WEBVTT 00:00:02.023 --> 00:00:09.814 Had you actually read the email, you would know that the podcast you are about to listen to could contain explicit language and offensive content. 00:00:09.814 --> 00:00:16.480 These HR experts' views are not representative of their past, present or future employers. 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:19.707 If you have ever heard my manager is unfair to me. 00:00:19.707 --> 00:00:26.548 I need you to reset my HR portal password, or Can I write up my employee for crying too much? 00:00:26.548 --> 00:00:28.861 Welcome to our little safe zone. 00:00:28.861 --> 00:00:34.164 Welcome to Jaded HR. 00:00:48.871 --> 00:00:52.033 Welcome to JDHR, the podcast by two HR professionals. 00:00:52.033 --> 00:00:56.295 We want to help you get through the workday by saying everything you're thinking, but say it out loud. 00:00:56.295 --> 00:00:57.176 I'm Warren. 00:00:58.036 --> 00:00:58.478 I'm Cece. 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:05.620 Right, wow, so obviously the office episode still isn't post. 00:01:05.620 --> 00:01:12.427 I am going to spend some time working on it very shortly, but this episode is going to come out before the Office episode does. 00:01:12.427 --> 00:01:20.456 But that'll be next, and our next recording in two weeks is going to be a special one, so stay tuned for that everybody. 00:01:21.061 --> 00:01:21.903 I'm looking forward to it. 00:01:22.123 --> 00:01:23.546 Yeah, let's see here. 00:01:23.546 --> 00:01:25.391 So it's been an interesting. 00:01:25.391 --> 00:01:36.406 You know I'm not going to go into all the details that we've been talking offline and about the interesting two weeks I've had and you've had an interesting two weeks as well, but, wow, shit's getting real sometimes. 00:01:36.427 --> 00:01:36.947 Seriously. 00:01:37.730 --> 00:01:38.510 But anyways. 00:01:38.611 --> 00:01:39.472 It's crazy out there. 00:01:40.900 --> 00:01:41.621 Literally yeah. 00:01:41.621 --> 00:01:49.968 And speaking of crazy, that just blows us straight into one of the topics I was going to see some, some crazy people on. 00:01:49.968 --> 00:01:52.894 Well, I'll start with the baby wombat thief. 00:01:52.894 --> 00:02:01.995 I I I haven't followed the story other than what's on the news, but you see the video. 00:02:01.995 --> 00:02:08.063 She's videoed herself of stealing the baby wombat from its mother and my thing is okay. 00:02:08.063 --> 00:02:09.930 What the hell is she going to do with it? 00:02:09.930 --> 00:02:14.091 You're not going to be able to put it on a plane and take it back to the United States with you or anything. 00:02:14.091 --> 00:02:16.867 Customs is not going to look favorably upon that. 00:02:18.320 --> 00:02:19.425 It's so dumb. 00:02:19.425 --> 00:02:21.067 She was just doing it for clout. 00:02:21.067 --> 00:02:24.243 It's clear that she just wanted social media followers. 00:02:24.243 --> 00:02:25.866 Yeah, like, it's clear that she just wanted social media followers. 00:02:25.866 --> 00:02:26.967 And, oh like, leave it alone. 00:02:26.967 --> 00:02:39.241 And the way the mother was like, oh no, she deserves to be like she deserves diarrhea. 00:02:39.262 --> 00:02:39.865 Oh, I think it should be worse. 00:02:39.865 --> 00:02:42.838 You know, australia should deport her to someplace horrible and not let her go back to the United States, at least immediately. 00:02:42.838 --> 00:03:23.971 And I just, and once again, I haven't seen anything more than what was on the news, but it seems like at first she was snapping back at people who were coming at her for it, and today on the news actually, I saw I spent too much time waiting in the lobby where we have all the news monitors and I see these things and she's apologizing profusely and what has happened is she's getting canceled rightfully so, and yeah, and now, oh my gosh, right, and I don't know how many followers she had, or sponsorship deals or anything like that she might have had, but still, you don't mess with Australia, animals too. 00:03:24.170 --> 00:03:25.233 Half of them are poisonous. 00:03:25.233 --> 00:03:26.695 They're not going to kill you, yeah. 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:32.192 Half of them can kill you and the others are protected and they take that stuff so seriously. 00:03:32.192 --> 00:03:36.070 Oh yeah, so I mean, just don't mess, Don't touch the animals. 00:03:36.070 --> 00:03:37.145 It's not a petting zoo. 00:03:37.145 --> 00:03:39.205 The world is not your petting zoo. 00:03:39.929 --> 00:03:43.188 Okay, speaking of which, I have a little patch. 00:03:43.188 --> 00:03:49.663 Don't pet the fluffy cows. 00:03:49.663 --> 00:03:50.645 I used to love Yellowstone National Park. 00:03:50.645 --> 00:03:52.810 I probably won't go there ever again in my life. 00:03:52.810 --> 00:03:57.686 It's insanity on steroids, but I love. 00:03:57.765 --> 00:04:05.288 One of my favorite Instagram sites is Torons of Yellowstone, and you see all these people getting way too close to Buffalo. 00:04:05.288 --> 00:04:15.812 There's one not too long ago where Buffalo is charging a dude but whoever's videotaping it sort of runs away before you get to see the person get tossed around. 00:04:15.812 --> 00:04:18.884 And I'm like you know, I'm rooting every time I see those things. 00:04:18.884 --> 00:04:28.560 I'm rooting for the Buffalo, I'm rooting for the bear, the buffalo. 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:29.081 I'm rooting for the bear. 00:04:29.081 --> 00:04:29.762 I'm rooting for you know. 00:04:29.762 --> 00:04:31.547 Okay, yeah, if you play stupid games, win stupid prizes, and I just love seeing that. 00:04:31.547 --> 00:04:32.788 The same thing applies to this. 00:04:32.788 --> 00:04:39.367 This lady who wanted to do to be become insta famous or whatever with the wombat. 00:04:39.367 --> 00:04:43.394 So oh, and I will say wombats are really. 00:04:43.394 --> 00:04:48.992 If animals in australia are, either really cool and really cute or they are fugly. 00:04:48.992 --> 00:04:54.033 They don't have average animals in Australia. 00:04:54.033 --> 00:04:59.281 Like I said, they kill you or they don't, or they're ugly or they're not, but wombats are. 00:04:59.281 --> 00:05:01.288 They're pretty darn cute animals. 00:05:01.408 --> 00:05:04.586 They're so cute, leave the babies alone. 00:05:04.586 --> 00:05:07.047 But just think about it. 00:05:07.047 --> 00:05:08.646 That would never happen to a human. 00:05:08.646 --> 00:05:16.572 No one's going to come up to me in public with my baby and grab it from me and be like look, how cute it is. 00:05:16.572 --> 00:05:18.286 You would be arrested for that. 00:05:18.860 --> 00:05:20.608 Yeah, you would Kidnapping. 00:05:20.608 --> 00:05:22.839 Yeah, that's literally kidnapping. 00:05:23.401 --> 00:05:27.091 So yeah, that's something crazy. 00:05:27.091 --> 00:06:15.853 But also in the news this happened not terribly far from me in Virginia, but the track girl who was having assault charges pressed against her for smacking her now the runner in the head with the baton Now I don't know anything about track and field, I'm assuming they're not heavy like a lead pipe or anything, but you're still smacking and the girl had a concussion and once again found out this sitting in the lobby of my building waiting for a conference room and the girl's on TV crying and I was tripping and I was falling and my and I you know I'm like you were not tripping, you assailed that other girl and I just own up to it. 00:06:15.853 --> 00:06:21.069 You know she's obviously 18 if they're putting her name and everything out there. 00:06:21.069 --> 00:06:25.071 So own up to it, be an adult and grow up. 00:06:25.071 --> 00:06:33.562 And her parents were sitting beside her and I was like, come on, dad, mom, I'm just like, okay, there's no way that was tripping and falling in. 00:06:33.562 --> 00:06:41.490 And now that her name's out there, just like the wombat baby thief, you know who's going to want to hire this person. 00:06:41.490 --> 00:06:45.886 You know a crime is someone who physically lashes out at people. 00:06:45.886 --> 00:06:47.081 It's, it's crazy. 00:06:47.081 --> 00:06:49.149 And add another little twist into it. 00:06:49.249 --> 00:06:52.841 I've mentioned before, I spent 15 years as a baseball umpire and I. 00:06:52.841 --> 00:07:16.245 I worked high school, I worked college, I worked, you know, I, I went up the ranks and I one of the reasons I got out of it is just the shenanigans and the ridiculousness is getting to the extreme Now and the shenanigans seem to be more the lower down the food chain you go, the more shenanigans you get, the mommy and daddy drama. 00:07:16.245 --> 00:07:21.351 And I pay, we pay over $15,000 a year to play baseball and da da da. 00:07:21.351 --> 00:07:22.485 Okay, good for you. 00:07:22.485 --> 00:07:25.446 That doesn't mean you, the rules change and stuff like that. 00:07:25.446 --> 00:07:35.473 But the shenanigans, when you get to competitive high schools, you know the shenanigans die off very quickly and in college, once again, there's less of it. 00:07:35.961 --> 00:07:39.129 It goes down and most of the shenanigans are harmless. 00:07:39.129 --> 00:07:43.908 You're not going to have, you know, people doing things like that. 00:07:43.908 --> 00:07:50.689 Or I never accounted for it at the college level or even upper level, high school level, but you know the sports and parents. 00:07:50.689 --> 00:07:51.612 It just made it. 00:07:51.612 --> 00:07:55.908 It took something I loved to death and it made it something. 00:07:55.908 --> 00:08:03.403 Yeah, I thought I'd have a harder, a bigger problem leaving it and you know I haven't done it in six, seven years and don't miss it. 00:08:03.403 --> 00:08:05.048 Oh, that's pity yeah. 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:10.081 So yeah, I just thought of that, Like what you just said. 00:08:10.141 --> 00:08:20.690 I was watching some content creator just kind of like snarking on another content creator, but the person that he was talking about is a train wreck. 00:08:20.690 --> 00:08:32.373 Like she is just an alcoholic train wreck but makes a shit ton of money on like tiktok and surprise only fans oh boy and like the wish no judgment. 00:08:32.413 --> 00:08:33.996 You know, you do you? 00:08:33.996 --> 00:08:40.179 But at the same time, like he made this comment so flippantly, he was like I mean you, you want to get your daughter back. 00:08:40.179 --> 00:08:41.822 Why are you making only fans content? 00:08:41.822 --> 00:08:43.705 Why don't you get a normal job at a company? 00:08:43.705 --> 00:08:58.865 And I'm like, oh, like, I think it's really hard for people to like, once you're out there, especially with this individual who has, like I don't know, like hundreds of thousands of followers and it's kind of becoming infamous for some of the shit she's doing. 00:08:58.865 --> 00:09:21.162 It's hard just like flip a switch one day and be like, oh, I'm gonna work at a corporate job because it's just, it's not that easy, like, if your name is out there, whether it be something infamous or something you know off the beaten path, like only fans, like it's hard just to you know, turn on a straight path and go to corporate. 00:09:21.221 --> 00:09:26.051 Like unfortunately, yeah like people are on the internet. 00:09:26.051 --> 00:09:30.147 People know things, it is difficult Once you become famous. 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:34.149 I mean, look at the lady who called the bird watcher a racist and called the police. 00:09:34.149 --> 00:09:35.572 Nobody knew who she was. 00:09:35.572 --> 00:09:38.469 Oh yeah, put the internet sleuths on her, bam. 00:09:38.469 --> 00:09:39.720 I mean instantly. 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:55.644 Everybody knew who she was and you may use a pseudonym or something like that online, but you know, if you do something stupid then people are going to find you and it's you know. 00:09:55.644 --> 00:10:06.270 I see this meme probably once a week on Instagram or Facebook and the meme is some kids talking and remember before OnlyFans, when your mom only sold Avon. 00:10:06.270 --> 00:10:15.532 I think that's funny, but yeah, anywho, so wow. 00:10:15.532 --> 00:10:18.687 But we are going to talk about HR today. 00:10:19.269 --> 00:10:19.951 Yeah, we are. 00:10:19.951 --> 00:10:23.485 That was our Around the World in five minutes. 00:10:23.865 --> 00:10:35.177 Yeah, Well, okay, we just talked about this a little, while you and I both seem to miss the boat on this, the the husband and wife work wife cards. 00:10:35.177 --> 00:10:37.717 Work husband work wife cards out there. 00:10:38.378 --> 00:10:39.399 For Valentine's Day. 00:10:39.820 --> 00:10:46.900 On for Valentine's Day and I'm like I I must've been under a cave or whatever during the Valentine's Day and I'm like I must have been under a cave or whatever during the Valentine's Day thing. 00:10:46.900 --> 00:10:52.230 But it pulled up in my algorithm and I'm seeing it everywhere. 00:10:52.230 --> 00:10:53.793 Hr Manifesto posted it. 00:10:53.793 --> 00:10:56.287 I've seen it so many different ways. 00:10:56.287 --> 00:10:57.870 I'm like wow. 00:11:02.426 --> 00:11:02.986 For a second. 00:11:02.986 --> 00:11:06.494 I thought it was like you just explained it to me. 00:11:06.494 --> 00:11:11.549 I didn't see anything yet and I was like my visceral reaction was just like uh-uh-uh. 00:11:11.549 --> 00:11:19.826 And then I had a moment where I was like maybe I'm overreacting, maybe this is just something funny, and then it was worse. 00:11:20.046 --> 00:11:20.908 It was worse. 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:29.333 Because I didn't realize that the cards were being sold in Hallmark and crap. 00:11:29.333 --> 00:11:31.567 And I'm like, are you effing serious? 00:11:31.567 --> 00:11:33.183 That's insane. 00:11:33.183 --> 00:11:34.307 I hate it. 00:11:34.307 --> 00:11:35.350 I hate it. 00:11:35.350 --> 00:11:57.860 I'm not a jealous type, but if my husband came home and was like, hey, look what my co-worker gave me, I would tear his eyeballs out or someone's eyeballs out, Like no, well, that would be my fear, even if I got it for a co-worker that I'm close with or something, having their significant other come and hunt me down. 00:11:57.900 --> 00:11:59.365 I've learned the hard way I'm not a fighter. 00:11:59.365 --> 00:12:02.072 I've learned that the very hard way. 00:12:02.072 --> 00:12:05.042 I'm not the fighter. 00:12:05.042 --> 00:12:11.927 And unless I have 30 fraternity brothers with me, then I can be yeah, yeah, but one-on-one, nope, not going to do it. 00:12:11.927 --> 00:12:14.269 But that's what I'd be afraid of. 00:12:14.269 --> 00:12:15.892 I give you a card like that to you. 00:12:15.892 --> 00:12:21.216 Kevin's going to come and wring my neck, he's going to drive cross-country. 00:12:21.216 --> 00:12:26.803 And I'm like, no, yeah, exactly Now, if I were to get one. 00:12:26.803 --> 00:12:28.085 My wife was like, good, take him. 00:12:28.085 --> 00:12:31.126 But anyways, I loved it. 00:12:31.126 --> 00:12:36.010 I think we just watched the meme together, the little HR manifesto. 00:12:36.010 --> 00:12:39.634 It was like, oh no, don't spend $4.95 to get yourself fired. 00:12:39.634 --> 00:12:49.245 And I thought that was the best line you could say about that yeah, don't spend $4.99.99. 00:12:49.245 --> 00:12:50.388 But on a relate note, we just got past, we survived. 00:12:50.388 --> 00:12:53.863 Did everybody survive st patrick's day with no pinching in the workplace? 00:12:53.863 --> 00:12:55.025 That is so funny. 00:12:55.787 --> 00:13:08.433 I well, I, I personally work from home, so yeah, oh yeah, I have not ever dealt with it, but I've heard a couple of times of people having to deal with pinching at the workplace. 00:13:08.433 --> 00:13:10.003 Oh geez people. 00:13:10.062 --> 00:13:12.188 Just don't touch people, just don't touch them. 00:13:12.429 --> 00:13:13.392 Yeah, don't touch people. 00:13:13.392 --> 00:13:15.806 Oh, let's see here. 00:13:15.806 --> 00:13:25.232 So last episode I was talking about my little drama employee calling me from their tax office or whatever to needing their stuff. 00:13:25.232 --> 00:13:30.586 But I've seen in uh jamie at uh hr besties once again. 00:13:30.586 --> 00:13:38.412 She had this great meme about be nice to your payroll and hr people just because you get fucked is you didn't do your taxes right. 00:13:38.412 --> 00:13:39.495 Uh, and she. 00:13:39.495 --> 00:13:41.402 She was much nicer about it than I was. 00:13:41.402 --> 00:13:43.667 You know, that's not our problem. 00:13:43.667 --> 00:13:52.092 I haven't experienced this in some time, but I have been there when y'all have fucked up my taxes and I owe all this money and all that. 00:13:52.092 --> 00:13:55.908 Like, oh, did I fill out your W-4 for you? 00:13:55.908 --> 00:13:56.809 Do I know what your? 00:13:56.809 --> 00:14:05.350 Maybe you've got OnlyFans that you're earning money from they send you your 1099, and now you've got to pay a lot of taxes. 00:14:05.831 --> 00:14:06.714 That's self-employment. 00:14:07.059 --> 00:14:09.629 You got to claim that OF that OF income. 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:13.408 But I don't know what their situation is. 00:14:13.408 --> 00:14:23.489 And on top of that, this is I've seen this, not recently, but I've seen it before HR people online talking about we're not tax professionals, y'all. 00:14:23.489 --> 00:14:31.485 And by telling people how to fill out their forms, I will give high level advice. 00:14:31.485 --> 00:14:37.264 The more exemptions you claim, the less they take out, and I will. 00:14:37.264 --> 00:14:40.491 If someone puts exempt on there, I will say are you sure you want to do this? 00:14:40.491 --> 00:14:41.745 We might want to look into it. 00:14:41.745 --> 00:14:48.532 But if they say sure, I'll let the exempt say exempt and I'll be waiting for that lock-in letter from the IRS. 00:14:48.532 --> 00:14:51.522 But in however many months it takes them to get around to it. 00:14:51.522 --> 00:14:54.227 But we're not tax experts. 00:14:54.227 --> 00:15:05.345 And on top of that I was talking to someone else about this Companies have errors and omission assurance and things like that, but that only applies if you're working within the scope of your work. 00:15:05.365 --> 00:15:25.746 So if I'm doing my job and I don't know I do something wrong, bad, illegal and it gets us sued, the company has errors and emissions insurance on me, but it will not apply if I'm doing something I'm not supposed to be doing, like giving tax advice and things like that, because it will say, no, you're not working the scope of your job and you will be responsible for it. 00:15:25.746 --> 00:15:34.663 So HR, payroll people, even if in your prior life you are a CPA, you're not acting as it at work. 00:15:34.663 --> 00:15:36.847 Don't give that tax advice. 00:15:36.847 --> 00:15:41.302 I've seen that too many times and I just stay away. 00:15:41.302 --> 00:15:43.986 Stop Danger, will Robinson Danger. 00:15:43.986 --> 00:15:56.312 So anyway, you know this is a strange episode because we both did our homework ahead of time, so we've got a Google Doc of all of our stuff here. 00:15:56.312 --> 00:15:59.928 Well, I'll jump ahead to your thing. 00:15:59.928 --> 00:16:03.928 What you pulled up, I really like this when you sent it to me. 00:16:03.928 --> 00:16:06.285 So let's talk about resumes. 00:16:06.326 --> 00:16:07.408 So resumes. 00:16:07.408 --> 00:16:23.210 So every once in a while you see one of those articles come up by some expert who has his top five ways of his or her top five ways of doing everything right, and it came across me, like my browser. 00:16:23.210 --> 00:16:25.768 It was like, hey, business Insider posted this. 00:16:25.768 --> 00:16:29.368 Oh no, not Business Insider, I know. 00:16:29.368 --> 00:16:30.672 And I was like what? 00:16:30.672 --> 00:16:38.614 And apparently Ethan Evans says that he has viewed over what is it? 00:16:38.614 --> 00:16:42.811 10,000 resumes and had more than 2,500 interviews. 00:16:42.811 --> 00:16:45.850 And why do we care about what Ethan Evans has to say? 00:16:45.850 --> 00:16:52.592 Because he's done this for so many years at so many companies, including Big Daddy, amazon. 00:16:52.592 --> 00:16:58.092 So he basically put out what the top things that we should be doing on our resumes. 00:16:58.092 --> 00:16:59.860 So I'm going to be honest with you. 00:16:59.860 --> 00:17:10.988 I started reading this with a little bit of a jaded eye I'm like another listicle, but honestly I kind of agree with a lot of what he says. 00:17:10.988 --> 00:17:15.691 So the number one thing is like no results, only activities. 00:17:15.691 --> 00:17:15.891 To. 00:17:16.050 --> 00:17:26.480 According to the article is that people tend to just list the things that they are responsible for. 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:33.962 So like I wrote code or I managed people or whatever it might be, but people aren't putting results on there. 00:17:33.962 --> 00:17:36.848 And I was like, oh, like, so smart. 00:17:36.848 --> 00:17:44.471 So basically, like if you could link your results to or to what you've done that actually improved the company. 00:17:44.471 --> 00:17:45.653 It shows your value. 00:17:46.299 --> 00:17:57.330 Another thing is like if you have that stuff tangibly that you can share, link it to your resume which is funny, because I never even considered that. 00:17:57.330 --> 00:18:00.349 I was like, oh yeah, idiot. 00:18:00.349 --> 00:18:04.897 Like, link your award, link your stuff there so people can click on it and see, like all this tangible stuff. 00:18:04.897 --> 00:18:06.335 But yeah, like I thought, award, link your stuff there so people can click on it and see, like all this tangible stuff. 00:18:06.335 --> 00:18:09.656 But yeah, like I thought that that was brilliant. 00:18:09.656 --> 00:18:24.563 That's it's not even like brilliant, it's more like really common that people don't do, especially as you get up the up the ladder in your career and go into more specialized roles or more senior roles like those results are so important. 00:18:26.566 --> 00:18:36.142 Yeah, and like you, when you sent this, I started reading it as a jaded thing, especially when I get to the line. 00:18:36.142 --> 00:18:38.853 I've reviewed more than 10,000 resumes and conducted more than 2,500 interviews. 00:18:38.853 --> 00:18:49.433 If you're getting 2,500 interviews out of 10,000 resumes, damn, one out of four you're good, but but anyways and then of course they throw the the companies, as everybody has to put the the company they they did. 00:18:49.453 --> 00:18:55.851 You know, nobody would know the names of any of the companies I've worked for, but you know I spent nearly 10 years recruiting. 00:18:55.851 --> 00:19:02.279 I can't imagine how many hundreds of of thousands of resumes I've reviewed, or thousands of resume. 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:08.327 But I don't work for either the cool Fang companies Now that I'm cool enough to know what Fang is, kind of so. 00:19:08.327 --> 00:19:14.326 But you know that that's something in being so early on that made me, that heightened my jadedness. 00:19:14.326 --> 00:19:22.127 But then it goes on in there and and one of the, the second line of the articles recruiters skim resumes quickly. 00:19:22.127 --> 00:19:25.954 So clarity and conciseness is crucial for success, absolutely. 00:19:25.954 --> 00:19:30.951 I've seen things where you have less than 10 seconds to make an impression. 00:19:30.951 --> 00:19:32.244 I think you might even have less. 00:19:32.906 --> 00:19:43.250 Yeah, I pull up a resume, I skim it real quick and if it doesn't make me want to actually go beyond skimming into reading, you're gone. 00:19:43.250 --> 00:19:47.542 You're in the next pile and I do this when I'm hiring. 00:19:47.542 --> 00:19:53.942 I have an A, a, b and a C pile and A my first time through A is going to be like the hard. 00:19:53.942 --> 00:20:01.082 I probably will have one or two A's in there, if even the B's are okay and then the C. 00:20:01.082 --> 00:20:06.212 I'll revisit them, the Cs, if I don't have any luck. 00:20:06.212 --> 00:20:08.828 But I just go through, go through. 00:20:08.828 --> 00:20:15.150 And yeah, you don't have much time and yeah, I agree with some of these mistakes. 00:20:15.150 --> 00:20:19.611 Yeah, like I said, he says your resume has to be optimized to catch the eye quickly. 00:20:19.611 --> 00:20:21.363 The goal is for them to skim it. 00:20:21.363 --> 00:20:23.847 Think about, think it would be worthwhile to interview you. 00:20:23.847 --> 00:20:25.872 Just catch the eye. 00:20:25.872 --> 00:20:28.425 Just catch the eye and not with your photo. 00:20:28.425 --> 00:20:29.884 I don't want that. 00:20:29.884 --> 00:20:30.807 Don't put a photo. 00:20:31.269 --> 00:20:31.530 Yeah. 00:20:31.530 --> 00:20:35.869 So one of the other things is like okay, so this one I'm kind of about. 00:20:35.869 --> 00:20:41.010 But he says people don't put objectives and that's kind of an issue. 00:20:41.010 --> 00:20:51.400 So basically saying, without an objective, a recruiter or a hiring manager has to guess whether or not you want the job. 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:53.525 If someone's applying for a job, they want the fucking job, but anyway. 00:20:53.525 --> 00:21:07.621 But yeah, but I get what he's kind of saying and he's just basically saying, like an objective, clearly state what kind of role you're looking for in your next role, and just make it concise and easy to read in a single glance. 00:21:07.621 --> 00:21:16.705 So I, you know, I don't know how you feel about objectives I rarely read them and if I do, it is just like a really quick glance. 00:21:16.705 --> 00:21:18.069 I don't put a lot like. 00:21:18.069 --> 00:21:24.904 I didn't put a lot of thought into them when I was recruiting, but I don't know, that was the only one that I was like eh. 00:21:25.746 --> 00:21:42.790 Well, I highlighted that in green, as you see in the notes, because I agree with that, because that objective, if it's tailored to the job and specific, it'll make me stop and it'll make me go from skimming to reading with it. 00:21:42.790 --> 00:21:43.558 So I like that idea. 00:21:43.558 --> 00:21:47.750 But, as he says, you have to be specific about it. 00:21:47.750 --> 00:21:52.612 Seeking a senior roles engineer dah, dah, dah, dah dah and don't do the what does he call it? 00:21:52.612 --> 00:21:55.464 The good job things you know. 00:21:55.464 --> 00:22:00.413 He gives an example somewhere in here of a bad, a bad objective. 00:22:00.413 --> 00:22:02.827 But, yeah, just, you know, put it out there. 00:22:02.827 --> 00:22:04.314 I like the objective. 00:22:04.334 --> 00:22:13.383 But here's something else about me If you take the time and effort to send a cover letter in, I'm reading, I will read the cover letter. 00:22:13.383 --> 00:22:21.445 And because there's so many things that people are going to put in cover letters that they're not going to put on the resume hey, we're in a military town. 00:22:21.445 --> 00:22:28.796 Hey, I'll be relocating to the Virginia Beach area in June of 2025. 00:22:28.796 --> 00:22:42.595 If you put that in your cover letter this is why I see you're from San Diego, california If I see that San Diego, california and I have a physical position in Virginia Beach, unless you're stellar, you're probably going to go somewhere else. 00:22:42.615 --> 00:22:51.253 But if that cover letter says, hey, I'm relocating here or hey, I'm making a career transition or I'm reentering the workforce or something along those lines. 00:22:51.253 --> 00:22:55.951 Because, like I said, if someone takes the time to write a cover letter, I'm going to read it. 00:22:55.951 --> 00:23:02.685 Now that cover letter may not make you even get me to your resume if you have a shitty cover letter. 00:23:02.685 --> 00:23:11.433 But if it's a fill in the blank or blank, or even the worst is the wrong company names and things, and I'll forgive that but it's going to be hard. 00:23:11.433 --> 00:23:15.217 If everything else is good, I'll forgive that, but I do like the objective. 00:23:21.164 --> 00:23:23.551 That can turn me from a glancer to a reader. 00:23:23.551 --> 00:23:24.253 Yeah, no, I get it. 00:23:24.253 --> 00:23:24.740 I agree with you. 00:23:24.740 --> 00:23:33.532 The funny thing is is I just realized when I interviewed for the position at my current role, like three years ago, I actually put an objective in there. 00:23:33.532 --> 00:23:38.525 I just realized that, hey it worked, it worked. 00:23:38.525 --> 00:23:40.898 So you know what I take it back. 00:23:40.898 --> 00:23:41.863 It's not stupid. 00:23:42.736 --> 00:23:50.604 Oh, here's an example of a bad one Motivated self-starter looking for a positive environment where I can bring my technical skills and passion to a worthy project. 00:23:50.604 --> 00:23:53.785 A great coworker and mentor, adaptable, fast learner. 00:23:53.785 --> 00:23:58.354 I mean those platitudes, yeah, exactly, I don't want to see that. 00:23:58.354 --> 00:24:08.003 I want to see give me two sentences of what you're looking for and yeah, that's what I like about that. 00:24:08.003 --> 00:24:13.188 So, and then another thing, and I never thought about this I've been very fortunate. 00:24:13.188 --> 00:24:17.271 I have to do a resume in a very long time, but keep your resume under a thousand words. 00:24:17.271 --> 00:24:19.175 I like that. 00:24:19.175 --> 00:24:22.425 I'm trying to think how you know, is that one page? 00:24:22.425 --> 00:24:25.705 No, it's like how many words go on a page? 00:24:25.705 --> 00:24:26.488 I don't know. 00:24:26.488 --> 00:24:35.125 I used to know is that when in high school you had to do this, but he also did say don't use, don't cram it all in, and things like that. 00:24:36.387 --> 00:24:36.868 Yeah. 00:24:39.076 --> 00:24:43.928 So he says his resume is 700 words and covers a 30-year career. 00:24:43.928 --> 00:24:48.103 So, yeah, that's important. 00:24:48.384 --> 00:24:49.165 That sounds about right. 00:24:49.165 --> 00:24:55.567 Oh, and then this is one that I hope we would all know is optimizing for the applicant tracking system. 00:24:55.567 --> 00:25:10.384 I did like the little percentage in there that says over 80% of jobs go to someone with a networking connection to the role, and I was like whew, so that's a lot. 00:25:11.046 --> 00:25:15.559 Yeah, and I think that's overstated Mike from Corporate Pizza Party. 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:17.204 I would want to say it was him. 00:25:17.204 --> 00:25:19.544 I meant to look it up on his Instagram. 00:25:19.544 --> 00:25:23.119 He put a stat and actually cited his source, I believe, about. 00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:33.579 If it was him about, you know, not as many jobs are coming from networking as you think, and so you know. 00:25:33.579 --> 00:25:37.008 I think 80% is ridiculously high. 00:25:37.474 --> 00:25:38.493 That is very high. 00:25:39.298 --> 00:25:40.742 I do track at my company. 00:25:40.742 --> 00:25:43.122 I think it's very good. 00:25:43.122 --> 00:25:52.263 About 30% of our new hires are results of referrals and things like that, and we just hired someone who is a result of a network. 00:25:52.263 --> 00:26:04.817 He worked for a company that one of our suppliers, who supplied one of our suppliers or I guess, no, our supplier supplied his company as well. 00:26:04.817 --> 00:26:14.208 He became available and the supplier said, hey, you've got to contact my company where I'm working and get in with them, and so that type of networking worked. 00:26:14.208 --> 00:26:15.990 But it wasn't a direct connection. 00:26:15.990 --> 00:26:23.265 You know one of our current employees, it was our suppliers that know you need to work with this. 00:26:23.265 --> 00:26:29.224 So that made me feel good on a couple of counts when when I heard that story that our suppliers are even recommending us to people they know. 00:26:29.224 --> 00:26:34.117 But but cramming I've seen resumes before that. 00:26:34.117 --> 00:26:44.266 I think they're trying to fit every buzzword and keyword in there and you've all heard put in white font to your all these keywords don't do that that that's garbage. 00:26:44.767 --> 00:26:57.923 I think if you just have a well-written resume especially today with AI and stuff we don't use AI in our applicant screening or anything but you write a good resume, it's going to stand out. 00:26:57.923 --> 00:27:06.914 You don't have to try and find all the buzzwords and stuff them in there and make your resume 700 words of buzzwords to do that. 00:27:06.914 --> 00:27:09.280 So there's a balance that needs to be done. 00:27:09.280 --> 00:27:13.917 But I think a well-written resume is going to stand for itself. 00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:15.801 Yeah, and that's what he said. 00:27:15.801 --> 00:27:22.041 Like I think we're too focused on the applicant tracking piece and that, like I like how he said it. 00:27:22.061 --> 00:27:35.617 He he's like just write your resume for human eyes, because yeah in his and if you're worried about ai, as ai is getting better and better, it's going to be able to putting it in human eye. 00:27:35.617 --> 00:27:42.294 Making it read, readable for human eyes is going to help you it will let's see. 00:27:42.454 --> 00:27:46.884 Another mistake is listing education and certifications in the wrong place. 00:27:46.884 --> 00:27:52.464 So, yeah, so if you're a new graduate, you put your education at the top. 00:27:52.464 --> 00:27:58.026 If you have work experience, your education should be below work history. 00:27:58.026 --> 00:28:10.351 And then which is funny because like no one told me that weird rule so someone, I think, informed me a few, probably like seven or so years ago, eight years ago. 00:28:10.351 --> 00:28:21.303 They're like you really need to, like you're at your place in your career where you need to put your education at the bottom, and I was like what that's like a rule, because apparently that makes you look like a novice. 00:28:22.095 --> 00:28:24.055 Well, I see it a couple ways. 00:28:24.055 --> 00:28:26.137 And if you do your homework, you know who you're speaking to. 00:28:26.137 --> 00:28:31.278 Maybe in networking, like, okay, I went to East Carolina, I love East Carolina. 00:28:31.278 --> 00:28:33.423 It's not the most prestigious of schools. 00:28:33.423 --> 00:28:36.040 My wife went to a much more prestigious school than I did. 00:28:36.040 --> 00:28:44.041 I'm probably keeping that school at the top of my list because that's going to open more doors for me, even if you're not an alumni. 00:28:44.083 --> 00:28:47.749 You say, oh, you know, it catches the eye. 00:28:47.749 --> 00:28:56.766 Once again it's something that's going to make me stop if I see someone from you know this school versus UCU which, like I said, love it. 00:28:56.766 --> 00:28:59.150 I'm still a student and things like that. 00:28:59.150 --> 00:28:59.951 I love it. 00:28:59.951 --> 00:29:09.789 But there are prestigious schools and there are less prestigious schools and if you're coming from one of those, it doesn't have to be a networking alumni type thing. 00:29:09.789 --> 00:29:18.801 It's like, oh, you know, in the business world, you go to, let's just say, the Wharton School of Business, you go to the Darden at UVA. 00:29:20.535 --> 00:29:26.387 Nobody on earth, regardless of your sports affiliations, team affiliations, can argue those aren't some of the top. 00:29:26.387 --> 00:29:30.365 And you can go on and on, but those are the two that popped up on the top of my head first. 00:29:30.365 --> 00:29:35.684 But nobody can argue those are not the top, some of the top tier of business schools. 00:29:35.684 --> 00:29:42.267 If that's what you're going for in the country, and that's going to catch somebody's eye in many regards. 00:29:42.267 --> 00:29:45.259 But that also goes to customize your resume. 00:29:45.259 --> 00:29:47.865 Know what you're going for, who in many regards. 00:29:47.884 --> 00:29:50.470 So, but that also goes, customize your resume. 00:29:50.470 --> 00:29:50.990 You know. 00:29:50.990 --> 00:29:51.632 Know what you're going for. 00:29:51.632 --> 00:29:57.902 If this experience does well for you, you know, highlight, move it to the top of your bullet list, because if you got 15 bullets under a job, I'm not getting in that skim. 00:29:57.902 --> 00:30:04.895 I'm looking at one or two and if it's your 15th bullet, I don't have a clue what you just said Under there. 00:30:04.895 --> 00:30:07.636 So, and if it's your 15th bullet, I don't have a clue what you just said, true, under there. 00:30:07.636 --> 00:30:08.998 And then it talks about GPA. 00:30:08.998 --> 00:30:11.959 I remember coming out of college I put my N major GPA. 00:30:11.959 --> 00:30:13.759 I did not put my overall. 00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:14.319 GPA. 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:17.461 Because I failed theater and appreciation. 00:30:17.461 --> 00:30:19.342 Not once, but twice. 00:30:19.342 --> 00:30:21.884 I failed what we called library science. 00:30:21.884 --> 00:30:32.708 Ecu's library they've got a new one now, but in the 90s was so effed up you had to take a two-hour class on how to use the libraries. 00:30:32.708 --> 00:30:38.250 There wasn't internet back then, or the internet was in its baby stages, and I failed that class. 00:30:38.250 --> 00:30:41.112 I recently looked at my transcripts. 00:30:41.112 --> 00:30:41.913 I'm like, oh shit. 00:30:42.772 --> 00:30:43.053 How did. 00:30:43.153 --> 00:30:43.173 I. 00:30:43.173 --> 00:30:46.076 What were you learning there? 00:30:46.096 --> 00:30:59.157 Like dewey decimal system no, like okay now, if something was on floor three you go to when you get into the quote-unquote, the stacks, and you do not always want to go into the stacks of the shit that happened. 00:30:59.157 --> 00:31:04.728 The stacks is a whole another story, but I've seen things, that's after dark? 00:31:04.827 --> 00:31:15.828 Yeah, exactly, but if you were on floor three and you were in section 100, you would have to go, but you need to go to 200 in the day. 00:31:15.828 --> 00:31:19.385 You'd have to go back down to the ground floor and go back up to the third. 00:31:19.385 --> 00:31:30.185 The library was built in sections and very non-congruent and like, yeah, we'll put this here, we'll put there. 00:31:30.185 --> 00:31:31.409 But now they've got a. 00:31:31.409 --> 00:31:39.782 I mean, they got a like I don't know, 10 years ago some huge grant for a new library and it has some of the old library in it. 00:31:40.015 --> 00:31:46.980 Their library was so crappy they had to create a course on how to deal with the crappy library. 00:31:46.980 --> 00:31:48.001 That's funny. 00:31:48.663 --> 00:31:51.066 Yeah, yeah, but I failed that course. 00:31:51.066 --> 00:31:52.048 I failed. 00:31:52.048 --> 00:31:58.365 Okay Funny story I failed remedial math three times in a row. 00:31:58.365 --> 00:32:03.286 I decided I was going to do it over the summer, away from there. 00:32:03.286 --> 00:32:07.156 But the school made me take a placement exam. 00:32:07.156 --> 00:32:12.609 Okay, I took my May final exam in remedial math and failed. 00:32:12.609 --> 00:32:21.169 The morning of a certain day, whatever day it was, I drove home and went where I was going to take classes over the summer. 00:32:21.169 --> 00:32:23.082 They made me take the placement exam. 00:32:23.082 --> 00:32:27.137 And not only I got placed into calculus. 00:32:27.137 --> 00:32:31.510 After failing remedial math three times, I got placed in the calculus. 00:32:31.510 --> 00:32:33.375 My confidence level was shot. 00:32:33.375 --> 00:32:34.337 So I took pre-calc. 00:32:34.337 --> 00:32:38.747 I got an A in pre-calc and I'm like what the fuck? 00:32:38.747 --> 00:32:41.878 How do I fail remedial math? 00:32:41.878 --> 00:32:45.065 It was a non-credit class. 00:32:45.065 --> 00:32:48.678 It was worth three credits but didn't count to anything as it's remedial. 00:32:48.678 --> 00:32:56.760 It didn't go to your graduation requirements and so it was just a thorn in my side forever, that one class. 00:32:56.760 --> 00:33:03.719 And yeah, I failed a lot of classes and for two years I led my fraternity in gpa. 00:33:04.520 --> 00:33:13.807 So that's hilarious I can pay a lot of classes and lead my fraternity in gpa, but anyways, that's a whole, whole, nother story. 00:33:13.807 --> 00:33:16.157 But anyways, yeah, your your gpa. 00:33:16.157 --> 00:33:18.884 This one I found interesting. 00:33:18.884 --> 00:33:21.769 The next one, the hobby, excluding hobbies and interests. 00:33:21.769 --> 00:33:22.897 I that made me. 00:33:22.897 --> 00:33:25.926 This one actually made me think when I saw that. 00:33:25.926 --> 00:33:28.785 So what are your opinions on hobbies and interests? 00:33:30.978 --> 00:33:32.924 Okay, I have an anecdote with a point. 00:33:33.535 --> 00:33:45.067 So, when I was working in talent acquisition, there was an applicant who was going for a marketing role. 00:33:45.067 --> 00:33:51.779 Now, granted, it's a marketing role, it was so appropriate for her to do what I'm about to describe. 00:33:51.779 --> 00:33:58.317 But thinking back, I'm like I still remember this person's resume. 00:33:58.317 --> 00:34:00.939 I remember their name, I remember. 00:34:00.939 --> 00:34:02.740 Every time I'm like like there's something to it. 00:34:02.820 --> 00:34:14.369 So this individual completely branded her resume, like she treated it as if it was a personal brand, through, true and through and through. 00:34:14.369 --> 00:34:15.871 She branded it. 00:34:15.871 --> 00:34:30.498 She made a logo because she had a pug and she loved her pug. 00:34:30.498 --> 00:34:30.579 The. 00:34:30.579 --> 00:34:31.302 The her logo involved the pug. 00:34:31.322 --> 00:34:32.827 So she had, like her, everything on her resume as you usually would. 00:34:32.827 --> 00:34:40.802 And then she had like little thick ticks on the side of like hobbies and stuff like that and everything was color-coded. 00:34:40.802 --> 00:34:55.617 And her business card that she was to leave afterward she made into, like she took those candy dog bones and she put them in a candy wrapper and then she took the card. 00:34:55.617 --> 00:35:14.559 She had it specially printed so that when she folded it in half and stapled it and actually packaged it, it looked like it was the actual size of a business card but it looked like a packaged candy that you would buy in a store. 00:35:14.579 --> 00:35:20.096