1 00:00:02,023 --> 00:00:04,546 Speaker 1: Had you actually read the email, you would know that 2 00:00:04,567 --> 00:00:07,812 the podcast you are about to listen to could contain explicit 3 00:00:07,812 --> 00:00:09,814 language and offensive content. 4 00:00:09,814 --> 00:00:14,474 These HR experts' views are not representative of their past, 5 00:00:14,814 --> 00:00:16,480 present or future employers. 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,687 If you have ever heard my manager is unfair to me. 7 00:00:19,687 --> 00:00:24,722 I need you to reset my HR portal password, or Can I write 8 00:00:24,762 --> 00:00:26,548 up my employee for crying too much? 9 00:00:26,548 --> 00:00:28,827 Welcome to our little safe zone . 10 00:00:50,137 --> 00:00:52,738 Speaker 2: Welcome to Jaded HR, the podcast by two HR 11 00:00:52,759 --> 00:00:54,942 professionals who want to help you get through the workday by 12 00:00:55,042 --> 00:00:57,347 saying everything you're thinking, but say it out loud. 13 00:00:57,347 --> 00:00:57,969 I'm Warren. 14 00:00:59,152 --> 00:00:59,753 Speaker 3: I'm Cece. 15 00:01:00,619 --> 00:01:03,670 Speaker 2: Okay, at long last, here comes your Diversity Day 16 00:01:03,851 --> 00:01:04,332 episode. 17 00:01:04,332 --> 00:01:07,221 In the last episode we said it's been about two months that 18 00:01:07,242 --> 00:01:10,710 we've been saying this one's coming, and I just got to the 19 00:01:10,730 --> 00:01:11,962 point where I can't edit it. 20 00:01:11,962 --> 00:01:12,823 I don't have the time. 21 00:01:12,823 --> 00:01:14,969 It'll be quicker and easier just to rerecord. 22 00:01:14,969 --> 00:01:18,183 So that's what we're doing and you will have this You're 23 00:01:18,203 --> 00:01:20,307 listening to this hopefully towards the end of April. 24 00:01:20,307 --> 00:01:26,335 So yay, us, yay Showing how the sausage is made. 25 00:01:26,420 --> 00:01:27,141 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 26 00:01:27,522 --> 00:01:29,427 Speaker 2: I think that going forward, though, we'll have 27 00:01:29,468 --> 00:01:30,852 these much more regularly. 28 00:01:30,852 --> 00:01:34,165 The third episode of every month, like we said, we're going 29 00:01:34,165 --> 00:01:35,087 to as well. 30 00:01:35,087 --> 00:01:41,263 So, yeah, so Diversity Day, it's season one, episode two. 31 00:01:41,263 --> 00:01:48,612 It really sets the tone once again for how far the office can 32 00:01:48,612 --> 00:01:51,316 go and how far they can't go. 33 00:01:51,316 --> 00:01:56,125 They couldn't go today as well, so do you want to set the 34 00:01:56,185 --> 00:02:00,492 episode up a little further or just go whatever comes up to our 35 00:02:00,492 --> 00:02:00,754 mind? 36 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:02,942 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'll set it up. 37 00:02:02,942 --> 00:02:04,527 Comes up to our mind yeah, so I'll set it up. 38 00:02:04,527 --> 00:02:15,760 So Michael, the fearless leader of Dunder Mifflin, has made 39 00:02:15,781 --> 00:02:17,347 some inappropriate jokes in the office and we find out later 40 00:02:17,366 --> 00:02:18,671 that it's a rendition of a Chris Rock joke and apparently this 41 00:02:18,692 --> 00:02:19,534 has made people feel uncomfortable. 42 00:02:19,534 --> 00:02:23,962 So they have hired an external trainer to come in and do and 43 00:02:23,983 --> 00:02:25,163 talk about diversity. 44 00:02:25,163 --> 00:02:28,306 So two things off the top of my mind. 45 00:02:28,306 --> 00:02:30,508 I am a huge fan of the Office. 46 00:02:30,508 --> 00:02:33,550 I have seen this episode a thousand times, yet I have never 47 00:02:33,550 --> 00:02:38,235 actually done the digging to see the Chris Rock skit that 48 00:02:38,254 --> 00:02:39,175 he's talking about. 49 00:02:39,175 --> 00:02:44,929 So I did, okay, and I'm like oh , you cannot do this in an 50 00:02:45,008 --> 00:02:45,751 office, michael. 51 00:02:45,751 --> 00:02:49,229 No, no, no, so, yeah. 52 00:02:49,229 --> 00:02:53,371 So it's a very inappropriate thing to try to reenact in an 53 00:02:53,471 --> 00:02:53,812 office. 54 00:02:55,161 --> 00:02:57,205 Speaker 2: Especially as maybe a middle-aged white guy. 55 00:02:58,469 --> 00:03:00,443 Speaker 3: Especially, yeah, middle-aged white guy. 56 00:03:00,443 --> 00:03:03,284 No, it's just in bad taste. 57 00:03:03,284 --> 00:03:07,383 Don't do it, mainly because, I don't know. 58 00:03:07,383 --> 00:03:08,889 I think they kind of get to it because they bleep him. 59 00:03:08,889 --> 00:03:12,061 But he does drop the n-word in the joke and it seems like 60 00:03:12,161 --> 00:03:13,645 michael was doing it verbatim. 61 00:03:13,645 --> 00:03:15,831 Yeah, so, and it's a lot. 62 00:03:15,831 --> 00:03:18,800 So, please, that is incredibly inappropriate, michael. 63 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:24,628 So, yeah, so then they bring in this expert in diversity His 64 00:03:24,669 --> 00:03:29,336 name is Mr Brown to come in and do this diversity training. 65 00:03:30,181 --> 00:03:34,151 Speaker 2: And I will say I love the casting of Mr Brown, 66 00:03:34,191 --> 00:03:34,792 whoever he is. 67 00:03:34,792 --> 00:03:36,787 I've seen him in something else before. 68 00:03:36,787 --> 00:03:41,532 I keep meaning to go to IMDB and search what I've seen him in 69 00:03:41,532 --> 00:03:46,526 , but I swear I've seen him in something, but he's perfect for 70 00:03:46,545 --> 00:03:46,926 the role. 71 00:03:46,926 --> 00:03:48,270 He. 72 00:03:48,270 --> 00:03:53,162 He sells me on the fact that he's a diversity consultant and 73 00:03:53,943 --> 00:03:57,889 he handles Michael beautifully so good. 74 00:03:57,889 --> 00:04:02,824 And this is thing Michael isn't used to being handled at all, 75 00:04:03,286 --> 00:04:04,849 but much less like this. 76 00:04:04,849 --> 00:04:07,924 I love when he says well, actually, would you give me 77 00:04:08,024 --> 00:04:10,068 permission to take lead on this? 78 00:04:10,068 --> 00:04:13,264 So Michael still has control, but he really can't say no in 79 00:04:13,304 --> 00:04:14,788 front of everybody with that. 80 00:04:14,788 --> 00:04:15,490 I love that. 81 00:04:15,490 --> 00:04:17,781 And then he said oh, this would work better too if you would 82 00:04:18,041 --> 00:04:19,024 sit down as well. 83 00:04:19,024 --> 00:04:21,288 I just the way he handled. 84 00:04:21,668 --> 00:04:28,670 Michael was just, you know, perfect and he sold me on that 85 00:04:28,730 --> 00:04:33,413 he's a diversity consultant the tone and the way he was talking 86 00:04:33,572 --> 00:04:34,555 and things like that. 87 00:04:34,555 --> 00:04:39,113 But I keep going back to A. 88 00:04:39,113 --> 00:04:42,569 You couldn't do this episode today and you know you're 89 00:04:42,588 --> 00:04:45,346 watching Peacock and since we two months ago, when we did our 90 00:04:45,365 --> 00:04:49,514 last rewatch episode, it says 20th anniversary all over the 91 00:04:49,653 --> 00:04:50,435 office on Peacock. 92 00:04:50,435 --> 00:04:52,966 Now I'm like- that's incredible 20 years ago. 93 00:04:53,208 --> 00:04:57,197 Yeah, it is incredible and it's still relevant for the most part 94 00:04:57,197 --> 00:04:57,197 . 95 00:04:57,197 --> 00:05:00,490 I can't see a major studio like NBC doing some of the stuff 96 00:05:00,550 --> 00:05:00,870 that they're. 97 00:05:00,870 --> 00:05:03,454 It would be something that would be straight to Peacock or, 98 00:05:03,454 --> 00:05:05,439 you know, back in the day it would be straight to DVD. 99 00:05:05,439 --> 00:05:09,673 But now it'd be something that goes straight to the streaming. 100 00:05:09,673 --> 00:05:13,586 Versus what they put on the actual shows, it's a little. 101 00:05:13,586 --> 00:05:17,416 It's a little racy and they play it so safe nowadays. 102 00:05:17,416 --> 00:05:19,290 So it's, it's really. 103 00:05:19,446 --> 00:05:21,723 Speaker 3: I will say cause this it's a good point you brought 104 00:05:21,764 --> 00:05:21,805 up. 105 00:05:21,884 --> 00:05:26,889 This was brought up in 2000 and or this was released in 2005 and 106 00:05:26,889 --> 00:05:31,396 one of the main things that he had said, mr Brown had said and 107 00:05:31,596 --> 00:05:34,869 and yes, you're right, I, that is an actor who I completely 108 00:05:34,928 --> 00:05:38,958 believe is a training belongs in the training industry. 109 00:05:38,958 --> 00:05:43,033 He does the job so well, but there was, you know, at the at 110 00:05:43,052 --> 00:05:45,538 the beginning of the training, when he's kind of handling 111 00:05:45,598 --> 00:05:49,012 michael, michael's kind of defensive, but not really, and 112 00:05:49,031 --> 00:05:51,966 he's just like this is a color-free zone, we don't see 113 00:05:52,005 --> 00:05:55,699 color, and he stops him and he goes no, no, saying that is 114 00:05:55,759 --> 00:05:58,406 fighting ignorance with ignorance and we want to 115 00:05:58,487 --> 00:06:02,572 celebrate diversity and for me that was 2005. 116 00:06:02,572 --> 00:06:06,918 And that was kind of ahead of its time because that's how we 117 00:06:06,978 --> 00:06:09,420 understand diversity, equity and inclusion now. 118 00:06:09,420 --> 00:06:13,913 So like, and that's not how I don't think that's how that was 119 00:06:13,952 --> 00:06:14,675 handled back then. 120 00:06:14,675 --> 00:06:16,137 I want to be really transparent . 121 00:06:16,137 --> 00:06:33,452 I was in my, a college student, but I'm going to assume it was 122 00:06:33,492 --> 00:06:34,495 not dealt in the same way. 123 00:06:34,495 --> 00:06:36,812 So I think that this was a little ahead of its time. 124 00:06:37,904 --> 00:06:42,084 Speaker 2: It really was because I was working in 2005. 125 00:06:42,084 --> 00:06:47,848 I was working in HR in 2005 when this came out and, yeah, 126 00:06:48,910 --> 00:06:52,555 diversity, I don't think we had done, I'd ever done, an actual 127 00:06:52,615 --> 00:06:53,718 diversity training. 128 00:06:53,718 --> 00:06:59,033 By that point, yeah, I don't think it was a thing back then. 129 00:06:59,033 --> 00:07:01,218 So, who knows, who knows with it? 130 00:07:01,218 --> 00:07:06,196 So, oh man, I'm actually trying to pull up the actor's name. 131 00:07:06,196 --> 00:07:10,911 I'm on the imdb right now trying to see, but it I don't 132 00:07:10,951 --> 00:07:12,033 think he's listed. 133 00:07:12,033 --> 00:07:16,307 Anyways, I'll keep on going, I'll edit this stuff out, but 134 00:07:16,346 --> 00:07:18,735 anyways I I think it is ahead of his time. 135 00:07:18,735 --> 00:07:21,987 The training they did, but the whole we okay, you've already 136 00:07:22,028 --> 00:07:23,817 said the reason why they're trained. 137 00:07:23,817 --> 00:07:28,257 So he passes out these cards to everybody in the group there 138 00:07:28,579 --> 00:07:29,682 and says there was an incident. 139 00:07:29,682 --> 00:07:31,588 Why don't you tell me about an incident that made you 140 00:07:31,668 --> 00:07:33,211 uncomfortable recently? 141 00:07:33,211 --> 00:07:37,709 And just as predicted, because a good consultant who does 142 00:07:37,749 --> 00:07:40,062 something like that, just like an attorney, you don't ask a 143 00:07:40,103 --> 00:07:41,470 question you don't know the answer to. 144 00:07:41,470 --> 00:07:43,779 This guy knew the answer he was going to get. 145 00:07:43,779 --> 00:07:44,343 It looks like. 146 00:07:44,343 --> 00:07:45,307 Oh, a question you don't know the answer to. 147 00:07:45,307 --> 00:07:46,348 This guy knew the answer he was going to get. 148 00:07:46,348 --> 00:07:47,732 It looks like we all gave the same answer on a recent, which 149 00:07:47,791 --> 00:07:51,906 is exactly why I'm here, michael and things like that. 150 00:07:51,906 --> 00:07:54,048 So it was perfect. 151 00:07:54,048 --> 00:07:58,797 It really was well done across the board. 152 00:07:59,598 --> 00:08:01,339 Okay, his name is Larry Wilmore. 153 00:08:01,339 --> 00:08:03,028 Mr Brown is Larry Wilmore. 154 00:08:03,028 --> 00:08:03,891 Let me see what else. 155 00:08:03,891 --> 00:08:06,435 He was in the Facts of Life in 1979. 156 00:08:06,435 --> 00:08:07,117 I love that show. 157 00:08:07,117 --> 00:08:12,435 Lisa Welch was one of my very first crushes as a little kid on 158 00:08:12,435 --> 00:08:13,197 the Facts of Life. 159 00:08:13,197 --> 00:08:15,291 He was on Sledgehammer. 160 00:08:15,291 --> 00:08:16,829 I loved that show as well. 161 00:08:16,829 --> 00:08:17,713 I'm trying to see what else. 162 00:08:17,713 --> 00:08:21,545 Grown-ish, black-ish yeah, he's been around. 163 00:08:21,545 --> 00:08:23,906 He was on the Fresh Prince of Bella Also. 164 00:08:23,906 --> 00:08:26,567 Oh, no, that was 1995, not 2005 . 165 00:08:26,567 --> 00:08:29,990 He was on Living Color, so 62 episodes. 166 00:08:29,990 --> 00:08:32,671 Oh, he was a major character in Living Color. 167 00:08:32,671 --> 00:08:36,173 So anyways, I knew I recognized him, I just couldn't put it 168 00:08:36,673 --> 00:08:37,573 together or where. 169 00:08:37,573 --> 00:08:39,975 From Bernie Mac Show 104 episodes. 170 00:08:40,014 --> 00:08:43,196 Speaker 3: So yeah, oh, he had his own show on Comedy Central, 171 00:08:43,476 --> 00:08:44,976 the Nightly Show with Larry Wilmore. 172 00:08:44,976 --> 00:08:45,717 Oh, okay. 173 00:08:46,337 --> 00:08:47,317 Speaker 2: Yep, I see there too. 174 00:08:47,317 --> 00:08:51,321 Yeah, okay, but he killed that role. 175 00:08:51,321 --> 00:08:53,662 He did he did so good. 176 00:08:54,442 --> 00:08:57,342 Speaker 3: He also did so good handling Dwight oh Dwight. 177 00:09:05,206 --> 00:09:06,448 Speaker 2: When Dwight would say what was it? 178 00:09:06,448 --> 00:09:06,570 When? 179 00:09:06,570 --> 00:09:08,053 He was like okay, can we talk about races, talk about gays, 180 00:09:08,073 --> 00:09:08,755 homosexuality or yeah, or the gays. 181 00:09:08,755 --> 00:09:10,421 Whatever he said, yeah, I don't know what he says. 182 00:09:10,421 --> 00:09:12,928 That's not a race that's not a race. 183 00:09:14,251 --> 00:09:17,758 Speaker 3: He turns around and mr brown is just like well, we 184 00:09:17,817 --> 00:09:22,873 only have an hour yeah, I'm sure he's like. 185 00:09:23,214 --> 00:09:26,099 Speaker 2: I can make billable hours forever in this office, 186 00:09:27,648 --> 00:09:32,556 the cash coming in and and mike michael, you know, when he's 187 00:09:32,596 --> 00:09:34,546 trying to take over and lead the thing, he goes. 188 00:09:34,546 --> 00:09:37,113 Why don't we start by everybody going around the room and 189 00:09:37,192 --> 00:09:41,330 saying the the races were sexually attracted to? 190 00:09:41,330 --> 00:09:44,576 Oh my god and of course they go straight to dwight, who's 191 00:09:45,197 --> 00:09:48,168 sitting right beside mindy kelly . 192 00:09:48,168 --> 00:09:48,429 What's her? 193 00:09:48,429 --> 00:09:50,433 Name kelly kelly sitting right beside kelly. 194 00:09:50,433 --> 00:09:56,572 It says I'm attracted to whites and indians, and she like side 195 00:09:56,631 --> 00:09:56,792 eyes. 196 00:09:56,832 --> 00:09:58,615 Speaker 3: Him like this is uncomfortable. 197 00:09:58,735 --> 00:10:02,831 Speaker 2: It's creepy on so many different levels. 198 00:10:02,831 --> 00:10:06,746 It's creepy and it's a and it's a Dwight, it's a complete 199 00:10:07,067 --> 00:10:10,856 Dwight Schrute type of thing to say, and oh. 200 00:10:11,404 --> 00:10:14,250 Speaker 3: But the funny thing is I've been in situations where 201 00:10:14,250 --> 00:10:17,597 I'm doing a training and someone says something so off 202 00:10:17,638 --> 00:10:21,245 the wall, and you're like in your mind that made sense, but 203 00:10:22,750 --> 00:10:25,135 you didn't really consider the audience you're sitting in front 204 00:10:25,135 --> 00:10:26,750 of, and then you have to kind of pivot. 205 00:10:26,750 --> 00:10:31,289 And he did such a good job pivoting so I was like, oh, like 206 00:10:31,289 --> 00:10:33,056 again, great, great trainer. 207 00:10:34,687 --> 00:10:38,174 Speaker 2: But yeah, the training and it comes out. 208 00:10:38,174 --> 00:10:39,817 You know, everybody has to sign a form. 209 00:10:39,817 --> 00:10:41,150 They participated in the training. 210 00:10:41,150 --> 00:10:43,493 And Michael says, oh, I'm not going to sign this. 211 00:10:43,493 --> 00:10:45,590 This says I actually learned something. 212 00:10:45,590 --> 00:10:46,874 I didn't learn anything. 213 00:10:46,874 --> 00:10:48,397 You can put that taught something. 214 00:10:48,904 --> 00:10:52,052 Michael's trying to wrangle attention and make this about 215 00:10:52,111 --> 00:10:54,436 him as per usual. 216 00:10:54,436 --> 00:10:58,716 The kids would say and once again, mr Brown, michael, can we 217 00:10:58,716 --> 00:10:59,578 talk about this? 218 00:10:59,578 --> 00:11:02,167 And he'd go into Michael's office behind closed doors and 219 00:11:02,788 --> 00:11:04,711 the whole reason I'm here is just for you. 220 00:11:04,711 --> 00:11:09,399 Yeah, and I didn't want to single you out or anything, I 221 00:11:09,438 --> 00:11:11,769 tried to do this, but I need your signature. 222 00:11:11,769 --> 00:11:12,813 And of course, what? 223 00:11:12,813 --> 00:11:16,746 After reading it, michael signs it as Daffy duck, so many 224 00:11:16,807 --> 00:11:17,971 terminal offenses. 225 00:11:17,971 --> 00:11:21,825 I mean, do your investigation and say, okay, michael, you, you 226 00:11:21,825 --> 00:11:22,947 did this Chris Rock routine. 227 00:11:22,947 --> 00:11:29,169 Okay, yeah, it's time for you to oh, oh, even going back even 228 00:11:29,230 --> 00:11:32,408 further, when it first started, the episode started yeah, I've 229 00:11:32,448 --> 00:11:35,288 been wanting to have a diversity training in our office. 230 00:11:35,288 --> 00:11:36,933 For some I've been leading in charge. 231 00:11:36,933 --> 00:11:39,033 Well, I haven't actually spoken to anybody. 232 00:11:39,033 --> 00:11:42,346 And yeah, he's trying to take credit for something he 233 00:11:42,365 --> 00:11:43,595 absolutely had nothing to do with, so you know, it's trying 234 00:11:43,615 --> 00:11:44,964 to take credit for something he absolutely had nothing to do 235 00:11:44,984 --> 00:11:45,065 with. 236 00:11:45,625 --> 00:11:48,855 Speaker 3: So you know his ego won't let him learn anything. 237 00:11:48,855 --> 00:11:52,529 His ego won't let him listen, and that's the that's the issue 238 00:11:52,570 --> 00:11:53,332 with Michael Scott. 239 00:11:53,794 --> 00:11:59,215 Speaker 2: Yeah, so now I can say that the first round of 240 00:11:59,274 --> 00:12:03,431 diversity training is over and now we go into. 241 00:12:03,431 --> 00:12:06,240 Michael isn't satisfied, satisfied, so he's got to create 242 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:12,778 his own diversity day part two, and he created a little video 243 00:12:13,220 --> 00:12:13,660 which I think. 244 00:12:13,681 --> 00:12:15,365 Speaker 3: there's a couple other episodes where michael 245 00:12:15,385 --> 00:12:20,922 scott creates some videos and it's like 30 seconds long and I 246 00:12:20,942 --> 00:12:24,186 will say there was a point where he, after the after mr brown 247 00:12:24,206 --> 00:12:26,888 leaves, then he signed the paper , daffy Duck, he walks out of 248 00:12:26,927 --> 00:12:32,510 his office and he's being very cheeky about I vow to be honest 249 00:12:32,591 --> 00:12:36,113 and empathetic and then he rips it up, yeah, and he's like, oh 250 00:12:36,332 --> 00:12:39,715 wait, no, I actually do want to be those things, but. 251 00:12:39,715 --> 00:12:43,437 But I have been in situations, especially in training 252 00:12:43,476 --> 00:12:47,419 situations, where the leader does not believe in what we're 253 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,961 doing, believes what we're doing is a waste of time and then 254 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,102 will undermine everything you just did. 255 00:12:52,102 --> 00:12:55,948 When you leave the room and that was the one thing when 256 00:12:55,989 --> 00:12:59,557 Michael was doing that it got under my skin so bad. 257 00:12:59,557 --> 00:13:01,830 I was like just move on, man, let people work. 258 00:13:01,830 --> 00:13:04,638 Just move on, man, let people work. 259 00:13:04,958 --> 00:13:05,179 Speaker 2: Yeah. 260 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:05,822 Speaker 3: Just move on. 261 00:13:07,346 --> 00:13:09,212 Speaker 2: Oh, if you haven't watched the episode, that's the 262 00:13:09,253 --> 00:13:10,155 whole gist of the show. 263 00:13:10,155 --> 00:13:11,710 Michael, doesn't let anybody work. 264 00:13:12,673 --> 00:13:13,095 Speaker 3: He doesn't. 265 00:13:14,366 --> 00:13:15,110 Speaker 2: How the heck. 266 00:13:15,110 --> 00:13:18,653 And they're apparently one of the best offices in all. 267 00:13:18,653 --> 00:13:20,817 Dunder Mifflin through everything. 268 00:13:20,985 --> 00:13:26,230 Speaker 3: So anyways, but Michael does his own and you 269 00:13:26,270 --> 00:13:29,489 covered the video last time you I'll let you take the video what 270 00:13:29,489 --> 00:13:36,188 michael says oh yeah, he said diversity today or no, we are 271 00:13:36,229 --> 00:13:43,933 diversity tomorrow because today is almost over, which I love, 272 00:13:43,953 --> 00:13:51,716 like actually that's pretty good marketing he quotes abraham 273 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:54,243 that's right. 274 00:13:54,243 --> 00:13:55,326 I forget what he said. 275 00:13:55,326 --> 00:13:57,851 Oh my gosh, Like if you're a racist. 276 00:13:58,500 --> 00:14:01,828 Speaker 2: I'll send the army, the Northern Army, to attack and 277 00:14:01,828 --> 00:14:03,072 kill you, or something like that. 278 00:14:03,980 --> 00:14:04,620 Speaker 3: That's right. 279 00:14:04,620 --> 00:14:07,783 Yes, according to Abraham Lincoln, if you're a racist. 280 00:14:07,783 --> 00:14:09,445 And okay, going back to the last episode and the the 281 00:14:23,081 --> 00:14:24,042 conferences and things. 282 00:14:24,964 --> 00:14:29,331 Speaker 2: I I hate interactivity in conference 283 00:14:29,350 --> 00:14:32,481 things because in my opinion, it means you didn't have enough 284 00:14:32,522 --> 00:14:35,750 content to fill, so you were trying to waste time and have 285 00:14:35,789 --> 00:14:38,100 people do the stupid little things together and waste time, 286 00:14:38,052 --> 00:14:38,111 etc. 287 00:14:38,111 --> 00:14:38,677 So, anyways, oh, lauren, you're trying to waste time and have 288 00:14:38,629 --> 00:14:39,870 people do stupid little things together and waste time, etc. 289 00:14:39,909 --> 00:14:42,913 Speaker 3: So, anyways, oh Warren, you're so jaded. 290 00:14:42,913 --> 00:14:45,755 That's what experiential learning is. 291 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,027 Speaker 2: There's a difference between experiential learning 292 00:14:48,248 --> 00:14:51,798 and doing teamwork and group exercise. 293 00:14:51,798 --> 00:14:53,943 I don't think I've ever done one that I thought, oh, this was 294 00:14:53,943 --> 00:14:55,126 useful for something. 295 00:14:55,126 --> 00:15:00,621 No, it wasn't, but anyways thought, oh, this was useful for 296 00:15:00,621 --> 00:15:00,822 something. 297 00:15:00,822 --> 00:15:01,484 Now, it wasn't, but it was I will. 298 00:15:01,484 --> 00:15:02,586 I'll go back to the episode and talk about. 299 00:15:02,586 --> 00:15:04,912 So michael is talking about his heritage and the first thing he 300 00:15:04,912 --> 00:15:08,326 goes to is straight to oscar and asks you know, he wants him 301 00:15:08,366 --> 00:15:10,371 to tell us about your, you know, michael's, I'm. 302 00:15:10,371 --> 00:15:14,145 I'm english, scottish, german, whatever he is, and all. 303 00:15:14,145 --> 00:15:17,852 And so he goes straight to Oscar and says tell us about 304 00:15:17,913 --> 00:15:18,413 yourself. 305 00:15:20,179 --> 00:15:21,085 Speaker 3: And Oscar clocks it. 306 00:15:21,085 --> 00:15:25,345 He's like, okay, like he's so smart, he knows what Michael's 307 00:15:25,384 --> 00:15:25,625 doing. 308 00:15:25,625 --> 00:15:29,269 He's like okay, well, my parents are from Mexico and they 309 00:15:29,269 --> 00:15:33,047 moved here before I was born, so I was raised here. 310 00:15:35,543 --> 00:15:39,610 Speaker 2: And I loved it because, well, what do you want 311 00:15:39,650 --> 00:15:39,691 to? 312 00:15:39,691 --> 00:15:42,380 To be called, or I forget how he gets on the topic what do you 313 00:15:42,380 --> 00:15:43,224 want mexican? 314 00:15:43,224 --> 00:15:44,086 And he goes. 315 00:15:44,086 --> 00:15:45,431 Well, isn't that an offensive term? 316 00:15:46,421 --> 00:15:48,302 Speaker 3: no, yes, doesn't it? 317 00:15:48,302 --> 00:15:50,144 Doesn't that have connotations? 318 00:15:50,144 --> 00:15:58,792 And he's like what connotations are you talking? 319 00:15:58,971 --> 00:16:02,676 Speaker 2: and yeah, so I think the going around the room sort 320 00:16:02,716 --> 00:16:04,177 of stopped abruptly there. 321 00:16:04,177 --> 00:16:06,765 So good job, and then and then really quick. 322 00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:09,331 Speaker 3: Kelly had to leave because she had a client meeting 323 00:16:09,331 --> 00:16:12,066 and then as she was leaving and kelly's indian. 324 00:16:12,066 --> 00:16:16,302 And as she was leaving, michael was like oh, and he goes, but 325 00:16:16,341 --> 00:16:19,361 if you leave, they'll only be two left, and he's obviously 326 00:16:19,442 --> 00:16:22,591 referring to Oscar, who's Mexican, and Stanley, who's 327 00:16:22,631 --> 00:16:23,014 black. 328 00:16:23,014 --> 00:16:26,404 So that was a really funny moment and she was like what? 329 00:16:26,404 --> 00:16:27,288 And he's like nevermind. 330 00:16:30,981 --> 00:16:34,164 Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, but those are the things I don't 331 00:16:34,205 --> 00:16:37,908 think you could say and do on network TV today. 332 00:16:37,908 --> 00:16:41,592 I think that they would have some sort of conniption on 333 00:16:43,534 --> 00:16:48,845 redoing the office like that and having those today. 334 00:16:48,845 --> 00:16:53,312 With all the crap going on in offices today and romances and 335 00:16:53,812 --> 00:16:57,202 all this other stuff, you know, wow, Not that romances didn't 336 00:16:57,243 --> 00:17:01,203 happen before, but with the digital world of everything, I 337 00:17:01,244 --> 00:17:05,560 think an HR office would be an excellent TV show idea where you 338 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,347 get the HR team and their talk. 339 00:17:07,347 --> 00:17:09,702 You don't even have to see the perpetrators of all these 340 00:17:09,762 --> 00:17:11,241 offenses that we have to, you just have to. 341 00:17:11,241 --> 00:17:13,849 Oh my God, I got to deal with Tommy again. 342 00:17:13,849 --> 00:17:15,125 You know what is he. 343 00:17:15,125 --> 00:17:16,664 You know it was another. 344 00:17:19,205 --> 00:17:21,210 Speaker 3: I would love a workplace comedy that was just 345 00:17:21,411 --> 00:17:24,944 the HR team and the different functions of HR and outside of 346 00:17:24,984 --> 00:17:27,971 that little ecosystem of all the stuff they have to deal with 347 00:17:28,193 --> 00:17:31,723 regularly and all of their regular offenders and all that 348 00:17:31,763 --> 00:17:32,326 kind of stuff. 349 00:17:32,326 --> 00:17:34,307 I think there's something there . 350 00:17:34,307 --> 00:17:37,124 I don't have time to write it, but if someone wants to write it 351 00:17:37,124 --> 00:17:37,444 , go ahead. 352 00:17:38,580 --> 00:17:41,284 Speaker 2: Give us credit and some money, yeah just give me my 353 00:17:41,284 --> 00:17:41,807 royalty. 354 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:42,944 Speaker 3: We'll timestamp this. 355 00:17:42,944 --> 00:17:47,596 This is how it went out, so you know it's fine, Sign contracts 356 00:17:47,636 --> 00:17:47,799 later. 357 00:17:49,102 --> 00:17:50,765 Speaker 2: I started going down this part of the episode earlier 358 00:17:50,765 --> 00:17:54,632 , but we do finally get introduced to Toby, the office 359 00:17:55,192 --> 00:17:59,029 HR person, and you know you talk about your ratios, depending on 360 00:17:59,029 --> 00:18:00,162 your industry. 361 00:18:00,162 --> 00:18:04,430 I think they say it's supposed to be between one and 100, one 362 00:18:04,911 --> 00:18:08,284 hr person every 100 to 200 people, depending on the 363 00:18:08,384 --> 00:18:12,553 industry and what they got yeah include, you add the warehouse 364 00:18:12,613 --> 00:18:16,424 people, you've got 20 people there, dunder, miffin and he's 365 00:18:16,486 --> 00:18:16,705 got. 366 00:18:16,806 --> 00:18:19,631 hopefully he handles more than that, but he's walking in for 367 00:18:19,711 --> 00:18:22,595 Michael's diversity day and get out. 368 00:18:22,595 --> 00:18:25,762 Well, first Toby tries to make a snide comment Are you going to 369 00:18:25,762 --> 00:18:28,059 have a sit Indian style on the floor, michael? 370 00:18:28,059 --> 00:18:31,201 And you know trying to try to. 371 00:18:31,201 --> 00:18:33,063 Michael just says get out, get out. 372 00:18:33,063 --> 00:18:40,568 And you instantly get the relationship between Michael and 373 00:18:40,568 --> 00:18:43,790 Toby, who represents HR in the show. 374 00:18:43,790 --> 00:18:47,393 So that was really telling. 375 00:18:47,393 --> 00:18:49,075 So you only see Toby for what? 376 00:18:49,075 --> 00:18:51,957 30 seconds or so before he just turns on 30 seconds. 377 00:18:51,957 --> 00:18:53,377 I'm out. 378 00:18:58,900 --> 00:18:59,923 Speaker 3: And, by the way, surprise that Toby, the HR 379 00:18:59,943 --> 00:19:01,631 person, is the one that used the term Indian style, isn't it 380 00:19:01,651 --> 00:19:03,176 crisscross applesauce yeah, isn't that what we're doing now? 381 00:19:03,238 --> 00:19:06,204 Speaker 2: that's what it is now , and I tell you what I did. 382 00:19:06,204 --> 00:19:09,311 My daughter comes home from kindergarten or something like 383 00:19:09,332 --> 00:19:11,321 that, and talking about crisscross applesauce, I'm like 384 00:19:12,403 --> 00:19:12,683 what? 385 00:19:12,683 --> 00:19:16,429 And I was like, oh, okay, I get it. 386 00:19:16,429 --> 00:19:21,276 We can't say it's Indian style any longer, or what have you. 387 00:19:21,940 --> 00:19:25,849 Speaker 3: Crisscross applesauce which to me sounds cuter. 388 00:19:25,849 --> 00:19:26,652 For kids it is cuter. 389 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:28,346 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a cuter thing. 390 00:19:28,346 --> 00:19:29,825 It's marketed better. 391 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:32,326 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is marketed better. 392 00:19:33,700 --> 00:19:38,188 Speaker 2: So the exercise the group exercise Michael comes up 393 00:19:38,248 --> 00:19:44,285 with is he has all these cards on a tray and he probably played 394 00:19:44,285 --> 00:19:46,050 a party game or something where there's something on it. 395 00:19:46,050 --> 00:19:48,285 You put something in your head and you're trying to get someone 396 00:19:48,285 --> 00:19:51,192 to say whatever word is on your head, or something like that. 397 00:19:51,843 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: I've done a couple of things like that yeah, you got 398 00:19:53,540 --> 00:19:56,853 to get the person with the card on their head to guess what's on 399 00:19:56,853 --> 00:19:57,375 their card? 400 00:19:57,394 --> 00:19:58,258 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. 401 00:19:58,459 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 402 00:19:59,220 --> 00:20:03,109 Speaker 2: Well, michael has all these quote unquote races of 403 00:20:03,170 --> 00:20:04,011 people, oh my gosh. 404 00:20:04,011 --> 00:20:06,909 And so everybody's walking around with these things on 405 00:20:06,929 --> 00:20:09,468 their head and most of them aren't races. 406 00:20:09,468 --> 00:20:12,787 There's one of them, jewish, one is Italian. 407 00:20:12,787 --> 00:20:14,626 Michael's wearing Martin Luther King. 408 00:20:14,626 --> 00:20:15,703 That's not a race. 409 00:20:16,827 --> 00:20:18,805 Speaker 3: I know, because he's my hero. 410 00:20:18,825 --> 00:20:22,330 Speaker 2: He's my hero and anyway. 411 00:20:22,330 --> 00:20:23,460 So that's the thing. 412 00:20:23,460 --> 00:20:24,363 And, of course, stanley. 413 00:20:24,363 --> 00:20:25,326 What did Stanley get? 414 00:20:25,326 --> 00:20:31,108 Stanley got black and his exercise is go, just walk around 415 00:20:31,108 --> 00:20:34,962 the room and talk to people like you would, according to 416 00:20:35,002 --> 00:20:38,606 whatever race is on their forehead, and Stanley and pam 417 00:20:38,647 --> 00:20:39,842 are saying hi, how are you doing ? 418 00:20:39,842 --> 00:20:41,064 Oh, I'm doing good, how are you ? 419 00:20:41,525 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 3: they're having a typical conversation and michael 420 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,528 hates that and yeah, he wants people to dig into the horrible 421 00:20:49,587 --> 00:20:50,450 stereotypes. 422 00:20:50,671 --> 00:20:53,163 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's come on, we have the holocaust here 423 00:20:53,363 --> 00:20:56,431 versus slavery here and he's getting all into it. 424 00:20:56,431 --> 00:21:00,602 And that's when mike or, excuse me, staley discovers that he's 425 00:21:00,642 --> 00:21:03,630 got black boys and he's not too happy about it. 426 00:21:03,630 --> 00:21:09,807 And then pam and dwight get talking and I dwight is wearing, 427 00:21:09,807 --> 00:21:14,458 I think it says, chinese on his head asian, asian, it just says 428 00:21:14,458 --> 00:21:18,529 asian, okay, which is probably pretty advanced for that time 20 429 00:21:18,529 --> 00:21:18,851 years ago. 430 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:24,571 But and Pam starts off like I really like your food and things 431 00:21:24,571 --> 00:21:27,788 like that and Michael's once again prompted no, you've really 432 00:21:27,788 --> 00:21:27,989 got to. 433 00:21:27,989 --> 00:21:31,946 And she's like okay if I have to give a completely untrue 434 00:21:32,007 --> 00:21:39,876 stereotypical because you can't drive and he goes, I'm a woman. 435 00:21:42,980 --> 00:21:43,762 Speaker 3: I'm a woman, 'm a woman, and it was just. 436 00:21:43,762 --> 00:21:45,007 I do love, though, in the same interaction he walks up to pam 437 00:21:45,027 --> 00:21:46,211 and he's just like shalom. 438 00:21:46,211 --> 00:21:49,826 I would like to apply for a loan and I was like, oh my gosh, 439 00:21:49,826 --> 00:21:54,398 like dwight, it's such a bad exercise on so many levels, but 440 00:21:54,519 --> 00:21:57,994 dwight is in it to win it when you have a dwight you. 441 00:21:58,155 --> 00:22:02,287 You have to know your audience, like whoa he got frustrated 442 00:22:02,366 --> 00:22:05,634 because someone, I guess, hinted about rice and he's like a lot 443 00:22:05,653 --> 00:22:09,127 of cultures eat rice and he left that conversation and he just 444 00:22:09,147 --> 00:22:10,130 like wants to win. 445 00:22:10,130 --> 00:22:13,602 So bad, and it's just so funny oh. 446 00:22:13,741 --> 00:22:16,184 Speaker 2: And then eric baumgartner's, kevin. 447 00:22:16,184 --> 00:22:22,853 Then you have Kevin talking to Angela Kinsley I can't remember 448 00:22:22,893 --> 00:22:23,213 her name. 449 00:22:23,213 --> 00:22:25,496 Angela, oh, angela, yeah. 450 00:22:25,496 --> 00:22:29,949 So Kevin is talking to Angela and he goes. 451 00:22:29,949 --> 00:22:32,625 You want to go to the beach, and she's like no. 452 00:22:32,625 --> 00:22:36,165 You want to get high man, and she's like no. 453 00:22:37,740 --> 00:22:39,968 Speaker 3: I think you do man, I think you do Mon, I think you 454 00:22:39,989 --> 00:22:44,150 do man, it was just, it was the you know. 455 00:22:44,150 --> 00:22:48,650 Just watching it made me viscerally uncomfortable. 456 00:22:48,650 --> 00:22:52,068 I'm like there's so much in this room that's happening that 457 00:22:52,148 --> 00:22:56,250 is so wrong, and why is Michael still employed? 458 00:22:57,521 --> 00:22:58,887 Speaker 2: So many terminable offenses. 459 00:22:58,887 --> 00:23:02,665 And then you mentioned Kelly had to leave for an important 460 00:23:02,865 --> 00:23:03,086 call. 461 00:23:03,086 --> 00:23:09,019 She comes back in the room and this is probably coming very 462 00:23:09,078 --> 00:23:11,886 close to equaling the Chris Rock incident. 463 00:23:11,886 --> 00:23:17,084 Yes, maybe she comes back to the room and he does if you 464 00:23:17,104 --> 00:23:20,510 watch Old Simpsons, as they took him off Abu character. 465 00:23:20,570 --> 00:23:22,013 Speaker 3: Oh, Abu yeah. 466 00:23:22,180 --> 00:23:23,486 Speaker 2: It does like the Abu character. 467 00:23:23,486 --> 00:23:26,065 You want some cookie and a horrible Indian accent like 468 00:23:26,285 --> 00:23:27,669 welcome to my convenience store. 469 00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:29,724 Whatever he's saying, and it was so bad. 470 00:23:29,724 --> 00:23:31,366 And Kelly's just like what, what? 471 00:23:31,366 --> 00:23:34,849 And she ends up hauling off and slapping him and she gets it 472 00:23:35,069 --> 00:23:39,500 Kelly Well them. 473 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:40,864 Speaker 3: and she gets it kelly well, kelly doesn't know what's 474 00:23:40,864 --> 00:23:41,065 going on. 475 00:23:41,065 --> 00:23:42,749 She just walks into the room she's not there, privy to the 476 00:23:42,769 --> 00:23:44,734 cards, she's not privy to anything and he just starts 477 00:23:45,256 --> 00:23:48,701 being insulting and stereotypical at her and she 478 00:23:48,781 --> 00:23:52,665 just slaps him across the face, which? 479 00:23:53,105 --> 00:23:53,807 Speaker 2: rightfully so. 480 00:23:53,807 --> 00:23:54,767 Oh, absolutely. 481 00:23:54,767 --> 00:24:00,932 And like I said then he, you got to give credit to Michael. 482 00:24:01,133 --> 00:24:05,096 Speaker 3: He thought quickly she gets it and he's she gets it 483 00:24:05,096 --> 00:24:09,550 , and then he says you now know what it is to feel racism or 484 00:24:09,611 --> 00:24:10,092 something. 485 00:24:10,092 --> 00:24:11,943 And it's, it was just. 486 00:24:11,943 --> 00:24:13,809 Oh, it was so cringy. 487 00:24:15,461 --> 00:24:19,573 Speaker 2: It was like I said, it's a really good episode. 488 00:24:19,573 --> 00:24:23,070 I really enjoyed watching that one again. 489 00:24:23,070 --> 00:24:27,607 What a you know other side stories that aren't directly as 490 00:24:28,009 --> 00:24:30,334 HR cringeworthy that we see. 491 00:24:30,334 --> 00:24:31,763 Well, ryan the Temp. 492 00:24:31,763 --> 00:24:34,111 He was apparently sitting on the couch the whole episode. 493 00:24:34,111 --> 00:24:37,142 He wasn't invited to either meeting, so you just see him 494 00:24:37,564 --> 00:24:41,625 chilling on the couch back there and I like to think that ryan 495 00:24:41,805 --> 00:24:46,394 was invited to both meetings, but he just declined slacked out 496 00:24:46,394 --> 00:24:50,228 of it, doing the bare minimum, which is brian ryan's key. 497 00:24:50,348 --> 00:24:52,011 You know he's ahead of his time. 498 00:24:52,011 --> 00:24:55,346 Doing the the bare minimum, bare sort of like jim, I guess 499 00:24:55,365 --> 00:24:55,747 you could say. 500 00:24:55,747 --> 00:24:59,762 But you know, dwight steals jim's biggest commission of the 501 00:24:59,823 --> 00:25:02,612 year and just kills him. 502 00:25:02,612 --> 00:25:05,981 And then we see the budding romance, office romance between 503 00:25:06,301 --> 00:25:07,565 pam and jim. 504 00:25:07,565 --> 00:25:08,787 We see that. 505 00:25:08,787 --> 00:25:11,932 So yeah, it's, like I said, good episode. 506 00:25:11,932 --> 00:25:14,182 If you haven't watched it, go back and watch it. 507 00:25:14,182 --> 00:25:18,009 And you we've talked about before some of these episodes 508 00:25:18,410 --> 00:25:21,799 you can't even find online anymore or they're edited, like 509 00:25:21,819 --> 00:25:24,782 when you watch it on Comedy Central or what have you. 510 00:25:24,782 --> 00:25:29,268 They've edited entire lines and scenes out. 511 00:25:29,268 --> 00:25:32,730 Which sort of leaves when you know it's supposed to be there. 512 00:25:32,730 --> 00:25:35,574 It sort of leaves the. 513 00:25:36,335 --> 00:25:37,036 You know it's one of those. 514 00:25:37,076 --> 00:25:40,182 Speaker 3: Han shot first things If you're a certain age, you 515 00:25:40,242 --> 00:25:41,365 know who shot first. 516 00:25:41,365 --> 00:25:42,750 Han shot first. 517 00:25:42,849 --> 00:25:43,632 Speaker 2: Han shot first. 518 00:25:44,141 --> 00:25:45,991 Speaker 3: I will say I was watching Comedy Central and they 519 00:25:45,991 --> 00:25:47,981 were doing a replay of the Office and they went. 520 00:25:47,981 --> 00:25:51,411 They jumped from the pilot straight to episode three. 521 00:25:51,411 --> 00:25:54,148 They didn't even do Diversity Day when they were broadcasting 522 00:25:54,169 --> 00:25:54,871 the marathon. 523 00:25:54,871 --> 00:25:56,039 I was like that was an interesting move. 524 00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:57,240 So, yeah, because I mean I watch it and I watch it from and 525 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:57,980 they were broadcasting the marathon. 526 00:25:57,980 --> 00:25:59,020 I was like that was an interesting move. 527 00:25:59,020 --> 00:26:01,082 So, yeah, because I mean I watch it and I watch it from the 528 00:26:01,082 --> 00:26:05,903 perspective of like Michael is acting inappropriately. 529 00:26:05,903 --> 00:26:08,825 Everything he is doing is inappropriate and that is the 530 00:26:08,865 --> 00:26:09,205 joke. 531 00:26:09,546 --> 00:26:09,645 Speaker 1: Yes. 532 00:26:09,665 --> 00:26:09,826 Speaker 3: Like. 533 00:26:09,826 --> 00:26:13,307 The joke is that he is being inappropriate. 534 00:26:13,487 --> 00:26:14,347 Speaker 2: But he doesn't get that. 535 00:26:14,347 --> 00:26:16,788 He is, by any stretch of the imagination, he's oblivious. 536 00:26:17,709 --> 00:26:20,670 Speaker 3: Correct, and that's why I'm always like huh, like I 537 00:26:20,690 --> 00:26:22,530 always just kind of cock my head a little and be like, well, 538 00:26:22,550 --> 00:26:25,092 that's weird that they like just skipped that episode completely 539 00:26:25,092 --> 00:26:25,092 . 540 00:26:25,092 --> 00:26:27,573 But I also, I get it, I guess. 541 00:26:27,573 --> 00:26:28,613 Well, it's also. 542 00:26:28,673 --> 00:26:31,634 Speaker 2: Comedy Central who puts out South Park and some 543 00:26:31,733 --> 00:26:31,933 other. 544 00:26:31,933 --> 00:26:37,817 A lot more challenging things, I guess I don't know what the 545 00:26:37,856 --> 00:26:38,537 right word would be. 546 00:26:38,537 --> 00:26:41,538 A lot more racy things than even this. 547 00:26:41,538 --> 00:26:48,411 But yeah, to see this episode not in that list. 548 00:26:48,431 --> 00:26:49,894 Speaker 3: I did want to say really quick. 549 00:26:49,894 --> 00:26:55,117 All the points in this episode were Michael, I love Michael, I 550 00:26:55,157 --> 00:26:55,299 do. 551 00:26:55,299 --> 00:26:59,480 I think we always talk about Michael being the epitome of a 552 00:26:59,641 --> 00:27:03,324 really great individual contributor who just is promoted 553 00:27:03,324 --> 00:27:06,287 into a management position because of their performance and 554 00:27:06,287 --> 00:27:07,928 not because of their leadership abilities. 555 00:27:07,928 --> 00:27:11,171 And there are so many points in this episode where he should 556 00:27:11,872 --> 00:27:17,236 have been termed at the first iteration of his rendition of 557 00:27:17,336 --> 00:27:18,517 the Chris Rock joke. 558 00:27:18,517 --> 00:27:23,200 He should have been then termed when he signed the form. 559 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,868 He didn't take it seriously and he signed the form Daffy Duck. 560 00:27:25,868 --> 00:27:29,631 He should have been termed when he threw this atrociously 561 00:27:31,075 --> 00:27:34,528 abhorrent training that he decided to do on his own. 562 00:27:34,528 --> 00:27:38,391 There are so many steps in this episode where I was like what 563 00:27:38,411 --> 00:27:39,602 are you doing, toby? 564 00:27:39,602 --> 00:27:41,045 Like what are you doing back there? 565 00:27:43,209 --> 00:27:46,941 Speaker 2: He's thinking about Kelly and Pam a little too much 566 00:27:47,020 --> 00:27:47,442 back there. 567 00:27:47,501 --> 00:27:50,308 Speaker 3: Oh, that's right, he does have the hots for Pam. 568 00:27:50,528 --> 00:27:50,950 Speaker 2: Yeah. 569 00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:54,611 So yeah, I don't think we find that out for like years to come, 570 00:27:54,611 --> 00:27:55,958 though yeah, he's kind of a creeper about it for like years 571 00:27:55,978 --> 00:27:56,259 to come, though. 572 00:27:56,259 --> 00:27:59,951 Yeah, he's kind of a creeper about it. 573 00:27:59,951 --> 00:28:03,971 Yeah, those will be some good episodes too that we do to cover 574 00:28:03,971 --> 00:28:04,535 some of those things. 575 00:28:04,535 --> 00:28:09,932 Yeah, so what's on the agenda next for? 576 00:28:09,932 --> 00:28:11,890 Do you have any episodes online ? 577 00:28:11,890 --> 00:28:12,515 Oh, really quick. 578 00:28:12,515 --> 00:28:13,018 One more thing. 579 00:28:13,018 --> 00:28:13,279 Oh, go ahead. 580 00:28:13,420 --> 00:28:15,188 Speaker 3: One more thing I wanted to add before we moved on 581 00:28:15,188 --> 00:28:15,188 . 582 00:28:15,188 --> 00:28:18,382 One of the things I wanted to say was, when we're talking 583 00:28:18,422 --> 00:28:21,442 about training and development, when you're talking about these 584 00:28:21,502 --> 00:28:25,792 kinds of situations like race, like diversity and inclusion, 585 00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:28,826 and there are certain things that, unless you have a 586 00:28:28,885 --> 00:28:33,321 dedicated learning professional in-house, there are certain 587 00:28:33,383 --> 00:28:36,480 things that you should not touch with a 10-foot pole and you 588 00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:40,644 should probably outsource to an expert and I think about that 589 00:28:40,726 --> 00:28:43,712 when I watch this episode that the company did the right thing 590 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,686 by outsourcing this to diversity today. 591 00:28:47,686 --> 00:28:53,384 But again, michael, thinking he knows better, just railroads 592 00:28:53,403 --> 00:28:58,013 the situation and makes it really inappropriate and, in my 593 00:28:58,054 --> 00:28:59,196 opinion, kind of fireable. 594 00:28:59,196 --> 00:29:01,521 So, oh yeah, lesson to be learned. 595 00:29:01,521 --> 00:29:04,529 There are certain things that you probably should get an 596 00:29:04,650 --> 00:29:09,407 external person involved if your company is not equipped with an 597 00:29:09,407 --> 00:29:11,673 lnd team and I don't think dunder mifflin is. 598 00:29:12,902 --> 00:29:14,404 Speaker 2: I really don't think they are either. 599 00:29:14,404 --> 00:29:19,973 And another thing thing where you can take managers they're 600 00:29:19,993 --> 00:29:24,893 doing their own wild wild west of training and development that 601 00:29:24,893 --> 00:29:25,515 you don't. 602 00:29:25,515 --> 00:29:28,724 You know, maybe they're doing something very functional for 603 00:29:29,145 --> 00:29:29,728 their team. 604 00:29:29,728 --> 00:29:31,452 Bring HR in the loop. 605 00:29:31,452 --> 00:29:34,761 Just, you know, I was explaining to somebody the other 606 00:29:34,761 --> 00:29:34,981 day. 607 00:29:34,981 --> 00:29:37,606 My job is not to get in the way . 608 00:29:37,606 --> 00:29:40,692 I want to support what you're doing, but give me all the info 609 00:29:40,711 --> 00:29:42,015 I need so I can support it. 610 00:29:42,015 --> 00:29:44,624 If you want to make a personnel move, you want to let someone 611 00:29:44,663 --> 00:29:50,252 go my goal, I want to support you, but you have to give me 612 00:29:50,292 --> 00:29:55,525 what I need to support you, because this person thought that 613 00:29:55,525 --> 00:29:58,952 I was going to be a roadblock for them removing somebody who 614 00:29:58,980 --> 00:30:03,851 needed to be removed, and I'm like no, no, just I want to 615 00:30:03,871 --> 00:30:06,241 support you, I want to support the company, but you have to 616 00:30:06,301 --> 00:30:08,507 give me what I want first. 617 00:30:09,067 --> 00:30:13,461 And it scares me to death to think that there are line 618 00:30:13,481 --> 00:30:16,709 managers out there doing their own training, even if it's 619 00:30:16,769 --> 00:30:19,516 functional training, line managers out there doing their 620 00:30:19,816 --> 00:30:21,118 own training, even if it's functional training. 621 00:30:21,118 --> 00:30:24,222 Hey, you're a machine operator, you do? 622 00:30:24,222 --> 00:30:24,624 You know to do this? 623 00:30:24,624 --> 00:30:24,904 A, b, c, d, e, f, g. 624 00:30:24,904 --> 00:30:26,289 Let us know, give us a heads up , you know, just so we know. 625 00:30:26,289 --> 00:30:29,339 And if we have more questions, or maybe there's something they 626 00:30:29,380 --> 00:30:31,624 didn't think about, maybe, hey, osha, let's talk a little bit 627 00:30:31,644 --> 00:30:32,204 about OSHA. 628 00:30:32,204 --> 00:30:35,269 This might be a good time to bring something up along those 629 00:30:35,369 --> 00:30:37,732 lines Get HR involved. 630 00:30:37,732 --> 00:30:38,775 We're not the bad guy. 631 00:30:40,340 --> 00:30:42,227 Speaker 3: It's funny that you mentioned that, because a friend 632 00:30:42,227 --> 00:30:47,082 of mine who is a she's a DE&I professional with a company. 633 00:30:47,082 --> 00:30:53,896 I guess her company's benefit department sent out this thing 634 00:30:54,116 --> 00:30:56,122 for autism awareness. 635 00:30:56,784 --> 00:31:01,537 Because we're in autism awareness and I guess they do a 636 00:31:01,857 --> 00:31:05,666 monthly newsletter in the benefits department and whoever 637 00:31:05,686 --> 00:31:08,821 the benefits person was just earnestly copy and pasted 638 00:31:08,882 --> 00:31:12,195 something that a benefits provider sent to them and one of 639 00:31:12,195 --> 00:31:17,867 their vendors sent and it went out and apparently it had a lot 640 00:31:17,907 --> 00:31:23,162 of things in there that was well , people with autism they don't 641 00:31:23,442 --> 00:31:27,891 deal well in public situations and they don't do well counting 642 00:31:27,971 --> 00:31:32,305 money and they don't like all of these really archaic things 643 00:31:32,365 --> 00:31:35,750 that she just pulled from anywhere without thinking about 644 00:31:35,809 --> 00:31:35,869 it. 645 00:31:36,671 --> 00:31:40,582 And luckily it was a live document, because as soon as my 646 00:31:40,642 --> 00:31:44,471 friend got wind of it she called up and she's like no, no, no, 647 00:31:44,770 --> 00:31:46,240 no, no, no, we need to change it . 648 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:51,051 And basically had her own copy in place because like way better 649 00:31:51,051 --> 00:31:53,284 , and it was all about neurodivergency and stuff like 650 00:31:53,304 --> 00:31:56,972 that, and yeah, it was like it could have been a really bad 651 00:31:57,059 --> 00:31:58,240 situation, but they caught it. 652 00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,060 So not a lot of people saw it, but yeah, it was like it could 653 00:31:59,020 --> 00:31:59,519 have been a really bad situation , but they caught it. 654 00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:00,923 So not a lot of people saw it. 655 00:32:00,923 --> 00:32:04,352 But again, people in the organization do things that are 656 00:32:04,392 --> 00:32:11,395 very well intended and including the DEI person is not a 657 00:32:11,476 --> 00:32:14,541 roadblock, but it's like a partnership so that you can say 658 00:32:14,642 --> 00:32:19,329 things that aren't either outdated or insulting or 659 00:32:19,369 --> 00:32:21,875 whatever, like all this stuff. 660 00:32:21,875 --> 00:32:27,073 So that's, yeah, that could have been a really bad situation 661 00:32:27,073 --> 00:32:27,073 . 662 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,369 Speaker 2: And you know neurodiversity and autism are 663 00:32:32,590 --> 00:32:34,054 some of my hot button topics. 664 00:32:34,054 --> 00:32:42,693 Hot button topics and I'm particularly because when 665 00:32:42,713 --> 00:32:50,121 someone goes down that road I have knowledge and experience 666 00:32:50,141 --> 00:32:51,323 with dealing with it. 667 00:32:51,323 --> 00:32:53,826 And I will say originally I was finding so much stuff about 668 00:32:53,846 --> 00:32:56,550 just autism and about it was just blatantly false or it was 669 00:32:56,991 --> 00:33:02,190 stereotypical type stuff and it's not true. 670 00:33:02,190 --> 00:33:06,589 And now I think over the years people have sort of gotten in 671 00:33:06,650 --> 00:33:08,053 line with it a little bit better . 672 00:33:08,053 --> 00:33:12,269 But yeah, that's a hot button topic we can definitely cross in 673 00:33:12,269 --> 00:33:14,012 a regular episode. 674 00:33:14,153 --> 00:33:16,741 Speaker 3: Hey, I'm on, I'm on that neurodiversity train, 675 00:33:16,781 --> 00:33:17,364 choo-choo. 676 00:33:22,622 --> 00:33:24,425 Speaker 2: So I think we should just go straight into episode 677 00:33:24,465 --> 00:33:26,189 three, the healthcare episode. 678 00:33:26,796 --> 00:33:31,922 Oh, the healthcare episode yeah, it's straight up HR alley. 679 00:33:31,922 --> 00:33:36,777 I think there's some that won't be quite as HR-ish, but you can 680 00:33:36,777 --> 00:33:42,907 take any episode at all and turn it into HR with this. 681 00:33:42,907 --> 00:33:44,416 I'm looking at episode six. 682 00:33:44,416 --> 00:33:48,146 Hot Girl oh, you can definitely Hot Girl, that's right. 683 00:33:48,146 --> 00:33:50,161 I mean, I'm just looking Down the list here. 684 00:33:50,161 --> 00:33:53,037 There's nothing I could say, oh , we could skip this one. 685 00:33:53,037 --> 00:33:57,326 The Dundee Awards oh, that might have to be a two-episode 686 00:33:57,366 --> 00:33:58,277 special for us. 687 00:33:58,277 --> 00:33:59,986 And then oh, then the dundies. 688 00:33:59,986 --> 00:34:02,896 Yeah, oh, that's season two, episode one. 689 00:34:02,896 --> 00:34:06,884 And then sexual harassment and I'm looking at the list, if I, 690 00:34:07,826 --> 00:34:10,639 if I can find it, I swear, somewhere online. 691 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,967 Conan o'brien, in one of his podcasts or conan o'brien needs 692 00:34:13,987 --> 00:34:18,101 a friend says that they actually play excerpts from the sexual 693 00:34:18,141 --> 00:34:22,188 harassment all of his sexual harassment at NBC for preventing 694 00:34:22,188 --> 00:34:23,309 sexual harassment. 695 00:34:23,309 --> 00:34:26,644 I was like that is so, so good, whatever. 696 00:34:26,644 --> 00:34:29,204 So anyways, yeah, we'll definitely. 697 00:34:29,204 --> 00:34:33,336 I don't see it episode to skip in season one though, as we're 698 00:34:33,356 --> 00:34:33,838 looking down at. 699 00:34:33,838 --> 00:34:36,306 But healthcare should definitely be the. 700 00:34:36,306 --> 00:34:41,420 We'll be doing that one in May, so stay tuned for that. 701 00:34:41,420 --> 00:34:43,407 Y'all Awesome. 702 00:34:44,456 --> 00:34:47,364 Well, I think these are a lot of fun. 703 00:34:47,364 --> 00:34:50,143 I hope we can get back to doing them regularly, once a month, 704 00:34:50,534 --> 00:34:55,050 and if you have any ideas for shows, and this isn't just going 705 00:34:55,050 --> 00:34:56,514 to be limited to the Office. 706 00:34:56,514 --> 00:34:58,923 I think Office Space has some. 707 00:34:58,923 --> 00:35:01,596 We ought to do a rewatch on Office Space. 708 00:35:01,596 --> 00:35:04,302 There's so many shows that we could bring in. 709 00:35:04,302 --> 00:35:06,105 I mentioned Big Bang Theory. 710 00:35:06,105 --> 00:35:07,547 They have their. 711 00:35:07,547 --> 00:35:10,500 Wolowitz always seems to be in HR's office. 712 00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:12,003 Regina King, who is? 713 00:35:12,003 --> 00:35:15,918 You know, she's a great person for the. 714 00:35:15,918 --> 00:35:19,065 I don't know her name in the show, I just know she's the HR 715 00:35:19,106 --> 00:35:19,547 person. 716 00:35:19,547 --> 00:35:24,483 And yeah, there's some other great shows that have some HR 717 00:35:24,543 --> 00:35:25,626 implications with that. 718 00:35:25,646 --> 00:35:27,797 Speaker 3: So, yeah, yeah, I'm a big fan. 719 00:35:27,797 --> 00:35:31,106 I don't know if any of the listeners heard of the show 720 00:35:31,146 --> 00:35:31,726 Superstore. 721 00:35:31,726 --> 00:35:35,106 I think Superstore is great, especially if you work, either 722 00:35:35,527 --> 00:35:38,737 if your industry is the retail industry, and especially if you 723 00:35:38,757 --> 00:35:40,221 work on the corporate end of retail. 724 00:35:40,221 --> 00:35:43,597 That is a fantastic show to watch Because there's a lot of 725 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,208 them versus us as far as corporate versus floor workers, 726 00:35:48,635 --> 00:35:52,925 and I think there's a lot of really funny but good takeaways 727 00:35:53,005 --> 00:35:53,565 from that. 728 00:35:53,565 --> 00:35:55,762 And it's the same thing If you like the Office and you like 729 00:35:55,802 --> 00:35:57,454 Parks and Recreation, it's the same creators. 730 00:35:57,454 --> 00:36:01,045 I also think parks and recreation like that whole 731 00:36:01,105 --> 00:36:03,768 government piece of, like the government working for local 732 00:36:03,809 --> 00:36:04,710 government or something like that. 733 00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:06,639 They have a lot of great episodes too. 734 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,782 Speaker 2: So I, I love me some, ron Swanson. 735 00:36:09,782 --> 00:36:12,023 I feel like I'm Ron Swanson half the time. 736 00:36:12,023 --> 00:36:14,612 Put those tears back in your eyes where they belong, and 737 00:36:14,632 --> 00:36:15,074 things like that. 738 00:36:15,094 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 3: Put those tears back in your eyes where they belong. 739 00:36:18,041 --> 00:36:21,126 Speaker 2: I can quote Ron Swanson as much as I can pretty 740 00:36:21,146 --> 00:36:22,449 much any other shows. 741 00:36:22,449 --> 00:36:27,063 But anyways, listeners, if you have any ideas, let us know. 742 00:36:27,063 --> 00:36:29,213 We want to definitely make this , you know, expand this a little 743 00:36:29,213 --> 00:36:29,315 bit. 744 00:36:29,315 --> 00:36:32,943 Maybe it'll be more than once a month we do an office rewatch 745 00:36:32,965 --> 00:36:33,746 or a TV show. 746 00:36:33,746 --> 00:36:35,561 If it's not the office, a rewatch of some sort. 747 00:36:36,557 --> 00:36:38,898 Speaker 3: So anyways, thanks for it's pop culture through the 748 00:36:38,898 --> 00:36:40,222 lens of HR. 749 00:36:40,742 --> 00:36:44,681 Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, so thank you for listening y'all. 750 00:36:44,681 --> 00:36:48,179 We'll be back in another month, with the end of May, with a 751 00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:49,021 healthcare episode. 752 00:36:49,021 --> 00:36:51,039 So, as always, I'm Warren. 753 00:36:51,943 --> 00:36:52,605 Speaker 3: I'm Cece. 754 00:36:52,865 --> 00:36:55,132 Speaker 2: And we're here helping you survive HR one. 755 00:36:55,132 --> 00:37:02,376 What the fuck moment at a time.