WEBVTT 00:00:02.023 --> 00:00:09.814 Had you actually read the email, you would know that the podcast you are about to listen to could contain explicit language and offensive content. 00:00:09.814 --> 00:00:16.480 These HR experts' views are not representative of their past, present or future employers. 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:19.687 If you have ever heard my manager is unfair to me. 00:00:19.687 --> 00:00:26.548 I need you to reset my HR portal password, or Can I write up my employee for crying too much? 00:00:26.548 --> 00:00:28.827 Welcome to our little safe zone. 00:00:50.137 --> 00:00:57.347 Welcome to Jaded HR, the podcast by two HR professionals who want to help you get through the workday by saying everything you're thinking, but say it out loud. 00:00:57.347 --> 00:00:57.969 I'm Warren. 00:00:59.152 --> 00:00:59.753 I'm Cece. 00:01:00.619 --> 00:01:04.332 Okay, at long last, here comes your Diversity Day episode. 00:01:04.332 --> 00:01:11.962 In the last episode we said it's been about two months that we've been saying this one's coming, and I just got to the point where I can't edit it. 00:01:11.962 --> 00:01:12.823 I don't have the time. 00:01:12.823 --> 00:01:14.969 It'll be quicker and easier just to rerecord. 00:01:14.969 --> 00:01:20.307 So that's what we're doing and you will have this You're listening to this hopefully towards the end of April. 00:01:20.307 --> 00:01:26.335 So yay, us, yay Showing how the sausage is made. 00:01:26.420 --> 00:01:27.141 Yeah, exactly. 00:01:27.522 --> 00:01:30.852 I think that going forward, though, we'll have these much more regularly. 00:01:30.852 --> 00:01:35.087 The third episode of every month, like we said, we're going to as well. 00:01:35.087 --> 00:01:41.263 So, yeah, so Diversity Day, it's season one, episode two. 00:01:41.263 --> 00:01:51.316 It really sets the tone once again for how far the office can go and how far they can't go. 00:01:51.316 --> 00:02:00.754 They couldn't go today as well, so do you want to set the episode up a little further or just go whatever comes up to our mind? 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:02.942 Yeah, so I'll set it up. 00:02:02.942 --> 00:02:04.527 Comes up to our mind yeah, so I'll set it up. 00:02:04.527 --> 00:02:19.534 So Michael, the fearless leader of Dunder Mifflin, has made some inappropriate jokes in the office and we find out later that it's a rendition of a Chris Rock joke and apparently this has made people feel uncomfortable. 00:02:19.534 --> 00:02:25.163 So they have hired an external trainer to come in and do and talk about diversity. 00:02:25.163 --> 00:02:28.306 So two things off the top of my mind. 00:02:28.306 --> 00:02:30.508 I am a huge fan of the Office. 00:02:30.508 --> 00:02:39.175 I have seen this episode a thousand times, yet I have never actually done the digging to see the Chris Rock skit that he's talking about. 00:02:39.175 --> 00:02:45.751 So I did, okay, and I'm like oh, you cannot do this in an office, michael. 00:02:45.751 --> 00:02:49.229 No, no, no, so, yeah. 00:02:49.229 --> 00:02:53.812 So it's a very inappropriate thing to try to reenact in an office. 00:02:55.161 --> 00:02:57.205 Especially as maybe a middle-aged white guy. 00:02:58.469 --> 00:03:00.443 Especially, yeah, middle-aged white guy. 00:03:00.443 --> 00:03:03.284 No, it's just in bad taste. 00:03:03.284 --> 00:03:07.383 Don't do it, mainly because, I don't know. 00:03:07.383 --> 00:03:08.889 I think they kind of get to it because they bleep him. 00:03:08.889 --> 00:03:13.645 But he does drop the n-word in the joke and it seems like michael was doing it verbatim. 00:03:13.645 --> 00:03:15.831 Yeah, so, and it's a lot. 00:03:15.831 --> 00:03:18.800 So, please, that is incredibly inappropriate, michael. 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:29.336 So, yeah, so then they bring in this expert in diversity His name is Mr Brown to come in and do this diversity training. 00:03:30.181 --> 00:03:34.792 And I will say I love the casting of Mr Brown, whoever he is. 00:03:34.792 --> 00:03:36.787 I've seen him in something else before. 00:03:36.787 --> 00:03:46.926 I keep meaning to go to IMDB and search what I've seen him in, but I swear I've seen him in something, but he's perfect for the role. 00:03:46.926 --> 00:03:48.270 He. 00:03:48.270 --> 00:03:57.889 He sells me on the fact that he's a diversity consultant and he handles Michael beautifully so good. 00:03:57.889 --> 00:04:04.849 And this is thing Michael isn't used to being handled at all, but much less like this. 00:04:04.849 --> 00:04:10.068 I love when he says well, actually, would you give me permission to take lead on this? 00:04:10.068 --> 00:04:14.788 So Michael still has control, but he really can't say no in front of everybody with that. 00:04:14.788 --> 00:04:15.490 I love that. 00:04:15.490 --> 00:04:19.024 And then he said oh, this would work better too if you would sit down as well. 00:04:19.024 --> 00:04:21.288 I just the way he handled. 00:04:21.668 --> 00:04:34.555 Michael was just, you know, perfect and he sold me on that he's a diversity consultant the tone and the way he was talking and things like that. 00:04:34.555 --> 00:04:39.113 But I keep going back to A. 00:04:39.113 --> 00:04:50.435 You couldn't do this episode today and you know you're watching Peacock and since we two months ago, when we did our last rewatch episode, it says 20th anniversary all over the office on Peacock. 00:04:50.435 --> 00:04:52.966 Now I'm like- that's incredible 20 years ago. 00:04:53.208 --> 00:04:57.197 Yeah, it is incredible and it's still relevant for the most part. 00:04:57.197 --> 00:05:00.870 I can't see a major studio like NBC doing some of the stuff that they're. 00:05:00.870 --> 00:05:05.439 It would be something that would be straight to Peacock or, you know, back in the day it would be straight to DVD. 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:09.673 But now it'd be something that goes straight to the streaming. 00:05:09.673 --> 00:05:13.586 Versus what they put on the actual shows, it's a little. 00:05:13.586 --> 00:05:17.416 It's a little racy and they play it so safe nowadays. 00:05:17.416 --> 00:05:19.290 So it's, it's really. 00:05:19.446 --> 00:05:21.805 I will say cause this it's a good point you brought up. 00:05:21.884 --> 00:05:38.958 This was brought up in 2000 and or this was released in 2005 and one of the main things that he had said, mr Brown had said and and yes, you're right, I, that is an actor who I completely believe is a training belongs in the training industry. 00:05:38.958 --> 00:06:02.572 He does the job so well, but there was, you know, at the at the beginning of the training, when he's kind of handling michael, michael's kind of defensive, but not really, and he's just like this is a color-free zone, we don't see color, and he stops him and he goes no, no, saying that is fighting ignorance with ignorance and we want to celebrate diversity and for me that was 2005. 00:06:02.572 --> 00:06:09.420 And that was kind of ahead of its time because that's how we understand diversity, equity and inclusion now. 00:06:09.420 --> 00:06:14.675 So like, and that's not how I don't think that's how that was handled back then. 00:06:14.675 --> 00:06:16.137 I want to be really transparent. 00:06:16.137 --> 00:06:34.495 I was in my, a college student, but I'm going to assume it was not dealt in the same way. 00:06:34.495 --> 00:06:36.812 So I think that this was a little ahead of its time. 00:06:37.904 --> 00:06:42.084 It really was because I was working in 2005. 00:06:42.084 --> 00:06:53.718 I was working in HR in 2005 when this came out and, yeah, diversity, I don't think we had done, I'd ever done, an actual diversity training. 00:06:53.718 --> 00:06:59.033 By that point, yeah, I don't think it was a thing back then. 00:06:59.033 --> 00:07:01.218 So, who knows, who knows with it? 00:07:01.218 --> 00:07:06.196 So, oh man, I'm actually trying to pull up the actor's name. 00:07:06.196 --> 00:07:12.033 I'm on the imdb right now trying to see, but it I don't think he's listed. 00:07:12.033 --> 00:07:18.735 Anyways, I'll keep on going, I'll edit this stuff out, but anyways I I think it is ahead of his time. 00:07:18.735 --> 00:07:23.817 The training they did, but the whole we okay, you've already said the reason why they're trained. 00:07:23.817 --> 00:07:29.682 So he passes out these cards to everybody in the group there and says there was an incident. 00:07:29.682 --> 00:07:33.211 Why don't you tell me about an incident that made you uncomfortable recently? 00:07:33.211 --> 00:07:41.470 And just as predicted, because a good consultant who does something like that, just like an attorney, you don't ask a question you don't know the answer to. 00:07:41.470 --> 00:07:43.779 This guy knew the answer he was going to get. 00:07:43.779 --> 00:07:44.343 It looks like. 00:07:44.343 --> 00:07:45.307 Oh, a question you don't know the answer to. 00:07:45.307 --> 00:07:46.348 This guy knew the answer he was going to get. 00:07:46.348 --> 00:07:51.906 It looks like we all gave the same answer on a recent, which is exactly why I'm here, michael and things like that. 00:07:51.906 --> 00:07:54.048 So it was perfect. 00:07:54.048 --> 00:07:58.797 It really was well done across the board. 00:07:59.598 --> 00:08:01.339 Okay, his name is Larry Wilmore. 00:08:01.339 --> 00:08:03.028 Mr Brown is Larry Wilmore. 00:08:03.028 --> 00:08:03.891 Let me see what else. 00:08:03.891 --> 00:08:06.435 He was in the Facts of Life in 1979. 00:08:06.435 --> 00:08:07.117 I love that show. 00:08:07.117 --> 00:08:13.197 Lisa Welch was one of my very first crushes as a little kid on the Facts of Life. 00:08:13.197 --> 00:08:15.291 He was on Sledgehammer. 00:08:15.291 --> 00:08:16.829 I loved that show as well. 00:08:16.829 --> 00:08:17.713 I'm trying to see what else. 00:08:17.713 --> 00:08:21.545 Grown-ish, black-ish yeah, he's been around. 00:08:21.545 --> 00:08:23.906 He was on the Fresh Prince of Bella Also. 00:08:23.906 --> 00:08:26.567 Oh, no, that was 1995, not 2005. 00:08:26.567 --> 00:08:29.990 He was on Living Color, so 62 episodes. 00:08:29.990 --> 00:08:32.671 Oh, he was a major character in Living Color. 00:08:32.671 --> 00:08:37.573 So anyways, I knew I recognized him, I just couldn't put it together or where. 00:08:37.573 --> 00:08:39.975 From Bernie Mac Show 104 episodes. 00:08:40.014 --> 00:08:44.976 So yeah, oh, he had his own show on Comedy Central, the Nightly Show with Larry Wilmore. 00:08:44.976 --> 00:08:45.717 Oh, okay. 00:08:46.337 --> 00:08:47.317 Yep, I see there too. 00:08:47.317 --> 00:08:51.321 Yeah, okay, but he killed that role. 00:08:51.321 --> 00:08:53.662 He did he did so good. 00:08:54.442 --> 00:08:57.342 He also did so good handling Dwight oh Dwight. 00:09:05.206 --> 00:09:06.448 When Dwight would say what was it? 00:09:06.448 --> 00:09:06.570 When? 00:09:06.570 --> 00:09:08.755 He was like okay, can we talk about races, talk about gays, homosexuality or yeah, or the gays. 00:09:08.755 --> 00:09:10.421 Whatever he said, yeah, I don't know what he says. 00:09:10.421 --> 00:09:12.928 That's not a race that's not a race. 00:09:14.251 --> 00:09:22.873 He turns around and mr brown is just like well, we only have an hour yeah, I'm sure he's like. 00:09:23.214 --> 00:09:34.546 I can make billable hours forever in this office, the cash coming in and and mike michael, you know, when he's trying to take over and lead the thing, he goes. 00:09:34.546 --> 00:09:41.330 Why don't we start by everybody going around the room and saying the the races were sexually attracted to? 00:09:41.330 --> 00:09:48.168 Oh my god and of course they go straight to dwight, who's sitting right beside mindy kelly. 00:09:48.168 --> 00:09:48.429 What's her? 00:09:48.429 --> 00:09:50.433 Name kelly kelly sitting right beside kelly. 00:09:50.433 --> 00:09:56.792 It says I'm attracted to whites and indians, and she like side eyes. 00:09:56.832 --> 00:09:58.615 Him like this is uncomfortable. 00:09:58.735 --> 00:10:02.831 It's creepy on so many different levels. 00:10:02.831 --> 00:10:10.856 It's creepy and it's a and it's a Dwight, it's a complete Dwight Schrute type of thing to say, and oh. 00:10:11.404 --> 00:10:26.750 But the funny thing is I've been in situations where I'm doing a training and someone says something so off the wall, and you're like in your mind that made sense, but you didn't really consider the audience you're sitting in front of, and then you have to kind of pivot. 00:10:26.750 --> 00:10:33.056 And he did such a good job pivoting so I was like, oh, like again, great, great trainer. 00:10:34.687 --> 00:10:38.174 But yeah, the training and it comes out. 00:10:38.174 --> 00:10:39.817 You know, everybody has to sign a form. 00:10:39.817 --> 00:10:41.150 They participated in the training. 00:10:41.150 --> 00:10:43.493 And Michael says, oh, I'm not going to sign this. 00:10:43.493 --> 00:10:45.590 This says I actually learned something. 00:10:45.590 --> 00:10:46.874 I didn't learn anything. 00:10:46.874 --> 00:10:48.397 You can put that taught something. 00:10:48.904 --> 00:10:54.436 Michael's trying to wrangle attention and make this about him as per usual. 00:10:54.436 --> 00:10:59.578 The kids would say and once again, mr Brown, michael, can we talk about this? 00:10:59.578 --> 00:11:04.711 And he'd go into Michael's office behind closed doors and the whole reason I'm here is just for you. 00:11:04.711 --> 00:11:11.769 Yeah, and I didn't want to single you out or anything, I tried to do this, but I need your signature. 00:11:11.769 --> 00:11:12.813 And of course, what? 00:11:12.813 --> 00:11:17.971 After reading it, michael signs it as Daffy duck, so many terminal offenses. 00:11:17.971 --> 00:11:22.947 I mean, do your investigation and say, okay, michael, you, you did this Chris Rock routine. 00:11:22.947 --> 00:11:35.288 Okay, yeah, it's time for you to oh, oh, even going back even further, when it first started, the episode started yeah, I've been wanting to have a diversity training in our office. 00:11:35.288 --> 00:11:36.933 For some I've been leading in charge. 00:11:36.933 --> 00:11:39.033 Well, I haven't actually spoken to anybody. 00:11:39.033 --> 00:11:45.065 And yeah, he's trying to take credit for something he absolutely had nothing to do with, so you know, it's trying to take credit for something he absolutely had nothing to do with. 00:11:45.625 --> 00:11:48.855 So you know his ego won't let him learn anything. 00:11:48.855 --> 00:11:53.332 His ego won't let him listen, and that's the that's the issue with Michael Scott. 00:11:53.794 --> 00:12:03.431 Yeah, so now I can say that the first round of diversity training is over and now we go into. 00:12:03.431 --> 00:12:13.660 Michael isn't satisfied, satisfied, so he's got to create his own diversity day part two, and he created a little video which I think. 00:12:13.681 --> 00:12:39.715 there's a couple other episodes where michael scott creates some videos and it's like 30 seconds long and I will say there was a point where he, after the after mr brown leaves, then he signed the paper, daffy Duck, he walks out of his office and he's being very cheeky about I vow to be honest and empathetic and then he rips it up, yeah, and he's like, oh wait, no, I actually do want to be those things, but. 00:12:39.715 --> 00:12:52.102 But I have been in situations, especially in training situations, where the leader does not believe in what we're doing, believes what we're doing is a waste of time and then will undermine everything you just did. 00:12:52.102 --> 00:12:59.557 When you leave the room and that was the one thing when Michael was doing that it got under my skin so bad. 00:12:59.557 --> 00:13:01.830 I was like just move on, man, let people work. 00:13:01.830 --> 00:13:04.638 Just move on, man, let people work. 00:13:04.958 --> 00:13:05.179 Yeah. 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:05.822 Just move on. 00:13:07.346 --> 00:13:10.155 Oh, if you haven't watched the episode, that's the whole gist of the show. 00:13:10.155 --> 00:13:11.710 Michael, doesn't let anybody work. 00:13:12.673 --> 00:13:13.095 He doesn't. 00:13:14.366 --> 00:13:15.110 How the heck. 00:13:15.110 --> 00:13:18.653 And they're apparently one of the best offices in all. 00:13:18.653 --> 00:13:20.817 Dunder Mifflin through everything. 00:13:20.985 --> 00:13:54.243 So anyways, but Michael does his own and you covered the video last time you I'll let you take the video what michael says oh yeah, he said diversity today or no, we are diversity tomorrow because today is almost over, which I love, like actually that's pretty good marketing he quotes abraham that's right. 00:13:54.243 --> 00:13:55.326 I forget what he said. 00:13:55.326 --> 00:13:57.851 Oh my gosh, Like if you're a racist. 00:13:58.500 --> 00:14:03.072 I'll send the army, the Northern Army, to attack and kill you, or something like that. 00:14:03.980 --> 00:14:04.620 That's right. 00:14:04.620 --> 00:14:07.783 Yes, according to Abraham Lincoln, if you're a racist. 00:14:07.783 --> 00:14:24.042 And okay, going back to the last episode and the the conferences and things. 00:14:24.964 --> 00:14:38.111 I I hate interactivity in conference things because in my opinion, it means you didn't have enough content to fill, so you were trying to waste time and have people do the stupid little things together and waste time, etc. 00:14:38.111 --> 00:14:39.870 So, anyways, oh, lauren, you're trying to waste time and have people do stupid little things together and waste time, etc. 00:14:39.909 --> 00:14:42.913 So, anyways, oh Warren, you're so jaded. 00:14:42.913 --> 00:14:45.755 That's what experiential learning is. 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:51.798 There's a difference between experiential learning and doing teamwork and group exercise. 00:14:51.798 --> 00:14:55.126 I don't think I've ever done one that I thought, oh, this was useful for something. 00:14:55.126 --> 00:15:00.822 No, it wasn't, but anyways thought, oh, this was useful for something. 00:15:00.822 --> 00:15:01.484 Now, it wasn't, but it was I will. 00:15:01.484 --> 00:15:02.586 I'll go back to the episode and talk about. 00:15:02.586 --> 00:15:10.371 So michael is talking about his heritage and the first thing he goes to is straight to oscar and asks you know, he wants him to tell us about your, you know, michael's, I'm. 00:15:10.371 --> 00:15:14.145 I'm english, scottish, german, whatever he is, and all. 00:15:14.145 --> 00:15:18.413 And so he goes straight to Oscar and says tell us about yourself. 00:15:20.179 --> 00:15:21.085 And Oscar clocks it. 00:15:21.085 --> 00:15:25.625 He's like, okay, like he's so smart, he knows what Michael's doing. 00:15:25.625 --> 00:15:33.047 He's like okay, well, my parents are from Mexico and they moved here before I was born, so I was raised here. 00:15:35.543 --> 00:15:39.691 And I loved it because, well, what do you want to? 00:15:39.691 --> 00:15:43.224 To be called, or I forget how he gets on the topic what do you want mexican? 00:15:43.224 --> 00:15:44.086 And he goes. 00:15:44.086 --> 00:15:45.431 Well, isn't that an offensive term? 00:15:46.421 --> 00:15:48.302 no, yes, doesn't it? 00:15:48.302 --> 00:15:50.144 Doesn't that have connotations? 00:15:50.144 --> 00:15:58.792 And he's like what connotations are you talking? 00:15:58.971 --> 00:16:04.177 and yeah, so I think the going around the room sort of stopped abruptly there. 00:16:04.177 --> 00:16:06.765 So good job, and then and then really quick. 00:16:06.966 --> 00:16:12.066 Kelly had to leave because she had a client meeting and then as she was leaving and kelly's indian. 00:16:12.066 --> 00:16:23.014 And as she was leaving, michael was like oh, and he goes, but if you leave, they'll only be two left, and he's obviously referring to Oscar, who's Mexican, and Stanley, who's black. 00:16:23.014 --> 00:16:26.404 So that was a really funny moment and she was like what? 00:16:26.404 --> 00:16:27.288 And he's like nevermind. 00:16:30.981 --> 00:16:37.908 Yeah and yeah, but those are the things I don't think you could say and do on network TV today. 00:16:37.908 --> 00:16:48.845 I think that they would have some sort of conniption on redoing the office like that and having those today. 00:16:48.845 --> 00:17:07.347 With all the crap going on in offices today and romances and all this other stuff, you know, wow, Not that romances didn't happen before, but with the digital world of everything, I think an HR office would be an excellent TV show idea where you get the HR team and their talk. 00:17:07.347 --> 00:17:11.241 You don't even have to see the perpetrators of all these offenses that we have to, you just have to. 00:17:11.241 --> 00:17:13.849 Oh my God, I got to deal with Tommy again. 00:17:13.849 --> 00:17:15.125 You know what is he. 00:17:15.125 --> 00:17:16.664 You know it was another. 00:17:19.205 --> 00:17:32.326 I would love a workplace comedy that was just the HR team and the different functions of HR and outside of that little ecosystem of all the stuff they have to deal with regularly and all of their regular offenders and all that kind of stuff. 00:17:32.326 --> 00:17:34.307 I think there's something there. 00:17:34.307 --> 00:17:37.444 I don't have time to write it, but if someone wants to write it, go ahead. 00:17:38.580 --> 00:17:41.807 Give us credit and some money, yeah just give me my royalty. 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:42.944 We'll timestamp this. 00:17:42.944 --> 00:17:47.799 This is how it went out, so you know it's fine, Sign contracts later. 00:17:49.102 --> 00:18:00.162 I started going down this part of the episode earlier, but we do finally get introduced to Toby, the office HR person, and you know you talk about your ratios, depending on your industry. 00:18:00.162 --> 00:18:16.705 I think they say it's supposed to be between one and 100, one hr person every 100 to 200 people, depending on the industry and what they got yeah include, you add the warehouse people, you've got 20 people there, dunder, miffin and he's got. 00:18:16.806 --> 00:18:22.595 hopefully he handles more than that, but he's walking in for Michael's diversity day and get out. 00:18:22.595 --> 00:18:28.059 Well, first Toby tries to make a snide comment Are you going to have a sit Indian style on the floor, michael? 00:18:28.059 --> 00:18:31.201 And you know trying to try to. 00:18:31.201 --> 00:18:33.063 Michael just says get out, get out. 00:18:33.063 --> 00:18:43.790 And you instantly get the relationship between Michael and Toby, who represents HR in the show. 00:18:43.790 --> 00:18:47.393 So that was really telling. 00:18:47.393 --> 00:18:49.075 So you only see Toby for what? 00:18:49.075 --> 00:18:51.957 30 seconds or so before he just turns on 30 seconds. 00:18:51.957 --> 00:18:53.377 I'm out. 00:18:58.900 --> 00:19:03.176 And, by the way, surprise that Toby, the HR person, is the one that used the term Indian style, isn't it crisscross applesauce yeah, isn't that what we're doing now? 00:19:03.238 --> 00:19:06.204 that's what it is now, and I tell you what I did. 00:19:06.204 --> 00:19:12.683 My daughter comes home from kindergarten or something like that, and talking about crisscross applesauce, I'm like what? 00:19:12.683 --> 00:19:16.429 And I was like, oh, okay, I get it. 00:19:16.429 --> 00:19:21.276 We can't say it's Indian style any longer, or what have you. 00:19:21.940 --> 00:19:25.849 Crisscross applesauce which to me sounds cuter. 00:19:25.849 --> 00:19:26.652 For kids it is cuter. 00:19:27.080 --> 00:19:28.346 Yeah, it's a cuter thing. 00:19:28.346 --> 00:19:29.825 It's marketed better. 00:19:31.160 --> 00:19:32.326 Yeah, it is marketed better. 00:19:33.700 --> 00:19:46.050 So the exercise the group exercise Michael comes up with is he has all these cards on a tray and he probably played a party game or something where there's something on it. 00:19:46.050 --> 00:19:51.192 You put something in your head and you're trying to get someone to say whatever word is on your head, or something like that. 00:19:51.843 --> 00:19:57.375 I've done a couple of things like that yeah, you got to get the person with the card on their head to guess what's on their card? 00:19:57.394 --> 00:19:58.258 Yeah, yeah. 00:19:58.459 --> 00:19:58.640 Yeah. 00:19:59.220 --> 00:20:04.011 Well, michael has all these quote unquote races of people, oh my gosh. 00:20:04.011 --> 00:20:09.468 And so everybody's walking around with these things on their head and most of them aren't races. 00:20:09.468 --> 00:20:12.787 There's one of them, jewish, one is Italian. 00:20:12.787 --> 00:20:14.626 Michael's wearing Martin Luther King. 00:20:14.626 --> 00:20:15.703 That's not a race. 00:20:16.827 --> 00:20:18.805 I know, because he's my hero. 00:20:18.825 --> 00:20:22.330 He's my hero and anyway. 00:20:22.330 --> 00:20:23.460 So that's the thing. 00:20:23.460 --> 00:20:24.363 And, of course, stanley. 00:20:24.363 --> 00:20:25.326 What did Stanley get? 00:20:25.326 --> 00:20:39.842 Stanley got black and his exercise is go, just walk around the room and talk to people like you would, according to whatever race is on their forehead, and Stanley and pam are saying hi, how are you doing? 00:20:39.842 --> 00:20:41.064 Oh, I'm doing good, how are you? 00:20:41.525 --> 00:20:50.450 they're having a typical conversation and michael hates that and yeah, he wants people to dig into the horrible stereotypes. 00:20:50.671 --> 00:20:56.431 Yeah, he's come on, we have the holocaust here versus slavery here and he's getting all into it. 00:20:56.431 --> 00:21:03.630 And that's when mike or, excuse me, staley discovers that he's got black boys and he's not too happy about it. 00:21:03.630 --> 00:21:18.851 And then pam and dwight get talking and I dwight is wearing, I think it says, chinese on his head asian, asian, it just says asian, okay, which is probably pretty advanced for that time 20 years ago. 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:27.989 But and Pam starts off like I really like your food and things like that and Michael's once again prompted no, you've really got to. 00:21:27.989 --> 00:21:39.876 And she's like okay if I have to give a completely untrue stereotypical because you can't drive and he goes, I'm a woman. 00:21:42.980 --> 00:21:43.762 I'm a woman, 'm a woman, and it was just. 00:21:43.762 --> 00:21:46.211 I do love, though, in the same interaction he walks up to pam and he's just like shalom. 00:21:46.211 --> 00:21:57.994 I would like to apply for a loan and I was like, oh my gosh, like dwight, it's such a bad exercise on so many levels, but dwight is in it to win it when you have a dwight you. 00:21:58.155 --> 00:22:10.130 You have to know your audience, like whoa he got frustrated because someone, I guess, hinted about rice and he's like a lot of cultures eat rice and he left that conversation and he just like wants to win. 00:22:10.130 --> 00:22:13.602 So bad, and it's just so funny oh. 00:22:13.741 --> 00:22:16.184 And then eric baumgartner's, kevin. 00:22:16.184 --> 00:22:23.213 Then you have Kevin talking to Angela Kinsley I can't remember her name. 00:22:23.213 --> 00:22:25.496 Angela, oh, angela, yeah. 00:22:25.496 --> 00:22:29.949 So Kevin is talking to Angela and he goes. 00:22:29.949 --> 00:22:32.625 You want to go to the beach, and she's like no. 00:22:32.625 --> 00:22:36.165 You want to get high man, and she's like no. 00:22:37.740 --> 00:22:44.150 I think you do man, I think you do Mon, I think you do man, it was just, it was the you know. 00:22:44.150 --> 00:22:48.650 Just watching it made me viscerally uncomfortable. 00:22:48.650 --> 00:22:56.250 I'm like there's so much in this room that's happening that is so wrong, and why is Michael still employed? 00:22:57.521 --> 00:22:58.887 So many terminable offenses. 00:22:58.887 --> 00:23:03.086 And then you mentioned Kelly had to leave for an important call. 00:23:03.086 --> 00:23:11.886 She comes back in the room and this is probably coming very close to equaling the Chris Rock incident. 00:23:11.886 --> 00:23:20.510 Yes, maybe she comes back to the room and he does if you watch Old Simpsons, as they took him off Abu character. 00:23:20.570 --> 00:23:22.013 Oh, Abu yeah. 00:23:22.180 --> 00:23:23.486 It does like the Abu character. 00:23:23.486 --> 00:23:27.669 You want some cookie and a horrible Indian accent like welcome to my convenience store. 00:23:27.669 --> 00:23:29.724 Whatever he's saying, and it was so bad. 00:23:29.724 --> 00:23:31.366 And Kelly's just like what, what? 00:23:31.366 --> 00:23:39.500 And she ends up hauling off and slapping him and she gets it Kelly Well them. 00:23:39.520 --> 00:23:41.065 and she gets it kelly well, kelly doesn't know what's going on. 00:23:41.065 --> 00:23:52.665 She just walks into the room she's not there, privy to the cards, she's not privy to anything and he just starts being insulting and stereotypical at her and she just slaps him across the face, which? 00:23:53.105 --> 00:23:53.807 rightfully so. 00:23:53.807 --> 00:23:54.767 Oh, absolutely. 00:23:54.767 --> 00:24:00.932 And like I said then he, you got to give credit to Michael. 00:24:01.133 --> 00:24:10.092 He thought quickly she gets it and he's she gets it, and then he says you now know what it is to feel racism or something. 00:24:10.092 --> 00:24:11.943 And it's, it was just. 00:24:11.943 --> 00:24:13.809 Oh, it was so cringy. 00:24:15.461 --> 00:24:19.573 It was like I said, it's a really good episode. 00:24:19.573 --> 00:24:23.070 I really enjoyed watching that one again. 00:24:23.070 --> 00:24:30.334 What a you know other side stories that aren't directly as HR cringeworthy that we see. 00:24:30.334 --> 00:24:31.763 Well, ryan the Temp. 00:24:31.763 --> 00:24:34.111 He was apparently sitting on the couch the whole episode. 00:24:34.111 --> 00:24:50.228 He wasn't invited to either meeting, so you just see him chilling on the couch back there and I like to think that ryan was invited to both meetings, but he just declined slacked out of it, doing the bare minimum, which is brian ryan's key. 00:24:50.348 --> 00:24:52.011 You know he's ahead of his time. 00:24:52.011 --> 00:24:55.747 Doing the the bare minimum, bare sort of like jim, I guess you could say. 00:24:55.747 --> 00:25:02.612 But you know, dwight steals jim's biggest commission of the year and just kills him. 00:25:02.612 --> 00:25:07.565 And then we see the budding romance, office romance between pam and jim. 00:25:07.565 --> 00:25:08.787 We see that. 00:25:08.787 --> 00:25:11.932 So yeah, it's, like I said, good episode. 00:25:11.932 --> 00:25:14.182 If you haven't watched it, go back and watch it. 00:25:14.182 --> 00:25:24.782 And you we've talked about before some of these episodes you can't even find online anymore or they're edited, like when you watch it on Comedy Central or what have you. 00:25:24.782 --> 00:25:29.268 They've edited entire lines and scenes out. 00:25:29.268 --> 00:25:32.730 Which sort of leaves when you know it's supposed to be there. 00:25:32.730 --> 00:25:35.574 It sort of leaves the. 00:25:36.335 --> 00:25:37.036 You know it's one of those. 00:25:37.076 --> 00:25:41.365 Han shot first things If you're a certain age, you know who shot first. 00:25:41.365 --> 00:25:42.750 Han shot first. 00:25:42.849 --> 00:25:43.632 Han shot first. 00:25:44.141 --> 00:25:47.981 I will say I was watching Comedy Central and they were doing a replay of the Office and they went. 00:25:47.981 --> 00:25:51.411 They jumped from the pilot straight to episode three. 00:25:51.411 --> 00:25:54.871 They didn't even do Diversity Day when they were broadcasting the marathon. 00:25:54.871 --> 00:25:56.039 I was like that was an interesting move. 00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:57.980 So, yeah, because I mean I watch it and I watch it from and they were broadcasting the marathon. 00:25:57.980 --> 00:25:59.020 I was like that was an interesting move. 00:25:59.020 --> 00:26:05.903 So, yeah, because I mean I watch it and I watch it from the perspective of like Michael is acting inappropriately. 00:26:05.903 --> 00:26:09.205 Everything he is doing is inappropriate and that is the joke. 00:26:09.546 --> 00:26:09.645 Yes. 00:26:09.665 --> 00:26:09.826 Like. 00:26:09.826 --> 00:26:13.307 The joke is that he is being inappropriate. 00:26:13.487 --> 00:26:14.347 But he doesn't get that. 00:26:14.347 --> 00:26:16.788 He is, by any stretch of the imagination, he's oblivious. 00:26:17.709 --> 00:26:25.092 Correct, and that's why I'm always like huh, like I always just kind of cock my head a little and be like, well, that's weird that they like just skipped that episode completely. 00:26:25.092 --> 00:26:27.573 But I also, I get it, I guess. 00:26:27.573 --> 00:26:28.613 Well, it's also. 00:26:28.673 --> 00:26:31.933 Comedy Central who puts out South Park and some other. 00:26:31.933 --> 00:26:38.537 A lot more challenging things, I guess I don't know what the right word would be. 00:26:38.537 --> 00:26:41.538 A lot more racy things than even this. 00:26:41.538 --> 00:26:48.411 But yeah, to see this episode not in that list. 00:26:48.431 --> 00:26:49.894 I did want to say really quick. 00:26:49.894 --> 00:26:55.299 All the points in this episode were Michael, I love Michael, I do. 00:26:55.299 --> 00:27:07.928 I think we always talk about Michael being the epitome of a really great individual contributor who just is promoted into a management position because of their performance and not because of their leadership abilities. 00:27:07.928 --> 00:27:18.517 And there are so many points in this episode where he should have been termed at the first iteration of his rendition of the Chris Rock joke. 00:27:18.517 --> 00:27:23.200 He should have been then termed when he signed the form. 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:25.868 He didn't take it seriously and he signed the form Daffy Duck. 00:27:25.868 --> 00:27:34.528 He should have been termed when he threw this atrociously abhorrent training that he decided to do on his own. 00:27:34.528 --> 00:27:39.602 There are so many steps in this episode where I was like what are you doing, toby? 00:27:39.602 --> 00:27:41.045 Like what are you doing back there? 00:27:43.209 --> 00:27:47.442 He's thinking about Kelly and Pam a little too much back there. 00:27:47.501 --> 00:27:50.308 Oh, that's right, he does have the hots for Pam. 00:27:50.528 --> 00:27:50.950 Yeah. 00:27:50.950 --> 00:27:56.259 So yeah, I don't think we find that out for like years to come, though yeah, he's kind of a creeper about it for like years to come, though. 00:27:56.259 --> 00:27:59.951 Yeah, he's kind of a creeper about it. 00:27:59.951 --> 00:28:04.535 Yeah, those will be some good episodes too that we do to cover some of those things. 00:28:04.535 --> 00:28:09.932 Yeah, so what's on the agenda next for? 00:28:09.932 --> 00:28:11.890 Do you have any episodes online? 00:28:11.890 --> 00:28:12.515 Oh, really quick. 00:28:12.515 --> 00:28:13.018 One more thing. 00:28:13.018 --> 00:28:13.279 Oh, go ahead. 00:28:13.420 --> 00:28:15.188 One more thing I wanted to add before we moved on. 00:28:15.188 --> 00:28:47.686 One of the things I wanted to say was, when we're talking about training and development, when you're talking about these kinds of situations like race, like diversity and inclusion, and there are certain things that, unless you have a dedicated learning professional in-house, there are certain things that you should not touch with a 10-foot pole and you should probably outsource to an expert and I think about that when I watch this episode that the company did the right thing by outsourcing this to diversity today. 00:28:47.686 --> 00:28:59.196 But again, michael, thinking he knows better, just railroads the situation and makes it really inappropriate and, in my opinion, kind of fireable. 00:28:59.196 --> 00:29:01.521 So, oh yeah, lesson to be learned. 00:29:01.521 --> 00:29:11.673 There are certain things that you probably should get an external person involved if your company is not equipped with an lnd team and I don't think dunder mifflin is. 00:29:12.902 --> 00:29:14.404 I really don't think they are either. 00:29:14.404 --> 00:29:25.515 And another thing thing where you can take managers they're doing their own wild wild west of training and development that you don't. 00:29:25.515 --> 00:29:29.728 You know, maybe they're doing something very functional for their team. 00:29:29.728 --> 00:29:31.452 Bring HR in the loop. 00:29:31.452 --> 00:29:34.981 Just, you know, I was explaining to somebody the other day. 00:29:34.981 --> 00:29:37.606 My job is not to get in the way. 00:29:37.606 --> 00:29:42.015 I want to support what you're doing, but give me all the info I need so I can support it. 00:29:42.015 --> 00:30:08.507 If you want to make a personnel move, you want to let someone go my goal, I want to support you, but you have to give me what I need to support you, because this person thought that I was going to be a roadblock for them removing somebody who needed to be removed, and I'm like no, no, just I want to support you, I want to support the company, but you have to give me what I want first. 00:30:09.067 --> 00:30:21.118 And it scares me to death to think that there are line managers out there doing their own training, even if it's functional training, line managers out there doing their own training, even if it's functional training. 00:30:21.118 --> 00:30:24.222 Hey, you're a machine operator, you do? 00:30:24.222 --> 00:30:24.624 You know to do this? 00:30:24.624 --> 00:30:24.904 A, b, c, d, e, f, g. 00:30:24.904 --> 00:30:26.289 Let us know, give us a heads up, you know, just so we know. 00:30:26.289 --> 00:30:32.204 And if we have more questions, or maybe there's something they didn't think about, maybe, hey, osha, let's talk a little bit about OSHA. 00:30:32.204 --> 00:30:37.732 This might be a good time to bring something up along those lines Get HR involved. 00:30:37.732 --> 00:30:38.775 We're not the bad guy. 00:30:40.340 --> 00:30:47.082 It's funny that you mentioned that, because a friend of mine who is a she's a DE&I professional with a company. 00:30:47.082 --> 00:30:56.122 I guess her company's benefit department sent out this thing for autism awareness. 00:30:56.784 --> 00:31:35.869 Because we're in autism awareness and I guess they do a monthly newsletter in the benefits department and whoever the benefits person was just earnestly copy and pasted something that a benefits provider sent to them and one of their vendors sent and it went out and apparently it had a lot of things in there that was well, people with autism they don't deal well in public situations and they don't do well counting money and they don't like all of these really archaic things that she just pulled from anywhere without thinking about it. 00:31:36.671 --> 00:31:46.240 And luckily it was a live document, because as soon as my friend got wind of it she called up and she's like no, no, no, no, no, no, we need to change it. 00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:58.240 And basically had her own copy in place because like way better, and it was all about neurodivergency and stuff like that, and yeah, it was like it could have been a really bad situation, but they caught it. 00:31:58.240 --> 00:31:59.519 So not a lot of people saw it, but yeah, it was like it could have been a really bad situation, but they caught it. 00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:00.923 So not a lot of people saw it. 00:32:00.923 --> 00:32:21.875 But again, people in the organization do things that are very well intended and including the DEI person is not a roadblock, but it's like a partnership so that you can say things that aren't either outdated or insulting or whatever, like all this stuff. 00:32:21.875 --> 00:32:27.073 So that's, yeah, that could have been a really bad situation. 00:32:27.840 --> 00:32:34.054 And you know neurodiversity and autism are some of my hot button topics. 00:32:34.054 --> 00:32:51.323 Hot button topics and I'm particularly because when someone goes down that road I have knowledge and experience with dealing with it. 00:32:51.323 --> 00:33:02.190 And I will say originally I was finding so much stuff about just autism and about it was just blatantly false or it was stereotypical type stuff and it's not true. 00:33:02.190 --> 00:33:08.053 And now I think over the years people have sort of gotten in line with it a little bit better. 00:33:08.053 --> 00:33:14.012 But yeah, that's a hot button topic we can definitely cross in a regular episode. 00:33:14.153 --> 00:33:17.364 Hey, I'm on, I'm on that neurodiversity train, choo-choo. 00:33:22.622 --> 00:33:26.189 So I think we should just go straight into episode three, the healthcare episode. 00:33:26.796 --> 00:33:31.922 Oh, the healthcare episode yeah, it's straight up HR alley. 00:33:31.922 --> 00:33:42.907 I think there's some that won't be quite as HR-ish, but you can take any episode at all and turn it into HR with this. 00:33:42.907 --> 00:33:44.416 I'm looking at episode six. 00:33:44.416 --> 00:33:48.146 Hot Girl oh, you can definitely Hot Girl, that's right. 00:33:48.146 --> 00:33:50.161 I mean, I'm just looking Down the list here. 00:33:50.161 --> 00:33:53.037 There's nothing I could say, oh, we could skip this one. 00:33:53.037 --> 00:33:58.277 The Dundee Awards oh, that might have to be a two-episode special for us. 00:33:58.277 --> 00:33:59.986 And then oh, then the dundies. 00:33:59.986 --> 00:34:02.896 Yeah, oh, that's season two, episode one. 00:34:02.896 --> 00:34:10.639 And then sexual harassment and I'm looking at the list, if I, if I can find it, I swear, somewhere online. 00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:23.309 Conan o'brien, in one of his podcasts or conan o'brien needs a friend says that they actually play excerpts from the sexual harassment all of his sexual harassment at NBC for preventing sexual harassment. 00:34:23.309 --> 00:34:26.644 I was like that is so, so good, whatever. 00:34:26.644 --> 00:34:29.204 So anyways, yeah, we'll definitely. 00:34:29.204 --> 00:34:33.838 I don't see it episode to skip in season one though, as we're looking down at. 00:34:33.838 --> 00:34:36.306 But healthcare should definitely be the. 00:34:36.306 --> 00:34:41.420 We'll be doing that one in May, so stay tuned for that. 00:34:41.420 --> 00:34:43.407 Y'all Awesome. 00:34:44.456 --> 00:34:47.364