WEBVTT 00:00:02.023 --> 00:00:09.814 Had you actually read the email, you would know that the podcast you are about to listen to could contain explicit language and offensive content. 00:00:09.814 --> 00:00:16.480 These HR experts' views are not representative of their past, present or future employers. 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:19.687 If you have ever heard my manager is unfair to me. 00:00:19.687 --> 00:00:26.548 I need you to reset my HR portal password, or Can I write up my employee for crying too much? 00:00:26.548 --> 00:00:28.900 Welcome to our little safe zone. 00:00:28.900 --> 00:00:46.951 Welcome to Jaded HR. 00:00:46.990 --> 00:00:54.295 Welcome to Jaded HR, the podcast by two HR professionals who want to help you get through the workday by saying everything you're thinking, but say it out loud. 00:00:54.295 --> 00:00:55.195 I'm Warren. 00:00:56.095 --> 00:00:56.496 I'm Cece. 00:00:57.656 --> 00:01:00.259 All right, back again, whee. 00:01:00.259 --> 00:01:04.225 So the last few episodes other than well. 00:01:04.225 --> 00:01:13.346 I could hear it in the Office Rewatch podcast episode that your voice wasn't as strong then, but now it's my turn to be sick. 00:01:13.346 --> 00:01:15.487 But I'm actually getting over it. 00:01:15.487 --> 00:01:17.626 But yeah, I counted out. 00:01:17.626 --> 00:01:24.433 This is only the seventh time in my entire career from the 90s and almost 30 years of calling out of work. 00:01:24.433 --> 00:01:32.108 Career from the 90s and almost 30 years of calling out of work and so like, not planned call, not a planned day off or anything like that. 00:01:32.149 --> 00:01:32.549 So my body's weird. 00:01:32.549 --> 00:01:35.578 It tends only to get sick on weekends. 00:01:35.578 --> 00:01:37.265 It's like Wednesday, I feel. 00:01:37.265 --> 00:01:41.778 You know, I feel something strange is coming on by Friday. 00:01:41.778 --> 00:01:47.049 I was like, oh shit, I'm going to be sick on Saturday and Sunday and of course I'll be fine on Monday to get back to work. 00:01:47.049 --> 00:01:51.361 But this time I was not fine and of course I was Tony off air. 00:01:51.361 --> 00:01:58.701 That ruined my wife's mother's day, because the first mother's day where neither of our kids are in the house. 00:01:58.701 --> 00:02:01.447 So that was a traumatic experience by itself. 00:02:01.447 --> 00:02:26.134 But we also invited my in-laws over for brunch for Sunday morning, mother's Day and I was unable to participate in the prep or cook of that said brunch, and so I am in the doghouse now for being sick and I want to be in the doghouse for a little while. 00:02:28.141 --> 00:02:28.945 Oh, what a weekend. 00:02:29.500 --> 00:02:34.850 Yeah, it was, but I did go visit my mother and it wasn't an awful trip. 00:02:34.850 --> 00:02:41.286 I usually do not like going visiting my mother, but I'm a good son, I do my duty. 00:02:41.286 --> 00:02:42.444 It's like I've said before, I'm a needle phobe. 00:02:42.444 --> 00:02:43.268 I go to the doctor, I get my shots, I get. 00:02:43.268 --> 00:02:46.200 I've said before I'm a needle phobe, I go to the doctor, I get my shots, I get. 00:02:46.241 --> 00:02:48.046 You know, I gave blood last week. 00:02:48.046 --> 00:02:52.807 I'm O negative, so everybody wants my blood and I do those things I'm supposed to. 00:02:52.807 --> 00:02:55.743 Oh, giving blood, this is the first time ever. 00:02:55.743 --> 00:02:57.289 Like I said, I'm a needle phobe. 00:02:57.289 --> 00:02:57.760 I don't like it. 00:02:57.760 --> 00:03:08.288 This dude took three times to get the needle in and I was like just an instant away from saying screw this, I'm out, I'm going home. 00:03:08.288 --> 00:03:16.411 I was like you know you didn't want to do my blood pressure at the moments before that third stick. 00:03:16.411 --> 00:03:35.724 You know they take your blood pressure and do all this stuff before you give blood and you did not want to take my blood pressure before that third stick because, yeah, it would have been really not a good thing for that so yeah, yeah, but you had a good mother's day I did, yeah, I. 00:03:36.205 --> 00:03:42.040 The only thing I wanted for mother's day was a day to sleep in, and that's what I got I got. 00:03:42.140 --> 00:03:50.906 I slept in till like 11, which if you have a cusp of a toddler it's difficult, so I slept in. 00:03:50.906 --> 00:03:55.592 My husband, Kevin, got me these breakfast sandwiches that I really like. 00:03:55.592 --> 00:03:58.086 He also got Starbucks delivered to the house. 00:03:58.086 --> 00:03:59.049 It was great. 00:03:59.049 --> 00:04:00.032 It was great. 00:04:00.032 --> 00:04:11.650 And then my parents came over, which was great in and of itself, but it just kind of turned into me and my mom just prepping side dishes Like, granted, okay, they grilled, Fine. 00:04:11.650 --> 00:04:18.612 But then there's like the prepping of this and I think we just need to normalize letting moms go out and golf on Mother's Day. 00:04:18.612 --> 00:04:21.187 Like why are we doing this? 00:04:22.189 --> 00:04:23.394 Yeah, yeah. 00:04:23.394 --> 00:04:30.682 I usually try and do something nice for my wife on Mother's Day, Like last year. 00:04:30.682 --> 00:04:32.149 I remember her favorite. 00:04:32.149 --> 00:04:34.004 She laughs at me. 00:04:34.004 --> 00:04:35.968 I even go to Dunkin' Donuts. 00:04:35.968 --> 00:04:39.908 I'll ask for the Homer Simpson donut, the strawberry glazed with sprinkles. 00:04:39.908 --> 00:04:41.492 The sprinkles, they know what you're talking about. 00:04:41.492 --> 00:04:43.879 You don't have to say strawberries glazed with sprinkles. 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:50.791 I say I want a Homer Simpson Gotcha, you know, and even where I live in the middle of nowhere, we've got a Dunkin' Donuts. 00:04:50.791 --> 00:04:52.735 It's in a gas station but it's a Dunkin' Donuts. 00:04:52.735 --> 00:05:00.230 Hey, it still counts. 00:05:00.230 --> 00:05:05.502 And came back and had it ready for her Breakfast in bed. 00:05:05.523 --> 00:05:06.285 A donut, donut in bed. 00:05:06.285 --> 00:05:10.033 That's all I wanted and that's exactly what I got. 00:05:10.033 --> 00:05:14.302 I got to sit in bed and doom scroll. 00:05:14.302 --> 00:05:35.709 So here's the sucky part, though this weekend being the baby, she just had horrible teething I think the molars are coming in and she was inconsolable for I don't know like two days just nonstop screaming and crying, which was very out of the norm for her. 00:05:35.709 --> 00:05:38.235 But I did feel bad just leaving Kevin to just a screaming child. 00:05:38.536 --> 00:05:41.682 So you know, I had a nice blissful morning. 00:05:41.682 --> 00:05:45.428 You didn't feel that bad. 00:05:46.129 --> 00:05:46.610 I did not. 00:05:46.610 --> 00:05:47.572 No, I'm lying. 00:05:47.572 --> 00:05:49.355 I did not feel bad, it was fine. 00:05:50.901 --> 00:05:52.387 You got over it very, very quick. 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:54.305 Yeah, I got over it. 00:05:54.305 --> 00:05:59.083 The baby she's fine, she's happy now Look, everyone's fine. 00:06:01.550 --> 00:06:02.940 Yeah, so Well. 00:06:02.940 --> 00:06:04.788 Glad you had a good Mother's Day. 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:09.062 So yay, oh, I forgot to tell you the best news. 00:06:09.062 --> 00:06:14.052 Like we got a kitten oh, I saw we got a kitten. 00:06:14.533 --> 00:06:17.100 so I don't I don't know if I shared on the podcast. 00:06:17.100 --> 00:06:18.562 Actually it was very traumatic. 00:06:18.562 --> 00:06:21.468 We had the love of our lives, this cat. 00:06:21.468 --> 00:06:25.387 His name was munson and he was just a soulmate cat. 00:06:25.387 --> 00:06:27.884 Like you know, when you have one of those pets in your life, that's just. 00:06:27.884 --> 00:06:30.031 You'll never forget that pet. 00:06:30.031 --> 00:06:34.247 So he was that for us and he he sadly passed away. 00:06:34.247 --> 00:06:35.711 He had feline diabetes. 00:06:35.711 --> 00:06:36.151 He had. 00:06:36.151 --> 00:06:37.360 We had to put him down. 00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:47.555 It was traumatic in the sense that, of course, this happened when Kevin was traveling for work and he is primary human, so it was just me alone at the vet's office making this decision. 00:06:47.555 --> 00:06:48.136 It was insane. 00:06:48.136 --> 00:06:53.067 So anyway, that happened a few weeks ago, I would say like a couple months ago, maybe. 00:06:53.067 --> 00:06:59.730 Yeah, in any case, we decided to get a new baby, so he is a Maine Coon. 00:06:59.730 --> 00:07:02.028 He is going to be big. 00:07:02.028 --> 00:07:09.084 He's already like super large for being five months old and his paws are huge Does he have six toes. 00:07:10.228 --> 00:07:10.689 He does not. 00:07:10.689 --> 00:07:11.904 No he does not. 00:07:11.904 --> 00:07:16.406 He's not a six-toed cat, but he just has huge paws, like he's going to be a little lion. 00:07:16.406 --> 00:07:18.807 So I love him so much. 00:07:18.807 --> 00:07:19.870 He's so sweet. 00:07:19.870 --> 00:07:22.689 He slept next to me all day today in the office. 00:07:22.689 --> 00:07:24.346 He's just a little lovey. 00:07:26.860 --> 00:07:28.781 He's going to me all day today in the office. 00:07:28.781 --> 00:07:29.382 He's just a little lovey. 00:07:29.382 --> 00:07:30.524 He's going to turn into a big lovey. 00:07:30.524 --> 00:07:31.745 I saw you've got a Maine Coon. 00:07:31.745 --> 00:07:35.709 My paternal grandparents and they both passed away. 00:07:35.709 --> 00:07:40.153 They ended up a Maine Coon cat adopted them. 00:07:40.153 --> 00:07:52.702 Like this cat would come into their garage and my grandmother or grandfather would go out and broom and swish it out and yell at it and, you know, kick it out and then it just kept coming back and coming back and coming back. 00:07:52.702 --> 00:08:00.190 Next you know they're leaving some food on the back patio for it and next thing you know it's in the house and it's theirs and they named him mr kitty. 00:08:02.322 --> 00:08:04.567 He was a giant maine coon cat and he had the six. 00:08:04.567 --> 00:08:08.553 He was a giant Maine Coon cat and he was a Maine Coon with six toes, on the front paws only. 00:08:08.553 --> 00:08:15.165 He had six toes and he was just a giant cat and he owned the house. 00:08:15.165 --> 00:08:17.041 He owned the neighborhood, but no matter. 00:08:17.041 --> 00:08:21.612 I mean I actually watched my grandmother go after him with a broom one time. 00:08:21.612 --> 00:08:24.562 I'm like there's no way this cat will ever come back. 00:08:24.562 --> 00:08:26.362 And yet there he was. 00:08:26.362 --> 00:08:32.807 He was like I'm determined this is going to be my house and like they put flyers up, found cat. 00:08:32.807 --> 00:08:42.576 Like nobody wanted to claim him, it wanted their house, it was going to be theirs and it ended up being their house, their cat, for many, many years. 00:08:42.576 --> 00:08:44.596 He lived an awful long time. 00:08:48.340 --> 00:08:50.344 The cat distribution system. 00:08:50.364 --> 00:08:50.946 It worked just as planned. 00:08:50.946 --> 00:08:54.533 Yeah, that brought back memories when I saw the baby Maine Coon cat. 00:08:54.533 --> 00:08:56.701 Love them. 00:08:56.701 --> 00:09:02.370 So I've got two HR stories and something else. 00:09:02.370 --> 00:09:04.033 I'll probably save that for the end. 00:09:04.033 --> 00:09:15.046 Something else at the end, but why don't we start off with this dress code violation? 00:09:15.066 --> 00:09:15.730 So this comes off LinkedIn. 00:09:15.730 --> 00:09:18.780 I don't know the date, as it says published 10 minutes ago when I copied and pasted, but obviously it wasn't. 00:09:18.780 --> 00:09:20.303 It's from Karen Michael. 00:09:20.303 --> 00:09:26.735 Follow her on LinkedIn, follow her on her website and she has a blog, a podcast as well. 00:09:26.735 --> 00:09:27.861 So follow her. 00:09:27.861 --> 00:09:29.485 Very funny. 00:09:29.485 --> 00:09:30.827 I hope to have her as a guest. 00:09:30.827 --> 00:09:38.211 I've talked to her and we'll see what we can do, but I'm just gonna read this it's it's not that long or read it for word for word. 00:09:38.211 --> 00:09:47.962 I wish this was a video podcast that we could show the pictures, because it really does make it, you know, make it stand out. 00:09:47.962 --> 00:09:51.375 But you can go on Karen Michael on LinkedIn and see the story. 00:09:51.375 --> 00:09:52.921 I'll read a word for it. 00:09:52.921 --> 00:09:56.495 This could be a total fake, by the way, but let's play along for a minute. 00:09:56.797 --> 00:10:00.648 A woman claims she was fired on her first day on the job for wearing this. 00:10:00.648 --> 00:10:01.570 See pictures below. 00:10:01.570 --> 00:10:10.812 She said her video that she subscribes to the look good, feel good, and she wanted to feel pretty so she could be confident and give a good first impression. 00:10:10.812 --> 00:10:12.683 But clearly that backfired. 00:10:12.683 --> 00:10:17.102 Her new boss called her over and she thought her boss was going to compliment her on her outfit. 00:10:17.102 --> 00:10:24.405 But the boss started berating her and told her how inappropriate her outfit was for the work and she needed to change. 00:10:24.405 --> 00:10:29.134 The employee claims to have been insulted and stood up for herself in a respectful manner. 00:10:29.134 --> 00:10:39.232 She told the manager that she was used to envious females and she used to is used to females being super jealous of her, and that she could sense the manager's insecurity. 00:10:39.232 --> 00:10:43.091 The manager told her to go home and not come back allegedly. 00:10:43.821 --> 00:10:46.750 Whether this is attention-seeking, fake or not. 00:10:46.750 --> 00:10:56.049 After 32 years of being in workplaces, I've concluded the workplace, today more than ever, lacks accountability, self-awareness, boundaries, respect for professionalism. 00:10:56.049 --> 00:10:59.647 If this woman is really telling the truth, then she needs to learn a lesson. 00:10:59.647 --> 00:11:00.990 And this isn't about you. 00:11:00.990 --> 00:11:05.530 And now I officially rescind my bring your authentic self to work comments. 00:11:05.530 --> 00:11:09.850 Just come to work and assimilate to culture and bring your best ideas, skills and knowledge. 00:11:09.850 --> 00:11:18.379 Agree, disagree, and I will try and describe this young ladies. 00:11:18.379 --> 00:11:22.030 My wife hates it when I call this people little girl. 00:11:22.030 --> 00:11:23.104 It doesn't say what her? 00:11:23.104 --> 00:11:24.187 Oh, I don't know. 00:11:24.187 --> 00:11:25.404 It doesn't tell her age. 00:11:26.220 --> 00:11:27.043 This individual. 00:11:27.465 --> 00:11:33.546 This individual, so let's call this a super mini skirt, it's. 00:11:33.546 --> 00:11:38.067 She's going to have a hard time sitting down in this mini skirt. 00:11:39.047 --> 00:11:43.083 I would have gotten sent home from high school if my skirt was this short. 00:11:43.325 --> 00:11:44.160 Because it doesn't reach your. 00:11:44.160 --> 00:11:44.789 It's shorter than your finger. 00:11:44.789 --> 00:11:45.480 It's shorter than your fingertips. 00:11:46.441 --> 00:11:47.966 It's shorter than fingertip length. 00:11:47.966 --> 00:11:48.969 You're going home. 00:11:49.620 --> 00:12:13.947 And she's wearing some boots to her knees in this zip-up sweater vest that's zipped halfway down, showing ample amount of cleavage, and her bare midriff as well bear midriff as well and I'm like, really you thought that that would be a good outfit to wear to work. 00:12:13.967 --> 00:12:16.652 So I hope I will say this is, this is a tick, so okay. 00:12:16.652 --> 00:12:25.833 So I do know I've done a lot of research on this, and by research I mean drinking wine on my couch and going down TikTok rabbit hole. 00:12:25.833 --> 00:12:29.240 This is fake, but it's not so. 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:34.673 The creator that we're looking at is a content creator, but she spoofs things. 00:12:34.673 --> 00:12:50.008 So she was making fun of something that was really happening and she says, in there point of view, you dress like an office siren at your corporate job and you got fired and oh my gosh, this was fantastic. 00:12:50.048 --> 00:12:51.217 This was a few weeks ago. 00:12:51.217 --> 00:13:13.080 It's the office siren trend that was going on in offices as people were returning to work, and it was really going on with new to career individuals who, like, let's just say, are mostly Gen Z and they were getting a lot of ill advice from TikTok. 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:34.490 And there was this trend called the office siren trend and literally it was mainly young women and they were wearing very provocative clothes that, in their terms, romanticizes the workplace, that reminds them of early 2000s sitcoms. 00:13:34.490 --> 00:13:41.788 So, for those of you who are listening, if you can remember the movie, the Devil Wears Prada basically what's her name? 00:13:41.788 --> 00:13:43.110 She's all bunch in this character. 00:13:43.110 --> 00:13:53.082 She has like the sexy librarian glasses and her hair's up in a tousled bun and she's dressed, like you know, very fashion forward. 00:13:53.082 --> 00:14:08.003 And so a lot, of, a lot of women in the workplace who are again career, a lot of which have never worked in an office before, and I think we have to remember now that I'm talking out loud a lot of these people have never worked in an office, they've only seen it on TV. 00:14:08.003 --> 00:14:36.070 So now that they're returning to the office or they're working more in the office, they're taking ill advice, or ill advice from these influencers, and these are like literally a lot of midriffs, a lot of low-cut, low, low, low, low cut blouses, a lot of short, short skirts and knee-high boots, like just things that would make you go like huh if they walked in as an hr person or, you know, as a co-worker in general. 00:14:43.379 --> 00:14:45.691 But but yeah, so anyway, there was this lore of the Internet where apparently this person had an internship. 00:14:45.691 --> 00:14:49.927 Now apparently they said again, I did a lot of research, I was it was yeah, this is here. 00:14:49.927 --> 00:15:07.905 But apparently the lore was that this individual had a internship that had a guaranteed position after like two years, and after two years the internship would turn into a full-time role and would be at 100K, which, for a college intern, like score right. 00:15:07.905 --> 00:15:33.062 And the individual came to work dressed just like you could imagine this picture that you and I are looking at right here and the HR person called them in the office and basically told her that she was in violation of dress code and she was terminated and go home and she, like lost out on the internship, she lost out on the 100k, whatever. 00:15:33.644 --> 00:15:40.414 All this to say like one like I think there's two ways you can look at this. 00:15:40.414 --> 00:15:56.192 One if I was like the HR business partner or the HR person and this person walked in my office, clearly not knowing the lay of the land, clearly you can see that this is probably the first time that they're in an office would that be a final out? 00:15:56.192 --> 00:15:56.676 They're in an office? 00:15:56.676 --> 00:15:58.602 Would that be a final out for you? 00:15:58.602 --> 00:16:02.972 And I think yeah, like would that be a final or would you have coached the situation? 00:16:04.059 --> 00:16:22.149 Oh man, I think you can watch all the you know 90s, early 2000s rom-com office set things and see people dressed somewhat similar to this. 00:16:25.024 --> 00:16:26.469 Very Rachel Green from Friends. 00:16:27.263 --> 00:16:32.370 Yeah, yeah, but you, there has to be some common sense in there too. 00:16:32.370 --> 00:16:35.966 Do I think it should be instantly termable? 00:16:35.966 --> 00:17:00.263 Probably not, but it's going to really set a bad tone for their first day in their first week If they think that their career of management depending on who's upset about it in upper management it might be it might as well fire them, because they may not ever be able to recover from this. 00:17:00.263 --> 00:17:03.813 So I'm really, I'm really torn on this. 00:17:03.813 --> 00:17:12.271 Do they think they're able to come to where I I hope somebody doesn't think that that's acceptable to go to work like? 00:17:12.492 --> 00:17:13.114 I really hope not. 00:17:14.382 --> 00:17:17.008 I would, but I've told the story before. 00:17:17.008 --> 00:17:19.232 I was brand new at a. 00:17:19.232 --> 00:17:29.130 I was working at a CPA firm and it was, if it wasn't my first week, it was my second week, and the rest of the HR team was away on something they pre-planned. 00:17:29.130 --> 00:17:47.875 They were going to go out and I just happened to start, so I was the only HR person in the building when a partner calls and he doesn't know who I am and his directions to me were get your ass over here and tell Britney Spears that this is not a nightclub and she needs to put some clothes on. 00:17:47.875 --> 00:18:00.987 And I'm like I'm a recruiter, I'm not, I don't do these things, but you have a senior partner yelling at you to do this and I was like, oh gosh. 00:18:01.240 --> 00:18:04.568 So now did she look like this? 00:18:04.568 --> 00:18:05.991 No, is she. 00:18:05.991 --> 00:18:09.205 It was borderline professional. 00:18:09.205 --> 00:18:10.590 What she wore, I wouldn't. 00:18:10.590 --> 00:18:13.067 I can't even describe. 00:18:13.067 --> 00:18:13.388 I can't. 00:18:13.388 --> 00:18:13.641 You know. 00:18:13.641 --> 00:18:14.928 It was probably 2003 when this happened. 00:18:14.928 --> 00:18:15.371 I can't even describe. 00:18:15.371 --> 00:18:15.531 I can't. 00:18:15.531 --> 00:18:15.712 You know. 00:18:15.712 --> 00:18:16.960 It was probably 2003 when this happened. 00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:20.646 I can borderline, I don't think. 00:18:20.646 --> 00:18:33.755 I think it was a blouse that was open, too deep, and I think it was capri type pantsuit that was maybe a little more form fitting than most of the other people were wearing it. 00:18:33.755 --> 00:18:41.851 Most of the other people were wearing it and you know, I I did talk to her and I said, look you, you know I hadn't. 00:18:41.851 --> 00:18:42.413 I wasn't even one recruiter. 00:18:42.413 --> 00:18:43.880 Like I said, I only started two weeks before. 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:54.031 So I was like, yeah, you know, I just want to let you know that there are some people here that aren't appreciating the way you're dressed today I said, if you could I I had to think this. 00:18:54.353 --> 00:18:55.704 I'm thinking this all through my mind. 00:18:55.704 --> 00:18:56.567 How do I say this? 00:18:56.567 --> 00:19:09.556 Because first, a guy say being a dude in HR, this is like one of those worst case scenario situations where you have to talk about attire with a woman and things like that. 00:19:09.556 --> 00:19:15.313 And it was like, yeah, there's some people here who don't appreciate the way you're dressed today. 00:19:15.313 --> 00:19:19.644 People here who don't appreciate the way you're dressed today. 00:19:19.644 --> 00:19:25.521 They said you know, just, you know why don't you just stay in your cube for today and be sure to be a little more conservatively dressed tomorrow? 00:19:26.383 --> 00:19:32.950 and her company policy yeah, but there was nothing in that violated a dress code. 00:19:32.950 --> 00:19:34.671 Honestly, there, it wasn't. 00:19:34.671 --> 00:19:49.048 It was just she did the outfit up a little bit more yeah better than you know other people yeah she wasn't as traditional so yeah, so that was like. 00:19:49.930 --> 00:19:54.440 That's the one end of it, is like, as hr, how would you handle a situation? 00:19:54.440 --> 00:20:02.673 Because I feel like if we were to follow more it's a coachable situation it wouldn't have been an immediate, termable offense. 00:20:02.673 --> 00:20:06.747 On the other side, it's kind of you alluded to it before. 00:20:06.747 --> 00:20:34.063 I'm thinking like, at the end of the day, you're going to be remembered as the person who dressed like that, like that's who you're going to be remembered by and if you're cool with that, okay, but just understand that, yes, if, if we're going by the story of like look good, feel good, live, laugh, love, there's like, yeah, you're free to do what you want, but at the same time, it's not free of consequences. 00:20:34.063 --> 00:20:37.311 So, exactly, and I did, I'm going to be honest with you. 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:43.385 I had a couple like in my 20s, like early in my career. 00:20:43.385 --> 00:21:01.576 I had a couple or one particular person pull me aside and give me feedback on me showing too much of my cleavage at work and I was incensed because I was like in my 20s and I'm like who does she think she is telling me she wears lower cut like shirts than I do? 00:21:01.576 --> 00:21:07.332 She just happens to be flat chested but at the same time, I think the advice she gave me was kind of the best advice. 00:21:07.332 --> 00:21:18.359 Hey, listen, like you have a lot of, you're a very smart person, you have a lot of really great ideas and you're such a value to this company. 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:19.300 Like, I'm afraid. 00:21:19.300 --> 00:21:30.236 I think she said I'm afraid that your messaging will get lost because people will be distracted by, like, how you're dressed. 00:21:30.236 --> 00:21:33.727 And I was like, hmm, I fucking hate that. 00:21:33.727 --> 00:21:34.769 She's kind of right. 00:21:36.532 --> 00:21:36.933 It's true. 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:39.104 And I'd hate to say it. 00:21:39.183 --> 00:21:41.832 It's probably more so for women than it is for men. 00:21:42.662 --> 00:21:43.585 It is, it is. 00:21:43.585 --> 00:22:02.096 It is Because I will say I don't think in all of my I don't think in all of my career I have ever heard of a man being pulled to do an office and being told that the way he is dressed can be a negative reflection of his professionalism. 00:22:02.096 --> 00:22:05.102 What do you guys have? 00:22:05.102 --> 00:22:06.005 Polos? 00:22:06.005 --> 00:22:07.848 You got vests. 00:22:07.848 --> 00:22:09.772 If you're in finance, like, what do you got? 00:22:10.621 --> 00:22:15.752 Well, I will say I wanted, I'm not going to. 00:22:15.752 --> 00:22:17.145 I'm not the dress code police. 00:22:17.145 --> 00:22:18.021 Hr should not. 00:22:18.021 --> 00:22:24.787 If the manager and the team have a problem with it, they can bring it to me and I'm actually going to probably push it back. 00:22:24.787 --> 00:22:28.631 Okay, here's what you need to, how you need to address it with your employee. 00:22:28.631 --> 00:22:31.400 It's not my employee, it's your employee. 00:22:31.400 --> 00:22:42.913 But there was this one guy I worked with, a very nice guy, but he always looked like he just came out from a refrigerator box on the side of the road. 00:22:43.114 --> 00:22:44.796 He looked like a bag of shit he did. 00:22:46.039 --> 00:22:53.815 I mean, first, the dress code policy did say no torn jeans, no torn pants, anything, nothing torn. 00:22:53.815 --> 00:23:04.662 His favorite pair of pants were these like shredded pants that had, like I don't know, only 40% of the material left in them and he wore those all the time. 00:23:04.662 --> 00:23:07.567 And he wore graphic tees all the time. 00:23:07.567 --> 00:23:14.611 And if we didn't have a policy, graphic tees weren't against our policy, but it wasn't our culture either. 00:23:14.611 --> 00:23:21.849 There's nobody who wore graphic tees and our dress code is so bad I'll go ahead and say it. 00:23:22.490 --> 00:23:30.903 I mentioned before a couple of my co-workers listened to this, so they know who I'm talking about but our president violates the dress code, if you take it verbatim. 00:23:30.903 --> 00:23:38.515 And it's always been on my to-do list that I want to redo the dress code and make it more modern. 00:23:38.515 --> 00:23:44.452 But in our company, dress code's not an issue. 00:23:44.452 --> 00:23:47.329 That's the only person I can think of that I can think of. 00:23:47.329 --> 00:23:49.288 Yeah, you didn't. 00:23:49.288 --> 00:23:51.847 He's no longer with us, but you didn't. 00:23:51.847 --> 00:23:55.063 I'm not going to be the dress code police. 00:23:55.063 --> 00:24:03.826 But as long as their manager wasn't saying anything to me, I was like, ok, it's, it's your, it's your thing, but it's dress code. 00:24:05.541 --> 00:24:05.983 Or forcing them. 00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:09.470 They're important, but they, they suck just the same. 00:24:09.779 --> 00:24:22.769 They are, and especially if you work in an environment that has, you know, health and safety things like, oh, closed-toed shoes and, like you know, whatever, like that kind of stuff, it's super important, super important for dress code. 00:24:22.769 --> 00:24:25.669 Yeah, I don't, I don't know. 00:24:25.669 --> 00:24:27.805 Just, you know what? 00:24:27.805 --> 00:24:32.692 Just don't, just wear clothes and do your job. 00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:34.842 Wear correct clothes and do your job. 00:24:34.842 --> 00:24:36.307 Buddy, yeah, wear correct clothes and do your job. 00:24:36.307 --> 00:24:39.497 Wear, wear correct clothes and do your job buddy, yeah, and do your job. 00:24:40.358 --> 00:24:49.323 I will say we were going through that awkward phase of going from business casual attire to wearing jeans to work. 00:24:49.323 --> 00:24:54.541 I will say I'm a jeans person through and through, especially in an office environment. 00:24:54.541 --> 00:25:07.520 If it's a culture that is like finance or something like that, where you're dressed in a suit every day, do not don't even reach out for me, like don't even reach out to me for an open position, like I don't know. 00:25:07.520 --> 00:25:15.874 But there's, like this one of the one of the I think it was the COO, the, yeah, coo. 00:25:15.874 --> 00:25:29.323 He was hissed that we were put bringing jeans into the dress code because he was very old school and he just believed that the work environment is to be you have to dress professionally. 00:25:29.804 --> 00:25:44.669 And he came in one day to kind of protest the gene implementation and he came in these raggedy jeans that were torn and just looked like crap and he was like, yeah, like this is what it's going to look like every day. 00:25:44.669 --> 00:25:45.672 I hope you like it. 00:25:45.672 --> 00:25:49.086 Like this is what people are going to come to work at, just being a dick about it. 00:25:49.086 --> 00:26:04.683 And then, of course, the dress code passed and everyone was thrilled and people for the most part are I're not like they're gonna use common sense for the most part and he went out and again, this is someone like why would you do this? 00:26:04.683 --> 00:26:15.422 He then went out and really leaned into it and he bought a pair of like 180 jeans and like a couple like really expensive jeans just for work, because those are his work jeans. 00:26:16.064 --> 00:26:19.365 And then he like started talking about how much money he spent on it. 00:26:19.365 --> 00:26:28.593 And I'm like dude, you just stop, just stop, just stop bragging about the money you spent on your jeans. 00:26:29.415 --> 00:26:37.874 Like just go back to your office so I have one more dress code story before I go to switch topics. 00:26:37.874 --> 00:26:40.866 It's from my wonderful brother. 00:26:40.866 --> 00:26:44.430 He is the perpetrator in this story. 00:26:44.430 --> 00:26:51.925 He spent the first I don't know how many years of his career he was when he was a captain in the army. 00:26:51.925 --> 00:26:55.953 He'd spent more time deployed than the other captain in the whole US Army. 00:26:55.953 --> 00:27:01.359 So you get little stripes on your dress uniform for every six months deployed. 00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:20.872 And then he got promoted to major and he graduated from Virginia Military Institute and he saw a job opening for military science instructor at VMI and applied for it instructor at VMI and applied for it While he was in I don't know if it was Iraq or Afghanistan, I don't remember exactly where. 00:27:21.271 --> 00:27:31.541 They flew him out of theater, as they say, all the way to Baltimore, maryland, to interview him. 00:27:31.541 --> 00:27:39.835 And he's going along his whole life thinking he's interviewing for this military science professor at VMI and they flew him back to wherever he was coming from and things like that. 00:27:39.835 --> 00:28:03.852 He's there for a few more months and they said okay, we're hiring you, you're going to West Point, he's going to be a military science professor at West Point, the United States Military Academy, and he didn't really want that, but it made him non-deployable for so many years and he was sort of looking forward to that not being deployable and things like that. 00:28:03.852 --> 00:28:17.500 So anyways, he goes and he's doing a great job and everybody loves him and all that other fun stuff is a higher up. 00:28:17.500 --> 00:28:18.162 Now, at this point he's a major. 00:28:18.162 --> 00:28:22.153 And at some point somebody pulls him aside and says, okay, you know, one of the reasons you were hired is because you're so highly decorated. 00:28:22.153 --> 00:28:27.692 And you know he only wore like five ribbons on his service, ribbons on his uniform. 00:28:27.692 --> 00:28:29.759 And you know we want you to. 00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:33.162 You know, we think the students will be impressed by your ribbons, your credentials, et cetera. 00:28:33.162 --> 00:28:36.144 And he says they're going to be impressed with your ribbons, your credentials, etc. 00:28:36.144 --> 00:28:42.847 And he says they're going to be impressed with me because I'm their professor not because I am there, because I have all these ribbons. 00:28:42.847 --> 00:28:48.131 And they just told him oh, we'd like you to wear more ribbons than what you do. 00:28:48.131 --> 00:28:52.192 He said, well, these five or six are ones that actually mean something to me, so I'll just stick with that. 00:28:52.192 --> 00:28:57.375 And he said, no, you are going to wear your more ribbons. 00:28:57.375 --> 00:29:04.181 And he said, well, the military dress code doesn't say I have to and you are wearing it. 00:29:04.201 --> 00:29:15.195 So my brother, in his full you know being a complete a-hole that he can be for like two weeks in a row came in to work at West Point wearing his dress tuxedo. 00:29:15.195 --> 00:29:25.365 In to work at West Point wearing his dress, tuxedo and with the full ribbon and metal, not just the ribbon on his chest but the ribbon and the metal and all the accoutrement he could manage. 00:29:25.365 --> 00:29:29.510 He said he looked like a South American dictator walking down the halls there. 00:29:29.510 --> 00:29:38.307 And he did that for two weeks and then he went back to wearing what he was going to do and nobody said a peep to him ever again about wearing his, his stuff. 00:29:38.307 --> 00:29:46.109 He said I put every metal, every little accoutrement, every little whatever you know, participation award ribbon they, they give you. 00:29:46.109 --> 00:29:50.688 He said I put them all on and but he did not last very long at west point. 00:29:50.688 --> 00:29:56.385 He, that was his least favorite deployment in 24 years in in the army. 00:29:56.385 --> 00:30:00.834 So that, yeah, he, he re-upped once there and then he said nope, I'm not. 00:30:02.904 --> 00:30:03.749 I can't do it anymore. 00:30:03.749 --> 00:30:08.625 I love a story that involves malicious compliance. 00:30:08.625 --> 00:30:10.588 So you want me to wear a ribbon, I'll wear all my ribbons. 00:30:10.588 --> 00:30:15.759 Oh, if ribbons like down in the street, oh, or ribbons from Michael's, I don't care. 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:18.144 Yeah, yeah, you want ribbons? 00:30:18.144 --> 00:30:18.925 I'll give you ribbon. 00:30:20.249 --> 00:30:27.709 Oh, so the other story I had is you know, we're just past May the 4th. 00:30:27.709 --> 00:30:28.356 We're what? 00:30:28.356 --> 00:30:30.243 Nine days past May the 4th. 00:30:30.894 --> 00:30:32.622 It's the holiest holiday of the year. 00:30:33.296 --> 00:30:35.363 The holiest holiday of the year. 00:30:35.383 --> 00:30:35.884 It's for me. 00:30:38.117 --> 00:30:40.546 Did you sit there and have yourself a Star Wars marathon? 00:30:42.196 --> 00:30:43.300 I did not this year. 00:30:44.234 --> 00:30:48.174 And do you skip episode two, the Jar Jar Binks? 00:30:48.174 --> 00:30:48.556 Yeah. 00:30:49.420 --> 00:30:49.741 I do. 00:30:49.741 --> 00:30:51.840 Oh my God, I've never done it. 00:30:51.840 --> 00:30:53.982 We're going to go on a Star Wars tangent really quick. 00:30:53.982 --> 00:30:57.558 I forget what it's called, Okay, so I don't know if you? 00:30:57.558 --> 00:31:05.547 For those of you who are not Star Wars fans, please forgive me for the next minute, but it is called Machete Style. 00:31:06.067 --> 00:31:06.308 Yes. 00:31:07.096 --> 00:31:28.931 Yes, so it's episode four, five, then you skip to two and three, so it's almost like a flashback situation, and then you go back to episode six and then you can do like the last trilogy, but completely omit episode one. 00:31:28.931 --> 00:31:31.442 That's what we omit, because episode one is garbage. 00:31:32.837 --> 00:31:33.821 Is that the Jar Jar Binks? 00:31:34.001 --> 00:31:34.942 one, that's the Jar Jar one. 00:31:34.942 --> 00:31:35.163 Yeah. 00:31:35.263 --> 00:31:36.905 Oh, okay, I thought it was two off the top of my cheek. 00:31:36.905 --> 00:31:41.723 Yeah, I've watched it so many different ways. 00:31:41.723 --> 00:31:51.944 It's crazy, but I think our fans like Star Wars because one of our all-time favorites when we had Dolores the Empire's Evil. 00:31:52.265 --> 00:31:55.088 Hr person that was one of our high time. 00:31:55.088 --> 00:31:56.691 Dolores. 00:31:56.770 --> 00:31:57.030 Listen. 00:31:57.275 --> 00:32:00.640 She's doing the work, she's doing the work, she's doing the work. 00:32:01.275 --> 00:32:05.627 I would love to go to one of the Comic-Con type things and meet her in person. 00:32:05.627 --> 00:32:06.210 How? 00:32:06.230 --> 00:32:06.549 funny. 00:32:06.951 --> 00:32:12.367 Yeah, so yeah, I've watched the machete style before as well, so yeah. 00:32:12.367 --> 00:32:27.221 But I will have to say Rogue One is one of my favorite Star wars movies and I I would agree it was, it was so different for the franchise in a positive way. 00:32:27.221 --> 00:32:34.540 And yeah, yeah, so it's rogue one is is still my, my favorite and I'm looking forward to. 00:32:34.540 --> 00:32:42.146 You know people are hating so much on all the new star wars stuff I could not get through the Young Rebels, was that what it was called? 00:32:42.166 --> 00:32:44.441 Yeah, I didn't watch that one. 00:32:45.035 --> 00:32:46.099 Yeah, I couldn't get through it. 00:32:46.099 --> 00:32:49.144 I'm trying to finish Andor right now. 00:32:49.144 --> 00:32:53.846 I was trying to watch it while sick, on Saturday or on Monday, while I was home from work. 00:32:53.846 --> 00:32:59.015 I tried watching it, but I wasn't paying enough attention work. 00:32:59.015 --> 00:33:03.505 I tried watching it, but I wasn't paying enough attention and or is a a show, you have to pay attention, almost intense attention, to the whole thing. 00:33:03.545 --> 00:33:07.723 You can't look at your phone for five seconds, because you will, you will get there. 00:33:07.723 --> 00:33:09.329 But I've watched all the. 00:33:09.329 --> 00:33:12.777 I love the cartoons clone wars and rebels, I'm all about those. 00:33:12.777 --> 00:33:22.088 Those are actually damn good things, but anyways, yeah, so, anyways, going on to star wars here. 00:33:22.088 --> 00:33:27.203 So this person her name is lorna rook, she's in the uk somewhere. 00:33:27.203 --> 00:33:44.230 She's a blood donation supervisor and apparently sometime in her absence, her team filled out a star wars-themed Meyer-Briggs test for her and she came out to be Darth Vader. 00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:48.941 Which? 00:33:48.941 --> 00:33:49.101 Listen. 00:33:49.101 --> 00:33:53.128 He's a flawed person, but he has his strengths. 00:33:54.397 --> 00:33:55.342 He's a great leader. 00:33:56.315 --> 00:33:56.957 You know what he's a leader. 00:33:56.957 --> 00:33:57.378 He's a great leader. 00:33:57.378 --> 00:33:58.903 You know what he's a leader. 00:34:00.249 --> 00:34:01.011 He's a leader. 00:34:01.011 --> 00:34:07.719 I like when he's like force choking this dude, and he says he's such a great leader, he lifts up those around him. 00:34:08.862 --> 00:34:12.039 You know what the mark of a great leader is? 00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:17.086 Those who can lift their team, lift those around them. 00:34:17.106 --> 00:34:20.617 Okay, my first. 00:34:20.617 --> 00:34:25.768 If I were to get some sort of superhuman power, my first would be the Thanos snap. 00:34:25.768 --> 00:34:29.525 I would be snapping like a freaking jet West Side. 00:34:29.525 --> 00:34:33.666 Story I'd be snapping and like stupid people. 00:34:33.666 --> 00:34:36.864 I'd be just snap, snap, snap, snap everywhere. 00:34:36.864 --> 00:34:38.501 It wouldn't be just a random 50%. 00:34:38.501 --> 00:34:39.335 And the second thing I'd want I'd be just nap, snap, snap, snap everywhere. 00:34:39.335 --> 00:34:39.619 It wouldn't be just a random 50%. 00:34:39.619 --> 00:34:42.338 And the second thing I'd want I'd want the force choke. 00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:49.021 I would want to be able to choke someone from across the room without even getting the, maybe even on a Zoom call. 00:34:49.021 --> 00:34:59.025 You're across the country on a Zoom call with me and you're ticking me off and I can just choke you out from 3,000 miles away, more than Obi-Wan's mind control. 00:34:59.916 --> 00:35:01.681 These are not the droids you're looking for. 00:35:01.681 --> 00:35:02.605 That's what I want. 00:35:02.605 --> 00:35:04.643