1 00:00:02,023 --> 00:00:04,546 Speaker 1: Had you actually read the email, you would know that 2 00:00:04,567 --> 00:00:07,812 the podcast you are about to listen to could contain explicit 3 00:00:07,812 --> 00:00:09,814 language and offensive content. 4 00:00:09,814 --> 00:00:14,474 These HR experts' views are not representative of their past, 5 00:00:14,814 --> 00:00:16,480 present or future employers. 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,687 If you have ever heard my manager is unfair to me. 7 00:00:19,687 --> 00:00:24,722 I need you to reset my HR portal password, or Can I write 8 00:00:24,762 --> 00:00:26,548 up my employee for crying too much? 9 00:00:26,548 --> 00:00:28,900 Welcome to our little safe zone . 10 00:00:28,900 --> 00:00:46,951 Welcome to Jaded HR. 11 00:00:46,990 --> 00:00:49,813 Speaker 2: Welcome to Jaded HR, the podcast by two HR 12 00:00:49,832 --> 00:00:52,293 professionals who want to help you get through the workday by 13 00:00:52,314 --> 00:00:54,295 saying everything you're thinking, but say it out loud. 14 00:00:54,295 --> 00:00:55,195 I'm Warren. 15 00:00:56,095 --> 00:00:56,496 Speaker 3: I'm Cece. 16 00:00:57,656 --> 00:01:00,259 Speaker 2: All right, back again , whee. 17 00:01:00,259 --> 00:01:04,225 So the last few episodes other than well. 18 00:01:04,225 --> 00:01:09,793 I could hear it in the Office Rewatch podcast episode that 19 00:01:10,114 --> 00:01:13,066 your voice wasn't as strong then , but now it's my turn to be 20 00:01:13,126 --> 00:01:13,346 sick. 21 00:01:13,346 --> 00:01:15,487 But I'm actually getting over it. 22 00:01:15,487 --> 00:01:17,626 But yeah, I counted out. 23 00:01:17,626 --> 00:01:21,346 This is only the seventh time in my entire career from the 90s 24 00:01:21,346 --> 00:01:24,433 and almost 30 years of calling out of work. 25 00:01:24,433 --> 00:01:30,364 Career from the 90s and almost 30 years of calling out of work 26 00:01:30,385 --> 00:01:31,688 and so like, not planned call, not a planned day off or 27 00:01:31,707 --> 00:01:32,108 anything like that. 28 00:01:32,149 --> 00:01:32,549 So my body's weird. 29 00:01:32,549 --> 00:01:35,578 It tends only to get sick on weekends. 30 00:01:35,578 --> 00:01:37,265 It's like Wednesday, I feel. 31 00:01:37,265 --> 00:01:41,778 You know, I feel something strange is coming on by Friday. 32 00:01:41,778 --> 00:01:44,022 I was like, oh shit, I'm going to be sick on Saturday and 33 00:01:44,063 --> 00:01:46,768 Sunday and of course I'll be fine on Monday to get back to 34 00:01:46,808 --> 00:01:47,049 work. 35 00:01:47,049 --> 00:01:51,361 But this time I was not fine and of course I was Tony off air 36 00:01:51,361 --> 00:01:51,361 . 37 00:01:51,361 --> 00:01:56,712 That ruined my wife's mother's day, because the first mother's 38 00:01:56,751 --> 00:01:58,701 day where neither of our kids are in the house. 39 00:01:58,701 --> 00:02:01,447 So that was a traumatic experience by itself. 40 00:02:01,447 --> 00:02:06,980 But we also invited my in-laws over for brunch for Sunday 41 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:13,491 morning, mother's Day and I was unable to participate in the 42 00:02:13,812 --> 00:02:18,865 prep or cook of that said brunch , and so I am in the doghouse 43 00:02:18,965 --> 00:02:25,875 now for being sick and I want to be in the doghouse for a little 44 00:02:25,875 --> 00:02:26,134 while. 45 00:02:28,141 --> 00:02:28,945 Speaker 3: Oh, what a weekend. 46 00:02:29,500 --> 00:02:33,447 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, but I did go visit my mother and it 47 00:02:33,526 --> 00:02:34,850 wasn't an awful trip. 48 00:02:34,850 --> 00:02:39,350 I usually do not like going visiting my mother, but I'm a 49 00:02:39,411 --> 00:02:41,286 good son, I do my duty. 50 00:02:41,286 --> 00:02:42,444 It's like I've said before, I'm a needle phobe. 51 00:02:42,444 --> 00:02:43,268 I go to the doctor, I get my shots, I get. 52 00:02:43,268 --> 00:02:45,217 I've said before I'm a needle phobe, I go to the doctor, I get 53 00:02:45,217 --> 00:02:46,200 my shots, I get. 54 00:02:46,241 --> 00:02:48,046 You know, I gave blood last week . 55 00:02:48,046 --> 00:02:52,064 I'm O negative, so everybody wants my blood and I do those 56 00:02:52,125 --> 00:02:52,807 things I'm supposed to. 57 00:02:52,807 --> 00:02:55,743 Oh, giving blood, this is the first time ever. 58 00:02:55,743 --> 00:02:57,289 Like I said, I'm a needle phobe . 59 00:02:57,289 --> 00:02:57,760 I don't like it. 60 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,669 This dude took three times to get the needle in and I was like 61 00:03:02,669 --> 00:03:07,706 just an instant away from saying screw this, I'm out, I'm 62 00:03:07,747 --> 00:03:08,288 going home. 63 00:03:08,288 --> 00:03:14,304 I was like you know you didn't want to do my blood pressure at 64 00:03:14,745 --> 00:03:16,411 the moments before that third stick. 65 00:03:16,411 --> 00:03:18,608 You know they take your blood pressure and do all this stuff 66 00:03:18,719 --> 00:03:23,137 before you give blood and you did not want to take my blood 67 00:03:23,177 --> 00:03:25,860 pressure before that third stick because, yeah, it would have 68 00:03:25,881 --> 00:03:31,451 been really not a good thing for that so yeah, yeah, but you had 69 00:03:31,451 --> 00:03:35,724 a good mother's day I did, yeah , I. 70 00:03:36,205 --> 00:03:37,968 Speaker 3: The only thing I wanted for mother's day was a 71 00:03:38,109 --> 00:03:42,040 day to sleep in, and that's what I got I got. 72 00:03:42,140 --> 00:03:48,193 I slept in till like 11, which if you have a cusp of a toddler 73 00:03:48,312 --> 00:03:50,906 it's difficult, so I slept in. 74 00:03:50,906 --> 00:03:55,069 My husband, Kevin, got me these breakfast sandwiches that I 75 00:03:55,110 --> 00:03:55,592 really like. 76 00:03:55,592 --> 00:03:58,086 He also got Starbucks delivered to the house. 77 00:03:58,086 --> 00:03:59,049 It was great. 78 00:03:59,049 --> 00:04:00,032 It was great. 79 00:04:00,032 --> 00:04:03,069 And then my parents came over, which was great in and of itself 80 00:04:03,069 --> 00:04:07,008 , but it just kind of turned into me and my mom just prepping 81 00:04:07,008 --> 00:04:11,650 side dishes Like, granted, okay , they grilled, Fine. 82 00:04:11,650 --> 00:04:14,782 But then there's like the prepping of this and I think we 83 00:04:14,802 --> 00:04:18,391 just need to normalize letting moms go out and golf on Mother's 84 00:04:18,391 --> 00:04:18,612 Day. 85 00:04:18,612 --> 00:04:21,187 Like why are we doing this? 86 00:04:22,189 --> 00:04:23,394 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. 87 00:04:23,394 --> 00:04:29,492 I usually try and do something nice for my wife on Mother's Day 88 00:04:29,492 --> 00:04:30,682 , Like last year. 89 00:04:30,682 --> 00:04:32,149 I remember her favorite. 90 00:04:32,149 --> 00:04:34,004 She laughs at me. 91 00:04:34,004 --> 00:04:35,968 I even go to Dunkin' Donuts. 92 00:04:35,968 --> 00:04:39,166 I'll ask for the Homer Simpson donut, the strawberry glazed 93 00:04:39,206 --> 00:04:39,908 with sprinkles. 94 00:04:39,908 --> 00:04:41,492 The sprinkles, they know what you're talking about. 95 00:04:41,492 --> 00:04:43,677 You don't have to say strawberries glazed with 96 00:04:43,697 --> 00:04:43,879 sprinkles. 97 00:04:43,879 --> 00:04:47,906 I say I want a Homer Simpson Gotcha, you know, and even where 98 00:04:47,906 --> 00:04:50,791 I live in the middle of nowhere , we've got a Dunkin' Donuts. 99 00:04:50,791 --> 00:04:52,735 It's in a gas station but it's a Dunkin' Donuts. 100 00:04:52,735 --> 00:05:00,230 Hey, it still counts. 101 00:05:00,230 --> 00:05:05,502 And came back and had it ready for her Breakfast in bed. 102 00:05:05,523 --> 00:05:06,285 Speaker 3: A donut, donut in bed . 103 00:05:06,285 --> 00:05:10,033 That's all I wanted and that's exactly what I got. 104 00:05:10,033 --> 00:05:14,302 I got to sit in bed and doom scroll. 105 00:05:14,302 --> 00:05:17,444 So here's the sucky part, though this weekend being the 106 00:05:17,485 --> 00:05:22,730 baby, she just had horrible teething I think the molars are 107 00:05:22,771 --> 00:05:32,240 coming in and she was inconsolable for I don't know 108 00:05:32,261 --> 00:05:34,245 like two days just nonstop screaming and crying, which was 109 00:05:34,264 --> 00:05:35,709 very out of the norm for her. 110 00:05:35,709 --> 00:05:38,235 But I did feel bad just leaving Kevin to just a screaming child 111 00:05:38,235 --> 00:05:38,235 . 112 00:05:38,536 --> 00:05:41,682 Speaker 2: So you know, I had a nice blissful morning. 113 00:05:41,682 --> 00:05:45,428 You didn't feel that bad. 114 00:05:46,129 --> 00:05:46,610 Speaker 3: I did not. 115 00:05:46,610 --> 00:05:47,572 No, I'm lying. 116 00:05:47,572 --> 00:05:49,355 I did not feel bad, it was fine . 117 00:05:50,901 --> 00:05:52,387 Speaker 2: You got over it very, very quick. 118 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:54,305 Speaker 3: Yeah, I got over it. 119 00:05:54,305 --> 00:05:59,083 The baby she's fine, she's happy now Look, everyone's fine. 120 00:06:01,550 --> 00:06:02,940 Speaker 2: Yeah, so Well. 121 00:06:02,940 --> 00:06:04,788 Glad you had a good Mother's Day. 122 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:09,062 Speaker 3: So yay, oh, I forgot to tell you the best news. 123 00:06:09,062 --> 00:06:14,052 Like we got a kitten oh, I saw we got a kitten. 124 00:06:14,533 --> 00:06:17,100 so I don't I don't know if I shared on the podcast. 125 00:06:17,100 --> 00:06:18,562 Actually it was very traumatic. 126 00:06:18,562 --> 00:06:21,468 We had the love of our lives, this cat. 127 00:06:21,468 --> 00:06:25,387 His name was munson and he was just a soulmate cat. 128 00:06:25,387 --> 00:06:27,504 Like you know, when you have one of those pets in your life, 129 00:06:27,524 --> 00:06:27,884 that's just. 130 00:06:27,884 --> 00:06:30,031 You'll never forget that pet. 131 00:06:30,031 --> 00:06:34,247 So he was that for us and he he sadly passed away. 132 00:06:34,247 --> 00:06:35,711 He had feline diabetes. 133 00:06:35,711 --> 00:06:36,151 He had. 134 00:06:36,151 --> 00:06:37,360 We had to put him down. 135 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,983 It was traumatic in the sense that, of course, this happened 136 00:06:40,004 --> 00:06:44,511 when Kevin was traveling for work and he is primary human, so 137 00:06:44,511 --> 00:06:47,134 it was just me alone at the vet's office making this 138 00:06:47,153 --> 00:06:47,555 decision. 139 00:06:47,555 --> 00:06:48,136 It was insane. 140 00:06:48,136 --> 00:06:51,822 So anyway, that happened a few weeks ago, I would say like a 141 00:06:51,963 --> 00:06:53,067 couple months ago, maybe. 142 00:06:53,067 --> 00:06:58,665 Yeah, in any case, we decided to get a new baby, so he is a 143 00:06:58,766 --> 00:06:59,730 Maine Coon. 144 00:06:59,730 --> 00:07:02,028 He is going to be big. 145 00:07:02,028 --> 00:07:06,689 He's already like super large for being five months old and 146 00:07:06,709 --> 00:07:09,084 his paws are huge Does he have six toes. 147 00:07:10,228 --> 00:07:10,689 He does not. 148 00:07:10,689 --> 00:07:11,904 No he does not. 149 00:07:11,904 --> 00:07:15,440 He's not a six-toed cat, but he just has huge paws, like he's 150 00:07:15,461 --> 00:07:16,406 going to be a little lion. 151 00:07:16,406 --> 00:07:18,807 So I love him so much. 152 00:07:18,807 --> 00:07:19,870 He's so sweet. 153 00:07:19,870 --> 00:07:22,689 He slept next to me all day today in the office. 154 00:07:22,689 --> 00:07:24,346 He's just a little lovey. 155 00:07:26,860 --> 00:07:28,781 Speaker 2: He's going to me all day today in the office. 156 00:07:28,781 --> 00:07:29,382 He's just a little lovey. 157 00:07:29,382 --> 00:07:30,524 He's going to turn into a big lovey. 158 00:07:30,524 --> 00:07:31,745 I saw you've got a Maine Coon. 159 00:07:31,745 --> 00:07:35,709 My paternal grandparents and they both passed away. 160 00:07:35,709 --> 00:07:40,153 They ended up a Maine Coon cat adopted them. 161 00:07:40,153 --> 00:07:45,721 Like this cat would come into their garage and my grandmother 162 00:07:45,761 --> 00:07:47,985 or grandfather would go out and broom and swish it out and yell 163 00:07:48,026 --> 00:07:51,192 at it and, you know, kick it out and then it just kept coming 164 00:07:51,233 --> 00:07:52,702 back and coming back and coming back. 165 00:07:52,702 --> 00:07:55,511 Next you know they're leaving some food on the back patio for 166 00:07:55,961 --> 00:07:58,867 it and next thing you know it's in the house and it's theirs and 167 00:07:58,867 --> 00:08:00,190 they named him mr kitty. 168 00:08:02,322 --> 00:08:04,567 He was a giant maine coon cat and he had the six. 169 00:08:04,567 --> 00:08:06,550 He was a giant Maine Coon cat and he was a Maine Coon with six 170 00:08:06,550 --> 00:08:08,553 toes, on the front paws only. 171 00:08:08,553 --> 00:08:14,805 He had six toes and he was just a giant cat and he owned the 172 00:08:14,865 --> 00:08:15,165 house. 173 00:08:15,165 --> 00:08:17,041 He owned the neighborhood, but no matter. 174 00:08:17,041 --> 00:08:20,689 I mean I actually watched my grandmother go after him with a 175 00:08:20,750 --> 00:08:21,612 broom one time. 176 00:08:21,612 --> 00:08:24,562 I'm like there's no way this cat will ever come back. 177 00:08:24,562 --> 00:08:26,362 And yet there he was. 178 00:08:26,362 --> 00:08:30,105 He was like I'm determined this is going to be my house and 179 00:08:30,766 --> 00:08:32,807 like they put flyers up, found cat. 180 00:08:32,807 --> 00:08:36,610 Like nobody wanted to claim him , it wanted their house, it was 181 00:08:36,650 --> 00:08:41,195 going to be theirs and it ended up being their house, their cat, 182 00:08:41,195 --> 00:08:42,576 for many, many years. 183 00:08:42,576 --> 00:08:44,596 He lived an awful long time. 184 00:08:48,340 --> 00:08:50,344 Speaker 3: The cat distribution system. 185 00:08:50,364 --> 00:08:50,946 Speaker 2: It worked just as planned. 186 00:08:50,946 --> 00:08:53,571 Yeah, that brought back memories when I saw the baby 187 00:08:53,610 --> 00:08:54,533 Maine Coon cat. 188 00:08:54,533 --> 00:08:56,701 Love them. 189 00:08:56,701 --> 00:09:02,370 So I've got two HR stories and something else. 190 00:09:02,370 --> 00:09:04,033 I'll probably save that for the end. 191 00:09:04,033 --> 00:09:14,443 Something else at the end, but why don't we start off with this 192 00:09:14,443 --> 00:09:15,046 dress code violation? 193 00:09:15,066 --> 00:09:15,730 So this comes off LinkedIn. 194 00:09:15,730 --> 00:09:17,076 I don't know the date, as it says published 10 minutes ago 195 00:09:17,096 --> 00:09:18,780 when I copied and pasted, but obviously it wasn't. 196 00:09:18,780 --> 00:09:20,303 It's from Karen Michael. 197 00:09:20,303 --> 00:09:24,772 Follow her on LinkedIn, follow her on her website and she has a 198 00:09:24,772 --> 00:09:26,735 blog, a podcast as well. 199 00:09:26,735 --> 00:09:27,861 So follow her. 200 00:09:27,861 --> 00:09:29,485 Very funny. 201 00:09:29,485 --> 00:09:30,827 I hope to have her as a guest. 202 00:09:30,827 --> 00:09:35,043 I've talked to her and we'll see what we can do, but I'm just 203 00:09:35,043 --> 00:09:37,889 gonna read this it's it's not that long or read it for word 204 00:09:37,929 --> 00:09:38,211 for word. 205 00:09:38,211 --> 00:09:42,586 I wish this was a video podcast that we could show the pictures 206 00:09:42,586 --> 00:09:47,962 , because it really does make it , you know, make it stand out. 207 00:09:47,962 --> 00:09:51,375 But you can go on Karen Michael on LinkedIn and see the story. 208 00:09:51,375 --> 00:09:52,921 I'll read a word for it. 209 00:09:52,921 --> 00:09:56,014 This could be a total fake, by the way, but let's play along 210 00:09:56,053 --> 00:09:56,495 for a minute. 211 00:09:56,797 --> 00:09:59,985 A woman claims she was fired on her first day on the job for 212 00:10:00,025 --> 00:10:00,648 wearing this. 213 00:10:00,648 --> 00:10:01,570 See pictures below. 214 00:10:01,570 --> 00:10:05,269 She said her video that she subscribes to the look good, 215 00:10:05,399 --> 00:10:08,386 feel good, and she wanted to feel pretty so she could be 216 00:10:08,466 --> 00:10:10,812 confident and give a good first impression. 217 00:10:10,812 --> 00:10:12,683 But clearly that backfired. 218 00:10:12,683 --> 00:10:15,530 Her new boss called her over and she thought her boss was 219 00:10:15,571 --> 00:10:17,102 going to compliment her on her outfit. 220 00:10:17,102 --> 00:10:20,671 But the boss started berating her and told her how 221 00:10:20,750 --> 00:10:23,965 inappropriate her outfit was for the work and she needed to 222 00:10:24,004 --> 00:10:24,405 change. 223 00:10:24,405 --> 00:10:27,812 The employee claims to have been insulted and stood up for 224 00:10:27,851 --> 00:10:29,134 herself in a respectful manner. 225 00:10:29,134 --> 00:10:32,708 She told the manager that she was used to envious females and 226 00:10:32,749 --> 00:10:37,027 she used to is used to females being super jealous of her, and 227 00:10:37,067 --> 00:10:39,232 that she could sense the manager's insecurity. 228 00:10:39,232 --> 00:10:43,091 The manager told her to go home and not come back allegedly. 229 00:10:43,821 --> 00:10:46,750 Whether this is attention-seeking, fake or not. 230 00:10:46,750 --> 00:10:49,788 After 32 years of being in workplaces, I've concluded the 231 00:10:49,807 --> 00:10:52,581 workplace, today more than ever, lacks accountability, 232 00:10:52,923 --> 00:10:56,049 self-awareness, boundaries, respect for professionalism. 233 00:10:56,049 --> 00:10:58,783 If this woman is really telling the truth, then she needs to 234 00:10:58,823 --> 00:10:59,647 learn a lesson. 235 00:10:59,647 --> 00:11:00,990 And this isn't about you. 236 00:11:00,990 --> 00:11:04,788 And now I officially rescind my bring your authentic self to 237 00:11:04,828 --> 00:11:05,530 work comments. 238 00:11:05,530 --> 00:11:08,166 Just come to work and assimilate to culture and bring 239 00:11:08,206 --> 00:11:09,850 your best ideas, skills and knowledge. 240 00:11:09,850 --> 00:11:18,379 Agree, disagree, and I will try and describe this young ladies. 241 00:11:18,379 --> 00:11:22,030 My wife hates it when I call this people little girl. 242 00:11:22,030 --> 00:11:23,104 It doesn't say what her? 243 00:11:23,104 --> 00:11:24,187 Oh, I don't know. 244 00:11:24,187 --> 00:11:25,404 It doesn't tell her age. 245 00:11:26,220 --> 00:11:27,043 Speaker 3: This individual. 246 00:11:27,465 --> 00:11:32,501 Speaker 2: This individual, so let's call this a super mini 247 00:11:32,542 --> 00:11:33,546 skirt, it's. 248 00:11:33,546 --> 00:11:38,067 She's going to have a hard time sitting down in this mini skirt 249 00:11:38,067 --> 00:11:38,067 . 250 00:11:39,047 --> 00:11:41,433 Speaker 3: I would have gotten sent home from high school if my 251 00:11:41,433 --> 00:11:43,083 skirt was this short. 252 00:11:43,325 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: Because it doesn't reach your. 253 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:44,789 It's shorter than your finger. 254 00:11:44,789 --> 00:11:45,480 It's shorter than your fingertips. 255 00:11:46,441 --> 00:11:47,966 Speaker 3: It's shorter than fingertip length. 256 00:11:47,966 --> 00:11:48,969 You're going home. 257 00:11:49,620 --> 00:11:52,764 Speaker 2: And she's wearing some boots to her knees in this 258 00:11:53,004 --> 00:11:57,210 zip-up sweater vest that's zipped halfway down, showing 259 00:11:57,730 --> 00:12:09,000 ample amount of cleavage, and her bare midriff as well bear 260 00:12:09,020 --> 00:12:12,725 midriff as well and I'm like, really you thought that that 261 00:12:12,765 --> 00:12:13,947 would be a good outfit to wear to work. 262 00:12:13,967 --> 00:12:16,652 Speaker 3: So I hope I will say this is, this is a tick, so okay 263 00:12:16,652 --> 00:12:16,652 . 264 00:12:16,652 --> 00:12:19,662 So I do know I've done a lot of research on this, and by 265 00:12:19,741 --> 00:12:25,072 research I mean drinking wine on my couch and going down TikTok 266 00:12:25,253 --> 00:12:25,833 rabbit hole. 267 00:12:25,833 --> 00:12:29,240 This is fake, but it's not so. 268 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,168 The creator that we're looking at is a content creator, but she 269 00:12:33,168 --> 00:12:34,673 spoofs things. 270 00:12:34,673 --> 00:12:36,947 So she was making fun of something that was really 271 00:12:37,028 --> 00:12:41,384 happening and she says, in there point of view, you dress like 272 00:12:41,424 --> 00:12:45,892 an office siren at your corporate job and you got fired 273 00:12:46,633 --> 00:12:50,008 and oh my gosh, this was fantastic. 274 00:12:50,048 --> 00:12:51,217 This was a few weeks ago. 275 00:12:51,217 --> 00:12:58,152 It's the office siren trend that was going on in offices as 276 00:12:58,231 --> 00:13:01,143 people were returning to work, and it was really going on with 277 00:13:01,703 --> 00:13:05,712 new to career individuals who, like, let's just say, are mostly 278 00:13:05,712 --> 00:13:13,080 Gen Z and they were getting a lot of ill advice from TikTok. 279 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:18,210 And there was this trend called the office siren trend and 280 00:13:18,791 --> 00:13:24,989 literally it was mainly young women and they were wearing very 281 00:13:24,989 --> 00:13:29,501 provocative clothes that, in their terms, romanticizes the 282 00:13:29,581 --> 00:13:34,490 workplace, that reminds them of early 2000s sitcoms. 283 00:13:34,490 --> 00:13:37,735 So, for those of you who are listening, if you can remember 284 00:13:37,774 --> 00:13:41,788 the movie, the Devil Wears Prada basically what's her name? 285 00:13:41,788 --> 00:13:43,110 She's all bunch in this character. 286 00:13:43,110 --> 00:13:47,687 She has like the sexy librarian glasses and her hair's up in a 287 00:13:47,746 --> 00:13:52,481 tousled bun and she's dressed, like you know, very fashion 288 00:13:52,522 --> 00:13:53,082 forward. 289 00:13:53,082 --> 00:13:57,591 And so a lot, of, a lot of women in the workplace who are 290 00:13:57,631 --> 00:14:00,804 again career, a lot of which have never worked in an office 291 00:14:00,845 --> 00:14:03,942 before, and I think we have to remember now that I'm talking 292 00:14:03,981 --> 00:14:06,509 out loud a lot of these people have never worked in an office, 293 00:14:06,549 --> 00:14:08,003 they've only seen it on TV. 294 00:14:08,003 --> 00:14:11,652 So now that they're returning to the office or they're working 295 00:14:11,652 --> 00:14:15,467 more in the office, they're taking ill advice, or ill advice 296 00:14:15,467 --> 00:14:19,383 from these influencers, and these are like literally a lot 297 00:14:19,403 --> 00:14:23,951 of midriffs, a lot of low-cut, low, low, low, low cut blouses, 298 00:14:24,332 --> 00:14:28,066 a lot of short, short skirts and knee-high boots, like just 299 00:14:28,166 --> 00:14:33,381 things that would make you go like huh if they walked in as an 300 00:14:33,381 --> 00:14:36,070 hr person or, you know, as a co-worker in general. 301 00:14:43,379 --> 00:14:44,625 But but yeah, so anyway, there was this lore of the Internet 302 00:14:44,645 --> 00:14:45,691 where apparently this person had an internship. 303 00:14:45,691 --> 00:14:48,120 Now apparently they said again, I did a lot of research, I was 304 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:49,927 it was yeah, this is here. 305 00:14:49,927 --> 00:14:53,926 But apparently the lore was that this individual had a 306 00:14:54,567 --> 00:14:58,534 internship that had a guaranteed position after like two years, 307 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,346 and after two years the internship would turn into a 308 00:15:01,407 --> 00:15:05,442 full-time role and would be at 100K, which, for a college 309 00:15:05,542 --> 00:15:07,905 intern, like score right. 310 00:15:07,905 --> 00:15:14,663 And the individual came to work dressed just like you could 311 00:15:14,702 --> 00:15:17,772 imagine this picture that you and I are looking at right here 312 00:15:18,741 --> 00:15:23,311 and the HR person called them in the office and basically told 313 00:15:23,551 --> 00:15:27,205 her that she was in violation of dress code and she was 314 00:15:27,245 --> 00:15:30,491 terminated and go home and she, like lost out on the internship, 315 00:15:30,491 --> 00:15:33,062 she lost out on the 100k, whatever. 316 00:15:33,644 --> 00:15:40,014 All this to say like one like I think there's two ways you can 317 00:15:40,033 --> 00:15:40,414 look at this. 318 00:15:40,414 --> 00:15:45,129 One if I was like the HR business partner or the HR 319 00:15:45,169 --> 00:15:49,364 person and this person walked in my office, clearly not knowing 320 00:15:49,384 --> 00:15:53,032 the lay of the land, clearly you can see that this is probably 321 00:15:53,052 --> 00:15:56,113 the first time that they're in an office would that be a final 322 00:15:56,133 --> 00:15:56,192 out? 323 00:15:56,192 --> 00:15:56,676 They're in an office? 324 00:15:56,676 --> 00:15:58,602 Would that be a final out for you? 325 00:15:58,602 --> 00:16:01,690 And I think yeah, like would that be a final or would you 326 00:16:01,730 --> 00:16:02,972 have coached the situation? 327 00:16:04,059 --> 00:16:12,392 Speaker 2: Oh man, I think you can watch all the you know 90s, 328 00:16:13,032 --> 00:16:19,139 early 2000s rom-com office set things and see people dressed 329 00:16:20,102 --> 00:16:22,149 somewhat similar to this. 330 00:16:25,024 --> 00:16:26,469 Speaker 3: Very Rachel Green from Friends. 331 00:16:27,263 --> 00:16:31,486 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but you, there has to be some common 332 00:16:31,527 --> 00:16:32,370 sense in there too. 333 00:16:32,370 --> 00:16:35,966 Do I think it should be instantly termable? 334 00:16:35,966 --> 00:16:44,370 Probably not, but it's going to really set a bad tone for their 335 00:16:44,370 --> 00:16:48,643 first day in their first week If they think that their career 336 00:16:48,663 --> 00:16:52,971 of management depending on who's upset about it in upper 337 00:16:52,990 --> 00:16:58,250 management it might be it might as well fire them, because they 338 00:16:58,330 --> 00:17:00,263 may not ever be able to recover from this. 339 00:17:00,263 --> 00:17:03,813 So I'm really, I'm really torn on this. 340 00:17:03,813 --> 00:17:09,346 Do they think they're able to come to where I I hope somebody 341 00:17:09,406 --> 00:17:12,271 doesn't think that that's acceptable to go to work like? 342 00:17:12,492 --> 00:17:13,114 Speaker 3: I really hope not. 343 00:17:14,382 --> 00:17:17,008 Speaker 2: I would, but I've told the story before. 344 00:17:17,008 --> 00:17:19,232 I was brand new at a. 345 00:17:19,232 --> 00:17:23,549 I was working at a CPA firm and it was, if it wasn't my first 346 00:17:23,609 --> 00:17:26,503 week, it was my second week, and the rest of the HR team was 347 00:17:26,644 --> 00:17:29,130 away on something they pre-planned. 348 00:17:29,130 --> 00:17:32,364 They were going to go out and I just happened to start, so I 349 00:17:32,403 --> 00:17:37,050 was the only HR person in the building when a partner calls 350 00:17:37,913 --> 00:17:41,423 and he doesn't know who I am and his directions to me were get 351 00:17:41,463 --> 00:17:44,890 your ass over here and tell Britney Spears that this is not 352 00:17:44,910 --> 00:17:47,875 a nightclub and she needs to put some clothes on. 353 00:17:47,875 --> 00:17:53,128 And I'm like I'm a recruiter, I'm not, I don't do these things 354 00:17:53,128 --> 00:17:59,882 , but you have a senior partner yelling at you to do this and I 355 00:18:00,042 --> 00:18:00,987 was like, oh gosh. 356 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,568 So now did she look like this? 357 00:18:04,568 --> 00:18:05,991 No, is she. 358 00:18:05,991 --> 00:18:09,205 It was borderline professional. 359 00:18:09,205 --> 00:18:10,590 What she wore, I wouldn't. 360 00:18:10,590 --> 00:18:13,067 I can't even describe. 361 00:18:13,067 --> 00:18:13,388 I can't. 362 00:18:13,388 --> 00:18:13,641 You know. 363 00:18:13,641 --> 00:18:14,928 It was probably 2003 when this happened. 364 00:18:14,928 --> 00:18:15,371 I can't even describe. 365 00:18:15,371 --> 00:18:15,531 I can't. 366 00:18:15,531 --> 00:18:15,712 You know. 367 00:18:15,712 --> 00:18:16,960 It was probably 2003 when this happened. 368 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,646 I can borderline, I don't think . 369 00:18:20,646 --> 00:18:25,540 I think it was a blouse that was open, too deep, and I think 370 00:18:25,582 --> 00:18:30,710 it was capri type pantsuit that was maybe a little more form 371 00:18:30,750 --> 00:18:33,755 fitting than most of the other people were wearing it. 372 00:18:33,755 --> 00:18:40,846 Most of the other people were wearing it and you know, I I did 373 00:18:40,846 --> 00:18:41,851 talk to her and I said, look you, you know I hadn't. 374 00:18:41,851 --> 00:18:42,413 I wasn't even one recruiter. 375 00:18:42,413 --> 00:18:43,880 Like I said, I only started two weeks before. 376 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,789 So I was like, yeah, you know, I just want to let you know that 377 00:18:47,789 --> 00:18:49,942 there are some people here that aren't appreciating the way 378 00:18:49,962 --> 00:18:54,031 you're dressed today I said, if you could I I had to think this. 379 00:18:54,353 --> 00:18:55,704 I'm thinking this all through my mind. 380 00:18:55,704 --> 00:18:56,567 How do I say this? 381 00:18:56,567 --> 00:19:02,227 Because first, a guy say being a dude in HR, this is like one 382 00:19:02,247 --> 00:19:05,109 of those worst case scenario situations where you have to 383 00:19:05,150 --> 00:19:09,556 talk about attire with a woman and things like that. 384 00:19:09,556 --> 00:19:12,306 And it was like, yeah, there's some people here who don't 385 00:19:12,346 --> 00:19:15,313 appreciate the way you're dressed today. 386 00:19:15,313 --> 00:19:19,104 People here who don't appreciate the way you're 387 00:19:19,144 --> 00:19:19,644 dressed today. 388 00:19:19,644 --> 00:19:21,710 They said you know, just, you know why don't you just stay in 389 00:19:21,730 --> 00:19:23,093 your cube for today and be sure to be a little more 390 00:19:23,133 --> 00:19:25,521 conservatively dressed tomorrow? 391 00:19:26,383 --> 00:19:31,488 and her company policy yeah, but there was nothing in that 392 00:19:31,788 --> 00:19:32,950 violated a dress code. 393 00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:34,671 Honestly, there, it wasn't. 394 00:19:34,671 --> 00:19:41,045 It was just she did the outfit up a little bit more yeah better 395 00:19:41,045 --> 00:19:47,565 than you know other people yeah she wasn't as traditional so 396 00:19:47,605 --> 00:19:49,048 yeah, so that was like. 397 00:19:49,930 --> 00:19:53,357 Speaker 3: That's the one end of it, is like, as hr, how would 398 00:19:53,397 --> 00:19:54,440 you handle a situation? 399 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,983 Because I feel like if we were to follow more it's a coachable 400 00:19:59,003 --> 00:20:02,673 situation it wouldn't have been an immediate, termable offense. 401 00:20:02,673 --> 00:20:06,747 On the other side, it's kind of you alluded to it before. 402 00:20:06,747 --> 00:20:10,619 I'm thinking like, at the end of the day, you're going to be 403 00:20:10,700 --> 00:20:13,685 remembered as the person who dressed like that, like that's 404 00:20:13,747 --> 00:20:16,492 who you're going to be remembered by and if you're cool 405 00:20:16,492 --> 00:20:22,229 with that, okay, but just understand that, yes, if, if 406 00:20:22,249 --> 00:20:25,881 we're going by the story of like look good, feel good, live, 407 00:20:25,901 --> 00:20:31,451 laugh, love, there's like, yeah, you're free to do what you want 408 00:20:31,451 --> 00:20:34,063 , but at the same time, it's not free of consequences. 409 00:20:34,063 --> 00:20:37,311 So, exactly, and I did, I'm going to be honest with you. 410 00:20:37,759 --> 00:20:43,385 I had a couple like in my 20s, like early in my career. 411 00:20:43,385 --> 00:20:47,590 I had a couple or one particular person pull me aside 412 00:20:47,770 --> 00:20:52,796 and give me feedback on me showing too much of my cleavage 413 00:20:52,875 --> 00:20:56,609 at work and I was incensed because I was like in my 20s and 414 00:20:56,609 --> 00:20:59,911 I'm like who does she think she is telling me she wears lower 415 00:20:59,971 --> 00:21:01,576 cut like shirts than I do? 416 00:21:01,576 --> 00:21:04,746 She just happens to be flat chested but at the same time, I 417 00:21:04,766 --> 00:21:07,332 think the advice she gave me was kind of the best advice. 418 00:21:07,332 --> 00:21:12,188 Hey, listen, like you have a lot of, you're a very smart 419 00:21:12,228 --> 00:21:17,357 person, you have a lot of really great ideas and you're such a 420 00:21:17,438 --> 00:21:18,359 value to this company. 421 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:19,300 Like, I'm afraid. 422 00:21:19,300 --> 00:21:22,625 I think she said I'm afraid that your messaging will get 423 00:21:22,806 --> 00:21:29,815 lost because people will be distracted by, like, how you're 424 00:21:29,835 --> 00:21:30,236 dressed. 425 00:21:30,236 --> 00:21:33,727 And I was like, hmm, I fucking hate that. 426 00:21:33,727 --> 00:21:34,769 She's kind of right. 427 00:21:36,532 --> 00:21:36,933 Speaker 2: It's true. 428 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,104 Speaker 3: And I'd hate to say it. 429 00:21:39,183 --> 00:21:41,832 Speaker 2: It's probably more so for women than it is for men. 430 00:21:42,662 --> 00:21:43,585 Speaker 3: It is, it is. 431 00:21:43,585 --> 00:21:50,281 It is Because I will say I don't think in all of my I don't 432 00:21:50,281 --> 00:21:53,905 think in all of my career I have ever heard of a man being 433 00:21:53,945 --> 00:21:58,151 pulled to do an office and being told that the way he is dressed 434 00:21:58,151 --> 00:22:02,096 can be a negative reflection of his professionalism. 435 00:22:02,096 --> 00:22:05,102 What do you guys have? 436 00:22:05,102 --> 00:22:06,005 Polos? 437 00:22:06,005 --> 00:22:07,848 You got vests. 438 00:22:07,848 --> 00:22:09,772 If you're in finance, like, what do you got? 439 00:22:10,621 --> 00:22:15,752 Speaker 2: Well, I will say I wanted, I'm not going to. 440 00:22:15,752 --> 00:22:17,145 I'm not the dress code police. 441 00:22:17,145 --> 00:22:18,021 Hr should not. 442 00:22:18,021 --> 00:22:22,191 If the manager and the team have a problem with it, they can 443 00:22:22,191 --> 00:22:24,787 bring it to me and I'm actually going to probably push it back. 444 00:22:24,787 --> 00:22:27,407 Okay, here's what you need to, how you need to address it with 445 00:22:27,627 --> 00:22:28,631 your employee. 446 00:22:28,631 --> 00:22:31,400 It's not my employee, it's your employee. 447 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:36,385 But there was this one guy I worked with, a very nice guy, 448 00:22:36,826 --> 00:22:40,570 but he always looked like he just came out from a 449 00:22:40,611 --> 00:22:42,913 refrigerator box on the side of the road. 450 00:22:43,114 --> 00:22:44,796 Speaker 3: He looked like a bag of shit he did. 451 00:22:46,039 --> 00:22:49,606 Speaker 2: I mean, first, the dress code policy did say no 452 00:22:49,727 --> 00:22:53,815 torn jeans, no torn pants, anything, nothing torn. 453 00:22:53,815 --> 00:22:58,083 His favorite pair of pants were these like shredded pants that 454 00:22:58,163 --> 00:23:02,211 had, like I don't know, only 40% of the material left in them 455 00:23:02,791 --> 00:23:04,662 and he wore those all the time. 456 00:23:04,662 --> 00:23:07,567 And he wore graphic tees all the time. 457 00:23:07,567 --> 00:23:12,163 And if we didn't have a policy, graphic tees weren't against 458 00:23:12,204 --> 00:23:14,611 our policy, but it wasn't our culture either. 459 00:23:14,611 --> 00:23:19,986 There's nobody who wore graphic tees and our dress code is so 460 00:23:20,066 --> 00:23:21,849 bad I'll go ahead and say it. 461 00:23:22,490 --> 00:23:25,042 I mentioned before a couple of my co-workers listened to this, 462 00:23:25,284 --> 00:23:28,932 so they know who I'm talking about but our president violates 463 00:23:28,932 --> 00:23:30,903 the dress code, if you take it verbatim. 464 00:23:30,903 --> 00:23:36,451 And it's always been on my to-do list that I want to redo 465 00:23:36,491 --> 00:23:38,515 the dress code and make it more modern. 466 00:23:38,515 --> 00:23:44,452 But in our company, dress code's not an issue. 467 00:23:44,452 --> 00:23:47,329 That's the only person I can think of that I can think of. 468 00:23:47,329 --> 00:23:49,288 Yeah, you didn't. 469 00:23:49,288 --> 00:23:51,847 He's no longer with us, but you didn't. 470 00:23:51,847 --> 00:23:55,063 I'm not going to be the dress code police. 471 00:23:55,063 --> 00:23:57,527 But as long as their manager wasn't saying anything to me, I 472 00:23:57,547 --> 00:24:03,625 was like, ok, it's, it's your, it's your thing, but it's dress 473 00:24:03,644 --> 00:24:03,826 code. 474 00:24:05,541 --> 00:24:05,983 Speaker 3: Or forcing them. 475 00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:09,148 Speaker 2: They're important, but they, they suck just the 476 00:24:09,189 --> 00:24:09,470 same. 477 00:24:09,779 --> 00:24:11,162 Speaker 3: They are, and especially if you work in an 478 00:24:11,201 --> 00:24:15,788 environment that has, you know, health and safety things like, 479 00:24:15,929 --> 00:24:19,355 oh, closed-toed shoes and, like you know, whatever, like that 480 00:24:19,394 --> 00:24:22,248 kind of stuff, it's super important, super important for 481 00:24:22,288 --> 00:24:22,769 dress code. 482 00:24:22,769 --> 00:24:25,669 Yeah, I don't, I don't know. 483 00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:27,805 Just, you know what? 484 00:24:27,805 --> 00:24:32,692 Just don't, just wear clothes and do your job. 485 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:34,842 Speaker 2: Wear correct clothes and do your job. 486 00:24:34,842 --> 00:24:36,307 Buddy, yeah, wear correct clothes and do your job. 487 00:24:36,307 --> 00:24:39,215 Wear, wear correct clothes and do your job buddy, yeah, and do 488 00:24:39,236 --> 00:24:39,497 your job. 489 00:24:40,358 --> 00:24:42,625 Speaker 3: I will say we were going through that awkward phase 490 00:24:42,625 --> 00:24:49,323 of going from business casual attire to wearing jeans to work. 491 00:24:49,323 --> 00:24:53,096 I will say I'm a jeans person through and through, especially 492 00:24:53,438 --> 00:24:54,541 in an office environment. 493 00:24:54,541 --> 00:24:59,023 If it's a culture that is like finance or something like that, 494 00:24:59,064 --> 00:25:03,041 where you're dressed in a suit every day, do not don't even 495 00:25:03,082 --> 00:25:06,029 reach out for me, like don't even reach out to me for an open 496 00:25:06,029 --> 00:25:07,520 position, like I don't know. 497 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:13,309 But there's, like this one of the one of the I think it was 498 00:25:13,329 --> 00:25:15,874 the COO, the, yeah, coo. 499 00:25:15,874 --> 00:25:20,201 He was hissed that we were put bringing jeans into the dress 500 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:25,156 code because he was very old school and he just believed that 501 00:25:25,156 --> 00:25:29,323 the work environment is to be you have to dress professionally 502 00:25:29,323 --> 00:25:29,323 . 503 00:25:29,804 --> 00:25:34,368 And he came in one day to kind of protest the gene 504 00:25:34,469 --> 00:25:38,453 implementation and he came in these raggedy jeans that were 505 00:25:38,534 --> 00:25:43,204 torn and just looked like crap and he was like, yeah, like this 506 00:25:43,204 --> 00:25:44,669 is what it's going to look like every day. 507 00:25:44,669 --> 00:25:45,672 I hope you like it. 508 00:25:45,672 --> 00:25:47,720 Like this is what people are going to come to work at, just 509 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,086 being a dick about it. 510 00:25:49,086 --> 00:25:53,542 And then, of course, the dress code passed and everyone was 511 00:25:53,643 --> 00:25:57,763 thrilled and people for the most part are I're not like they're 512 00:25:57,784 --> 00:26:01,516 gonna use common sense for the most part and he went out and 513 00:26:01,596 --> 00:26:04,683 again, this is someone like why would you do this? 514 00:26:04,683 --> 00:26:08,271 He then went out and really leaned into it and he bought a 515 00:26:08,311 --> 00:26:12,768 pair of like 180 jeans and like a couple like really expensive 516 00:26:13,028 --> 00:26:15,422 jeans just for work, because those are his work jeans. 517 00:26:16,064 --> 00:26:18,963 And then he like started talking about how much money he spent 518 00:26:19,144 --> 00:26:19,365 on it. 519 00:26:19,365 --> 00:26:25,623 And I'm like dude, you just stop, just stop, just stop 520 00:26:25,722 --> 00:26:28,593 bragging about the money you spent on your jeans. 521 00:26:29,415 --> 00:26:34,768 Speaker 2: Like just go back to your office so I have one more 522 00:26:34,827 --> 00:26:37,874 dress code story before I go to switch topics. 523 00:26:37,874 --> 00:26:40,866 It's from my wonderful brother. 524 00:26:40,866 --> 00:26:44,430 He is the perpetrator in this story. 525 00:26:44,430 --> 00:26:49,101 He spent the first I don't know how many years of his career he 526 00:26:49,101 --> 00:26:51,925 was when he was a captain in the army. 527 00:26:51,925 --> 00:26:54,912 He'd spent more time deployed than the other captain in the 528 00:26:55,071 --> 00:26:55,953 whole US Army. 529 00:26:55,953 --> 00:27:00,676 So you get little stripes on your dress uniform for every six 530 00:27:00,676 --> 00:27:01,359 months deployed. 531 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:06,590 And then he got promoted to major and he graduated from 532 00:27:06,671 --> 00:27:10,882 Virginia Military Institute and he saw a job opening for 533 00:27:10,922 --> 00:27:13,365 military science instructor at VMI and applied for it 534 00:27:13,384 --> 00:27:17,509 instructor at VMI and applied for it While he was in I don't 535 00:27:17,528 --> 00:27:19,851 know if it was Iraq or Afghanistan, I don't remember 536 00:27:20,050 --> 00:27:20,872 exactly where. 537 00:27:21,271 --> 00:27:25,375 They flew him out of theater, as they say, all the way to 538 00:27:25,415 --> 00:27:31,541 Baltimore, maryland, to interview him. 539 00:27:31,541 --> 00:27:33,525 And he's going along his whole life thinking he's interviewing 540 00:27:33,545 --> 00:27:35,627 for this military science professor at VMI and they flew 541 00:27:35,647 --> 00:27:39,835 him back to wherever he was coming from and things like that 542 00:27:39,835 --> 00:27:39,835 . 543 00:27:39,835 --> 00:27:43,645 He's there for a few more months and they said okay, we're 544 00:27:43,645 --> 00:27:47,981 hiring you, you're going to West Point, he's going to be a 545 00:27:48,001 --> 00:27:50,568 military science professor at West Point, the United States 546 00:27:50,608 --> 00:27:54,982 Military Academy, and he didn't really want that, but it made 547 00:27:55,022 --> 00:27:59,587 him non-deployable for so many years and he was sort of looking 548 00:27:59,587 --> 00:28:03,852 forward to that not being deployable and things like that. 549 00:28:03,852 --> 00:28:07,494 So anyways, he goes and he's doing a great job and everybody 550 00:28:07,536 --> 00:28:17,500 loves him and all that other fun stuff is a higher up. 551 00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:18,162 Now, at this point he's a major . 552 00:28:18,162 --> 00:28:19,465 And at some point somebody pulls him aside and says, okay, 553 00:28:19,506 --> 00:28:21,170 you know, one of the reasons you were hired is because you're so 554 00:28:21,170 --> 00:28:22,153 highly decorated. 555 00:28:22,153 --> 00:28:26,128 And you know he only wore like five ribbons on his service, 556 00:28:26,169 --> 00:28:27,692 ribbons on his uniform. 557 00:28:27,692 --> 00:28:29,759 And you know we want you to. 558 00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:32,182 You know, we think the students will be impressed by your 559 00:28:32,201 --> 00:28:33,162 ribbons, your credentials, et cetera. 560 00:28:33,162 --> 00:28:35,002 And he says they're going to be impressed with your ribbons, 561 00:28:35,022 --> 00:28:36,144 your credentials, etc. 562 00:28:36,144 --> 00:28:38,204 And he says they're going to be impressed with me because I'm 563 00:28:38,224 --> 00:28:42,406 their professor not because I am there, because I have all these 564 00:28:42,406 --> 00:28:42,847 ribbons. 565 00:28:42,847 --> 00:28:46,910 And they just told him oh, we'd like you to wear more ribbons 566 00:28:47,109 --> 00:28:48,131 than what you do. 567 00:28:48,131 --> 00:28:50,632 He said, well, these five or six are ones that actually mean 568 00:28:50,672 --> 00:28:52,192 something to me, so I'll just stick with that. 569 00:28:52,192 --> 00:28:57,375 And he said, no, you are going to wear your more ribbons. 570 00:28:57,375 --> 00:29:01,258 And he said, well, the military dress code doesn't say I have 571 00:29:01,298 --> 00:29:04,181 to and you are wearing it. 572 00:29:04,201 --> 00:29:07,546 So my brother, in his full you know being a complete a-hole 573 00:29:07,566 --> 00:29:12,612 that he can be for like two weeks in a row came in to work 574 00:29:12,893 --> 00:29:15,195 at West Point wearing his dress tuxedo. 575 00:29:15,195 --> 00:29:20,243 In to work at West Point wearing his dress, tuxedo and 576 00:29:20,263 --> 00:29:21,971 with the full ribbon and metal, not just the ribbon on his chest 577 00:29:21,971 --> 00:29:24,622 but the ribbon and the metal and all the accoutrement he 578 00:29:24,662 --> 00:29:25,365 could manage. 579 00:29:25,365 --> 00:29:28,788 He said he looked like a South American dictator walking down 580 00:29:28,808 --> 00:29:29,510 the halls there. 581 00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:33,125 And he did that for two weeks and then he went back to wearing 582 00:29:33,125 --> 00:29:36,042 what he was going to do and nobody said a peep to him ever 583 00:29:36,083 --> 00:29:38,307 again about wearing his, his stuff. 584 00:29:38,307 --> 00:29:41,473 He said I put every metal, every little accoutrement, every 585 00:29:41,473 --> 00:29:45,167 little whatever you know, participation award ribbon they, 586 00:29:45,167 --> 00:29:46,109 they give you. 587 00:29:46,109 --> 00:29:50,227 He said I put them all on and but he did not last very long at 588 00:29:50,227 --> 00:29:50,688 west point. 589 00:29:50,688 --> 00:29:55,805 He, that was his least favorite deployment in 24 years in in 590 00:29:55,845 --> 00:29:56,385 the army. 591 00:29:56,385 --> 00:30:00,594 So that, yeah, he, he re-upped once there and then he said nope 592 00:30:00,594 --> 00:30:00,834 , I'm not. 593 00:30:02,904 --> 00:30:03,749 Speaker 3: I can't do it anymore . 594 00:30:03,749 --> 00:30:08,625 I love a story that involves malicious compliance. 595 00:30:08,625 --> 00:30:10,588 So you want me to wear a ribbon , I'll wear all my ribbons. 596 00:30:10,588 --> 00:30:14,576 Oh, if ribbons like down in the street, oh, or ribbons from 597 00:30:14,636 --> 00:30:15,759 Michael's, I don't care. 598 00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:18,144 Yeah, yeah, you want ribbons? 599 00:30:18,144 --> 00:30:18,925 I'll give you ribbon. 600 00:30:20,249 --> 00:30:26,445 Speaker 2: Oh, so the other story I had is you know, we're 601 00:30:26,486 --> 00:30:27,709 just past May the 4th. 602 00:30:27,709 --> 00:30:28,356 We're what? 603 00:30:28,356 --> 00:30:30,243 Nine days past May the 4th. 604 00:30:30,894 --> 00:30:32,622 Speaker 3: It's the holiest holiday of the year. 605 00:30:33,296 --> 00:30:35,363 Speaker 2: The holiest holiday of the year. 606 00:30:35,383 --> 00:30:35,884 Speaker 1: It's for me. 607 00:30:38,117 --> 00:30:40,003 Speaker 2: Did you sit there and have yourself a Star Wars 608 00:30:40,044 --> 00:30:40,546 marathon? 609 00:30:42,196 --> 00:30:43,300 Speaker 3: I did not this year. 610 00:30:44,234 --> 00:30:48,174 Speaker 2: And do you skip episode two, the Jar Jar Binks? 611 00:30:48,174 --> 00:30:48,556 Yeah. 612 00:30:49,420 --> 00:30:49,741 Speaker 3: I do. 613 00:30:49,741 --> 00:30:51,840 Oh my God, I've never done it. 614 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,982 We're going to go on a Star Wars tangent really quick. 615 00:30:53,982 --> 00:30:57,558 I forget what it's called, Okay , so I don't know if you? 616 00:30:57,558 --> 00:31:01,157 For those of you who are not Star Wars fans, please forgive 617 00:31:01,198 --> 00:31:05,547 me for the next minute, but it is called Machete Style. 618 00:31:06,067 --> 00:31:06,308 Speaker 2: Yes. 619 00:31:07,096 --> 00:31:14,527 Speaker 3: Yes, so it's episode four, five, then you skip to two 620 00:31:14,527 --> 00:31:20,718 and three, so it's almost like a flashback situation, and then 621 00:31:20,738 --> 00:31:24,932 you go back to episode six and then you can do like the last 622 00:31:24,991 --> 00:31:28,931 trilogy, but completely omit episode one. 623 00:31:28,931 --> 00:31:31,442 That's what we omit, because episode one is garbage. 624 00:31:32,837 --> 00:31:33,821 Speaker 2: Is that the Jar Jar Binks? 625 00:31:34,001 --> 00:31:34,942 Speaker 3: one, that's the Jar Jar one. 626 00:31:34,942 --> 00:31:35,163 Yeah. 627 00:31:35,263 --> 00:31:36,683 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, I thought it was two off the top of my 628 00:31:36,704 --> 00:31:36,905 cheek. 629 00:31:36,905 --> 00:31:41,723 Yeah, I've watched it so many different ways. 630 00:31:41,723 --> 00:31:47,019 It's crazy, but I think our fans like Star Wars because one 631 00:31:47,058 --> 00:31:51,944 of our all-time favorites when we had Dolores the Empire's Evil 632 00:31:51,944 --> 00:31:51,944 . 633 00:31:52,265 --> 00:31:55,088 Speaker 3: Hr person that was one of our high time. 634 00:31:55,088 --> 00:31:56,691 Dolores. 635 00:31:56,770 --> 00:31:57,030 Speaker 2: Listen. 636 00:31:57,275 --> 00:31:59,875 Speaker 3: She's doing the work, she's doing the work, she's 637 00:31:59,895 --> 00:32:00,640 doing the work. 638 00:32:01,275 --> 00:32:03,701 Speaker 2: I would love to go to one of the Comic-Con type 639 00:32:03,741 --> 00:32:05,627 things and meet her in person. 640 00:32:05,627 --> 00:32:06,210 How? 641 00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:06,549 Speaker 3: funny. 642 00:32:06,951 --> 00:32:11,285 Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, I've watched the machete style before 643 00:32:11,285 --> 00:32:12,367 as well, so yeah. 644 00:32:12,367 --> 00:32:18,462 But I will have to say Rogue One is one of my favorite Star 645 00:32:18,482 --> 00:32:24,876 wars movies and I I would agree it was, it was so different for 646 00:32:25,116 --> 00:32:27,221 the franchise in a positive way. 647 00:32:27,221 --> 00:32:33,117 And yeah, yeah, so it's rogue one is is still my, my favorite 648 00:32:33,258 --> 00:32:34,540 and I'm looking forward to. 649 00:32:34,540 --> 00:32:37,435 You know people are hating so much on all the new star wars 650 00:32:37,455 --> 00:32:41,685 stuff I could not get through the Young Rebels, was that what 651 00:32:41,705 --> 00:32:42,146 it was called? 652 00:32:42,166 --> 00:32:44,441 Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't watch that one. 653 00:32:45,035 --> 00:32:46,099 Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't get through it. 654 00:32:46,099 --> 00:32:49,144 I'm trying to finish Andor right now. 655 00:32:49,144 --> 00:32:52,943 I was trying to watch it while sick, on Saturday or on Monday, 656 00:32:52,983 --> 00:32:53,846 while I was home from work. 657 00:32:53,846 --> 00:32:56,063 I tried watching it, but I wasn't paying enough attention 658 00:32:58,934 --> 00:32:59,015 work. 659 00:32:59,015 --> 00:33:00,337 I tried watching it, but I wasn't paying enough attention 660 00:33:00,377 --> 00:33:02,021 and or is a a show, you have to pay attention, almost intense 661 00:33:02,041 --> 00:33:03,505 attention, to the whole thing. 662 00:33:03,545 --> 00:33:06,339 You can't look at your phone for five seconds, because you will, 663 00:33:06,339 --> 00:33:07,723 you will get there. 664 00:33:07,723 --> 00:33:09,329 But I've watched all the. 665 00:33:09,329 --> 00:33:12,777 I love the cartoons clone wars and rebels, I'm all about those. 666 00:33:12,777 --> 00:33:18,964 Those are actually damn good things, but anyways, yeah, so, 667 00:33:19,486 --> 00:33:22,088 anyways, going on to star wars here. 668 00:33:22,088 --> 00:33:26,782 So this person her name is lorna rook, she's in the uk 669 00:33:26,843 --> 00:33:27,203 somewhere. 670 00:33:27,203 --> 00:33:31,035 She's a blood donation supervisor and apparently 671 00:33:31,736 --> 00:33:37,363 sometime in her absence, her team filled out a star 672 00:33:37,403 --> 00:33:43,130 wars-themed Meyer-Briggs test for her and she came out to be 673 00:33:43,671 --> 00:33:44,230 Darth Vader. 674 00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:48,941 Speaker 3: Which? 675 00:33:48,941 --> 00:33:49,101 Listen. 676 00:33:49,101 --> 00:33:53,128 He's a flawed person, but he has his strengths. 677 00:33:54,397 --> 00:33:55,342 Speaker 2: He's a great leader. 678 00:33:56,315 --> 00:33:56,957 Speaker 3: You know what he's a leader. 679 00:33:56,957 --> 00:33:57,378 He's a great leader. 680 00:33:57,378 --> 00:33:58,903 You know what he's a leader. 681 00:34:00,249 --> 00:34:01,011 Speaker 2: He's a leader. 682 00:34:01,011 --> 00:34:04,702 I like when he's like force choking this dude, and he says 683 00:34:05,525 --> 00:34:07,719 he's such a great leader, he lifts up those around him. 684 00:34:08,862 --> 00:34:12,039 Speaker 3: You know what the mark of a great leader is? 685 00:34:12,039 --> 00:34:17,086 Those who can lift their team, lift those around them. 686 00:34:17,106 --> 00:34:20,617 Speaker 2: Okay, my first. 687 00:34:20,617 --> 00:34:24,786 If I were to get some sort of superhuman power, my first would 688 00:34:24,786 --> 00:34:25,768 be the Thanos snap. 689 00:34:25,768 --> 00:34:29,525 I would be snapping like a freaking jet West Side. 690 00:34:29,525 --> 00:34:33,666 Story I'd be snapping and like stupid people. 691 00:34:33,666 --> 00:34:36,864 I'd be just snap, snap, snap, snap everywhere. 692 00:34:36,864 --> 00:34:38,501 It wouldn't be just a random 50%. 693 00:34:38,501 --> 00:34:39,164 And the second thing I'd want I'd be just nap, snap, snap, 694 00:34:39,099 --> 00:34:39,335 snap everywhere. 695 00:34:39,335 --> 00:34:39,619 It wouldn't be just a random 50%. 696 00:34:39,619 --> 00:34:42,338 And the second thing I'd want I'd want the force choke. 697 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,157 I would want to be able to choke someone from across the room 698 00:34:46,177 --> 00:34:49,021 without even getting the, maybe even on a Zoom call. 699 00:34:49,021 --> 00:34:52,016 You're across the country on a Zoom call with me and you're 700 00:34:52,175 --> 00:34:56,717 ticking me off and I can just choke you out from 3,000 miles 701 00:34:56,737 --> 00:34:59,025 away, more than Obi-Wan's mind control. 702 00:34:59,916 --> 00:35:01,681 Speaker 3: These are not the droids you're looking for. 703 00:35:01,681 --> 00:35:02,605 That's what I want. 704 00:35:02,605 --> 00:35:04,643 I want to be able to manipulate people. 705 00:35:05,576 --> 00:35:06,701 Speaker 2: Oh, I can manipulate them that got dark. 706 00:35:06,875 --> 00:35:10,442 Pain's a great motivator, but anyways. 707 00:35:10,442 --> 00:35:14,322 So the team got a good laugh out of this. 708 00:35:14,322 --> 00:35:15,586 She did not. 709 00:35:15,586 --> 00:35:19,023 And what happens when someone gets their feelings hurt? 710 00:35:19,023 --> 00:35:21,382 Now in the United States we have snowflakes. 711 00:35:21,382 --> 00:35:24,594 This takes snowflakes to the newest level. 712 00:35:24,594 --> 00:35:26,597 I don't know what's worse than a snowflake. 713 00:35:26,597 --> 00:35:33,929 She sued and she won over 29,000 pounds and I didn't do 714 00:35:33,949 --> 00:35:37,842 the math to figure out what that is in American dollars, but she 715 00:35:37,842 --> 00:35:41,728 cut 29,000 pounds with it. 716 00:35:41,728 --> 00:35:46,045 A legal observer said it's not about Darth Vader. 717 00:35:46,045 --> 00:35:49,184 It's about respect, consent and trust in the workplace. 718 00:35:49,184 --> 00:35:50,876 It sends a message. 719 00:35:50,876 --> 00:35:54,804 Even playful team activities can pack serious consequences if 720 00:35:54,804 --> 00:35:56,148 boundaries aren't respected. 721 00:35:58,016 --> 00:36:03,394 Speaker 1: So I think that first of all, this is all for 38 722 00:36:04,135 --> 00:36:11,184 thousand dollars, 38 600 in us 36 nonsense 723 00:36:11,786 --> 00:36:15,110 Speaker 3: yeah take away half to pay your lawyer to do this. 724 00:36:15,110 --> 00:36:17,161 Was it worth it? 725 00:36:17,161 --> 00:36:22,860 This is why we can't have nice things, and this is also like 726 00:36:25,860 --> 00:36:27,405 you are acting very Vader-ish. 727 00:36:27,405 --> 00:36:31,422 I mean, you are proving the point Well see, I disagreed. 728 00:36:31,536 --> 00:36:33,496 Speaker 2: I didn't think she's acting Vader-ish and I didn't 729 00:36:33,536 --> 00:36:38,103 know the term for these creatures, but I had to ask AI 730 00:36:38,275 --> 00:36:40,615 what's the most timid creature in the Star Wars universe? 731 00:36:40,615 --> 00:36:42,018 And it came up with the Docma. 732 00:36:42,018 --> 00:36:49,769 And they pray for a larger, spider-like Kirka on their home 733 00:36:49,835 --> 00:36:54,643 planet, etylon, further indicating vulnerability in 734 00:36:55,965 --> 00:36:56,545 timidity. 735 00:36:56,545 --> 00:36:59,795 Boy, I can't speak, but yeah, I don't remember them, but 736 00:36:59,815 --> 00:37:05,378 they're in Star Wars, rebels and other shows and they look like 737 00:37:05,458 --> 00:37:08,527 Gary from SpongeBob actually is what I would call them. 738 00:37:10,496 --> 00:37:13,197 They would look like Gary from SpongeBob, but I couldn't say 739 00:37:13,619 --> 00:37:14,824 that that's a dogma. 740 00:37:14,824 --> 00:37:17,637 But maybe I was thinking, maybe a porg, something like that, 741 00:37:17,677 --> 00:37:22,684 that people have more relevant, have seen more relevant. 742 00:37:22,684 --> 00:37:27,385 But really to get that butt hurt, to sue over now I might 743 00:37:27,405 --> 00:37:30,083 get mad if you call me Jar Jar Binks, but I'm just kidding. 744 00:37:30,494 --> 00:37:33,539 Speaker 3: I don't think anyone should as anyone should. 745 00:37:34,101 --> 00:37:53,385 Speaker 2: Yes, you tried to be the death of the entire creature 746 00:37:53,385 --> 00:37:53,385 ? 747 00:37:53,585 --> 00:37:56,887 Speaker 3: Like, is this a case where this person has probably 748 00:37:56,987 --> 00:38:02,291 felt some kind of way, has felt bullied, has felt alienated, and 749 00:38:02,291 --> 00:38:04,932 now this is just kind of the thing that put them over the 750 00:38:05,072 --> 00:38:06,378 edge, like I would. 751 00:38:06,378 --> 00:38:10,137 Okay, I get that, but if we're taking it at face value of 752 00:38:10,177 --> 00:38:15,168 someone who just can't laugh at themselves, I say boo, laura 753 00:38:15,188 --> 00:38:15,809 Knob, boo. 754 00:38:16,934 --> 00:38:18,496 Speaker 2: She's going to have a tough time getting into that. 755 00:38:18,496 --> 00:38:19,697 Boo, laura Knob, boo, she's going to have a tough time 756 00:38:19,717 --> 00:38:20,038 getting into it. 757 00:38:20,038 --> 00:38:22,440 You know she goes to a new job and someone's going to give her 758 00:38:22,460 --> 00:38:24,742 a Darth Vader cookie for her first day, or something like 759 00:38:24,782 --> 00:38:25,023 that. 760 00:38:25,744 --> 00:38:27,947 Speaker 3: But honestly, like I mean, I'm one of those people. 761 00:38:27,947 --> 00:38:29,027 I know people Listen. 762 00:38:29,027 --> 00:38:30,108 This is very polarizing. 763 00:38:30,108 --> 00:38:32,550 I know some people are into team building activities like 764 00:38:32,590 --> 00:38:32,791 this. 765 00:38:32,791 --> 00:38:34,757 I know some people aren't. 766 00:38:34,757 --> 00:38:37,382 I think a Star Wars twist to it is kind of cute. 767 00:38:37,382 --> 00:38:40,438 Especially I'm going to assume it might have been around May 768 00:38:40,458 --> 00:38:40,938 the 4th. 769 00:38:40,938 --> 00:38:42,063 That's cute. 770 00:38:42,063 --> 00:38:43,126 I think it's cute. 771 00:38:43,126 --> 00:38:46,076 I don't really think there's any harm in that. 772 00:38:46,697 --> 00:38:49,724 Speaker 1: But then again, if you're a manager you got to know 773 00:38:49,724 --> 00:38:50,246 your audience. 774 00:38:50,306 --> 00:38:51,956 Speaker 3: So if you know there's someone on your team 775 00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:55,161 who's going to be a little more butthurt if you look at them the 776 00:38:55,161 --> 00:38:57,465 wrong way, like maybe this isn't the activity, that 777 00:38:57,485 --> 00:39:02,557 activity, like maybe you do different things, but I don't 778 00:39:02,577 --> 00:39:05,880 know, I do think it's harmless, but then again, I'm not Lorna 779 00:39:05,940 --> 00:39:06,903 and I'm not in her head. 780 00:39:08,056 --> 00:39:09,420 Speaker 2: So I still say boo Lorna. 781 00:39:09,420 --> 00:39:10,905 Yeah, I do too. 782 00:39:10,905 --> 00:39:14,385 She said the comparison made her feel isolated and unpopular. 783 00:39:15,014 --> 00:39:16,800 Speaker 3: Probably is unpopular for different reasons. 784 00:39:17,222 --> 00:39:21,516 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly their tribunal agreed it wasn't just a 785 00:39:21,516 --> 00:39:22,338 harmless joke. 786 00:39:22,338 --> 00:39:27,047 It it cross-lined into workplace detriment, especially 787 00:39:27,068 --> 00:39:31,519 given works, diagnose anxiety and stress related challenges. 788 00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:38,148 Okay, I, anxiety is I'm not saying it's not, but it is so, 789 00:39:38,349 --> 00:39:40,090 so, so overused. 790 00:39:40,090 --> 00:39:46,123 We cannot be a functioning society if everybody and their 791 00:39:46,224 --> 00:39:49,068 brother is this highly anxious. 792 00:39:49,068 --> 00:39:54,057 Like I said, anxiety is real, I know it, you know it's real. 793 00:39:54,057 --> 00:39:57,364 But the amount of people who just get anxious over the 794 00:39:57,423 --> 00:40:01,998 stupidest shit, that's something else and I'm not a mental 795 00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:02,782 health professional. 796 00:40:02,922 --> 00:40:07,166 Speaker 3: But I think I don't know. 797 00:40:07,166 --> 00:40:09,882 We are not a mental health podcast. 798 00:40:09,882 --> 00:40:11,606 Just that, just to let you know . 799 00:40:11,606 --> 00:40:14,724 These are just two HR professionals who know nothing 800 00:40:14,824 --> 00:40:15,485 about psychology. 801 00:40:15,485 --> 00:40:21,838 But like I get it, I get and I get when people are like, oh, 802 00:40:21,998 --> 00:40:23,885 someone finds something triggering right? 803 00:40:23,954 --> 00:40:25,402 Speaker 2: We hear that word a lot, a lot. 804 00:40:25,402 --> 00:40:27,942 Oh, trigger is another one of my least favorite phrases. 805 00:40:27,961 --> 00:40:28,784 Speaker 3: That's one of your pet peeves. 806 00:40:29,226 --> 00:40:29,465 Speaker 2: Yeah. 807 00:40:29,655 --> 00:40:32,356 Speaker 3: Well, I think there's legitimately two like there's 808 00:40:32,617 --> 00:40:35,898 things out there like, oh, if I like hear something, or like I 809 00:40:35,938 --> 00:40:36,581 don't like it. 810 00:40:36,581 --> 00:40:40,998 But I also think it's a person's responsibility to 811 00:40:41,018 --> 00:40:45,125 understand why things are triggering to themselves and 812 00:40:45,184 --> 00:40:50,101 therefore they must then do the work instead of just putting a 813 00:40:50,161 --> 00:40:53,347 bubble around themselves and dictating that other people 814 00:40:53,467 --> 00:40:54,496 can't do things. 815 00:40:54,496 --> 00:40:57,501 Like I'm like this whole Star Wars thing right. 816 00:40:57,501 --> 00:41:00,994 Like, oh, like, why is this triggering to me? 817 00:41:00,994 --> 00:41:03,722 Like maybe I should do the work in and of myself to figure out 818 00:41:03,782 --> 00:41:05,606 why this is bothering me. 819 00:41:06,275 --> 00:41:09,882 I always, I always use the story of you know, the thing I hate 820 00:41:09,902 --> 00:41:13,976 to hear the most in my life is what do you want to do for 821 00:41:13,996 --> 00:41:14,237 dinner? 822 00:41:14,237 --> 00:41:16,101 I think for me. 823 00:41:16,101 --> 00:41:17,824 I hate that question. 824 00:41:17,824 --> 00:41:18,626 I hear it. 825 00:41:18,626 --> 00:41:24,523 I spiral into like an ADHD wormhole of like, oh my God, 826 00:41:24,543 --> 00:41:25,905 that's one more thing I have to plan. 827 00:41:25,905 --> 00:41:27,637 Oh my God, I have to do all this stuff too. 828 00:41:27,637 --> 00:41:28,679 Oh my blah, blah, blah. 829 00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:30,925 Like it, it does something to me. 830 00:41:30,925 --> 00:41:33,436 But at the same time, like I can't get angry at my husband 831 00:41:33,577 --> 00:41:36,460 every single time he asks a simple, damn question of what 832 00:41:36,541 --> 00:41:38,284 food we're going to consume in the evening. 833 00:41:38,284 --> 00:41:43,130 So, like you know, I think anxiety is real. 834 00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:46,298 I think mental health is real, but I also think especially in 835 00:41:46,318 --> 00:41:49,487 the case of Lorna over here you have to be able to function in 836 00:41:49,527 --> 00:41:53,125 society and therefore sometimes it's not a them problem, 837 00:41:53,295 --> 00:41:57,242 sometimes it's a you issue, and you need to do the work to help 838 00:41:57,342 --> 00:41:58,947 navigate your own triggers. 839 00:41:58,947 --> 00:42:01,579 Yeah, and that's what I'm going to say. 840 00:42:01,579 --> 00:42:05,007 Mic drop Again, I am not a mental health professional. 841 00:42:07,637 --> 00:42:10,603 Speaker 2: Well, I listen to audio books like crazy. 842 00:42:10,603 --> 00:42:13,668 I don't know how many hours I've listened to already this 843 00:42:13,735 --> 00:42:17,603 year, but the book I started today actually the first 844 00:42:18,643 --> 00:42:21,108 pre-chapter after Audible presents. 845 00:42:21,108 --> 00:42:28,306 It's like a page-long trigger warning about the book and, okay 846 00:42:28,306 --> 00:42:30,617 , a few of the things needed to be trigger warnings. 847 00:42:30,617 --> 00:42:34,125 But if you pick up the book and you've read anything else by 848 00:42:34,166 --> 00:42:37,121 the author and you look at the back, you're going to be able to 849 00:42:37,121 --> 00:42:41,440 pretty much guess that these are going to be some of the 850 00:42:41,501 --> 00:42:46,820 themes of the book and I don't know, just in trigger warnings 851 00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:49,605 at the beginning of podcasts when they're not. 852 00:42:49,605 --> 00:42:56,842 Okay, bad things happen in life but you can't not discuss them 853 00:42:56,902 --> 00:42:58,804 because of something. 854 00:42:59,186 --> 00:43:05,027 So I I don't know it's yeah the trigger warning I, I don't know 855 00:43:05,047 --> 00:43:06,831 I, I appreciate a trigger warning. 856 00:43:06,871 --> 00:43:08,456 Speaker 3: I think they're pretty harmless, like throw them 857 00:43:08,456 --> 00:43:08,898 out there. 858 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:14,293 I will say I watched, I watched I don't know why I've been very 859 00:43:14,353 --> 00:43:19,442 curious about again this is like an adhd fixation, so but I like 860 00:43:19,442 --> 00:43:19,742 wanted. 861 00:43:19,922 --> 00:43:22,688 I just fell down a rabbit hole of Hurricane Katrina. 862 00:43:22,688 --> 00:43:26,760 Okay, I don't know, but I saw, I watched this documentary on 863 00:43:26,820 --> 00:43:31,442 Max, called when the Levees Broke, and I could have used a 864 00:43:31,461 --> 00:43:35,740 trigger when, at the very last three minutes of the first 865 00:43:35,820 --> 00:43:38,567 episode, they're literally just, they're just showing dead 866 00:43:38,586 --> 00:43:42,038 bodies, like closeups of dead bodies, dead bodies that have 867 00:43:42,057 --> 00:43:46,076 been out in the water for days, and at first, like it's very 868 00:43:46,135 --> 00:43:49,023 funny because I think there's a bit of us that's desensitized to 869 00:43:49,023 --> 00:43:51,521 that kind of stuff when you watch shit on TV and you're like 870 00:43:51,521 --> 00:43:59,875 , oh, the special effects are amazing, and then it takes it 871 00:43:59,894 --> 00:44:01,380 took me a good like couple seconds to to process like, oh, 872 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,706 this isn't special effects, these are real dead bodies. 873 00:44:02,706 --> 00:44:04,753 And so I was like I would have let, I would have liked a 874 00:44:04,793 --> 00:44:08,922 trigger warning, because I saw things that I was not prepared 875 00:44:08,963 --> 00:44:14,137 to see yeah, yeah but at the same time, yeah, I don't know 876 00:44:14,358 --> 00:44:14,980 yeah like. 877 00:44:15,059 --> 00:44:17,905 So I, I, you know just a heads up of what I'm about to see, 878 00:44:17,945 --> 00:44:21,536 because that's been in my brain for a couple days and I got to 879 00:44:21,998 --> 00:44:22,117 now. 880 00:44:22,117 --> 00:44:22,940 I got to go watch. 881 00:44:22,940 --> 00:44:25,847 I got to watch Gilmore Girls from beginning to end, to clean 882 00:44:25,867 --> 00:44:26,387 my palate. 883 00:44:27,554 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 2: Nothing's going to trigger you out of that. 884 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:35,925 Yeah Well, speaking of triggers , right before we started 885 00:44:36,144 --> 00:44:39,713 recording tonight, my wife and I watched the series finale of 886 00:44:39,773 --> 00:44:43,599 handmaid's tale and it's a pretty good story. 887 00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:48,349 Elizabeth moss is probably the worst actress I've ever had to 888 00:44:48,409 --> 00:44:49,398 deal with in my life. 889 00:44:49,398 --> 00:44:53,393 And it's not just this, it's everything she does, they and 890 00:44:53,413 --> 00:44:55,338 she's the director, producer, all that of it. 891 00:44:55,338 --> 00:44:58,704 She could stay behind the, but she likes to focus in, like 892 00:44:58,844 --> 00:45:02,016 super big, on her own face and she's doing all these, just 893 00:45:02,036 --> 00:45:07,559 these god-awful facial contortions and it just makes me 894 00:45:07,559 --> 00:45:10,798 want to throw something at the TV and if I was like Elvis, I 895 00:45:10,820 --> 00:45:14,043 would have shot my TV because I just I'm glad. 896 00:45:14,456 --> 00:45:17,398 Okay, the story, the series finale if you haven't seen it, 897 00:45:17,498 --> 00:45:20,297 sorry spoiler, it sucks the way they ended. 898 00:45:20,297 --> 00:45:23,760 It was just so stupid on top of it, but I'm just glad to be rid 899 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:23,920 of it. 900 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,960 I'm never going to watch anything with Elizabeth Moss 901 00:45:27,001 --> 00:45:30,728 again because she's just that god-awful of an actress. 902 00:45:30,728 --> 00:45:34,643 And there's two other shows my wife and I or one was a movie 903 00:45:34,663 --> 00:45:36,628 and another show and she does the same thing. 904 00:45:36,628 --> 00:45:41,260 She just contorts her face, trying to be dramatic or 905 00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:41,643 whatever. 906 00:45:41,643 --> 00:45:45,878 It's not like a Jim Carrey facial contortion and she 907 00:45:45,938 --> 00:45:50,344 doesn't do it well and she has to get like super zoomed in. 908 00:45:50,344 --> 00:45:53,603 It just kills me and I'm glad that show's over, it's done. 909 00:45:53,603 --> 00:45:57,177 But that triggered me every single time because as they 910 00:45:57,197 --> 00:45:59,742 start zooming in our face, oh here comes some stupid 911 00:45:59,782 --> 00:46:03,469 contortion or you know whatever. 912 00:46:03,469 --> 00:46:04,840 But anyways I was. 913 00:46:05,175 --> 00:46:06,838 Speaker 3: You need a trigger warning at the beginning, like 914 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,128 warning this episode contains Elizabeth Moss's face. 915 00:46:12,835 --> 00:46:13,739 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I will. 916 00:46:13,739 --> 00:46:15,003 There's a couple of actors. 917 00:46:15,063 --> 00:46:15,885 Speaker 3: I've never noticed that no-transcript. 918 00:46:15,885 --> 00:46:17,561 Now I'm only going to see it. 919 00:46:18,436 --> 00:46:22,722 Speaker 2: Watch Handmaid's Tale , and no other show zooms in 920 00:46:22,762 --> 00:46:26,780 that closely on anybody's face, and this show zooms in on other 921 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:27,563 characters' faces. 922 00:46:27,563 --> 00:46:30,262 They don't do the same stupid shit she does. 923 00:46:30,262 --> 00:46:33,199 See, I don't know, she's trying to overact with facial 924 00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,996 expressions, I guess, but anyways, yeah, we just finished 925 00:46:37,016 --> 00:46:37,135 that. 926 00:46:37,135 --> 00:46:40,518 Now we're going to be looking for something new to binge watch 927 00:46:40,518 --> 00:46:42,639 and we've got a couple of ideas on there. 928 00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:50,125 But before we wrap this up, I went on all the podcast apps 929 00:46:50,445 --> 00:46:54,108 recently and was looking to see if we had any reviews. 930 00:46:54,108 --> 00:46:55,849 I could find that I hadn't mentioned. 931 00:46:55,849 --> 00:46:56,610 We don't. 932 00:46:56,610 --> 00:46:58,871 So please give us some reviews, people, especially on Apple. 933 00:46:59,271 --> 00:46:59,851 Speaker 3: Give us reviews. 934 00:46:59,851 --> 00:47:01,193 Well, read your reviews. 935 00:47:02,474 --> 00:47:05,681 Speaker 2: Now, I don't use Spotify, I use Pocket Casts and 936 00:47:05,722 --> 00:47:11,382 you can just like it and give it a star if you like it, and we 937 00:47:11,422 --> 00:47:13,206 have a couple of people done it on Pocket Casts. 938 00:47:13,206 --> 00:47:15,782 But you can't put a verbal rating and I don't know how 939 00:47:15,822 --> 00:47:17,588 Spotify works as I don't use that. 940 00:47:17,588 --> 00:47:23,282 But Spotify we've got like a four and a half star out of 23 941 00:47:23,362 --> 00:47:24,123 reviews out there. 942 00:47:24,123 --> 00:47:26,996 So thank you all of y'all that help us out on Spotify. 943 00:47:26,996 --> 00:47:30,003 So just give it a quick click, give us a couple stars. 944 00:47:30,003 --> 00:47:33,797 But as I'm going down the list, I get to good pods and I 945 00:47:33,838 --> 00:47:38,786 haven't been on good pods in years and I don't know where to 946 00:47:38,827 --> 00:47:41,621 come up with their stats, but I'm definitely not going to 947 00:47:41,661 --> 00:47:42,724 question their validity. 948 00:47:42,724 --> 00:47:50,420 Good Pods ranks Jaded HR the number one in the top 100 949 00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:55,030 independent human resources all-time podcasts oh. 950 00:47:55,856 --> 00:48:01,146 And we're number eight of all the human resource podcasts all 951 00:48:01,186 --> 00:48:03,996 time, and I looked at the list that you know. 952 00:48:03,996 --> 00:48:06,643 They don't have some shows out there. 953 00:48:06,643 --> 00:48:09,237 I think their ratings and their reviews and their listenerships 954 00:48:09,237 --> 00:48:12,123 are much higher than ours, but they don't and some of the ones 955 00:48:12,164 --> 00:48:15,278 are above us in those top hundred I've never even heard of 956 00:48:15,278 --> 00:48:15,278 . 957 00:48:15,278 --> 00:48:19,907 But, thank you, I know we have because I can see on our host, 958 00:48:19,967 --> 00:48:21,369 buzzsprout how many people listen. 959 00:48:21,369 --> 00:48:25,445 We've got a few dozen people listen to every episode on Good 960 00:48:25,505 --> 00:48:25,905 Pods. 961 00:48:25,905 --> 00:48:27,820 So thank you. 962 00:48:27,820 --> 00:48:31,666 Whatever you're doing to boost us with that, I appreciate it. 963 00:48:31,666 --> 00:48:35,300 So, yay, if that's really cool, I'm going to post this on our 964 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,777 Instagram page, probably tomorrow night. 965 00:48:37,777 --> 00:48:40,666 I'm editing this episode, so yeah. 966 00:48:40,666 --> 00:48:43,501 So thank you. 967 00:48:43,501 --> 00:48:47,521 And you know, please, please, get out there, leave us reviews, 968 00:48:47,521 --> 00:48:49,025 tell your friends, spread the word. 969 00:48:49,025 --> 00:48:50,168 You can support us. 970 00:48:50,168 --> 00:48:52,161 You can support us on Patreon. 971 00:48:52,161 --> 00:48:55,137 You can buy us a beer All sorts of ways you can support us. 972 00:48:55,217 --> 00:48:59,103 All the links are in the show notes, as well as links directly 973 00:48:59,103 --> 00:49:02,510 to Cece's Instagram of BoozyHR. 974 00:49:02,510 --> 00:49:07,182 You can check her out there, but that's all I have today. 975 00:49:07,182 --> 00:49:10,681 But you can support us alike Hallie, our original GDHR rock 976 00:49:10,722 --> 00:49:15,355 star, bill and Michael, who support us on Patreon as well. 977 00:49:15,355 --> 00:49:17,684 So thank you very much for your support. 978 00:49:17,684 --> 00:49:20,143 I think those three are getting kind of lonely. 979 00:49:20,143 --> 00:49:22,063 It's been a while since we've had another supporter. 980 00:49:22,063 --> 00:49:26,317 So I think the minimum you can do is $2 a month and I think I 981 00:49:26,356 --> 00:49:27,762 even have a $50 a month level. 982 00:49:27,762 --> 00:49:33,023 If anybody wants it, it's out there, a $50 a month level to 983 00:49:33,043 --> 00:49:33,525 support us. 984 00:49:33,525 --> 00:49:36,304 But anyways, go check us out on Patreon. 985 00:49:36,304 --> 00:49:40,019 So anything else you have for today. 986 00:49:41,782 --> 00:49:43,927 Speaker 3: No, no, I'm good. 987 00:49:44,568 --> 00:49:45,670 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. 988 00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:47,402 Well, that's all I've got too. 989 00:49:47,402 --> 00:49:53,105 So our intro is Andrew Kolpa does the voice and the music is 990 00:49:53,525 --> 00:49:55,769 Devil, with a Double by the Underscore Orchestra. 991 00:49:55,769 --> 00:49:59,097 Can't remember that after saying it for five years and, as 992 00:49:59,097 --> 00:50:00,181 always, I'm Warren. 993 00:50:01,224 --> 00:50:01,865 Speaker 3: I'm Phoebe. 994 00:50:02,614 --> 00:50:04,297 Speaker 2: And we're here helping you survive. 995 00:50:04,297 --> 00:50:05,538 Hr one, what the fuck. 996 00:50:05,538 --> 00:50:06,318 Moment at a time. 997 00:50:06,318 --> 00:50:10,302 Thank you.