WEBVTT 00:00:02.023 --> 00:00:09.814 Had you actually read the email, you would know that the podcast you are about to listen to could contain explicit language and offensive content. 00:00:09.814 --> 00:00:16.480 These HR experts' views are not representative of their past, present or future employers. 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:19.707 If you have ever heard my manager is unfair to me. 00:00:19.707 --> 00:00:26.548 I need you to reset my HR portal password, or Can I write up my employee for crying too much? 00:00:26.548 --> 00:00:28.864 Welcome to our little safe zone. 00:00:28.864 --> 00:00:31.190 Welcome to Jaded HR. 00:00:53.479 --> 00:00:59.737 Welcome to JDHR, the podcast by two HR professionals who want to help you get through the workday by saying everything you're thinking, but say it out loud. 00:00:59.737 --> 00:01:00.238 I'm Warren, I'm Cece. 00:01:00.238 --> 00:01:02.685 We are back on a normal schedule, as we're saying. 00:01:02.685 --> 00:01:04.668 This week we have this one. 00:01:04.668 --> 00:01:06.593 Next week we have Office Rewatch. 00:01:06.593 --> 00:01:17.066 The week after that, july 10th, we'll be dropping another new episode, but July 24th I'm going to be out of town and unless we record two, maybe we'll do it. 00:01:17.066 --> 00:01:20.450 Maybe we'll record two and do a second Office one and then drop that. 00:01:20.450 --> 00:01:22.486 That's require a little bit less work on my end. 00:01:22.706 --> 00:01:24.774 That'd be awesome. 00:01:24.774 --> 00:01:26.064 Give the people what they want. 00:01:26.165 --> 00:01:31.325 Yeah, and y'all seem to be enjoying the office episode, so next week we'll have one of those as well. 00:01:31.325 --> 00:01:45.987 So, ah, wow, well, we were talking off air about and we've we've mentioned on there before as well you as a listener, really really like when we shit on SHRM. 00:01:45.987 --> 00:01:55.766 Our last episode yet again while we're talking about SHRM had well above average download numbers, in the first two weeks at least. 00:01:55.766 --> 00:02:02.085 And, yeah, you all, really, everything that we start talking about SHRM has higher downloads. 00:02:02.085 --> 00:02:04.191 So I'm going to start off by talking about SHRM. 00:02:05.620 --> 00:02:06.703 Give the people what they want. 00:02:06.703 --> 00:02:09.292 The algorithm we're doing it for the algo. 00:02:09.292 --> 00:02:22.653 So anyways and I got this, I will say, from Jamie Jackson on one of her Instagram accounts SHRM has added yet another keynote speaker to the SHRM 2025. 00:02:22.653 --> 00:02:25.784 And that is Joe Biden. 00:02:25.784 --> 00:02:32.201 And you know this is going to be a hard episode not to go political in. 00:02:32.201 --> 00:02:34.106 I've mentioned it any number of times. 00:02:34.106 --> 00:02:39.225 I consider myself fiercely independent and nobody on the right likes my opinions. 00:02:39.225 --> 00:02:40.770 Nobody on the left likes my opinions. 00:02:40.770 --> 00:02:41.941 I usually keep them to myself. 00:02:41.941 --> 00:02:57.801 But Jamie and a few other people since I saw Jamie's first with it have come up with the theory that this is a F you sort of to Donald Trump in terms of JCT not getting the Secretary of Labor position that it looked. 00:02:57.801 --> 00:03:00.591 Everybody was saying it was his. 00:03:00.891 --> 00:03:01.855 Look at that headcanon. 00:03:01.855 --> 00:03:03.159 Let's keep that story. 00:03:03.420 --> 00:03:04.986 Let's keep that story going, okay. 00:03:04.986 --> 00:03:14.804 So yeah, I don't know if there's any truth to it. 00:03:14.804 --> 00:03:15.325 I did, I think, online. 00:03:15.325 --> 00:03:19.598 I watched George W Bush, his interview with Johnny C Taylor and, honestly, the politics side, it was a good interview. 00:03:19.598 --> 00:03:22.963 It was good, it was funny, it was basically what you want. 00:03:22.963 --> 00:03:24.085 Was that two or three years ago? 00:03:24.085 --> 00:03:26.008 I don't remember, I forget. 00:03:26.008 --> 00:03:26.609 It was good. 00:03:27.149 --> 00:03:36.292 I think Joe Biden, because he from day one has been such a staunch pro-labor, is going to be very interesting. 00:03:36.292 --> 00:03:43.649 And I've said before I think Sherm has really gone pro-labor over the past five, 10 years or more. 00:03:43.649 --> 00:03:47.014 So I think that's going to be an interesting conversation. 00:03:47.014 --> 00:03:53.271 So yeah, I can see Joe Biden being a little bit more than just a political hack. 00:03:53.271 --> 00:04:01.584 The speaker, you know a giant, not just big name, giant name, but I'm just wondering how much of my dues are paying for this. 00:04:01.584 --> 00:04:21.392 And honestly, because of his pro-labor background, it might have a little more substance than maybe, say, and I just remember thinking that the Bush talk with JCT wasn't bad and it was pretty good, but I can't remember the first thing they discussed at all. 00:04:21.392 --> 00:04:33.874 So I don't know what is going to be said or how it would compare, but he does have a little bit of chops to talk about labor and HR issues. 00:04:33.874 --> 00:04:39.612 To that extent I would say so yeah, well, we will see where that one goes. 00:04:40.761 --> 00:04:41.281 I'd be down. 00:04:41.281 --> 00:04:42.805 I'd be down to see him talk. 00:04:42.805 --> 00:04:51.529 I mean, I saw Martha Stewart talk, so I think Joe Biden's better than Martha Stewart, in my opinion, in my taste, I would say, but I don't know. 00:04:51.529 --> 00:04:52.692 That would be interesting. 00:04:53.052 --> 00:04:53.353 Yeah. 00:04:53.473 --> 00:04:54.375 It's just always so weird. 00:04:54.375 --> 00:04:58.471 I always wonder what the thought process is for selecting these speakers. 00:04:58.471 --> 00:05:00.103 So who's available. 00:05:00.125 --> 00:05:02.600 Who can we afford Exactly? 00:05:02.982 --> 00:05:11.502 However, I am going to say I like the theory that this was an SEO, because you know like I mean. 00:05:13.788 --> 00:05:14.550 You want it to be true. 00:05:14.569 --> 00:05:14.670 Yeah. 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:19.428 And I think I sometimes think Trump would be butthurt over that. 00:05:19.891 --> 00:05:33.161 Oh yeah, he'll be butthurt over anything, anything Of all weeks, you know, of all weeks us to meander into political realms like we're going through today, the week we're having. 00:05:33.161 --> 00:05:40.071 If you haven't been anywhere in the world for the past, I don't know since Saturday. 00:05:40.071 --> 00:05:44.646 It's been a pretty interesting couple of days here, but keep out of that as well. 00:05:46.161 --> 00:05:50.369 I need a nap, I need a nap, I need a nap, yeah, so let's switch gears. 00:05:50.369 --> 00:05:58.593 I'm going to tell I've got a couple of stories that have happened to me the past few days and I just wanted to share nothing. 00:05:58.593 --> 00:06:00.298 I don't know we're. 00:06:00.298 --> 00:06:01.680 If we discuss, we discuss. 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:03.122 If not, we'll just move on to the next. 00:06:03.122 --> 00:06:16.351 So one of my things the president of my company is pretty strong about me actually running the new hire orientations, and then not only me running it, but each of the directors. 00:06:16.351 --> 00:06:25.180 If you're talking about project controls, the director of project controls is coming the high level for the new hires to get to know everybody. 00:06:25.180 --> 00:06:39.348 But I'm sort of in there all day coordinating and I'm g-chatting the next person saying, okay, you're up in five minutes, if I remember I'm very bad about uh, I'm very bad about remembering the oh, yeah, yeah, ping the next person and and things like that. 00:06:39.369 --> 00:06:40.451 So we, that's what we do. 00:06:40.451 --> 00:06:47.444 Well, one of the the speakers I'm going to let this person rename, nameless or by title or name or anything like that. 00:06:47.444 --> 00:06:52.283 Like I said, a couple of people from the work listen and they will know, but one person. 00:06:52.283 --> 00:06:56.903 They start off the very first thing they say after the intros and all that and who they are and what they do. 00:06:56.903 --> 00:07:01.533 They say I can't stand reading verbatim from PowerPoint slides. 00:07:01.533 --> 00:07:05.569 Yet for the next half hour we get letter for letter. 00:07:05.569 --> 00:07:20.822 And not only are they reading letter for letter off the PowerPoint slides, they are butchering it the same thing they've been saying for years and they are talking very robotic, like they are actually reading this. 00:07:21.583 --> 00:07:24.848 And it's so painful for me. 00:07:24.848 --> 00:07:26.612 I'm just sitting there at this point. 00:07:26.612 --> 00:07:31.850 A lot of times I'm checking my email and trying to, because orientation lasts half a day. 00:07:31.850 --> 00:07:37.896 I'm trying not to fall behind on the rest of my duties while other people are speaking. 00:07:37.896 --> 00:07:58.392 But it's just like and I'm so tempted to pull like Christine Applegate did to Ron Burgundy in Anchorman just change the teleprompter and make it say something completely ridiculous and she would read that shit straight on through without even realizing what she's saying. 00:07:58.392 --> 00:08:01.141 Part of me just wants to do that. 00:08:01.141 --> 00:08:02.583 So bad, just because I'm an asshole sometimes. 00:08:02.583 --> 00:08:03.023 That's the worst. 00:08:03.023 --> 00:08:04.043 It would make it fun for me at least. 00:08:04.064 --> 00:08:05.805 But anyways, part of me just wants to do that so bad just because I'm an asshole. 00:08:05.826 --> 00:08:07.908 sometimes that's the worst, it would make it fun for me at least. 00:08:08.048 --> 00:08:34.030 But anyways, let's see here and the second thing I put, it's just a one-liner here Example of no good deed goes unpunished A situation where someone on my team went the extra mile for one employee and somebody else got jealous and got butt hurt that nobody's gone the extra mile for them and I'm like I've never known you need any assistance. 00:08:34.030 --> 00:08:39.648 But anyways, I'm just like that sucks yeah. 00:08:39.648 --> 00:08:44.270 And I don't want my person to think they should not do that. 00:08:44.270 --> 00:08:46.366 I'm very proud of what they did, right. 00:08:49.660 --> 00:08:51.567 No good deed goes unpunished. 00:08:51.567 --> 00:09:01.254 Yeah, so one of my security blanket or comfort blanket shows is the show Superstore. 00:09:01.580 --> 00:09:02.563 Yes, you've talked about that. 00:09:03.407 --> 00:09:11.311 I love that show but if you've never heard of it, it's very much like the Office and it's very much like Parks and Recreation Of that nature. 00:09:11.311 --> 00:09:32.260 But it's a show that happens in, like this fictional version of Walmart, and it's everyone who works there and they're mostly all like floor workers and there's like one episode episode it was like one of the first episodes and one of the main characters tells another main character you don't help people here. 00:09:32.260 --> 00:09:49.514 Helping people is like quicksand, it'll suck you down and the whole episode is like just people, like no good deed goes unpunished and at the end they all have to take a sexual harassment course so it's a great show, again if you've never watched it give it a watch. 00:09:49.533 --> 00:09:50.836 I keep meaning to watch that. 00:09:50.836 --> 00:09:55.260 As you've spoken about it a couple times, I've heard other people speak about it, I keep meaning to. 00:09:55.260 --> 00:10:00.932 I'm I'm back on my food network addiction, watching old shows and crap like that. 00:10:00.932 --> 00:10:02.986 And then, of course, we lost ann burrell. 00:10:02.986 --> 00:10:03.730 We lost ann Burrell. 00:10:03.730 --> 00:10:05.840 We lost Anne Burrell last week, I heard. 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:14.625 I've been you know she was on Iron Chef like 25 plus years ago and I've just seen her on Food Network and those shows forever. 00:10:14.625 --> 00:10:27.369 I've been a Food Network junkie for that long and if, like my wife, her TV noise, if you will, is investigation, discovery and all that true crime stuff. 00:10:27.649 --> 00:10:27.990 Oh, yeah, yeah. 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:42.086 My TV noise is Food Network and so if I'm just sitting there scrolling through Facebook or doing something else completely mindless, you can pretty much guarantee Food Network is on in the background and I just love it. 00:10:42.086 --> 00:10:43.586 But anyways, yeah. 00:10:43.586 --> 00:10:55.456 So here is a question I was asked just earlier this week and it's just too perfect of a question to not talk about. 00:10:56.239 --> 00:10:57.846 I'm here for it and I wrote it down word for word. 00:10:58.321 --> 00:10:59.404 They caught me in the hallway. 00:11:00.327 --> 00:11:00.548 Okay. 00:11:00.921 --> 00:11:04.294 I have a question about the handbook, so I'm going to stop there. 00:11:04.294 --> 00:11:05.099 I hear that and I'm going to stop there. 00:11:05.099 --> 00:11:09.049 I hear that and I'm thinking, yes, somebody's read it and wants to know. 00:11:09.049 --> 00:11:18.188 Actually, I'm currently working on handbook updates and things and I was like, oh, maybe this is something I can add to clarify if they have a question, maybe something wasn't crystal clear. 00:11:18.188 --> 00:11:31.480 But they go on and then it goes from here how many days bereavement do I get for my sister-in-law passing away? 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:38.720 So in their question they acknowledge they know the answer is going to be in the handbook, correct. 00:11:39.899 --> 00:11:41.405 But they don't go to the freaking handbook to get that answer. 00:11:41.405 --> 00:11:44.034 We just used you like a personification of Ask Jeeves. 00:11:44.034 --> 00:11:50.784 Yes, we just used you like a personification of Ask Jeeves yes, Ask Jeeves Can you please regurgitate something from the handbook, because I am too lazy to look it up. 00:11:51.548 --> 00:11:51.969 Exactly. 00:11:51.969 --> 00:11:56.022 But I honestly had my little Toby moment I got excited about. 00:11:56.022 --> 00:12:04.667 You know, toby gets to break out his book and he gets to do some real HR work, like later way down the road, and he's all excited and into it. 00:12:04.667 --> 00:12:13.220 And I'm like, oh, somebody read the handbook and I'm thinking, like I said, I'm doing handbook updates and there's a couple of things I think could be clarified. 00:12:13.220 --> 00:12:15.347 I'm like, ooh, like this will be opportunity for me to find out. 00:12:15.347 --> 00:12:17.520 Maybe something else isn't cleared I can update. 00:12:17.520 --> 00:12:28.524 But no, you asked me a question acknowledging that the answer is in the handbook and I still answered acknowledging that the answer is in the handbook and I still answered I'm a. 00:12:28.524 --> 00:12:28.644 I'm a. 00:12:28.644 --> 00:12:29.447 You know, I'm jaded on the podcast. 00:12:29.447 --> 00:12:29.868 I'm jaded at home. 00:12:29.868 --> 00:12:30.028 I'm not. 00:12:30.028 --> 00:12:30.769 I I shouldn't say I'm not. 00:12:30.769 --> 00:12:38.090 I try my hardest not to be jaded at work, but yeah, I'm really not jaded this podcast. 00:12:38.169 --> 00:12:40.975 It really just it's not jaded. 00:12:40.975 --> 00:12:45.999 Okay, I'm gonna really I'm gonna try to look this up really quick. 00:12:46.198 --> 00:12:46.360 Okay. 00:12:46.480 --> 00:13:00.653 Because you said something about the handbook and that reminded me of a post I saw last night on Human Resources Reddit that made me crack up. 00:13:00.653 --> 00:13:03.736 Let's see, okay, here we go. 00:13:03.736 --> 00:13:06.285 We're going off script today. 00:13:06.285 --> 00:13:17.284 Okay, so this was on the human resources subreddit and it says we have an employee that is oftentimes not wearing a bra to work. 00:13:17.284 --> 00:13:36.886 Some days it is not extremely noticeable because she wears blazers and sweaters, but other days and this is the quote from the reddit post from the manager they are just out there okay so we are a government entity and often deal with members of the public. 00:13:37.528 --> 00:13:39.115 Any advice on approaching this? 00:13:39.657 --> 00:14:06.918 we require business dress and would like her to wear a bra oh gosh, I don't want to touch this one with a 10-foot I don't want to so I think there's actually been case law, and it's in the back of my mind that that can be discriminatory, requiring certain undergarments for women that aren't required for men, and and things like that so, oh yeah. 00:14:06.958 --> 00:14:10.586 So anyway, someone did say like I don't see this going well for you. 00:14:10.586 --> 00:14:28.462 You can have that conversation, but then go right to your legal department because you're going to need them yes go to your legal department first, then have a conversation and then there are some people who are like you. 00:14:28.462 --> 00:14:37.211 You might have to talk to her about what professional conduct means in the handbook and everyone's like I don't want to touch this, like nobody. 00:14:37.871 --> 00:14:52.726 No one wanted this, so anyway nobody wants to touch it, but, as hr, it's one of those things you're going to get reeled into and it depends on how visible everything is and things like that. 00:14:52.726 --> 00:14:54.466 Are they hanging low? 00:14:54.466 --> 00:14:55.368 Are they hanging out? 00:14:55.368 --> 00:14:57.548 Is it very cold in there? 00:14:57.548 --> 00:14:58.649 I don't know. 00:15:00.291 --> 00:15:03.032 I think the issue is that it's very cold. 00:15:03.292 --> 00:15:05.352 So I think everyone's just like. 00:15:05.933 --> 00:15:06.573 Everybody knows. 00:15:07.434 --> 00:15:09.975 The other piece of it is like really man, like. 00:15:09.975 --> 00:15:12.918 Why is the man really Like? 00:15:12.918 --> 00:15:17.302 I don't know, it's just, it's a dumb conversation to have. 00:15:17.302 --> 00:15:21.366 But something came up in the handbook about it being like, like how you put dress code in the handbook. 00:15:21.366 --> 00:15:24.144 I thought it was an interesting rabbit hole to go down. 00:15:24.144 --> 00:15:28.993 The consensus in that group was don't even fucking think about it. 00:15:29.253 --> 00:15:29.553 Yeah. 00:15:29.673 --> 00:15:34.691 Unless you're going to, unless you're going to, mandate all the men to like cover their nipples then, you. 00:15:34.691 --> 00:15:37.644 You have no nothing to stand on. 00:15:38.307 --> 00:16:09.211 Exactly, and and then being a man, hr, which we're going to discuss a little bit later, there's like so I'm coming out of that conversation as a creep, no matter how much time I spend wordsmithing it and trying to be politically correct, I'm going to be the creepster, I'm going to be the I don't know what the word is, but I'm going to be the shunned person for that, yeah, and let's see here. 00:16:09.211 --> 00:16:12.268 So, okay, this is today. 00:16:12.268 --> 00:16:17.830 Just this morning this occurred, and so this is the. 00:16:17.830 --> 00:16:20.057 Am I the asshole, is Warren the asshole? 00:16:20.539 --> 00:16:22.485 And generally, speaking the answer is yes. 00:16:22.485 --> 00:16:29.514 But where I work, new employees have to do eight hours of DOD training. 00:16:29.514 --> 00:16:39.499 It's done on external websites through the DCSA or what I don't even know the acronyms or anything like that, but it's done externally. 00:16:39.499 --> 00:16:47.049 And then, as you're doing the training, the first page of this, when you get to the external trainings, you do your internal training too on this. 00:16:47.049 --> 00:16:55.870 But in the RLMS, the first page it goes to, it says you must download the course completion certificate and turn it into receive credit. 00:16:55.870 --> 00:16:57.514 That's on the overview page. 00:16:57.936 --> 00:17:07.311 Then you get to the individual module and it says the exact same thing you must download the course completion certificate and turn it into HR to receive credit. 00:17:07.311 --> 00:17:21.612 Then you go to the external site and in bold letters now there's a lot of verbiage here so this one can be lost but the external site at the DCSA says you must print or save a local copy of the certificate as proof of course completion. 00:17:21.612 --> 00:17:27.189 Cdse does not maintain course records of completion and so anyways. 00:17:27.189 --> 00:17:34.460 So, and then the website, the external website right before, shows you your certificate. 00:17:34.460 --> 00:17:36.268 It tells you again so that's four times. 00:17:36.268 --> 00:17:39.416 You're being told download the certificate, download the certificate. 00:17:39.416 --> 00:17:47.435 New employee not very technical, friendly person goes through, does all his training and did only well. 00:17:47.435 --> 00:17:49.640 He downloaded two of the certificates. 00:17:50.845 --> 00:17:51.445 Two of four Halfway there. 00:17:51.726 --> 00:17:54.509 Well, there's like six of them, so he downloaded two of the certificates, two of four Halfway there. 00:17:54.609 --> 00:17:59.394 Well, there's like six of them, so he did two of six that he had to do, but it tells you four times that it's in there, anyways. 00:17:59.394 --> 00:18:09.449 So I'm telling him well, unfortunately, you're going to have to go back and redo these, and these are not trainings that you can just click next, next, next, next and get through one, like a lot of training you can. 00:18:09.449 --> 00:18:19.815 You know, you have to wait for the play bar to get all the way to the other end of the screen before you can hit next, or the next screen doesn't even apply up here until you get to that point. 00:18:19.815 --> 00:18:24.107 So I tell him well, unfortunately, you're going to have to do this all again. 00:18:24.107 --> 00:18:26.512 So the employee is upset with me. 00:18:28.517 --> 00:18:36.289 So the manager comes to me and the manager says well, you only allow eight hours for training, how are we supposed to pay him for this? 00:18:36.289 --> 00:18:48.406 And I this is why I said this is a quote, not my problem I said we've already paid him for my training budget to do this, this training, so it's not coming from the training budget. 00:18:48.406 --> 00:18:54.872 You can talk to your VP about using overhead, using something else, but it's not coming from the training budget. 00:18:54.872 --> 00:18:58.035 And he did not like that. 00:18:58.035 --> 00:19:06.961 So what say ye in the L&D world of where we have to bill for training, allocate our hours and things like that. 00:19:06.961 --> 00:19:10.646 It's not coming out of my budget like that. 00:19:10.646 --> 00:19:13.798 Where I'm not, it's not coming out of my budget. 00:19:17.685 --> 00:19:21.265 I would say that this person has failed on their first day and they are to immediately be sent home. 00:19:21.285 --> 00:19:21.325 No. 00:19:22.185 --> 00:19:24.010 And the thing is they are a. 00:19:24.010 --> 00:19:26.557 They're not going to work with computers. 00:19:26.557 --> 00:19:27.146 They're not going to. 00:19:27.146 --> 00:19:29.173 They're going to work with computers once a year. 00:19:29.173 --> 00:19:32.692 They're annual training, which is good Looks like next year is going to be really fun for us. 00:19:32.692 --> 00:19:34.409 And then open enrollment. 00:19:34.409 --> 00:19:38.209 They'll have to do annual training, but, yeah, they're not going to be. 00:19:38.209 --> 00:19:44.194 Well, they have to do their time cards online, but I think we've got that covered pretty well. 00:19:44.194 --> 00:19:49.474 But, yeah, you've got two of them done. 00:19:50.076 --> 00:20:05.133 I don't know, it's just you have to do it now, like I said, the one page where it says on the front page of the external page, where it says that the, where it says you must download and they don't record taking it, or whatever it says it does not maintain records of course, completions. 00:20:05.133 --> 00:20:08.794 That's buried in just a ton of verbiage. 00:20:08.794 --> 00:20:13.526 So you know, you know, unless you know, it's there Anyways. 00:20:13.526 --> 00:20:15.727 So that was my this morning type thing. 00:20:15.727 --> 00:20:18.749 So let's get to the meat and potatoes. 00:20:18.749 --> 00:20:26.173 You found this great article, just like we start recording at 830. 00:20:26.173 --> 00:20:34.517 I think you sent it to me after 8 pm, yeah, to look at and I was like you know, I've got a whole page of stuff to cover. 00:20:34.517 --> 00:20:36.178 I'm like Nope, this, this is it. 00:20:36.178 --> 00:20:39.019 This is going to be the the show today. 00:20:39.660 --> 00:20:42.842 I just want to say that this is, this is real time power of HR. 00:20:42.842 --> 00:21:00.434 This is I'm gonna let my secret go my weekly prompt, or my pre podcast prompt of give me a rundown of things that are relevant in HR in the news this week, and then it just tells me Okay, using AI, exactly. 00:21:00.434 --> 00:21:01.856 Oh, my gosh. 00:21:01.856 --> 00:21:04.441 Oh, by the way, my AI. 00:21:04.441 --> 00:21:06.749 I have personified it. 00:21:06.749 --> 00:21:08.291 It is my assistant. 00:21:08.291 --> 00:21:12.920 His name is so pierre did. 00:21:12.980 --> 00:21:27.556 Helps me with my research now, okay, I, I use I have gemini, which is all going to be replaced by I can't say it because the google assistant I'm looking to watch my monitor here behind me to save it listens in. 00:21:27.556 --> 00:21:29.510 But I made it a british female voice and my wife hates that. 00:21:29.510 --> 00:21:29.853 I was like it's. 00:21:29.853 --> 00:21:31.565 I've made it a British female voice and my wife hates that. 00:21:31.565 --> 00:21:34.334 I was like I made it personal and things like that. 00:21:35.204 --> 00:21:38.134 But with that, Kevin does the same thing. 00:21:38.134 --> 00:21:40.108 It's a British woman. 00:21:42.736 --> 00:21:43.017 I don't know. 00:21:43.017 --> 00:21:47.832 I think it's the best sounding voice overall Anglophile, I guess, but anyways. 00:21:47.832 --> 00:21:51.178 Yeah, but right now Jim and I still have the same voice. 00:21:51.178 --> 00:21:59.239 But I have gotten Jim and I to remember certain things, to say, okay, I'm getting ready to go to Costa Rica. 00:21:59.239 --> 00:22:15.433 I've programmed it to say teach me 10 phrases in Spanish a day, but when I ask you to do that, make sure it is pertinent to Costa Rica, because they give me Barcelona, or you would say Barthelona, as they would say. 00:22:15.433 --> 00:22:21.711 Different things mean you know different contexts of Spanish all over the world and anyways. 00:22:21.711 --> 00:22:34.987 So I've been trying to do that, as I've embarrassed myself too many times trying to remember my junior high Spanish and failing I've probably told the story on the podcast before. 00:22:35.227 --> 00:22:42.169 We were in Puerto Rico visiting my sister as a house there and we were in a parking garage trying to get out. 00:22:42.169 --> 00:22:44.515 I'm actually doing really well speaking Spanish. 00:22:44.515 --> 00:22:49.916 Mid-sentence I switched straight over to German and my kids are in the backseat laughing. 00:22:49.916 --> 00:22:55.813 I used to speak German very fluently, got a German scholarship and things like that. 00:22:56.173 --> 00:23:01.794 And I didn't realize it until we left and my daughter and son were just like in tears. 00:23:01.794 --> 00:23:09.394 My wife doesn't have a clue what I'm saying in any language, even English, but they said you weren't speaking Spanish, dad'm like what? 00:23:09.394 --> 00:23:09.634 And? 00:23:09.634 --> 00:23:12.279 And I was like what I didn't say anyway. 00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:26.625 So yeah, but I love the way you can personalize it and give it commands and give it like I ask it for things about podcasts and I I've set it up to find information for about jaded hr, if it's ever mentioned. 00:23:26.625 --> 00:23:28.307 It hasn't been mentioned, but once yet. 00:23:28.307 --> 00:23:31.291 But but see if we get any mentions and things like that. 00:23:31.291 --> 00:23:34.955 So anyhow, back to the story. 00:23:35.497 --> 00:23:43.530 This stupid story, All right Well okay, it's both got me thinking get me fired up. 00:23:43.530 --> 00:23:49.039 As I said, it did get me fired up when you sent it to me, but there's some points to it. 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:58.172 In HR, when you give a review, some managers like to give you some good news, then the bad news and then the good news again, and I call it the shit sandwich, because nobody hears. 00:23:58.172 --> 00:24:03.873 The employee only hears the good stuff at the ends and doesn't hear what they need to hear in the middle. 00:24:03.873 --> 00:24:06.723 Well, this will be an open face shit sandwich. 00:24:06.723 --> 00:24:13.457 I'm going to start by saying some good things about this article, but then the rest of it shit. 00:24:14.419 --> 00:24:17.289 I am Well as we talk about this. 00:24:17.289 --> 00:24:20.656 I was very heated about this at first. 00:24:20.798 --> 00:24:21.097 Okay. 00:24:21.704 --> 00:24:27.877 And then, as I was like piecing things together, I was like that meme with the woman in the math. 00:24:27.877 --> 00:24:33.453 I was like, oh, I see what this is, so we'll get to that in a second. 00:24:33.453 --> 00:24:34.868 Okay, oh, okay I'll let you. 00:24:34.888 --> 00:24:36.092 I was gonna say, give us your theory. 00:24:36.132 --> 00:24:44.547 What you're thinking is, I had a theory, a similar theory no, because I feel like once we go through this, I feel like our audience will be catching on pretty soon too. 00:24:44.547 --> 00:24:55.861 So yeah, so there's an article in the the New York Post and it was by a woman named Jennifer Say S-E-Y. 00:24:55.861 --> 00:25:04.000 So she's a former Levi's brand manager or brand president, and she started a startup company and she decided to write this like op-ed. 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:20.387 So the company is called XX x x y athletics and it is the company is to protect women's sports, so you know I'm gonna stop you there's. 00:25:20.848 --> 00:25:23.654 That's where I was going to give it two giant thumbs up. 00:25:23.654 --> 00:25:29.048 Okay, because you know I'm not going to try. 00:25:29.048 --> 00:25:30.931 I'm going to try my hardest and I get a bit political. 00:25:30.931 --> 00:25:40.942 But where I really feel strongly about is men competing as women in women's sports. 00:25:40.942 --> 00:25:49.056 We saw in the Olympics the boxing debacle, the Canadian lady who would not box, the Russian man, and things like that. 00:25:49.056 --> 00:25:55.628 I, you know if someone wants to be trans or it doesn't affect me in any way, shape or form. 00:25:55.628 --> 00:26:11.077 But when I see, especially in a sport like boxing or some of these other sports, where these men are, it's just abuse of of women at that point so I'm against. 00:26:11.077 --> 00:26:13.621 You can be trans, you can be. 00:26:13.621 --> 00:26:18.554 If you're going to compete, you have to compete at the right level. 00:26:18.554 --> 00:26:20.878 I mean, go, I'll try and go. 00:26:21.266 --> 00:26:27.346 Go back to the seventies when Billie Jean King used to play Arthur Ashe, the two best tennis players at the time in the world. 00:26:27.346 --> 00:26:31.835 Billie Jean King couldn't keep up with Arthur Ashe. 00:26:31.835 --> 00:26:41.708 In golf there's been the best female golfers playing some of the best men and it doesn't end up well In sports. 00:26:41.708 --> 00:27:01.349 You see what's made all the headlines a couple of years ago and I can't remember the girl's name or the man's name, the female swimmer I think she's from Georgia and the man swimmer who competed for multiple years as a man I can't remember either names, but he was like ranked like 200 in men as a man. 00:27:01.349 --> 00:27:05.778 Then he became a woman and was the top ranked woman, etc. 00:27:05.778 --> 00:27:08.468 So it's yeah, I don't believe. 00:27:08.468 --> 00:27:14.377 Even if it's not physical competition like contact competition, I don't believe that. 00:27:14.377 --> 00:27:15.420 That's my own opinion. 00:27:15.420 --> 00:27:17.653 I'll just sort of live and die on that. 00:27:17.653 --> 00:27:20.990 But I do applaud that. 00:27:20.990 --> 00:27:27.680 That's what her company basis is for, because I would not want my daughter I don't know playing racquetball. 00:27:30.386 --> 00:27:49.294 The cards are stacked against you physiologically, and yeah, I wasn't even going like whoa, no, no, like I was just saying that this, so, as we're going to dig into this, it's not even whether or not you're totally you know, we are not a political podcast, I'm just like you're totally entitled to your opinion. 00:27:49.715 --> 00:28:04.654 But I'm saying I think what I was going to say was I think this is a strategic move and this is nothing but rage bait to promote her company, which, bing, bing, bing, bing or not, yes, and that's what I was going to say. 00:28:04.654 --> 00:28:07.207 I don't think this has anything to do with. 00:28:07.207 --> 00:28:30.871 Like her, she just wants to say something provocative so that we all kind of and she knows, I mean honestly like I think there's, she's clearly very as we go through it, she clearly has political beliefs and she is using those political beliefs as we go through her thoughts on hr and dei, and I think that's what this is. 00:28:30.871 --> 00:28:44.950 This is just a rage-baity article that is going to be like I'm the next company that's going to eliminate HR and it's like no, you're not, you're going to have fucking problems is what you're going to fucking have because you don't have HR. 00:28:48.505 --> 00:28:50.326 You've said absolutely everything. 00:28:50.326 --> 00:28:51.906 I've seen as I read the article. 00:28:51.906 --> 00:28:53.126 That was the good piece of the shit. 00:28:53.126 --> 00:28:53.948 You've said absolutely everything. 00:28:53.948 --> 00:28:54.948 I've seen as I read the article. 00:28:54.948 --> 00:28:56.828 That was the good piece of the shit sandwich. 00:28:56.828 --> 00:28:59.611 The rest of it is not going. 00:28:59.611 --> 00:29:06.394 I'm not going to agree with this person on a lot, but I do think it is an op-ed. 00:29:06.394 --> 00:29:08.454 Anybody can write an op-ed. 00:29:08.454 --> 00:29:09.276 It's well-written. 00:29:09.276 --> 00:29:11.576 I can't say anything bad about that. 00:29:11.696 --> 00:29:28.248 But I, so bad, just want to go line by line reading this article and stating what it is, because, honestly, I don't know any other way to do it, because I can't just pick a line here and a line there. 00:29:28.248 --> 00:29:37.980 It's like 80% of this article is provocative to the point that we've got to say something about it. 00:29:38.346 --> 00:29:46.268 She argues that HR today is more about ideological policing than supporting people or profits, and this is a quote from her. 00:29:46.268 --> 00:29:49.635 So HR once protected companies from lawsuits. 00:29:49.635 --> 00:29:58.394 Now it's a woke mob enforcing DEI ideology and yeah, which I love that garbage. 00:30:02.580 --> 00:30:19.385 So, yeah, I'm like just lockstep with everything you've said on this, but one thing that stood out in terms of making this be a self-promotion article versus a true op-ed article let's say something inflammatory. 00:30:19.385 --> 00:30:26.888 They'll get picked up a lot of places and if you're going to get picked up somewhere, the New York Post is not a bad place to do it. 00:30:26.888 --> 00:30:46.448 But she talks about her Instagram post that said the exact same thing when she announced I want to be the first company without HR, and the audience went wild and the line went viral in an Instagram post with over 5 million views. 00:30:46.448 --> 00:30:47.529 That tells me everything. 00:30:47.529 --> 00:30:48.250 That paragraph tells me. 00:30:48.250 --> 00:30:58.034 Yeah, this is self-promotion with some clickbait in it to get the HR people reading it, and things like that. 00:30:58.034 --> 00:31:00.522 So, yeah, I think. 00:31:01.565 --> 00:31:17.835 I think my favorite quote is when she said I'm gonna misquote it but she basically said I'm running a business and I don't need the women of the view walking around the office policing what people can and cannot say. 00:31:17.835 --> 00:31:22.250 And I was like, well, that's just fucking misogynistic, first of all. 00:31:22.250 --> 00:31:26.948 Second of all, okay, so we got a glimpse of Warren's point of view. 00:31:26.948 --> 00:31:34.051 Now we're getting a glimpse of Christina's point of view, Because I'm like, honestly, I'm a little bit of like a staunch feminist. 00:31:34.051 --> 00:31:50.424 So when I hear people turning HR into like it's like the women's club and it's the women's like and it's the mean girls of corporate and I think she actually said like the mean girls or the whatever sending out their corporate memos, I'm like fuck you. 00:31:50.424 --> 00:31:55.946 I'm so sorry, Like get, I didn't pray, you just me Coming from a feminist point of view. 00:31:56.299 --> 00:31:58.064 Think of it from a dude point of view. 00:31:58.064 --> 00:32:02.794 I don't know what it is, because she does harp on women. 00:32:02.794 --> 00:32:06.628 She does, and I know when I I've said it on the podcast probably before. 00:32:06.628 --> 00:32:14.470 You know all the HR, you know kindergarten teachers wearing their fuzzy sweaters and you know singing kumbaya and holding hands and things like that. 00:32:14.470 --> 00:32:17.275 I don't think that gets terribly misogynistic. 00:32:17.275 --> 00:32:20.711 It probably is, but not as bad as this lady gets. 00:32:20.711 --> 00:32:25.328 Because here we go, hr departments today are packed with Tracy Flicks. 00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:43.332 The way-too-eager high schooler played by Reese Witherspoon in the movie Election Flick is the archetypal head girl, a term derived from the British school system that is tight hierarchy of internal discipline and ambitious and officious with little actual skill or intellect. 00:32:43.332 --> 00:32:50.743 Hand razors like these are not selected to lead for their intelligence or ability, but conscientious and willingness to follow and uphold the rules. 00:32:50.743 --> 00:32:59.458 That's fine when HR had no power, and okay, that's fine when HR had no power, and okay this whole thing. 00:32:59.458 --> 00:33:02.268 And she was with Levi's and she was with these other companies you mentioned. 00:33:02.268 --> 00:33:12.166 It sounds like she's never been involved with a real professional HR team or real HR professionals. 00:33:12.166 --> 00:33:15.000 I'll say it any number of times HR. 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:23.410 The reason we are the laughingstock of professions is oh, you were a good fill in the blank, you'll be great in HR. 00:33:23.410 --> 00:33:46.205 And we get the wrong people who want to have a pizza party, who want to put up a really pretty bulletin board and have an employee of the month type thing all the fun, cool kumbaya type stuff, but it doesn't cut it when the shit hits the fan, it really doesn't. 00:33:46.205 --> 00:33:50.769 So, yeah, I think she's been exposed to the wrong HR. 00:33:51.371 --> 00:34:10.452 Let's see here what I had and you mentioned about the wanting to police the words you say In 30, almost 30 years of working in HR, yes, I have told people they can't say words, but they're usually some really big, important words that we're not going to be. 00:34:10.452 --> 00:34:17.777 I'm not going to say on the podcast, say on the podcast, and those are the type of words I've had to have the wonderful conversations. 00:34:17.777 --> 00:34:24.425 We don't say these at work or this is why you're being fired because you have said these at work, type things. 00:34:24.425 --> 00:34:29.619 I've never told somebody they can't say a certain word now, but she goes on. 00:34:29.619 --> 00:34:32.965 I want to scroll down to the oh anyways. 00:34:33.286 --> 00:34:52.329 And now in the 2020s, hr asserts its newly found clout with tyrannical zeal Tyrannical zeal, Tyrannical zeal yeah but let me scroll to the end here, where she said something oh okay, my company is a walking talking HR violation. 00:34:52.329 --> 00:34:55.228 She says we misgender all day long. 00:34:55.228 --> 00:35:00.385 In fact, speaking the truth, as I call it, is required to work here. 00:35:00.385 --> 00:35:02.311 We're not in school anymore. 00:35:02.311 --> 00:35:07.625 We don't need a persnickety mismanners adequate enforcer telling us to be nice. 00:35:08.467 --> 00:35:11.233 How dare we treat someone the way they want to be treated? 00:35:13.101 --> 00:35:25.170 So, yeah, by saying and promoting that what're doing, what she's doing, she's going to find and knock on wood, I have not found this employee yet. 00:35:25.170 --> 00:35:26.813 But there are those employees out there. 00:35:26.813 --> 00:35:30.262 They're just looking to get hired so they can sue your ass. 00:35:30.262 --> 00:35:46.996 And so they're going to hire someone that they don't know is trans or I don't even know all the correct terminology not cis, male or whatever the right thing is to say. 00:35:46.996 --> 00:35:49.568 I'm too old to follow all that stuff. 00:35:49.568 --> 00:36:02.255 But anyways, and that person is going to sue them and they're going to refer to this article where she says oh yeah, in June of 2025, she says we intentionally do it and it is required at our job. 00:36:02.255 --> 00:36:09.070 And this is why you need an HR person, asshole, I tell you, because you are going to get yourself sued. 00:36:09.070 --> 00:36:17.614 And, yes, that's part of what HR does is we do help enforce, trying to keep your ass out of a sling as much as we can. 00:36:17.614 --> 00:36:22.367 But anyways, I'll continue to go on, go it alone without HR. 00:36:22.367 --> 00:36:30.271 So I'll assume the so-called risk so I can lead in my own voice and all the things she says throughout here that HR does. 00:36:30.271 --> 00:36:33.184 Hr is not the one making those decisions. 00:36:33.184 --> 00:36:38.525 It's either A, a law, b coming from the C-level suite, that this is what we're going to do here. 00:36:38.525 --> 00:36:45.108 And even if HR said, hey, demi, that's not the best idea, nope, ceo says it's doing that, okay, we're doing that type of thing. 00:36:46.483 --> 00:36:47.847 She's never had good HR. 00:36:47.847 --> 00:36:50.380 Oh, there were some other good things, oh. 00:36:50.380 --> 00:37:02.164 So she interviewed in 2023 for CEO at an $8 billion retailer and she went through all this interview things and then her interview. 00:37:02.164 --> 00:37:05.952 My last interview was with the HR representative on the board. 00:37:05.952 --> 00:37:11.322 Her first question was will you apologize for what you've done and what I've done? 00:37:11.322 --> 00:37:14.030 I was an advocate for opening schools during COVID. 00:37:14.030 --> 00:37:14.731 Blah, blah, blah. 00:37:14.731 --> 00:37:16.865 That didn't matter to the HR lady. 00:37:16.865 --> 00:37:19.454 I violated her tightly enforced script. 00:37:19.454 --> 00:37:21.862 I didn't apologize and I didn't get the job. 00:37:21.862 --> 00:37:30.583 And then, over the last two decades this is great HR has gone from operational support to operation head. 00:37:30.583 --> 00:37:31.724 Girl hall monitor. 00:37:32.686 --> 00:37:39.563 Oh oh my gosh, they force feed trainings about acceptable language Once again. 00:37:39.563 --> 00:37:45.228 Never in my career have I done anything, done a training on an enforceable language. 00:37:45.228 --> 00:37:48.987 We're not going to have a training that says, okay, these are the words you don't use. 00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:50.905 George Carlton's skit. 00:37:50.905 --> 00:37:52.405 You have to say the same thing. 00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:54.565 These are the seven magic words. 00:37:54.565 --> 00:37:56.202 Well, there's more than seven nowadays words. 00:37:56.202 --> 00:37:57.143 Well, there's more than seven nowadays. 00:37:57.143 --> 00:37:58.728 But anyways, you don't say these things. 00:37:59.429 --> 00:38:00.550 They make merit out to be racist. 00:38:00.550 --> 00:38:01.813 That's just common sense in society. 00:38:02.981 --> 00:38:04.668 They make merit out to be racist. 00:38:04.668 --> 00:38:09.132 I mean, they set out a criteria based on risk avoidance rather than excellence. 00:38:09.132 --> 00:38:18.739 Now, risk avoidance can go hand in hand with excellence If you have a well-treated, well-maintained workforce. 00:38:18.739 --> 00:38:19.601 That doesn't. 00:38:19.601 --> 00:38:24.793 She is going to be on like John Hyman's worst list of employers at some point. 00:38:24.793 --> 00:38:38.074 She's going to do something so ridiculously stupid that she's going to get the award for this, but anyways, yeah, oh, and she addresses us, calling her misogynistic. 00:38:38.074 --> 00:38:40.668 Am I being sexist and calling them head girls? 00:38:40.668 --> 00:38:45.971 In 2023, 76% of all HR managers in the US were female. 00:38:45.971 --> 00:38:49.347 The shoe fits and, yes, men can be head girl type too. 00:38:49.347 --> 00:38:55.012 These head girls make everyone add pronouns that are email signatures. 00:38:55.012 --> 00:38:59.248 It's just these time suckers should focus away from the business. 00:39:00.150 --> 00:39:00.831