1 00:00:02,023 --> 00:00:04,546 Speaker 1: Had you actually read the email, you would know that 2 00:00:04,567 --> 00:00:07,812 the podcast you are about to listen to could contain explicit 3 00:00:07,812 --> 00:00:09,814 language and offensive content. 4 00:00:09,814 --> 00:00:14,474 These HR experts' views are not representative of their past, 5 00:00:14,814 --> 00:00:16,480 present or future employers. 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,687 If you have ever heard my manager is unfair to me. 7 00:00:19,687 --> 00:00:24,722 I need you to reset my HR portal password, or Can I write 8 00:00:24,762 --> 00:00:26,548 up my employee for crying too much? 9 00:00:26,548 --> 00:00:28,864 Welcome to our little safe zone . 10 00:00:28,864 --> 00:00:31,170 Welcome to Jaded HR. 11 00:00:51,359 --> 00:00:52,664 Speaker 2: So, anyways, welcome to Jaded HR, the podcast by two 12 00:00:52,704 --> 00:00:54,551 HR professionals who want to help you survive the workday by 13 00:00:54,570 --> 00:00:55,334 saying everything you're thinking. 14 00:00:55,353 --> 00:00:58,064 Speaker 3: But say it out loud I'm Warren, I'm Cece, she's back 15 00:00:58,064 --> 00:01:02,587 , I'm back and I'm sick with something different. 16 00:01:02,587 --> 00:01:04,745 So you know, just keeping it spicy. 17 00:01:04,787 --> 00:01:05,909 Speaker 2: It's been a rough year. 18 00:01:05,909 --> 00:01:09,528 It's only April, come on. 19 00:01:10,159 --> 00:01:11,486 Speaker 3: It's only April. 20 00:01:11,486 --> 00:01:12,945 It's ridiculous. 21 00:01:12,945 --> 00:01:16,329 I don't know what happened to my immune system after I had a 22 00:01:16,370 --> 00:01:18,021 kid, but I think that has something to do with it, because 23 00:01:18,021 --> 00:01:19,748 I'm catching everything that's coming at me. 24 00:01:20,021 --> 00:01:21,787 Speaker 2: I would just wait until they get to kindergarten 25 00:01:21,846 --> 00:01:24,146 and stuff and they start bringing home all the school 26 00:01:24,186 --> 00:01:24,608 cuties. 27 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:26,826 I, I would just wait until they get to kindergarten and stuff, 28 00:01:26,846 --> 00:01:27,953 and they start bringing home all the school cooties. 29 00:01:27,953 --> 00:01:29,200 I think kindergarten year I don't think I'd been my first 30 00:01:29,219 --> 00:01:32,147 kid, I don't think I'd been sicker because they bring home 31 00:01:32,188 --> 00:01:36,441 all the cooties and new cooties you haven't been exposed to and 32 00:01:36,481 --> 00:01:41,170 yeah, it always seemed to be something I'm so excited. 33 00:01:41,170 --> 00:01:48,530 Yeah, so I mentioned I'm going to this Virginia State SHRM 34 00:01:48,569 --> 00:01:48,891 conference. 35 00:01:48,891 --> 00:01:49,692 We're in the middle of it. 36 00:01:49,692 --> 00:01:56,024 Today's a Tuesday, tomorrow the conference wraps up and okay, 37 00:01:56,123 --> 00:02:00,531 I'm going to be shitting on it a lot, but I have had some good 38 00:02:00,591 --> 00:02:01,534 experiences too. 39 00:02:02,359 --> 00:02:06,792 But yeah, and this is the first state conference I've been to, 40 00:02:07,561 --> 00:02:12,894 normally in in virginia they rotate the state conference 41 00:02:13,335 --> 00:02:17,163 among the five major metropolitan areas and so the 42 00:02:17,204 --> 00:02:19,930 hampton roads, virginia beach area gets it like every fifth 43 00:02:19,969 --> 00:02:20,151 year. 44 00:02:20,151 --> 00:02:23,751 And the last year, surprise, surprise was covid I'd would. 45 00:02:23,751 --> 00:02:26,602 I was registered and obviously couldn't go. 46 00:02:26,602 --> 00:02:28,344 They canceled it that one. 47 00:02:28,344 --> 00:02:30,028 So so here it is. 48 00:02:30,028 --> 00:02:33,424 They they're doing it again, but next year it looks like for 49 00:02:33,444 --> 00:02:35,334 the next three years they're going to be in virginia beach, 50 00:02:35,413 --> 00:02:40,044 but I, at this point I don't think I will be going to going 51 00:02:40,086 --> 00:02:40,605 to those. 52 00:02:40,605 --> 00:02:42,590 So it's, it's interesting. 53 00:02:42,610 --> 00:02:49,020 Uh, let's see here because it's been since I've been, I since 54 00:02:49,099 --> 00:02:49,221 it's. 55 00:02:49,221 --> 00:02:50,645 There wasn't one in covet. 56 00:02:50,645 --> 00:02:54,457 It's been at least 10 years, then, since I've been to a state 57 00:02:54,457 --> 00:02:55,461 conference and it's. 58 00:02:56,122 --> 00:02:58,989 It's a little different than I remember, but maybe that's, 59 00:02:59,550 --> 00:03:02,223 maybe that's just my old foggy memory or anything like that, 60 00:03:02,283 --> 00:03:09,203 but yeah, so, um, I've already titled this episode and you know 61 00:03:09,203 --> 00:03:11,967 , sherm, you should be ashamed that that's what. 62 00:03:11,967 --> 00:03:18,925 Uh, oh, no, that's, that's what this, this conference, is. 63 00:03:18,925 --> 00:03:20,388 I broke down. 64 00:03:20,388 --> 00:03:24,355 I go to, as all of know, I go down deep rabbit holes when I 65 00:03:24,537 --> 00:03:26,760 get my mind like hyper-focused on something. 66 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:32,310 So there are 64 breakout sessions in the three-day 67 00:03:32,349 --> 00:03:36,704 conference and I went down the list and I was classifying them 68 00:03:37,224 --> 00:03:40,191 by the speakers, what their bio says about them. 69 00:03:40,191 --> 00:03:44,448 I classified the topics, so here's some stats, anyways that 70 00:03:44,587 --> 00:03:45,530 I came together. 71 00:03:45,530 --> 00:03:50,207 So, of the speakers going through their bios 38 of the 72 00:03:50,467 --> 00:03:54,622 speakers and there's only 64 breakout sessions 38 identified 73 00:03:54,643 --> 00:03:57,849 themselves as a consultant or a coach, which brought me to 74 00:03:58,771 --> 00:03:59,652 perfect timing. 75 00:04:00,180 --> 00:04:04,850 Suzanne Lucas, on LinkedIn, posted this on April 4th. 76 00:04:04,850 --> 00:04:09,522 She says I have a controversial thought today Getting laid off 77 00:04:09,582 --> 00:04:13,144 does not qualify you to be a coach, and it is so perfect 78 00:04:13,525 --> 00:04:19,081 because every HR person who loses their job, they're a coach 79 00:04:19,081 --> 00:04:22,661 , they're a consultant, they are something else, and I thought 80 00:04:22,841 --> 00:04:26,492 that that fit very, very perfectly for this. 81 00:04:26,492 --> 00:04:31,288 But, anyways, I classified six people as an industry expert, 82 00:04:31,327 --> 00:04:34,819 somebody who they're in the weeds, they practice it, they 83 00:04:34,860 --> 00:04:35,723 know what they're talking about. 84 00:04:35,723 --> 00:04:36,505 Only six of them. 85 00:04:36,505 --> 00:04:37,470 I could do that. 86 00:04:37,470 --> 00:04:41,524 There were 10 attorneys speaking, three salespeople, 87 00:04:42,086 --> 00:04:46,632 only five people who are like practitioners not to the level 88 00:04:46,692 --> 00:04:51,043 of industry expert, but they're practitioners and then speakers 89 00:04:51,125 --> 00:04:52,048 were made up the rest. 90 00:04:52,048 --> 00:04:58,045 Then I further broke down the topics and there are 18 91 00:04:58,548 --> 00:05:03,447 functional topics and I know these numbers don't add up, it's 92 00:05:03,447 --> 00:05:04,189 47. 93 00:05:04,189 --> 00:05:08,528 I put whimsical topics, and whimsical is like the pie in the 94 00:05:08,528 --> 00:05:12,975 sky rainbows and unicorns hanging their kitty cat memes 95 00:05:13,036 --> 00:05:15,326 and posters and things like that . 96 00:05:15,326 --> 00:05:19,271 But we're talking three quarters of the. 97 00:05:19,271 --> 00:05:21,307 I can't do math, I'm an HR. 98 00:05:21,307 --> 00:05:27,045 Two thirds of them are there's no there there with them. 99 00:05:27,786 --> 00:05:31,851 And then I looked at the titles of the breakout sessions. 100 00:05:31,851 --> 00:05:34,855 The word resilience is used six times. 101 00:05:34,855 --> 00:05:42,680 Empowering was used twice. 102 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,062 Navigating was used 15 times, but they were trying to have a 103 00:05:44,083 --> 00:05:44,483 nautical theme. 104 00:05:44,483 --> 00:05:46,146 It's at the beach, they're trying to have a nautical theme. 105 00:05:46,146 --> 00:05:48,750 Four of them had the words play or games in them. 106 00:05:48,750 --> 00:05:51,774 Several had storytelling stories. 107 00:05:51,774 --> 00:05:55,869 Future was in five of them, but this is something I'd never 108 00:05:55,928 --> 00:05:57,291 seen at a conference before. 109 00:05:58,100 --> 00:05:59,543 In the schedule that tells you where the breakout session is 110 00:05:59,564 --> 00:06:02,130 and the time and all that, the schedule that tells you where 111 00:06:02,250 --> 00:06:04,357 the breakout session is in the time, and all that. 112 00:06:04,357 --> 00:06:08,482 Nine of them have books for sale listed in the in the front 113 00:06:08,502 --> 00:06:10,507 of the schedule and yeah. 114 00:06:10,507 --> 00:06:14,923 So, anyways, there was, in their bios, 14 people listed 115 00:06:14,944 --> 00:06:16,249 themselves as authors. 116 00:06:16,249 --> 00:06:21,810 But of those 14 authors, only one listed themselves, listed 117 00:06:21,829 --> 00:06:24,026 their publisher, which is something I you know. 118 00:06:24,026 --> 00:06:28,923 Listed themselves, listed their publisher, which is something I 119 00:06:28,923 --> 00:06:29,144 , you know. 120 00:06:29,144 --> 00:06:30,767 I'm really keen on, because self-published books are a dime 121 00:06:30,807 --> 00:06:33,774 less, they're free a dozen, they're not even a dime a dozen, 122 00:06:33,774 --> 00:06:34,500 they're free. 123 00:06:34,500 --> 00:06:37,728 And if there's no publisher willing to say and in the 124 00:06:37,788 --> 00:06:42,103 self-help arena that a lot of these people are operating in, 125 00:06:43,446 --> 00:06:47,519 there's so much bullshit, stupid books out there if you can't 126 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,228 get a publisher and you, you go the self-help boat route. 127 00:06:51,228 --> 00:06:52,870 Yeah, you're not, you're not. 128 00:06:53,632 --> 00:06:56,223 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not yeah , it's so easy to self-publish 129 00:06:56,264 --> 00:06:57,505 right now, like you could. 130 00:06:57,526 --> 00:07:01,961 Speaker 2: Just I'm thinking like I'm going to, when I'm 131 00:07:02,002 --> 00:07:05,226 finished with my, my grad school , and I actually have time to 132 00:07:05,947 --> 00:07:09,192 get my head above water and breathe again, I'll have some 133 00:07:09,213 --> 00:07:10,295 more letters behind my name. 134 00:07:10,295 --> 00:07:11,543 I'm going to find I've got. 135 00:07:11,543 --> 00:07:16,153 The only thing I put on my signature is term SCP and I 136 00:07:16,213 --> 00:07:18,778 don't put it on my LinkedIn anymore, but I use it my email 137 00:07:18,798 --> 00:07:19,060 signature. 138 00:07:19,060 --> 00:07:21,504 But I'm going to find all my little certificates and all my 139 00:07:21,545 --> 00:07:23,228 little letters behind my name. 140 00:07:23,228 --> 00:07:26,113 Get all my little bona fides looking really nice. 141 00:07:26,113 --> 00:07:30,571 And AI and I are going to self-publish like 100 books a 142 00:07:30,630 --> 00:07:33,026 year so I can be this incredible author. 143 00:07:33,026 --> 00:07:34,329 Nobody's read one Hell. 144 00:07:34,329 --> 00:07:35,012 I haven't even read them. 145 00:07:35,012 --> 00:07:36,564 Chat TPT wrote it. 146 00:07:36,564 --> 00:07:37,168 I haven't read it. 147 00:07:37,168 --> 00:07:39,305 One of my favorite lines Lou Holtz. 148 00:07:39,305 --> 00:07:47,427 He said once I saw him speak he's a great speaker, he's 149 00:07:47,447 --> 00:07:48,230 talking about a book he wrote. 150 00:07:48,230 --> 00:07:50,117 He goes and that makes me the only person in the world to have 151 00:07:50,117 --> 00:07:50,980 written more books I've read Awesome. 152 00:07:51,319 --> 00:07:51,781 I like that. 153 00:07:51,781 --> 00:07:54,247 But anyways, I'll follow his footsteps. 154 00:07:54,247 --> 00:07:58,545 But more things they put in their bios that they say they're 155 00:07:58,545 --> 00:08:00,129 a professional keynote speaker. 156 00:08:00,129 --> 00:08:03,242 Four of them have been on TED Talks and then coaches and 157 00:08:03,283 --> 00:08:03,884 things like that. 158 00:08:03,925 --> 00:08:07,641 Speaker 3: So it was just yeah, I've told some by the way, that 159 00:08:07,661 --> 00:08:09,869 was a very impressive analysis that you just said. 160 00:08:09,869 --> 00:08:10,329 Oh, I went down. 161 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,002 Speaker 2: ADD is great when you can hyper-focus, and I just 162 00:08:14,101 --> 00:08:18,591 decided this is my target today and that's what I'm going to do. 163 00:08:19,333 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 3: But yeah, when you can focus in on the right thing, 164 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:22,701 ADHD is a blessing. 165 00:08:22,822 --> 00:08:24,343 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, when it's the right thing, when you're 166 00:08:24,362 --> 00:08:26,564 supposed to be doing something else and you're deciding to 167 00:08:27,004 --> 00:08:31,528 Google these speakers, bios, things like that, not so much. 168 00:08:31,528 --> 00:08:35,551 But Sunday night, well, I'll be going back. 169 00:08:35,551 --> 00:08:38,932 So, whatever day, the schedule came out, the official final 170 00:08:38,972 --> 00:08:39,774 schedule came out. 171 00:08:39,774 --> 00:08:44,657 My assistant and I are both going and I deferred to her. 172 00:08:44,657 --> 00:08:47,721 I gave her the schedule, I hadn't even looked at it and I 173 00:08:47,740 --> 00:08:50,741 said you pick the sessions you want to do and I'll go and I'll 174 00:08:50,761 --> 00:08:54,163 do different breakout sessions from you so that we can cover 175 00:08:54,224 --> 00:08:58,044 more ground and meet later and discuss and have good 176 00:08:58,105 --> 00:08:59,946 conversations about it Smart. 177 00:08:59,966 --> 00:09:00,466 Speaker 3: Yeah, only if I could . 178 00:09:00,486 --> 00:09:00,846 Speaker 2: Smart? 179 00:09:00,846 --> 00:09:02,147 Yeah, only if I could. 180 00:09:02,147 --> 00:09:06,610 After she picked hers and I looked through, there was only 181 00:09:06,929 --> 00:09:11,892 one time that we could break up and do different things because 182 00:09:12,011 --> 00:09:15,433 I was not going to do any of this touchy-feely bullshit 183 00:09:16,433 --> 00:09:16,894 sessions. 184 00:09:16,894 --> 00:09:20,736 Actually, I have two holes in my session where I decided I'll 185 00:09:20,777 --> 00:09:22,817 check emails, I'll do it, because there was just nothing 186 00:09:23,217 --> 00:09:24,677 of absolute interest in there. 187 00:09:24,677 --> 00:09:34,506 So I have two holes in my my schedule. 188 00:09:34,506 --> 00:09:35,514 But I was like, and so the only and the reason we could break 189 00:09:35,405 --> 00:09:36,462 up, one of the touchy feely speakers had to cancel, and when 190 00:09:36,462 --> 00:09:38,373 the attorney stepped in and filled that slot and so she went 191 00:09:38,373 --> 00:09:41,158 to the one she was going to already go to and I went to the 192 00:09:41,678 --> 00:09:42,039 other one. 193 00:09:42,039 --> 00:09:46,572 So we got to separate, separate and you know what, this episode 194 00:09:46,572 --> 00:09:49,073 is going to get jaded. 195 00:09:49,375 --> 00:09:52,744 But those were some great professional conversations. 196 00:09:52,744 --> 00:09:57,466 Discussing she's fresh out of college, she went to this what 197 00:09:57,485 --> 00:09:58,168 did you think about that? 198 00:09:58,168 --> 00:09:58,809 What did they say? 199 00:09:58,809 --> 00:09:59,311 What did you think? 200 00:09:59,311 --> 00:10:02,875 Getting her thoughts and insight. 201 00:10:02,875 --> 00:10:06,168 I mean those are great conversations. 202 00:10:06,168 --> 00:10:09,383 Too bad, we could only have one of them, but so far. 203 00:10:09,383 --> 00:10:13,552 Well, tomorrow's the last day and there's nothing else there. 204 00:10:13,552 --> 00:10:18,183 But anyways, that was my plan, but it couldn't be done Because, 205 00:10:18,183 --> 00:10:21,566 like I said, I was not going to sit through and I did sit 206 00:10:21,605 --> 00:10:27,226 through the keynote speaker today and one of them 30 seconds 207 00:10:27,226 --> 00:10:29,032 in she just completely lost me. 208 00:10:29,032 --> 00:10:31,749 She's I don't know what this, this pose is. 209 00:10:31,749 --> 00:10:34,249 You see all over Instagram, or I don't know what you call it. 210 00:10:34,249 --> 00:10:36,947 You put your hands under your chin and yeah. 211 00:10:37,207 --> 00:10:39,645 Under your chin, yeah, and I don't know what that is. 212 00:10:39,645 --> 00:10:43,350 And she's like really sucking up to the crowd and I love HR. 213 00:10:43,350 --> 00:10:48,246 And like 30 seconds in, I'm grabbing my phone, I'm starting 214 00:10:48,267 --> 00:10:48,879 to place the dukes. 215 00:10:48,879 --> 00:10:50,886 I'm like, oh gosh, I'm in for it. 216 00:10:50,886 --> 00:10:55,785 And then she starts going on and this was like three minutes 217 00:10:55,846 --> 00:10:56,749 into the conversation. 218 00:10:58,140 --> 00:11:01,285 The hardest, the toughest, longest journey you'll ever have 219 00:11:01,285 --> 00:11:04,591 to take is the 18 inches between your brain and your 220 00:11:04,630 --> 00:11:04,971 heart. 221 00:11:04,971 --> 00:11:09,404 And I just I said jesus, fucking christ, and I said it 222 00:11:09,465 --> 00:11:13,573 probably about that loud and, yeah, I, I was just like, oh, I, 223 00:11:13,573 --> 00:11:15,990 I'm not even paying attention to what you're saying. 224 00:11:15,990 --> 00:11:19,261 I'm trying not to pay attention because I didn't want to do 225 00:11:19,322 --> 00:11:20,063 things like that. 226 00:11:20,063 --> 00:11:24,400 And the toughest journey is the 18 inches between your head and 227 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:24,880 your heart. 228 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:29,106 Okay, and that tough journey is going to help me in my HR 229 00:11:29,126 --> 00:11:29,427 career. 230 00:11:29,427 --> 00:11:30,729 How so. 231 00:11:30,729 --> 00:11:33,832 And that's where I'm going with the whole title of this of 232 00:11:33,852 --> 00:11:34,072 where. 233 00:11:34,072 --> 00:11:51,221 Why Sherm should be ashamed Because A, with two thirds of 234 00:11:51,241 --> 00:11:52,504 the speakers being nothing that you're going to be, you might 235 00:11:52,524 --> 00:11:52,905 leave feeling good. 236 00:11:52,905 --> 00:11:54,149 You know I've made my opinion before that I'm not the target 237 00:11:54,168 --> 00:11:55,552 for those type of things, but in the long run, you leave those 238 00:11:55,592 --> 00:11:55,932 type of sessions. 239 00:11:55,932 --> 00:11:57,557 You feel good, you feel energized, you feel positive. 240 00:11:57,557 --> 00:12:01,547 What are you going to actually take back to work and improve 241 00:12:01,626 --> 00:12:02,428 your work? 242 00:12:02,428 --> 00:12:04,974 From Nothing, yeah. 243 00:12:05,541 --> 00:12:06,303 Speaker 1: You feel good for that. 244 00:12:06,384 --> 00:12:09,129 Speaker 2: It's hard Until the next session when you go to an 245 00:12:09,168 --> 00:12:10,179 employment law section. 246 00:12:10,179 --> 00:12:13,370 And then they're saying, oh, the sky is falling and you know 247 00:12:13,412 --> 00:12:15,504 everything, the shit's all hitting the fan. 248 00:12:15,504 --> 00:12:17,605 And yeah, maybe that was their plan. 249 00:12:17,605 --> 00:12:19,567 Maybe I'm just not giving them enough credit. 250 00:12:19,567 --> 00:12:22,923 We have so much bad news and bullshit that we're going to 251 00:12:22,962 --> 00:12:23,364 have to cover. 252 00:12:23,364 --> 00:12:26,109 Let's give them some rainbows and unicorns and, you know, 253 00:12:26,149 --> 00:12:28,011 fluffy little ponies and things like that. 254 00:12:28,052 --> 00:12:30,964 Speaker 3: So to at least let them leave feeling okay. 255 00:12:30,964 --> 00:12:34,452 I'm sorry I cut you off it's hard. 256 00:12:35,475 --> 00:12:37,902 I was just gonna say it's so hard because I think a lot of 257 00:12:37,942 --> 00:12:42,269 these, a lot of these conferences, they know they have 258 00:12:42,269 --> 00:12:45,975 X amount of days to fill and some of those things are filler 259 00:12:46,961 --> 00:12:52,061 and I wish it was more substance , I wish it was more like I 260 00:12:52,100 --> 00:12:57,686 would rather sit through a two days, a two day conference and 261 00:12:57,725 --> 00:13:01,365 have nothing but substantial things, rather than having a 262 00:13:01,446 --> 00:13:05,524 three or four day conference and then having these experiences 263 00:13:05,885 --> 00:13:09,893 of I don't know, just these inspirational quotes on a wall, 264 00:13:10,274 --> 00:13:10,995 personified. 265 00:13:11,419 --> 00:13:11,841 Speaker 2: Exactly. 266 00:13:11,841 --> 00:13:14,908 And walking through the corridors I hear these people 267 00:13:14,928 --> 00:13:18,686 this was so great, this is so great, and I can understand it, 268 00:13:19,027 --> 00:13:20,932 but what are you going to do with it? 269 00:13:20,932 --> 00:13:24,003 And you're not going to get anything out. 270 00:13:24,003 --> 00:13:26,966 I've told any number of people, including you. 271 00:13:26,966 --> 00:13:33,432 If my COO read the agenda and the topic titles for what I'm 272 00:13:33,471 --> 00:13:35,634 going to be doing, what I've been doing the last three days, 273 00:13:36,134 --> 00:13:38,636 he would just say look, what the fuck are you doing, warren? 274 00:13:38,636 --> 00:13:40,405 He goes what are you wasting our money on? 275 00:13:40,405 --> 00:13:41,269 I can just picture him. 276 00:13:41,269 --> 00:13:42,485 What are you wasting our money on? 277 00:13:42,485 --> 00:13:45,008 Why do you need to know about IK? 278 00:13:45,008 --> 00:13:48,308 I don't have the actual titles in front of me right now of 279 00:13:48,328 --> 00:13:48,690 these things. 280 00:13:48,690 --> 00:13:51,707 But why, oh, gamify your workplace? 281 00:13:51,707 --> 00:13:55,629 Yeah, that's going to. 282 00:13:55,629 --> 00:13:55,830 Yeah. 283 00:13:56,879 --> 00:13:59,785 Speaker 3: Gamification is big in learning, but how is it in 284 00:13:59,806 --> 00:14:00,748 the workplace? 285 00:14:00,748 --> 00:14:03,673 I don't know, you're like I don't know. 286 00:14:03,692 --> 00:14:05,644 Speaker 2: I don't know, I didn't want to go to that 287 00:14:05,725 --> 00:14:09,330 session and then, whatever session was, I don't know. 288 00:14:09,330 --> 00:14:10,173 I've meant to look up. 289 00:14:10,173 --> 00:14:11,639 I'll have to go back to the schedule. 290 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:15,128 I was in a session with an employment attorney. 291 00:14:15,128 --> 00:14:17,753 Actually, my employment attorney was giving the 292 00:14:17,779 --> 00:14:20,606 presentation and in the conference room they're playing 293 00:14:20,626 --> 00:14:24,625 like family feud music and dings and people getting all loud and 294 00:14:24,625 --> 00:14:29,528 stuff like that and I'm like, okay, they're having more fun 295 00:14:29,649 --> 00:14:33,285 than I'm having, probably, but what are they going to walk out 296 00:14:33,326 --> 00:14:35,350 the door with, and things like that. 297 00:14:35,399 --> 00:14:41,225 So, anyways, the next rabbit hole I went down after being 298 00:14:41,267 --> 00:14:43,869 very disappointed in this offering. 299 00:14:43,869 --> 00:14:48,434 I just put into Google my search term was Virginia 300 00:14:48,595 --> 00:14:52,962 Professional Annual Conferences and I went down the list and I 301 00:14:53,384 --> 00:14:57,389 started just clicking on them, not in regard to what profession 302 00:14:57,389 --> 00:15:00,695 or anything, it was just search result 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and going 303 00:15:00,735 --> 00:15:00,855 down. 304 00:15:00,855 --> 00:15:02,967 Then I would look and see if they had an agenda. 305 00:15:02,967 --> 00:15:06,691 So it took me a couple of pages to go through this many. 306 00:15:06,691 --> 00:15:10,227 But so the first one, the Virginia Society of CPAs. 307 00:15:10,227 --> 00:15:13,403 Oh, here's the criteria If I was going to count them on this 308 00:15:13,464 --> 00:15:16,451 list, it had to be a professional organization, it 309 00:15:16,471 --> 00:15:19,951 had to be a multi-day conference , not just a one-day thing, and 310 00:15:20,251 --> 00:15:22,716 they had to have a detailed agenda that could read the 311 00:15:22,755 --> 00:15:26,703 topics and make a judgment call whether it was substantial or 312 00:15:26,783 --> 00:15:27,083 fluff. 313 00:15:27,083 --> 00:15:30,535 So first one Virginia Society of CPAs. 314 00:15:30,535 --> 00:15:36,114 Zero fluff topics, zero Virginia Commissioners of 315 00:15:36,173 --> 00:15:36,475 Revenue. 316 00:15:36,495 --> 00:15:36,956 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's accountants. 317 00:15:37,339 --> 00:15:39,912 Speaker 2: Yeah, virginia Commissioners of Revenue zero 318 00:15:39,932 --> 00:15:40,033 fluff. 319 00:15:40,033 --> 00:15:41,134 The Virginia Bar Association zero fluff. 320 00:15:41,134 --> 00:15:44,558 The Virginia Bar Association zero fluff. 321 00:15:44,558 --> 00:15:47,842 The Virginia Academy of Sciences no fluff. 322 00:15:47,842 --> 00:15:56,870 Virginia Society of Toxicology zero fluff. 323 00:15:56,870 --> 00:15:58,091 Association of School Programs of Public Health no fluff. 324 00:15:58,091 --> 00:15:59,354 The Virginia Funders Association I don't know what 325 00:15:59,374 --> 00:15:59,975 half these things are no fluff. 326 00:15:59,975 --> 00:16:01,217 Wildlife Society no fluff. 327 00:16:01,217 --> 00:16:02,639 College of Physicians no fluff. 328 00:16:02,639 --> 00:16:04,623 Rheumatoid Society no fluff. 329 00:16:04,623 --> 00:16:06,371 Association of Museums no fluff . 330 00:16:07,214 --> 00:16:10,822 Not until I got my 12th one that actually had an agenda did I 331 00:16:10,881 --> 00:16:14,878 start seeing fluffy things, and it was the Virginia Apartment 332 00:16:14,937 --> 00:16:16,240 Management Association. 333 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,994 That goes probably on Google results page three. 334 00:16:18,994 --> 00:16:22,672 Like I said, not everybody had their agenda still published, or 335 00:16:22,672 --> 00:16:23,113 they had their. 336 00:16:23,113 --> 00:16:27,231 2025 is saying coming soon on the agenda, so I couldn't see 337 00:16:27,251 --> 00:16:28,437 what 2024 was. 338 00:16:28,437 --> 00:16:33,201 But on day one they had a fluffy keynote and two fluffy 339 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:34,243 breakout sessions. 340 00:16:34,243 --> 00:16:38,813 Day two, three breakout sessions and day three their 341 00:16:38,854 --> 00:16:43,692 closing was I think it's I put a quote is energetic and funny 342 00:16:43,751 --> 00:16:46,078 keynote speaker, but I think the whole quote that I didn't write 343 00:16:46,078 --> 00:16:48,955 down was you'll be enthralled by our closing. 344 00:16:48,955 --> 00:16:50,639 They weren't even trying to hide that. 345 00:16:50,639 --> 00:16:51,662 It was fluff. 346 00:16:52,350 --> 00:16:54,072 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting. 347 00:16:54,072 --> 00:16:57,515 So, like as you're going through this, all I'm thinking 348 00:16:57,535 --> 00:17:04,244 is that sometimes hr has this reputation of being the people 349 00:17:04,305 --> 00:17:08,737 people and we're there as emotional support, or we're just 350 00:17:08,737 --> 00:17:10,741 there for the business and like it's. 351 00:17:10,741 --> 00:17:11,490 It's two different. 352 00:17:11,490 --> 00:17:13,035 There's two different sides. 353 00:17:13,035 --> 00:17:16,172 People either think that we're like too people-y and too 354 00:17:16,231 --> 00:17:20,401 feeling-y, or people just think that we're out for the business 355 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,064 and you should never trust us. 356 00:17:22,064 --> 00:17:27,000 Those are the two sides of the coin and this stuff it's 357 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:28,282 discouraging to hear. 358 00:17:28,282 --> 00:17:33,900 It feels like we have the most fluff in our conferences when, 359 00:17:34,141 --> 00:17:39,154 if you think about it, the things that we do have tangible 360 00:17:39,234 --> 00:17:40,076 business results. 361 00:17:40,076 --> 00:17:47,512 However, it's not as obvious as accountants or lawyers or this 362 00:17:47,613 --> 00:17:49,457 or that, but the work that we do . 363 00:17:50,117 --> 00:17:52,971 I mean I could pull up the projects I've done in the past 364 00:17:53,011 --> 00:17:56,663 and I could pull up ROI and I could talk about how we impacted 365 00:17:56,663 --> 00:17:57,185 the business. 366 00:17:57,185 --> 00:18:00,738 It's serious work that we do, but then you go to a conference 367 00:18:00,959 --> 00:18:03,914 and you get discouraged with the fluffy feelings. 368 00:18:03,914 --> 00:18:05,598 It makes me a little sad. 369 00:18:06,339 --> 00:18:09,172 Speaker 2: It is sad because everybody HR needs a place at 370 00:18:09,192 --> 00:18:09,593 the table. 371 00:18:09,593 --> 00:18:12,760 Hr, you need your seat at the table and all this. 372 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,396 Well, this is exactly why if it's our own professional 373 00:18:16,478 --> 00:18:19,712 organization, the only one out there for us that says this is 374 00:18:19,772 --> 00:18:22,096 what we think is important for your professional organization, 375 00:18:22,116 --> 00:18:23,759 the only one out there for us that says this is what we think 376 00:18:23,779 --> 00:18:25,462 is important for your professional development, then 377 00:18:25,482 --> 00:18:28,028 no, it's an epic fail in terms of that. 378 00:18:28,028 --> 00:18:32,338 And yeah, if it's where they're in San Diego this year for the 379 00:18:32,420 --> 00:18:35,356 National SHRM Conference, they've only hyped it up a 380 00:18:35,577 --> 00:18:38,388 couple dozen times over to conference, which I will not be 381 00:18:38,429 --> 00:18:40,696 going to the National SHRM conference. 382 00:18:40,696 --> 00:18:43,895 But when you have 300 exhibitors and things like that 383 00:18:44,016 --> 00:18:47,893 and multi-day, I'm sure I could find all the substantive things 384 00:18:48,153 --> 00:18:52,103 I want, but in a three-day state conference, yeah, it's just. 385 00:18:52,103 --> 00:18:58,236 This is exactly what is wrong with HR right now. 386 00:18:58,236 --> 00:19:00,821 If you want to, you can come up with some. 387 00:19:01,241 --> 00:19:03,854 Like I said, there were about 10 breakout sessions with lawyers 388 00:19:04,295 --> 00:19:09,191 and I'm doing every single one of them overall and it's just 389 00:19:09,230 --> 00:19:14,066 such a shame is I, beside all the jadedness, I'm passionate 390 00:19:14,125 --> 00:19:14,768 about my career. 391 00:19:14,768 --> 00:19:18,013 I'm passionate about my profession, I love what I do, 392 00:19:18,433 --> 00:19:23,461 but to see that the local chapter or the state chapter or 393 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,345 whomever it is, thinks that this is what's going to be important 394 00:19:26,345 --> 00:19:26,605 to us? 395 00:19:26,605 --> 00:19:27,971 Yeah, it's. 396 00:19:27,971 --> 00:19:32,540 And on top of all that, the fact that you had to pay and 397 00:19:32,601 --> 00:19:33,864 register as it sold out. 398 00:19:33,864 --> 00:19:36,719 They only allowed like 650, I don't remember the number. 399 00:19:36,719 --> 00:19:39,173 It's a really low number of people this year, but it's 400 00:19:39,193 --> 00:19:40,936 really not any space in the place. 401 00:19:40,936 --> 00:19:43,642 They've gone and I'm thinking it's been 10 years since I've 402 00:19:43,662 --> 00:19:45,853 been to one, but in the past I was thinking there was like a 403 00:19:45,913 --> 00:19:47,999 thousand people or more in them. 404 00:19:47,999 --> 00:19:51,817 But but yeah, there was, there's just there's no there 405 00:19:51,877 --> 00:19:54,906 there and I'm I'm just really highly disappointed. 406 00:19:54,906 --> 00:19:58,537 They, they need to have some more substantive topics and get 407 00:19:58,678 --> 00:19:59,961 us out of that mind. 408 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,172 Space of this is what HR is important Because, like I said, 409 00:20:04,573 --> 00:20:07,981 you take a functional person, you take your CEO, your COO, and 410 00:20:07,981 --> 00:20:09,114 you show them this agenda. 411 00:20:09,114 --> 00:20:10,337 They're going to laugh at you. 412 00:20:10,337 --> 00:20:14,746 You go to your CFO and they go to one of these society of CPAs 413 00:20:14,766 --> 00:20:17,035 where they have a four-day conference and it's like all 414 00:20:17,336 --> 00:20:21,655 hard-hitting stuff and here we are, we're going to learn the 415 00:20:21,715 --> 00:20:24,142 second verse, the kumbaya, that nobody knows, or something like 416 00:20:24,182 --> 00:20:24,301 that. 417 00:20:24,301 --> 00:20:29,018 I have no freaking clue, but this is what is absolutely wrong 418 00:20:29,018 --> 00:20:33,118 with HR right now, and I know some of the people on the local 419 00:20:33,159 --> 00:20:37,638 board and I haven't talked to them about this, but I think 420 00:20:37,679 --> 00:20:40,439 it's just so disappointing and I don't know how much control 421 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:41,830 they had over this. 422 00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:45,301 My other thing, where I was going before I diverted myself 423 00:20:45,342 --> 00:20:49,012 again is you had to pay before you know what the and register 424 00:20:49,032 --> 00:20:51,077 before you knew what the topics were. 425 00:20:51,077 --> 00:20:55,673 And if I'd known, if I'd seen the agenda, I would have said, 426 00:20:55,692 --> 00:21:01,001 oh, I'll pass, I'd rather go to work and do things, but some of 427 00:21:01,041 --> 00:21:04,172 these ones that I listed, they're future conferences. 428 00:21:04,211 --> 00:21:08,741 Now, one thing I didn't do which I wanted to do I just ran out 429 00:21:08,761 --> 00:21:12,454 of time and motivation was I wanted to go and look at other 430 00:21:12,734 --> 00:21:15,961 state SHRM councils and see if they have. 431 00:21:15,961 --> 00:21:18,932 I know there's going to be a fluff, but if it's going to be, 432 00:21:18,972 --> 00:21:23,898 two thirds of it is fluff, or if it's it's, they have more 433 00:21:23,939 --> 00:21:25,421 substantial stuff. 434 00:21:25,421 --> 00:21:28,965 Because I I don't want to just the one deal with it. 435 00:21:28,965 --> 00:21:32,835 I want to, I want to go, I want to learn, I want to improve 436 00:21:32,875 --> 00:21:37,083 myself and I want to get back to work and say, hey, I think we 437 00:21:37,123 --> 00:21:38,815 can do this, I think this is a good idea. 438 00:21:38,815 --> 00:21:42,957 That's why I want to go when I get back to work Thursday. 439 00:21:42,957 --> 00:21:44,179 That's what I want to be doing. 440 00:21:44,179 --> 00:21:46,884 And what'd you do? 441 00:21:49,770 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 3: I learned about the hardest journey that we will 442 00:21:52,219 --> 00:21:52,700 ever take. 443 00:21:55,893 --> 00:21:59,317 Speaker 2: Yeah, I go back to telling that to my COO. 444 00:21:59,317 --> 00:22:02,122 Yeah, the hardest journey I'm going to take is the 18 inches 445 00:22:02,182 --> 00:22:03,865 between my mind and my heart. 446 00:22:03,865 --> 00:22:09,077 Yeah, I think my bags would be packed and thrown out me as I'm 447 00:22:09,397 --> 00:22:10,559 getting booted out the door. 448 00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:12,102 Yeah, it's hard. 449 00:22:14,009 --> 00:22:16,175 Speaker 3: And I will say, because I used to be on a board 450 00:22:16,395 --> 00:22:21,875 where we did plan an annual conference and it was difficult, 451 00:22:21,875 --> 00:22:27,076 not difficult but you have a call to action or a call out for 452 00:22:27,076 --> 00:22:29,541 individuals who would like to be a presenter, and there's a 453 00:22:29,582 --> 00:22:32,454 whole moment like a picking process and a vetting process, 454 00:22:33,817 --> 00:22:40,054 but at the end of the day, like if we have x amount of sessions 455 00:22:40,134 --> 00:22:45,750 to fill and we're a couple short , we'll take someone from the 456 00:22:45,769 --> 00:22:47,875 bottom of a pile to put them in there to fill that up. 457 00:22:47,875 --> 00:22:51,633 And I hate to say it like that but that's kind of like how it 458 00:22:51,692 --> 00:22:52,074 was. 459 00:22:52,275 --> 00:22:55,442 So yeah, like you just have the sessions and the time slots to 460 00:22:55,509 --> 00:22:56,531 fill, you just have to fill them . 461 00:22:56,932 --> 00:23:00,779 Speaker 2: And I was giving us a little bit of thought what 462 00:23:00,819 --> 00:23:06,616 would I, what other topics would I want to see addressed that 463 00:23:06,636 --> 00:23:07,358 substantively? 464 00:23:07,358 --> 00:23:09,451 But that's the thing about when these conferences too. 465 00:23:09,451 --> 00:23:11,797 You go to some of these conferences, you don't know, hey 466 00:23:11,797 --> 00:23:15,613 , that that topic I didn't know was going to hit me and be as 467 00:23:16,193 --> 00:23:20,702 important to me, and as it ends up being, until you go there and 468 00:23:20,702 --> 00:23:23,776 you say, oh, wow, this is, this is something that's, that's 469 00:23:23,816 --> 00:23:27,907 good, so but yeah, it's been going going well. 470 00:23:27,907 --> 00:23:30,635 I don't know if I hit this on on the speech. 471 00:23:30,635 --> 00:23:34,287 So the keynote, the closing keynote speaker for Monday, was 472 00:23:34,949 --> 00:23:39,560 Johnny C Taylor, himself JCT, and I tell you I've I've been 473 00:23:39,621 --> 00:23:40,682 very hard on the man. 474 00:23:40,682 --> 00:23:43,068 You can listen to any dozens of episodes. 475 00:23:43,068 --> 00:23:44,191 I've been very hard on him. 476 00:23:44,191 --> 00:23:52,083 He is a phenomenal speaker and I was expecting him to be more 477 00:23:52,183 --> 00:23:53,510 fluff and pie in the sky. 478 00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:54,332 He was not. 479 00:23:54,332 --> 00:23:59,301 He was actually kind of direct in all politics or whatever side 480 00:23:59,301 --> 00:24:03,231 you think of JCT, because I know he carries a lot of baggage 481 00:24:03,231 --> 00:24:06,086 because he was in Trump's or he advised Trump or something like 482 00:24:06,086 --> 00:24:08,373 that in his first administration and he was the 483 00:24:08,473 --> 00:24:08,733 lead. 484 00:24:08,733 --> 00:24:11,219 He was the head of the Department of Labor. 485 00:24:11,219 --> 00:24:14,375 This time was supposed to be the person. 486 00:24:14,375 --> 00:24:17,828 Everything I heard until this other person from Oregon was 487 00:24:17,868 --> 00:24:19,354 going to be him came up. 488 00:24:19,354 --> 00:24:22,673 So you know, you know what, which side of the political 489 00:24:22,753 --> 00:24:27,028 aisle he lines with, which is not what I think the general HR 490 00:24:27,067 --> 00:24:28,411 population lines up with. 491 00:24:28,411 --> 00:24:30,275 But he was. 492 00:24:30,275 --> 00:24:34,201 He talked about the future of SHRM. 493 00:24:34,201 --> 00:24:35,324 He talked about the future work . 494 00:24:35,324 --> 00:24:38,219 He talked about the future of AI and HR. 495 00:24:38,219 --> 00:24:44,898 I mean, it was a substantial topic and he was engaging and 496 00:24:44,979 --> 00:24:50,608 lively and I will actually say that I would give him a 10 out 497 00:24:50,628 --> 00:24:53,036 of 10 on both presentation and content. 498 00:24:53,036 --> 00:24:54,200 That's awesome. 499 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,058 I was not expecting it to like it that much. 500 00:24:58,058 --> 00:25:04,874 I went in, I went in jaded and he converted me and one of the 501 00:25:04,894 --> 00:25:09,185 things he said he said I will misquote him here, so don't say 502 00:25:09,446 --> 00:25:12,796 this is exactly it but his people, his handlers, whoever 503 00:25:12,855 --> 00:25:16,090 told him not to talk about the, the diversity, removing the 504 00:25:16,131 --> 00:25:18,836 diversity from DEI, and he talked about it in. 505 00:25:18,836 --> 00:25:24,164 Now his spiel on it is whatever the court decision was, that 506 00:25:24,204 --> 00:25:26,921 was really impact, negatively impacting diversity. 507 00:25:26,921 --> 00:25:29,612 They saw the writing on the wall and they're getting ahead 508 00:25:29,632 --> 00:25:30,032 of it now. 509 00:25:30,594 --> 00:25:34,064 I've also said is is you know, did he get lucky? 510 00:25:34,064 --> 00:25:36,530 Did Sherm and Johnny C Taylor get lucky. 511 00:25:36,530 --> 00:25:39,778 And now, yep, because that was September, before the election 512 00:25:39,798 --> 00:25:42,633 or anything, and nobody knew the direction things were going to 513 00:25:42,673 --> 00:25:43,234 change in. 514 00:25:43,234 --> 00:25:46,711 And is he now just getting in front of the band with his baton 515 00:25:46,711 --> 00:25:46,711 ? 516 00:25:46,711 --> 00:25:47,512 Look what we said. 517 00:25:47,512 --> 00:25:48,634 Was he lucky? 518 00:25:48,634 --> 00:25:49,537 Was he right? 519 00:25:49,537 --> 00:25:50,318 Was he predicted? 520 00:25:50,318 --> 00:25:50,358 I? 521 00:25:50,358 --> 00:25:54,434 I don't know how it, how it came about, but the fact is 522 00:25:55,698 --> 00:25:56,839 that's where we are right now. 523 00:25:56,839 --> 00:25:58,990 Regardless, the fact is that's where we are. 524 00:25:58,990 --> 00:26:03,435 How you feel about it's a whole different ballgame, but I I 525 00:26:03,476 --> 00:26:07,980 went in very cynical and jaded and I'm not gonna say I'm a a 526 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:13,451 thousand percent jct fan now, but I have a new level of 527 00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:16,998 respect for him that I did not have before Monday evening. 528 00:26:17,987 --> 00:26:19,553 Speaker 3: So I know that's going to be a very unpopular 529 00:26:19,573 --> 00:26:19,874 opinion. 530 00:26:19,874 --> 00:26:24,371 No, what I was thinking was maybe he no longer has that 531 00:26:25,112 --> 00:26:29,019 carrot dangling in front of him for a shiny political position. 532 00:26:29,285 --> 00:26:34,718 So now he's being a little more direct and a little more himself 533 00:26:34,718 --> 00:26:38,286 , like he has nothing on the line yeah I will say that I did 534 00:26:38,385 --> 00:26:40,892 hear him speak at a sherm convention and he is very 535 00:26:40,932 --> 00:26:45,108 charismatic and he's a great public speaker and honestly, you 536 00:26:45,108 --> 00:26:47,953 do leave feeling good about the work you do. 537 00:26:47,953 --> 00:26:52,188 And it's not fluff, it's like you said, it's very direct and 538 00:26:52,208 --> 00:26:52,868 very state. 539 00:26:52,868 --> 00:26:56,096 It's almost like state of the union of hr exactly perfect 540 00:26:56,405 --> 00:26:59,798 analogy, but see, that's what I want yes what if I'm going to a 541 00:26:59,857 --> 00:27:00,359 conference? 542 00:27:00,539 --> 00:27:03,169 I want a state of the union of the industry, a state of the 543 00:27:03,209 --> 00:27:03,609 industry. 544 00:27:03,609 --> 00:27:05,955 I want best practices. 545 00:27:05,955 --> 00:27:11,088 I want to see how other companies, like best in class 546 00:27:11,148 --> 00:27:15,259 companies are doing things and what I can learn from them. 547 00:27:15,259 --> 00:27:17,083 I'm okay on the other stuff. 548 00:27:17,083 --> 00:27:19,588 I'm okay with the fluffy feely stuff. 549 00:27:20,309 --> 00:27:23,557 Speaker 2: And it's not that I want zero fluff, like some of 550 00:27:23,596 --> 00:27:27,611 these other ones, but two thirds of it being wide categorized as 551 00:27:27,611 --> 00:27:34,188 fluff is a bit too much and because, like I said, some of 552 00:27:34,228 --> 00:27:35,250 it's been quite depressing. 553 00:27:35,250 --> 00:27:38,748 When you're doing an employment law seminar one, you're doing 554 00:27:38,887 --> 00:27:42,916 like I said I've done I don't know how many law ones have been 555 00:27:42,916 --> 00:27:46,855 done thus far and it's a little scary, it's a little depressing 556 00:27:46,855 --> 00:27:47,748 and maybe you want to. 557 00:27:47,748 --> 00:27:49,314 Okay, I've had enough of this. 558 00:27:49,314 --> 00:27:54,507 Let's talk about gamifying your workplace or whatever One of 559 00:27:54,547 --> 00:27:57,596 these BSE topics they had out there were. 560 00:27:57,596 --> 00:28:02,465 And, yeah, I can see me going to my CEO and COO and say, hey, 561 00:28:02,486 --> 00:28:03,712 let's gamify our place. 562 00:28:03,712 --> 00:28:06,792 Yeah, let's gamify your resume and see how. 563 00:28:08,708 --> 00:28:10,906 Speaker 3: Make it into a fun puzzle piece so people can put 564 00:28:10,946 --> 00:28:12,511 it together when you mail it to them. 565 00:28:13,595 --> 00:28:17,795 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, but anyways , that's my take on it. 566 00:28:17,795 --> 00:28:19,145 I'm having a good time. 567 00:28:19,145 --> 00:28:23,118 I just wish I could have done more substantial work, get more. 568 00:28:23,118 --> 00:28:23,159 I. 569 00:28:23,159 --> 00:28:25,750 I wanted my assistant this is our first, you know. 570 00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:26,976 She just graduated from college . 571 00:28:26,976 --> 00:28:29,185 She I wanted her to get a little more experience. 572 00:28:29,185 --> 00:28:31,412 She's getting a good experience out of it, but I wanted her to 573 00:28:31,913 --> 00:28:33,766 to expose, and I'm I'm. 574 00:28:33,766 --> 00:28:35,169 I even told her. 575 00:28:35,169 --> 00:28:38,477 Look, I said I feel I feel bad because I think I'm corrupting 576 00:28:38,517 --> 00:28:40,352 you with my mindset. 577 00:28:40,352 --> 00:28:43,374 And then she goes well, I'm thinking a lot of these things, 578 00:28:43,424 --> 00:28:44,509 I'm just not always saying them. 579 00:28:44,509 --> 00:28:50,946 I'm like okay, well, because I do feel bad, I don't want to 580 00:28:51,307 --> 00:28:53,776 create another mini me or something like that. 581 00:28:53,776 --> 00:28:56,913 I actually respect her so much. 582 00:28:56,913 --> 00:29:00,634 I don't want her to feel that she has to agree with me or say 583 00:29:00,734 --> 00:29:02,441 that I'm right or anything like that. 584 00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:07,292 Speaker 3: So yeah, I will say I do love I mean I'm I've said 585 00:29:07,313 --> 00:29:10,125 before I love a conference, even with the fluffy stuff and 586 00:29:10,165 --> 00:29:13,553 everything, because I love it energizes me to be around people 587 00:29:13,553 --> 00:29:14,855 in the same industry. 588 00:29:14,855 --> 00:29:18,463 I love to network, I love to meet people who are doing 589 00:29:18,564 --> 00:29:22,635 similar things to me because I feel like that ups my game. 590 00:29:23,305 --> 00:29:28,088 Speaker 2: You're in a very specialized area so there's not 591 00:29:28,991 --> 00:29:33,839 you know other than you, maybe two other people that that is 592 00:29:33,859 --> 00:29:35,865 their full-time position, maybe. 593 00:29:35,865 --> 00:29:38,269 Yeah, I know that, do that. 594 00:29:38,269 --> 00:29:42,778 You know it's not like recruiting or generalist role or 595 00:29:42,778 --> 00:29:43,338 anything like that. 596 00:29:43,338 --> 00:29:48,949 You're doing very specialized work and if I were much more 597 00:29:49,009 --> 00:29:54,455 specialized I'd be very much hunting down my other cohorts 598 00:29:54,516 --> 00:29:57,779 because I know I'm a generalist overall. 599 00:29:57,779 --> 00:30:00,589 I know people I can call and contact if I have a question and 600 00:30:00,589 --> 00:30:03,356 bounce ideas off of or vent to or whatever. 601 00:30:03,356 --> 00:30:06,690 If I were in your boat I wouldn't. 602 00:30:06,690 --> 00:30:09,625 I mean, I'm sure you have more networking, a broader network in 603 00:30:09,625 --> 00:30:14,813 that arena than I do, but wow, that must be own island a lot of 604 00:30:14,813 --> 00:30:15,173 times. 605 00:30:16,134 --> 00:30:16,776 Speaker 3: A lot of times. 606 00:30:16,776 --> 00:30:19,660 Yeah, and that's a lot of places. 607 00:30:19,660 --> 00:30:20,461 This is new. 608 00:30:20,461 --> 00:30:25,059 Oh yeah, I started a new job. 609 00:30:25,059 --> 00:30:29,626 Like a lot of places I worked at, I was kind of a team of one, 610 00:30:29,626 --> 00:30:32,651 or maybe one or two, and it was always difficult to try to keep 611 00:30:32,651 --> 00:30:37,576 ahead of what's going on and trying to see how the best 612 00:30:37,616 --> 00:30:42,960 places are doing things, and that's why I've always had to go 613 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,756 to conferences and network and go outside of my office, so to 614 00:30:47,776 --> 00:30:47,997 speak. 615 00:30:47,997 --> 00:30:53,008 Now, starting a new job, I'm on a team of us, so this is 616 00:30:53,067 --> 00:30:53,570 exciting. 617 00:30:53,570 --> 00:30:57,508 This is a whole new game and I'm very excited. 618 00:30:57,508 --> 00:30:59,915 Good, but yeah. 619 00:31:01,165 --> 00:31:02,171 Speaker 2: You've started a new job. 620 00:31:02,171 --> 00:31:04,031 Feathers recently started a new job. 621 00:31:04,031 --> 00:31:07,755 Patrick still where he was when we worked together, and I'm not 622 00:31:07,755 --> 00:31:08,396 going anywhere. 623 00:31:08,396 --> 00:31:11,213 I'm going to become a lifer where I'm at. 624 00:31:11,213 --> 00:31:15,785 If the decision were mine, I'd be a lifer, but the decision's 625 00:31:15,704 --> 00:31:15,904 not always going to. 626 00:31:15,904 --> 00:31:16,204 I hope If the decision were mine, I'd be a lifer, but the 627 00:31:16,125 --> 00:31:16,885 decision's not always going to. 628 00:31:16,885 --> 00:31:19,251 I know that's not my decision all the time. 629 00:31:19,251 --> 00:31:23,373 Nice, do you want to talk about your new job? 630 00:31:23,373 --> 00:31:28,632 You've told me how it came up or anything. 631 00:31:28,632 --> 00:31:29,996 Anything you want to and we can edit. 632 00:31:30,016 --> 00:31:32,768 Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is the I'm going to say, this is the 633 00:31:32,808 --> 00:31:33,712 power of networking. 634 00:31:33,712 --> 00:31:38,892 I had connected with the hiring manager about five years ago 635 00:31:39,212 --> 00:31:42,944 because I was interviewing for a role under her at a different 636 00:31:43,025 --> 00:31:47,413 company and I was one of the final two and I just got edged 637 00:31:47,555 --> 00:31:52,108 out and I didn't get the role and she basically called me and 638 00:31:52,190 --> 00:31:56,998 she said usually you get some kind of just email or something. 639 00:31:56,998 --> 00:31:59,690 But she had called me and she said it was a very hard decision 640 00:31:59,690 --> 00:32:02,025 and I do want to keep in touch because I feel like one day 641 00:32:02,045 --> 00:32:03,188 we're meant to work with each other. 642 00:32:03,188 --> 00:32:07,246 And I was like, oh, and I thought that was fantastic and 643 00:32:07,326 --> 00:32:07,846 sure enough. 644 00:32:07,846 --> 00:32:11,556 Like, over the course of five years, different opportunities 645 00:32:11,596 --> 00:32:14,009 kind of popped up, but they were never the right one. 646 00:32:14,009 --> 00:32:20,132 And then finally this one popped up and I said I was 647 00:32:20,251 --> 00:32:20,633 leaving. 648 00:32:20,692 --> 00:32:23,858 So I had a really good conversation with my old manager 649 00:32:23,858 --> 00:32:27,272 , the, from the company I was leaving and I was telling him 650 00:32:27,313 --> 00:32:28,155 how this time it's the. 651 00:32:28,155 --> 00:32:29,628 This is one of the hardest times. 652 00:32:29,628 --> 00:32:33,587 Only two times in my life leaving a company Did I say oh, 653 00:32:33,848 --> 00:32:37,396 like this is a hard leave because I love the people I work 654 00:32:37,396 --> 00:32:41,334 with, I love what I'm doing, I love all that, but this it just, 655 00:32:41,334 --> 00:32:42,537 it's just hard to leave. 656 00:32:42,537 --> 00:32:46,833 And again, twice in my life and my last company being one of 657 00:32:46,853 --> 00:32:52,431 them and he said something that was kind of it resonated with me 658 00:32:52,431 --> 00:32:55,434 in a way, because he said it's different, it's a different 659 00:32:55,516 --> 00:32:59,622 feeling when you're running away from something than when you're 660 00:32:59,622 --> 00:33:00,804 running towards something. 661 00:33:01,084 --> 00:33:04,034 That's cool, I was like, oh, like that is. 662 00:33:04,034 --> 00:33:07,635 And he just basically said if you can manage to run towards 663 00:33:07,696 --> 00:33:10,987 something every time, and every time you leave, towards 664 00:33:11,007 --> 00:33:14,537 something to elevate yourself or for a better position, you're 665 00:33:15,027 --> 00:33:18,891 going to have it in your heart like leaving your past company 666 00:33:18,951 --> 00:33:21,376 to be like, oh, I'm gonna miss them, but the time is right, 667 00:33:21,865 --> 00:33:25,615 versus times where I've left companies running away from them 668 00:33:25,615 --> 00:33:29,471 with my middle fingers in the air, being like f you guys, yeah 669 00:33:29,471 --> 00:33:33,143 , screw you, screw you, you're cool, but I like that. 670 00:33:33,143 --> 00:33:34,590 I was like, yeah, so this is the first like. 671 00:33:34,590 --> 00:33:38,730 I feel like I'm really like running towards something bigger 672 00:33:38,730 --> 00:33:39,972 , something better. 673 00:33:39,972 --> 00:33:46,892 And the other thing I wanted to say was sorry, I am in a remote 674 00:33:46,892 --> 00:33:50,440 position again and I love being 100% remote. 675 00:33:51,701 --> 00:33:55,173 And the one thing about remote roles is the onboarding is 676 00:33:55,212 --> 00:33:58,175 sometimes tricky, like it's hit or miss, because your first day 677 00:33:58,297 --> 00:33:59,805 you're at your home, you're in your office. 678 00:33:59,805 --> 00:34:02,791 It's not like your first day in an office where you're like 679 00:34:02,992 --> 00:34:06,288 meeting people and this kind of stuff, and it's a different 680 00:34:06,348 --> 00:34:06,710 energy. 681 00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:10,532 And this is the first time where I started a remote role 682 00:34:10,693 --> 00:34:14,666 and the onboarding is like perfection, perfection. 683 00:34:14,666 --> 00:34:22,346 I got like this PowerPoint, like a deck that basically had 684 00:34:22,365 --> 00:34:25,753 like 20 some slides saying exactly what my role was going 685 00:34:25,773 --> 00:34:31,010 to be, exactly the org structure , exactly like what we do as a 686 00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:34,157 company, and then it went down to like okay, here's your first 687 00:34:34,197 --> 00:34:34,945 two week plan. 688 00:34:34,945 --> 00:34:38,670 Here's your 30 day plan, here's your 60 day, 90 day Like. 689 00:34:38,811 --> 00:34:46,826 It was so in depth that I feel like, so well prepared and, 690 00:34:46,865 --> 00:34:49,853 additionally, everyone at the company, just the culture of the 691 00:34:49,853 --> 00:34:51,458 company, is very welcoming. 692 00:34:51,458 --> 00:34:55,179 Everyone is just let me know if you need anything. 693 00:34:55,179 --> 00:34:56,724 I'm already setting up touch bases. 694 00:34:56,724 --> 00:35:00,371 It's much more casual in the way people speak to each other 695 00:35:00,952 --> 00:35:02,876 than what I'm like it's. 696 00:35:02,876 --> 00:35:03,418 I've. 697 00:35:03,418 --> 00:35:06,050 I've had that kind of culture in the past and I've always 698 00:35:06,110 --> 00:35:09,284 tried to find a place that recreates it and this place 699 00:35:10,025 --> 00:35:10,786 seemingly does. 700 00:35:10,786 --> 00:35:12,590 It's very like we love that. 701 00:35:12,590 --> 00:35:15,934 You here, we can't wait to see what you're going to do. 702 00:35:15,934 --> 00:35:17,215 It's very positive. 703 00:35:17,215 --> 00:35:20,599 They trust me and it's just such a feeling. 704 00:35:24,371 --> 00:35:27,125 Speaker 2: And now I'm like gosh , don't let me fuck it up. 705 00:35:27,125 --> 00:35:28,266 Oh no, you'll do excellent. 706 00:35:28,266 --> 00:35:34,034 A good onboarding experience really said you know, this is 707 00:35:34,074 --> 00:35:34,755 dating myself. 708 00:35:34,755 --> 00:35:39,186 But when I joined the law firm, I go into you know I do you go 709 00:35:39,226 --> 00:35:41,512 into a conference room I think a couple other people started the 710 00:35:41,512 --> 00:35:43,887 same day as I did and you get this, you get that. 711 00:35:43,887 --> 00:35:46,833 And then they sent me to. 712 00:35:47,173 --> 00:35:50,226 I got to see my office after after a while and you know I 713 00:35:50,266 --> 00:35:53,311 talked to my boss real briefly, but she actually had to go to 714 00:35:53,652 --> 00:35:54,753 another meeting or something. 715 00:35:54,753 --> 00:35:57,097 So she said, just get yourself set up in your office. 716 00:35:57,097 --> 00:36:02,005 And I walk into my office and I have my computer set up there 717 00:36:02,827 --> 00:36:07,675 and I have several reams of letterhead with my name on it, 718 00:36:07,996 --> 00:36:12,971 notepads with my name on it, my name and title, and then I'm 719 00:36:13,331 --> 00:36:15,856 sitting there organizing, getting stuff and somebody comes 720 00:36:15,856 --> 00:36:19,289 in and now this is getting spoiled by a law firm and they 721 00:36:19,309 --> 00:36:22,617 gave me this like a sheet I could just sort of check out. 722 00:36:22,617 --> 00:36:25,856 I want this, I want sticky notes, I want and they would say 723 00:36:25,856 --> 00:36:29,387 law firms go through the amazon raven floors like there's no 724 00:36:29,447 --> 00:36:29,949 other business. 725 00:36:29,949 --> 00:36:32,585 They actually had their own print shop, like I think was 726 00:36:32,605 --> 00:36:35,371 this I was on the 21st floor and they were on the 17th floor. 727 00:36:35,371 --> 00:36:38,036 It was like their own Kinko's that they could do any sort of 728 00:36:38,097 --> 00:36:42,833 printing and things and if I'd wanted anything I could just put 729 00:36:42,833 --> 00:36:44,295 in a request and I would have it. 730 00:36:44,456 --> 00:36:45,666 And I was like what? 731 00:36:45,666 --> 00:36:49,594 And then it was just such a amazing onboarding experience. 732 00:36:49,594 --> 00:36:53,650 You know, it wasn't high tech or cool like what you have, but 733 00:36:53,690 --> 00:36:57,485 was like this they have their act together in doing this. 734 00:36:57,485 --> 00:36:59,992 I was just like this was really , really cool. 735 00:36:59,992 --> 00:37:02,565 And then getting to be an hr and be the one who works with 736 00:37:02,626 --> 00:37:05,954 facilities and works with the all the other departments to get 737 00:37:05,954 --> 00:37:07,347 make that happen for other people. 738 00:37:07,347 --> 00:37:10,777 I was like this you know you can't do that everywhere, but it 739 00:37:10,777 --> 00:37:10,918 was. 740 00:37:10,918 --> 00:37:15,550 It was such a really, really good experience there. 741 00:37:15,550 --> 00:37:18,106 And they also had a housekeeping, the internal 742 00:37:18,206 --> 00:37:21,815 housekeeping crew and I remember one day you know I was doing 743 00:37:21,835 --> 00:37:25,210 with a hole puncher and I I picked it up wrong. 744 00:37:25,210 --> 00:37:27,175 You know what happens we put a couple of these damn hole 745 00:37:27,195 --> 00:37:27,617 punchers wrong. 746 00:37:27,617 --> 00:37:31,880 The little holes go everywhere and I'm in yeah, I'm in there 747 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,987 cleaning it up and someone says, oh, we'll send housekeeping. 748 00:37:33,987 --> 00:37:39,036 I'm like, no, I, I cannot have someone else come in and clean 749 00:37:39,398 --> 00:37:40,018 my mess up. 750 00:37:40,284 --> 00:37:43,034 I just no, no, I created this. 751 00:37:43,034 --> 00:37:46,809 I'm not going to do it and you know, I'm sure I didn't get them 752 00:37:46,809 --> 00:37:48,936 all, but I got them overnight or what have you. 753 00:37:48,936 --> 00:37:51,090 But that was just such a really good onboarding experience, a 754 00:37:51,150 --> 00:37:53,476 really good onboarding experience. 755 00:37:53,476 --> 00:37:53,777 And that. 756 00:37:53,777 --> 00:37:59,034 That, when you have those really good memories, even 757 00:37:59,054 --> 00:38:00,827 thinking back and like, wow, you know, yeah, there's going to be 758 00:38:00,827 --> 00:38:04,371 crappy days and stuff, but when the table is set right, you 759 00:38:04,391 --> 00:38:09,952 know, it's just like yeah it's so like even I got to choose my 760 00:38:10,052 --> 00:38:12,311 computer, Like I never got to choose a computer. 761 00:38:12,492 --> 00:38:13,786 Speaker 3: They're like oh, you're just going to get 762 00:38:13,806 --> 00:38:15,028 whatever we send you. 763 00:38:15,028 --> 00:38:18,313 But they let me choose what kind of computer I wanted, which 764 00:38:18,313 --> 00:38:18,313 . 765 00:38:18,313 --> 00:38:21,440 I'm on a Mac now because I'm a Mac girlie, so thank you. 766 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,394 And then the IT person was like please let me know what else 767 00:38:25,434 --> 00:38:28,532 you need, like, and do you need dual monitors? 768 00:38:28,532 --> 00:38:29,335 Do you need this? 769 00:38:29,335 --> 00:38:30,137 Do you need that? 770 00:38:30,137 --> 00:38:34,269 And I was like this is nice, just being a, because you don't 771 00:38:34,289 --> 00:38:37,833 know what you don't know and you don't want to ask for too much 772 00:38:37,934 --> 00:38:38,213 if it's. 773 00:38:38,213 --> 00:38:42,059 You know not the standard and you don't know what the standard 774 00:38:42,059 --> 00:38:42,298 is. 775 00:38:42,298 --> 00:38:43,701 So you don't know what to ask for. 776 00:38:43,701 --> 00:38:51,215 And yeah, they were just like yeah, let us know what you need 777 00:38:51,235 --> 00:38:52,398 to make work better. 778 00:38:52,398 --> 00:38:53,760 And you know my manager. 779 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:54,382 She's amazing. 780 00:38:54,382 --> 00:38:55,827 My new peers are fantastic. 781 00:38:55,827 --> 00:38:56,789 I'm on like the. 782 00:38:56,789 --> 00:38:57,992 What is it? 783 00:38:57,992 --> 00:39:00,826 The meet and greet show right now or the meet and greet tour 784 00:39:00,865 --> 00:39:01,246 right now? 785 00:39:01,246 --> 00:39:01,387 Where? 786 00:39:01,407 --> 00:39:04,275 I'm trying to meet all the business partners and getting to 787 00:39:04,275 --> 00:39:08,809 know exactly what they do, and it's just great, it's just fun, 788 00:39:09,108 --> 00:39:10,972 I feel welcomed, it feels good. 789 00:39:10,992 --> 00:39:13,356 Speaker 2: Awesome, happy for you. 790 00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:18,056 Speaker 3: Thank you, and some of them know about the podcast. 791 00:39:18,056 --> 00:39:19,606 So now I'm like, please don't judge me. 792 00:39:19,606 --> 00:39:22,494 I say stupid things sometimes, but don't hold it against me, 793 00:39:22,554 --> 00:39:29,425 thank you oh yeah, welcome aboard all you cc co-workers. 794 00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:34,775 Speaker 2: You can support us on patreon like hallie, the 795 00:39:34,815 --> 00:39:37,688 original jaded hr, rock star bill and michael. 796 00:39:37,688 --> 00:39:39,775 You can support us on patreon. 797 00:39:39,775 --> 00:39:44,291 Buy us a beer, yeah, so yeah, anyways had to. 798 00:39:44,291 --> 00:39:46,355 That's a good way to segue that one in. 799 00:39:46,355 --> 00:39:52,231 So, oh man, so we've been promising this office episode 800 00:39:52,271 --> 00:39:54,175 for has it been two months since ? 801 00:39:54,896 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 3: Probably it's been two months yeah. 802 00:39:57,606 --> 00:40:00,014 Speaker 2: And it's only episode two it is coming. 803 00:40:00,014 --> 00:40:00,574 We're doing great. 804 00:40:01,445 --> 00:40:02,148 Speaker 3: We're doing great. 805 00:40:03,132 --> 00:40:03,414 Speaker 2: It is. 806 00:40:03,414 --> 00:40:06,755 It will be released before the end of April. 807 00:40:06,755 --> 00:40:11,144 So it is coming because we're going to re-record it tonight. 808 00:40:11,144 --> 00:40:14,751 I'm just tired of the editing, so we're re-recording right 809 00:40:14,871 --> 00:40:15,253 after this. 810 00:40:15,253 --> 00:40:20,192 So, anyways, yeah, what else is going on in the HR world? 811 00:40:20,192 --> 00:40:23,418 Is there anything that left to cover? 812 00:40:25,628 --> 00:40:27,813 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just trying to survive with a new sickness, 813 00:40:27,813 --> 00:40:28,836 so you know. 814 00:40:30,144 --> 00:40:31,646 Speaker 2: Well, you're working remote, so you're not getting 815 00:40:31,666 --> 00:40:34,690 your co-workers sick and things like that and you don't have to. 816 00:40:34,690 --> 00:40:38,976 You know, I I felt bad a few months ago. 817 00:40:38,976 --> 00:40:42,721 I felt I didn't have a fever, I just didn't feel very well and 818 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,271 I think I might have been patient zero, you know, having 819 00:40:45,331 --> 00:40:46,996 minimal symptoms and a couple other people. 820 00:40:46,996 --> 00:40:49,094 You know, maybe it's just coincidence someone's going 821 00:40:49,114 --> 00:40:51,666 around at the same time or something like the death, or 822 00:40:51,686 --> 00:40:54,572 well, people are going on like maybe I should actually work 823 00:40:54,612 --> 00:40:57,396 from home that day or stay at home, but you don't have to 824 00:40:57,416 --> 00:41:01,985 worry about that and worry about no, take your sick or pto time 825 00:41:02,025 --> 00:41:02,849 or anything like that. 826 00:41:02,909 --> 00:41:05,916 Speaker 3: So yeah, no, I am wearing a mask around the baby 827 00:41:05,936 --> 00:41:09,447 because, oh like I don't want to get her sick. 828 00:41:09,447 --> 00:41:12,414 I can handle being sick myself, but I can't handle taking care 829 00:41:12,434 --> 00:41:13,186 of a sick baby. 830 00:41:13,186 --> 00:41:18,030 It is a nightmare so I'm trying so hard, just hand-washing 831 00:41:18,170 --> 00:41:19,414 Purell and a face mask. 832 00:41:19,414 --> 00:41:20,891 I feel like it's COVID all over , wow. 833 00:41:21,585 --> 00:41:27,126 Speaker 2: So well, I think this is a good place to end it, but 834 00:41:27,568 --> 00:41:30,731 yeah, I do have a couple more episode ideas that are coming to 835 00:41:30,731 --> 00:41:32,625 me from this SHRM conference. 836 00:41:32,625 --> 00:41:35,356 Like I said, tomorrow's the last day, so maybe something 837 00:41:35,478 --> 00:41:39,815 wild or crazy will come up and happen the next two days, or I 838 00:41:39,835 --> 00:41:40,096 don't know. 839 00:41:40,096 --> 00:41:41,371 Who knows what it is. 840 00:41:41,371 --> 00:41:45,528 But yeah, SHRM, you need to be ashamed if this is what you 841 00:41:45,548 --> 00:41:46,313 think is important. 842 00:41:46,313 --> 00:41:51,271 So, as all oh that guy's like Do our thank yous. 843 00:41:51,271 --> 00:41:54,786 Andrew Kolpa is the voice artist who does the intro and 844 00:41:54,826 --> 00:41:55,525 then the intro. 845 00:41:55,525 --> 00:41:58,206 Outro music is the Underschool Orchestra. 846 00:41:58,206 --> 00:41:59,927 The song is Devil with the Devil. 847 00:41:59,927 --> 00:42:05,329 So now I'll say, as always I'm Warren, I'm Cece and we're here 848 00:42:05,369 --> 00:42:06,268 helping you survive. 849 00:42:06,268 --> 00:42:07,208 Hr one. 850 00:42:07,208 --> 00:42:11,750 What the fuck moment at a time. 851 00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:12,650 Thank you.