1 00:00:02,023 --> 00:00:04,546 Speaker 1: Had you actually read the email, you would know that 2 00:00:04,567 --> 00:00:07,812 the podcast you are about to listen to could contain explicit 3 00:00:07,812 --> 00:00:09,814 language and offensive content. 4 00:00:09,814 --> 00:00:14,474 These HR experts' views are not representative of their past, 5 00:00:14,814 --> 00:00:16,480 present or future employers. 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,707 If you have ever heard my manager is unfair to me. 7 00:00:19,707 --> 00:00:24,722 I need you to reset my HR portal password, or Can I write 8 00:00:24,762 --> 00:00:26,548 up my employee for crying too much? 9 00:00:26,548 --> 00:00:28,864 Welcome to our little safe zone . 10 00:00:28,864 --> 00:00:31,190 Welcome to Jaded HR. 11 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:54,863 Speaker 2: Welcome to JDHR, the podcast by two HR professionals 12 00:00:54,884 --> 00:00:57,231 who want to help you get through the workday by saying 13 00:00:57,250 --> 00:00:59,737 everything you're thinking, but say it out loud. 14 00:00:59,737 --> 00:01:00,238 I'm Warren, I'm Cece. 15 00:01:00,238 --> 00:01:02,685 We are back on a normal schedule, as we're saying. 16 00:01:02,685 --> 00:01:04,668 This week we have this one. 17 00:01:04,668 --> 00:01:06,593 Next week we have Office Rewatch. 18 00:01:06,593 --> 00:01:12,132 The week after that, july 10th, we'll be dropping another new 19 00:01:12,212 --> 00:01:15,981 episode, but July 24th I'm going to be out of town and unless we 20 00:01:15,981 --> 00:01:17,066 record two, maybe we'll do it. 21 00:01:17,066 --> 00:01:20,209 Maybe we'll record two and do a second Office one and then drop 22 00:01:20,209 --> 00:01:20,450 that. 23 00:01:20,450 --> 00:01:22,486 That's require a little bit less work on my end. 24 00:01:22,706 --> 00:01:24,774 Speaker 3: That'd be awesome. 25 00:01:24,774 --> 00:01:26,064 Give the people what they want. 26 00:01:26,165 --> 00:01:28,367 Speaker 2: Yeah, and y'all seem to be enjoying the office 27 00:01:28,427 --> 00:01:31,325 episode, so next week we'll have one of those as well. 28 00:01:31,325 --> 00:01:39,331 So, ah, wow, well, we were talking off air about and we've 29 00:01:39,459 --> 00:01:42,465 we've mentioned on there before as well you as a listener, 30 00:01:43,066 --> 00:01:45,987 really really like when we shit on SHRM. 31 00:01:45,987 --> 00:01:49,965 Our last episode yet again while we're talking about SHRM 32 00:01:50,406 --> 00:01:55,364 had well above average download numbers, in the first two weeks 33 00:01:55,424 --> 00:01:55,766 at least. 34 00:01:55,766 --> 00:01:59,819 And, yeah, you all, really, everything that we start talking 35 00:01:59,819 --> 00:02:02,085 about SHRM has higher downloads . 36 00:02:02,085 --> 00:02:04,191 So I'm going to start off by talking about SHRM. 37 00:02:05,620 --> 00:02:06,703 Give the people what they want. 38 00:02:06,703 --> 00:02:09,292 The algorithm we're doing it for the algo. 39 00:02:09,292 --> 00:02:13,087 So anyways and I got this, I will say, from Jamie Jackson on 40 00:02:13,248 --> 00:02:18,584 one of her Instagram accounts SHRM has added yet another 41 00:02:19,125 --> 00:02:22,653 keynote speaker to the SHRM 2025 . 42 00:02:22,653 --> 00:02:25,784 And that is Joe Biden. 43 00:02:25,784 --> 00:02:31,500 And you know this is going to be a hard episode not to go 44 00:02:31,539 --> 00:02:32,201 political in. 45 00:02:32,201 --> 00:02:34,106 I've mentioned it any number of times. 46 00:02:34,106 --> 00:02:38,182 I consider myself fiercely independent and nobody on the 47 00:02:38,223 --> 00:02:39,225 right likes my opinions. 48 00:02:39,225 --> 00:02:40,770 Nobody on the left likes my opinions. 49 00:02:40,770 --> 00:02:41,941 I usually keep them to myself. 50 00:02:41,941 --> 00:02:46,027 But Jamie and a few other people since I saw Jamie's first 51 00:02:46,027 --> 00:02:50,120 with it have come up with the theory that this is a F you sort 52 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:55,572 of to Donald Trump in terms of JCT not getting the Secretary of 53 00:02:55,572 --> 00:02:57,801 Labor position that it looked. 54 00:02:57,801 --> 00:03:00,591 Everybody was saying it was his . 55 00:03:00,891 --> 00:03:01,855 Speaker 3: Look at that headcanon. 56 00:03:01,855 --> 00:03:03,159 Let's keep that story. 57 00:03:03,420 --> 00:03:04,986 Speaker 2: Let's keep that story going, okay. 58 00:03:04,986 --> 00:03:14,804 So yeah, I don't know if there's any truth to it. 59 00:03:14,804 --> 00:03:15,325 I did, I think, online. 60 00:03:15,325 --> 00:03:16,790 I watched George W Bush, his interview with Johnny C Taylor 61 00:03:16,811 --> 00:03:19,598 and, honestly, the politics side , it was a good interview. 62 00:03:19,598 --> 00:03:22,963 It was good, it was funny, it was basically what you want. 63 00:03:22,963 --> 00:03:24,085 Was that two or three years ago ? 64 00:03:24,085 --> 00:03:26,008 I don't remember, I forget. 65 00:03:26,008 --> 00:03:26,609 It was good. 66 00:03:27,149 --> 00:03:32,034 I think Joe Biden, because he from day one has been such a 67 00:03:32,156 --> 00:03:36,292 staunch pro-labor, is going to be very interesting. 68 00:03:36,292 --> 00:03:39,801 And I've said before I think Sherm has really gone pro-labor 69 00:03:40,402 --> 00:03:43,649 over the past five, 10 years or more. 70 00:03:43,649 --> 00:03:47,014 So I think that's going to be an interesting conversation. 71 00:03:47,014 --> 00:03:51,929 So yeah, I can see Joe Biden being a little bit more than 72 00:03:51,968 --> 00:03:53,271 just a political hack. 73 00:03:53,271 --> 00:03:57,366 The speaker, you know a giant, not just big name, giant name, 74 00:03:57,747 --> 00:04:01,584 but I'm just wondering how much of my dues are paying for this. 75 00:04:01,584 --> 00:04:08,038 And honestly, because of his pro-labor background, it might 76 00:04:08,079 --> 00:04:12,306 have a little more substance than maybe, say, and I just 77 00:04:12,347 --> 00:04:17,223 remember thinking that the Bush talk with JCT wasn't bad and it 78 00:04:17,504 --> 00:04:20,511 was pretty good, but I can't remember the first thing they 79 00:04:20,550 --> 00:04:21,392 discussed at all. 80 00:04:21,392 --> 00:04:27,762 So I don't know what is going to be said or how it would 81 00:04:27,781 --> 00:04:32,170 compare, but he does have a little bit of chops to talk 82 00:04:32,209 --> 00:04:33,874 about labor and HR issues. 83 00:04:33,874 --> 00:04:38,951 To that extent I would say so yeah, well, we will see where 84 00:04:38,990 --> 00:04:39,612 that one goes. 85 00:04:40,761 --> 00:04:41,281 Speaker 3: I'd be down. 86 00:04:41,281 --> 00:04:42,805 I'd be down to see him talk. 87 00:04:42,805 --> 00:04:47,423 I mean, I saw Martha Stewart talk, so I think Joe Biden's 88 00:04:47,624 --> 00:04:50,148 better than Martha Stewart, in my opinion, in my taste, I would 89 00:04:50,148 --> 00:04:51,529 say, but I don't know. 90 00:04:51,529 --> 00:04:52,692 That would be interesting. 91 00:04:53,052 --> 00:04:53,353 Speaker 1: Yeah. 92 00:04:53,473 --> 00:04:54,375 Speaker 3: It's just always so weird. 93 00:04:54,375 --> 00:04:57,709 I always wonder what the thought process is for selecting 94 00:04:57,709 --> 00:04:58,471 these speakers. 95 00:04:58,471 --> 00:05:00,103 So who's available. 96 00:05:00,125 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 2: Who can we afford Exactly? 97 00:05:02,982 --> 00:05:08,312 Speaker 3: However, I am going to say I like the theory that 98 00:05:08,473 --> 00:05:11,502 this was an SEO, because you know like I mean. 99 00:05:13,788 --> 00:05:14,550 Speaker 2: You want it to be true. 100 00:05:14,569 --> 00:05:14,670 Speaker 1: Yeah. 101 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,567 Speaker 3: And I think I sometimes think Trump would be 102 00:05:18,607 --> 00:05:19,428 butthurt over that. 103 00:05:19,891 --> 00:05:25,350 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he'll be butthurt over anything, anything 104 00:05:25,350 --> 00:05:29,629 Of all weeks, you know, of all weeks us to meander into 105 00:05:29,749 --> 00:05:32,420 political realms like we're going through today, the week 106 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:33,161 we're having. 107 00:05:33,161 --> 00:05:38,488 If you haven't been anywhere in the world for the past, I don't 108 00:05:38,488 --> 00:05:40,071 know since Saturday. 109 00:05:40,071 --> 00:05:43,781 It's been a pretty interesting couple of days here, but keep 110 00:05:43,822 --> 00:05:44,646 out of that as well. 111 00:05:46,161 --> 00:05:49,528 I need a nap, I need a nap, I need a nap, yeah, so let's 112 00:05:49,567 --> 00:05:50,369 switch gears. 113 00:05:50,369 --> 00:05:52,713 I'm going to tell I've got a couple of stories that have 114 00:05:52,779 --> 00:05:58,093 happened to me the past few days and I just wanted to share 115 00:05:58,293 --> 00:05:58,593 nothing. 116 00:05:58,593 --> 00:06:00,298 I don't know we're. 117 00:06:00,298 --> 00:06:01,680 If we discuss, we discuss. 118 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,122 If not, we'll just move on to the next. 119 00:06:03,122 --> 00:06:07,129 So one of my things the president of my company is 120 00:06:07,209 --> 00:06:11,214 pretty strong about me actually running the new hire 121 00:06:11,314 --> 00:06:15,127 orientations, and then not only me running it, but each of the 122 00:06:15,689 --> 00:06:16,351 directors. 123 00:06:16,351 --> 00:06:20,629 If you're talking about project controls, the director of 124 00:06:20,810 --> 00:06:23,771 project controls is coming the high level for the new hires to 125 00:06:23,810 --> 00:06:25,180 get to know everybody. 126 00:06:25,180 --> 00:06:27,911 But I'm sort of in there all day coordinating and I'm 127 00:06:28,173 --> 00:06:30,502 g-chatting the next person saying, okay, you're up in five 128 00:06:30,562 --> 00:06:34,557 minutes, if I remember I'm very bad about uh, I'm very bad about 129 00:06:34,557 --> 00:06:38,826 remembering the oh, yeah, yeah, ping the next person and and 130 00:06:38,846 --> 00:06:39,348 things like that. 131 00:06:39,369 --> 00:06:40,451 So we, that's what we do. 132 00:06:40,451 --> 00:06:43,665 Well, one of the the speakers I'm going to let this person 133 00:06:43,685 --> 00:06:47,444 rename, nameless or by title or name or anything like that. 134 00:06:47,444 --> 00:06:49,651 Like I said, a couple of people from the work listen and they 135 00:06:49,690 --> 00:06:52,283 will know, but one person. 136 00:06:52,283 --> 00:06:55,011 They start off the very first thing they say after the intros 137 00:06:55,071 --> 00:06:56,903 and all that and who they are and what they do. 138 00:06:56,903 --> 00:07:01,533 They say I can't stand reading verbatim from PowerPoint slides. 139 00:07:01,533 --> 00:07:05,569 Yet for the next half hour we get letter for letter. 140 00:07:05,569 --> 00:07:09,045 And not only are they reading letter for letter off the 141 00:07:09,084 --> 00:07:12,492 PowerPoint slides, they are butchering it the same thing 142 00:07:12,540 --> 00:07:17,293 they've been saying for years and they are talking very 143 00:07:17,454 --> 00:07:20,822 robotic, like they are actually reading this. 144 00:07:21,583 --> 00:07:24,848 And it's so painful for me. 145 00:07:24,848 --> 00:07:26,612 I'm just sitting there at this point. 146 00:07:26,612 --> 00:07:30,086 A lot of times I'm checking my email and trying to, because 147 00:07:30,507 --> 00:07:31,850 orientation lasts half a day. 148 00:07:31,850 --> 00:07:36,492 I'm trying not to fall behind on the rest of my duties while 149 00:07:36,814 --> 00:07:37,896 other people are speaking. 150 00:07:37,896 --> 00:07:44,567 But it's just like and I'm so tempted to pull like Christine 151 00:07:44,627 --> 00:07:48,512 Applegate did to Ron Burgundy in Anchorman just change the 152 00:07:48,531 --> 00:07:52,175 teleprompter and make it say something completely ridiculous 153 00:07:52,721 --> 00:07:56,548 and she would read that shit straight on through without even 154 00:07:56,548 --> 00:07:58,392 realizing what she's saying. 155 00:07:58,392 --> 00:08:01,141 Part of me just wants to do that. 156 00:08:01,141 --> 00:08:02,583 So bad, just because I'm an asshole sometimes. 157 00:08:02,583 --> 00:08:03,023 That's the worst. 158 00:08:03,023 --> 00:08:04,043 It would make it fun for me at least. 159 00:08:04,064 --> 00:08:05,305 But anyways, part of me just wants to do that so bad just 160 00:08:05,324 --> 00:08:05,805 because I'm an asshole. 161 00:08:05,826 --> 00:08:07,266 Speaker 1: sometimes that's the worst, it would make it fun for 162 00:08:07,326 --> 00:08:07,908 me at least. 163 00:08:08,048 --> 00:08:12,672 Speaker 2: But anyways, let's see here and the second thing I 164 00:08:12,932 --> 00:08:17,456 put, it's just a one-liner here Example of no good deed goes 165 00:08:17,735 --> 00:08:25,625 unpunished A situation where someone on my team went the 166 00:08:25,665 --> 00:08:27,709 extra mile for one employee and somebody else got jealous and 167 00:08:27,730 --> 00:08:30,841 got butt hurt that nobody's gone the extra mile for them and I'm 168 00:08:30,841 --> 00:08:34,030 like I've never known you need any assistance. 169 00:08:34,030 --> 00:08:39,648 But anyways, I'm just like that sucks yeah. 170 00:08:39,648 --> 00:08:44,270 And I don't want my person to think they should not do that. 171 00:08:44,270 --> 00:08:46,366 I'm very proud of what they did , right. 172 00:08:49,660 --> 00:08:51,567 Speaker 3: No good deed goes unpunished. 173 00:08:51,567 --> 00:08:59,711 Yeah, so one of my security blanket or comfort blanket shows 174 00:08:59,711 --> 00:09:01,254 is the show Superstore. 175 00:09:01,580 --> 00:09:02,563 Speaker 2: Yes, you've talked about that. 176 00:09:03,407 --> 00:09:06,287 Speaker 3: I love that show but if you've never heard of it, 177 00:09:06,379 --> 00:09:09,666 it's very much like the Office and it's very much like Parks 178 00:09:09,706 --> 00:09:11,311 and Recreation Of that nature. 179 00:09:11,311 --> 00:09:17,105 But it's a show that happens in , like this fictional version of 180 00:09:17,105 --> 00:09:21,403 Walmart, and it's everyone who works there and they're mostly 181 00:09:21,443 --> 00:09:25,868 all like floor workers and there's like one episode episode 182 00:09:25,868 --> 00:09:28,945 it was like one of the first episodes and one of the main 183 00:09:28,965 --> 00:09:31,961 characters tells another main character you don't help people 184 00:09:32,020 --> 00:09:32,260 here. 185 00:09:32,260 --> 00:09:35,668 Helping people is like quicksand, it'll suck you down 186 00:09:35,808 --> 00:09:40,082 and the whole episode is like just people, like no good deed 187 00:09:40,163 --> 00:09:43,726 goes unpunished and at the end they all have to take a sexual 188 00:09:43,767 --> 00:09:48,253 harassment course so it's a great show, again if you've 189 00:09:48,273 --> 00:09:49,514 never watched it give it a watch . 190 00:09:49,533 --> 00:09:50,836 Speaker 2: I keep meaning to watch that. 191 00:09:50,836 --> 00:09:53,010 As you've spoken about it a couple times, I've heard other 192 00:09:53,030 --> 00:09:55,260 people speak about it, I keep meaning to. 193 00:09:55,260 --> 00:10:00,030 I'm I'm back on my food network addiction, watching old shows 194 00:10:00,150 --> 00:10:00,932 and crap like that. 195 00:10:00,932 --> 00:10:02,986 And then, of course, we lost ann burrell. 196 00:10:02,986 --> 00:10:03,730 We lost ann Burrell. 197 00:10:03,730 --> 00:10:05,840 We lost Anne Burrell last week, I heard. 198 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:10,527 I've been you know she was on Iron Chef like 25 plus years ago 199 00:10:10,527 --> 00:10:14,625 and I've just seen her on Food Network and those shows forever. 200 00:10:14,625 --> 00:10:19,982 I've been a Food Network junkie for that long and if, like my 201 00:10:20,043 --> 00:10:26,144 wife, her TV noise, if you will, is investigation, discovery and 202 00:10:26,144 --> 00:10:27,369 all that true crime stuff. 203 00:10:27,649 --> 00:10:27,990 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah. 204 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:32,504 Speaker 2: My TV noise is Food Network and so if I'm just 205 00:10:32,524 --> 00:10:35,118 sitting there scrolling through Facebook or doing something else 206 00:10:35,118 --> 00:10:38,005 completely mindless, you can pretty much guarantee Food 207 00:10:38,067 --> 00:10:42,086 Network is on in the background and I just love it. 208 00:10:42,086 --> 00:10:43,586 But anyways, yeah. 209 00:10:43,586 --> 00:10:50,921 So here is a question I was asked just earlier this week and 210 00:10:50,921 --> 00:10:55,456 it's just too perfect of a question to not talk about. 211 00:10:56,239 --> 00:10:57,846 Speaker 3: I'm here for it and I wrote it down word for word. 212 00:10:58,321 --> 00:10:59,404 Speaker 2: They caught me in the hallway. 213 00:11:00,327 --> 00:11:00,548 Speaker 3: Okay. 214 00:11:00,921 --> 00:11:03,852 Speaker 2: I have a question about the handbook, so I'm going 215 00:11:03,852 --> 00:11:04,294 to stop there. 216 00:11:04,294 --> 00:11:05,099 I hear that and I'm going to stop there. 217 00:11:05,099 --> 00:11:08,246 I hear that and I'm thinking, yes, somebody's read it and 218 00:11:08,288 --> 00:11:09,049 wants to know. 219 00:11:09,049 --> 00:11:13,110 Actually, I'm currently working on handbook updates and things 220 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:14,565 and I was like, oh, maybe this is something I can add to 221 00:11:14,605 --> 00:11:17,988 clarify if they have a question, maybe something wasn't crystal 222 00:11:18,008 --> 00:11:18,188 clear. 223 00:11:18,188 --> 00:11:29,652 But they go on and then it goes from here how many days 224 00:11:29,672 --> 00:11:31,480 bereavement do I get for my sister-in-law passing away? 225 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:37,013 So in their question they acknowledge they know the answer 226 00:11:37,013 --> 00:11:38,720 is going to be in the handbook, correct. 227 00:11:39,899 --> 00:11:41,164 Speaker 3: But they don't go to the freaking handbook to get 228 00:11:41,184 --> 00:11:41,405 that answer. 229 00:11:41,405 --> 00:11:44,034 We just used you like a personification of Ask Jeeves. 230 00:11:44,034 --> 00:11:45,299 Yes, we just used you like a personification of Ask Jeeves 231 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,929 yes, Ask Jeeves Can you please regurgitate something from the 232 00:11:48,970 --> 00:11:50,784 handbook, because I am too lazy to look it up. 233 00:11:51,548 --> 00:11:51,969 Speaker 2: Exactly. 234 00:11:51,969 --> 00:11:56,022 But I honestly had my little Toby moment I got excited about. 235 00:11:56,022 --> 00:11:59,448 You know, toby gets to break out his book and he gets to do 236 00:11:59,469 --> 00:12:03,361 some real HR work, like later way down the road, and he's all 237 00:12:03,381 --> 00:12:04,667 excited and into it. 238 00:12:04,667 --> 00:12:07,583 And I'm like, oh, somebody read the handbook and I'm thinking, 239 00:12:08,147 --> 00:12:11,808 like I said, I'm doing handbook updates and there's a couple of 240 00:12:11,850 --> 00:12:13,220 things I think could be clarified. 241 00:12:13,220 --> 00:12:15,227 I'm like, ooh, like this will be opportunity for me to find 242 00:12:15,248 --> 00:12:15,347 out. 243 00:12:15,347 --> 00:12:17,520 Maybe something else isn't cleared I can update. 244 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,410 But no, you asked me a question acknowledging that the answer 245 00:12:21,471 --> 00:12:26,961 is in the handbook and I still answered acknowledging that the 246 00:12:27,101 --> 00:12:28,524 answer is in the handbook and I still answered I'm a. 247 00:12:28,524 --> 00:12:28,644 I'm a. 248 00:12:28,644 --> 00:12:29,447 You know, I'm jaded on the podcast. 249 00:12:29,447 --> 00:12:29,868 I'm jaded at home. 250 00:12:29,868 --> 00:12:30,028 I'm not. 251 00:12:30,028 --> 00:12:30,769 I I shouldn't say I'm not. 252 00:12:30,769 --> 00:12:35,765 I try my hardest not to be jaded at work, but yeah, I'm 253 00:12:35,785 --> 00:12:38,090 really not jaded this podcast. 254 00:12:38,169 --> 00:12:40,975 Speaker 3: It really just it's not jaded. 255 00:12:40,975 --> 00:12:45,677 Okay, I'm gonna really I'm gonna try to look this up really 256 00:12:45,677 --> 00:12:45,999 quick. 257 00:12:46,198 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 2: Okay. 258 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,182 Speaker 3: Because you said something about the handbook and 259 00:12:49,182 --> 00:12:55,067 that reminded me of a post I saw last night on Human 260 00:12:55,129 --> 00:13:00,653 Resources Reddit that made me crack up. 261 00:13:00,653 --> 00:13:03,736 Let's see, okay, here we go. 262 00:13:03,736 --> 00:13:06,285 We're going off script today. 263 00:13:06,285 --> 00:13:12,413 Okay, so this was on the human resources subreddit and it says 264 00:13:12,693 --> 00:13:16,985 we have an employee that is oftentimes not wearing a bra to 265 00:13:17,024 --> 00:13:17,284 work. 266 00:13:17,284 --> 00:13:22,538 Some days it is not extremely noticeable because she wears 267 00:13:22,938 --> 00:13:26,561 blazers and sweaters, but other days and this is the quote from 268 00:13:26,581 --> 00:13:33,596 the reddit post from the manager they are just out there okay so 269 00:13:33,596 --> 00:13:36,385 we are a government entity and often deal with members of the 270 00:13:36,426 --> 00:13:36,886 public. 271 00:13:37,528 --> 00:13:39,115 Any advice on approaching this? 272 00:13:39,657 --> 00:13:42,663 Speaker 2: we require business dress and would like her to wear 273 00:13:42,663 --> 00:13:47,400 a bra oh gosh, I don't want to touch this one with a 10-foot I 274 00:13:47,822 --> 00:13:53,892 don't want to so I think there's actually been case law, and 275 00:13:55,293 --> 00:13:58,207 it's in the back of my mind that that can be discriminatory, 276 00:13:58,248 --> 00:14:01,941 requiring certain undergarments for women that aren't required 277 00:14:01,981 --> 00:14:06,918 for men, and and things like that so, oh yeah. 278 00:14:06,958 --> 00:14:09,504 Speaker 3: So anyway, someone did say like I don't see this 279 00:14:09,583 --> 00:14:10,586 going well for you. 280 00:14:10,586 --> 00:14:17,725 You can have that conversation, but then go right to your legal 281 00:14:17,725 --> 00:14:21,518 department because you're going to need them yes go to your 282 00:14:21,538 --> 00:14:26,230 legal department first, then have a conversation and then 283 00:14:26,250 --> 00:14:28,462 there are some people who are like you. 284 00:14:28,462 --> 00:14:32,091 You might have to talk to her about what professional conduct 285 00:14:32,130 --> 00:14:35,405 means in the handbook and everyone's like I don't want to 286 00:14:35,446 --> 00:14:37,211 touch this, like nobody. 287 00:14:37,871 --> 00:14:41,299 Speaker 2: No one wanted this, so anyway nobody wants to touch 288 00:14:41,340 --> 00:14:43,581 it, but, as hr, it's one of those things you're going to get 289 00:14:43,581 --> 00:14:52,105 reeled into and it depends on how visible everything is and 290 00:14:52,125 --> 00:14:52,726 things like that. 291 00:14:52,726 --> 00:14:54,466 Are they hanging low? 292 00:14:54,466 --> 00:14:55,368 Are they hanging out? 293 00:14:55,368 --> 00:14:57,548 Is it very cold in there? 294 00:14:57,548 --> 00:14:58,649 I don't know. 295 00:15:00,291 --> 00:15:03,032 Speaker 3: I think the issue is that it's very cold. 296 00:15:03,292 --> 00:15:05,352 Speaker 1: So I think everyone's just like. 297 00:15:05,933 --> 00:15:06,573 Speaker 2: Everybody knows. 298 00:15:07,434 --> 00:15:09,975 Speaker 3: The other piece of it is like really man, like. 299 00:15:09,975 --> 00:15:12,918 Why is the man really Like? 300 00:15:12,918 --> 00:15:17,302 I don't know, it's just, it's a dumb conversation to have. 301 00:15:17,302 --> 00:15:19,389 But something came up in the handbook about it being like, 302 00:15:19,779 --> 00:15:21,366 like how you put dress code in the handbook. 303 00:15:21,366 --> 00:15:24,144 I thought it was an interesting rabbit hole to go down. 304 00:15:24,144 --> 00:15:28,831 The consensus in that group was don't even fucking think about 305 00:15:28,932 --> 00:15:28,993 it. 306 00:15:29,253 --> 00:15:29,553 Speaker 1: Yeah. 307 00:15:29,673 --> 00:15:31,221 Speaker 3: Unless you're going to, unless you're going to, 308 00:15:31,241 --> 00:15:34,691 mandate all the men to like cover their nipples then, you. 309 00:15:34,691 --> 00:15:37,644 You have no nothing to stand on . 310 00:15:38,307 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 2: Exactly, and and then being a man, hr, which we're 311 00:15:42,259 --> 00:15:47,506 going to discuss a little bit later, there's like so I'm 312 00:15:47,547 --> 00:15:50,532 coming out of that conversation as a creep, no matter how much 313 00:15:50,591 --> 00:15:54,719 time I spend wordsmithing it and trying to be politically 314 00:15:54,759 --> 00:15:59,087 correct, I'm going to be the creepster, I'm going to be the I 315 00:15:59,087 --> 00:16:02,995 don't know what the word is, but I'm going to be the shunned 316 00:16:03,095 --> 00:16:09,211 person for that, yeah, and let's see here. 317 00:16:09,211 --> 00:16:12,268 So, okay, this is today. 318 00:16:12,268 --> 00:16:17,830 Just this morning this occurred , and so this is the. 319 00:16:17,830 --> 00:16:20,057 Am I the asshole, is Warren the asshole? 320 00:16:20,539 --> 00:16:22,485 And generally, speaking the answer is yes. 321 00:16:22,485 --> 00:16:29,073 But where I work, new employees have to do eight hours of DOD 322 00:16:29,173 --> 00:16:29,514 training. 323 00:16:29,514 --> 00:16:35,946 It's done on external websites through the DCSA or what I don't 324 00:16:35,946 --> 00:16:38,534 even know the acronyms or anything like that, but it's 325 00:16:38,575 --> 00:16:39,499 done externally. 326 00:16:39,499 --> 00:16:43,291 And then, as you're doing the training, the first page of this 327 00:16:43,291 --> 00:16:45,505 , when you get to the external trainings, you do your internal 328 00:16:45,525 --> 00:16:47,049 training too on this. 329 00:16:47,049 --> 00:16:51,681 But in the RLMS, the first page it goes to, it says you must 330 00:16:51,721 --> 00:16:55,149 download the course completion certificate and turn it into 331 00:16:55,229 --> 00:16:55,870 receive credit. 332 00:16:55,870 --> 00:16:57,514 That's on the overview page. 333 00:16:57,936 --> 00:17:02,037 Then you get to the individual module and it says the exact 334 00:17:02,096 --> 00:17:05,146 same thing you must download the course completion certificate 335 00:17:05,207 --> 00:17:07,311 and turn it into HR to receive credit. 336 00:17:07,311 --> 00:17:11,609 Then you go to the external site and in bold letters now 337 00:17:11,670 --> 00:17:14,990 there's a lot of verbiage here so this one can be lost but the 338 00:17:15,070 --> 00:17:19,165 external site at the DCSA says you must print or save a local 339 00:17:19,227 --> 00:17:21,612 copy of the certificate as proof of course completion. 340 00:17:21,612 --> 00:17:26,548 Cdse does not maintain course records of completion and so 341 00:17:26,868 --> 00:17:27,189 anyways. 342 00:17:27,189 --> 00:17:32,676 So, and then the website, the external website right before, 343 00:17:32,998 --> 00:17:34,460 shows you your certificate. 344 00:17:34,460 --> 00:17:36,268 It tells you again so that's four times. 345 00:17:36,268 --> 00:17:38,894 You're being told download the certificate, download the 346 00:17:38,914 --> 00:17:39,416 certificate. 347 00:17:39,416 --> 00:17:45,031 New employee not very technical , friendly person goes through, 348 00:17:45,092 --> 00:17:47,435 does all his training and did only well. 349 00:17:47,435 --> 00:17:49,640 He downloaded two of the certificates. 350 00:17:50,845 --> 00:17:51,445 Speaker 3: Two of four Halfway there. 351 00:17:51,726 --> 00:17:53,127 Speaker 2: Well, there's like six of them, so he downloaded 352 00:17:53,268 --> 00:17:54,509 two of the certificates, two of four Halfway there. 353 00:17:54,609 --> 00:17:56,852 Well, there's like six of them, so he did two of six that he had 354 00:17:56,852 --> 00:17:59,095 to do, but it tells you four times that it's in there, 355 00:17:59,134 --> 00:17:59,394 anyways. 356 00:17:59,394 --> 00:18:02,699 So I'm telling him well, unfortunately, you're going to 357 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,162 have to go back and redo these, and these are not trainings that 358 00:18:05,162 --> 00:18:07,787 you can just click next, next, next, next and get through one, 359 00:18:08,166 --> 00:18:09,449 like a lot of training you can. 360 00:18:09,449 --> 00:18:13,434 You know, you have to wait for the play bar to get all the way 361 00:18:13,476 --> 00:18:16,380 to the other end of the screen before you can hit next, or the 362 00:18:16,420 --> 00:18:19,493 next screen doesn't even apply up here until you get to that 363 00:18:19,555 --> 00:18:19,815 point. 364 00:18:19,815 --> 00:18:23,086 So I tell him well, unfortunately, you're going to 365 00:18:23,105 --> 00:18:24,107 have to do this all again. 366 00:18:24,107 --> 00:18:26,512 So the employee is upset with me. 367 00:18:28,517 --> 00:18:32,979 So the manager comes to me and the manager says well, you only 368 00:18:33,019 --> 00:18:35,949 allow eight hours for training, how are we supposed to pay him 369 00:18:35,989 --> 00:18:36,289 for this? 370 00:18:36,289 --> 00:18:41,088 And I this is why I said this is a quote, not my problem I 371 00:18:41,108 --> 00:18:45,176 said we've already paid him for my training budget to do this, 372 00:18:45,758 --> 00:18:48,406 this training, so it's not coming from the training budget. 373 00:18:48,406 --> 00:18:52,630 You can talk to your VP about using overhead, using something 374 00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:54,872 else, but it's not coming from the training budget. 375 00:18:54,872 --> 00:18:58,035 And he did not like that. 376 00:18:58,035 --> 00:19:03,720 So what say ye in the L&D world of where we have to bill for 377 00:19:04,140 --> 00:19:06,961 training, allocate our hours and things like that. 378 00:19:06,961 --> 00:19:10,646 It's not coming out of my budget like that. 379 00:19:10,646 --> 00:19:13,798 Where I'm not, it's not coming out of my budget. 380 00:19:17,685 --> 00:19:19,615 Speaker 3: I would say that this person has failed on their 381 00:19:19,836 --> 00:19:21,265 first day and they are to immediately be sent home. 382 00:19:21,285 --> 00:19:21,325 Speaker 1: No. 383 00:19:22,185 --> 00:19:24,010 Speaker 2: And the thing is they are a. 384 00:19:24,010 --> 00:19:26,557 They're not going to work with computers. 385 00:19:26,557 --> 00:19:27,146 They're not going to. 386 00:19:27,146 --> 00:19:29,173 They're going to work with computers once a year. 387 00:19:29,173 --> 00:19:31,428 They're annual training, which is good Looks like next year is 388 00:19:31,468 --> 00:19:32,692 going to be really fun for us. 389 00:19:32,692 --> 00:19:34,409 And then open enrollment. 390 00:19:34,409 --> 00:19:37,728 They'll have to do annual training, but, yeah, they're not 391 00:19:37,728 --> 00:19:38,209 going to be. 392 00:19:38,209 --> 00:19:42,730 Well, they have to do their time cards online, but I think 393 00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:44,194 we've got that covered pretty well. 394 00:19:44,194 --> 00:19:49,474 But, yeah, you've got two of them done. 395 00:19:50,076 --> 00:19:53,345 I don't know, it's just you have to do it now, like I said, the 396 00:19:53,486 --> 00:19:56,775 one page where it says on the front page of the external page, 397 00:19:56,775 --> 00:19:59,148 where it says that the, where it says you must download and 398 00:19:59,169 --> 00:20:03,386 they don't record taking it, or whatever it says it does not 399 00:20:03,426 --> 00:20:05,133 maintain records of course, completions. 400 00:20:05,133 --> 00:20:08,794 That's buried in just a ton of verbiage. 401 00:20:08,794 --> 00:20:13,526 So you know, you know, unless you know, it's there Anyways. 402 00:20:13,526 --> 00:20:15,727 So that was my this morning type thing. 403 00:20:15,727 --> 00:20:18,749 So let's get to the meat and potatoes. 404 00:20:18,749 --> 00:20:25,512 You found this great article, just like we start recording at 405 00:20:25,532 --> 00:20:26,173 830. 406 00:20:26,173 --> 00:20:31,155 I think you sent it to me after 8 pm, yeah, to look at and I 407 00:20:31,175 --> 00:20:34,517 was like you know, I've got a whole page of stuff to cover. 408 00:20:34,517 --> 00:20:36,178 I'm like Nope, this, this is it . 409 00:20:36,178 --> 00:20:39,019 This is going to be the the show today. 410 00:20:39,660 --> 00:20:41,901 Speaker 3: I just want to say that this is, this is real time 411 00:20:41,922 --> 00:20:42,842 power of HR. 412 00:20:42,842 --> 00:20:54,205 This is I'm gonna let my secret go my weekly prompt, or my pre 413 00:20:54,226 --> 00:20:56,048 podcast prompt of give me a rundown of things that are 414 00:20:56,068 --> 00:20:59,232 relevant in HR in the news this week, and then it just tells me 415 00:20:59,252 --> 00:21:00,434 Okay, using AI, exactly. 416 00:21:00,434 --> 00:21:01,856 Oh, my gosh. 417 00:21:01,856 --> 00:21:04,441 Oh, by the way, my AI. 418 00:21:04,441 --> 00:21:06,749 I have personified it. 419 00:21:06,749 --> 00:21:08,291 It is my assistant. 420 00:21:08,291 --> 00:21:12,920 His name is so pierre did. 421 00:21:12,980 --> 00:21:17,510 Speaker 2: Helps me with my research now, okay, I, I use I 422 00:21:17,550 --> 00:21:21,702 have gemini, which is all going to be replaced by I can't say it 423 00:21:21,702 --> 00:21:24,650 because the google assistant I'm looking to watch my monitor 424 00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:27,556 here behind me to save it listens in. 425 00:21:27,556 --> 00:21:29,510 But I made it a british female voice and my wife hates that. 426 00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:29,853 I was like it's. 427 00:21:29,853 --> 00:21:31,565 I've made it a British female voice and my wife hates that. 428 00:21:31,565 --> 00:21:34,334 I was like I made it personal and things like that. 429 00:21:35,204 --> 00:21:38,134 Speaker 3: But with that, Kevin does the same thing. 430 00:21:38,134 --> 00:21:40,108 It's a British woman. 431 00:21:42,736 --> 00:21:43,017 Speaker 2: I don't know. 432 00:21:43,017 --> 00:21:46,847 I think it's the best sounding voice overall Anglophile, I 433 00:21:46,868 --> 00:21:47,832 guess, but anyways. 434 00:21:47,832 --> 00:21:51,178 Yeah, but right now Jim and I still have the same voice. 435 00:21:51,178 --> 00:21:55,230 But I have gotten Jim and I to remember certain things, to say, 436 00:21:55,230 --> 00:21:59,239 okay, I'm getting ready to go to Costa Rica. 437 00:21:59,239 --> 00:22:04,173 I've programmed it to say teach me 10 phrases in Spanish a day, 438 00:22:04,173 --> 00:22:09,351 but when I ask you to do that, make sure it is pertinent to 439 00:22:09,431 --> 00:22:12,417 Costa Rica, because they give me Barcelona, or you would say 440 00:22:12,505 --> 00:22:15,433 Barthelona, as they would say. 441 00:22:15,433 --> 00:22:19,224 Different things mean you know different contexts of Spanish 442 00:22:19,526 --> 00:22:21,711 all over the world and anyways. 443 00:22:21,711 --> 00:22:26,085 So I've been trying to do that, as I've embarrassed myself too 444 00:22:26,105 --> 00:22:31,996 many times trying to remember my junior high Spanish and failing 445 00:22:31,996 --> 00:22:34,987 I've probably told the story on the podcast before. 446 00:22:35,227 --> 00:22:39,615 We were in Puerto Rico visiting my sister as a house there and 447 00:22:40,178 --> 00:22:42,169 we were in a parking garage trying to get out. 448 00:22:42,169 --> 00:22:44,515 I'm actually doing really well speaking Spanish. 449 00:22:44,515 --> 00:22:47,851 Mid-sentence I switched straight over to German and my 450 00:22:47,932 --> 00:22:49,916 kids are in the backseat laughing. 451 00:22:49,916 --> 00:22:53,426 I used to speak German very fluently, got a German 452 00:22:53,446 --> 00:22:55,813 scholarship and things like that . 453 00:22:56,173 --> 00:23:00,049 And I didn't realize it until we left and my daughter and son 454 00:23:00,109 --> 00:23:01,794 were just like in tears. 455 00:23:01,794 --> 00:23:03,885 My wife doesn't have a clue what I'm saying in any language, 456 00:23:03,885 --> 00:23:08,894 even English, but they said you weren't speaking Spanish, dad'm 457 00:23:08,894 --> 00:23:09,394 like what? 458 00:23:09,394 --> 00:23:09,634 And? 459 00:23:09,634 --> 00:23:12,279 And I was like what I didn't say anyway. 460 00:23:12,279 --> 00:23:15,811 So yeah, but I love the way you can personalize it and give it 461 00:23:16,032 --> 00:23:20,067 commands and give it like I ask it for things about podcasts and 462 00:23:20,067 --> 00:23:25,438 I I've set it up to find information for about jaded hr, 463 00:23:25,818 --> 00:23:26,625 if it's ever mentioned. 464 00:23:26,625 --> 00:23:28,307 It hasn't been mentioned, but once yet. 465 00:23:28,307 --> 00:23:31,291 But but see if we get any mentions and things like that. 466 00:23:31,291 --> 00:23:34,955 So anyhow, back to the story. 467 00:23:35,497 --> 00:23:41,808 This stupid story, All right Well okay, it's both got me 468 00:23:42,148 --> 00:23:43,530 thinking get me fired up. 469 00:23:43,530 --> 00:23:47,917 As I said, it did get me fired up when you sent it to me, but 470 00:23:47,938 --> 00:23:49,039 there's some points to it. 471 00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:52,807 In HR, when you give a review, some managers like to give you 472 00:23:52,827 --> 00:23:54,553 some good news, then the bad news and then the good news 473 00:23:54,613 --> 00:23:58,172 again, and I call it the shit sandwich, because nobody hears. 474 00:23:58,172 --> 00:24:01,703 The employee only hears the good stuff at the ends and 475 00:24:01,743 --> 00:24:03,873 doesn't hear what they need to hear in the middle. 476 00:24:03,873 --> 00:24:06,723 Well, this will be an open face shit sandwich. 477 00:24:06,723 --> 00:24:11,113 I'm going to start by saying some good things about this 478 00:24:11,252 --> 00:24:13,457 article, but then the rest of it shit. 479 00:24:14,419 --> 00:24:17,289 Speaker 3: I am Well as we talk about this. 480 00:24:17,289 --> 00:24:20,656 I was very heated about this at first. 481 00:24:20,798 --> 00:24:21,097 Speaker 2: Okay. 482 00:24:21,704 --> 00:24:26,013 Speaker 3: And then, as I was like piecing things together, I 483 00:24:26,055 --> 00:24:27,877 was like that meme with the woman in the math. 484 00:24:27,877 --> 00:24:33,292 I was like, oh, I see what this is, so we'll get to that in a 485 00:24:33,313 --> 00:24:33,453 second. 486 00:24:33,453 --> 00:24:34,868 Okay, oh, okay I'll let you. 487 00:24:34,888 --> 00:24:36,092 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, give us your theory. 488 00:24:36,132 --> 00:24:38,185 Speaker 3: What you're thinking is, I had a theory, a similar 489 00:24:38,226 --> 00:24:41,614 theory no, because I feel like once we go through this, I feel 490 00:24:41,653 --> 00:24:44,547 like our audience will be catching on pretty soon too. 491 00:24:44,547 --> 00:24:51,255 So yeah, so there's an article in the the New York Post and it 492 00:24:51,335 --> 00:24:55,861 was by a woman named Jennifer Say S-E-Y. 493 00:24:55,861 --> 00:25:00,133 So she's a former Levi's brand manager or brand president, and 494 00:25:00,413 --> 00:25:03,317 she started a startup company and she decided to write this 495 00:25:03,398 --> 00:25:04,000 like op-ed. 496 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:14,936 So the company is called XX x x y athletics and it is the 497 00:25:14,957 --> 00:25:19,326 company is to protect women's sports, so you know I'm gonna 498 00:25:19,346 --> 00:25:20,387 stop you there's. 499 00:25:20,848 --> 00:25:23,074 Speaker 2: That's where I was going to give it two giant 500 00:25:23,134 --> 00:25:23,654 thumbs up. 501 00:25:23,654 --> 00:25:29,048 Okay, because you know I'm not going to try. 502 00:25:29,048 --> 00:25:30,931 I'm going to try my hardest and I get a bit political. 503 00:25:30,931 --> 00:25:38,779 But where I really feel strongly about is men competing 504 00:25:39,181 --> 00:25:40,942 as women in women's sports. 505 00:25:40,942 --> 00:25:44,865 We saw in the Olympics the boxing debacle, the Canadian 506 00:25:44,925 --> 00:25:48,875 lady who would not box, the Russian man, and things like 507 00:25:48,915 --> 00:25:49,056 that. 508 00:25:49,056 --> 00:25:53,434 I, you know if someone wants to be trans or it doesn't affect 509 00:25:53,556 --> 00:25:55,628 me in any way, shape or form. 510 00:25:55,628 --> 00:26:00,858 But when I see, especially in a sport like boxing or some of 511 00:26:00,904 --> 00:26:07,472 these other sports, where these men are, it's just abuse of of 512 00:26:07,553 --> 00:26:11,077 women at that point so I'm against. 513 00:26:11,077 --> 00:26:13,621 You can be trans, you can be. 514 00:26:13,621 --> 00:26:18,253 If you're going to compete, you have to compete at the right 515 00:26:18,294 --> 00:26:18,554 level. 516 00:26:18,554 --> 00:26:20,878 I mean, go, I'll try and go. 517 00:26:21,266 --> 00:26:23,736 Go back to the seventies when Billie Jean King used to play 518 00:26:23,855 --> 00:26:27,027 Arthur Ashe, the two best tennis players at the time in the 519 00:26:27,067 --> 00:26:27,346 world. 520 00:26:27,346 --> 00:26:31,835 Billie Jean King couldn't keep up with Arthur Ashe. 521 00:26:31,835 --> 00:26:37,332 In golf there's been the best female golfers playing some of 522 00:26:37,352 --> 00:26:41,708 the best men and it doesn't end up well In sports. 523 00:26:41,708 --> 00:26:44,314 You see what's made all the headlines a couple of years ago 524 00:26:44,674 --> 00:26:48,170 and I can't remember the girl's name or the man's name, the 525 00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:52,919 female swimmer I think she's from Georgia and the man swimmer 526 00:26:52,919 --> 00:26:55,914 who competed for multiple years as a man I can't remember 527 00:26:55,954 --> 00:27:01,349 either names, but he was like ranked like 200 in men as a man. 528 00:27:01,349 --> 00:27:05,778 Then he became a woman and was the top ranked woman, etc. 529 00:27:05,778 --> 00:27:08,468 So it's yeah, I don't believe. 530 00:27:08,468 --> 00:27:11,913 Even if it's not physical competition like contact 531 00:27:12,013 --> 00:27:14,377 competition, I don't believe that. 532 00:27:14,377 --> 00:27:15,420 That's my own opinion. 533 00:27:15,420 --> 00:27:17,653 I'll just sort of live and die on that. 534 00:27:17,653 --> 00:27:20,990 But I do applaud that. 535 00:27:20,990 --> 00:27:24,634 That's what her company basis is for, because I would not want 536 00:27:24,634 --> 00:27:27,680 my daughter I don't know playing racquetball. 537 00:27:30,386 --> 00:27:32,332 Speaker 3: The cards are stacked against you physiologically, 538 00:27:32,712 --> 00:27:38,656 and yeah, I wasn't even going like whoa, no, no, like I was 539 00:27:38,696 --> 00:27:42,246 just saying that this, so, as we're going to dig into this, 540 00:27:42,326 --> 00:27:45,313 it's not even whether or not you're totally you know, we are 541 00:27:45,393 --> 00:27:48,348 not a political podcast, I'm just like you're totally 542 00:27:48,390 --> 00:27:49,294 entitled to your opinion. 543 00:27:49,715 --> 00:27:52,886 But I'm saying I think what I was going to say was I think 544 00:27:52,967 --> 00:27:59,979 this is a strategic move and this is nothing but rage bait to 545 00:27:59,979 --> 00:28:02,430 promote her company, which, bing, bing, bing, bing or not, 546 00:28:03,070 --> 00:28:04,654 yes, and that's what I was going to say. 547 00:28:04,654 --> 00:28:07,207 I don't think this has anything to do with. 548 00:28:07,207 --> 00:28:11,355 Like her, she just wants to say something provocative so that 549 00:28:11,435 --> 00:28:16,192 we all kind of and she knows, I mean honestly like I think 550 00:28:16,934 --> 00:28:21,345 there's, she's clearly very as we go through it, she clearly 551 00:28:21,505 --> 00:28:26,214 has political beliefs and she is using those political beliefs 552 00:28:26,476 --> 00:28:30,329 as we go through her thoughts on hr and dei, and I think that's 553 00:28:30,349 --> 00:28:30,871 what this is. 554 00:28:30,871 --> 00:28:34,838 This is just a rage-baity article that is going to be like 555 00:28:34,838 --> 00:28:39,096 I'm the next company that's going to eliminate HR and it's 556 00:28:39,115 --> 00:28:42,673 like no, you're not, you're going to have fucking problems 557 00:28:42,712 --> 00:28:44,950 is what you're going to fucking have because you don't have HR. 558 00:28:48,505 --> 00:28:50,326 Speaker 2: You've said absolutely everything. 559 00:28:50,326 --> 00:28:51,906 I've seen as I read the article . 560 00:28:51,906 --> 00:28:53,126 That was the good piece of the shit. 561 00:28:53,126 --> 00:28:53,948 You've said absolutely everything. 562 00:28:53,948 --> 00:28:54,948 I've seen as I read the article . 563 00:28:54,948 --> 00:28:56,828 That was the good piece of the shit sandwich. 564 00:28:56,828 --> 00:28:59,611 The rest of it is not going. 565 00:28:59,611 --> 00:29:04,313 I'm not going to agree with this person on a lot, but I do 566 00:29:04,472 --> 00:29:06,394 think it is an op-ed. 567 00:29:06,394 --> 00:29:08,454 Anybody can write an op-ed. 568 00:29:08,454 --> 00:29:09,276 It's well-written. 569 00:29:09,276 --> 00:29:11,576 I can't say anything bad about that. 570 00:29:11,696 --> 00:29:16,739 But I, so bad, just want to go line by line reading this 571 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:23,803 article and stating what it is, because, honestly, I don't know 572 00:29:23,843 --> 00:29:27,666 any other way to do it, because I can't just pick a line here 573 00:29:27,686 --> 00:29:28,248 and a line there. 574 00:29:28,248 --> 00:29:36,117 It's like 80% of this article is provocative to the point that 575 00:29:36,117 --> 00:29:37,980 we've got to say something about it. 576 00:29:38,346 --> 00:29:41,372 Speaker 3: She argues that HR today is more about ideological 577 00:29:41,412 --> 00:29:45,946 policing than supporting people or profits, and this is a quote 578 00:29:45,967 --> 00:29:46,268 from her. 579 00:29:46,268 --> 00:29:49,635 So HR once protected companies from lawsuits. 580 00:29:49,635 --> 00:29:57,071 Now it's a woke mob enforcing DEI ideology and yeah, which I 581 00:29:57,132 --> 00:29:58,394 love that garbage. 582 00:30:02,580 --> 00:30:08,250 Speaker 2: So, yeah, I'm like just lockstep with everything 583 00:30:08,750 --> 00:30:12,020 you've said on this, but one thing that stood out in terms of 584 00:30:12,020 --> 00:30:16,791 making this be a self-promotion article versus a true op-ed 585 00:30:16,971 --> 00:30:19,385 article let's say something inflammatory. 586 00:30:19,385 --> 00:30:23,099 They'll get picked up a lot of places and if you're going to 587 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,548 get picked up somewhere, the New York Post is not a bad place to 588 00:30:26,548 --> 00:30:26,888 do it. 589 00:30:26,888 --> 00:30:31,227 But she talks about her Instagram post that said the 590 00:30:31,287 --> 00:30:34,263 exact same thing when she announced I want to be the first 591 00:30:34,263 --> 00:30:43,844 company without HR, and the audience went wild and the line 592 00:30:43,884 --> 00:30:46,448 went viral in an Instagram post with over 5 million views. 593 00:30:46,448 --> 00:30:47,529 That tells me everything. 594 00:30:47,529 --> 00:30:48,250 That paragraph tells me. 595 00:30:48,250 --> 00:30:54,606 Yeah, this is self-promotion with some clickbait in it to get 596 00:30:54,606 --> 00:30:58,034 the HR people reading it, and things like that. 597 00:30:58,034 --> 00:31:00,522 So, yeah, I think. 598 00:31:01,565 --> 00:31:05,971 Speaker 3: I think my favorite quote is when she said I'm gonna 599 00:31:05,971 --> 00:31:10,063 misquote it but she basically said I'm running a business and 600 00:31:10,103 --> 00:31:15,531 I don't need the women of the view walking around the office 601 00:31:15,751 --> 00:31:17,835 policing what people can and cannot say. 602 00:31:17,835 --> 00:31:21,949 And I was like, well, that's just fucking misogynistic, first 603 00:31:21,949 --> 00:31:22,250 of all. 604 00:31:22,250 --> 00:31:26,748 Second of all, okay, so we got a glimpse of Warren's point of 605 00:31:26,768 --> 00:31:26,948 view. 606 00:31:26,948 --> 00:31:28,921 Now we're getting a glimpse of Christina's point of view, 607 00:31:29,461 --> 00:31:33,570 Because I'm like, honestly, I'm a little bit of like a staunch 608 00:31:33,612 --> 00:31:34,051 feminist. 609 00:31:34,051 --> 00:31:37,741 So when I hear people turning HR into like it's like the 610 00:31:37,801 --> 00:31:40,923 women's club and it's the women's like and it's the mean 611 00:31:40,962 --> 00:31:45,517 girls of corporate and I think she actually said like the mean 612 00:31:45,557 --> 00:31:49,200 girls or the whatever sending out their corporate memos, I'm 613 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,424 like fuck you. 614 00:31:50,424 --> 00:31:54,701 I'm so sorry, Like get, I didn't pray, you just me Coming 615 00:31:54,922 --> 00:31:55,946 from a feminist point of view. 616 00:31:56,299 --> 00:31:58,064 Speaker 2: Think of it from a dude point of view. 617 00:31:58,064 --> 00:32:02,794 I don't know what it is, because she does harp on women. 618 00:32:02,794 --> 00:32:06,166 She does, and I know when I I've said it on the podcast 619 00:32:06,186 --> 00:32:06,628 probably before. 620 00:32:06,628 --> 00:32:09,721 You know all the HR, you know kindergarten teachers wearing 621 00:32:09,741 --> 00:32:12,867 their fuzzy sweaters and you know singing kumbaya and holding 622 00:32:12,867 --> 00:32:14,470 hands and things like that. 623 00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:17,275 I don't think that gets terribly misogynistic. 624 00:32:17,275 --> 00:32:20,711 It probably is, but not as bad as this lady gets. 625 00:32:20,711 --> 00:32:24,346 Because here we go, hr departments today are packed 626 00:32:24,385 --> 00:32:25,328 with Tracy Flicks. 627 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,548 The way-too-eager high schooler played by Reese Witherspoon in 628 00:32:28,568 --> 00:32:33,604 the movie Election Flick is the archetypal head girl, a term 629 00:32:33,644 --> 00:32:37,339 derived from the British school system that is tight hierarchy 630 00:32:37,961 --> 00:32:41,367 of internal discipline and ambitious and officious with 631 00:32:41,448 --> 00:32:43,332 little actual skill or intellect . 632 00:32:43,332 --> 00:32:46,130 Hand razors like these are not selected to lead for their 633 00:32:46,170 --> 00:32:49,362 intelligence or ability, but conscientious and willingness to 634 00:32:49,362 --> 00:32:50,743 follow and uphold the rules. 635 00:32:50,743 --> 00:32:56,752 That's fine when HR had no power, and okay, that's fine 636 00:32:56,792 --> 00:32:59,458 when HR had no power, and okay this whole thing. 637 00:32:59,458 --> 00:33:01,705 And she was with Levi's and she was with these other companies 638 00:33:01,726 --> 00:33:02,268 you mentioned. 639 00:33:02,268 --> 00:33:07,402 It sounds like she's never been involved with a real 640 00:33:07,461 --> 00:33:12,166 professional HR team or real HR professionals. 641 00:33:12,166 --> 00:33:15,000 I'll say it any number of times HR. 642 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,712 The reason we are the laughingstock of professions is 643 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,410 oh, you were a good fill in the blank, you'll be great in HR. 644 00:33:23,410 --> 00:33:29,182 And we get the wrong people who want to have a pizza party, who 645 00:33:29,182 --> 00:33:34,185 want to put up a really pretty bulletin board and have an 646 00:33:34,226 --> 00:33:40,086 employee of the month type thing all the fun, cool kumbaya type 647 00:33:40,126 --> 00:33:45,583 stuff, but it doesn't cut it when the shit hits the fan, it 648 00:33:45,623 --> 00:33:46,205 really doesn't. 649 00:33:46,205 --> 00:33:50,769 So, yeah, I think she's been exposed to the wrong HR. 650 00:33:51,371 --> 00:33:55,741 Let's see here what I had and you mentioned about the wanting 651 00:33:55,781 --> 00:34:02,707 to police the words you say In 30, almost 30 years of working 652 00:34:02,747 --> 00:34:06,769 in HR, yes, I have told people they can't say words, but 653 00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:10,092 they're usually some really big, important words that we're not 654 00:34:10,112 --> 00:34:10,452 going to be. 655 00:34:10,452 --> 00:34:13,815 I'm not going to say on the podcast, say on the podcast, and 656 00:34:13,815 --> 00:34:17,217 those are the type of words I've had to have the wonderful 657 00:34:17,257 --> 00:34:17,777 conversations. 658 00:34:17,777 --> 00:34:23,302 We don't say these at work or this is why you're being fired 659 00:34:23,322 --> 00:34:24,425 because you have said these at work, type things. 660 00:34:24,425 --> 00:34:28,516 I've never told somebody they can't say a certain word now, 661 00:34:28,918 --> 00:34:29,619 but she goes on. 662 00:34:29,619 --> 00:34:32,965 I want to scroll down to the oh anyways. 663 00:34:33,286 --> 00:34:37,313 And now in the 2020s, hr asserts its newly found clout with 664 00:34:37,353 --> 00:34:42,643 tyrannical zeal Tyrannical zeal, Tyrannical zeal yeah but let me 665 00:34:42,643 --> 00:34:48,920 scroll to the end here, where she said something oh okay, my 666 00:34:49,001 --> 00:34:52,329 company is a walking talking HR violation. 667 00:34:52,329 --> 00:34:55,228 She says we misgender all day long. 668 00:34:55,228 --> 00:35:00,125 In fact, speaking the truth, as I call it, is required to work 669 00:35:00,184 --> 00:35:00,385 here. 670 00:35:00,385 --> 00:35:02,311 We're not in school anymore. 671 00:35:02,311 --> 00:35:06,443 We don't need a persnickety mismanners adequate enforcer 672 00:35:06,463 --> 00:35:07,625 telling us to be nice. 673 00:35:08,467 --> 00:35:10,793 Speaker 3: How dare we treat someone the way they want to be 674 00:35:10,833 --> 00:35:11,233 treated? 675 00:35:13,101 --> 00:35:18,409 Speaker 2: So, yeah, by saying and promoting that what're doing 676 00:35:18,409 --> 00:35:22,905 , what she's doing, she's going to find and knock on wood, I 677 00:35:22,985 --> 00:35:25,170 have not found this employee yet . 678 00:35:25,170 --> 00:35:26,813 But there are those employees out there. 679 00:35:26,813 --> 00:35:30,262 They're just looking to get hired so they can sue your ass. 680 00:35:30,262 --> 00:35:36,128 And so they're going to hire someone that they don't know is 681 00:35:36,588 --> 00:35:44,155 trans or I don't even know all the correct terminology not cis, 682 00:35:44,155 --> 00:35:46,996 male or whatever the right thing is to say. 683 00:35:46,996 --> 00:35:49,568 I'm too old to follow all that stuff. 684 00:35:49,568 --> 00:35:54,280 But anyways, and that person is going to sue them and they're 685 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,047 going to refer to this article where she says oh yeah, in June 686 00:35:58,067 --> 00:36:00,911 of 2025, she says we intentionally do it and it is 687 00:36:00,972 --> 00:36:02,255 required at our job. 688 00:36:02,255 --> 00:36:06,541 And this is why you need an HR person, asshole, I tell you, 689 00:36:06,882 --> 00:36:09,070 because you are going to get yourself sued. 690 00:36:09,070 --> 00:36:14,389 And, yes, that's part of what HR does is we do help enforce, 691 00:36:14,588 --> 00:36:17,614 trying to keep your ass out of a sling as much as we can. 692 00:36:17,614 --> 00:36:22,367 But anyways, I'll continue to go on, go it alone without HR. 693 00:36:22,367 --> 00:36:26,262 So I'll assume the so-called risk so I can lead in my own 694 00:36:26,282 --> 00:36:30,070 voice and all the things she says throughout here that HR 695 00:36:30,110 --> 00:36:30,271 does. 696 00:36:30,271 --> 00:36:33,184 Hr is not the one making those decisions. 697 00:36:33,184 --> 00:36:37,400 It's either A, a law, b coming from the C-level suite, that 698 00:36:37,521 --> 00:36:38,525 this is what we're going to do here. 699 00:36:38,525 --> 00:36:41,465 And even if HR said, hey, demi, that's not the best idea, nope, 700 00:36:41,465 --> 00:36:45,108 ceo says it's doing that, okay, we're doing that type of thing. 701 00:36:46,483 --> 00:36:47,847 She's never had good HR. 702 00:36:47,847 --> 00:36:50,380 Oh, there were some other good things, oh. 703 00:36:50,380 --> 00:36:56,653 So she interviewed in 2023 for CEO at an $8 billion retailer 704 00:36:57,460 --> 00:37:01,362 and she went through all this interview things and then her 705 00:37:01,543 --> 00:37:02,164 interview. 706 00:37:02,164 --> 00:37:05,952 My last interview was with the HR representative on the board. 707 00:37:05,952 --> 00:37:09,289 Her first question was will you apologize for what you've done 708 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,322 and what I've done? 709 00:37:11,322 --> 00:37:14,030 I was an advocate for opening schools during COVID. 710 00:37:14,030 --> 00:37:14,731 Blah, blah, blah. 711 00:37:14,731 --> 00:37:16,865 That didn't matter to the HR lady. 712 00:37:16,865 --> 00:37:19,454 I violated her tightly enforced script. 713 00:37:19,454 --> 00:37:21,862 I didn't apologize and I didn't get the job. 714 00:37:21,862 --> 00:37:27,416 And then, over the last two decades this is great HR has 715 00:37:27,456 --> 00:37:30,583 gone from operational support to operation head. 716 00:37:30,583 --> 00:37:31,724 Girl hall monitor. 717 00:37:32,686 --> 00:37:38,768 Oh oh my gosh, they force feed trainings about acceptable 718 00:37:38,807 --> 00:37:39,563 language Once again. 719 00:37:39,563 --> 00:37:44,304 Never in my career have I done anything, done a training on an 720 00:37:44,443 --> 00:37:45,228 enforceable language. 721 00:37:45,228 --> 00:37:47,882 We're not going to have a training that says, okay, these 722 00:37:47,922 --> 00:37:48,987 are the words you don't use. 723 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:50,905 Speaker 3: George Carlton's skit . 724 00:37:50,905 --> 00:37:52,405 You have to say the same thing. 725 00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:54,565 Speaker 2: These are the seven magic words. 726 00:37:54,565 --> 00:37:56,202 Well, there's more than seven nowadays words. 727 00:37:56,202 --> 00:37:57,143 Well, there's more than seven nowadays. 728 00:37:57,143 --> 00:37:58,728 But anyways, you don't say these things. 729 00:37:59,429 --> 00:38:00,550 Speaker 3: They make merit out to be racist. 730 00:38:00,550 --> 00:38:01,813 That's just common sense in society. 731 00:38:02,981 --> 00:38:04,668 Speaker 2: They make merit out to be racist. 732 00:38:04,668 --> 00:38:08,590 I mean, they set out a criteria based on risk avoidance rather 733 00:38:08,610 --> 00:38:09,132 than excellence. 734 00:38:09,132 --> 00:38:15,483 Now, risk avoidance can go hand in hand with excellence If you 735 00:38:15,925 --> 00:38:18,739 have a well-treated, well-maintained workforce. 736 00:38:18,739 --> 00:38:19,601 That doesn't. 737 00:38:19,601 --> 00:38:24,351 She is going to be on like John Hyman's worst list of employers 738 00:38:24,351 --> 00:38:24,793 at some point. 739 00:38:24,793 --> 00:38:28,507 She's going to do something so ridiculously stupid that she's 740 00:38:28,548 --> 00:38:33,385 going to get the award for this, but anyways, yeah, oh, and she 741 00:38:33,485 --> 00:38:38,074 addresses us, calling her misogynistic. 742 00:38:38,074 --> 00:38:40,668 Am I being sexist and calling them head girls? 743 00:38:40,668 --> 00:38:45,971 In 2023, 76% of all HR managers in the US were female. 744 00:38:45,971 --> 00:38:49,347 The shoe fits and, yes, men can be head girl type too. 745 00:38:49,347 --> 00:38:54,369 These head girls make everyone add pronouns that are email 746 00:38:54,409 --> 00:38:55,012 signatures. 747 00:38:55,012 --> 00:38:58,746 It's just these time suckers should focus away from the 748 00:38:58,806 --> 00:38:59,248 business. 749 00:39:00,150 --> 00:39:00,831 Speaker 3: You know what she is. 750 00:39:00,831 --> 00:39:02,826 She's a corporate pick me. 751 00:39:03,708 --> 00:39:04,030 Speaker 2: Yeah. 752 00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:07,588 Speaker 3: Like she's literally just like the executive version 753 00:39:07,708 --> 00:39:08,371 of a pick me. 754 00:39:08,371 --> 00:39:11,422 She just she's not like the other girls, she's a she's. 755 00:39:11,422 --> 00:39:13,971 She runs her business like a big woman. 756 00:39:13,971 --> 00:39:15,222 Like OK, I get it. 757 00:39:15,222 --> 00:39:18,690 Like she's not like us, she's like the man Get out of here, go 758 00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:18,931 away. 759 00:39:18,931 --> 00:39:19,652 I'm tired of you. 760 00:39:20,221 --> 00:39:25,329 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly my critics of my viral comment push 761 00:39:25,329 --> 00:39:25,590 back me. 762 00:39:25,590 --> 00:39:27,827 You need HR to avoid unnecessary risk. 763 00:39:27,827 --> 00:39:32,251 That's the fear HR leverages to maintain its unearned influence 764 00:39:32,251 --> 00:39:32,251 . 765 00:39:32,251 --> 00:39:38,568 It just everything she says and does is just really 766 00:39:39,391 --> 00:39:41,574 stomach-churning in this. 767 00:39:41,574 --> 00:39:48,186 Karma's going to come back around to her, but anyways she 768 00:39:48,246 --> 00:39:54,385 goes in and talks about how she's going to do it her own way 769 00:39:54,385 --> 00:39:54,385 . 770 00:39:54,385 --> 00:39:59,882 She's just asking for trouble, asking for it, and this whole 771 00:39:59,922 --> 00:40:05,027 thing is a self-promotional piece wrapped in an op-ed. 772 00:40:06,181 --> 00:40:07,005 So, yeah, I just. 773 00:40:07,005 --> 00:40:11,981 And her business is only a little bit over a year old, so 774 00:40:12,121 --> 00:40:14,971 she probably isn't at the point yet where she really needs. 775 00:40:14,971 --> 00:40:19,282 I mean, I can't imagine how many employees she has. 776 00:40:19,282 --> 00:40:20,525 You know, under 100. 777 00:40:20,525 --> 00:40:24,052 You could probably get away without a true hr person. 778 00:40:24,072 --> 00:40:27,650 Speaker 3: You might want someone to bounce stuff off of, 779 00:40:27,751 --> 00:40:31,360 but yeah, they she has a lawyer who knows a little employment 780 00:40:31,420 --> 00:40:37,813 law and can at least tell her to shut the fuck up yeah, hey you 781 00:40:38,152 --> 00:40:46,710 are wrong don't say stupid shit at work and don't publish pieces 782 00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:50,960 like this yeah, just the the vitriol for hr. 783 00:40:51,021 --> 00:40:56,092 Speaker 2: and like I do read the anti-HR subreddits 784 00:40:56,152 --> 00:40:59,222 occasionally, I do read those things and it's the same. 785 00:40:59,222 --> 00:41:02,128 You know not coming from someone of her level and 786 00:41:02,168 --> 00:41:05,447 everything, but it's the same stuff every single time. 787 00:41:05,447 --> 00:41:10,402 Hr made me do this or I lost my job because HR Nobody in the 788 00:41:10,483 --> 00:41:11,407 history of the world is. 789 00:41:11,407 --> 00:41:12,610 I won't say this. 790 00:41:12,610 --> 00:41:16,264 It doesn't happen very frequently that someone loses 791 00:41:16,324 --> 00:41:19,605 their job because of HR, you do it to yourself. 792 00:41:19,605 --> 00:41:23,846 If HR and what it is is, they got shitty managers that say, 793 00:41:24,065 --> 00:41:28,512 well, hr says I have to fire you because you know that's where 794 00:41:28,532 --> 00:41:30,054 all this bad HR comes from. 795 00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:31,242 Speaker 3: Real talk. 796 00:41:31,242 --> 00:41:35,536 We had to like tell managers we would do performance reviews 797 00:41:35,576 --> 00:41:38,826 and we would have calibration, and then some people's scores 798 00:41:38,887 --> 00:41:43,280 would change from like a, from a three to a two or something, 799 00:41:44,362 --> 00:41:45,844 and it was a three point scale. 800 00:41:45,844 --> 00:41:46,306 It's fine. 801 00:41:46,306 --> 00:41:49,914 But the manager would be like well, I really wanted to give 802 00:41:49,940 --> 00:41:55,849 you a three, but and it was like come on, like okay, first of 803 00:41:55,969 --> 00:41:58,894 all, why can't you just be a leader, like yeah, have a 804 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,525 decision and stick with it? 805 00:42:00,525 --> 00:42:04,998 And also like we can tell when you're over inflating ratings 806 00:42:05,059 --> 00:42:09,208 for people, like not everyone on your team is an, a player, like 807 00:42:09,208 --> 00:42:13,360 sorry, it's just very seldom that that happens. 808 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,128 So it's just like, why are you pulling it on HR? 809 00:42:16,128 --> 00:42:19,869 But that's like another example of oh, my HR made me do it. 810 00:42:19,869 --> 00:42:25,264 No, hr, no, grow some huevos, just do your job. 811 00:42:26,860 --> 00:42:27,724 I'm on fire tonight. 812 00:42:27,724 --> 00:42:30,532 I'm so sorry this woman has me so riled up. 813 00:42:30,873 --> 00:42:31,820 Speaker 2: No, I agree. 814 00:42:31,820 --> 00:42:34,369 Like I said, I read this. 815 00:42:34,369 --> 00:42:37,068 You said it just before 8, right around eight o'clock. 816 00:42:37,068 --> 00:42:37,541 I read it. 817 00:42:37,541 --> 00:42:39,204 I was like just whoa whoa. 818 00:42:39,204 --> 00:42:44,280 Like I said, I could go line for line down this whole article 819 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:50,411 and just say that some of the stupid things, oh, front of 820 00:42:50,452 --> 00:42:53,722 house employees, builders, makers and service providers 821 00:42:53,782 --> 00:42:57,027 must spend a significant amount of time thinking about the words 822 00:42:57,027 --> 00:42:59,172 they use rather than their actual jobs. 823 00:43:00,673 --> 00:43:02,543 Speaker 3: Really, when does that really happen? 824 00:43:02,543 --> 00:43:03,407 I don't know. 825 00:43:03,407 --> 00:43:05,512 Do you read emails? 826 00:43:05,653 --> 00:43:08,684 Speaker 2: No one's thinking about the words they're putting 827 00:43:08,724 --> 00:43:10,422 in there Exactly. 828 00:43:10,422 --> 00:43:13,751 Well, are your employees just so uncouth that they can't have 829 00:43:13,811 --> 00:43:17,181 any common dignity and respect for other human beings? 830 00:43:17,181 --> 00:43:20,407 There's a lot of people I don't like in this world. 831 00:43:20,407 --> 00:43:25,445 I'm not going to sit there at work and do anything that you 832 00:43:25,465 --> 00:43:25,606 know. 833 00:43:25,606 --> 00:43:29,172 Even I can't even think of somebody the worst boss I've 834 00:43:29,233 --> 00:43:31,804 ever had let's say they were my subordinate oh gosh, this is 835 00:43:31,824 --> 00:43:34,329 just this, this fill-in-the-blank protected 836 00:43:34,369 --> 00:43:39,282 class or whatever is such a whatever People don't do. 837 00:43:39,282 --> 00:43:42,931 I won't say people don't do that, because John Hyman has a 838 00:43:42,971 --> 00:43:47,786 list and it's pretty long every year, but most, the vast, vast 839 00:43:47,827 --> 00:43:51,594 majority of people don't have, don't do this type of stuff. 840 00:43:51,594 --> 00:43:52,240 They understand. 841 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:56,271 Hey, let's just be good human beings and treat each other 842 00:43:56,452 --> 00:43:56,913 nicely. 843 00:43:56,913 --> 00:43:59,507 And if you treat each other nicely, they're going to like 844 00:43:59,547 --> 00:44:01,362 where they work and they're going to do better for you and 845 00:44:01,382 --> 00:44:02,706 they're going to feel more engaged. 846 00:44:03,268 --> 00:44:07,384 And I would go as far to say that maybe some of her employees 847 00:44:07,384 --> 00:44:11,697 have additional stress because they maybe don't agree with her 848 00:44:11,858 --> 00:44:15,416 political beliefs and her and I was asking you what the question 849 00:44:15,416 --> 00:44:16,559 before we started recording. 850 00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:17,762 What's the opposite of woke? 851 00:44:17,762 --> 00:44:24,271 I don't know what the opposite of this person is no brain 852 00:44:24,291 --> 00:44:25,032 activity. 853 00:44:25,032 --> 00:44:30,789 But you're going to have someone in there that their son 854 00:44:30,849 --> 00:44:42,483 or daughter might be, might be transitioning or not in her 855 00:44:42,503 --> 00:44:43,626 world of, you know, being misgendered or something like 856 00:44:43,646 --> 00:44:43,726 that. 857 00:44:43,726 --> 00:44:45,331 That's, that's a whole nother thing and saying, bragging, that 858 00:44:45,331 --> 00:44:46,414 they misgender people. 859 00:44:46,414 --> 00:44:50,226 I mean I feel bad just calling someone by the wrong name and I 860 00:44:50,367 --> 00:44:53,344 am awful with names you know it's funny, like really quick, 861 00:44:53,684 --> 00:44:56,259 like before we go too too long, so thanks. 862 00:44:56,278 --> 00:45:00,469 Speaker 3: Speaking of policing words, oh, a friend of mine, her 863 00:45:00,469 --> 00:45:07,081 , her husband, is working for an australian-based company and he 864 00:45:07,081 --> 00:45:13,208 was talking about, like their work culture is so beyond insane 865 00:45:13,208 --> 00:45:17,173 that, like they, they drop the c word every five seconds at 866 00:45:17,213 --> 00:45:20,340 work and that is the british thing. 867 00:45:20,802 --> 00:45:22,085 Speaker 2: It's a australian thing. 868 00:45:22,125 --> 00:45:26,293 Speaker 3: They oh yeah, and it's just like so funny to hear 869 00:45:26,333 --> 00:45:30,106 him talk and it's just so funny, like just to be like, oh, just, 870 00:45:30,106 --> 00:45:35,043 he don't worry about him, he's such a c word and then like what 871 00:45:35,043 --> 00:45:38,123 , like so it was just funny for my friend's husband. 872 00:45:38,123 --> 00:45:41,235 He's like an executive level individual, like he's VP level, 873 00:45:41,978 --> 00:45:42,661 and he was just like. 874 00:45:42,661 --> 00:45:46,306 I feel like I am the most polished and prude person in 875 00:45:46,327 --> 00:45:51,764 that room because, and he is not a polished or prude person. 876 00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:55,253 Speaker 2: Oh, it is so funny. 877 00:45:55,253 --> 00:45:59,204 Well, I thought you were going to go down another route because 878 00:45:59,204 --> 00:46:02,536 Ashley, also from HR Besties and one of their older like 879 00:46:02,675 --> 00:46:06,244 maybe first year podcast episodes Ashley was talking 880 00:46:06,284 --> 00:46:09,112 about she worked for a multinational company and they 881 00:46:09,192 --> 00:46:13,967 wanted them to use more of the British pronunciation of things 882 00:46:14,027 --> 00:46:18,054 like process and things Americans to use those terms. 883 00:46:18,054 --> 00:46:20,103 I'm like and she's like, why? 884 00:46:20,103 --> 00:46:21,346 Why are you doing that? 885 00:46:21,346 --> 00:46:26,443 If I were to be told to use the word or pronounce, I should say 886 00:46:26,443 --> 00:46:28,547 process or whatever. 887 00:46:28,547 --> 00:46:29,510 You know all the. 888 00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:32,702 You know the little fun, intricate differences between 889 00:46:32,764 --> 00:46:32,864 our. 890 00:46:32,884 --> 00:46:34,626 Speaker 3: Oh, I could take the lift. 891 00:46:35,148 --> 00:46:36,632 Speaker 2: You know the lift. 892 00:46:36,632 --> 00:46:40,530 Yeah, oh, hold the lift, you know, or whatever, I don't know, 893 00:46:40,530 --> 00:46:41,996 it's just those things. 894 00:46:41,996 --> 00:46:42,940 I'm not really. 895 00:46:42,940 --> 00:46:45,485 If they say lift, I say elevator. 896 00:46:45,485 --> 00:46:49,380 We know what each other are saying, you know, and and things 897 00:46:49,380 --> 00:46:49,702 like that. 898 00:46:49,702 --> 00:46:54,427 I don't see the need to ask your employees to, to adapt to, 899 00:46:54,867 --> 00:47:00,253 even if it's the same language, the nuances and quirks of that's 900 00:47:00,253 --> 00:47:02,295 just a stupid American saying the American word. 901 00:47:02,295 --> 00:47:07,070 So, anyways, I just think that was funny. 902 00:47:07,070 --> 00:47:10,762 I sort of thought that's where the direction you're going to go 903 00:47:10,762 --> 00:47:13,125 with these international companies. 904 00:47:13,125 --> 00:47:19,391 So, yeah, well, I think we've had enough fun for today at the 905 00:47:19,451 --> 00:47:24,494 expense of our friend at XXXY Athletics. 906 00:47:24,494 --> 00:47:26,336 Yeah, good luck with that. 907 00:47:26,820 --> 00:47:28,108 Speaker 3: Good luck in your first lawsuit. 908 00:47:28,108 --> 00:47:31,027 Yeah, have the day you deserve. 909 00:47:31,826 --> 00:47:33,882 Speaker 2: Have the day you deserve and remember if you are 910 00:47:33,922 --> 00:47:34,483 going to sue her. 911 00:47:34,483 --> 00:47:37,692 You can find this article on Google her name or search New 912 00:47:37,711 --> 00:47:38,233 York Post. 913 00:47:38,233 --> 00:47:40,126 You can find it right there. 914 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,947 Speaker 3: Because the internet is forever. 915 00:47:43,579 --> 00:47:45,164 Speaker 2: And we're going to be talking about something very 916 00:47:45,686 --> 00:47:46,990 close to that very soon. 917 00:47:47,139 --> 00:47:48,706 Speaker 3: Speaking of yes, yes. 918 00:47:48,706 --> 00:47:50,224 Some foreshadowing. 919 00:47:52,581 --> 00:47:54,606 Speaker 2: This episode we're talking about is going to take 920 00:47:54,686 --> 00:47:57,641 some real research and dive and it's going to be. 921 00:47:57,641 --> 00:48:01,150 I've got production ideas of how we're going to do it already 922 00:48:01,150 --> 00:48:01,150 . 923 00:48:01,150 --> 00:48:03,086 That's why we're not running with it already. 924 00:48:03,086 --> 00:48:08,449 That might be our July episode. 925 00:48:08,449 --> 00:48:09,853 That isn't an office episode. 926 00:48:09,853 --> 00:48:13,650 So, wow, this was fun. 927 00:48:13,650 --> 00:48:15,186 This really was a lot of fun. 928 00:48:15,186 --> 00:48:18,409 We've almost gone an hour and I didn't didn't think we'd get 929 00:48:18,449 --> 00:48:19,271 anywhere near that long. 930 00:48:20,442 --> 00:48:22,487 Speaker 3: I had some rage, we released some rage. 931 00:48:22,487 --> 00:48:23,851 It was good, good time. 932 00:48:24,460 --> 00:48:25,021 Speaker 2: Exactly. 933 00:48:25,021 --> 00:48:25,963 Let's see here. 934 00:48:25,963 --> 00:48:27,909 I want to thank our Patreon supporters. 935 00:48:27,909 --> 00:48:31,443 If we have any more after this Hallie, the original Jaded HR 936 00:48:31,503 --> 00:48:33,188 rock star, bill and Mike. 937 00:48:33,188 --> 00:48:34,291 Thank you for supporting us. 938 00:48:34,291 --> 00:48:35,233 You can support us too. 939 00:48:35,233 --> 00:48:38,347 I haven't looked for reviews in since the last time I talked 940 00:48:38,387 --> 00:48:40,932 about it, oh, oh, but you got it something on. 941 00:48:40,932 --> 00:48:45,548 You got some feedback on your Instagram from listener feedback 942 00:48:45,548 --> 00:48:45,548 . 943 00:48:45,989 --> 00:48:49,021 Speaker 3: I got listener feedback, Okay so we got 944 00:48:49,061 --> 00:48:50,003 something wrong people. 945 00:48:50,605 --> 00:48:51,666 We got something wrong. 946 00:48:51,666 --> 00:48:59,820 And let me just say when I'm wrong, thing wrong. 947 00:48:59,820 --> 00:49:01,003 And let me just say when I'm wrong, I will say I'm wrong. 948 00:49:01,003 --> 00:49:02,248 So apparently in our february episode or march, when we were 949 00:49:02,268 --> 00:49:05,096 talking about an individual at work, their team was doing a 950 00:49:05,135 --> 00:49:07,764 myers briggs that was like themed for star wars. 951 00:49:07,764 --> 00:49:09,007 Oh, it was in may, that's what it was. 952 00:49:09,007 --> 00:49:11,460 Yeah, um made the fourth. 953 00:49:11,460 --> 00:49:13,585 It's my most treasured holiday. 954 00:49:13,585 --> 00:49:17,360 We were like kind of ragging on this woman, being like, oh you 955 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,286 know, this is why we can't have nice things, karen. 956 00:49:20,286 --> 00:49:27,324 So it turns out that she wasn't upset that she got the Darth 957 00:49:27,364 --> 00:49:28,626 Vader rating. 958 00:49:28,626 --> 00:49:36,173 It was that people took the test for her and did the answers 959 00:49:36,173 --> 00:49:38,277 as if they were for her. 960 00:49:38,277 --> 00:49:42,329 So in this case it does change the perspective a little bit 961 00:49:42,731 --> 00:49:46,684 that maybe her team was bullying her a little bit, so she did 962 00:49:46,744 --> 00:49:47,608 not take the test. 963 00:49:47,608 --> 00:49:50,085 It was just her team that was just effing with her. 964 00:49:52,010 --> 00:49:55,969 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but there's something like that. 965 00:49:55,969 --> 00:49:59,489 If someone took the test, I, you know, we, we took the test, 966 00:49:59,528 --> 00:50:02,065 we misrepresented it, we were wrong, whatever you want to say. 967 00:50:02,065 --> 00:50:06,164 But if someone took the test that made me out to be Darth 968 00:50:06,184 --> 00:50:10,090 Vader or Jar Jar Binks or anything like that, I'd roll 969 00:50:10,130 --> 00:50:10,391 with it. 970 00:50:10,391 --> 00:50:12,172 I'd have some fun Jar Jar. 971 00:50:13,795 --> 00:50:17,108 Speaker 3: Screw that If people made me Jar Jar Binks, I would 972 00:50:17,128 --> 00:50:18,050 be quitting my job. 973 00:50:18,050 --> 00:50:21,030 I am no group Jar Jar Binks. 974 00:50:22,420 --> 00:50:25,530 Speaker 2: But yeah, the only person hated more than Darth 975 00:50:25,550 --> 00:50:25,771 Vader. 976 00:50:25,771 --> 00:50:27,045 People love Darth Vader. 977 00:50:27,045 --> 00:50:27,367 Actually. 978 00:50:27,367 --> 00:50:29,726 That's a great thing about Star Wars. 979 00:50:29,726 --> 00:50:33,547 You love the bad guys too Darth Maul, darth Vader, the Emperor 980 00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:36,128 you love the bad guys as much as you like the good guys Even 981 00:50:36,168 --> 00:50:36,871 more sometimes. 982 00:50:37,503 --> 00:50:38,271 Speaker 3: Even more. 983 00:50:38,271 --> 00:50:40,947 You know what the villains are often more times more complex 984 00:50:41,179 --> 00:50:42,043 and more interesting. 985 00:50:42,565 --> 00:50:43,407 Speaker 2: Kylo Ren. 986 00:50:43,407 --> 00:50:46,065 See, Exactly so. 987 00:50:46,065 --> 00:50:48,655 Anyways, we did get some feedback. 988 00:50:48,655 --> 00:50:51,327 If you have any feedback for us , if we get something wrong, let 989 00:50:51,327 --> 00:50:51,708 us know. 990 00:50:51,708 --> 00:50:54,746 We'll eat our crow with that. 991 00:50:54,746 --> 00:50:58,666 Anyways, thank you for the feedback and let's see here. 992 00:50:58,666 --> 00:51:01,588 The only other thing I need to do is thank the voice artist, 993 00:51:01,668 --> 00:51:04,226 Andrew Culpa, who does the announcement at the beginning, 994 00:51:04,266 --> 00:51:06,382 the disclaimer and then the underscore. 995 00:51:06,382 --> 00:51:09,679 Orchestra for use of the theme song devil with the devil, so 996 00:51:10,081 --> 00:51:11,425 with all that fun stuff. 997 00:51:11,425 --> 00:51:16,518 Said as always, I'm Warren, I'm Cece and we're here helping you 998 00:51:16,518 --> 00:51:17,951 survive HR one. 999 00:51:17,951 --> 00:51:19,920 What the fuck moment at a time. 1000 00:51:20,521 --> 00:51:26,228 Speaker 1: Yay, thank you.