1 00:00:50,616 --> 00:00:51,576 Speaker 1: Thank you. 2 00:00:51,576 --> 00:00:55,378 Oh, waiting for cloud to start recording. 3 00:00:55,378 --> 00:01:00,240 Interesting, are we recording? 4 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:00,740 It didn't go so far. 5 00:01:00,740 --> 00:01:05,691 Five, four, three, two, two one it says it's recording okay, 6 00:01:05,771 --> 00:01:07,620 yeah, all righty. 7 00:01:07,861 --> 00:01:11,510 Welcome to Jaded HR to podcast by two HR professionals who want 8 00:01:11,510 --> 00:01:13,983 to help you get through work day by saying everything you're 9 00:01:14,022 --> 00:01:15,284 thinking, but say it out loud. 10 00:01:15,284 --> 00:01:20,661 I'm Warren, I'm Cece, so we didn't have an episode. 11 00:01:20,661 --> 00:01:24,912 Two weeks ago somebody decided that they needed to spend five 12 00:01:24,951 --> 00:01:29,668 days in the hospital and that somebody was me, so we did not 13 00:01:29,727 --> 00:01:33,923 get the opportunity to record, but I have some really fun 14 00:01:34,504 --> 00:01:37,433 hospital stories I want to share before we get into the meat and 15 00:01:37,433 --> 00:01:40,322 potatoes of our HR podcast. 16 00:01:40,322 --> 00:01:42,587 I mentioned in the last episode . 17 00:01:42,587 --> 00:01:46,194 We did that I ruined my wife's Mother's Day by being sick. 18 00:01:46,194 --> 00:01:48,007 Well, we got to the root cause of it. 19 00:01:48,007 --> 00:01:49,245 I had gallstones. 20 00:01:49,245 --> 00:01:51,825 And not only did I have gallstones, I had one that 21 00:01:51,864 --> 00:01:55,933 slipped out of the gallbladder and was blocking a duct in my 22 00:01:55,992 --> 00:01:56,233 liver. 23 00:01:56,233 --> 00:02:00,509 So I've been feeling like crap all day the Thursday before 24 00:02:01,109 --> 00:02:05,347 Memorial Day weekend, and by four or five o'clock in the 25 00:02:05,388 --> 00:02:07,382 afternoon, as I'm getting ready to leave for work, I'm feeling 26 00:02:07,441 --> 00:02:08,746 just shit warmed over. 27 00:02:09,247 --> 00:02:10,188 Speaker 2: My stomach was hurting. 28 00:02:10,229 --> 00:02:13,245 Speaker 1: My back was hurting, I was just, I was a wreck. 29 00:02:13,245 --> 00:02:16,252 I texted my primary care doctor and I said hey, you know, we've 30 00:02:16,252 --> 00:02:16,820 been talking. 31 00:02:16,820 --> 00:02:20,385 I've been going to her for a couple of weeks and she was 32 00:02:20,445 --> 00:02:23,070 diagnosing me with GERD but wanted to do a CT scan, which I 33 00:02:23,230 --> 00:02:24,453 couldn't get until May 30th. 34 00:02:24,453 --> 00:02:27,737 But this I don't know what the date was of, the Thursday before 35 00:02:27,737 --> 00:02:30,443 Memorial Day, but it was before the 30th, and I was like I just 36 00:02:30,443 --> 00:02:32,449 texted her, I'm going to the hospital. 37 00:02:32,449 --> 00:02:35,222 I said I can't do this anymore and anyway. 38 00:02:35,222 --> 00:02:40,326 So I go to the hospital and the first person sees me, the PA. 39 00:02:40,326 --> 00:02:41,709 You know she's doing the test. 40 00:02:41,709 --> 00:02:42,830 She's thinking GERD too. 41 00:02:42,830 --> 00:02:44,270 So press down on your stump. 42 00:02:44,270 --> 00:02:46,873 Because she said, I have the symptoms of a gallbladder, but 43 00:02:47,354 --> 00:02:50,923 when you press down on the liver it's supposed to hurt, and I 44 00:02:50,943 --> 00:02:52,445 had no additional pain, nothing. 45 00:02:52,445 --> 00:02:55,800 So she's like I don't know and she goes this doesn't seem like 46 00:02:55,820 --> 00:02:57,207 GERD, but it's probably the closest thing. 47 00:02:57,650 --> 00:03:00,100 Anyways, I got my CT scan there in the hospital and there it was 48 00:03:00,100 --> 00:03:00,100 . 49 00:03:00,100 --> 00:03:02,567 I had an angry gallbladder and one of the stones was out, and 50 00:03:03,147 --> 00:03:04,611 so they admitted me. 51 00:03:04,611 --> 00:03:08,354 I got my gallbladder removed on the Friday, the next day, 52 00:03:08,414 --> 00:03:11,137 Friday late afternoon, as I had to squeeze me in. 53 00:03:11,137 --> 00:03:15,371 And then, but that stone that was blocking the bile duct. 54 00:03:15,371 --> 00:03:20,262 Oh, my liver is a wonderful thing type thing that doesn't 55 00:03:20,323 --> 00:03:21,747 have anything to do with my drinking. 56 00:03:21,747 --> 00:03:24,735 I asked multiple times and it's not. 57 00:03:24,735 --> 00:03:26,903 I don't have cirrhosis of the liver or anything, but it was. 58 00:03:26,903 --> 00:03:31,498 The stone ended up fully blocking this duct, and so I 59 00:03:31,519 --> 00:03:35,592 started getting very jaundiced and my wife was calling me Homer 60 00:03:35,592 --> 00:03:36,014 Simpson. 61 00:03:36,054 --> 00:03:39,242 She said you're looking orange like Homer Simpson and things 62 00:03:39,263 --> 00:03:39,443 like that. 63 00:03:39,443 --> 00:03:40,325 So well, the suck ass thing about all this. 64 00:03:40,325 --> 00:03:41,207 I needed the gallbladder came out. 65 00:03:41,207 --> 00:03:41,889 You know, quick and dirty. 66 00:03:41,889 --> 00:03:43,432 But the general surgeon so well , the suck ass thing about all 67 00:03:43,453 --> 00:03:43,592 this. 68 00:03:43,592 --> 00:03:47,002 I needed the gallbladder came out, you know quick and dirty. 69 00:03:47,544 --> 00:03:50,811 But the general surgeon says okay, you have the stone, it's 70 00:03:50,871 --> 00:03:51,111 here. 71 00:03:51,111 --> 00:03:54,366 He goes I've done the surgery before, I'll do it. 72 00:03:54,366 --> 00:03:56,070 He's a general surgeon at the hospital. 73 00:03:56,070 --> 00:03:57,501 He says I'll do it again. 74 00:03:57,501 --> 00:04:01,667 And he says, however, if it was me, I would want the GI doctor 75 00:04:01,706 --> 00:04:03,449 doing it and not a general surgeon. 76 00:04:03,449 --> 00:04:07,514 He says but I'm here all weekend and we're going to 77 00:04:07,555 --> 00:04:10,889 monitor your blood work and if your liver enzymes get too high, 78 00:04:10,889 --> 00:04:14,421 I'll go in and get it done, because we couldn't get a GI 79 00:04:14,461 --> 00:04:17,591 doctor until after the holiday weekend, so until Tuesday. 80 00:04:17,591 --> 00:04:19,447 So they're monitoring my liver. 81 00:04:19,447 --> 00:04:22,540 Apparently, the gallstone can shift it, which it did, and I 82 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,269 got my enzymes back and I turned back to a human being color 83 00:04:26,310 --> 00:04:29,625 versus a Simpson color, and things started getting better 84 00:04:29,685 --> 00:04:31,690 for me once it shifted again. 85 00:04:31,690 --> 00:04:36,949 But anyways, I had to spend five days, six nights, in the 86 00:04:36,988 --> 00:04:40,654 hospital, or six days, five nights in the hospital, I should 87 00:04:40,654 --> 00:04:45,785 say, and having absolutely nothing to do, and the TV didn't 88 00:04:45,785 --> 00:04:46,822 work in the room I was in. 89 00:04:47,663 --> 00:04:48,144 Speaker 2: Even better. 90 00:04:48,285 --> 00:04:53,398 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just God awful in so many ways, but I 91 00:04:53,437 --> 00:04:55,362 got, like I said, got some fun, interesting stories. 92 00:04:55,362 --> 00:04:56,867 So I was telling you all fair. 93 00:04:56,867 --> 00:05:01,927 My first surgery on that Friday was scheduled for like 3.30 and 94 00:05:01,927 --> 00:05:05,579 the doctor and all his assistant come in and they're 95 00:05:05,598 --> 00:05:07,887 talking okay, you're scheduled for 3.30. 96 00:05:07,887 --> 00:05:11,172 We're going to come, you're going to be taken down to the 97 00:05:11,512 --> 00:05:14,783 operating room staging gangway area, whatever they call it, an 98 00:05:14,884 --> 00:05:17,891 hour beforehand and all this I'm like, okay, fine, All's good. 99 00:05:17,891 --> 00:05:22,319 Well, at 12.30, I'm taking classes online. 100 00:05:22,319 --> 00:05:30,420 At 12.30, I started a timed online quiz and it's I've only 101 00:05:30,519 --> 00:05:31,884 had half hour to do the quiz. 102 00:05:31,884 --> 00:05:33,788 Now, normally it only take 15, 20 minutes. 103 00:05:33,788 --> 00:05:38,567 It's not a big deal or anything , and but literally within 104 00:05:38,687 --> 00:05:42,721 seconds of me hitting start on the quiz, here comes everybody 105 00:05:42,742 --> 00:05:45,490 and their mother to okay, we're getting ready to take you down 106 00:05:45,550 --> 00:05:49,146 to pre op and I'm like whoa, I'm at 3.30. 107 00:05:49,146 --> 00:05:50,490 Give me 20 minutes. 108 00:05:50,490 --> 00:05:51,211 I just started quiz. 109 00:05:51,211 --> 00:05:54,269 She said, no, we're not giving you 20 minutes or anything like 110 00:05:54,329 --> 00:05:54,531 that. 111 00:05:55,194 --> 00:05:57,201 And so, oh, here's the first funny thing that happened. 112 00:05:57,201 --> 00:06:03,067 So there's all sorts of medical professionals in there and a 113 00:06:03,127 --> 00:06:05,471 medical transport person, the person who's responsible for 114 00:06:05,531 --> 00:06:08,113 wheeling you from your cart from place to place. 115 00:06:08,113 --> 00:06:11,124 So I'm in there and they say well, she goes, can you get up 116 00:06:11,144 --> 00:06:12,127 and use the restroom? 117 00:06:12,127 --> 00:06:13,230 And I said, yeah, I can do that . 118 00:06:13,230 --> 00:06:15,706 She goes okay, empty your bladder and all that. 119 00:06:15,706 --> 00:06:18,781 So I go use the restroom, I sit back down and she goes okay, 120 00:06:18,822 --> 00:06:21,406 now we need to do a scan of your bladder and make sure it's 121 00:06:21,526 --> 00:06:23,831 empty so we still don't have to give you a catheter. 122 00:06:24,932 --> 00:06:27,776 Okay, I signed the consent form allowing students to be in there 123 00:06:27,776 --> 00:06:31,848 and this one student and she was she was very sweet, very 124 00:06:31,928 --> 00:06:32,209 funny. 125 00:06:32,209 --> 00:06:35,261 She goes Ooh, she's like horse shack from welcome back. 126 00:06:35,261 --> 00:06:36,423 Ooh, I want to do the bladder scan. 127 00:06:36,423 --> 00:06:37,386 I want to do the bladder scan. 128 00:06:37,386 --> 00:06:48,600 And the head nurse goes okay, okay, here it is. 129 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:49,764 Bam, the sheets come off my bed , bam, my, my gown is up to my 130 00:06:49,783 --> 00:06:51,807 neck and there I am, like with air, like I've I'd never, in the 131 00:06:51,807 --> 00:06:55,343 entire time I was there, I had that many people in my room in 132 00:06:55,423 --> 00:06:58,711 all my, all my glory, and she's scanning my bladder and she's 133 00:06:58,730 --> 00:06:59,572 having a good old time. 134 00:06:59,572 --> 00:07:00,622 And she goes I got it. 135 00:07:00,622 --> 00:07:05,158 I got it and I was okay, just didn't have any care for my 136 00:07:05,197 --> 00:07:06,865 modesty or anything like that. 137 00:07:07,065 --> 00:07:07,187 Speaker 2: No. 138 00:07:07,821 --> 00:07:11,586 Speaker 1: So I mean, it was just whip down the bed sheet and 139 00:07:11,586 --> 00:07:15,329 whip up my gown and I'm like, okay, whatever. 140 00:07:15,329 --> 00:07:19,507 It was funny in hindsight, but I was a little irritated at the 141 00:07:19,548 --> 00:07:21,105 time and things like that. 142 00:07:21,105 --> 00:07:23,447 So anyways, like I said, I'd started the exam. 143 00:07:23,447 --> 00:07:30,762 I didn't have luckily I didn't have to get a catheter. 144 00:07:30,762 --> 00:07:31,966 So I told them I'm sitting there as they're wheeling me 145 00:07:32,026 --> 00:07:32,728 down from my room to the pre-op area. 146 00:07:32,728 --> 00:07:34,853 I'm sitting there taking a quiz as they're wheeling me around. 147 00:07:34,853 --> 00:07:38,901 I'm using my phone as a mobile hotspot and I got it done. 148 00:07:38,901 --> 00:07:42,504 I got an 80, the lowest grade I've received all you know grad 149 00:07:42,524 --> 00:07:43,004 school time. 150 00:07:43,004 --> 00:07:44,165 But I'm like I'll take it. 151 00:07:44,165 --> 00:07:45,086 I'll take the 80. 152 00:07:45,086 --> 00:07:48,728 I was under much duress at that point. 153 00:07:48,728 --> 00:07:50,769 So that was the day. 154 00:07:51,310 --> 00:07:52,130 Speaker 2: So dedicated. 155 00:07:52,471 --> 00:07:52,990 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. 156 00:07:52,990 --> 00:07:56,173 And then I got out of surgery by the time I came to and got 157 00:07:56,694 --> 00:07:59,754 less, I think, because after surgery they were keeping me on 158 00:07:59,795 --> 00:08:02,297 morphine like every three hours. 159 00:08:02,317 --> 00:08:03,658 Speaker 2: They're like oh, you need more morphine. 160 00:08:04,459 --> 00:08:05,684 Speaker 1: I wasn't asking they're, they're just giving 161 00:08:05,925 --> 00:08:09,517 you're like oh sure I had another assignment due that was 162 00:08:09,557 --> 00:08:12,464 due before midnight and I got that done, got an okay grade on 163 00:08:12,485 --> 00:08:13,086 that as well. 164 00:08:13,086 --> 00:08:17,661 I submitted it like 11 55 pm, so did all that. 165 00:08:17,661 --> 00:08:23,271 But the next that was friday, saturday in the hospital nothing 166 00:08:23,271 --> 00:08:24,713 , nothing to do, I waiting. 167 00:08:24,713 --> 00:08:25,735 You know my? 168 00:08:25,735 --> 00:08:28,860 They're taking my blood twice a day and they're coming in every 169 00:08:28,860 --> 00:08:30,505 two hours to get all my vitals. 170 00:08:30,505 --> 00:08:31,428 I'm like you know what? 171 00:08:31,428 --> 00:08:33,546 I've got this wonderful little smartwatch. 172 00:08:33,546 --> 00:08:36,361 It takes my blood pressure, it takes my heart rate, it takes my 173 00:08:36,361 --> 00:08:37,827 temperature, all the things you're getting. 174 00:08:37,827 --> 00:08:40,567 Why don't you just connect to my watch for me and don't have 175 00:08:40,587 --> 00:08:41,811 to come and bother me? 176 00:08:41,811 --> 00:08:46,260 But I was checking. 177 00:08:46,260 --> 00:08:48,066 My watch was pretty damn close to the results they were getting 178 00:08:48,066 --> 00:08:49,470 with their equipment. 179 00:08:49,470 --> 00:08:51,865 It wasn't perfect, but it was probably close enough for 180 00:08:52,386 --> 00:08:52,948 anything else. 181 00:08:52,948 --> 00:08:54,908 But yeah, they did that. 182 00:08:54,908 --> 00:08:58,770 So Saturday, sunday, monday, in the hospital. 183 00:08:58,841 --> 00:09:03,860 Oh, while I was in the hospital I was on a clear liquid diet, so 184 00:09:03,860 --> 00:09:05,349 let me back up. 185 00:09:05,349 --> 00:09:08,062 Thursday morning I ate my normal breakfast, everything's 186 00:09:08,163 --> 00:09:08,724 hunky-dory. 187 00:09:08,724 --> 00:09:11,171 Midday I wasn't feeling well, so I didn't eat my lunch. 188 00:09:11,171 --> 00:09:12,062 I didn't eat a lunch. 189 00:09:12,062 --> 00:09:16,597 And then, thursday evening, they finally decided they're 190 00:09:16,619 --> 00:09:17,861 going to schedule me for surgery . 191 00:09:17,861 --> 00:09:20,370 They didn't know what time, so I wasn't allowed to eat or drink 192 00:09:20,370 --> 00:09:24,053 anything Thursday night and all day Friday till three o'clock 193 00:09:24,394 --> 00:09:27,784 and I really didn't care because my stomach was not feeling that 194 00:09:27,784 --> 00:09:28,024 well. 195 00:09:28,405 --> 00:09:34,083 But Friday late evening I got my first meal, consisting of 196 00:09:34,524 --> 00:09:39,594 chicken broth and yellow jello, and at the hospital they give 197 00:09:39,614 --> 00:09:43,809 you like a little receipt how many calories your meal is, and 198 00:09:43,830 --> 00:09:46,495 so that meal was like 110 calories. 199 00:09:46,495 --> 00:09:50,186 So since Thursday I've basically consumed 110 calories. 200 00:09:50,186 --> 00:09:54,201 The next three days my breakfast is a breakfast, the 201 00:09:54,241 --> 00:09:58,731 next three days vegetable broth, lunch chicken broth and dinner 202 00:09:58,792 --> 00:10:01,943 beef broth, all with yellow jello, but at dinner I did get 203 00:10:02,104 --> 00:10:02,924 an Italian ice. 204 00:10:02,924 --> 00:10:10,163 So I I was consuming like less than 600 calories a day for 205 00:10:10,202 --> 00:10:14,697 those six days in the hospital and and then, of course, tuesday 206 00:10:14,697 --> 00:10:16,924 for the second surgery, I couldn't eat anything again all 207 00:10:16,965 --> 00:10:17,166 day. 208 00:10:17,166 --> 00:10:20,275 I lost eight pounds in the hospital. 209 00:10:20,275 --> 00:10:23,705 I would not recommend it as a as a weight loss clinic, but I 210 00:10:23,725 --> 00:10:23,904 did. 211 00:10:23,904 --> 00:10:27,513 I have kept it off since then, but I lost eight pounds in the 212 00:10:27,552 --> 00:10:27,913 hospital. 213 00:10:28,299 --> 00:10:31,389 Speaker 2: That's like the Dr Now diet from my 600-pound life. 214 00:10:31,910 --> 00:10:32,030 Speaker 1: Oh. 215 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:34,206 Speaker 2: That is extreme. 216 00:10:34,466 --> 00:10:35,931 Speaker 1: Okay, we're up here. 217 00:10:35,931 --> 00:10:40,749 My wife is obsessed with all those weight loss, those shows. 218 00:10:40,788 --> 00:10:41,791 Speaker 2: It's brain rot. 219 00:10:41,791 --> 00:10:42,793 It's brain rot. 220 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:44,913 Speaker 1: The 600-pound life which I can watch. 221 00:10:44,913 --> 00:10:45,437 I think it's fine. 222 00:10:45,437 --> 00:10:49,888 I love Dr Now the way he says you're lying, you gained 15 223 00:10:49,980 --> 00:10:50,240 pounds. 224 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:51,365 You weren't following my diet. 225 00:10:51,365 --> 00:10:51,847 Yes, I am. 226 00:10:51,847 --> 00:10:52,542 Yes, I am Okay. 227 00:10:52,542 --> 00:10:53,888 I love Dr Now. 228 00:10:53,888 --> 00:10:57,232 He just calls them out Her other favorite show, which she's 229 00:10:57,232 --> 00:10:59,166 actually downstairs watching it right now. 230 00:10:59,166 --> 00:11:03,647 Every Tuesday we record she watches the Thousand Pound 231 00:11:03,667 --> 00:11:04,168 Sisters. 232 00:11:05,208 --> 00:11:07,513 Speaker 2: Okay, I see I haven't watched that. 233 00:11:08,134 --> 00:11:14,346 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, it is human trash on parade to the extreme. 234 00:11:14,346 --> 00:11:16,171 Yeah, I can't stand that show. 235 00:11:16,171 --> 00:11:20,195 And when she's watching it and I'm in the room, she calls me a 236 00:11:20,235 --> 00:11:20,936 TV talker. 237 00:11:20,936 --> 00:11:22,537 I'm just like what the fuck? 238 00:11:22,537 --> 00:11:27,601 These people cannot literally be that stupid and yet they 239 00:11:27,682 --> 00:11:29,446 prove me wrong week in, week out . 240 00:11:29,446 --> 00:11:31,028 It's like how stupid can we be? 241 00:11:31,028 --> 00:11:33,094 And I don't have these. 242 00:11:33,094 --> 00:11:37,330 It's yeah, it's, it's brain rot and their brains have rotted if 243 00:11:37,330 --> 00:11:38,491 they had one to begin with. 244 00:11:38,491 --> 00:11:38,832 It is. 245 00:11:38,832 --> 00:11:43,168 And she watches all the all the weight loss shows or or 246 00:11:43,248 --> 00:11:44,791 whatever you want to call them. 247 00:11:44,791 --> 00:11:47,884 She's watching them all and the thousand pound roomies she just 248 00:11:47,884 --> 00:11:48,706 started watching. 249 00:11:48,706 --> 00:11:50,751 I'm like, oh my, there's a lot. 250 00:11:50,751 --> 00:11:54,427 There's so many of those things , but anyways, let's see. 251 00:11:54,447 --> 00:11:56,592 So Tuesday I had my second surgery. 252 00:11:56,592 --> 00:11:58,163 That went really well. 253 00:11:58,163 --> 00:11:59,044 It's so funny. 254 00:11:59,044 --> 00:12:03,784 They put me under that Twilight anesthetic and the 255 00:12:04,488 --> 00:12:07,299 anesthesiologist is in there and she's in there. 256 00:12:07,299 --> 00:12:08,605 Okay, we're gonna give you some . 257 00:12:08,605 --> 00:12:10,234 Really, she's, this is what she said. 258 00:12:10,234 --> 00:12:12,623 We're gonna give you some really good shit, man, and 259 00:12:12,643 --> 00:12:14,346 you're gonna have great dreams. 260 00:12:14,407 --> 00:12:15,629 Through this whole process. 261 00:12:15,629 --> 00:12:20,071 You just sit back and enjoy it and relax and enjoy the ride and 262 00:12:20,071 --> 00:12:22,701 I'm like I was like I've been under twilight anesthesia before 263 00:12:22,701 --> 00:12:25,107 , like, and she goes no, this is the good stuff, this is pro 264 00:12:25,128 --> 00:12:26,692 fall, pro fall or whatever. 265 00:12:26,692 --> 00:12:27,863 She goes, this is good. 266 00:12:27,863 --> 00:12:30,662 I'm like, okay, she's like. 267 00:12:30,662 --> 00:12:32,288 It's like she's my drug dealer. 268 00:12:32,288 --> 00:12:35,326 And and then all of a sudden she goes. 269 00:12:35,326 --> 00:12:37,461 I'm going to start in three, two, one, and then all of a 270 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,884 sudden my arm just started burning, like I said, wow, this 271 00:12:40,904 --> 00:12:41,145 hurts. 272 00:12:41,145 --> 00:12:42,727 She goes, that's how you know it's good. 273 00:12:42,727 --> 00:12:46,192 And she goes in 30 seconds you're going to be in la-la land 274 00:12:46,192 --> 00:12:47,033 and you won't care. 275 00:12:47,033 --> 00:12:49,255 Nice, it was good. 276 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,729 During the procedure, I had wild dreams. 277 00:12:52,729 --> 00:12:54,562 I was okay. 278 00:12:54,562 --> 00:12:58,711 My wife, you know the anesthesiologist came up. 279 00:12:58,711 --> 00:12:59,273 How were your dreams? 280 00:12:59,273 --> 00:13:00,924 She's like into this. 281 00:13:00,924 --> 00:13:05,129 I wonder if she put a little LSD or something in my mix there 282 00:13:05,129 --> 00:13:08,426 , because she was into this, very passionate about her work. 283 00:13:08,426 --> 00:13:10,206 How was your and how are your dreams? 284 00:13:10,206 --> 00:13:11,283 I said, yeah, I was. 285 00:13:11,283 --> 00:13:16,044 I was like in a Harry Potter movie and I was riding the 286 00:13:16,566 --> 00:13:17,389 broomstick ramp. 287 00:13:17,389 --> 00:13:19,903 I wasn't playing Quidditch and I was just flying around 288 00:13:19,945 --> 00:13:21,109 Hogwarts on my broom. 289 00:13:21,109 --> 00:13:22,496 And she said that's so cool. 290 00:13:22,496 --> 00:13:23,501 And she goes. 291 00:13:23,501 --> 00:13:27,495 I told you to have good dreams and I'm like, yeah, she was into 292 00:13:27,495 --> 00:13:27,615 it. 293 00:13:27,615 --> 00:13:28,938 And my wife, who hates? 294 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 2: online. 295 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,248 Honestly, you want your anesthesiologist to be into it 296 00:13:32,288 --> 00:13:36,846 because they're basically, they have your life in their hands. 297 00:13:36,846 --> 00:13:38,432 You want them to be real into it. 298 00:13:39,179 --> 00:13:39,581 Speaker 1: She was. 299 00:13:39,581 --> 00:13:40,642 She was hilarious. 300 00:13:40,642 --> 00:13:43,706 But my wife is making fun of me for having a Harry Potter dream 301 00:13:43,706 --> 00:13:43,706 . 302 00:13:43,706 --> 00:13:44,989 I'm like I don't choose what. 303 00:13:44,989 --> 00:13:48,232 I'm dreaming that I'm riding around a broomstick around 304 00:13:48,273 --> 00:13:51,183 Hogwarts and my wife says oh my God, you're such a nerd. 305 00:13:51,183 --> 00:13:54,251 I'm like, yeah, you've known that for 30 some odd years now. 306 00:13:54,251 --> 00:13:57,827 So, anyways, that's my story and that's why we didn't record 307 00:13:58,208 --> 00:13:58,811 two weeks ago. 308 00:13:58,811 --> 00:14:03,027 But hopefully we will be back on schedule and finally have the 309 00:14:03,027 --> 00:14:07,159 benefits episode of the office in a couple of weeks for you 310 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,803 three weeks, yeah yeah, so. 311 00:14:09,546 --> 00:14:12,150 So how was your past month been since? 312 00:14:12,351 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 2: oh my gosh I don't know it's been busy. 313 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:20,808 My mom was radioactive for a while so she had like some 314 00:14:21,470 --> 00:14:25,865 nuclear treatment and then she had to stay downstairs in our 315 00:14:25,927 --> 00:14:28,546 basement we have a nice basement , it's not like she was living 316 00:14:28,566 --> 00:14:29,309 in a basement. 317 00:14:29,330 --> 00:14:30,115 Speaker 1: Lock her in a basement. 318 00:14:32,081 --> 00:14:33,664 Speaker 2: But she was like down there and she lived down there 319 00:14:33,684 --> 00:14:36,630 for a week until she could be amongst other humans. 320 00:14:36,630 --> 00:14:37,874 So there's that. 321 00:14:37,874 --> 00:14:39,605 Other than that, I traveled for work. 322 00:14:39,605 --> 00:14:44,147 So my new company went to California, went there for a 323 00:14:44,187 --> 00:14:50,261 week, met my team in person and it was a fun time. 324 00:14:50,261 --> 00:14:53,246 I really feel good about this team I'm on. 325 00:14:53,246 --> 00:14:54,970 I'm super excited, Cool. 326 00:14:54,970 --> 00:14:57,495 Very warm, very welcoming. 327 00:14:57,495 --> 00:14:58,121 It was great. 328 00:14:58,905 --> 00:14:59,870 Speaker 1: That's half the battle. 329 00:14:59,870 --> 00:15:02,159 When you meet the team and you get involved and you say this is 330 00:15:02,159 --> 00:15:05,186 a cool team, a group, I want to be involved with that. 331 00:15:05,186 --> 00:15:07,750 That's like half the battle right there. 332 00:15:07,750 --> 00:15:08,631 So yeah. 333 00:15:08,631 --> 00:15:09,953 Cool, cool. 334 00:15:09,953 --> 00:15:15,504 So we've done 15 minutes and haven't even discussed the HR, 335 00:15:15,544 --> 00:15:17,408 so let's dive into some HR. 336 00:15:17,408 --> 00:15:19,293 Oh my gosh, so great. 337 00:15:19,293 --> 00:15:23,145 And this comes to us from Jamie , from HR best besties. 338 00:15:23,145 --> 00:15:29,760 She posted this to instagram about the the more drama sherm 339 00:15:29,821 --> 00:15:31,785 is having about their annual conference. 340 00:15:31,846 --> 00:15:38,201 So let's rewind a year ago, to 2024, when jason sudeikis was 341 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:43,206 supposed to be the keynote speaker ah, yes and he backed 342 00:15:43,327 --> 00:15:47,994 out at the 11th hour so he could watch Caitlin Clark play a game 343 00:15:47,994 --> 00:15:50,139 and things like that. 344 00:15:50,139 --> 00:15:55,510 So they got Al Roker to fill in at the last minute, which I 345 00:15:55,551 --> 00:15:59,822 thought was funny, interesting, but they got Al Roker to fill in 346 00:15:59,822 --> 00:16:01,445 and he is a funny person. 347 00:16:01,485 --> 00:16:03,788 Speaker 2: Your future is so bright You're going to need 348 00:16:03,807 --> 00:16:04,369 stage. 349 00:16:05,389 --> 00:16:09,014 Speaker 1: Well, let's now fast forward to 2025. 350 00:16:09,014 --> 00:16:17,985 Back in May, they announced that the keynote speaker was 351 00:16:18,304 --> 00:16:20,450 going to be Bradley Cooper and, yeah, it seems pretty good. 352 00:16:20,450 --> 00:16:22,553 Well, all of a sudden, he had a scheduling conflict. 353 00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:24,964 Speaker 2: Oh man. 354 00:16:25,264 --> 00:16:27,932 Speaker 1: And on top of that, who's replacing him? 355 00:16:27,932 --> 00:16:31,039 Jason Sudeikis is coming back. 356 00:16:31,039 --> 00:16:33,589 Oh, it's full circle, it's full circle. 357 00:16:33,589 --> 00:16:36,730 And then the announcement sure made was yep, we're trying this 358 00:16:36,791 --> 00:16:37,211 again. 359 00:16:37,231 --> 00:16:38,998 Speaker 2: That is too funny. 360 00:16:39,298 --> 00:16:41,869 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, why would you want? 361 00:16:41,869 --> 00:16:47,679 Unless they got like bargain basement pricing for him, why 362 00:16:47,721 --> 00:16:51,690 would you want him back after just oh yeah, yeah, your 363 00:16:51,730 --> 00:16:54,407 conference I committed to I'd rather go see a basketball game 364 00:16:54,879 --> 00:16:56,282 when I'm a multimillionaire. 365 00:16:56,282 --> 00:16:59,447 I can fly to whatever city Caitlin Clark is in at any given 366 00:16:59,447 --> 00:17:02,230 time and watch as many basketball games as I want. 367 00:17:02,471 --> 00:17:07,053 Speaker 2: Well, remember, I had a theory that it was his silent 368 00:17:07,053 --> 00:17:11,826 protest of all the stuff that Sherm was announcing with equity 369 00:17:11,826 --> 00:17:13,050 , diversity and inclusion. 370 00:17:13,050 --> 00:17:18,229 I thought because I need everything to have a plot. 371 00:17:18,229 --> 00:17:22,903 I thought maybe he got a whisper of it and backed out to 372 00:17:22,943 --> 00:17:26,551 go watch Caitlin play a WNBA player. 373 00:17:26,551 --> 00:17:29,501 That's my conspiracy theory. 374 00:17:30,726 --> 00:17:33,714 Speaker 1: And it makes sense because Sherm at that time was 375 00:17:33,755 --> 00:17:36,963 just stepping in it left, right, up and down, supposedly. 376 00:17:36,963 --> 00:17:40,432 Like I said, when I saw JCT speaking at the Virginia Sherm 377 00:17:40,471 --> 00:17:44,053 conference, he was very direct and open and talking about it 378 00:17:44,173 --> 00:17:46,663 and he said my people tell me not to talk about this, but I'm 379 00:17:46,682 --> 00:17:47,727 going to talk about it anyway. 380 00:17:47,727 --> 00:17:51,963 I don't know, but anyways it was the plan. 381 00:17:51,963 --> 00:17:57,311 And removing the equity yeah, the equity. 382 00:17:57,311 --> 00:17:59,715 I can't remember what they removed now. 383 00:17:59,715 --> 00:18:02,203 They removed one of the letters . 384 00:18:02,203 --> 00:18:03,308 Maybe I should have done some more homework. 385 00:18:03,328 --> 00:18:03,971 They removed one of the letters. 386 00:18:03,971 --> 00:18:05,519 Maybe I should have done some more homework, they should. 387 00:18:05,519 --> 00:18:09,171 They removed one of the letters I think it was equity from dei 388 00:18:09,732 --> 00:18:11,980 and therefore caused a shit show . 389 00:18:11,980 --> 00:18:14,946 But jct says they were ahead of the curve and they saw the 390 00:18:14,987 --> 00:18:18,243 writing on the wall, given some court things and stuff like that 391 00:18:18,243 --> 00:18:18,243 . 392 00:18:18,243 --> 00:18:21,151 So if you want to give them a bit of it up, maybe they were 393 00:18:21,191 --> 00:18:23,282 ahead of the curve, maybe they weren't, maybe they were just 394 00:18:23,963 --> 00:18:25,926 shaking things up and things fell in the right places. 395 00:18:25,926 --> 00:18:28,912 I do not know yeah anyways. 396 00:18:29,011 --> 00:18:32,387 Yeah, sherm and if you have, if you aren't already listened to 397 00:18:32,608 --> 00:18:35,119 hr besties is they're going to be covering the sherm trials in 398 00:18:35,161 --> 00:18:35,721 colorado. 399 00:18:35,721 --> 00:18:38,669 All three of them are going to be there and in the courtroom 400 00:18:38,729 --> 00:18:40,441 listening to the the trials. 401 00:18:40,441 --> 00:18:43,387 So that's going to be pretty interesting to follow. 402 00:18:43,387 --> 00:18:46,722 More drama, drama, drama around SHRM. 403 00:18:46,722 --> 00:18:51,771 So, yeah, let's see what's the under over, I wonder, to Vegas. 404 00:18:51,771 --> 00:18:53,480 It's in Vegas again, isn't it? 405 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,788 No it's in Vegas or San Diego, where is it? 406 00:18:58,869 --> 00:18:59,612 Speaker 2: Oh, it's San Diego. 407 00:18:59,612 --> 00:19:01,255 I think it's 50-50. 408 00:19:01,255 --> 00:19:05,748 Everything is either in Vegas or or san diego or new orleans 409 00:19:05,768 --> 00:19:08,260 yeah, so they're gonna be in san diego. 410 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,247 Speaker 1: So what's the, what's the under over for jason 411 00:19:11,287 --> 00:19:12,569 sudeikis showing up is? 412 00:19:12,569 --> 00:19:17,710 He'll show up this time yeah, I , I think you can't not show up 413 00:19:17,809 --> 00:19:21,800 after ditching us the last time it was or ditching, sure, not 414 00:19:21,820 --> 00:19:22,663 that ditching us is. 415 00:19:22,663 --> 00:19:23,285 I'm not going. 416 00:19:23,285 --> 00:19:24,910 I'm going to hit the register now. 417 00:19:24,910 --> 00:19:27,688 How much is this, this shit show, to attend? 418 00:19:27,688 --> 00:19:29,593 Let's see here's why. 419 00:19:29,633 --> 00:19:32,422 Speaker 2: To attend in person oh, showing all these people 420 00:19:32,461 --> 00:19:35,977 with their swag bags you know what I always appreciate about 421 00:19:35,997 --> 00:19:39,588 these conferences that close to the registration page they will 422 00:19:39,628 --> 00:19:43,883 have a basically building a business case for your boss to 423 00:19:43,943 --> 00:19:44,285 let you go. 424 00:19:44,285 --> 00:19:45,671 Yes, I'm actually just clicked on that for your boss to let you 425 00:19:45,671 --> 00:19:45,750 go. 426 00:19:45,770 --> 00:19:46,756 Speaker 1: Yes, I actually just clicked on that. 427 00:19:46,756 --> 00:19:50,551 Convince your boss to make a case for attending SHRM 2025. 428 00:19:50,819 --> 00:19:55,300 Speaker 2: And I got to say honestly no notes Perfect, like 429 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:56,946 that's the barrier that people have. 430 00:19:56,946 --> 00:19:59,910 So help them get over the barrier. 431 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,446 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just so. 432 00:20:02,446 --> 00:20:03,865 Oh, here's the rates page. 433 00:20:11,681 --> 00:20:11,981 Speaker 2: Ooh can I guess? 434 00:20:11,981 --> 00:20:12,765 Okay, member pricing, standard prices. 435 00:20:12,765 --> 00:20:14,049 Okay, I'm gonna guess, I'm gonna guess, I'm gonna guess 436 00:20:14,069 --> 00:20:16,801 standard pricing and I'm gonna guess standard pricing is gonna 437 00:20:16,821 --> 00:20:20,949 be 1300 oh no, you're. 438 00:20:21,068 --> 00:20:23,792 Speaker 1: You're low, higher, higher, higher higher. 439 00:20:24,153 --> 00:20:27,846 Speaker 2: Higher oh my gosh, is it 17? 440 00:20:28,780 --> 00:20:29,726 Speaker 1: Higher, higher higher . 441 00:20:30,500 --> 00:20:34,028 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Is it breaking two? 442 00:20:34,028 --> 00:20:34,971 Is it two grand? 443 00:20:34,971 --> 00:20:36,806 Higher, higher, higher. 444 00:20:36,806 --> 00:20:39,660 Get the fuck out of here For a SHRM conference. 445 00:20:39,660 --> 00:20:41,007 Oh my gosh, 2,500? 446 00:20:41,007 --> 00:20:41,826 Higher, higher, higher. 447 00:20:41,834 --> 00:20:45,499 Speaker 1: No, oh my gosh 2,500? 448 00:20:45,499 --> 00:20:45,499 . 449 00:20:45,499 --> 00:20:46,000 Higher, higher, higher. 450 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:51,751 No 28.45 is the standard price. 451 00:20:51,751 --> 00:20:56,903 Now, the early bird special was 22.95, but they're sold out of 452 00:20:56,923 --> 00:20:57,746 the early bird. 453 00:20:58,007 --> 00:21:00,342 Speaker 2: Okay so, but if you want to turn that's so cost 454 00:21:00,403 --> 00:21:00,923 prohibitive. 455 00:21:00,923 --> 00:21:01,767 That's crazy. 456 00:21:02,339 --> 00:21:03,323 Speaker 1: Well, virtual. 457 00:21:03,323 --> 00:21:06,760 You want to take a shot at how much the standard price of a 458 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,604 virtual is oh, what is it knocking? 459 00:21:08,644 --> 00:21:12,230 Speaker 2: like $200 off of it exactly $200. 460 00:21:12,250 --> 00:21:17,182 Speaker 1: So, okay, you're spinning. 461 00:21:17,182 --> 00:21:19,164 Let's just be real about it. 462 00:21:19,164 --> 00:21:24,171 You're spending $3,000 to attend, probably spending so 463 00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:27,516 bare minimum 500, unless you're in the San Diego area probably 464 00:21:27,615 --> 00:21:34,046 bare minimum 500 for airfare and then hotel for so many nights 465 00:21:34,391 --> 00:21:36,117 that's got to be over a thousand . 466 00:21:36,117 --> 00:21:42,972 So you're you're $4,000 in very quickly and I have a hell of a 467 00:21:43,032 --> 00:21:46,720 lot I would rather do with $4,000 than go to Sherm. 468 00:21:47,260 --> 00:21:48,723 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it's funny. 469 00:21:48,723 --> 00:21:52,700 I was while I was in California and my like the team, we were 470 00:21:52,721 --> 00:21:58,515 like talking, and the one of our team members went to PSYOP, 471 00:21:58,576 --> 00:22:01,162 which is the society for industrial organizational 472 00:22:01,201 --> 00:22:05,940 psychology, and she went to that and that was freaking 473 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,556 beneficial when she came back with a whole bunch of stuff 474 00:22:08,757 --> 00:22:11,013 about what's going on in the industry, stuff like that. 475 00:22:11,013 --> 00:22:13,720 And, yeah, like I would love. 476 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,894 I would love to give psyop a try, because I know like I feel 477 00:22:18,296 --> 00:22:20,661 like sherm is just a. 478 00:22:20,661 --> 00:22:24,730 It's just like we've discussed it before. 479 00:22:24,730 --> 00:22:26,815 We don't need to beat a dead horse about it, but it's just 480 00:22:26,855 --> 00:22:30,405 like they don't provide that much insight for what they offer 481 00:22:30,405 --> 00:22:30,405 . 482 00:22:30,405 --> 00:22:34,454 And then I always feel like I'm being sold at and I think with 483 00:22:34,494 --> 00:22:38,943 psyop it's more like science, it's more scientific and it's 484 00:22:39,023 --> 00:22:41,332 more data driven and stuff like that. 485 00:22:41,332 --> 00:22:47,420 So I think it's going to be less touchy-feely, less fluffy 486 00:22:47,660 --> 00:22:53,353 and more hard-hitting data, hard-hitting science, and I 487 00:22:53,413 --> 00:22:55,500 would love to give PSYOP a try. 488 00:22:57,512 --> 00:22:59,500 Speaker 1: And I forgot I did see this as well. 489 00:22:59,500 --> 00:23:02,356 Other keynote speakers are going to be Jenna Fisher and 490 00:23:02,477 --> 00:23:04,102 Angela Kinsley from the office. 491 00:23:04,509 --> 00:23:06,958 Speaker 2: Oh my God, I would love to go just for that 492 00:23:07,118 --> 00:23:07,519 actually. 493 00:23:19,971 --> 00:23:21,012 Speaker 1: I take everything back. 494 00:23:21,012 --> 00:23:22,954 Sure, I'm going to throw out some free tickets. 495 00:23:22,954 --> 00:23:24,837 I would love to go meet them. 496 00:23:24,837 --> 00:23:26,720 Thank you, you're the best. 497 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,265 You're the best of the day of the seminar, and last year I 498 00:23:30,365 --> 00:23:33,674 started to go down the rabbit hole and try and classify them 499 00:23:33,976 --> 00:23:36,862 as touchy, feely or substantive. 500 00:23:37,182 --> 00:23:38,530 Speaker 2: And I didn't get that far. 501 00:23:39,211 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's just too many to look at them all. 502 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,353 But yeah, I, just this person, owner of this, feels right. 503 00:23:47,353 --> 00:23:50,799 That seems like that could be a sexual harassment case waiting 504 00:23:50,819 --> 00:23:52,564 to happen with it. 505 00:23:52,564 --> 00:23:56,299 Oh, this person, professional speaker at her name, speaks in 506 00:23:56,339 --> 00:23:56,580 there. 507 00:23:56,580 --> 00:24:00,097 I just love some of these people that. 508 00:24:00,097 --> 00:24:03,893 Anyways, it'll be interesting If they put one in my backyard, 509 00:24:03,992 --> 00:24:05,375 even at $3,000,. 510 00:24:05,375 --> 00:24:07,759 I don't think I'd go at $3,000. 511 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:10,204 I, I don't think I may and I don't think I'd go at $3,000, 512 00:24:10,289 --> 00:24:13,336 even if it was in you know my town and I didn't have to 513 00:24:13,377 --> 00:24:15,971 commute or get a hotel or anything like that, I was like, 514 00:24:16,032 --> 00:24:19,449 nah, just don't, you could get like you know what for that much 515 00:24:19,449 --> 00:24:23,862 money you can get like three nights at a really decent resort 516 00:24:23,862 --> 00:24:23,862 . 517 00:24:33,009 --> 00:24:34,232 Oh I, I tell you what my wife and I, next month, are going to. 518 00:24:34,232 --> 00:24:34,834 We're going to Costa Rica. 519 00:24:34,834 --> 00:24:35,375 We're going for eight days. 520 00:24:35,375 --> 00:24:38,461 We're staying in an all-inclusive resort, airfare 521 00:24:39,805 --> 00:24:43,575 hotel and everything, our excursions. 522 00:24:43,575 --> 00:24:49,066 We haven't even hit $5,000 yet and that's two of us going for 523 00:24:49,646 --> 00:24:52,173 eight days out of country and we're doing something we want to 524 00:24:52,173 --> 00:24:52,375 do. 525 00:24:52,375 --> 00:24:54,220 So there you go. 526 00:24:54,220 --> 00:24:56,259 Our budget is not. 527 00:24:56,259 --> 00:24:57,010 Actually. 528 00:24:57,010 --> 00:24:58,878 Our budget was $5,000. 529 00:24:59,731 --> 00:25:02,374 Speaker 2: We're below that, including our excursions and 530 00:25:02,473 --> 00:25:03,017 things like that. 531 00:25:04,513 --> 00:25:07,814 Speaker 1: So new conference idea I'm going to call it free 532 00:25:07,875 --> 00:25:11,714 range conferencing and you get a couple really good audio books 533 00:25:11,816 --> 00:25:15,951 and a couple really good podcasts and you just go to a 534 00:25:15,971 --> 00:25:16,614 resort for a week. 535 00:25:16,614 --> 00:25:16,974 Yes, yes. 536 00:25:16,974 --> 00:25:21,678 I'm not listening to anything in HR. 537 00:25:21,678 --> 00:25:23,634 Welcome to our little sex zone. 538 00:25:24,309 --> 00:25:25,875 Speaker 2: Well, that's the business case to get your 539 00:25:25,894 --> 00:25:27,038 company to pay for it. 540 00:25:27,038 --> 00:25:28,834 So you have to do some work. 541 00:25:29,536 --> 00:25:35,193 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, gosh, rearrange conferencing, that 542 00:25:35,213 --> 00:25:35,836 could catch on. 543 00:25:37,272 --> 00:25:39,258 Speaker 2: I'm going to trademark that one quick, I know 544 00:25:39,258 --> 00:25:39,598 right. 545 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:40,842 Speaker 1: Oh boy. 546 00:25:40,842 --> 00:25:41,771 So anyways, that's. 547 00:25:41,771 --> 00:25:42,413 Yeah, that's. 548 00:25:42,413 --> 00:25:47,782 I do recognize some of the names of presenters here the 549 00:25:47,803 --> 00:25:52,535 Sherm but yeah, I just couldn't do that. 550 00:25:52,535 --> 00:25:56,156 But I bet you, of these 300 sessions that they're having or 551 00:25:56,196 --> 00:25:59,277 whatever I could, probably hopefully I'd be able to fill up 552 00:25:59,277 --> 00:26:02,575 my schedule with just substantive things. 553 00:26:02,575 --> 00:26:04,914 I would hope I would hope so. 554 00:26:04,914 --> 00:26:08,053 Anyways, if you attend, have fun, give us some feedback what 555 00:26:08,073 --> 00:26:09,659 you're doing, when is it? 556 00:26:09,659 --> 00:26:13,335 It's usually like I don't even know. 557 00:26:13,335 --> 00:26:17,318 So you had something to cover before we moved to another. 558 00:26:17,318 --> 00:26:18,321 Yeah, yeah. 559 00:26:20,290 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 2: So there's an article that was released today by work 560 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:29,759 life, which is just an online magazine, because paper 561 00:26:29,799 --> 00:26:31,683 magazines are dead, anyway. 562 00:26:31,683 --> 00:26:35,659 So basically they're talking about Gen Zs and how Gen Z 563 00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:40,070 employees are opting out of those middle management 564 00:26:40,090 --> 00:26:40,612 positions. 565 00:26:40,612 --> 00:26:44,421 So your managers, your senior managers and they're doing it 566 00:26:44,601 --> 00:26:48,861 out of work-life balance but having like a values-driven life 567 00:26:48,861 --> 00:26:48,861 . 568 00:26:48,861 --> 00:26:52,140 So a lot of them are just rejecting those leadership roles 569 00:26:52,140 --> 00:26:52,140 . 570 00:26:52,140 --> 00:26:57,707 So the article then went on to basically talk about how this 571 00:26:57,747 --> 00:26:58,509 comes to fruition. 572 00:26:58,509 --> 00:27:02,803 And you have a lot of people who just want to be in that 573 00:27:02,982 --> 00:27:06,794 specialist zone and just really focus their career on becoming 574 00:27:07,557 --> 00:27:09,281 more of a subject matter expert. 575 00:27:09,281 --> 00:27:15,101 How the organization should basically plan for that to 576 00:27:15,141 --> 00:27:18,195 happen, because you'll have kind of a small, like a subset I 577 00:27:18,236 --> 00:27:20,867 don't want to say small, but you know you have like a subset of 578 00:27:20,907 --> 00:27:24,859 individuals who may not even be interested in leadership roles. 579 00:27:26,525 --> 00:27:27,607 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard that . 580 00:27:27,607 --> 00:27:29,651 I've heard it more about work-life balance and not 581 00:27:29,691 --> 00:27:31,935 wanting responsibilities and things like that. 582 00:27:31,935 --> 00:27:36,653 But I think what's concerning about that is, right now, the 583 00:27:36,692 --> 00:27:39,980 boomers they're almost all retired out of the workplace. 584 00:27:39,980 --> 00:27:45,575 We have a few, but not many, left in our workplace, but 585 00:27:45,595 --> 00:27:49,481 they're retiring and it's good for them. 586 00:27:49,962 --> 00:27:51,852 And then you've got the Xers, the me's, out there. 587 00:27:51,852 --> 00:27:55,681 I'm looking very desperately forward to, and remember, 588 00:27:55,721 --> 00:27:58,513 generation X is the smallest of all these generations, we're 589 00:27:58,614 --> 00:28:00,317 just the smallest. 590 00:28:00,317 --> 00:28:04,032 So there's not many of us, to begin with, that are in those 591 00:28:04,113 --> 00:28:06,160 leadership, to be in those leadership roles. 592 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,070 And I know some people that are Xers that are starting to 593 00:28:10,131 --> 00:28:10,792 retire already. 594 00:28:10,792 --> 00:28:14,301 I'm severely jealous, but they're in that point in their 595 00:28:14,321 --> 00:28:15,151 life where they can do that. 596 00:28:15,151 --> 00:28:18,017 I'll be working until I'm 67 and a half or whatever it is. 597 00:28:18,417 --> 00:28:22,557 But yeah, I think that we need people to be able to step up 598 00:28:22,596 --> 00:28:26,210 because leadership and that's where maybe some leadership 599 00:28:26,570 --> 00:28:30,679 development and training and once again going back to maybe 600 00:28:31,038 --> 00:28:35,055 identifying hypos in your organization Maybe you have what 601 00:28:35,055 --> 00:28:38,036 it takes to be a good leader, you're very well organized, 602 00:28:38,056 --> 00:28:41,209 you're charismatic, you can follow through and things like 603 00:28:41,229 --> 00:28:44,715 that Maybe you could be a leader and start developing that 604 00:28:44,736 --> 00:28:44,957 talent. 605 00:28:44,957 --> 00:28:48,864 Because I've heard those things that, oh, I'd rather not be in 606 00:28:48,910 --> 00:28:51,602 management so I can have my work-life balance. 607 00:28:51,602 --> 00:28:54,551 Or maybe they're like I said, they're looking for values-based 608 00:28:54,551 --> 00:28:56,336 organizations and things like that. 609 00:28:56,336 --> 00:28:59,741 It's just scary. 610 00:28:59,741 --> 00:29:03,015 But I mean, well, everything will over, adapt and overcome. 611 00:29:03,075 --> 00:29:04,498 Speaker 2: But wow yeah. 612 00:29:04,498 --> 00:29:07,873 So here's what they said that here's some considerations and a 613 00:29:07,873 --> 00:29:09,195 couple of them I think are pretty good. 614 00:29:09,195 --> 00:29:12,082 So it basically says to rethink career progression. 615 00:29:12,082 --> 00:29:16,142 So don't force everyone who is a top performer into managing 616 00:29:16,303 --> 00:29:16,683 others. 617 00:29:17,346 --> 00:29:18,852 Speaker 1: Build dual career paths Awesome. 618 00:29:18,852 --> 00:29:20,176 I can't agree with that more. 619 00:29:20,690 --> 00:29:22,977 Speaker 2: A hundred and 27%. 620 00:29:22,977 --> 00:29:26,528 Yeah, so, and that was the one thing that, at a previous 621 00:29:26,709 --> 00:29:28,496 organization, we focused on. 622 00:29:28,496 --> 00:29:32,383 It's okay if you don't want to be a manager, and here's how you 623 00:29:32,383 --> 00:29:36,496 can grow your career, and we called it like the SME path, so 624 00:29:36,516 --> 00:29:38,902 like, if you want to be like a subject matter expert within the 625 00:29:38,902 --> 00:29:43,419 company, then here's ways that you can develop and we encourage 626 00:29:43,419 --> 00:29:46,752 that, because you can't have not everyone can be a leader. 627 00:29:46,752 --> 00:29:47,936 So there's that. 628 00:29:47,936 --> 00:29:50,491 And then they also said redesign development. 629 00:29:50,491 --> 00:29:54,559 So this is what I thought was interesting Instead of focusing 630 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,395 in on the leader as a position or as a role or as a title, 631 00:29:59,977 --> 00:30:04,311 encourage project-based leadership, so not just formal 632 00:30:04,352 --> 00:30:05,074 hierarchies. 633 00:30:05,074 --> 00:30:10,867 So put people in charge of projects and make them that 634 00:30:10,907 --> 00:30:14,974 leader of the project, instead of having them have the title. 635 00:30:16,156 --> 00:30:21,325 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is so I don't know what the right word 636 00:30:21,384 --> 00:30:21,464 is. 637 00:30:21,464 --> 00:30:26,478 Important not to force people into leadership positions. 638 00:30:26,478 --> 00:30:29,703 We're doing the office thing. 639 00:30:29,703 --> 00:30:33,380 Michael Scott was a great individual contributor. 640 00:30:33,380 --> 00:30:35,732 He was so good. 641 00:30:35,732 --> 00:30:39,021 They promote him to manager where he sucks, he sucks. 642 00:30:42,435 --> 00:30:47,566 That happens so often that it's almost a joke now that, oh you 643 00:30:47,605 --> 00:30:50,874 know, this person is such a great individual contributor we 644 00:30:50,894 --> 00:30:51,816 need to make them a manager. 645 00:30:51,816 --> 00:30:52,999 And they can't do it. 646 00:30:52,999 --> 00:30:55,576 Well, you might have that mediocre performer, but they 647 00:30:55,656 --> 00:30:57,442 have the innate leadership skills. 648 00:30:57,442 --> 00:31:01,997 And I do think leadership is, you know, like they say in 649 00:31:02,017 --> 00:31:03,381 sports you can't teach speed. 650 00:31:03,381 --> 00:31:08,555 I think you can develop and enhance people's abilities, but 651 00:31:08,714 --> 00:31:11,301 if you don't have it to start with, you don't have it. 652 00:31:11,301 --> 00:31:15,354 And so those people that maybe they have great organizational 653 00:31:15,394 --> 00:31:19,877 skills, planning skills, start developing those people that 654 00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:24,583 maybe they could be struggling as an individual contributor 655 00:31:24,623 --> 00:31:27,986 because they're more big picture and they get, they feel they 656 00:31:28,026 --> 00:31:31,596 get weeded down by the minute details of an individual 657 00:31:31,635 --> 00:31:37,153 contributor has to do and yeah, businesses and hr have forced 658 00:31:37,333 --> 00:31:39,960 that for so long and I think that's probably one of the 659 00:31:39,980 --> 00:31:41,830 biggest things that need to change. 660 00:31:41,911 --> 00:31:45,579 And as much as everybody talks about it, it's still happening 661 00:31:45,819 --> 00:31:46,442 rampantly. 662 00:31:46,442 --> 00:31:50,211 And then again there's people who want to be promoted into 663 00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:50,971 leadership roles. 664 00:31:50,971 --> 00:31:53,096 That can't handle it. 665 00:31:53,096 --> 00:31:57,304 I worked somewhere we had someone been a long-time 666 00:31:57,369 --> 00:32:00,215 employee, great individual contributor, did some little 667 00:32:00,296 --> 00:32:04,371 minor leading on things and so they decided they were going to 668 00:32:04,392 --> 00:32:07,037 give him a shot as a leader when he had to lead a team. 669 00:32:07,037 --> 00:32:11,855 Oh my gosh, it was a dumpster fire from the word go and I like 670 00:32:11,855 --> 00:32:12,337 the person. 671 00:32:12,337 --> 00:32:13,555 I felt bad for them. 672 00:32:13,555 --> 00:32:18,795 But they also realized that it took two tries and they said, no 673 00:32:18,795 --> 00:32:21,557 , I don't like this, I don't want to be a leader anymore. 674 00:32:21,557 --> 00:32:25,653 I'm like yeah, thank you, you saved us from a hard decision or 675 00:32:25,653 --> 00:32:29,280 a difficult conversation, but anyways, yeah. 676 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,763 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. 677 00:32:30,763 --> 00:32:37,555 So I was looking at this one bullet where they're talking 678 00:32:37,575 --> 00:32:38,818 about redesigning what the leadership structure could look 679 00:32:38,838 --> 00:32:41,769 like and really focusing on project-based leadership rather 680 00:32:41,931 --> 00:32:43,517 than a formal hierarchy. 681 00:32:43,517 --> 00:32:48,898 And I want to say, like 10 years ago I was working at a 682 00:32:48,959 --> 00:32:54,455 company and we had a fairly like fairly large for most companies 683 00:32:54,455 --> 00:32:59,811 , but we had like a very large talent management team and our 684 00:33:00,031 --> 00:33:04,618 leader at the time was exiting the company and we were in a 685 00:33:04,778 --> 00:33:08,625 stage of waiting to hear who's like our replacement leader was. 686 00:33:08,625 --> 00:33:13,900 And one one guy on the team said we should just do like a 687 00:33:13,980 --> 00:33:17,817 round Robin, Like every month someone on the team gets to lead 688 00:33:17,817 --> 00:33:21,631 the team and blah, blah, blah and everyone he's like we can 689 00:33:21,651 --> 00:33:22,776 make it like a reality show. 690 00:33:23,832 --> 00:33:26,673 And everyone on the team laughed Cause they're like that is so 691 00:33:27,013 --> 00:33:28,439 like weird and dumb. 692 00:33:28,439 --> 00:33:30,837 No, I thought it was brilliant. 693 00:33:30,837 --> 00:33:35,279 And now the funny thing is is like I thought it was brilliant, 694 00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:38,114 as if it was like funny, but then, as I'm thinking about it, 695 00:33:38,193 --> 00:33:41,162 I was like things like that actually sound fun. 696 00:33:41,162 --> 00:33:44,817 And I know we think about it in terms of career development for 697 00:33:44,817 --> 00:33:48,847 an individual, of like, oh, let's give them like a project 698 00:33:48,887 --> 00:33:50,471 to manage for their development. 699 00:33:50,471 --> 00:33:55,401 And this is saying, if you don't have the bench for leaders 700 00:33:55,401 --> 00:33:59,433 because let's say, in this, in this hypothesis, we have an 701 00:33:59,473 --> 00:34:04,844 entire generation who wants to avoid these positions entirely 702 00:34:04,923 --> 00:34:08,184 to save their mental health and stuff if you don't have the 703 00:34:08,427 --> 00:34:11,215 bench for leaders or you don't have the leaders, that's like 704 00:34:11,516 --> 00:34:14,331 kind of an interesting way to go about it, because you do need 705 00:34:14,432 --> 00:34:16,538 someone to make sure things are getting done. 706 00:34:16,538 --> 00:34:18,771 So, yeah, I just think that's interesting. 707 00:34:19,172 --> 00:34:20,617 Speaker 1: I think, essentially, I've been thinking about it. 708 00:34:20,617 --> 00:34:25,916 If you're going around, you're taking turns leading, if you're 709 00:34:26,237 --> 00:34:30,403 all developed, if you start with developing, okay, here's our 710 00:34:30,483 --> 00:34:33,536 goal, here's where we want to be , here's our goal. 711 00:34:33,536 --> 00:34:36,769 And everybody take a certain amount of time a week or so 712 00:34:37,210 --> 00:34:37,672 leading. 713 00:34:37,672 --> 00:34:41,500 That I can see that being beneficial, as long as but 714 00:34:41,820 --> 00:34:43,972 everybody in the team has to work together, because you're 715 00:34:43,992 --> 00:34:48,141 going to get that person, who they're going to be in, over 716 00:34:48,161 --> 00:34:50,655 their head from the word go, and the rest of the team's still 717 00:34:50,695 --> 00:34:52,579 going to have to to pick up. 718 00:34:52,579 --> 00:34:58,137 And but yeah, as I'm digesting it, I'm thinking that could be 719 00:34:58,940 --> 00:35:00,909 in the right circumstance, with the right people. 720 00:35:00,909 --> 00:35:02,972 That could be a really good thing. 721 00:35:03,552 --> 00:35:07,856 Speaker 2: But yeah, interesting , it's funny that you said that 722 00:35:07,876 --> 00:35:11,938 because it also says that, for this to work, organizational 723 00:35:11,978 --> 00:35:15,081 structures should be like flattened and really based on 724 00:35:15,141 --> 00:35:20,346 trust, because the whole thing works on constant communication, 725 00:35:20,346 --> 00:35:25,894 constant collaboration and, yeah, so to your point, like it 726 00:35:25,974 --> 00:35:31,003 has to work in a very open, trusting and collaborative 727 00:35:31,043 --> 00:35:31,525 environment. 728 00:35:32,530 --> 00:35:36,115 Speaker 1: And communication is going to be more important than 729 00:35:36,277 --> 00:35:38,780 ever with that, because, as you're doing the leadership 730 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,427 handoff, you know you're handing the leadership baton over to me 731 00:35:42,427 --> 00:35:44,329 for next week to communicate. 732 00:35:44,329 --> 00:35:48,791 Ok, here's where we are to communicate. 733 00:35:48,791 --> 00:35:50,193 Okay, here's where we are, but it's not just at the handoff 734 00:35:50,213 --> 00:35:52,739 time, but complete transparency and everything, because if 735 00:35:52,759 --> 00:35:55,911 you're all quote unquote leaders at some point you can't. 736 00:35:55,911 --> 00:35:57,916 Holy crap, nobody told me about this. 737 00:35:57,916 --> 00:35:58,938 I got sandbagged. 738 00:35:58,938 --> 00:35:59,681 You know what's? 739 00:35:59,681 --> 00:36:00,061 You know? 740 00:36:00,061 --> 00:36:01,393 Yeah, well, this is. 741 00:36:01,753 --> 00:36:04,099 Speaker 2: This is saying that it's not like a time-based thing 742 00:36:04,099 --> 00:36:04,099 . 743 00:36:04,099 --> 00:36:08,119 Like this is you're the leader of running the engagement survey 744 00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:11,916 for the organization that's your baby, and like you can pull 745 00:36:11,916 --> 00:36:16,271 people as resources on the team as you need and direct them as 746 00:36:16,331 --> 00:36:16,693 needed. 747 00:36:16,693 --> 00:36:19,364 You, on the other hand, you'll be doing like performance 748 00:36:19,403 --> 00:36:23,215 management and dipping out that way, so everyone kind of has 749 00:36:23,335 --> 00:36:25,822 they're all like little, they're all like project managers and 750 00:36:25,862 --> 00:36:29,255 then, when they're not focusing on leading their one project 751 00:36:29,454 --> 00:36:33,802 like their main project, they're playing as a specialist on 752 00:36:33,902 --> 00:36:34,543 other projects. 753 00:36:34,543 --> 00:36:35,931 Oh my god, I love this. 754 00:36:36,050 --> 00:36:40,454 Speaker 1: I'm kind of nerding out time to write a 755 00:36:40,494 --> 00:36:43,576 self-published book and get on the speaker. 756 00:36:44,056 --> 00:36:44,856 Speaker 2: Let's do it. 757 00:36:46,057 --> 00:36:46,697 Speaker 1: Let's see. 758 00:36:46,697 --> 00:36:49,679 No, I do like the idea. 759 00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:52,661 There. 760 00:36:52,661 --> 00:36:57,306 You're leading me into an article I read on LinkedIn and I 761 00:36:57,306 --> 00:36:58,228 don't have the data. 762 00:36:58,228 --> 00:37:01,637 I copied and pasted it from LinkedIn and it says three days 763 00:37:01,704 --> 00:37:04,336 ago then and I couldn't tell you why I copied and pasted this. 764 00:37:04,336 --> 00:37:10,554 So this comes to us from Jennifer McClure and so she 765 00:37:10,634 --> 00:37:11,635 wrote this thing. 766 00:37:11,635 --> 00:37:12,518 She goes HR. 767 00:37:12,518 --> 00:37:13,480 This might sting. 768 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,347 Dr John Sullivan recently published a scathing list of 769 00:37:17,427 --> 00:37:21,637 failures that expose what is really happening in many HR 770 00:37:21,677 --> 00:37:24,028 departments, and the stats are hard to ignore. 771 00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:26,936 Speaker 2: So I'm going to go down these stats. 772 00:37:26,936 --> 00:37:27,827 I can't wait. 773 00:37:27,827 --> 00:37:29,773 I'm waiting with bated breath. 774 00:37:30,746 --> 00:37:34,036 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, hr has a diversity problem. 775 00:37:34,036 --> 00:37:38,989 Stat number one 71% of professionals are women and 65% 776 00:37:39,090 --> 00:37:40,253 identify as white. 777 00:37:40,916 --> 00:37:48,128 Okay, Okay are women and 65% identify as white. 778 00:37:48,128 --> 00:37:48,829 Okay, 71% is women. 779 00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:50,253 I totally get, as I've worked with like three men in my career 780 00:37:50,253 --> 00:37:50,534 , not that many. 781 00:37:50,534 --> 00:37:51,778 65% is white. 782 00:37:51,778 --> 00:37:55,967 I don't know if I agree with that, but where I live is one of 783 00:37:55,967 --> 00:38:00,956 the most racially diverse areas in the country and I don't know 784 00:38:00,956 --> 00:38:05,088 , maybe you go to middle America where everybody's as white as 785 00:38:05,108 --> 00:38:06,753 the wind-driven, snow and stuff like that. 786 00:38:06,753 --> 00:38:08,056 Maybe I don't know. 787 00:38:09,206 --> 00:38:14,014 Speaker 2: I will say I believe that could be real, I think 788 00:38:14,054 --> 00:38:15,097 that's probably real. 789 00:38:15,818 --> 00:38:16,039 Speaker 1: Okay. 790 00:38:17,505 --> 00:38:18,929 Speaker 2: And now I'm curious. 791 00:38:18,929 --> 00:38:21,956 So I'm like let me ask the robot. 792 00:38:22,867 --> 00:38:23,851 Speaker 1: Oh, let's chat. 793 00:38:23,851 --> 00:38:27,251 Gbt say oh, I'll go on to the next stat. 794 00:38:27,251 --> 00:38:32,675 Only 46% of executives perceive HR as contributing strategic 795 00:38:32,735 --> 00:38:33,155 value. 796 00:38:33,155 --> 00:38:35,630 Okay, I don't buy that. 797 00:38:35,630 --> 00:38:41,036 I've worked places where I feel HR didn't have all the respect 798 00:38:41,076 --> 00:38:44,851 they deserve, but I don't think HR was ever perceived as not 799 00:38:44,911 --> 00:38:46,476 contributing a strategic value. 800 00:38:46,476 --> 00:38:51,367 Even in the worst of places I've been, I don't think that 801 00:38:51,407 --> 00:38:52,331 that's the case. 802 00:38:52,331 --> 00:38:56,469 But then again, a lot of these HR pros they're the fuzzy 803 00:38:56,528 --> 00:38:58,358 sweater should be a kindergarten teacher. 804 00:38:58,358 --> 00:39:01,108 Let's all get along and have a pizza party type thing. 805 00:39:01,108 --> 00:39:04,996 And there's a lot of those out there and you just go to a 806 00:39:05,036 --> 00:39:08,550 showroom conference and you'll see them in droves and you know 807 00:39:08,570 --> 00:39:10,134 they should be in HR. 808 00:39:10,876 --> 00:39:13,889 Speaker 2: I think, for the most part, I've been lucky enough to 809 00:39:13,889 --> 00:39:17,056 work at companies where HR is seen as a strategic partner. 810 00:39:17,056 --> 00:39:22,034 Yeah, I worked at one where they were not. 811 00:39:22,034 --> 00:39:25,626 We were actually called profit sucking overhead, you know. 812 00:39:25,626 --> 00:39:26,809 But I don't. 813 00:39:26,809 --> 00:39:32,038 I think again, I feel very lucky to have worked at decent 814 00:39:32,318 --> 00:39:37,014 companies and I do want to let you know that, just digging into 815 00:39:37,014 --> 00:39:41,130 it just a little bit, those, those seem to be correct, those 816 00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:42,755 demographics seem to align. 817 00:39:42,755 --> 00:39:45,528 Okay, okay, yeah. 818 00:39:46,431 --> 00:39:47,032 Speaker 1: Interesting. 819 00:39:47,032 --> 00:39:53,047 Well, here's a fun next stat for that 70% of employees say 820 00:39:53,086 --> 00:39:53,807 they don't trust HR. 821 00:39:55,509 --> 00:39:56,130 Speaker 2: Okay, yep. 822 00:39:56,510 --> 00:40:01,275 Speaker 1: And you see the anti-HR and you see all these 823 00:40:01,355 --> 00:40:07,681 people who just have some stick up their ass about HR and I 824 00:40:07,721 --> 00:40:09,101 loved when Jamie was on she goes . 825 00:40:09,101 --> 00:40:11,967 Just because your uncle got fired for grabbing Sally's ass 826 00:40:12,088 --> 00:40:14,972 once upon a time doesn't mean HR is the problem or whatever. 827 00:40:14,972 --> 00:40:17,818 She said something to that extent when she was on board 828 00:40:17,878 --> 00:40:18,239 with us. 829 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,155 Hr is not the problem in that instance. 830 00:40:21,235 --> 00:40:22,300 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, we're the problem in that 831 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:22,501 instance. 832 00:40:22,521 --> 00:40:23,043 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. 833 00:40:23,806 --> 00:40:24,949 Speaker 2: Well, we're the messengers. 834 00:40:25,411 --> 00:40:26,295 Speaker 1: We're the messengers. 835 00:40:26,684 --> 00:40:30,735 Speaker 2: Because people somehow also think that HR are 836 00:40:30,795 --> 00:40:33,268 like the decision makers, especially let's talk about like 837 00:40:33,268 --> 00:40:35,628 termination or pay, because those are the things people are 838 00:40:36,231 --> 00:40:37,295 the most sensitive about. 839 00:40:37,295 --> 00:40:40,972 But they just kind of feel like HR because they're the ones 840 00:40:41,114 --> 00:40:42,757 that are telling power. 841 00:40:42,757 --> 00:40:45,373 They have all the power and it's like no, by the time it 842 00:40:45,413 --> 00:40:47,579 gets to hr's desk it has. 843 00:40:47,579 --> 00:40:53,358 It has been come an issue like yeah, and honestly it's a lot of 844 00:40:53,358 --> 00:40:55,965 the things that have that go on all the business decisions. 845 00:40:55,965 --> 00:41:01,036 We're probably part of it, or at least we consult on it, but 846 00:41:01,117 --> 00:41:03,722 at the end of the day, a lot of things are like leadership 847 00:41:04,023 --> 00:41:04,445 decisions. 848 00:41:06,170 --> 00:41:07,614 Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. 849 00:41:07,614 --> 00:41:12,014 But I still don't see a reason why people would say they don't 850 00:41:12,076 --> 00:41:12,496 trust HR. 851 00:41:13,204 --> 00:41:14,956 Speaker 2: They've been watching too much TV. 852 00:41:15,724 --> 00:41:19,269 Speaker 1: They've been reading too much anti-HR or anti-work 853 00:41:19,911 --> 00:41:21,512 Reddit posts and things like that. 854 00:41:21,552 --> 00:41:24,597 Speaker 2: Just think of who terminates people when layoffs 855 00:41:24,657 --> 00:41:29,835 happen or who's like standing in your way to get a promotion, 856 00:41:30,144 --> 00:41:33,663 like it can't be your completely inept manager who can't give 857 00:41:33,682 --> 00:41:36,233 you proper feedback so you can develop. 858 00:41:36,233 --> 00:41:38,572 It has to be the HR person. 859 00:41:39,173 --> 00:41:41,769 Speaker 1: HR said I couldn't give you more than a 1% raise. 860 00:41:41,769 --> 00:41:42,932 This year. 861 00:41:42,952 --> 00:41:47,994 Speaker 2: Oh HR said Grow a backbone, oh yeah. 862 00:41:48,746 --> 00:41:51,771 Speaker 1: When HR says something, when they say HR says 863 00:41:51,771 --> 00:41:54,378 you can almost guarantee HR didn't say shit. 864 00:41:54,378 --> 00:42:00,170 Oh, when you hear that HR says this, you know I tell you how 865 00:42:00,190 --> 00:42:02,914 many times, and that's one of the stories I have for later, 866 00:42:02,954 --> 00:42:05,099 but I'll probably get to that one today at least. 867 00:42:05,099 --> 00:42:09,615 Now here's one I really wanted your feedback on. 868 00:42:09,615 --> 00:42:14,516 This is the final stat that Jennifer quoted Dr Sullivan on. 869 00:42:14,516 --> 00:42:19,835 A staggering 90% of individual L&D programs fail to achieve 870 00:42:19,876 --> 00:42:25,885 their intended outcomes 90% 90%. 871 00:42:25,905 --> 00:42:27,268 Speaker 2: That number seems ridiculous. 872 00:42:27,268 --> 00:42:34,043 I will say this I think the stat is that you only remember 873 00:42:34,503 --> 00:42:40,815 10% of what you learned from an in-person session or a 874 00:42:40,896 --> 00:42:42,079 point-in-time training. 875 00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:46,626 Okay, so we can flip that number and we can then say, oh, 876 00:42:46,706 --> 00:42:52,534 90% of all training is horrible, but that just means that 877 00:42:52,594 --> 00:42:57,875 whoever is doing that training is not doing a good job. 878 00:42:59,568 --> 00:43:01,556 Speaker 1: Or maybe the training is not right for the audience, 879 00:43:01,898 --> 00:43:06,630 or maybe the issue isn't a training issue, it's a 880 00:43:06,650 --> 00:43:07,610 leadership issue. 881 00:43:07,610 --> 00:43:12,217 Yeah, that blew me away. 882 00:43:12,217 --> 00:43:13,559 Well, jennifer goes on. 883 00:43:13,559 --> 00:43:16,235 That's not a good look, especially for a function 884 00:43:16,275 --> 00:43:19,608 responsible for driving culture, capability and leadership. 885 00:43:19,608 --> 00:43:23,527 And to top it off and here's another stat HR has the highest 886 00:43:23,568 --> 00:43:25,512 turnover rate of any corporate function. 887 00:43:25,512 --> 00:43:30,695 Linkedin data shows HR's turnover is 38% higher than the 888 00:43:30,735 --> 00:43:31,577 corporate average. 889 00:43:32,148 --> 00:43:33,905 Speaker 2: I'm going to call BS on those stats. 890 00:43:34,945 --> 00:43:37,750 Speaker 1: I agree, my time where I'm at now. 891 00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:40,052 The entire accounting department has turned over more 892 00:43:40,112 --> 00:43:44,838 than once there and that's not uncommon, but I, you know 893 00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:48,708 average person's now saying what it's staying at a job of what 894 00:43:48,728 --> 00:43:52,257 they say approximately three years now I'm above that and 895 00:43:53,077 --> 00:43:53,806 it's interesting. 896 00:43:53,806 --> 00:44:01,153 So, anyways, someone going back to someone replied based on the 897 00:44:01,153 --> 00:44:06,079 work we've been doing at his company, I think human resources 898 00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:08,626 professionals have a choice to make A quit. 899 00:44:08,626 --> 00:44:11,452 If you believe HR is a joke, it's time to get out of the 900 00:44:11,492 --> 00:44:12,014 profession. 901 00:44:12,014 --> 00:44:13,657 Don't quite quit, just quit. 902 00:44:13,657 --> 00:44:18,733 Or B transform those who are adding strategic value or want 903 00:44:18,773 --> 00:44:18,914 to. 904 00:44:18,914 --> 00:44:22,039 I implore you to continue the fight, to fight, et cetera. 905 00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:27,858 So it goes on from there, but HR is not the problem generally 906 00:44:27,898 --> 00:44:28,197 speaking. 907 00:44:28,197 --> 00:44:30,974 Now, like I said, there's a lot of bad HR practitioners out 908 00:44:30,994 --> 00:44:31,155 there. 909 00:44:31,155 --> 00:44:34,072 People are just oh, you were a good receptionist, so you're 910 00:44:34,112 --> 00:44:35,436 going to be a great HR person. 911 00:44:35,436 --> 00:44:38,271 You get that all the time and some do develop into a great HR 912 00:44:38,311 --> 00:44:39,034 professional. 913 00:44:39,505 --> 00:44:41,954 That's what happened to my wife when she worked at Target. 914 00:44:41,954 --> 00:44:45,835 She started at 16 years old in what was called at the time Food 915 00:44:45,835 --> 00:44:50,173 Avenue Express and they served hot dogs, popcorn and shit like 916 00:44:50,213 --> 00:44:50,414 that. 917 00:44:50,414 --> 00:44:52,572 Now they got Starbucks in every Target. 918 00:44:52,572 --> 00:44:55,795 But she ended up becoming cashier, cashier team leader, 919 00:44:56,465 --> 00:44:59,434 guest service team leader and then moved into HR. 920 00:44:59,434 --> 00:45:03,947 Actually, first she did the cash handling, counting the 921 00:45:03,987 --> 00:45:04,206 money. 922 00:45:04,206 --> 00:45:06,735 She would have to come in at way early hours in the morning, 923 00:45:06,755 --> 00:45:09,550 count the money and get the deposits ready for the previous 924 00:45:09,612 --> 00:45:10,253 day and things like that. 925 00:45:10,253 --> 00:45:11,465 I forget what that job was called. 926 00:45:11,465 --> 00:45:15,353 Then she moved into HR and she rocked HR for a while. 927 00:45:15,353 --> 00:45:19,210 She stayed in HR with Target for a very long time but when 928 00:45:19,230 --> 00:45:23,045 the economy turned down, they told her they wanted her to do 929 00:45:23,206 --> 00:45:26,454 all of her HR functions plus spend 20 hours a week working on 930 00:45:26,454 --> 00:45:26,914 the floor. 931 00:45:26,914 --> 00:45:30,168 And she said no, thank you, I'll get another job. 932 00:45:32,070 --> 00:45:32,753 Speaker 2: That's a lot. 933 00:45:33,753 --> 00:45:34,815 Speaker 1: Yeah. 934 00:45:34,956 --> 00:45:36,985 Speaker 2: All right, you want to go down a fun rabbit hole 935 00:45:37,005 --> 00:45:37,807 really quick. 936 00:45:37,847 --> 00:45:38,248 Speaker 1: Yes. 937 00:45:38,969 --> 00:45:41,695 Speaker 2: I take it back Yep, hr professionals have the 938 00:45:41,735 --> 00:45:44,248 highest turnover rate of all functions in corporate. 939 00:45:44,248 --> 00:45:47,894 The corporate average is 11% turnover. 940 00:45:47,894 --> 00:45:56,811 Hr professionals come in at 14.6%. 941 00:45:56,811 --> 00:46:04,659 I thought that the number one turnover was going to be sales I 942 00:46:04,659 --> 00:46:09,411 would think so they come in at number two they're just below 943 00:46:09,610 --> 00:46:14,778 average wow and then they talk about like why, and it's, what 944 00:46:14,798 --> 00:46:16,166 is it inside? 945 00:46:16,166 --> 00:46:19,233 Stress and visibility, remote work, pressures and then 946 00:46:19,273 --> 00:46:21,838 emotional labor with limited autonomy. 947 00:46:21,838 --> 00:46:25,489 So yeah, I see. 948 00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:27,934 Speaker 1: One of the things I love about my job. 949 00:46:27,934 --> 00:46:32,568 Now I have unlimited autonomy, I can do anything I want. 950 00:46:32,568 --> 00:46:35,195 Pretty much that's what I love about my job right now. 951 00:46:35,195 --> 00:46:40,815 So, okay, two quick things I'm going to try and get in before 952 00:46:40,954 --> 00:46:42,538 we wrap this thing up. 953 00:46:42,538 --> 00:46:45,644 Lying candidates situation. 954 00:46:45,644 --> 00:46:50,414 You know I started these show notes to be our May 28th, I 955 00:46:50,454 --> 00:46:52,706 think, episode recording, so anyways. 956 00:46:52,706 --> 00:46:55,804 So I probably had this could be two weeks before that, but 957 00:46:55,865 --> 00:46:59,648 anyways, lying candidates Now you always hear all this 958 00:46:59,708 --> 00:47:03,965 bullshit about recruiters lying and cheating and whatever. 959 00:47:04,146 --> 00:47:07,614 And I have a personal story I won't get into because of time 960 00:47:08,074 --> 00:47:09,318 on lying recruiters. 961 00:47:09,318 --> 00:47:12,813 But so ran into a situation recently. 962 00:47:12,813 --> 00:47:17,769 We put screening questions in our applicant tracking system so 963 00:47:17,769 --> 00:47:20,878 the recruiter can look at it and she can take care of things. 964 00:47:20,878 --> 00:47:24,670 So she loaded up a question and says I understand that, due to 965 00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:27,717 the nature of this work, remote slash, hybrid work is not 966 00:47:27,764 --> 00:47:29,791 available for this position. 967 00:47:29,791 --> 00:47:30,594 Check yes or no. 968 00:47:30,594 --> 00:47:35,246 The applicant checks yes, the recruiter in her question when 969 00:47:35,288 --> 00:47:36,210 she does her screening. 970 00:47:36,210 --> 00:47:38,577 I want to make sure you understand, because this work is 971 00:47:38,577 --> 00:47:40,829 physically done at our client site. 972 00:47:40,829 --> 00:47:43,092 Remote and hybrid work is not available. 973 00:47:43,092 --> 00:47:44,755 Candidate says yep, got it. 974 00:47:44,755 --> 00:47:47,059 Hiring manager interview. 975 00:47:47,059 --> 00:47:51,498 Rinse and repeat, I read the interview notes, because this 976 00:47:51,538 --> 00:47:53,264 work's done at our client site. 977 00:47:53,264 --> 00:47:54,666 We don't offer remote work. 978 00:47:54,666 --> 00:48:00,329 Interviewee agrees Offer goes out, comes back two things. 979 00:48:00,329 --> 00:48:01,251 A offer goes out, comes back two things. 980 00:48:01,251 --> 00:48:06,094 A wants $20,000 more than they told our recruiter initially and 981 00:48:06,094 --> 00:48:09,577 she says I want to either work fully remote or hybrid, but no 982 00:48:09,637 --> 00:48:11,398 more than two days a week in the office. 983 00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:12,599 Speaker 2: Okay. 984 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,661 Speaker 1: The audacity to think they're just going to love me 985 00:48:15,702 --> 00:48:15,943 so much. 986 00:48:15,943 --> 00:48:20,775 They're going to, and we explained not only that it's not 987 00:48:20,775 --> 00:48:22,865 available but the why this work is physically done at a client 988 00:48:23,086 --> 00:48:23,447 site. 989 00:48:23,447 --> 00:48:26,534 You can't bring the client site to your living room, or what 990 00:48:26,574 --> 00:48:26,855 have you? 991 00:48:26,855 --> 00:48:32,030 So we, we hit it one, two, three, four, three times 992 00:48:33,072 --> 00:48:36,686 screening question, recruiter, hiring manager and then comes 993 00:48:36,786 --> 00:48:40,619 back, but yeah, warren, they are probably very special at what 994 00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:43,588 they do and they probably deserve an exception to do 995 00:48:43,668 --> 00:48:44,530 exceptional work. 996 00:48:45,411 --> 00:48:50,221 Yeah, but the work is at a. 997 00:48:50,221 --> 00:48:55,172 There's a physical nature to this work and it's not in your 998 00:48:55,213 --> 00:48:55,652 living room. 999 00:48:55,652 --> 00:48:58,985 It will never be in your living room, so anyways. 1000 00:48:59,648 --> 00:49:00,789 Speaker 2: Oh, that's so good. 1001 00:49:01,690 --> 00:49:05,438 Speaker 1: So my final thing and this is another HR sort of this 1002 00:49:05,438 --> 00:49:07,521 turns into a rant. 1003 00:49:07,521 --> 00:49:10,849 I have the actual email in front of me that I received. 1004 00:49:10,849 --> 00:49:13,835 I'm going to try and edit this as I read it. 1005 00:49:13,835 --> 00:49:14,846 I should have edited it before. 1006 00:49:14,846 --> 00:49:18,293 So I got an email asking a question which was discussed in 1007 00:49:18,313 --> 00:49:23,563 the meeting just the day before and they wrote I wanted to 1008 00:49:23,623 --> 00:49:26,614 request clarification on, in which we discussed in the 1009 00:49:26,635 --> 00:49:27,639 meeting the day before. 1010 00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:31,550 I don't believe it got answered clearly or misunderstood. 1011 00:49:31,550 --> 00:49:34,458 It either didn't get answered clearly or misunderstood. 1012 00:49:35,726 --> 00:49:40,293 Grammar people and this particular employee is the type 1013 00:49:40,333 --> 00:49:43,619 of employee that I know is absolutely definitely going to 1014 00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:59,802 hold on to my email and they're going to say well, warren said 1015 00:49:59,822 --> 00:50:01,503 this and I have just into running through all these 1016 00:50:01,523 --> 00:50:05,070 scenarios in my head because I knew they were going to try and 1017 00:50:05,150 --> 00:50:09,239 manipulate what I said into something that I didn't mean. 1018 00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:15,795 So I wanted to make explicitly sure my meaning could not be 1019 00:50:16,056 --> 00:50:20,733 mistaken out of any context that it could, because I just know 1020 00:50:21,115 --> 00:50:23,585 that this is one of the downsides of being in HR and 1021 00:50:23,606 --> 00:50:25,710 this is why people hate HR. 1022 00:50:25,710 --> 00:50:27,755 Because I've been there, I've done that. 1023 00:50:27,755 --> 00:50:30,168 Maybe if I was a rookie I would say I'd just answer the 1024 00:50:30,210 --> 00:50:32,175 question in two sentences and be done with it. 1025 00:50:32,175 --> 00:50:36,512 But I just know the games that people play and I want to make 1026 00:50:36,552 --> 00:50:38,177 because, aha, I've got you. 1027 00:50:38,177 --> 00:50:43,266 You said this, it's in writing, and I don't care what's in 1028 00:50:43,286 --> 00:50:43,447 writing. 1029 00:50:43,447 --> 00:50:45,954 You misunderstood what I'm saying, just like I don't 1030 00:50:45,994 --> 00:50:48,708 believe it got answered clearly or misunderstood. 1031 00:50:48,708 --> 00:50:52,661 Well, I don't believe it got misunderstood, it's just anyways 1032 00:50:52,661 --> 00:50:55,347 that was a fun thing. 1033 00:50:55,648 --> 00:50:59,737 But in HR you have to be on the defense, you have to think like 1034 00:50:59,757 --> 00:50:59,918 that. 1035 00:51:00,097 --> 00:51:04,853 And answering that three-line email took me 90 minutes because 1036 00:51:04,853 --> 00:51:08,458 I was thinking, okay, how can they manipulate, how can they 1037 00:51:08,498 --> 00:51:12,293 take this, how are they going to be able to do this? 1038 00:51:12,293 --> 00:51:14,972 And, knock on wood, I haven't had any. 1039 00:51:14,972 --> 00:51:16,931 They didn't reply to my email once. 1040 00:51:16,931 --> 00:51:20,373 I replied to them, so I think I did my job. 1041 00:51:20,373 --> 00:51:24,067 But it's just like really people it's, it's life Isn't 1042 00:51:24,106 --> 00:51:24,588 that hard. 1043 00:51:24,588 --> 00:51:29,438 Or just to stop making things more difficult than they need to 1044 00:51:29,438 --> 00:51:29,619 be. 1045 00:51:29,619 --> 00:51:31,710 Do your job, that's what it comes down to. 1046 00:51:31,710 --> 00:51:33,755 So it becomes happy. 1047 00:51:35,425 --> 00:51:36,329 Speaker 2: I just want to do a really quick one. 1048 00:51:36,329 --> 00:51:36,650 Yeah, we're both. 1049 00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:37,251 Listen, we missed a week. 1050 00:51:37,251 --> 00:51:38,195 We're both really quick one. 1051 00:51:38,195 --> 00:51:40,663 Yeah, listen, we missed a week, we're both. 1052 00:51:40,663 --> 00:51:41,364 Yeah, we got a lot. 1053 00:51:41,945 --> 00:51:45,556 Speaker 1: I've got a lot more stories in my show notes that I 1054 00:51:45,945 --> 00:51:49,295 I I'm probably pretty good for next week or next episode too. 1055 00:51:50,505 --> 00:51:53,153 Speaker 2: So I was on Reddit and this is in Reddit, the 1056 00:51:53,173 --> 00:51:58,275 subreddit jobs, and somebody had been interviewing for a job. 1057 00:51:58,275 --> 00:52:01,030 You reminded me by talking about the lying job candidate. 1058 00:52:01,030 --> 00:52:02,552 So, anyway, this, this person had been interviewing for a job. 1059 00:52:02,552 --> 00:52:03,715 You reminded me by talking about the lying job candidate. 1060 00:52:03,715 --> 00:52:06,018 So, anyway, this person it's a guy, his name is Bart, which I 1061 00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:06,860 think is fantastic. 1062 00:52:06,860 --> 00:52:12,233 He said that he received an email or an invitation for an 1063 00:52:12,293 --> 00:52:17,347 interview and he then immediately got an email that he 1064 00:52:17,347 --> 00:52:22,253 was not supposed to be CC'd on from the hiring manager saying I 1065 00:52:22,253 --> 00:52:26,192 thought we all agreed bart was out, cancel his interview and 1066 00:52:26,231 --> 00:52:26,994 apologize. 1067 00:52:27,635 --> 00:52:32,266 So he was like shit so he's like how do I respond to this? 1068 00:52:32,266 --> 00:52:33,489 Because this is awkward. 1069 00:52:33,489 --> 00:52:36,476 So he posted it to reddit and like a lot of people. 1070 00:52:36,496 --> 00:52:37,806 Speaker 1: Respond you posted online? 1071 00:52:38,429 --> 00:52:42,599 Speaker 2: well, yes, because, honestly, the, the, the 1072 00:52:42,619 --> 00:52:45,005 community, did a fantastic job. 1073 00:52:45,005 --> 00:52:49,559 So today he reported back and he said he composed an email and 1074 00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:55,411 he sent it back to all which I loved, power move and basically 1075 00:52:55,490 --> 00:53:01,119 said hi all, I thought we all agreed Bart was in Winky face 1076 00:53:01,179 --> 00:53:04,766 emoji, but I'm sure that message wasn't meant for me. 1077 00:53:04,766 --> 00:53:07,411 But no worries, no apology necessary. 1078 00:53:07,411 --> 00:53:11,226 I appreciate the opportunity to interview with the team and get 1079 00:53:11,226 --> 00:53:12,309 a feel for the role. 1080 00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:15,577 If you find yourself looking for someone whose skill set 1081 00:53:15,704 --> 00:53:18,831 includes a strong focus on awareness, attention, yada, yada 1082 00:53:18,831 --> 00:53:22,617 , feel free to reach out, wishing you all the best in your 1083 00:53:22,617 --> 00:53:23,039 search. 1084 00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:28,893 And I was like mic drop that is the perfect response. 1085 00:53:29,514 --> 00:53:33,315 Speaker 1: It is, it absolutely is, and I bet you they're going 1086 00:53:33,335 --> 00:53:34,061 to remember him. 1087 00:53:34,061 --> 00:53:37,567 Yeah, and if there is another opportunity Now, if they're not 1088 00:53:37,606 --> 00:53:41,000 too embarrassed to hey Bart I'm sorry about last time, but let's 1089 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:41,545 not too embarrassed to hey Bart , let's stop. 1090 00:53:41,545 --> 00:53:42,971 You know I'm sorry about last time, but let's talk to you 1091 00:53:42,990 --> 00:53:44,132 again, type thing. 1092 00:53:44,132 --> 00:53:48,559 So no great, you know golf clap for Bart. 1093 00:53:48,684 --> 00:53:52,353 Speaker 2: you know good job, good for you, bart, and honestly 1094 00:53:52,353 --> 00:53:54,686 , you're going to find a role that's better suited for you. 1095 00:53:55,326 --> 00:53:57,306 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. 1096 00:53:57,867 --> 00:53:58,106 Speaker 2: Man. 1097 00:53:58,106 --> 00:54:01,429 Anyway, I thought that was cute , and sometimes Reddit delivers. 1098 00:54:02,068 --> 00:54:03,389 Speaker 1: Yes, it does so. 1099 00:54:03,389 --> 00:54:08,072 Anyways, well, before we wrap things up, we haven't thanked 1100 00:54:08,172 --> 00:54:11,835 our supporters Hallie, the original Jaded HR rockstar, and 1101 00:54:11,875 --> 00:54:13,155 then Bill and Mike. 1102 00:54:13,155 --> 00:54:16,436 You can join them too by supporting us on Patreon. 1103 00:54:16,436 --> 00:54:17,657 There's links in the show notes . 1104 00:54:17,657 --> 00:54:20,338 You can contact us any number of ways. 1105 00:54:20,338 --> 00:54:23,880 Send us a text link in the show notes is awesome. 1106 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,422 So go ahead and try that. 1107 00:54:25,481 --> 00:54:28,262 I'd love to get some feedback, love to get some more reviews. 1108 00:54:28,262 --> 00:54:32,739 I didn't check this week, but I did check last week and I 1109 00:54:32,759 --> 00:54:33,304 didn't have any new reviews. 1110 00:54:33,304 --> 00:54:36,612 So get us some reviews and we will read them. 1111 00:54:36,612 --> 00:54:38,969 So let us know and, of course, spread the word. 1112 00:54:38,969 --> 00:54:44,652 You know, if we had recorded an episode at the end of May, like 1113 00:54:44,652 --> 00:54:46,981 we were intended to, we came so close, without another episode, 1114 00:54:46,981 --> 00:54:49,248 to breaking a monthly record for number of downloads. 1115 00:54:49,248 --> 00:54:55,978 If we had put out an episode, I feel as close to 100% confident 1116 00:54:55,978 --> 00:55:00,550 we would have broken a record for downloads if we had put out 1117 00:55:00,592 --> 00:55:01,172 that episode. 1118 00:55:01,172 --> 00:55:05,458 So just tell your friends, get the word out and we will talk to 1119 00:55:05,458 --> 00:55:05,639 you. 1120 00:55:05,778 --> 00:55:08,525 In two weeks We'll have a regular episode and in three 1121 00:55:08,565 --> 00:55:12,918 weeks we will have the benefits episode of the Office. 1122 00:55:12,918 --> 00:55:17,389 So a lot to look forward to here, and plus I still have half 1123 00:55:17,389 --> 00:55:20,556 a page of show notes that I took over the last four weeks 1124 00:55:21,007 --> 00:55:22,211 that I can go back to. 1125 00:55:22,211 --> 00:55:26,496 So already doing some future work, love it, yay. 1126 00:55:26,496 --> 00:55:30,632 Well, I want to thank the Underscore Orchestra for using 1127 00:55:30,672 --> 00:55:32,297 their theme song Devil to Devil. 1128 00:55:32,297 --> 00:55:35,885 And then the voice artist at the beginning is Andrew Kolba, 1129 00:55:36,005 --> 00:55:41,347 so now I can say, as always, I'm Warren, I'm Cece and we're here 1130 00:55:41,347 --> 00:55:42,369 helping you survive. 1131 00:55:42,369 --> 00:55:43,311 Hr1. 1132 00:55:43,311 --> 00:55:45,257 What the Fuck moment at a time. 1133 00:55:45,257 --> 00:55:47,467 The Fuck Bye.