy 397 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:01,494 who act, I like, ah, so basically, like there are, there 398 00:20:01,494 --> 00:20:05,105 are things and I and I I would hate to think and I will say 399 00:20:05,125 --> 00:20:08,029 this because I want to clarify this is not at my current 400 00:20:08,069 --> 00:20:11,755 company, this is at past companies, but I don't know. 401 00:20:12,876 --> 00:20:18,268 So I was in charge of recruiting , essentially for my new boss's 402 00:20:18,328 --> 00:20:18,690 boss. 403 00:20:18,690 --> 00:20:21,215 It was a really fun position to be put into. 404 00:20:21,215 --> 00:20:24,576 It was like the new head of HR for a company and they just 405 00:20:24,596 --> 00:20:27,666 basically said Christina, you're the only person here that can. 406 00:20:27,666 --> 00:20:29,873 That's recruiting, so you find it. 407 00:20:29,873 --> 00:20:34,266 So I was like recruiting for my manager's boss, that's 408 00:20:34,286 --> 00:20:35,106 recruiting, so you find it. 409 00:20:35,106 --> 00:20:36,829 So I was like recruiting for my manager's boss. 410 00:20:36,849 --> 00:20:39,012 And I remember we were in a room and the the president and the 411 00:20:39,213 --> 00:20:46,770 owner of that company said with a dead ass serious face well, I, 412 00:20:46,770 --> 00:20:47,251 it was. 413 00:20:47,251 --> 00:20:49,214 Oh, by the way, backtrack, it was two candidates. 414 00:20:49,214 --> 00:21:02,025 We were down to a white male and a white female, and he said 415 00:21:02,045 --> 00:21:04,347 that the female candidate, the woman candidate, drove up in a 416 00:21:04,367 --> 00:21:05,209 red BMW to her interview. 417 00:21:05,209 --> 00:21:07,090 That's the car she chose to drive. 418 00:21:07,090 --> 00:21:13,837 And he said I have an issue with that because that doesn't 419 00:21:13,878 --> 00:21:20,371 really fit with the culture here , to which my jaw dropped on the 420 00:21:20,371 --> 00:21:25,689 floor, because these biases happen and I don't think people 421 00:21:26,571 --> 00:21:30,607 understand and I'm speaking as a white woman, right, these 422 00:21:30,667 --> 00:21:31,653 biases happen. 423 00:21:31,653 --> 00:21:33,157 And I'm speaking as a white woman, right, these biases 424 00:21:33,178 --> 00:21:37,012 happen and I witnessed it and thankfully, I mean I'm going to 425 00:21:37,032 --> 00:21:38,876 put a little asterisk next to this. 426 00:21:39,546 --> 00:21:44,691 I was an itty bitty girl, like I just started, like I didn't 427 00:21:44,731 --> 00:21:47,046 have the backbone to stand up to the president of the company, 428 00:21:47,467 --> 00:21:51,929 but thankfully someone in the room did, and then I had the 429 00:21:51,989 --> 00:21:53,173 strength to then back it up. 430 00:21:53,173 --> 00:21:58,773 But the question was, I don't really think that the car she 431 00:21:58,834 --> 00:22:02,099 drives is going to affect the way in which she does her work. 432 00:22:02,099 --> 00:22:09,355 And long story short, spoiler alert we ended up or they ended 433 00:22:09,496 --> 00:22:14,632 up deciding on the mail and guess who showed up to work? 434 00:22:14,632 --> 00:22:16,490 Guess what, he showed up driving to work. 435 00:22:17,507 --> 00:22:18,992 Speaker 2: A red BMW, please, please. 436 00:22:19,244 --> 00:22:19,747 Speaker 1: But like. 437 00:22:19,747 --> 00:22:21,673 So these are the behaviors that happen. 438 00:22:21,673 --> 00:22:27,332 So I would hate to think that, because we're no longer, like, 439 00:22:27,652 --> 00:22:31,076 supposed to do it, that we're going to start reverting back, 440 00:22:31,136 --> 00:22:32,678 because they happen. 441 00:22:32,678 --> 00:22:38,673 And I know, like it's one of those lessons that I learned to 442 00:22:38,752 --> 00:22:42,666 be a better advocate, because in hindsight I was like, but at 443 00:22:42,686 --> 00:22:45,994 the same time you're young, you're new to career, you don't 444 00:22:46,015 --> 00:22:49,050 want to like piss off the president of the company, but at 445 00:22:49,050 --> 00:22:52,323 the same time, like I'm glad someone else in there with 446 00:22:52,383 --> 00:22:56,915 tenure, what did speak up, because that shit pissed me off 447 00:22:57,537 --> 00:23:02,451 and I hear it and I I hear these little micro like oh, it's like 448 00:23:02,451 --> 00:23:06,042 , oh, and I would hate to think that someone would be passed up 449 00:23:06,103 --> 00:23:09,973 for a promotion because they're pregnant, or someone's passed up 450 00:23:09,973 --> 00:23:14,326 for a promotion because they're too old, or someone is passed 451 00:23:14,406 --> 00:23:15,088 up for like. 452 00:23:15,088 --> 00:23:18,819 These are the things that worry me, because now there's no 453 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,109 protection against that and I know we'd like to think that 454 00:23:23,150 --> 00:23:27,179 racism is dead, but racism and misogyny is alive and well. 455 00:23:27,365 --> 00:23:30,894 So like we're taking away these things and we're not doing 456 00:23:30,933 --> 00:23:32,877 anything to protect our workers. 457 00:23:32,877 --> 00:23:37,035 And spoiler alert today I don't know if you saw the bill to 458 00:23:37,055 --> 00:23:40,592 like get rid of, but that's another thing to like. 459 00:23:40,592 --> 00:23:43,799 These are, as an HR professional, like I'm not 460 00:23:43,819 --> 00:23:44,561 getting political. 461 00:23:44,561 --> 00:23:46,346 This is more morally no like. 462 00:23:46,346 --> 00:23:47,269 Yeah, I get. 463 00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:51,798 Like you're going to deregulate OSHA, like health and safety, 464 00:23:52,486 --> 00:23:54,852 and next we're going to have 80 hour work weeks because we're 465 00:23:54,872 --> 00:23:56,436 going to get rid of the 40-hour work week. 466 00:23:56,436 --> 00:23:58,192 We don't need regulation about that. 467 00:23:58,192 --> 00:24:02,830 So we keep chiseling away at these little things that are 468 00:24:02,871 --> 00:24:08,599 going to take us back to the triangle fire and people are 469 00:24:08,619 --> 00:24:09,381 going to die at work. 470 00:24:09,381 --> 00:24:10,367 And people are going to die at work. 471 00:24:10,367 --> 00:24:13,326 And I know it sounds like I'm catastrophizing but at the same 472 00:24:13,366 --> 00:24:17,015 time, I don't think I am, because these things were put 473 00:24:17,076 --> 00:24:18,238 into place for a reason. 474 00:24:19,525 --> 00:24:22,489 Speaker 2: Oh, they absolutely were, because, just like all 475 00:24:22,528 --> 00:24:25,195 these, you hear these things and you think, oh, that's a stupid 476 00:24:25,236 --> 00:24:25,317 law. 477 00:24:25,317 --> 00:24:30,611 I'll go back to season one, one of the first episodes Patrick 478 00:24:30,651 --> 00:24:34,307 and I did, that's when the Crown Act got passed and you can hear 479 00:24:34,307 --> 00:24:37,836 me talking and say what a stupid waste of time to make a 480 00:24:37,996 --> 00:24:38,698 dumbass law. 481 00:24:38,698 --> 00:24:41,914 Who the hell discriminates on the basis of hair. 482 00:24:41,914 --> 00:24:44,432 I was just like why, why? 483 00:24:44,432 --> 00:24:48,575 Why it wasn't six months until there was a case brought up on 484 00:24:48,634 --> 00:24:56,479 it, and I'm like I literally just can't fathom that. 485 00:24:56,479 --> 00:25:01,555 I really and I just I don't know, and you can listen to me 486 00:25:01,615 --> 00:25:02,297 on that episode. 487 00:25:02,297 --> 00:25:04,208 This is so stupid. 488 00:25:04,208 --> 00:25:05,150 I don't know why they did it. 489 00:25:05,150 --> 00:25:09,951 It really fired me up back then , but then it fired me up just 490 00:25:10,010 --> 00:25:10,311 as much. 491 00:25:10,311 --> 00:25:13,747 It was within a year if it wasn't six months is within a 492 00:25:13,787 --> 00:25:17,215 year that there were court cases coming up about violations of 493 00:25:17,236 --> 00:25:17,797 the Crown Act. 494 00:25:17,884 --> 00:25:21,633 Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, really , you know, because people do it 495 00:25:21,633 --> 00:25:21,633 . 496 00:25:21,633 --> 00:25:25,507 You have to make regulations based on the stupidest person, 497 00:25:25,907 --> 00:25:29,236 and I hate to say it like that, but that's basically or I'm 498 00:25:29,276 --> 00:25:30,887 sorry, not the stupid the most ignorant person. 499 00:25:30,887 --> 00:25:33,596 You have to make regulation because ignorance is a choice 500 00:25:34,144 --> 00:25:35,169 you have to make. 501 00:25:35,169 --> 00:25:39,845 You have to make those rules for the most ignorant population 502 00:25:39,845 --> 00:25:41,833 and I'm sorry, I said it. 503 00:25:41,833 --> 00:25:45,615 You can come at you, come at my Instagram if you want. 504 00:25:45,615 --> 00:25:47,673 I'll probably just delete it, but whatever, fuck it. 505 00:25:49,209 --> 00:25:50,824 Speaker 2: No, I absolutely agree. 506 00:25:50,824 --> 00:25:55,013 And oh, I spoke about hostile work environment. 507 00:25:55,013 --> 00:25:58,969 When the show was on, they would talk about these cases and 508 00:25:58,969 --> 00:26:04,719 these people won a lawsuit because one person refused to. 509 00:26:04,719 --> 00:26:08,190 Every day, they wore a sticker on their shirt showing how many 510 00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:11,095 days the plant had been with an accident, and when they got them 511 00:26:11,095 --> 00:26:17,773 666 days somebody refused and then they kept firing the person 512 00:26:17,773 --> 00:26:17,773 . 513 00:26:17,773 --> 00:26:21,133 Hey, okay, don't wear the stupid fucking sticker. 514 00:26:21,133 --> 00:26:25,555 Okay, whatever, oh, your mind fell off, or whatever. 515 00:26:25,555 --> 00:26:31,134 But that was one of them and they sued and they lost. 516 00:26:31,134 --> 00:26:34,473 I mean, the employer lost, if I recall correctly. 517 00:26:34,473 --> 00:26:38,212 And another one, the person who wouldn't scan. 518 00:26:38,212 --> 00:26:41,159 Do biometric scanning something to have to do with the devil? 519 00:26:41,159 --> 00:26:43,834 It was some, I don't even remember that one. 520 00:26:44,226 --> 00:26:49,036 But if the the the devil's going to come through you on a 521 00:26:49,096 --> 00:26:52,644 fingerprint scanner as you're clocking in or out at this place 522 00:26:52,644 --> 00:26:58,037 , okay, you're cuckoo, but and I think, religious- accommodation 523 00:26:58,037 --> 00:27:02,709 yeah, they, they won so yeah, but you make these dumb laws, 524 00:27:02,750 --> 00:27:06,748 like you said, for the lowest common denominator, and I don't 525 00:27:06,768 --> 00:27:09,932 know why I'm shocked, as jaded and cynical as I am, but to see 526 00:27:10,032 --> 00:27:14,219 things like this happen, it's like how, what, why, really? 527 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,191 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very weird . 528 00:27:17,191 --> 00:27:22,012 I will say, oh, that's the other thing, because I thought 529 00:27:22,334 --> 00:27:24,699 religion was part of that. 530 00:27:24,699 --> 00:27:27,028 So, like the protection of religion in the workplace, 531 00:27:27,790 --> 00:27:30,536 wasn't that part of the EEOC rollback? 532 00:27:30,536 --> 00:27:32,058 No, Okay, that wasn't. 533 00:27:32,098 --> 00:27:34,771 Speaker 2: No yeah, not that I'm aware of that. 534 00:27:34,771 --> 00:27:41,153 That wasn't the two webinars I've done and the various email 535 00:27:41,373 --> 00:27:42,174 things I've gotten. 536 00:27:42,174 --> 00:27:46,308 Nobody's talked about religion in this, but you know, religion 537 00:27:46,348 --> 00:27:46,991 has become stronger. 538 00:27:46,991 --> 00:27:50,431 It used to be the most de minimis, oh yeah, we can't do 539 00:27:50,490 --> 00:27:50,672 that. 540 00:27:50,672 --> 00:27:54,848 If it was anything other than eh, we know someone feel like it 541 00:27:54,848 --> 00:27:57,257 , you know you could get away with it, but now religion is, 542 00:27:58,098 --> 00:28:01,269 and I said we're going to be apolitical, I'm trying to be a 543 00:28:01,329 --> 00:28:03,336 religious as well, but now religion. 544 00:28:03,336 --> 00:28:09,150 You know people are coming up with these whacked out religions 545 00:28:09,150 --> 00:28:11,152 and it doesn't even have to be a religion, it just has be a 546 00:28:11,211 --> 00:28:12,433 sincerely held belief. 547 00:28:12,433 --> 00:28:15,698 Well, I sincerely, sincerely believe some people are fucked 548 00:28:15,738 --> 00:28:18,747 up in the brain and I'm not gonna, I don't need to 549 00:28:18,767 --> 00:28:22,535 accommodate their, their situation well, a reasonable 550 00:28:22,576 --> 00:28:23,657 accommodation, right. 551 00:28:23,698 --> 00:28:25,951 Speaker 1: So like what's reasonable and I think that's. 552 00:28:25,951 --> 00:28:29,608 I mean it's broad, but it's kind of broad for a reason yeah, 553 00:28:29,608 --> 00:28:30,049 it is. 554 00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:34,565 It is like if you're required to come to work on the weekends 555 00:28:34,905 --> 00:28:38,313 and then you say, hey, I, you know, I practice a religion. 556 00:28:38,313 --> 00:28:39,154 I can't do that. 557 00:28:39,154 --> 00:28:43,652 Well, like this job, the requirement of this job is to be 558 00:28:43,652 --> 00:28:49,087 here, like you know, like accommodations have to be 559 00:28:49,608 --> 00:28:51,272 reasonable to the function of the company. 560 00:28:51,272 --> 00:28:54,298 So I think, like that's another thing. 561 00:28:54,298 --> 00:28:56,608 I think a lot of people who don't understand HR get their 562 00:28:56,628 --> 00:29:01,155 panties in a wad because they say things like DEI, hire. 563 00:29:01,155 --> 00:29:05,792 Don't say that that's a weird thing to say. 564 00:29:05,792 --> 00:29:08,971 But then they'll say things like I mean, I literally have 565 00:29:09,031 --> 00:29:12,286 been consuming so much social media over the past few days and 566 00:29:12,286 --> 00:29:16,996 I will literally see people defining DEI and I'm not 567 00:29:17,056 --> 00:29:19,229 exaggerating when I say this, this is like a direct quote. 568 00:29:19,229 --> 00:29:24,268 People will be like, oh, dei is literally hiring someone who is 569 00:29:24,268 --> 00:29:27,935 qualified over someone who is qualified because of the color 570 00:29:27,955 --> 00:29:28,517 of their skin. 571 00:29:28,517 --> 00:29:31,951 And I'm like where are you fucking learning this? 572 00:29:31,951 --> 00:29:34,431 And at the same time I'm like they're learning from social 573 00:29:34,451 --> 00:29:34,751 media. 574 00:29:35,496 --> 00:29:38,407 But that's the thing, and it's like what side of social media 575 00:29:38,488 --> 00:29:39,410 are you learning this from? 576 00:29:39,410 --> 00:29:42,346 Because it's not in the crevices that I go to like not 577 00:29:42,366 --> 00:29:43,028 what I'm learning. 578 00:29:43,489 --> 00:29:44,731 Your algo is not. 579 00:29:44,731 --> 00:29:47,438 Yeah, it's not where my algorithm's going. 580 00:29:47,438 --> 00:29:50,730 But at the same time, it's like people don't understand that 581 00:29:50,871 --> 00:29:55,459 DEI really, and we could talk about the DEI thing next. 582 00:29:55,459 --> 00:29:58,352 Yeah, these illegal DEI practices which, again, are very 583 00:29:58,352 --> 00:29:59,855 broadly termed. 584 00:29:59,855 --> 00:30:01,344 What does that even effing mean ? 585 00:30:01,344 --> 00:30:09,756 But people think DEI means color of skin, when DEI is like 586 00:30:09,996 --> 00:30:14,080 a broad umbrella of a lot of things. 587 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,607 It could be your race, it could be your gender, it could be 588 00:30:18,989 --> 00:30:22,012 your sexuality, it could be the fact that you're over 40. 589 00:30:22,012 --> 00:30:25,566 It could be the fact that you're a veteran, it can be. 590 00:30:25,566 --> 00:30:30,244 I mean like literally everyone checks one of those boxes and 591 00:30:30,306 --> 00:30:33,054 it's just one of those things where it's like you don't know 592 00:30:33,194 --> 00:30:37,271 it, but you've probably benefited from either DEI, 593 00:30:37,291 --> 00:30:41,578 education, dei stuff and people. 594 00:30:41,578 --> 00:30:45,632 Again, ignorance is a choice, but like they just don't choose 595 00:30:45,771 --> 00:30:50,169 to Google anything other than what they're being fed, so it's 596 00:30:50,349 --> 00:30:51,932 incorrect information. 597 00:30:52,755 --> 00:30:53,717 Speaker 2: But at the same time. 598 00:30:53,757 --> 00:30:56,570 Speaker 1: I'm just sitting here like empathy, managing to 599 00:30:56,671 --> 00:31:00,326 different personality, like managing to different these are 600 00:31:00,446 --> 00:31:02,653 all things that are under that DEI umbrella. 601 00:31:02,653 --> 00:31:03,996 So what now? 602 00:31:03,996 --> 00:31:09,227 Is situational leadership going to be a legal DEI because it's 603 00:31:09,288 --> 00:31:12,792 telling you that you need to manage, you need to change your 604 00:31:12,833 --> 00:31:15,007 management style to where the person is? 605 00:31:15,007 --> 00:31:18,271 Is that now going to be illegal DEI? 606 00:31:18,271 --> 00:31:22,900 It's such a broad term and it's so foolish. 607 00:31:24,266 --> 00:31:27,152 Speaker 2: It is, and there's two sides of this one too. 608 00:31:27,152 --> 00:31:31,467 So you have I've said any number of times before you had 609 00:31:31,487 --> 00:31:34,307 all these shyster companies and some government agencies got 610 00:31:34,367 --> 00:31:39,759 caught up in this, these really bad DEI programs that you know, 611 00:31:39,944 --> 00:31:41,711 if you're a white male, you sit in the back of the room and 612 00:31:41,730 --> 00:31:43,925 you're not allowed to ask questions or anything. 613 00:31:43,925 --> 00:31:44,728 There's been things like that. 614 00:31:44,748 --> 00:31:46,010 Speaker 1: That's not inclusive. 615 00:31:46,030 --> 00:31:47,756 Speaker 2: Yeah, and and hell. 616 00:31:47,756 --> 00:31:50,109 Look at that guy from the Phillies game, or not? 617 00:31:50,109 --> 00:31:51,614 The Phillies, the Eagles game. 618 00:31:51,614 --> 00:31:52,436 He's a DEI. 619 00:31:52,436 --> 00:31:55,762 You know, all these companies bought into these shysty DEI 620 00:31:55,782 --> 00:31:55,984 programs. 621 00:31:56,105 --> 00:31:56,487 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. 622 00:31:56,487 --> 00:31:57,672 Go back to what you were saying . 623 00:31:57,672 --> 00:31:59,673 Did you say he was a DEI professional? 624 00:32:00,325 --> 00:32:02,410 Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy from the Eagles game that we talked 625 00:32:02,430 --> 00:32:03,532 about two weeks ago or so. 626 00:32:03,532 --> 00:32:05,986 He was a DEI. 627 00:32:05,986 --> 00:32:07,909 He worked for a DEI consulting firm. 628 00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:09,471 Worked past tense. 629 00:32:10,173 --> 00:32:13,397 Speaker 1: This might be the old-fashioned talking, but thank 630 00:32:13,397 --> 00:32:17,011 God for the internet, thank God for the internet. 631 00:32:17,011 --> 00:32:21,484 I love my favorite pastime the past few weeks is watching 632 00:32:21,625 --> 00:32:25,233 people just get burned for the stupid shit they say on the 633 00:32:25,253 --> 00:32:25,595 internet. 634 00:32:25,595 --> 00:32:29,868 Because the internet, ladies and gentlemen, is forever. 635 00:32:30,569 --> 00:32:31,810 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, things have evolved. 636 00:32:31,810 --> 00:32:35,696 I know for a fact the things I was saying in the 80s and 90s 637 00:32:36,117 --> 00:32:38,000 would not fly at all today. 638 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,746 You know 80s, 90s, everything was gay people and we're not. 639 00:32:42,746 --> 00:32:45,288 You know, it didn't matter If you didn't like something, it 640 00:32:45,328 --> 00:32:45,670 was gay. 641 00:32:45,670 --> 00:32:46,432 I don't want to do that. 642 00:32:46,432 --> 00:32:46,994 Oh, that's gay. 643 00:32:46,994 --> 00:32:47,625 I'm not going to do that. 644 00:32:47,665 --> 00:32:52,275 Speaker 1: Or on the other side of it, straight, like oh, that's 645 00:32:52,275 --> 00:32:55,586 straight, like that was the opposite, and it was like, yeah, 646 00:32:55,586 --> 00:32:56,648 I totally get it. 647 00:32:56,648 --> 00:32:58,231 Like, oh, that's so gay, oh, that's straight. 648 00:32:58,231 --> 00:33:04,009 Like it doesn't age well, and it was slang that was used it. 649 00:33:04,171 --> 00:33:06,895 Speaker 2: We used the r word, the, the dreaded r word. 650 00:33:06,895 --> 00:33:09,346 All everybody was, I'll say it retarded. 651 00:33:09,346 --> 00:33:10,007 That's retarded. 652 00:33:10,007 --> 00:33:11,590 If it wasn't gay, it was retarded. 653 00:33:12,352 --> 00:33:15,744 Speaker 1: But you know, anyways , we're going way off topic, but 654 00:33:15,744 --> 00:33:18,309 I will say there's a point to that though, because like, yes, 655 00:33:18,369 --> 00:33:21,775 we hear these things, we learn from these things and we don't 656 00:33:21,815 --> 00:33:25,185 do those things once we learn them right, yeah, exactly, and 657 00:33:25,286 --> 00:33:28,496 it's not like a personal affront for me. 658 00:33:28,496 --> 00:33:31,490 For some people it might be, but if someone just like 659 00:33:31,510 --> 00:33:35,665 corrects you saying like, hey, that's offensive or hey, you 660 00:33:35,767 --> 00:33:36,578 should consider a different word . 661 00:33:36,578 --> 00:33:37,025 And then you adjust. 662 00:33:37,025 --> 00:33:40,885 And we were talking about how we're doing those extra, those 663 00:33:40,967 --> 00:33:43,334 episodes of, like the office rewatches. 664 00:33:43,734 --> 00:33:44,135 Speaker 2: Oh yes. 665 00:33:44,846 --> 00:33:48,446 Speaker 1: And next week we're going to be doing or not next 666 00:33:48,467 --> 00:33:49,309 week, but the following week. 667 00:33:49,330 --> 00:33:50,032 Speaker 2: We're recording next week. 668 00:33:50,865 --> 00:33:52,105 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're recording the following week. 669 00:33:52,105 --> 00:33:52,666 We're recording next week. 670 00:33:52,666 --> 00:33:53,468 Yeah, we're recording the following week. 671 00:33:53,468 --> 00:33:53,867 We're going to be. 672 00:33:53,867 --> 00:33:54,249 Oh yeah, I forget. 673 00:33:54,249 --> 00:33:55,569 We'll talk about our schedule afterward. 674 00:33:55,569 --> 00:33:59,374 Yeah, that's production, but we're talking about the second 675 00:33:59,453 --> 00:34:04,157 episode, which is Diversity Day, and I'm laughing because you 676 00:34:04,179 --> 00:34:06,201 know that was aired what? 677 00:34:06,201 --> 00:34:07,521 20 years ago or something. 678 00:34:07,521 --> 00:34:10,447 Yeah, and I mean even the stuff in there. 679 00:34:10,447 --> 00:34:13,630 I don't think I told you this when we chatted last time, but 680 00:34:14,130 --> 00:34:18,255 if you watch it on, if you watch the Office on Comedy Central, 681 00:34:18,896 --> 00:34:22,559 they go from the first episode, they skip Diversity Day and go 682 00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:23,460 to the third episode. 683 00:34:23,460 --> 00:34:27,487 Yes, I noticed that like a weekend or so ago and I was like 684 00:34:27,487 --> 00:34:29,985 , did they just skip Diversity Day Because there's? 685 00:34:30,025 --> 00:34:34,327 some stuff in there that's like not great but at the same time 686 00:34:35,268 --> 00:34:39,396 like it's kind of like the archie bunker of it like they're 687 00:34:39,396 --> 00:34:45,255 kind of facing things straight on and there's, in the way they 688 00:34:45,275 --> 00:34:46,599 were, some value to that. 689 00:34:47,041 --> 00:34:51,067 Speaker 2: Yeah, in fact, okay, the, the thing that comedy 690 00:34:51,106 --> 00:34:54,349 central changed and we're going down another rabbit hole. 691 00:34:54,349 --> 00:34:58,552 You know when he's in trouble with Phyllis and the only thing 692 00:34:58,572 --> 00:35:01,313 I'm worried about is getting a boner and but they, that scene, 693 00:35:01,554 --> 00:35:16,606 that scene is cut out on anyways , we'll get to. 694 00:35:16,606 --> 00:35:18,190 We'll get to those episodes later. 695 00:35:18,190 --> 00:35:23,106 But the de trying to wrangle the cats in here on the add 696 00:35:23,146 --> 00:35:23,867 brains we have. 697 00:35:23,867 --> 00:35:28,833 But so the, the executive order , which is unfathomable because 698 00:35:29,673 --> 00:35:35,501 you read it, and we're going to get rid of these illegal DEI 699 00:35:35,541 --> 00:35:35,900 programs. 700 00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:38,070 Okay, and I can understand. 701 00:35:38,070 --> 00:35:41,748 Yeah, it's probably going to get rid of the shitey illegal 702 00:35:41,807 --> 00:35:48,057 ones that are just flash in a pan and some government agencies 703 00:35:48,057 --> 00:35:50,768 got caught up in buying these as well. 704 00:35:50,768 --> 00:35:53,514 So that, amen, amen, I'm all for. 705 00:35:53,514 --> 00:35:58,931 But the dei is so misunderstood and I shared an article with 706 00:35:58,951 --> 00:36:00,293 you from last year. 707 00:36:00,293 --> 00:36:03,969 You know I'm a I'm a little bit of a fan boy of mark cuban. 708 00:36:03,969 --> 00:36:08,097 I I love what he's trying to do in the, the drug industry and 709 00:36:08,117 --> 00:36:10,230 the medical industry as well. 710 00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:13,246 I'm not a basketball fan, a professional definitely, and I 711 00:36:13,286 --> 00:36:17,311 haven't watched college games in I don't know how long, but I 712 00:36:17,331 --> 00:36:18,195 really like what he's doing there. 713 00:36:18,195 --> 00:36:21,775 But he put on Twitter or X or whatever you want to call it. 714 00:36:21,775 --> 00:36:27,195 Now he was like yeah, di only comes into play and I'm 715 00:36:27,315 --> 00:36:30,251 paraphrasing him when I have two equal candidates, then I'm 716 00:36:30,271 --> 00:36:33,449 probably going to give the nod to the minority or the protected 717 00:36:33,449 --> 00:36:35,393 class person, whatever it is that he said. 718 00:36:35,393 --> 00:36:40,992 And it's so funny because the chairman of the EEOC replied to 719 00:36:41,032 --> 00:36:43,117 them and said well, actually, mark, that's illegal. 720 00:36:43,117 --> 00:36:45,969 You're giving preference based on race, which is illegal. 721 00:36:45,969 --> 00:36:50,876 So, and and okay, I'm a fan I've admitted I'm a fan boy, so 722 00:36:51,197 --> 00:36:54,550 maybe I'm giving him a pass on this, but I think so many people 723 00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:56,175 think that's what DEI is. 724 00:36:56,175 --> 00:36:59,876 Let's do this, because, no, you're not doing it. 725 00:36:59,876 --> 00:37:04,516 You're making the playing field level so everybody can have 726 00:37:04,556 --> 00:37:05,197 that equal shot. 727 00:37:05,197 --> 00:37:08,711 And if that equal shot means it's going to an old white guy 728 00:37:08,751 --> 00:37:11,257 like me, then that's how the cookie crumbles. 729 00:37:12,289 --> 00:37:16,170 But the playing field was open for anybody and everybody and it 730 00:37:16,170 --> 00:37:19,757 wasn't a rigged game, and that's what you're trying to do 731 00:37:19,777 --> 00:37:20,365 with your DEI. 732 00:37:20,365 --> 00:37:25,795 And maybe you are trying to focus on hey, we do need to get 733 00:37:25,896 --> 00:37:28,746 more fill-in-the-blank, underrepresented group in there. 734 00:37:28,746 --> 00:37:30,469 So you do that at your recruiting thing. 735 00:37:30,469 --> 00:37:34,434 We're going to advertise in these forums and these websites 736 00:37:34,514 --> 00:37:38,121 and things like that that tend to track more fill-in-the-blank 737 00:37:38,324 --> 00:37:42,233 demographic that you're looking for and we're going to do more 738 00:37:42,353 --> 00:37:46,030 outreach for this type of group that were underrepresented. 739 00:37:46,030 --> 00:37:47,253 There's nothing wrong with that . 740 00:37:47,253 --> 00:37:47,916 You're reaching out. 741 00:37:47,916 --> 00:37:49,266 You'll get more applicants. 742 00:37:49,266 --> 00:37:51,112 They're going to have to go to the same rigmarole that 743 00:37:51,271 --> 00:37:54,820 everybody else goes through and, as long as the laying field is 744 00:37:54,940 --> 00:37:58,047 fair, yeah, you got more applicants of this protected 745 00:37:58,088 --> 00:38:01,496 class than you, probably not more than the non-protected 746 00:38:01,536 --> 00:38:04,719 classes, but you had more than you would have if you didn't do 747 00:38:04,778 --> 00:38:07,306 those outreach programs and things like that. 748 00:38:07,326 --> 00:38:11,630 So that's really what DEI is really misunderstood with. 749 00:38:11,630 --> 00:38:17,655 Getting rid of it I'm not a fan of because, once again, 750 00:38:18,615 --> 00:38:20,157 sometimes you don't know or you don't. 751 00:38:20,157 --> 00:38:22,699 You know in the back of your head but you don't realize until 752 00:38:22,699 --> 00:38:24,882 it's put in your face that, hey , this is wrong. 753 00:38:24,882 --> 00:38:29,653 But I'm like, okay, but that's the person you're trying to 754 00:38:29,693 --> 00:38:33,134 protect from and if you're a decent organization, you have 755 00:38:33,193 --> 00:38:33,615 people in there. 756 00:38:33,615 --> 00:38:34,518 That's going to put the brain. 757 00:38:34,518 --> 00:38:36,585 A manager's going to say something stupid. 758 00:38:36,585 --> 00:38:40,052 Like that manager's going to say, oh, I don't want a woman 759 00:38:40,313 --> 00:38:44,007 between 20 and 40 because I don't want a loser to having a 760 00:38:44,047 --> 00:38:45,614 baby, I don't want this. 761 00:38:45,634 --> 00:38:48,664 Speaker 1: Or man managers are going to say that and especially 762 00:38:48,664 --> 00:38:51,027 they're going to put it in emails too. 763 00:38:51,027 --> 00:38:53,833 And then I'm going to be like why. 764 00:38:55,635 --> 00:38:56,737 Speaker 2: I've heard this from a few people. 765 00:38:56,737 --> 00:38:58,960 I didn't experience it in my third-party recruiting thing, 766 00:39:05,105 --> 00:39:07,231 but I've heard hiring managers will say the most ridiculous 767 00:39:07,251 --> 00:39:08,393 stuff to a third-party recruiter because they think it 768 00:39:08,414 --> 00:39:08,735 exonerates them. 769 00:39:08,735 --> 00:39:11,106 Oh, we're using this agency headhunter or whatever this 770 00:39:11,166 --> 00:39:13,967 recruiter to hire us so I can tell them yeah, I don't want a 771 00:39:14,007 --> 00:39:15,351 woman between 20 and 40. 772 00:39:15,351 --> 00:39:16,945 I want to make sure someone's going to be here for a while. 773 00:39:16,945 --> 00:39:21,360 Plus, have you looked at the longevity rates of people? 774 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,027 The average person's only staying in a job like less than 775 00:39:24,067 --> 00:39:24,568 three years. 776 00:39:24,628 --> 00:39:28,733 now, I think, is the time, so make the best out of that three 777 00:39:28,773 --> 00:39:32,880 years, and if you're doing well yeah, if you're doing well as an 778 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,431 employer, maybe they're going to stay for four or five, maybe 779 00:39:35,451 --> 00:39:36,413 they'll do more. 780 00:39:36,413 --> 00:39:41,771 But anything over over three years is I'm coming up on six at 781 00:39:41,771 --> 00:39:42,875 my, my current job. 782 00:39:42,875 --> 00:39:45,867 But anything over three years is like oh right, you're winning 783 00:39:45,867 --> 00:39:45,867 . 784 00:39:45,867 --> 00:39:47,371 You're winning the game right now. 785 00:39:47,371 --> 00:39:49,516 Take, take the win and I live. 786 00:39:49,516 --> 00:39:52,353 You know, outside of Virginia beach, the world's largest 787 00:39:52,373 --> 00:39:55,192 military complex, we have military spouses coming going 788 00:39:55,253 --> 00:39:58,516 all the time and around here you're not going to. 789 00:39:58,516 --> 00:40:00,405 You say, oh, we're not going to hire a military, you're going 790 00:40:00,425 --> 00:40:01,369 to be gone in three years. 791 00:40:01,369 --> 00:40:02,193 Why would we hire you? 792 00:40:02,193 --> 00:40:06,315 You would be blacklisted every which way to Sunday. 793 00:40:06,315 --> 00:40:08,150 But you know, just take it. 794 00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:11,434 Hey, I'm going to get the best I can out of this person for the 795 00:40:11,434 --> 00:40:12,014 next three years. 796 00:40:12,014 --> 00:40:14,275 Give them a good working environment and that's all you 797 00:40:14,295 --> 00:40:16,418 have to do well, I'm sorry, I think. 798 00:40:16,717 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 1: I think millennials are the ones that discovered the 799 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,262 secret that if you leave a company and go to another one, 800 00:40:22,905 --> 00:40:23,907 your pay increase. 801 00:40:23,907 --> 00:40:26,492 Like your, your pay is gonna jump. 802 00:40:26,492 --> 00:40:31,007 So I think that's a thing of like, um, if you stay at a 803 00:40:31,027 --> 00:40:32,532 company for a long time. 804 00:40:32,532 --> 00:40:36,166 Your potential for income is so incremental. 805 00:40:36,166 --> 00:40:41,878 But if you leave you can get that sweet sweet negotiation and 806 00:40:41,878 --> 00:40:44,110 you can actually, over the end of time, make more money. 807 00:40:44,110 --> 00:40:46,780 So that's not a dei problem or anything. 808 00:40:46,780 --> 00:40:53,074 That's just companies needing to promote or pay merit better 809 00:40:53,436 --> 00:40:53,876 or whatever. 810 00:40:54,157 --> 00:40:56,226 Speaker 2: So yeah, keep up with the industry. 811 00:40:56,226 --> 00:41:01,858 But anyways, where I was going, people don't understand DEI, 812 00:41:02,565 --> 00:41:03,789 what it is, what it means. 813 00:41:03,789 --> 00:41:05,855 They don't understand affirmative action, what it is 814 00:41:06,014 --> 00:41:06,536 and what it means. 815 00:41:06,536 --> 00:41:11,114 Dei is basically opening the door and letting people know 816 00:41:11,173 --> 00:41:13,259 what some acceptable behaviors are. 817 00:41:13,259 --> 00:41:18,635 Is I mean, honestly, in this day and age, people maybe my age 818 00:41:18,635 --> 00:41:21,907 and older, when you're having to deal with bathrooms and 819 00:41:22,007 --> 00:41:27,077 transgender issues that I I wouldn't have even known what a 820 00:41:27,117 --> 00:41:32,233 trans was 20 years ago, that you hear my, my kids are they. 821 00:41:32,233 --> 00:41:34,436 They have trans friends and they're right. 822 00:41:34,436 --> 00:41:39,539 It's nothing to them, but to me it would be like, oh, you know, 823 00:41:39,539 --> 00:41:41,646 at their age I'd be like what the hell is this? 824 00:41:41,686 --> 00:41:43,208 Speaker 1: and I that's just the world. 825 00:41:43,268 --> 00:41:43,630 Speaker 2: I was in. 826 00:41:44,030 --> 00:41:47,858 Speaker 1: I was in the Kansas City Airport and I am just going 827 00:41:47,858 --> 00:41:51,614 to give a shout out to them because they have the best 828 00:41:52,135 --> 00:41:53,538 gender neutral bathroom. 829 00:41:53,538 --> 00:41:57,916 Well, first, it's the only one I've ever experienced, but it 830 00:41:57,936 --> 00:41:59,306 was so great it was like. 831 00:41:59,306 --> 00:42:02,675 So I don't know if you know this, but women's bathrooms get 832 00:42:02,715 --> 00:42:07,172 a little backed up and I don't want to wait on a line if I have 833 00:42:07,172 --> 00:42:08,436 to go to the bathroom. 834 00:42:08,436 --> 00:42:12,746 Okay, so, kansas City had these gender neutral bathrooms and, 835 00:42:13,429 --> 00:42:17,472 honestly, it was like a common area sink, which is fine. 836 00:42:17,652 --> 00:42:19,496 I don't mind washing my hands next to a man. 837 00:42:19,496 --> 00:42:22,012 Let's wash hands together, let's practice hygiene. 838 00:42:22,012 --> 00:42:25,344 But like the door, they weren't like traditional stalls, they 839 00:42:25,385 --> 00:42:26,126 were like doors. 840 00:42:26,126 --> 00:42:27,628 That was like ceiling to floor. 841 00:42:27,628 --> 00:42:29,809 It was exceptional. 842 00:42:29,809 --> 00:42:38,239 I was in and out so fast and I never felt threatened and I peed 843 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,708 , I washed my hands, I got on my flight. 844 00:42:40,708 --> 00:42:44,197 My life is no different than it was before. 845 00:42:44,197 --> 00:42:48,286 Just, you know, it's really not . 846 00:42:48,286 --> 00:42:52,001 It's nothing groundbreaking, and I am just thankful to the 847 00:42:52,041 --> 00:42:57,496 Kansas City Airport for allowing me to be able to pee and move 848 00:42:57,695 --> 00:42:57,775 on. 849 00:42:57,775 --> 00:42:58,518 Thank you. 850 00:42:59,646 --> 00:43:01,893 Speaker 2: Well, okay, you might be a little young for this. 851 00:43:01,893 --> 00:43:06,972 I don't know if the show Ally McBeal there was such a hubbub 852 00:43:07,032 --> 00:43:07,815 that they had. 853 00:43:07,815 --> 00:43:09,418 What was that in the early? 854 00:43:09,418 --> 00:43:11,190 Was that early nineties, mid ninetiess? 855 00:43:11,289 --> 00:43:15,045 Speaker 1: it was like it was mid to late 90s, but you're 856 00:43:15,065 --> 00:43:20,115 right, they had they had an open restroom thing and people were 857 00:43:20,135 --> 00:43:20,737 in uproar. 858 00:43:20,757 --> 00:43:23,172 Speaker 2: I mean I don't, there wasn't facebook back then. 859 00:43:23,172 --> 00:43:25,121 I don't know how I know so much of people were up. 860 00:43:25,121 --> 00:43:27,588 I just remember people being in uproar and I didn't like. 861 00:43:27,588 --> 00:43:29,972 I didn't watch ali mcbeal, I didn't really care for it. 862 00:43:29,972 --> 00:43:31,135 I I like Jane Krakowski. 863 00:43:31,135 --> 00:43:35,130 She's funny as hell in so many other things, but I didn't watch 864 00:43:35,130 --> 00:43:35,932 the show. 865 00:43:35,932 --> 00:43:40,353 But I know people were fired up about the bathroom situation in 866 00:43:40,353 --> 00:43:42,219 their office and I'm like okay. 867 00:43:43,065 --> 00:43:45,126 Speaker 1: I'm not thinking about anything, man, I just want 868 00:43:45,126 --> 00:43:46,090 to go to the bathroom. 869 00:43:46,090 --> 00:43:47,751 Let me just go do that. 870 00:43:47,751 --> 00:43:50,831 I don't care who's doing it next to me, they might care. 871 00:43:50,831 --> 00:43:51,693 I don't. 872 00:43:51,693 --> 00:44:02,744 Like I have experienced a situation Like so. 873 00:44:02,744 --> 00:44:04,027 People always say DEI is just to like, pander, to like certain 874 00:44:04,027 --> 00:44:04,467 groups, and it's like. 875 00:44:04,467 --> 00:44:06,751 I have seen it work in the opposite way. 876 00:44:06,751 --> 00:44:10,478 Where there was, I might have told the story before. 877 00:44:10,478 --> 00:44:13,144 I'm sorry I might be becoming my mother sharing the same 878 00:44:13,186 --> 00:44:13,626 stories. 879 00:44:13,626 --> 00:44:15,610 If you're new here, congratulations, it's new. 880 00:44:15,610 --> 00:44:21,811 I same company as before with the, the president, or the the 881 00:44:21,891 --> 00:44:22,132 owner. 882 00:44:22,653 --> 00:44:26,764 So the head engine, one of the head engineers, he was an older 883 00:44:26,784 --> 00:44:29,550 gentleman, like he at the time was in his 70s. 884 00:44:29,630 --> 00:44:33,197 He loved what he did and he was good at what he did and he he 885 00:44:33,217 --> 00:44:36,101 was just there and he was doing a great job and he had a team. 886 00:44:36,101 --> 00:44:41,373 He was hiring a new engineer and I remember him looking at 887 00:44:41,393 --> 00:44:44,137 the candidates and there was mathematical assessments they 888 00:44:44,157 --> 00:44:48,231 had to take as part of the interview process and the female 889 00:44:48,231 --> 00:44:53,679 scored lower on those assessments based on, like, just 890 00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:54,119 the scores. 891 00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:56,952 Like we had a few female candidates, one of which scored 892 00:44:57,695 --> 00:45:02,646 lower and basically, like this is the standard, like I know 893 00:45:02,666 --> 00:45:05,034 this is a piece of the puzzle, but you know, let's keep that in 894 00:45:05,034 --> 00:45:05,255 mind. 895 00:45:05,255 --> 00:45:08,576 And I do remember him walking into my office and him saying 896 00:45:10,146 --> 00:45:12,713 well, we can like lower the score a little bit because you 897 00:45:12,753 --> 00:45:15,557 know, women aren't that strong at math compared to men. 898 00:45:15,557 --> 00:45:21,547 To which I said these are the standards we set, these are the 899 00:45:21,586 --> 00:45:23,213 standards that we follow for everyone. 900 00:45:23,213 --> 00:45:26,094 If she does not meet the standard, she does not meet the 901 00:45:26,134 --> 00:45:26,574 standard. 902 00:45:26,574 --> 00:45:34,226 So, like I get it, like I do, because that like and see. 903 00:45:34,367 --> 00:45:37,885 Speaker 2: Maybe he thinks he's being a good person, not by 904 00:45:38,289 --> 00:45:41,914 saying that, right, and you mentioned he's a seven. 905 00:45:41,914 --> 00:45:43,048 Maybe that's a generational thing. 906 00:45:43,048 --> 00:45:43,791 It's a generational thing. 907 00:45:43,811 --> 00:45:44,474 Speaker 1: He's being polite. 908 00:45:44,565 --> 00:45:46,152 Speaker 2: He's trying to be accommodating. 909 00:45:46,152 --> 00:45:48,110 Maybe he has a hotspot as this woman. 910 00:45:48,110 --> 00:45:48,490 I don't know. 911 00:45:48,510 --> 00:45:55,266 Speaker 1: Daisy, he did Honestly, she was a cutie and he 912 00:45:55,266 --> 00:45:57,271 was like older and I'm like it could have been, like I'm not 913 00:45:57,291 --> 00:45:59,916 saying no, but who knows it could have. 914 00:46:00,396 --> 00:46:01,199 Speaker 2: It could have been. 915 00:46:01,199 --> 00:46:05,376 Maybe it wasn't as as wholesome as I was trying to make it out 916 00:46:05,416 --> 00:46:08,288 to be as well, but that's that's another thing. 917 00:46:08,288 --> 00:46:13,394 And I, you know, I want to know and you were discussing this 918 00:46:13,494 --> 00:46:16,778 off-air a bit which got my squirrelly brain going 919 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:22,086 Harassment, because our training is Harassment plus DEI and we 920 00:46:22,106 --> 00:46:28,268 have a company that does it for us and it's a good program, but 921 00:46:28,409 --> 00:46:30,092 is this going to impact harassment? 922 00:46:30,092 --> 00:46:30,914 You know, is it going to be? 923 00:46:30,914 --> 00:46:32,998 Oh, you need to expect to. 924 00:46:32,998 --> 00:46:36,994 You know, be oogled at or ogled at, whatever the word is. 925 00:46:36,994 --> 00:46:40,693 Or, you know, get your ass slapped every once in a while in 926 00:46:40,693 --> 00:46:43,393 the office place and things like that. 927 00:46:43,393 --> 00:46:47,496 And you know where is this line going to be? 928 00:46:47,496 --> 00:46:50,594 Because, you know, is it going to be one of those? 929 00:46:50,594 --> 00:46:51,166 What do they call it? 930 00:46:51,166 --> 00:46:51,947 The broken window. 931 00:46:51,947 --> 00:46:55,614 First, you have this goes oh, nobody cares, you just broke one 932 00:46:55,614 --> 00:46:55,856 window. 933 00:46:55,856 --> 00:46:57,438 Next, you break another window oh, nobody cares. 934 00:46:57,438 --> 00:46:59,590 Next, the building doesn't have any windows because you've 935 00:46:59,871 --> 00:47:01,596 broken all the windows, maya. 936 00:47:01,596 --> 00:47:03,630 So what's next? 937 00:47:04,686 --> 00:47:07,934 Speaker 1: So my mom used to work in an office environment in 938 00:47:07,934 --> 00:47:19,628 the 80s in the 80s and I do remember she was helping with 939 00:47:19,650 --> 00:47:21,333 like, with interviews or something for I don't know what 940 00:47:21,353 --> 00:47:23,818 position, but in any case, her boss basically said something 941 00:47:23,858 --> 00:47:26,329 along the lines of I really like this one candidate, who 942 00:47:26,349 --> 00:47:30,086 happened to be a very attractive female, and she was like what 943 00:47:30,106 --> 00:47:31,373 was it about it that you liked? 944 00:47:31,373 --> 00:47:35,306 And he said I liked the way she walked away from me. 945 00:47:35,306 --> 00:47:49,179 And I'm just saying that these are the things that we could be 946 00:47:49,318 --> 00:47:56,295 letting slip through the cracks again, if we're doing away with 947 00:47:56,315 --> 00:47:58,827 DEI, if we're doing away with the EEOC, if we're doing away 948 00:47:58,847 --> 00:48:03,045 with all this stuff, because, again, this is the reality of 949 00:48:03,206 --> 00:48:08,032 the world we live in and those guardrails were put in place for 950 00:48:08,032 --> 00:48:09,364 a reason yeah. 951 00:48:10,648 --> 00:48:15,329 I liked the way she walked away from me, or I think he said he 952 00:48:15,369 --> 00:48:17,713 liked the view as she walked away from him. 953 00:48:17,713 --> 00:48:18,677 I think that's what he said. 954 00:48:18,717 --> 00:48:19,237 Speaker 2: Getting better. 955 00:48:20,905 --> 00:48:23,269 Speaker 1: And I will say that the reason my mom or not the 956 00:48:23,309 --> 00:48:27,818 reason, but my mom was driving on her way to the interview. 957 00:48:27,818 --> 00:48:32,152 An asshole kind of cut her off as she was, like kind of turning 958 00:48:32,152 --> 00:48:37,590 toward the office for the interview and what he did, she 959 00:48:37,632 --> 00:48:41,219 slammed her horn and gave the guy the finger and when she 960 00:48:41,264 --> 00:48:45,592 walked in and ended up being the hiring manager, oh, to which 961 00:48:46,434 --> 00:48:50,869 they had an interview, and then he goes, you know what I like 962 00:48:50,909 --> 00:48:54,016 your attitude, like you don't take shit from people, I can 963 00:48:54,077 --> 00:48:54,338 tell. 964 00:48:54,338 --> 00:48:56,072 And she ended up getting the job. 965 00:48:57,286 --> 00:49:00,173 But, my mom just like flicked this guy off because he was an 966 00:49:00,333 --> 00:49:01,157 asshole on the road. 967 00:49:02,706 --> 00:49:04,353 Speaker 2: Hey, that's awesome. 968 00:49:04,353 --> 00:49:05,809 I like that story. 969 00:49:06,110 --> 00:49:11,072 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so anyway , like that's just the stuff 970 00:49:11,092 --> 00:49:11,835 that's on my mind. 971 00:49:11,835 --> 00:49:15,666 It just drives me crazy and I think when people say that stuff 972 00:49:15,666 --> 00:49:22,869 never happens, they're either I hate like they're part of a 973 00:49:22,909 --> 00:49:26,391 privileged group of people who never had to like really worry 974 00:49:26,431 --> 00:49:30,972 about that and to say that it doesn't matter and to say that 975 00:49:30,992 --> 00:49:33,855 it won't affect you is a privilege, because there are 976 00:49:33,894 --> 00:49:37,016 people that this will affect, and I also think about all the 977 00:49:37,056 --> 00:49:41,398 DEI professionals who are in HR right now who are now working in 978 00:49:41,398 --> 00:49:47,420 a quote unquote illegal field, and how many people are going to 979 00:49:47,420 --> 00:49:49,221 lose their jobs over this as well. 980 00:49:49,221 --> 00:49:51,402 Like there's a lot of things. 981 00:49:51,402 --> 00:49:53,083 And also look at Target. 982 00:49:53,083 --> 00:49:59,447 I mean there's just lists every day of companies that are 983 00:49:59,467 --> 00:50:00,168 dropping DEI, oh did. 984 00:50:00,228 --> 00:50:00,449 Target. 985 00:50:00,449 --> 00:50:04,315 Target just dropped DEI and I don't know if you heard this, 986 00:50:04,416 --> 00:50:06,338 but like Target dropped DEI. 987 00:50:06,338 --> 00:50:13,815 So now Minnesota Pride, where Target is headquartered, dropped 988 00:50:13,815 --> 00:50:15,784 Target from the Pride sponsorship. 989 00:50:15,784 --> 00:50:18,606 They're like we don't need your money, target. 990 00:50:18,606 --> 00:50:20,170 And when they did that, because I think Target gave like 991 00:50:20,190 --> 00:50:23,096 $50,000 toward the Pride event, they're like you can suck it. 992 00:50:23,096 --> 00:50:27,688 And then they ended up raising $75,000 because of that act. 993 00:50:27,688 --> 00:50:32,193 And there are companies that do DEI performatively. 994 00:50:32,193 --> 00:50:35,155 I now believe Target is one of them, because I do believe 995 00:50:35,235 --> 00:50:38,099 Target started their DEI initiative right after George 996 00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:40,681 Floyd and they were doing it in a way, and a lot of companies 997 00:50:40,762 --> 00:50:42,271 did, a lot of companies did. 998 00:50:42,644 --> 00:50:44,813 Speaker 2: That's when DEI really exploded. 999 00:50:44,813 --> 00:50:50,753 Yes, before Floyd, it really was a thing. 1000 00:50:50,753 --> 00:50:54,619 That's when it exploded because in that brief period of time 1001 00:50:54,704 --> 00:50:58,653 you had Brianna, you had George Floyd I can't remember Brianna's 1002 00:50:58,653 --> 00:51:03,233 last name you had a lot of not so good social injustice issues 1003 00:51:03,594 --> 00:51:05,719 going on at that immediate time. 1004 00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,048 But yeah, but DEI itself is an illegal. 1005 00:51:09,048 --> 00:51:12,923 It's illegal DEI and which is not being defined so what does 1006 00:51:12,943 --> 00:51:13,164 that mean? 1007 00:51:13,164 --> 00:51:15,231 Yeah, it doesn't like again. 1008 00:51:15,231 --> 00:51:17,581 The million dollar question is is that now? 1009 00:51:17,601 --> 00:51:21,311 Speaker 1: going to be talking about, like I mean, I'm thinking 1010 00:51:21,311 --> 00:51:24,396 about things like, uh, working with neurodivergent people. 1011 00:51:24,396 --> 00:51:27,168 Like that's dei, we can't talk about that anymore. 1012 00:51:27,168 --> 00:51:30,193 Is it showing empathy at work? 1013 00:51:30,193 --> 00:51:34,699 Empathy is a code word for DEI, so we can't do that anymore, 1014 00:51:34,764 --> 00:51:35,746 like it's just. 1015 00:51:35,746 --> 00:51:38,934 And now I'm hearing like whispers that there's going to 1016 00:51:38,954 --> 00:51:43,110 be like a task force in the government that's like, oh, 1017 00:51:43,532 --> 00:51:47,384 we're going to be paying out people who basically rat their 1018 00:51:47,423 --> 00:51:51,813 companies out to be like, hey, my company's doing a training 1019 00:51:52,554 --> 00:51:56,768 and now I get like a $30,000 or some whatever, some fee for 1020 00:51:56,809 --> 00:51:58,431 basically like a rat line. 1021 00:51:58,431 --> 00:52:01,704 And I don't know but I don't know how many of you went to 1022 00:52:01,744 --> 00:52:03,487 school but snitches get stitches . 1023 00:52:03,487 --> 00:52:05,367 Stop your shit. 1024 00:52:06,449 --> 00:52:13,856 Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah it's, it's crazy and, like I said, my 1025 00:52:13,916 --> 00:52:17,278 stance as of right now, personally and professional 1026 00:52:17,958 --> 00:52:21,702 let's not get overly excited about it right now, 1027 00:52:23,164 --> 00:52:25,972 professionally, we had 90 days from whatever the inaction of 1028 00:52:25,992 --> 00:52:28,878 the order to be compliant with these orders. 1029 00:52:28,878 --> 00:52:32,199 So let's see exactly how it shakes out and maybe they'll 1030 00:52:32,219 --> 00:52:35,472 give us more direction on some of these very broad, vague 1031 00:52:35,572 --> 00:52:35,875 things. 1032 00:52:35,875 --> 00:52:41,807 Because the holes in these executive orders you can drive a 1033 00:52:41,807 --> 00:52:42,329 bus through. 1034 00:52:42,329 --> 00:52:48,045 And if you and I read the same thing and both being I think 1035 00:52:48,085 --> 00:52:54,791 we're both kind of smart people but we can get different 1036 00:52:55,494 --> 00:52:58,800 readings of not knowing what to do out of the same thing. 1037 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:03,893 If we can't, if we don't know what to do, and the attorneys of 1038 00:53:03,893 --> 00:53:07,159 my law firm they're saying we're still trying to parse this 1039 00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:17,592 all together and you know, just , you know, be ready, make plans 1040 00:53:17,592 --> 00:53:19,436 , start getting ready, but don't take any action quite yet 1041 00:53:19,456 --> 00:53:20,579 unless you know you're doing something overtly wrong. 1042 00:53:20,659 --> 00:53:23,931 But another thing that went away all these VIRVA audits. 1043 00:53:23,931 --> 00:53:26,958 Okay, I don't know if I ever mentioned on the podcast like 1044 00:53:27,144 --> 00:53:31,233 three years ago my company got hit with a V audit, the Vietnam 1045 00:53:31,373 --> 00:53:33,766 era veterans readjustment Act. 1046 00:53:33,766 --> 00:53:40,760 Oh gosh, our company is 40 plus percent prior service. 1047 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,646 Our COO is a retired Admiral. 1048 00:53:43,646 --> 00:53:45,972 We have so much military. 1049 00:53:45,972 --> 00:53:47,335 We work on Navy ships. 1050 00:53:47,335 --> 00:53:49,695 Because we're a civilian contractor working on these Navy 1051 00:53:49,695 --> 00:53:52,751 ships, we hire a lot of people from the Navy who worked on 1052 00:53:52,791 --> 00:53:56,090 these ships and we've won I'll toot my own horn here we've won 1053 00:53:56,552 --> 00:53:58,938 some best for vets and a military friendly. 1054 00:53:58,938 --> 00:54:02,054 We've won those type of awards and accolades and things like 1055 00:54:02,074 --> 00:54:02,175 that. 1056 00:54:02,175 --> 00:54:05,288 And yet we still got a VIRVA audit. 1057 00:54:05,288 --> 00:54:09,092 That ended up we passed with flying colors, no problems at 1058 00:54:09,112 --> 00:54:09,172 all. 1059 00:54:09,172 --> 00:54:14,177 But in attorney's fees it was over $50,000 in attorney's fees 1060 00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:19,452 to represent us in our VERBA audit, vevra, whatever you want 1061 00:54:19,472 --> 00:54:19,974 to say audit. 1062 00:54:19,974 --> 00:54:25,074 And not only was it $50,000 of attorney's fees, it was just the 1063 00:54:25,074 --> 00:54:27,298 complete obnoxiousness. 1064 00:54:27,298 --> 00:54:27,786 You know. 1065 00:54:27,786 --> 00:54:30,313 Here's our 4142. 1066 00:54:30,313 --> 00:54:31,525 Check us out we're doing. 1067 00:54:31,525 --> 00:54:34,030 You know there's no way you can say we're discriminating 1068 00:54:34,070 --> 00:54:37,197 against veterans in this, this thing. 1069 00:54:37,344 --> 00:54:40,614 And they, they wanted to, you know. 1070 00:54:40,614 --> 00:54:43,601 And they, they overstepped, in my opinion, if they're a verva, 1071 00:54:44,001 --> 00:54:45,085 they overstepped their boundaries. 1072 00:54:45,085 --> 00:54:47,389 I thought they wanted to go in our bathrooms, make sure they 1073 00:54:47,429 --> 00:54:49,972 are handicapped accessible, and they are, you know. 1074 00:54:49,972 --> 00:54:53,806 You know we have handicap parking, so they want to make 1075 00:54:53,826 --> 00:54:54,407 sure we have this. 1076 00:54:54,407 --> 00:54:55,992 And we, you know, we do. 1077 00:54:55,992 --> 00:54:56,655 You know it. 1078 00:54:56,655 --> 00:54:59,724 It should have been okay, five minutes. 1079 00:54:59,724 --> 00:55:02,951 Here's our last 10 years of 4142s. 1080 00:55:02,951 --> 00:55:06,056 Walk around, look at our bathrooms all day long, look, 1081 00:55:06,498 --> 00:55:07,786 and we're compliant. 1082 00:55:08,226 --> 00:55:12,835 But no, it was months and months and they would just ask that. 1083 00:55:12,835 --> 00:55:15,407 I can't remember any of these dumb ass questions. 1084 00:55:15,407 --> 00:55:18,092 They'd ask and why this and why that? 1085 00:55:18,092 --> 00:55:22,139 And uh, I'm like I, I don't know why. 1086 00:55:22,139 --> 00:55:26,817 Oh, I remember one time a veteran who was disabled at one 1087 00:55:26,836 --> 00:55:28,824 of the accommodations they wanted. 1088 00:55:28,824 --> 00:55:31,652 They needed a special chair and you know what. 1089 00:55:31,652 --> 00:55:35,329 They came to me in hr and said oh, I need a different chair to 1090 00:55:35,650 --> 00:55:37,735 you know, support, my, I said send me a link. 1091 00:55:37,735 --> 00:55:39,608 That's all I said send me a link. 1092 00:55:39,608 --> 00:55:43,059 She had it like within a week and it wasn't. 1093 00:55:43,059 --> 00:55:44,945 Well, let's talk about a reasonable accommodation. 1094 00:55:44,945 --> 00:55:46,407 Okay, a 500 chair? 1095 00:55:46,407 --> 00:55:47,469 Oh yeah, I'm going to pay that. 1096 00:55:47,469 --> 00:55:51,396 I'm going to pay that, I'm going to buy that tomorrow and 1097 00:55:51,717 --> 00:55:52,579 not, I don't know. 1098 00:55:53,266 --> 00:55:57,838 I will be very happy that these Verva audits, these EEO audits. 1099 00:55:57,838 --> 00:56:01,170 Well, eeo, if you're not playing the game right, yeah, 1100 00:56:01,210 --> 00:56:02,894 you need to be audited and you need to be punished. 1101 00:56:02,894 --> 00:56:06,976 But I think 99% of people are doing the right thing, at least 1102 00:56:07,016 --> 00:56:07,356 I hope. 1103 00:56:07,356 --> 00:56:12,414 Maybe I'm being naive, but that 1% that's not needs to be 1104 00:56:12,474 --> 00:56:15,659 hammered and hammered hard, but the rest of us leave us. 1105 00:56:15,659 --> 00:56:21,307 Oh, here's the other thing, and I've been on my soapbox. 1106 00:56:21,307 --> 00:56:24,371 I don't know if I've done it on the podcast, even though we're 1107 00:56:24,411 --> 00:56:25,614 well over an hour recording. 1108 00:56:25,614 --> 00:56:30,119 Now we're going to be doing some editing here, but I hate 1109 00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:31,721 the EO1 report. 1110 00:56:31,721 --> 00:56:38,750 I hate the 4142. 1111 00:56:38,769 --> 00:56:39,916 We're a good employer, we do what we think, we pay social 1112 00:56:39,956 --> 00:56:40,257 security taxes. 1113 00:56:40,257 --> 00:56:41,565 So therefore you have all our employees and their social 1114 00:56:41,605 --> 00:56:42,186 security numbers. 1115 00:56:42,186 --> 00:56:45,480 So you know better than I do what their race is, what their 1116 00:56:45,882 --> 00:56:48,106 disability they may have, their veteran status. 1117 00:56:48,106 --> 00:56:51,813 You know all that fun stuff more than I do. 1118 00:56:51,813 --> 00:56:53,938 I will never forget. 1119 00:56:53,938 --> 00:56:58,150 For EEO purposes, if someone does not fill out the form, the 1120 00:56:58,251 --> 00:57:01,806 self-identification form, you get to either A make an 1121 00:57:01,826 --> 00:57:06,916 assumption of what they are or, b they become a white male. 1122 00:57:06,916 --> 00:57:09,108 Everybody becomes a white male if otherwise. 1123 00:57:09,108 --> 00:57:13,476 So those are the rules of the EEO and I'll never forget. 1124 00:57:13,677 --> 00:57:18,355 We had a new HRS system at this company and when people did, I 1125 00:57:18,375 --> 00:57:19,197 forget what they had to do. 1126 00:57:19,197 --> 00:57:21,570 But we asked them to check their demographic information 1127 00:57:21,632 --> 00:57:25,324 out to make sure it was accurate , and somebody got very upset 1128 00:57:25,846 --> 00:57:30,255 that they were listed in there as a white female when they are 1129 00:57:30,315 --> 00:57:31,077 Native American. 1130 00:57:31,077 --> 00:57:36,367 I didn't make that assumption that predated me, but somebody 1131 00:57:36,387 --> 00:57:38,072 made that assumption and I wouldn't have ever known. 1132 00:57:38,072 --> 00:57:41,369 But they got upset about it and I'm like, okay, well, and I 1133 00:57:41,409 --> 00:57:44,217 went back and you know, this was in the day, pen and paper was 1134 00:57:44,405 --> 00:57:45,768 like I said it was a new HRS system. 1135 00:57:45,768 --> 00:57:49,126 They put the refuse to identify and I'm like, okay, if that's 1136 00:57:49,166 --> 00:57:50,387 fine, you want to do that. 1137 00:57:50,387 --> 00:57:53,996 But they got upset that somebody made the assumptions on 1138 00:57:53,996 --> 00:57:54,637 their behalf. 1139 00:57:54,637 --> 00:57:58,427 But oh well, that just is something that always stood out 1140 00:57:58,447 --> 00:58:00,289 to me, how upset they got about that. 1141 00:58:00,289 --> 00:58:02,550 I'm like it's easy to fix. 1142 00:58:02,550 --> 00:58:07,367 We can Do a little drop down and choose Native American from 1143 00:58:07,387 --> 00:58:08,188 the drop down box. 1144 00:58:08,188 --> 00:58:08,952 Real, quick and easy. 1145 00:58:09,054 --> 00:58:12,164 Speaker 1: It's an annual self-identification campaign 1146 00:58:12,735 --> 00:58:17,963 Like hey, like just a push to be like you know, go in your HRIS 1147 00:58:18,023 --> 00:58:23,737 and update things like you know your demographics, yeah, like 1148 00:58:23,757 --> 00:58:25,043 that's all self-identifiable. 1149 00:58:25,043 --> 00:58:26,257 So you got to. 1150 00:58:26,257 --> 00:58:28,842 This is just a friendly reminder that you should do it 1151 00:58:29,264 --> 00:58:29,945 if you're asked. 1152 00:58:29,945 --> 00:58:31,068 Yeah. 1153 00:58:31,235 --> 00:58:32,521 Speaker 2: And you know I don't get offended. 1154 00:58:32,641 --> 00:58:33,686 Speaker 1: I don't get offended. 1155 00:58:33,855 --> 00:58:35,902 Speaker 2: I have a crew who can say you're Native American. 1156 00:58:35,902 --> 00:58:37,942 Well, we're going to fire you tomorrow because we don't allow 1157 00:58:37,981 --> 00:58:38,384 them here. 1158 00:58:38,384 --> 00:58:41,317 But I think that also. 1159 00:58:41,717 --> 00:58:45,563 Speaker 1: So I think that kind of also speaks to the just like 1160 00:58:45,583 --> 00:58:48,527 this inner fear that people probably have, that people are 1161 00:58:48,567 --> 00:58:52,643 probably like wired with from a young age that I mean it's a 1162 00:58:52,684 --> 00:58:55,460 perspective that I don't understand because I'm a white 1163 00:58:55,501 --> 00:59:02,768 female, but I can imagine, like somebody who has those fears in 1164 00:59:02,807 --> 00:59:05,257 them, they might not want to self-identify because they've 1165 00:59:05,277 --> 00:59:08,376 probably experienced things in their life that kind of makes 1166 00:59:08,516 --> 00:59:13,420 and this is why DEI and this is why all that stuff is important 1167 00:59:13,639 --> 00:59:16,481 you feel like they belong and feel like they are not 1168 00:59:16,501 --> 00:59:32,478 discriminated against and people accept them for who they am. 1169 00:59:32,478 --> 00:59:36,208 Something very magical happens and it's called retention. 1170 00:59:36,208 --> 00:59:43,704 So there is a very good business case for DEI, not just 1171 00:59:43,764 --> 00:59:49,103 like the oh it's a basic human need to be empathetic. 1172 00:59:49,275 --> 00:59:52,476 Like you should probably have some empathy and if you don't, 1173 00:59:53,539 --> 00:59:57,981 maybe you should see someone, end of the day, like it's a very 1174 00:59:57,981 --> 01:00:02,398 good business case, like we don't want to be continuously 1175 01:00:02,458 --> 01:00:05,762 recruiting for roles because people are leaving, because they 1176 01:00:05,762 --> 01:00:08,186 work in an environment that makes them uncomfortable, that 1177 01:00:08,206 --> 01:00:11,809 makes them this, that makes them that, like there's solid 1178 01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:12,791 business cases for this. 1179 01:00:12,791 --> 01:00:17,664 And the one thing I've learned in HR is you got to talk to 1180 01:00:17,704 --> 01:00:23,518 people in terms of money, not the touchy, feely pieces, 1181 01:00:23,719 --> 01:00:27,005 because that's where you might lose some senior leaders. 1182 01:00:27,005 --> 01:00:31,117 So when you make a business case on how to push something or 1183 01:00:31,117 --> 01:00:34,458 you have an initiative that you want to propose, tie it back to 1184 01:00:34,458 --> 01:00:35,621 ROI and money. 1185 01:00:35,621 --> 01:00:37,487 But yeah, Absolutely. 1186 01:00:37,894 --> 01:00:39,201 DEI is not touchy-feely. 1187 01:00:39,201 --> 01:00:41,362 It's actually good for the business it is. 1188 01:00:42,143 --> 01:00:42,646 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 1189 01:00:42,646 --> 01:00:45,923 That's the title of our podcast today. 1190 01:00:45,943 --> 01:00:46,606 Speaker 1: Suck on that. 1191 01:00:48,936 --> 01:00:50,342 Speaker 2: That'll be the second part of the title. 1192 01:00:50,342 --> 01:00:54,516 One thing you were saying about self-identifying you know I 1193 01:00:54,536 --> 01:00:57,344 talk to my son is applying to all these internships and he is 1194 01:00:57,405 --> 01:00:58,568 on the autism spectrum. 1195 01:00:58,568 --> 01:01:02,523 But when it comes to that side of it he just puts I decline to 1196 01:01:02,583 --> 01:01:04,728 identify because he doesn't want to lie. 1197 01:01:04,728 --> 01:01:08,525 But he doesn't want, he doesn't think of himself in that way. 1198 01:01:08,525 --> 01:01:10,960 You know, he's brilliantly smart. 1199 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,675 He used to be teased by members of our own family calling him 1200 01:01:14,735 --> 01:01:17,844 Dr Sheldon Cooper because he is brilliantly smart. 1201 01:01:17,844 --> 01:01:21,518 But sometimes the social cues are out of his reach. 1202 01:01:21,518 --> 01:01:27,407 But as he's gotten older he's done a lot better with it. 1203 01:01:27,407 --> 01:01:31,936 But he asked me he's done a lot better, uh, with it. 1204 01:01:31,936 --> 01:01:32,577 But he asked me what do I put? 1205 01:01:32,577 --> 01:01:33,740 I said I said I said go ahead and mark it, you know uh. 1206 01:01:33,740 --> 01:01:35,746 I said nobody said until it's time to run these reports, 1207 01:01:35,826 --> 01:01:36,547 nobody looks at it. 1208 01:01:36,976 --> 01:01:38,362 Speaker 1: Those reports aren't like that. 1209 01:01:38,362 --> 01:01:41,295 Demographic information isn't available to the hiring manager. 1210 01:01:41,295 --> 01:01:44,617 No, exactly back end stuff. 1211 01:01:44,617 --> 01:01:47,737 The hiring manager isn't looking to see if you have any 1212 01:01:47,757 --> 01:01:52,179 disabilities, like they don't know that and honestly they're 1213 01:01:52,300 --> 01:01:56,782 probably not going to know that unless you tell them, especially 1214 01:01:56,782 --> 01:02:04,065 if it's something invisible like that you know, in our 1215 01:02:04,126 --> 01:02:07,608 system, our recruiter, the only people who have access to the 1216 01:02:07,907 --> 01:02:12,670 self-identification information are me and my HR assistant. 1217 01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:14,650 Speaker 2: Our recruiter doesn't have access to it. 1218 01:02:14,650 --> 01:02:17,251 And you know when do we use it? 1219 01:02:17,251 --> 01:02:20,293 When we're doing our affirmative action and EO plans. 1220 01:02:20,293 --> 01:02:24,217 That's when we use that information. 1221 01:02:24,217 --> 01:02:27,284 And so nobody along the hiring process sees that info. 1222 01:02:27,284 --> 01:02:28,307 Nobody cares. 1223 01:02:28,307 --> 01:02:28,976 Nobody's asking you. 1224 01:02:28,976 --> 01:02:32,164 By the way, what is the deal with Warren? 1225 01:02:32,164 --> 01:02:32,585 What's his? 1226 01:02:32,585 --> 01:02:33,146 You know. 1227 01:02:33,427 --> 01:02:37,219 Speaker 1: Yeah, For me. 1228 01:02:37,219 --> 01:02:39,985 I want to see if he has any latent disabilities that we 1229 01:02:40,005 --> 01:02:40,525 don't know about. 1230 01:02:40,545 --> 01:02:43,516 Speaker 2: That's not how that works Undiagnosed. 1231 01:02:43,516 --> 01:02:44,922 Add out the yin-yang. 1232 01:02:48,074 --> 01:02:49,940 Speaker 1: Neurodivergency is fun yeah. 1233 01:02:50,260 --> 01:02:52,907 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, anyways, we've been ranting. 1234 01:02:52,907 --> 01:02:55,400 I'm going to try and edit this to be under an hour even though 1235 01:02:55,420 --> 01:02:58,197 it's been well over an hour, but we'll, we'll see. 1236 01:02:58,197 --> 01:03:01,045 I hope you enjoyed this very long episode, but it's all been 1237 01:03:01,065 --> 01:03:01,626 a lot of fun. 1238 01:03:01,626 --> 01:03:04,001 And you know, we know we went down a lot of rabbit holes, 1239 01:03:04,021 --> 01:03:05,224 which maybe I'll edit some out. 1240 01:03:05,224 --> 01:03:14,737 But yeah, you know, this is important and we'll probably 1241 01:03:14,757 --> 01:03:16,525 talk a little bit more about this as more becomes available. 1242 01:03:16,545 --> 01:03:18,110 You know the the jaded part of this is you're throwing all this 1243 01:03:18,110 --> 01:03:19,193 shit at us without any direction and nobody's knowing. 1244 01:03:19,193 --> 01:03:23,568 I mean, you know, if this is what you want to do, fine, I'll 1245 01:03:23,608 --> 01:03:27,016 get over it, I'll live and the world will live and every babe 1246 01:03:27,056 --> 01:03:27,257 will. 1247 01:03:27,257 --> 01:03:30,543 Ultimately, the country will be just fine, and however many 1248 01:03:30,583 --> 01:03:33,327 more years, but everything's going to be. 1249 01:03:33,327 --> 01:03:37,463 We've survived worse in this country and in the world, so 1250 01:03:37,664 --> 01:03:40,795 let's not, let's not overreact, but let's just take it with a 1251 01:03:40,835 --> 01:03:42,159 grain of salt and see what comes . 1252 01:03:42,159 --> 01:03:46,536 But I'm sure this is going to give us a lot more fodder to to 1253 01:03:46,677 --> 01:03:49,786 discuss in the in future episodes as things go and then 1254 01:03:50,076 --> 01:03:51,280 when the lawsuits come out about it. 1255 01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,333 That's going to be a lot of fun too and they're starting. 1256 01:03:54,514 --> 01:03:56,804 Speaker 1: So I'm very interested and and not to make a 1257 01:03:56,804 --> 01:04:00,637 long episode even longer, but I will be watching the, because I 1258 01:04:00,637 --> 01:04:06,063 think the fbi agents are now filing a lawsuit against. 1259 01:04:06,063 --> 01:04:10,949 They're filing a lawsuit for in for unjust firing, because as 1260 01:04:10,989 --> 01:04:11,690 retaliation. 1261 01:04:11,690 --> 01:04:16,264 So, oh, because they were like you know the january 6th stuff 1262 01:04:16,585 --> 01:04:17,706 and they were all let go. 1263 01:04:17,706 --> 01:04:20,905 So now it's like now they're filing a lawsuit, which I think 1264 01:04:20,985 --> 01:04:21,768 is justifiable. 1265 01:04:21,768 --> 01:04:23,996 They should fire a lawsuit because that is retaliation. 1266 01:04:23,996 --> 01:04:27,764 They were just doing their job yeah, I. 1267 01:04:28,085 --> 01:04:28,666 Speaker 2: I saw something. 1268 01:04:28,666 --> 01:04:29,307 I didn't do any. 1269 01:04:29,307 --> 01:04:30,476 I saw something on it. 1270 01:04:30,476 --> 01:04:31,217 I saw a headline. 1271 01:04:31,217 --> 01:04:33,523 I didn't dive into it or look at it. 1272 01:04:33,523 --> 01:04:34,945 Get that money. 1273 01:04:40,259 --> 01:04:42,804 Speaker 1: I don't stand for retaliation, so get that money, 1274 01:04:42,945 --> 01:04:43,527 grab that bag. 1275 01:04:45,195 --> 01:04:48,286 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll just have so much for the next 1276 01:04:48,367 --> 01:04:48,708 episode. 1277 01:04:48,708 --> 01:04:51,617 We could keep going on this, but anyhow, thank you for 1278 01:04:51,657 --> 01:04:54,364 listening and for if you've made it through this whole episode. 1279 01:04:54,364 --> 01:04:55,246 We love you. 1280 01:04:55,246 --> 01:04:56,721 You've been, it's been, I don't know. 1281 01:04:56,721 --> 01:04:59,193 We've done a couple episodes over an hour in the past, but 1282 01:04:59,233 --> 01:05:00,115 it's been a long time. 1283 01:05:00,115 --> 01:05:04,126 I I my target is 30 minutes, but I don't think the last, I 1284 01:05:04,206 --> 01:05:06,458 don't know the last time we've done a 30 minute episode either. 1285 01:05:06,458 --> 01:05:08,882 It's been around 40. 1286 01:05:09,021 --> 01:05:13,088 It's an hour now it's an hour now, oh, hour 15 right now, and, 1287 01:05:13,088 --> 01:05:15,038 like I said, it'll be well, I'll let it. 1288 01:05:15,038 --> 01:05:17,985 I'll see what I can do in the magic magic of editing tomorrow 1289 01:05:18,045 --> 01:05:18,246 night. 1290 01:05:18,246 --> 01:05:23,170 So anyways, as always, I'm warren, I'm cc and we're here 1291 01:05:23,210 --> 01:05:24,914 helping you survive hr1. 1292 01:05:24,914 --> 01:05:25,597 What the fuck? 1293 01:05:25,597 --> 01:05:26,699 Moment at a time? 1294 01:05:26,699 --> 01:05:27,380 What the fuck? 1295 01:05:27,380 --> 01:05:30,106 Yeah, exactly what the fuck.