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Speaker 3: I'm Cece.

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Speaker 2: Right, wow, so
obviously the office episode

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still isn't post.

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I am going to spend some time
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this episode is going to come
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does.

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But that'll be next, and our
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going to be a special one, so
stay tuned for that everybody.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see here.

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So it's been an interesting.

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You know I'm not going to go
into all the details that we've

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been talking offline and about
the interesting two weeks I've

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had and you've had an
interesting two weeks as well,

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but, wow, shit's getting real
sometimes.

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Speaker 3: Seriously.

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Speaker 2: But anyways.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy out there.

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Speaker 2: Literally yeah.

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And speaking of crazy, that
just blows us straight into one

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of the topics I was going to see
some, some crazy people on.

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Well, I'll start with the baby
wombat thief.

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I I I haven't followed the
story other than what's on the

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news, but you see the video.

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She's videoed herself of
stealing the baby wombat from

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its mother and my thing is okay.

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What the hell is she going to
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You're not going to be able to
put it on a plane and take it

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back to the United States with
you or anything.

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Customs is not going to look
favorably upon that.

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Speaker 3: It's so dumb.

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She was just doing it for clout
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It's clear that she just wanted
social media followers.

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Yeah, like, it's clear that she
just wanted social media

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followers.

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And, oh like, leave it alone.

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And the way the mother was like
, oh no, she deserves to be like

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she deserves diarrhea.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think it should
be worse.

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You know, australia should
deport her to someplace horrible

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and not let her go back to the
United States, at least

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immediately.

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And I just, and once again, I
haven't seen anything more than

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what was on the news, but it
seems like at first she was

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snapping back at people who were
coming at her for it, and today

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on the news actually, I saw I
spent too much time waiting in

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the lobby where we have all the
news monitors and I see these

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things and she's apologizing
profusely and what has happened

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is she's getting canceled
rightfully so, and yeah, and now

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, oh my gosh, right, and I don't
know how many followers she had

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, or sponsorship deals or
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have had, but still, you don't
mess with Australia, animals too

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Half of them are poisonous.

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They're not going to kill you,
yeah.

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Speaker 3: Half of them can kill
you and the others are

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protected and they take that
stuff so seriously.

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Oh yeah, so I mean, just don't
mess, Don't touch the animals.

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It's not a petting zoo.

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The world is not your petting
zoo.

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Speaker 2: Okay, speaking of
which, I have a little patch.

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Don't pet the fluffy cows.

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I used to love Yellowstone
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I probably won't go there ever
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It's insanity on steroids, but
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One of my favorite Instagram
sites is Torons of Yellowstone,

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and you see all these people
getting way too close to Buffalo

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There's one not too long ago
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but whoever's videotaping it
sort of runs away before you get

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to see the person get tossed
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And I'm like you know, I'm
rooting every time I see those

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things.

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I'm rooting for the Buffalo,
I'm rooting for the bear, the

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buffalo.

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I'm rooting for the bear.

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I'm rooting for you know.

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Okay, yeah, if you play stupid
games, win stupid prizes, and I

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just love seeing that.

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The same thing applies to this.

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This lady who wanted to do to
be become insta famous or

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whatever with the wombat.

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So oh, and I will say wombats
are really.

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If animals in australia are,
either really cool and really

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cute or they are fugly.

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They don't have average animals
in Australia.

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Like I said, they kill you or
they don't, or they're ugly or

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they're not, but wombats are.

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They're pretty darn cute
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Speaker 3: They're so cute,
leave the babies alone.

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But just think about it.

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That would never happen to a
human.

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No one's going to come up to me
in public with my baby and grab

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it from me and be like look,
how cute it is.

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You would be arrested for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you would
Kidnapping.

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Yeah, that's literally
kidnapping.

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So yeah, that's something crazy.

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But also in the news this
happened not terribly far from

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me in Virginia, but the track
girl who was having assault

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charges pressed against her for
smacking her now the runner in

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the head with the baton Now I
don't know anything about track

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and field, I'm assuming they're
not heavy like a lead pipe or

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anything, but you're still
smacking and the girl had a

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concussion and once again found
out this sitting in the lobby of

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my building waiting for a
conference room and the girl's

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on TV crying and I was tripping
and I was falling and my and I

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you know I'm like you were not
tripping, you assailed that

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other girl and I just own up to
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You know she's obviously 18 if
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everything out there.

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So own up to it, be an adult
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And her parents were sitting
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on, dad, mom, I'm just like,
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tripping and falling in.

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And now that her name's out
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thief, you know who's going to
want to hire this person.

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You know a crime is someone who
physically lashes out at people

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It's, it's crazy.

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And add another little twist
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I've mentioned before, I spent
15 years as a baseball umpire

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and I.

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I worked high school, I worked
college, I worked, you know, I,

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I went up the ranks and I one of
the reasons I got out of it is

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just the shenanigans and the
ridiculousness is getting to the

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extreme Now and the shenanigans
seem to be more the lower down

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the food chain you go, the more
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and daddy drama.

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And I pay, we pay over $15,000
a year to play baseball and da

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da da.

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Okay, good for you.

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That doesn't mean you, the
rules change and stuff like that

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But the shenanigans, when you
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you know the shenanigans die
off very quickly and in college,

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once again, there's less of it.

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It goes down and most of the
shenanigans are harmless.

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You're not going to have, you
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that.

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Or I never accounted for it at
the college level or even upper

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level, high school level, but
you know the sports and parents.

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It just made it.

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It took something I loved to
death and it made it something.

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Yeah, I thought I'd have a
harder, a bigger problem leaving

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it and you know I haven't done
it in six, seven years and don't

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miss it.

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Oh, that's pity yeah.

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So yeah, I just thought of that,
Like what you just said.

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Speaker 3: I was watching some
content creator just kind of

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like snarking on another content
creator, but the person that he

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was talking about is a train
wreck.

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Like she is just an alcoholic
train wreck but makes a shit ton

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of money on like tiktok and
surprise only fans oh boy and

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like the wish no judgment.

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You know, you do you?

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But at the same time, like he
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he was like I mean you, you
want to get your daughter back.

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Why are you making only fans
content?

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Why don't you get a normal job
at a company?

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And I'm like, oh, like, I think
it's really hard for people to

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like, once you're out there,
especially with this individual

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who has, like I don't know, like
hundreds of thousands of

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followers and it's kind of
becoming infamous for some of

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the shit she's doing.

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It's hard just like flip a
switch one day and be like, oh,

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I'm gonna work at a corporate
job because it's just, it's not

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that easy, like, if your name is
out there, whether it be

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something infamous or something
you know off the beaten path,

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like only fans, like it's hard
just to you know, turn on a

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straight path and go to
corporate.

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Like unfortunately, yeah like
people are on the internet.

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People know things, it is
difficult Once you become famous

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Speaker 2: I mean, look at the
lady who called the bird watcher

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a racist and called the police.

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Nobody knew who she was.

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Oh yeah, put the internet
sleuths on her, bam.

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I mean instantly.

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Everybody knew who she was and
you may use a pseudonym or

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something like that online, but
you know, if you do something

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stupid then people are going to
find you and it's you know.

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I see this meme probably once a
week on Instagram or Facebook

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and the meme is some kids
talking and remember before

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OnlyFans, when your mom only
sold Avon.

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I think that's funny, but yeah,
anywho, so wow.

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But we are going to talk about
HR today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we are.

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That was our Around the World
in five minutes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, okay, we
just talked about this a little,

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while you and I both seem to
miss the boat on this, the the

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husband and wife work wife cards
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Work husband work wife cards
out there.

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Speaker 3: For Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 2: On for Valentine's
Day and I'm like I I must've

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been under a cave or whatever
during the Valentine's Day and

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I'm like I must have been under
a cave or whatever during the

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Valentine's Day thing.

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But it pulled up in my
algorithm and I'm seeing it

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everywhere.

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Hr Manifesto posted it.

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I've seen it so many different
ways.

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I'm like wow.

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Speaker 3: For a second.

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I thought it was like you just
explained it to me.

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I didn't see anything yet and I
was like my visceral reaction

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was just like uh-uh-uh.

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And then I had a moment where I
was like maybe I'm overreacting

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, maybe this is just something
funny, and then it was worse.

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Speaker 2: It was worse.

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Speaker 3: Because I didn't
realize that the cards were

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being sold in Hallmark and crap.

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And I'm like, are you effing
serious?

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That's insane.

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I hate it.

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I hate it.

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I'm not a jealous type, but if
my husband came home and was

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like, hey, look what my
co-worker gave me, I would tear

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his eyeballs out or someone's
eyeballs out, Like no, well,

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that would be my fear, even if I
got it for a co-worker that I'm

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close with or something, having
their significant other come

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and hunt me down.

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Speaker 2: I've learned the hard
way I'm not a fighter.

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I've learned that the very hard
way.

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I'm not the fighter.

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And unless I have 30 fraternity
brothers with me, then I can be

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yeah, yeah, but one-on-one,
nope, not going to do it.

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But that's what I'd be afraid
of.

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I give you a card like that to
you.

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Kevin's going to come and wring
my neck, he's going to drive

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cross-country.

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And I'm like, no, yeah, exactly
Now, if I were to get one.

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My wife was like, good, take
him.

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But anyways, I loved it.

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I think we just watched the
meme together, the little HR

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manifesto.

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It was like, oh no, don't spend
$4.95 to get yourself fired.

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And I thought that was the best
line you could say about that

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yeah, don't spend $4.99.99.

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But on a relate note, we just
got past, we survived.

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Did everybody survive st
patrick's day with no pinching

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in the workplace?

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That is so funny.

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I well, I, I personally work
from home, so yeah, oh yeah, I

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have not ever dealt with it, but
I've heard a couple of times of

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people having to deal with
pinching at the workplace.

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Oh geez people.

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Speaker 3: Just don't touch
people, just don't touch them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't touch
people.

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Oh, let's see here.

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So last episode I was talking
about my little drama employee

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calling me from their tax office
or whatever to needing their

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stuff.

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But I've seen in uh jamie at uh
hr besties once again.

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She had this great meme about
be nice to your payroll and hr

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people just because you get
fucked is you didn't do your

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taxes right.

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Uh, and she.

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She was much nicer about it
than I was.

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You know, that's not our
problem.

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I haven't experienced this in
some time, but I have been there

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when y'all have fucked up my
taxes and I owe all this money

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and all that.

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Like, oh, did I fill out your
W-4 for you?

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Do I know what your?

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Maybe you've got OnlyFans that
you're earning money from they

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send you your 1099, and now
you've got to pay a lot of taxes

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.

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That's self-employment.

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Speaker 3: You got to claim that
OF that OF income.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know what
their situation is.

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And on top of that, this is
I've seen this, not recently,

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but I've seen it before HR
people online talking about

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we're not tax professionals,
y'all.

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And by telling people how to
fill out their forms, I will

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give high level advice.

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The more exemptions you claim,
the less they take out, and I

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will.

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If someone puts exempt on there
, I will say are you sure you

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want to do this?

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We might want to look into it.

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But if they say sure, I'll let
the exempt say exempt and I'll

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be waiting for that lock-in
letter from the IRS.

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But in however many months it
takes them to get around to it.

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But we're not tax experts.

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And on top of that I was
talking to someone else about

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this Companies have errors and
omission assurance and things

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like that, but that only applies
if you're working within the

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scope of your work.

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So if I'm doing my job and I
don't know I do something wrong,

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bad, illegal and it gets us
sued, the company has errors and

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emissions insurance on me, but
it will not apply if I'm doing

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something I'm not supposed to be
doing, like giving tax advice

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and things like that, because it
will say, no, you're not

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working the scope of your job
and you will be responsible for

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it.

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So HR, payroll people, even if
in your prior life you are a CPA

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, you're not acting as it at
work.

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Don't give that tax advice.

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I've seen that too many times
and I just stay away.

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Stop Danger, will Robinson
Danger.

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So anyway, you know this is a
strange episode because we both

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did our homework ahead of time,
so we've got a Google Doc of all

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of our stuff here.

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Well, I'll jump ahead to your
thing.

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What you pulled up, I really
like this when you sent it to me

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.

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So let's talk about resumes.

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Speaker 3: So resumes.

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So every once in a while you
see one of those articles come

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up by some expert who has his
top five ways of his or her top

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five ways of doing everything
right, and it came across me,

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like my browser.

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It was like, hey, business
Insider posted this.

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Oh no, not Business Insider, I
know.

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And I was like what?

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And apparently Ethan Evans says
that he has viewed over what is

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it?

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10,000 resumes and had more
than 2,500 interviews.

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And why do we care about what
Ethan Evans has to say?

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Because he's done this for so
many years at so many companies,

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including Big Daddy, amazon.

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So he basically put out what
the top things that we should be

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doing on our resumes.

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So I'm going to be honest with
you.

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I started reading this with a
little bit of a jaded eye I'm

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like another listicle, but
honestly I kind of agree with a

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lot of what he says.

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So the number one thing is like
no results, only activities.

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To.

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According to the article is that
people tend to just list the

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things that they are responsible
for.

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So like I wrote code or I
managed people or whatever it

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might be, but people aren't
putting results on there.

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And I was like, oh, like, so
smart.

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So basically, like if you could
link your results to or to what

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you've done that actually
improved the company.

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It shows your value.

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Another thing is like if you
have that stuff tangibly that

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you can share, link it to your
resume which is funny, because I

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never even considered that.

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I was like, oh yeah, idiot.

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Like, link your award, link
your stuff there so people can

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click on it and see, like all
this tangible stuff.

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But yeah, like I thought, award
, link your stuff there so

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people can click on it and see,
like all this tangible stuff.

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But yeah, like I thought that
that was brilliant.

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That's it's not even like
brilliant, it's more like really

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common that people don't do,
especially as you get up the up

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the ladder in your career and go
into more specialized roles or

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more senior roles like those
results are so important.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like you,
when you sent this, I started

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reading it as a jaded thing,
especially when I get to the

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line.

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I've reviewed more than 10,000
resumes and conducted more than

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2,500 interviews.

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If you're getting 2,500
interviews out of 10,000 resumes

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, damn, one out of four you're
good, but but anyways and then

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of course they throw the the
companies, as everybody has to

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put the the company they they
did.

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You know, nobody would know the
names of any of the companies

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I've worked for, but you know I
spent nearly 10 years recruiting

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.

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I can't imagine how many
hundreds of of thousands of

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resumes I've reviewed, or
thousands of resume.

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But I don't work for either the
cool Fang companies Now that

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I'm cool enough to know what
Fang is, kind of so.

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But you know that that's
something in being so early on

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that made me, that heightened my
jadedness.

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But then it goes on in there
and and one of the, the second

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line of the articles recruiters
skim resumes quickly.

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So clarity and conciseness is
crucial for success, absolutely.

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I've seen things where you have
less than 10 seconds to make an

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impression.

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I think you might even have
less.

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Yeah, I pull up a resume, I skim
it real quick and if it doesn't

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make me want to actually go
beyond skimming into reading,

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you're gone.

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You're in the next pile and I
do this when I'm hiring.

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I have an A, a, b and a C pile
and A my first time through A is

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going to be like the hard.

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I probably will have one or two
A's in there, if even the B's

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are okay and then the C.

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I'll revisit them, the Cs, if I
don't have any luck.

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But I just go through, go
through.

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And yeah, you don't have much
time and yeah, I agree with some

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of these mistakes.

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Yeah, like I said, he says your
resume has to be optimized to

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catch the eye quickly.

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The goal is for them to skim it
.

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Think about, think it would be
worthwhile to interview you.

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Just catch the eye.

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Just catch the eye and not with
your photo.

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I don't want that.

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Don't put a photo.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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So one of the other things is
like okay, so this one I'm kind

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of about.

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But he says people don't put
objectives and that's kind of an

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issue.

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So basically saying, without an
objective, a recruiter or a

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hiring manager has to guess
whether or not you want the job.

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If someone's applying for a job
, they want the fucking job, but

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anyway.

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But yeah, but I get what he's
kind of saying and he's just

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basically saying, like an
objective, clearly state what

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kind of role you're looking for
in your next role, and just make

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it concise and easy to read in
a single glance.

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So I, you know, I don't know
how you feel about objectives I

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rarely read them and if I do, it
is just like a really quick

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glance.

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I don't put a lot like.

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I didn't put a lot of thought
into them when I was recruiting,

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but I don't know, that was the
only one that I was like eh.

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Speaker 2: Well, I highlighted
that in green, as you see in the

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notes, because I agree with
that, because that objective, if

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it's tailored to the job and
specific, it'll make me stop and

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it'll make me go from skimming
to reading with it.

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So I like that idea.

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But, as he says, you have to be
specific about it.

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Seeking a senior roles engineer
dah, dah, dah, dah dah and

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don't do the what does he call
it?

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The good job things you know.

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He gives an example somewhere
in here of a bad, a bad

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objective.

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But, yeah, just, you know, put
it out there.

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I like the objective.

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But here's something else about
me If you take the time and

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effort to send a cover letter in
, I'm reading, I will read the

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cover letter.

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And because there's so many
things that people are going to

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put in cover letters that
they're not going to put on the

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resume hey, we're in a military
town.

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Hey, I'll be relocating to the
Virginia Beach area in June of

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2025.

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If you put that in your cover
letter this is why I see you're

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from San Diego, california If I
see that San Diego, california

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and I have a physical position
in Virginia Beach, unless you're

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stellar, you're probably going
to go somewhere else.

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But if that cover letter says,
hey, I'm relocating here or hey,

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I'm making a career transition
or I'm reentering the workforce

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or something along those lines.

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Because, like I said, if
someone takes the time to write

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a cover letter, I'm going to
read it.

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Now that cover letter may not
make you even get me to your

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resume if you have a shitty
cover letter.

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But if it's a fill in the blank
or blank, or even the worst is

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the wrong company names and
things, and I'll forgive that

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but it's going to be hard.

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If everything else is good,
I'll forgive that, but I do like

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the objective.

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Speaker 3: That can turn me from
a glancer to a reader.

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Yeah, no, I get it.

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I agree with you.

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The funny thing is is I just
realized when I interviewed for

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the position at my current role,
like three years ago, I

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actually put an objective in
there.

472
00:23:33,532 --> 00:23:38,525
I just realized that, hey it
worked, it worked.

473
00:23:38,525 --> 00:23:40,898
So you know what I take it back
.

474
00:23:40,898 --> 00:23:41,863
It's not stupid.

475
00:23:42,736 --> 00:23:44,957
Speaker 2: Oh, here's an example
of a bad one Motivated

476
00:23:45,017 --> 00:23:47,349
self-starter looking for a
positive environment where I can

477
00:23:47,349 --> 00:23:50,604
bring my technical skills and
passion to a worthy project.

478
00:23:50,604 --> 00:23:53,785
A great coworker and mentor,
adaptable, fast learner.

479
00:23:53,785 --> 00:23:58,171
I mean those platitudes, yeah,
exactly, I don't want to see

480
00:23:58,231 --> 00:23:58,354
that.

481
00:23:58,354 --> 00:24:04,380
I want to see give me two
sentences of what you're looking

482
00:24:04,380 --> 00:24:08,003
for and yeah, that's what I
like about that.

483
00:24:08,003 --> 00:24:12,387
So, and then another thing, and
I never thought about this I've

484
00:24:12,387 --> 00:24:13,188
been very fortunate.

485
00:24:13,188 --> 00:24:15,931
I have to do a resume in a very
long time, but keep your resume

486
00:24:15,931 --> 00:24:17,271
under a thousand words.

487
00:24:17,271 --> 00:24:19,175
I like that.

488
00:24:19,175 --> 00:24:22,425
I'm trying to think how you
know, is that one page?

489
00:24:22,425 --> 00:24:25,705
No, it's like how many words go
on a page?

490
00:24:25,705 --> 00:24:26,488
I don't know.

491
00:24:26,488 --> 00:24:30,045
I used to know is that when in
high school you had to do this,

492
00:24:30,115 --> 00:24:34,063
but he also did say don't use,
don't cram it all in, and things

493
00:24:34,063 --> 00:24:35,125
like that.

494
00:24:36,387 --> 00:24:36,868
Speaker 3: Yeah.

495
00:24:39,076 --> 00:24:42,625
Speaker 2: So he says his resume
is 700 words and covers a

496
00:24:42,664 --> 00:24:43,928
30-year career.

497
00:24:43,928 --> 00:24:48,103
So, yeah, that's important.

498
00:24:48,384 --> 00:24:49,165
Speaker 3: That sounds about
right.

499
00:24:49,165 --> 00:24:52,862
Oh, and then this is one that I
hope we would all know is

500
00:24:52,942 --> 00:24:55,567
optimizing for the applicant
tracking system.

501
00:24:55,567 --> 00:25:00,603
I did like the little
percentage in there that says

502
00:25:00,722 --> 00:25:04,348
over 80% of jobs go to someone
with a networking connection to

503
00:25:04,388 --> 00:25:10,384
the role, and I was like whew,
so that's a lot.

504
00:25:11,046 --> 00:25:14,477
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think
that's overstated Mike from

505
00:25:14,616 --> 00:25:15,559
Corporate Pizza Party.

506
00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:17,204
I would want to say it was him.

507
00:25:17,204 --> 00:25:19,544
I meant to look it up on his
Instagram.

508
00:25:19,544 --> 00:25:22,519
He put a stat and actually
cited his source, I believe,

509
00:25:22,679 --> 00:25:23,119
about.

510
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:28,227
If it was him about, you know,
not as many jobs are coming from

511
00:25:28,227 --> 00:25:33,579
networking as you think, and so
you know.

512
00:25:33,579 --> 00:25:37,008
I think 80% is ridiculously
high.

513
00:25:37,474 --> 00:25:38,493
Speaker 3: That is very high.

514
00:25:39,298 --> 00:25:40,742
Speaker 2: I do track at my
company.

515
00:25:40,742 --> 00:25:43,122
I think it's very good.

516
00:25:43,122 --> 00:25:48,096
About 30% of our new hires are
results of referrals and things

517
00:25:48,156 --> 00:25:51,804
like that, and we just hired
someone who is a result of a

518
00:25:51,884 --> 00:25:52,263
network.

519
00:25:52,263 --> 00:25:59,044
He worked for a company that
one of our suppliers, who

520
00:25:59,084 --> 00:26:03,615
supplied one of our suppliers or
I guess, no, our supplier

521
00:26:03,694 --> 00:26:04,817
supplied his company as well.

522
00:26:04,817 --> 00:26:07,339
He became available and the
supplier said, hey, you've got

523
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,625
to contact my company where I'm
working and get in with them,

524
00:26:11,924 --> 00:26:14,208
and so that type of networking
worked.

525
00:26:14,208 --> 00:26:15,990
But it wasn't a direct
connection.

526
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:22,520
You know one of our current
employees, it was our suppliers

527
00:26:22,541 --> 00:26:23,265
that know you need to work with
this.

528
00:26:23,265 --> 00:26:24,490
So that made me feel good on a
couple of counts when when I

529
00:26:24,510 --> 00:26:27,420
heard that story that our
suppliers are even recommending

530
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,224
us to people they know.

531
00:26:29,224 --> 00:26:34,117
But but cramming I've seen
resumes before that.

532
00:26:34,117 --> 00:26:37,151
I think they're trying to fit
every buzzword and keyword in

533
00:26:37,191 --> 00:26:40,578
there and you've all heard put
in white font to your all these

534
00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:44,266
keywords don't do that that
that's garbage.

535
00:26:44,767 --> 00:26:47,817
I think if you just have a
well-written resume especially

536
00:26:47,978 --> 00:26:53,051
today with AI and stuff we don't
use AI in our applicant

537
00:26:53,291 --> 00:26:57,303
screening or anything but you
write a good resume, it's going

538
00:26:57,323 --> 00:26:57,923
to stand out.

539
00:26:57,923 --> 00:27:01,480
You don't have to try and find
all the buzzwords and stuff them

540
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:06,713
in there and make your resume
700 words of buzzwords to do

541
00:27:06,733 --> 00:27:06,914
that.

542
00:27:06,914 --> 00:27:09,280
So there's a balance that needs
to be done.

543
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,436
But I think a well-written
resume is going to stand for

544
00:27:13,497 --> 00:27:13,917
itself.

545
00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:15,801
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what
he said.

546
00:27:15,801 --> 00:27:19,577
Like I think we're too focused
on the applicant tracking piece

547
00:27:19,778 --> 00:27:22,041
and that, like I like how he
said it.

548
00:27:22,061 --> 00:27:24,184
Speaker 2: He he's like just
write your resume for human eyes

549
00:27:24,184 --> 00:27:30,242
, because yeah in his and if
you're worried about ai, as ai

550
00:27:30,282 --> 00:27:33,874
is getting better and better,
it's going to be able to putting

551
00:27:33,874 --> 00:27:35,617
it in human eye.

552
00:27:35,617 --> 00:27:39,406
Making it read, readable for
human eyes is going to help you

553
00:27:39,949 --> 00:27:42,294
it will let's see.

554
00:27:42,454 --> 00:27:44,700
Speaker 3: Another mistake is
listing education and

555
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,884
certifications in the wrong
place.

556
00:27:46,884 --> 00:27:52,144
So, yeah, so if you're a new
graduate, you put your education

557
00:27:52,144 --> 00:27:52,464
at the top.

558
00:27:52,464 --> 00:27:57,202
If you have work experience,
your education should be below

559
00:27:57,243 --> 00:27:58,026
work history.

560
00:27:58,026 --> 00:28:02,319
And then which is funny because
like no one told me that weird

561
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:07,606
rule so someone, I think,
informed me a few, probably like

562
00:28:07,606 --> 00:28:10,351
seven or so years ago, eight
years ago.

563
00:28:10,351 --> 00:28:12,961
They're like you really need to
, like you're at your place in

564
00:28:12,980 --> 00:28:16,268
your career where you need to
put your education at the bottom

565
00:28:16,268 --> 00:28:20,117
, and I was like what that's
like a rule, because apparently

566
00:28:20,137 --> 00:28:21,303
that makes you look like a
novice.

567
00:28:22,095 --> 00:28:24,055
Speaker 2: Well, I see it a
couple ways.

568
00:28:24,055 --> 00:28:26,137
And if you do your homework,
you know who you're speaking to.

569
00:28:26,137 --> 00:28:30,455
Maybe in networking, like, okay
, I went to East Carolina, I

570
00:28:30,516 --> 00:28:31,278
love East Carolina.

571
00:28:31,278 --> 00:28:33,423
It's not the most prestigious
of schools.

572
00:28:33,423 --> 00:28:36,040
My wife went to a much more
prestigious school than I did.

573
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,673
I'm probably keeping that
school at the top of my list

574
00:28:39,693 --> 00:28:42,900
because that's going to open
more doors for me, even if

575
00:28:43,060 --> 00:28:44,041
you're not an alumni.

576
00:28:44,083 --> 00:28:47,749
You say, oh, you know, it
catches the eye.

577
00:28:47,749 --> 00:28:51,419
Once again it's something
that's going to make me stop if

578
00:28:51,538 --> 00:28:56,326
I see someone from you know this
school versus UCU which, like I

579
00:28:56,326 --> 00:28:56,766
said, love it.

580
00:28:56,766 --> 00:28:59,150
I'm still a student and things
like that.

581
00:28:59,150 --> 00:28:59,951
I love it.

582
00:28:59,951 --> 00:29:02,858
But there are prestigious
schools and there are less

583
00:29:02,900 --> 00:29:05,163
prestigious schools and if
you're coming from one of those,

584
00:29:05,163 --> 00:29:09,789
it doesn't have to be a
networking alumni type thing.

585
00:29:09,789 --> 00:29:13,823
It's like, oh, you know, in the
business world, you go to,

586
00:29:13,923 --> 00:29:17,738
let's just say, the Wharton
School of Business, you go to

587
00:29:17,837 --> 00:29:18,801
the Darden at UVA.

588
00:29:20,535 --> 00:29:24,123
Nobody on earth, regardless of
your sports affiliations, team

589
00:29:24,163 --> 00:29:26,387
affiliations, can argue those
aren't some of the top.

590
00:29:26,387 --> 00:29:28,862
And you can go on and on, but
those are the two that popped up

591
00:29:28,862 --> 00:29:30,365
on the top of my head first.

592
00:29:30,365 --> 00:29:34,583
But nobody can argue those are
not the top, some of the top

593
00:29:34,603 --> 00:29:35,684
tier of business schools.

594
00:29:35,684 --> 00:29:38,978
If that's what you're going for
in the country, and that's

595
00:29:38,999 --> 00:29:42,267
going to catch somebody's eye in
many regards.

596
00:29:42,267 --> 00:29:45,259
But that also goes to customize
your resume.

597
00:29:45,259 --> 00:29:47,865
Know what you're going for, who
in many regards.

598
00:29:47,884 --> 00:29:50,470
So, but that also goes,
customize your resume.

599
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:50,990
You know.

600
00:29:50,990 --> 00:29:51,632
Know what you're going for.

601
00:29:51,632 --> 00:29:53,075
If this experience does well
for you, you know, highlight,

602
00:29:53,595 --> 00:29:54,842
move it to the top of your
bullet list, because if you got

603
00:29:54,862 --> 00:29:57,902
15 bullets under a job, I'm not
getting in that skim.

604
00:29:57,902 --> 00:30:02,535
I'm looking at one or two and
if it's your 15th bullet, I

605
00:30:02,555 --> 00:30:04,895
don't have a clue what you just
said Under there.

606
00:30:04,895 --> 00:30:06,537
So, and if it's your 15th
bullet, I don't have a clue what

607
00:30:06,537 --> 00:30:07,636
you just said, true, under
there.

608
00:30:07,636 --> 00:30:08,998
And then it talks about GPA.

609
00:30:08,998 --> 00:30:11,959
I remember coming out of
college I put my N major GPA.

610
00:30:11,959 --> 00:30:13,759
I did not put my overall.

611
00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:14,319
Speaker 1: GPA.

612
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,461
Speaker 2: Because I failed
theater and appreciation.

613
00:30:17,461 --> 00:30:19,342
Not once, but twice.

614
00:30:19,342 --> 00:30:21,884
I failed what we called library
science.

615
00:30:21,884 --> 00:30:26,786
Ecu's library they've got a new
one now, but in the 90s was so

616
00:30:27,246 --> 00:30:32,307
effed up you had to take a
two-hour class on how to use the

617
00:30:32,307 --> 00:30:32,708
libraries.

618
00:30:32,708 --> 00:30:34,950
There wasn't internet back then
, or the internet was in its

619
00:30:35,009 --> 00:30:38,250
baby stages, and I failed that
class.

620
00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:41,112
I recently looked at my
transcripts.

621
00:30:41,112 --> 00:30:41,913
I'm like, oh shit.

622
00:30:42,772 --> 00:30:43,053
Speaker 1: How did.

623
00:30:43,153 --> 00:30:43,173
Speaker 3: I.

624
00:30:43,173 --> 00:30:46,076
What were you learning there?

625
00:30:46,096 --> 00:30:49,944
Speaker 2: Like dewey decimal
system no, like okay now, if

626
00:30:49,964 --> 00:30:54,982
something was on floor three you
go to when you get into the

627
00:30:55,022 --> 00:30:57,709
quote-unquote, the stacks, and
you do not always want to go

628
00:30:57,775 --> 00:30:59,157
into the stacks of the shit that
happened.

629
00:30:59,157 --> 00:31:02,984
The stacks is a whole another
story, but I've seen things,

630
00:31:03,005 --> 00:31:04,728
that's after dark?

631
00:31:04,827 --> 00:31:11,040
Yeah, exactly, but if you were
on floor three and you were in

632
00:31:11,121 --> 00:31:15,628
section 100, you would have to
go, but you need to go to 200 in

633
00:31:15,628 --> 00:31:15,828
the day.

634
00:31:15,828 --> 00:31:18,944
You'd have to go back down to
the ground floor and go back up

635
00:31:18,964 --> 00:31:19,385
to the third.

636
00:31:19,385 --> 00:31:27,500
The library was built in
sections and very non-congruent

637
00:31:27,721 --> 00:31:30,185
and like, yeah, we'll put this
here, we'll put there.

638
00:31:30,185 --> 00:31:31,409
But now they've got a.

639
00:31:31,409 --> 00:31:36,566
I mean, they got a like I don't
know, 10 years ago some huge

640
00:31:36,625 --> 00:31:39,682
grant for a new library and it
has some of the old library in

641
00:31:39,742 --> 00:31:39,782
it.

642
00:31:40,015 --> 00:31:43,219
Speaker 3: Their library was so
crappy they had to create a

643
00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:46,980
course on how to deal with the
crappy library.

644
00:31:46,980 --> 00:31:48,001
That's funny.

645
00:31:48,663 --> 00:31:51,066
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but I
failed that course.

646
00:31:51,066 --> 00:31:52,048
I failed.

647
00:31:52,048 --> 00:31:58,165
Okay Funny story I failed
remedial math three times in a

648
00:31:58,226 --> 00:31:58,365
row.

649
00:31:58,365 --> 00:32:03,286
I decided I was going to do it
over the summer, away from there

650
00:32:03,286 --> 00:32:03,286
.

651
00:32:03,286 --> 00:32:07,156
But the school made me take a
placement exam.

652
00:32:07,156 --> 00:32:12,609
Okay, I took my May final exam
in remedial math and failed.

653
00:32:12,609 --> 00:32:17,560
The morning of a certain day,
whatever day it was, I drove

654
00:32:18,041 --> 00:32:21,169
home and went where I was going
to take classes over the summer.

655
00:32:21,169 --> 00:32:23,082
They made me take the placement
exam.

656
00:32:23,082 --> 00:32:27,137
And not only I got placed into
calculus.

657
00:32:27,137 --> 00:32:31,130
After failing remedial math
three times, I got placed in the

658
00:32:31,130 --> 00:32:31,510
calculus.

659
00:32:31,510 --> 00:32:33,375
My confidence level was shot.

660
00:32:33,375 --> 00:32:34,337
So I took pre-calc.

661
00:32:34,337 --> 00:32:38,747
I got an A in pre-calc and I'm
like what the fuck?

662
00:32:38,747 --> 00:32:41,878
How do I fail remedial math?

663
00:32:41,878 --> 00:32:45,065
It was a non-credit class.

664
00:32:45,065 --> 00:32:48,096
It was worth three credits but
didn't count to anything as it's

665
00:32:48,096 --> 00:32:48,678
remedial.

666
00:32:48,678 --> 00:32:52,866
It didn't go to your graduation
requirements and so it was just

667
00:32:52,866 --> 00:32:56,760
a thorn in my side forever,
that one class.

668
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:02,536
And yeah, I failed a lot of
classes and for two years I led

669
00:33:02,576 --> 00:33:03,719
my fraternity in gpa.

670
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,957
So that's hilarious I can pay a
lot of classes and lead my

671
00:33:08,997 --> 00:33:12,944
fraternity in gpa, but anyways,
that's a whole, whole, nother

672
00:33:13,507 --> 00:33:13,807
story.

673
00:33:13,807 --> 00:33:16,157
But anyways, yeah, your your
gpa.

674
00:33:16,157 --> 00:33:18,884
This one I found interesting.

675
00:33:18,884 --> 00:33:21,769
The next one, the hobby,
excluding hobbies and interests.

676
00:33:21,769 --> 00:33:22,897
I that made me.

677
00:33:22,897 --> 00:33:25,926
This one actually made me think
when I saw that.

678
00:33:25,926 --> 00:33:28,785
So what are your opinions on
hobbies and interests?

679
00:33:30,978 --> 00:33:32,924
Speaker 3: Okay, I have an
anecdote with a point.

680
00:33:33,535 --> 00:33:38,800
So, when I was working in talent
acquisition, there was an

681
00:33:39,721 --> 00:33:45,067
applicant who was going for a
marketing role.

682
00:33:45,067 --> 00:33:49,531
Now, granted, it's a marketing
role, it was so appropriate for

683
00:33:49,595 --> 00:33:51,779
her to do what I'm about to
describe.

684
00:33:51,779 --> 00:33:57,797
But thinking back, I'm like I
still remember this person's

685
00:33:57,836 --> 00:33:58,317
resume.

686
00:33:58,317 --> 00:34:00,939
I remember their name, I
remember.

687
00:34:00,939 --> 00:34:02,740
Every time I'm like like
there's something to it.

688
00:34:02,820 --> 00:34:09,505
So this individual completely
branded her resume, like she

689
00:34:09,545 --> 00:34:13,329
treated it as if it was a
personal brand, through, true

690
00:34:13,369 --> 00:34:14,369
and through and through.

691
00:34:14,369 --> 00:34:15,871
She branded it.

692
00:34:15,871 --> 00:34:30,498
She made a logo because she had
a pug and she loved her pug.

693
00:34:30,498 --> 00:34:30,579
The.

694
00:34:30,579 --> 00:34:31,302
The her logo involved the pug.

695
00:34:31,322 --> 00:34:32,606
So she had, like her, everything
on her resume as you usually

696
00:34:32,646 --> 00:34:32,827
would.

697
00:34:32,827 --> 00:34:35,516
And then she had like little
thick ticks on the side of like

698
00:34:36,215 --> 00:34:40,802
hobbies and stuff like that and
everything was color-coded.

699
00:34:40,802 --> 00:34:47,791
And her business card that she
was to leave afterward she made

700
00:34:47,911 --> 00:34:53,103
into, like she took those candy
dog bones and she put them in a

701
00:34:53,143 --> 00:34:55,617
candy wrapper and then she took
the card.

702
00:34:55,617 --> 00:34:58,768
She had it specially printed so
that when she folded it in half

703
00:34:58,768 --> 00:35:03,302
and stapled it and actually
packaged it, it looked like it

704
00:35:03,322 --> 00:35:13,297
was the actual size of a
business card but it looked like

705
00:35:13,297 --> 00:35:14,559
a packaged candy that you would
buy in a store.

706
00:35:14,579 --> 00:35:16,603
So to this day I'm like I
remember Julia, I remember her

707
00:35:16,623 --> 00:35:18,467
pugs, I remember her other
hobbies that she listed

708
00:35:19,655 --> 00:35:20,096
Brilliant.

709
00:35:20,096 --> 00:35:24,083
And so when I read this I was
like, yeah, like it's that

710
00:35:24,143 --> 00:35:26,849
humanizing piece that I think is
super important.

711
00:35:26,849 --> 00:35:28,059
I don't hate it.

712
00:35:28,059 --> 00:35:31,262
I think if you have room on
your resume because you know

713
00:35:31,282 --> 00:35:33,347
that's high real estate, go for
it.

714
00:35:33,347 --> 00:35:39,143
I don't think it could hurt you
Like, yeah, run marathons, put

715
00:35:39,184 --> 00:35:40,920
it on there, like whatever.

716
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:41,802
I think it's smart.

717
00:35:43,335 --> 00:35:46,684
Speaker 2: See, I have mixed
feelings and you sold me much

718
00:35:46,804 --> 00:35:51,539
more towards the included, but I
think people have to be a

719
00:35:51,561 --> 00:35:57,824
little careful about what they
put on you know number one in

720
00:35:57,844 --> 00:35:59,288
OnlyFans, or on the resume or
whatever.

721
00:36:00,556 --> 00:36:02,045
Speaker 1: I'm a top earner in
my MLM.

722
00:36:02,045 --> 00:36:03,231
Like don't do that in there.

723
00:36:04,096 --> 00:36:07,465
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you need to
use some discretion.

724
00:36:07,465 --> 00:36:10,380
But I will say, since I'm not
really actively involved in

725
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,208
recruiting but I do all the
onboarding for all the new hires

726
00:36:14,208 --> 00:36:20,222
, I spend a day with them
essentially, and the Friday

727
00:36:20,262 --> 00:36:23,634
before they start I go through
and I read their resumes top to

728
00:36:23,673 --> 00:36:23,875
bottom.

729
00:36:23,875 --> 00:36:24,809
If they had a cover letter,
once again I didn't recruit them

730
00:36:24,809 --> 00:36:25,519
through and I read their
resumes top to bottom.

731
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:25,744
I look at every.

732
00:36:25,744 --> 00:36:27,157
You know, if they had a cover
letter, once again I didn't

733
00:36:27,177 --> 00:36:27,518
recruit them.

734
00:36:27,518 --> 00:36:29,940
But I read their cover letter,
I try and learn about them.

735
00:36:30,534 --> 00:36:34,643
And you know there was a guy who
won some competitions for a

736
00:36:34,704 --> 00:36:40,876
sourdough Nice and we turned
breaks, we talked about that and

737
00:36:40,876 --> 00:36:44,925
it did like I said, it did
humanize this person I hadn't

738
00:36:45,007 --> 00:36:45,547
met before.

739
00:36:45,547 --> 00:36:48,858
You know it's Friday evening,
before I leave, that's before an

740
00:36:48,858 --> 00:36:51,146
orientation, before someone
starts on Monday.

741
00:36:51,146 --> 00:36:54,639
That's why I do Friday evening
or afternoon I'm scanning the

742
00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:57,840
resumes, looking, seeing, I'm
looking at interview notes, if

743
00:36:57,860 --> 00:37:02,061
there are any that were taken,
and just to see what the

744
00:37:02,242 --> 00:37:03,005
person's about.

745
00:37:03,005 --> 00:37:06,164
And yeah, those type of things
do stand out.

746
00:37:06,164 --> 00:37:08,182
So I'm not going to hate it.

747
00:37:08,182 --> 00:37:14,268
But if you don't make it fit,
then that's another thing.

748
00:37:15,014 --> 00:37:18,824
Speaker 3: I will say the one
thing I did learn from Julia's

749
00:37:18,864 --> 00:37:21,494
resume wherever you are Julia,
hello.

750
00:37:21,514 --> 00:37:22,157
You are julia, hello.

751
00:37:22,157 --> 00:37:28,427
But I will say like I really
put some effort into branding my

752
00:37:28,427 --> 00:37:33,922
resume to the point where my
resume is different, like I have

753
00:37:33,922 --> 00:37:38,195
a whole color palette that goes
with it and it's green, because

754
00:37:38,195 --> 00:37:43,722
green is like the color of
innovation and stuff like that,

755
00:37:43,782 --> 00:37:44,903
and I'm like, so I'm very.

756
00:37:44,903 --> 00:37:48,467
I started to get a little
purposeful about using a little

757
00:37:48,527 --> 00:37:52,235
splash of color and
intentionally using it, so it's

758
00:37:52,295 --> 00:37:56,860
not like an eyesore or anything,
right, but yeah, I think that

759
00:37:56,940 --> 00:37:58,646
also helps you stand out a
little bit too.

760
00:37:58,646 --> 00:38:01,043
Just, not everything's black
and white.

761
00:38:02,074 --> 00:38:03,036
Speaker 2: Put a little color in
there.

762
00:38:03,036 --> 00:38:08,202
I will say, though, if, in our
applicant tracking system, when

763
00:38:08,242 --> 00:38:12,726
I pull out a resume, unless I
actually download it and look at

764
00:38:12,726 --> 00:38:17,711
it as the PDF that was sent,
our ATS basically pulls the text

765
00:38:17,711 --> 00:38:20,818
out, so I won't see any of the
color, I won't see any of the

766
00:38:20,858 --> 00:38:22,764
graphics or any things like that
.

767
00:38:22,764 --> 00:38:24,327
And why?

768
00:38:24,327 --> 00:38:28,798
How often do I download and
print somebody's resume, or

769
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:32,668
download it at least to see it
in the actual PDF file, versus

770
00:38:32,728 --> 00:38:35,199
the, the preview that's in the
ATS?

771
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:38,867
I mean, the formatting
generally holds up in the, the

772
00:38:38,987 --> 00:38:44,204
ATS, but the no colors or images
seem to to make it through

773
00:38:44,545 --> 00:38:44,827
there.

774
00:38:44,827 --> 00:38:52,621
I don't know, it's fine, but I
would miss out on that, and I

775
00:38:52,661 --> 00:38:54,603
think part of that you mentioned
that person was marketing.

776
00:38:54,603 --> 00:38:57,907
I think if you're marketing,
you do something like that,

777
00:38:59,027 --> 00:39:00,489
you're winning right off the
board.

778
00:39:00,510 --> 00:39:01,411
Speaker 3: You're so winning.

779
00:39:01,992 --> 00:39:03,739
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are some
jobs.

780
00:39:03,739 --> 00:39:07,635
You know computer well, maybe
computer programmer or something

781
00:39:07,635 --> 00:39:07,635
.

782
00:39:07,635 --> 00:39:11,784
I'm trying to think of
something that is less creative

783
00:39:11,925 --> 00:39:15,362
or what have you I don't know a
statistician or something like

784
00:39:15,382 --> 00:39:15,483
that.

785
00:39:15,483 --> 00:39:18,702
Maybe you're not going to an
actuarial accountant or

786
00:39:18,742 --> 00:39:19,606
something along those lines.

787
00:39:19,846 --> 00:39:21,581
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe
they could put a secret message

788
00:39:22,063 --> 00:39:23,628
in binary code or something.

789
00:39:24,231 --> 00:39:26,938
Speaker 2: Yeah, put something
out there that draws your

790
00:39:27,300 --> 00:39:28,362
attention to the resume.

791
00:39:28,362 --> 00:39:31,956
But yeah, I thought that was a
good article and for Business

792
00:39:32,016 --> 00:39:34,264
Insider I'll give it a thumbs up
.

793
00:39:34,264 --> 00:39:38,456
As I'm very cynical about
Business Insider, maybe one day

794
00:39:38,496 --> 00:39:40,943
I'll start trying to throw up
some crappy articles.

795
00:39:40,943 --> 00:39:43,476
See if I can get published in
Business Insider.

796
00:39:43,757 --> 00:39:47,704
Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently,
ethan Evans had some really good

797
00:39:47,704 --> 00:39:49,186
points here, so good job, ethan
.

798
00:39:49,246 --> 00:39:53,710
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's very
rare that A like I said, if I

799
00:39:53,769 --> 00:39:57,492
see Business Insider, unless I'm
being a glutton for punishment,

800
00:39:57,492 --> 00:39:58,592
I'm moving.

801
00:39:58,592 --> 00:40:00,262
I'll read the headline and move
on.

802
00:40:00,262 --> 00:40:04,085
But yeah, maybe I need to not
be so cynical.

803
00:40:04,085 --> 00:40:09,177
But that sort of leads us to
another topic.

804
00:40:09,177 --> 00:40:09,717
And you read the article.

805
00:40:09,717 --> 00:40:10,159
I didn't.

806
00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:15,068
My news aggregator sent me this
headline from Business Insider

807
00:40:15,635 --> 00:40:17,501
I've never heard of anything
like this before.

808
00:40:17,501 --> 00:40:21,400
Former Google HR chief reacts
to Meta's block list.

809
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,606
And so I didn't read the
article.

810
00:40:23,606 --> 00:40:27,777
But I'm like, and then if you
use Google News for aggregator

811
00:40:27,938 --> 00:40:30,525
or anything like that, it gives
you three other articles on the

812
00:40:30,565 --> 00:40:35,702
same thing Medics, company lists
, blocks, employees and their

813
00:40:36,563 --> 00:40:37,045
whatever.

814
00:40:37,045 --> 00:40:39,528
And I'm like, so I didn't read
it.

815
00:40:39,608 --> 00:40:42,838
You, you took the dive and you
found out a little bit, because

816
00:40:43,099 --> 00:40:49,264
I'm thinking how many every ATS,
yeah, or HRS, has an option to

817
00:40:49,405 --> 00:40:52,849
make someone a non-rehirable,
whatever you want to term it,

818
00:40:53,610 --> 00:40:54,911
and things like that.

819
00:40:54,911 --> 00:40:59,621
I'm like, if you want to call
it blacklisted people, or

820
00:40:59,701 --> 00:41:05,007
blocklisted as he calls it, dude
, you're so not rehirable, click

821
00:41:05,007 --> 00:41:09,336
and uh, or eligible for rehire,
no, I've.

822
00:41:09,336 --> 00:41:12,664
I've done that hundreds of
times in my career and never

823
00:41:12,704 --> 00:41:13,545
thought twice about it.

824
00:41:13,545 --> 00:41:16,097
So, oh, but here's a funny
story.

825
00:41:16,097 --> 00:41:20,893
So I worked somewhere, my, my,
someone underneath me ended up

826
00:41:20,932 --> 00:41:22,378
taking my position after I left.

827
00:41:22,378 --> 00:41:27,356
But I, when their co-workers
left us without giving notice

828
00:41:27,396 --> 00:41:31,726
and just basically they walked
off the job and I put the HRS at

829
00:41:31,726 --> 00:41:32,166
that company.

830
00:41:32,208 --> 00:41:37,184
I put non-rehirable and this
person was so nice, she calls me

831
00:41:37,184 --> 00:41:37,184
.

832
00:41:37,184 --> 00:41:40,398
I noticed you put this person
and did not rehire.

833
00:41:40,398 --> 00:41:40,980
What should I do?

834
00:41:40,980 --> 00:41:42,826
I've talked to her and things
like that.

835
00:41:42,826 --> 00:41:45,398
I said it's your HR manager now
, not me.

836
00:41:45,398 --> 00:41:47,742
If you want to do it, uh, have
at it.

837
00:41:47,742 --> 00:41:49,146
I, I just you know.

838
00:41:49,146 --> 00:41:51,657
Uh, I said you were, you were
right there.

839
00:41:51,657 --> 00:41:54,483
She walked out on us and I was
like will she walk out on you?

840
00:41:54,483 --> 00:41:59,199
Maybe, maybe not, but uh, I
just said you know, uh, it's,

841
00:41:59,420 --> 00:42:00,282
it's your show now.

842
00:42:00,282 --> 00:42:01,844
So yeah.

843
00:42:03,306 --> 00:42:06,530
Yeah, I think it worked out
better between the two of them.

844
00:42:07,592 --> 00:42:07,893
Speaker 3: Nice.

845
00:42:07,893 --> 00:42:12,369
I think you're right that when
I first read it, that was the

846
00:42:12,429 --> 00:42:16,414
thing I immediately thought was
that a lot of companies have

847
00:42:16,454 --> 00:42:17,295
do-not-hires.

848
00:42:17,295 --> 00:42:23,887
But as I was Looking into it,
it looks like a bunch of people

849
00:42:23,907 --> 00:42:27,014
were laid off in 2022 and 2023.

850
00:42:27,014 --> 00:42:31,710
And some people, due to those
layoffs, as jobs came available,

851
00:42:31,710 --> 00:42:36,742
they were trying to reapply,
and some of these people were

852
00:42:36,862 --> 00:42:41,190
finding out during their
application process.

853
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:44,077
The recruiter would then turn
around and be like oh, I didn't

854
00:42:44,117 --> 00:42:49,467
realize, you're not rehirable in
the system, which a lot of

855
00:42:49,487 --> 00:42:53,159
people were confused because
these are individuals who didn't

856
00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:57,644
have any prior performance
issues.

857
00:42:57,644 --> 00:43:03,391
They were laid off due to, like
, a business decision, not due

858
00:43:03,592 --> 00:43:07,836
to performance or due to
anything you know bad.

859
00:43:07,836 --> 00:43:14,650
So it's very interesting that
there's this secret block list

860
00:43:14,849 --> 00:43:16,614
of individuals who they let go.

861
00:43:18,521 --> 00:43:21,905
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now,
knowing I I have heard of

862
00:43:21,965 --> 00:43:27,391
companies that you know what I'm
thinking of predates this story

863
00:43:27,391 --> 00:43:27,391
.

864
00:43:27,391 --> 00:43:32,277
It was an IT company and they
were known at the time.

865
00:43:32,277 --> 00:43:35,144
You leave them, you're
basically dead to them and

866
00:43:35,184 --> 00:43:40,713
you're not getting another job
if you want to come back, that's

867
00:43:40,713 --> 00:43:52,141
one thing, but I was saying if
they were laid off.

868
00:43:52,141 --> 00:43:53,322
I think, especially in this day
and age of hiring people,

869
00:43:53,342 --> 00:43:54,985
finding people at a premium and
one of the things I was really

870
00:43:55,005 --> 00:43:58,449
good at at another company is I
sought out when I was recruiting

871
00:43:58,449 --> 00:43:59,851
, I sought out former employees.

872
00:43:59,851 --> 00:44:00,632
Hey, how are you doing?

873
00:44:00,632 --> 00:44:03,675
We have a position we want to
talk to you about again

874
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,304
Contacting your former out of
the blue they didn't send a

875
00:44:12,324 --> 00:44:13,387
resume or anything and trying to
draw them back.

876
00:44:13,447 --> 00:44:14,047
If they left on good terms.

877
00:44:14,047 --> 00:44:14,710
They weren't on the block list.

878
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:17,722
But you know, I just find it
hard to believe and maybe you

879
00:44:17,742 --> 00:44:20,750
know because it's meta and of
course, the Business Insider

880
00:44:20,771 --> 00:44:23,804
picture shows this awful picture
of Mark Zuckerberg looking like

881
00:44:23,804 --> 00:44:27,012
, I don't know, somebody just
kicked his dog or something like

882
00:44:27,012 --> 00:44:30,045
that and he's angry, that's
another thing I love about

883
00:44:30,065 --> 00:44:30,527
business.

884
00:44:32,481 --> 00:44:33,706
Poor, sad billionaire.

885
00:44:33,706 --> 00:44:40,032
Exactly, but I love when the
pictures they use are like that.

886
00:44:40,032 --> 00:44:44,731
But yeah, I think it's
short-sighted.

887
00:44:44,731 --> 00:44:47,641
But maybe Facebook, google, all
these companies maybe they have

888
00:44:47,641 --> 00:44:52,144
so many people wanting to work,
be in a thing company that they

889
00:44:52,144 --> 00:44:54,686
get so many applications they
don't care too much.

890
00:44:54,686 --> 00:44:55,628
They quoted Business.

891
00:44:55,668 --> 00:44:56,869
Speaker 3: Insider, but
apparently a director was

892
00:44:56,949 --> 00:45:12,242
actively trying to rehire a
senior engineer and the director

893
00:45:12,242 --> 00:45:16,268
expressed frustration about
this block, this hiring block,

894
00:45:16,847 --> 00:45:19,632
and said that it was preventing
them from rehiring multiple

895
00:45:19,652 --> 00:45:22,675
people that they hoped to
recruit back onto their team.

896
00:45:22,675 --> 00:45:24,985
That they hoped to recruit back
onto their team.

897
00:45:24,985 --> 00:45:30,346
In an email viewed by Business
Insider, the manager expressed

898
00:45:30,367 --> 00:45:32,905
frustration that they couldn't
figure out why someone they

899
00:45:33,025 --> 00:45:36,307
wanted to rehire and had ended
up on the block list in the

900
00:45:36,367 --> 00:45:36,929
first place.

901
00:45:36,929 --> 00:45:42,266
It seemed that they were
running into a mechanism outside

902
00:45:42,266 --> 00:45:46,204
of normal recruiting tools and
that they had not seen anyone

903
00:45:46,244 --> 00:45:49,851
successfully get off this list
and be able to join or be able

904
00:45:49,871 --> 00:45:51,594
to interview at the company
again.

905
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 2: Oh, that was what I
was going to ask.

906
00:45:53,400 --> 00:46:01,630
This is not carved in stone at
my current company and put

907
00:46:01,650 --> 00:46:05,416
someone as do not hire and then
a manager comes back to me.

908
00:46:05,416 --> 00:46:09,989
I'll engage the conversation
and most of the time it's not me

909
00:46:09,989 --> 00:46:12,061
making the decision that
somebody's not re-hireable,

910
00:46:12,503 --> 00:46:14,507
anyways, it's their manager
doing it.

911
00:46:14,507 --> 00:46:19,583
Me, I've done it, I've done it
any number of times, but the

912
00:46:19,702 --> 00:46:23,211
vast majority is the manager
like this clown's done with us

913
00:46:23,391 --> 00:46:24,324
or something like that.

914
00:46:24,324 --> 00:46:28,068
But if a manager come to say,
hey, you know, I'd like to hire

915
00:46:28,148 --> 00:46:31,760
john doe again and like, okay,
well, he's, mark, do not hire

916
00:46:31,780 --> 00:46:31,981
what?

917
00:46:31,981 --> 00:46:35,228
And then you have the
conversation you know, maybe, or

918
00:46:35,228 --> 00:46:38,762
they in a bad time in their
life and you know who knows.

919
00:46:38,762 --> 00:46:44,367
So, yeah, I, I don't, I, I do
not mind having a do not hire

920
00:46:44,387 --> 00:46:47,592
list, but I also think there
needs to be some judgment that

921
00:46:48,233 --> 00:46:50,394
the person's prior manager wants
to rehire them.

922
00:46:50,394 --> 00:46:54,108
Okay, they know what they're
getting into more than anybody

923
00:46:54,188 --> 00:46:54,349
else.

924
00:46:59,425 --> 00:47:01,086
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's
pretty crazy, though, was that

925
00:47:01,367 --> 00:47:08,114
people former employees that uh
said that they reapplied for a

926
00:47:08,195 --> 00:47:13,067
role after the layoffs, not
because they liked meta, but

927
00:47:13,126 --> 00:47:15,711
because the pay was good, and
this is the quote.

928
00:47:15,711 --> 00:47:19,527
It's the worst company I've
ever worked for, but they also

929
00:47:19,586 --> 00:47:22,280
paid the best, and if I could
get in there for a couple more

930
00:47:22,340 --> 00:47:24,684
years and make bank, I would do
it.

931
00:47:26,847 --> 00:47:30,193
Speaker 2: Okay, then that's not
getting you off the do not hire

932
00:47:30,193 --> 00:47:30,554
list.

933
00:47:30,554 --> 00:47:32,260
Yeah.

934
00:47:33,702 --> 00:47:34,364
Speaker 1: And actually.

935
00:47:34,864 --> 00:47:38,610
Speaker 2: I worked at it for
exactly one year.

936
00:47:38,610 --> 00:47:48,282
I worked at a temp agency and
not only did we have a do not

937
00:47:48,322 --> 00:47:49,543
hire list, but we had what we
called a GPR.

938
00:47:49,543 --> 00:47:51,748
In that rehireable GPR, the
good company's name started with

939
00:47:51,748 --> 00:47:52,130
a P.

940
00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:54,521
What is the R stand for, I
don't know, but they were a

941
00:47:54,802 --> 00:47:55,443
representative.

942
00:47:55,443 --> 00:48:02,023
So if we and we would like when
I would go into the ATS like we

943
00:48:02,023 --> 00:48:03,947
have a position, I'd look and
see.

944
00:48:03,947 --> 00:48:09,264
Oh, I'd first go to our GPRs,
because a lot of the people that

945
00:48:09,264 --> 00:48:13,353
I would mark as GPRs were
people who only wanted to do

946
00:48:13,413 --> 00:48:16,427
temp work and they only want to
do like, hey, I'll do two weeks

947
00:48:16,487 --> 00:48:19,387
here, and then you know I don't
want to work for three months

948
00:48:19,427 --> 00:48:19,728
again.

949
00:48:19,728 --> 00:48:22,148
And I would just call them, hey
, I've got this thing.

950
00:48:22,148 --> 00:48:25,192
And they'd tell me, no, I'm
like OK, fine, but I knew that

951
00:48:25,431 --> 00:48:28,335
when I did put them somewhere,
they would go in and kick ass

952
00:48:28,375 --> 00:48:30,637
and do well and things like that
.

953
00:48:30,637 --> 00:48:35,690
So there is a flip side to the
do not hire list as well that

954
00:48:36,030 --> 00:48:38,153
I've actually personally
experienced.

955
00:48:39,141 --> 00:48:40,264
Speaker 3: I'm probably on
Starbucks.

956
00:48:40,264 --> 00:48:41,208
Do not rehire.

957
00:48:43,344 --> 00:48:45,170
Speaker 2: Oh, got to hear the
story behind that one.

958
00:48:45,733 --> 00:48:47,097
Speaker 3: I think I told this
story before.

959
00:48:47,097 --> 00:48:49,947
That was like the only time in
my life where I walked off a job

960
00:48:49,947 --> 00:48:51,940
because the manager pissed me
off so much.

961
00:48:51,940 --> 00:48:53,744
But yeah, like it was.

962
00:48:53,903 --> 00:48:59,420
I was a shift supervisor and she
had asked me to work on a night

963
00:48:59,420 --> 00:49:03,307
that I requested off because I
had an exam that this was

964
00:49:03,347 --> 00:49:03,688
college.

965
00:49:03,688 --> 00:49:05,572
I had an exam the next day.

966
00:49:05,572 --> 00:49:07,581
And she was like too bad, so
sad.

967
00:49:07,581 --> 00:49:09,407
And I was like, okay, I guess
I'll do it.

968
00:49:09,407 --> 00:49:14,523
But then I found someone to
cover my shift and while I'm at

969
00:49:14,563 --> 00:49:17,771
home like studying, I get a
phone call from this manager out

970
00:49:17,771 --> 00:49:22,146
at a bar, like a few shots in
being like you need to get back

971
00:49:22,186 --> 00:49:25,793
to the store because so and so
he said he would cover your

972
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,983
shifts but he has no authority
to do so.

973
00:49:27,983 --> 00:49:34,135
And I'm like, excuse me, and
she's like I don't know, she's

974
00:49:34,179 --> 00:49:36,485
like if you don't get back there
, he's gonna get fired and

975
00:49:36,505 --> 00:49:37,347
that'll be on you.

976
00:49:37,347 --> 00:49:40,822
And I was like so I went back
to the store because I actually

977
00:49:40,882 --> 00:49:44,487
like, like the guy, he was a
good like, he was a friend, and

978
00:49:45,108 --> 00:49:48,634
so, yeah, the next day I came in
and I was like, fuck you.

979
00:49:48,873 --> 00:49:51,875
I didn't say that I basically
threw the keys on the counter,

980
00:49:51,894 --> 00:49:53,784
I'm like I'm quitting, and she's
like when.

981
00:49:53,784 --> 00:49:56,197
I'm like today, and she was
like you have to get your shifts

982
00:49:56,197 --> 00:49:56,480
covered.

983
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,666
And I remember just looking at
her and being like you're the

984
00:49:59,726 --> 00:50:01,871
manager, so I guess you're going
to have to manage that.

985
00:50:01,952 --> 00:50:05,059
Speaker 2: And I, like you, know
Starbucks has such a bad

986
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:09,411
reputation and I know someone
who loved their time working.

987
00:50:09,411 --> 00:50:11,507
I loved my time working there.

988
00:50:12,101 --> 00:50:14,646
Speaker 3: I did like to this
day, loved it.

989
00:50:14,646 --> 00:50:18,893
I, I still, you know, drink,
drink the, drink the coffee,

990
00:50:19,882 --> 00:50:20,523
drink the Kool-Aid.

991
00:50:20,523 --> 00:50:26,666
But but, oh, I could go down a
rabbit hole right now and be so

992
00:50:26,686 --> 00:50:28,172
excited that they're bringing
back third place and that

993
00:50:28,193 --> 00:50:29,056
they're doing for here, coffees
again.

994
00:50:29,056 --> 00:50:29,981
It's, it's a brilliant move.

995
00:50:29,981 --> 00:50:33,286
Great, the CEO is, I think, is
moving in a good direction.

996
00:50:33,286 --> 00:50:39,242
But, yeah, that manager was
just a nightmare and she she was

997
00:50:39,242 --> 00:50:43,909
, it was clicky and she had her
best friends working there and

998
00:50:44,311 --> 00:50:47,681
she was very immature, like I
don't know how she got promoted

999
00:50:47,740 --> 00:50:52,648
into that role, um, but yeah,
like she was just, uh, an

1000
00:50:52,750 --> 00:50:53,090
asshole.

1001
00:50:53,271 --> 00:50:56,541
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, one
thing I was amazed at when my

1002
00:50:56,581 --> 00:50:57,324
daughter was in college.

1003
00:50:57,324 --> 00:51:04,965
She worked retail and the they
had an app and if you wanted to

1004
00:51:05,005 --> 00:51:06,150
give up a ship, pick up or give
up, they had an app.

1005
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:06,231
You.

1006
00:51:06,231 --> 00:51:07,518
And if you wanted to give up a
shift, pick up or give up, they

1007
00:51:07,539 --> 00:51:07,739
had an app.

1008
00:51:07,739 --> 00:51:10,590
You could go in and put your
you're still responsible until

1009
00:51:10,652 --> 00:51:11,896
someone else covered it.

1010
00:51:11,896 --> 00:51:15,164
But when someone else checked
that box I'm taking this shift

1011
00:51:15,786 --> 00:51:19,293
then you were off the hook and I
loved it.

1012
00:51:19,574 --> 00:51:22,762
I love that idea and my daughter
loved it as, hey, I don't have

1013
00:51:22,802 --> 00:51:23,503
anything going on.

1014
00:51:23,503 --> 00:51:26,525
She would just log in and say,
oh, I can work tomorrow, I can

1015
00:51:26,545 --> 00:51:30,586
work later this afternoon, and
other people didn't mind.

1016
00:51:30,586 --> 00:51:36,710
Now she got talked to once
about her overtime and I'm like

1017
00:51:37,152 --> 00:51:41,173
I told her you know, okay, but
if you're accepted, their system

1018
00:51:41,173 --> 00:51:41,755
has some rules.

1019
00:51:41,755 --> 00:51:44,235
It didn't allow oh, you have
too many hours, you're not going

1020
00:51:44,235 --> 00:51:46,777
to, we're not going to allow
you to do this.

1021
00:51:46,777 --> 00:51:51,242
But that's not her fault, but
someone you know your, your

1022
00:51:51,282 --> 00:51:54,275
cashier, shouldn't be worried
about how many hours a week

1023
00:51:54,317 --> 00:51:56,547
they're working if they could do
it.

1024
00:51:56,547 --> 00:51:57,786
So I just found that app.

1025
00:51:57,786 --> 00:52:03,351
I loved that technology, I love
the thought behind it and I was

1026
00:52:03,351 --> 00:52:04,074
like that's it, man.

1027
00:52:04,074 --> 00:52:06,822
I wish I had that when I was a
teenager, because I would have

1028
00:52:06,842 --> 00:52:08,628
been the guy who's picking up
shifts if I could.

1029
00:52:08,628 --> 00:52:11,581
Hey, it's Wednesday night, I'm
not doing jack, so maybe I'll

1030
00:52:11,681 --> 00:52:13,324
just make a couple bucks tonight
.

1031
00:52:13,465 --> 00:52:17,233
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say I
did skim over the part.

1032
00:52:17,233 --> 00:52:18,599
I don't know why.

1033
00:52:18,599 --> 00:52:19,960
I'm like this is an HR audience
.

1034
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:21,202
The point why, he quote unquote
.

1035
00:52:21,222 --> 00:52:26,166
The point why he quote unquote
couldn't work was because he was

1036
00:52:26,166 --> 00:52:32,972
going into overtime and that's
why and she had originally given

1037
00:52:32,972 --> 00:52:37,074
the okay of switching a shift,
because we're like I'm switching

1038
00:52:37,074 --> 00:52:39,976
shifts with so-and-so or not
switching, but he's picking up

1039
00:52:39,996 --> 00:52:42,242
my shift and she's like, cool,
cool.

1040
00:52:42,242 --> 00:52:46,295
But I think she had realized
while she was out drinking that

1041
00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:50,427
that him working was going to
put him into overtime and that

1042
00:52:50,447 --> 00:52:53,282
was probably a shitty situation
for her as a store manager.

1043
00:52:53,282 --> 00:52:59,092
So for her then to have turned
it around and been like he's

1044
00:52:59,132 --> 00:53:03,224
gonna get fired, so you better
get back there, and if you don't

1045
00:53:03,224 --> 00:53:07,621
, then his firing is going to be
on you is like no, you are

1046
00:53:07,641 --> 00:53:11,251
going to get your hand slapped
by the district manager and this

1047
00:53:11,251 --> 00:53:11,891
is the bullshit.

1048
00:53:11,891 --> 00:53:14,626
You did so anyway, that's crazy
.

1049
00:53:16,172 --> 00:53:18,217
Speaker 2: I can't imagine the
manager saying somebody else's

1050
00:53:18,277 --> 00:53:22,684
termination is going to be on
another employee his blood is on

1051
00:53:22,684 --> 00:53:23,324
your hands.

1052
00:53:23,786 --> 00:53:28,751
Speaker 3: Anyway looking back
on that, I'm like, oh no, you're

1053
00:53:28,751 --> 00:53:29,711
just saving your ass.

1054
00:53:29,711 --> 00:53:32,815
And I really, in hindsight,
like no, he wasn't going to get

1055
00:53:32,896 --> 00:53:33,295
fired.

1056
00:53:33,295 --> 00:53:35,222
I wasn't going to get fired.

1057
00:53:35,222 --> 00:53:36,847
I should have just told her I
was unavailable and hung up my

1058
00:53:36,867 --> 00:53:37,208
phone.

1059
00:53:37,900 --> 00:53:39,827
But, you don't know this stuff.

1060
00:53:39,827 --> 00:53:42,865
If you're like a college
student working an hourly,

1061
00:53:42,965 --> 00:53:46,800
hourly, part-time role and
you've never been exposed to,

1062
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:53,572
like you know, the HRE, labor-y
side of work, like you don't

1063
00:53:53,632 --> 00:53:56,605
know your rights, you don't know
how things work, so you just

1064
00:53:56,664 --> 00:53:59,920
take what your manager says at
face value, no matter how wrong

1065
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:00,320
they are.

1066
00:54:01,141 --> 00:54:02,902
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's
absolutely.

1067
00:54:02,902 --> 00:54:04,362
That's absolutely true.

1068
00:54:04,362 --> 00:54:06,443
And that's why you get some of
these companies that do,

1069
00:54:06,543 --> 00:54:09,826
especially, unfortunately, when
you're dealing with high school,

1070
00:54:09,826 --> 00:54:13,907
college level kids who don't
know any better and they don't

1071
00:54:13,947 --> 00:54:16,789
know how to stand up for
themselves and say no when they

1072
00:54:16,849 --> 00:54:17,250
should.

1073
00:54:17,250 --> 00:54:21,293
And you get the a-holes who
take advantage of them multiple

1074
00:54:21,333 --> 00:54:23,753
ways, and it's just no yeah of
them in multiple ways and it's

1075
00:54:24,474 --> 00:54:25,094
just no yeah, that's yeah.

1076
00:54:25,815 --> 00:54:29,898
Thankfully for our little babe
when she gets to be that age and

1077
00:54:29,898 --> 00:54:35,126
gets a part-time job she'll
have two HR parents to let her

1078
00:54:35,146 --> 00:54:36,813
know what her rights are and she
can stand up for herself.

1079
00:54:37,757 --> 00:54:42,010
Yeah, yeah, my kids, my daughter
, doesn't come to me too much

1080
00:54:43,306 --> 00:54:45,335
for advice on the job.

1081
00:54:45,335 --> 00:54:48,804
You know, I've reviewed, I
review her resumes and I help

1082
00:54:48,844 --> 00:54:52,733
her and I mock interview with my
kids and things like that.

1083
00:54:52,733 --> 00:54:56,027
But, and, and the thing is,
mock interview with me, I, I'm,

1084
00:54:56,621 --> 00:54:59,789
I'm fucking brutally honest and
they're not getting any sugar.

1085
00:54:59,789 --> 00:55:01,211
Oh, you did so well, daughter.

1086
00:55:01,211 --> 00:55:04,989
No, not quite, but anyways.

1087
00:55:04,989 --> 00:55:09,509
So if that is you, please
remember to be like our Patreon

1088
00:55:09,528 --> 00:55:12,382
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1089
00:55:12,422 --> 00:55:15,692
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1090
00:55:15,692 --> 00:55:19,342
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1091
00:55:19,382 --> 00:55:22,047
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1092
00:55:22,088 --> 00:55:23,972
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1093
00:55:23,972 --> 00:55:25,626
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1094
00:55:25,626 --> 00:55:29,789
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1095
00:55:29,849 --> 00:55:32,748
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1096
00:55:32,748 --> 00:55:38,905
So, as always, I'm Warren, I'm
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1097
00:55:38,925 --> 00:55:40,309
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1098
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:42,179
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