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Speaker 2: Welcome to Jaded HR,
the podcast by two HR

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professionals who want to help
you get through the workday by

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saying everything you're
thinking, but say it out loud.

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I'm Warren.

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I'm Cece, all right, and I'm
going to keep that intro in

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there, as I saw it went down 5,
4, 3, 2, 1, and we were still

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talking, so I'm going to keep
that in there.

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That person is not one of my
favorite people on earth, but

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anyhow.

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So yeah, you know, we were just
talking off air.

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It seems like there was no big
deal or drama or anything from

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the SHRM conference.

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I didn't see any really I don't
know what demonizing posts

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about SHRM 2025.

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I didn't see anything terrific
either.

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I didn't see, and SHRM didn't
put a lot of stuff.

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I did look on LinkedIn a little
bit.

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I didn't spend a lot of stuff.

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I did look on linkedin a little
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I didn't spend a lot of time on
it but to see what sherm was

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posting about sherm 2025, and I
didn't see it was very quiet a

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heck of a lot I did see some
stuff.

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Speaker 3: I did see some
positive stuff on reddit.

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People said they got stuff out
of it.

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I was even on the, the
subreddit for hr, and someone

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was talking about some stuff.

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They learned about succession
and talent management and I'm

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like, ooh, I want to share your
notes and I was trying to, but

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no, I was just going to say.

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I just think that for the most
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time.

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So yay.

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Speaker 2: Well, we were also
talking off the fair that I

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hadn't listened to any podcasts
in about a month, but I listened

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to our episode from the
beginning of June this evening

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on my way home and, boy, I
uploaded the wrong episode with

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the edits and it was partially
edited and then the intro comes

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like midways.

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I didn't do my job, so the
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, and it was.

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It was really badly done.

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But one that came to mind
speaking of SHRM, and this

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popped in my head because you
wanted to go to the PSYOPs Is

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that what it's called, yeah,
convention?

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And I was like, what
organization out there is there

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that could potentially replace
SHRM?

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You know you have Hacking HR,
you have, oh, you have.

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There's a couple of contenders
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might be a topic for another
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And, dear listener, go to the
show notes and send us a text

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and give us your ideas of what
you think might be a replacement

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for SHRM is.

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I was thinking you have you
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that that could replace SHRM?

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So, anyways, we will, we will
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Speaker 3: I am very biased
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because it's, it's PSYOP the
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Organizational Psychology so
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like, but it is not SIOP, the
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Congress.

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That is not the SIOP I'm
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Speaker 2: I know nothing about
pediatric oncology.

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Yeah, that's something awful to
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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But no, I just did a really
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It came up number one.

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I was like I should probably
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It's more of a scientific
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I think some of the stuff you
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like the fluffy stuff, the
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that makes me roll my eyes
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pseudoscience, but PSYOP makes
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So that's why maybe that's the
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Speaker 2: I might check into
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really, really cool.

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But yeah, you were mentioning
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listening to on the way home
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I was like, oh okay.

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Well, there's two big things
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right now, and one being today,
July 8th, is the start of Amazon

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Prime week, so I am guilty of
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I bought myself it, so it was
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I do some woodworking on the
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I got a new pocket hole jig, so
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I got got a new pocket hole jig,
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I got myself a new pocket hole
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It's a Vivor, whatever the
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I've had a couple of those
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It's Chinese.

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It's not total crap, but it's,
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I'll take it, and I needed a
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it lasts me a project or two,
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That's why I bought for myself.

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I bought one thing on Amazon
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I did bookmark a couple things
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share with my wife see if we're
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But how about you?

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Did you do your online shopping
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Speaker 3: First of all, I just
need to ask are you like the

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real world version of ron
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Speaker 2: oh, many ways I am,
except he had an awesome head of

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hair.

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I used to claim myself as a
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but yeah, and strangely enough,
watching parks and rec, we wore

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a lot of the same wardrobe.

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The exact same like long sleeve
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The brand is Hagar long sleeve
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exact same ones that Ron Swanson
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And I remember one time we're
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says you're wearing the exact
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So yeah, I, I can be a bit of a
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I'm actually in the process
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When I was in the hospital I was
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I bought all the wood and
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Well, not, I thought I bought
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The kit company shorted me and
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a few times, but which is not
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doing that and so I didn't do it
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Memorial Day weekend, I did as
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Fourth of July weekend, until I
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But yeah, I love, I like
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with my hands, I like getting
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Yeah, I could definitely be
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I identify with him very much.

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Put those tears back in your
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Put those tears back in your
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Speaker 3: Put them back in your
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As for Amazon Prime, I didn't.

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Well, I did some shopping, so I
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I was actually looking out for
future CC because I did one of

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those things where I had things
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thought I ordered it but I
forgot.

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So, anyway, I remember today,
and like half the things or most

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, I would say like all of the
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were already in my shopping cart
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And then nothing really
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I just bought some new clothes
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electric toothbrush too.

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So yeah, I know we're brushing
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Speaker 2: So she's a big girl I
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walking.

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Walking doesn't last long
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And then that's.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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So, here's a funny story.

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I got up out of bed this
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stairs and my knee started to
randomly click.

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And I'm like, why is my knee
clicking as I go down the stairs

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And then I'm like, is this a
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thing that's just going to pass?

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So I'm like I need to get my
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control because I feel like the
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happen soon and I need to catch
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So yes, it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: I remember that age
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Yeah, let's see.

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Yeah, well, here's something
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I worked at a company once that
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day, once upon a time, they
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able to do it at work.

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And from Thanksgiving on,
anything retail would be blocked

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from work Really, yeah,
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things would be blocked from the
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I actually see that as worse
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are not doing their job.

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I looked at PrimeList for a
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whole jig.

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I was like, oh, 17 bucks sold.

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I didn't spend hours looking
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look after I got that.

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But anyways, I think by blocking
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harm than good.

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What are you going to do?

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You're going to reach and grab
your cell phone, which is less

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efficient, and you're gonna be
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your cell phone.

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If you're having a problem with
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shopping online, you handle that
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if it's, you know, cyber Monday
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it is, let it go to a certain
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I mean, don't let someone spend
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But for me today it was no
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I get a bug up my butt to say,
oh, I want to buy this, I want

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to buy that, I go online and I
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To buy that, I go online and I
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But I guess I spent a little
bit my 10 minutes browsing, 15

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minutes browsing, before I found
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I didn't know it was for sale
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, I should say, and I was like,
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extent of my shopping.

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But but what do you think about
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during either?

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That's so stupid.

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Speaker 3: I mean mean, like you
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it, they're going to do it.

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So and I I highly doubt that
the majority of people are going

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to be spending like five, six,
seven hours a day on the clock

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shopping.

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If anything, it might be like
10 minutes here, 15 minutes

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there.

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It's just such a small window
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I highly doubt it's really
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efficiency that much.

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I think it would be a waste of
time and it would be like it

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kills morale too.

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It just feels like big brother
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not trusted.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, it's a
morale issue too.

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Yeah, I didn't think of it that
way, but yes, I would be.

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I'd be irritated.

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I don't remember being
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company I worked for was
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Because what did I do?

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I picked up my phone and went
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Yeah, you know, and like I said
, it takes you for me as an old

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geezer type guy, it takes me
longer to shop online with my

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phone than it does on my
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I can knock something out real
quick there, but anyhow, that

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was another thing.

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But another milestone date
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Since we last recorded, it's
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Apple, of podcasts on Apple.

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That was June 28th 2025.

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Steve Jobs announced at the
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that Apple would be supporting
podcasts through iTunes.

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And if you YouTube the video of
Steve Jobs announcing it and

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he's talking about he's
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to podcasts, even though they've
been around before then.

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And he opens up and he puts up
in what?

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What five second blurb does he
get?

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He opens it up to adam curry,
who's known as the pod father.

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Now, if you, if you're of my age
, in my generation, you remember

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adam curry as the mtv vj in the
80s and 90s.

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But now, now he's the pod
father, he has like the first

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RSS feed for podcasts,
apparently, or something like

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that.

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But he's on.

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Steve Jobs clicks the button to
play a podcast and it's Adam

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Curry bitching about his Mac and
how bad it is and everything,

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and so you only get five seconds
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Some people say it was an
accident.

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Adam Curry says it was done
deliberately, as a jab

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apparently at the Mac
development team that Steve Jobs

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was not happy with at the time.

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Yeah, so we will never know,
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Speaker 3: I believe that
Because now that we know a

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little bit more about how well
okay, like Steve Jobs is was a

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brilliant person, but we also
now have a little more of about

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how well okay, like steve jobs
is a was a brilliant person, but

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we also now have a little more
of an inkling of his leadership

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style, which I would say is a
little unorthodox and, yes, you

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know, not a work environment
that I would like to work under,

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but I would say that that is
highly calculated because that

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seems like something he would do
and steve jobs is such a quirky

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individual.

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Speaker 2: You know the story
that sticks out in my mind his

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personal secretary was late to
work one day because her car

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wouldn't start, so he instantly
bought her a brand new car and

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it was something like expensive.

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I forget what it was and said
now never be late to work again

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and I will never be, late to
work.

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Speaker 3: I would never.

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If I was his assistant.

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I would never be late to work
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: If my boss just
bought me a brand new car, I

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would be like you know what?

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True.

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Speaker 2: Touche.

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You bought my loyalty.

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I have a price and you found it
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But it got me thinking because
he announced it in June of 2005,

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june 28th of 2005.

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And it was the next iteration
of the iTunes that allowed the

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podcast.

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But it got me thinking to the
first podcast I would listen to,

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and I've never been to Apple
person.

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I've never had iPod or anything
like that.

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I did have, oh gosh, what are
they called the iPod minis, the

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thing that was like a one inch
square thing back in the day.

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I got it as a gift or something
like that and I want to find it

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.

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I want to see what music is on
that thing here, whatever 30

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years later or whatever it is,
but anyway, so it's around

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somewhere.

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But the thing is, if I have a
charger for it, it's a whole

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nother thing.

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Speaker 3: You can find anything
on eBay.

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Right now I'm tracking down.

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It's not that hard to track
down, honestly, I just need to

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find one and buy it.

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But I have all these mini DV
tapes.

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They look like mini VHSs is what
they look like when I was in

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high school this is late 90s,
early 2000s.

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I was really into video editing
and video stuff Before content

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creation was a thing.

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I was leading the way and I
have all these tapes that I

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uncovered during moving and I
was like these tapes have so

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much footage of me from high
school and also projects I did,

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projects I edited.

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There's also like just fun
stuff I did with friends and I'm

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dying to get it.

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So the only way I think I can do
it is if I go on eBay and buy

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an old Handycam that had the
mini DVs and I can hook it up to

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my computer and extract the
audio, because otherwise you go

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on these other companies like
Legacy Box and stuff and it's

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for $10 per tape which you're
like that doesn't sound bad.

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But then I'm thinking about it
and I'm like I don't know what's

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on these tapes, like this could
be like 10 seconds of footage.

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I'm like going to pay $10 for
10 seconds of footage, you know.

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So I need to find a way to do
it myself.

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It's going to be more cost
effective.

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Speaker 2: But everything's on
ebay, all old electronics.

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I have my.

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Actually my wife and I had that
same conversation.

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I have our old videotape in it.

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I I don't know what type of
cassette it is anymore, but I've

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got a box of those cassettes of
like the kids growing up and

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and things like that and I I
want to get them digitized

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somehow.

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Maybe I'll find a way to
connect it to my computer so I

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can download and do it myself,
versus paying Legacy Box or

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someone like that.

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That would be pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: I just want to go
down like a random.

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This has nothing HR related,
more just like a huh moment.

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I was on Reddit and I'm in a
sub, like I'm in a subreddit

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called Gen X, and this person
posted, as Gen Z, like these

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movie clips, like movie stills
of it was can't hardly wait,

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clueless, and I want to say 10
things I hate about you.

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And all of the freeze frames
were from teen parties, like

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house parties.

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All of the freeze frames were
from teen parties, like house

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parties.

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And you know, this person said
was this real or was this just

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Hollywood making things up,
because I'm Gen Z and I've never

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been to a house party?

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And blah, blah, blah.

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And I had a moment of like, oh
no, like I'm just thinking,

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thinking yes, they were real.

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We all just kind of printed out
a map quest page and, like went

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to random houses that we heard
from other people, like we

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didn't know whose house that was
.

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We just showed up and had a
great time, like these were all

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real.

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And I'm like now thinking, oh
my god, is it true that gen z

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doesn't do that anymore?

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Speaker 2: no, no, that's crazy.

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I don't think they do.

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I really don't think they do.

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I, you know, before MapQuest
and things like that, it was

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just you would show up somewhere
and I don't know how you find,

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or out here in the sticks, where
are the bonfire parties?

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Just in the back of a farm
somewhere.

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And next thing you know, you
got 200 drunk teenagers out

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there and how the hell you knew
about it and where to go and

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when I I couldn't tell you.

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I guess you know the rumor mill
was pretty strong or what have

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you the the gossip, but yeah,
doing things.

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I remember I was at a bonfire
party, it was somewhere, and I

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had a two liter bottle of
Seagram's golden wine cooler.

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It's like the white claw, the
pre the predecessor of white

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claw, and you've got to look up
the old Bruce Willis commercials

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of him doing Seagram's golden
wine cooler commercials.

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But it was a two liter bottle
of it and I'm walking around,

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I'm lit with that stuff and the
police show up and there must

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have been like 20 police show up
and there's like 200 kids, and

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so I lived on the other side of
the woods so I didn't, I just

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ran.

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I didn't have to take the road
to to get home.

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So and I knew, knew the woods
pretty darn well that could get

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there through the night and
things like that.

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So the things you would do back
then that you can't do now,

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it's amazing.

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In college I didn't even finish
my podcast, so we'll get back to

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that.

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But in college in Greenville,
north Carolina, then I was

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walking home drunk as a skunk
under 21 years old and I had a

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super big gulp cup full of beer.

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Heading back to my house from a
party and a police officer

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shines his mega white light at
me.

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He doesn't even get out of the
car, he just gets on the little

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bullhorn thing, the speaker and
the whatever out of the car.

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He says pour it out.

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And I just poured it out.

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He said have a good night and
that's it.

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That's all there was.

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Now in Greenville kids get
tickets and they get busted for

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drinking and public intoxication
and open containers and things

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like that.

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I'm like as long as you weren't
doing something actively doing

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something stupid in the nineties
they didn't care.

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You know it was like, okay,
just just go.

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But nowadays they're they're
pretty strict on that stuff.

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So it is a different world.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, poor Gen Z
, no house parties, and they

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missed the work in an office, a
collaborative environment, five

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days a week and I feel a little
bad for them.

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I do.

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Speaker 2: Well, gen Z, I'll go
back to the podcast.

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I swear.

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But, Gen Z, I saw a thing on I
don't remember where if it was

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Reddit or if it was LinkedIn or
something like that.

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They're now calling what I
would term a vacation, a micro

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retirement.

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Google, real quick, micro
retirement, I'm taking a micro

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retirement or whatever.

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That's really funny and I'm
like yeah, it's called.

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It's called a vacation.

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Speaker 3: It's called PTO man
yeah.

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Speaker 2: What is micro?

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What is?

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I Googled it Fast Company,
which is another one of those

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shitty shitty news sites
clickbait, everything.

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What is micro retirement?

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The latest inside the latest
Gen Z trend First, taking

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deliberate short-term breaks
from your career to focus on

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personal interests and goals.

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It's a growing trend among Gen
Z and millennials seeking to

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prioritize well-being
experiences over traditional

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concepts of working continuously
until a single lengthy

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retirement period to end their
career.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand.

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That's literally just like a
wellness vacation.

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Like unplugging to work on
something on the side.

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Don't we do that?

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I don't understand the concept.

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Speaker 2: Are they taking long
spans of time.

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What I saw was they took this
person.

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The first thing I saw before I
just googled this was they took

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a two-week micro retirement.

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I'm like that's called a
vacation dude.

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But some of the reading online
right here right now it says

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some may or may not be employer
supported and things like that.

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To prevent burnout, focus on
creativity, innovation etc.

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Speaker 3: But no good for you.

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If you want to take a couple
weeks off to build a something

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in your backyard, then go, do it
like cool I will say I have my.

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My current company is
permissive pto, like we don't

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have accruals unless you're
hourly.

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There's different accruals, but
but yeah, like we, we do

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permissive policy and I've been
very on the fence about it

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because you know you read
research that says if you do

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permissive, people don't take
the time they need off yes but I

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will say I think my team and I
work in HR but I feel like our

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leadership does really good by
leading by example and using it

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and going on time and like
telling, like, like I hate to

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say granting permission, but
yeah, they are.

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They're granting permission by
example and I love it.

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I am now all for it, but I
think it only works when your

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leadership is ready for it and
can actually lead by example.

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But I would love to take a two
week micro retirement and go to

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I don't know.

469
00:23:03,127 --> 00:23:06,713
I would love to work on being a
mermaid, so I will go to a

470
00:23:07,517 --> 00:23:09,080
resort somewhere and just sit on
the beach.

471
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,556
That's my micro retirement.

472
00:23:11,632 --> 00:23:15,532
Speaker 2: But here's the second
search result Gen Z stupidly

473
00:23:15,614 --> 00:23:21,054
claims to have invented micro
retirement, and then it goes on

474
00:23:21,074 --> 00:23:24,951
to say Gen Z is claiming it and
taking vacations, anyway.

475
00:23:24,951 --> 00:23:26,637
So I'll get on for that.

476
00:23:27,490 --> 00:23:29,193
Speaker 3: That does remind me
of an episode of Parks and

477
00:23:29,213 --> 00:23:31,578
Recreation where she's like
you've had soy milk, you have

478
00:23:31,719 --> 00:23:33,222
almond milk, now it's beef milk.

479
00:23:33,222 --> 00:23:35,777
That's what it was, and she was
like it's fucking milk.

480
00:23:39,292 --> 00:23:40,699
Speaker 2: I haven't watched
Parks and Rec forever.

481
00:23:40,699 --> 00:23:42,315
I need to watch that.

482
00:23:42,315 --> 00:23:44,079
It's so funny.

483
00:23:44,079 --> 00:23:46,858
I'll go ahead back to
podcasting.

484
00:23:46,858 --> 00:23:52,082
I was trying to think of what
was the first podcast you

485
00:23:52,122 --> 00:23:52,682
listened to.

486
00:23:52,682 --> 00:23:55,236
Do you remember, damn?

487
00:23:57,309 --> 00:23:59,553
Speaker 3: So the first one that
comes to mind that I listened

488
00:23:59,573 --> 00:24:05,080
to religiously was a now defunct
podcast called an acquired

489
00:24:05,161 --> 00:24:10,193
taste, where it was three women
djs, like radio personalities,

490
00:24:10,595 --> 00:24:14,026
on a major thing and they their
own side project was.

491
00:24:14,026 --> 00:24:17,094
They just did a podcast with
the three of them and they're

492
00:24:17,233 --> 00:24:20,702
all kind of like have weird
interests and like you know

493
00:24:21,151 --> 00:24:24,659
different things that I really
resonated with and I would

494
00:24:24,700 --> 00:24:25,902
listen to them religiously.

495
00:24:25,902 --> 00:24:29,897
So an acquired taste podcast
RIP.

496
00:24:29,897 --> 00:24:33,163
Another one to the podcast
graveyard.

497
00:24:34,125 --> 00:24:38,037
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first one,
and I'm going to give credit to

498
00:24:38,718 --> 00:24:41,503
Patrick, our first co-host from
JDHR.

499
00:24:41,503 --> 00:24:44,057
The first one it was 2014.

500
00:24:44,057 --> 00:24:47,510
It was cereal and he was
talking about that and that's

501
00:24:47,631 --> 00:24:50,018
pre itunes and I can.

502
00:24:50,018 --> 00:24:53,728
I can remember going on to the
serial website to have to

503
00:24:53,788 --> 00:24:57,363
download the episodes and then
when you wanted episodes because

504
00:24:57,363 --> 00:25:00,491
I didn't know about rss feeds I
would just go to whatever

505
00:25:00,551 --> 00:25:03,776
website of whichever podcast I
was listening to at the time to

506
00:25:03,836 --> 00:25:08,402
download them and then I'd play
them on my music player,

507
00:25:08,442 --> 00:25:10,924
whatever I was using at that
time.

508
00:25:19,390 --> 00:25:21,633
But I really connected with
Serial on a different level

509
00:25:21,653 --> 00:25:23,394
because my first job out of
college I lived in Maryland and

510
00:25:23,414 --> 00:25:28,500
it referenced so many places I
knew between Baltimore and

511
00:25:28,862 --> 00:25:32,766
Patuxent Parkway and Patuxent
River Park and those areas.

512
00:25:32,766 --> 00:25:35,537
I could sit there even though
it's 2014,.

513
00:25:35,537 --> 00:25:36,721
I left there in 2001.

514
00:25:36,721 --> 00:25:38,829
I could sit there and still
picture those places.

515
00:25:38,829 --> 00:25:42,237
I've been these places that
they're talking about in the,

516
00:25:42,596 --> 00:25:46,491
the serial podcasts and things
like that, and so I got hooked

517
00:25:46,571 --> 00:25:49,924
on the serial and then I I think
two years later they had the

518
00:25:49,984 --> 00:25:50,567
next one.

519
00:25:50,567 --> 00:25:52,874
I never listened to the one
after the.

520
00:25:52,874 --> 00:25:54,597
The second one, oh is berg, was
it?

521
00:25:54,597 --> 00:25:56,020
Bergdahl was the second one?

522
00:25:56,020 --> 00:25:59,395
I think so anyways, but I can't
remember any of the other

523
00:25:59,455 --> 00:26:02,769
podcasts I was listening to
around that time frame.

524
00:26:02,769 --> 00:26:07,094
But we, we would talk about a
serial and that's what Patrick

525
00:26:07,114 --> 00:26:09,915
got me into podcasts, and that
was the first one we talked

526
00:26:09,935 --> 00:26:12,238
about and I listened to and I
listened to a few others, but I

527
00:26:12,258 --> 00:26:16,560
couldn't remember a single title
of what any of those were from.

528
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:17,361
Is work, career, hr related?

529
00:26:17,381 --> 00:26:27,215
Speaker 3: Yeah, Just a
roundabout way we're going to

530
00:26:27,236 --> 00:26:27,518
get there.

531
00:26:27,518 --> 00:26:32,117
So I was thinking about this a
couple weeks ago how, when I was

532
00:26:32,117 --> 00:26:38,749
in high school, I was, I wasn't
athletic, but I was into video,

533
00:26:38,749 --> 00:26:41,816
journalism, I was into
newspaper, I was into yearbook,

534
00:26:41,970 --> 00:26:45,833
I was into, like, creating
things, and I always wanted to

535
00:26:45,894 --> 00:26:46,576
create right.

536
00:26:46,576 --> 00:26:50,196
And for the longest time I
thought that I was going to be.

537
00:26:50,196 --> 00:26:53,813
I wanted to be a radio DJ and I
don't know why I just wanted to

538
00:26:53,813 --> 00:26:55,258
be an on-air personality.

539
00:26:55,258 --> 00:27:00,878
And you know then to the point
where I would go.

540
00:27:00,878 --> 00:27:03,596
We would, as a group for
yearbook, we would go to these

541
00:27:04,584 --> 00:27:07,474
high school publishing
competitions or conventions or

542
00:27:07,515 --> 00:27:11,222
whatever, and I would separate
from the group to go into the

543
00:27:11,390 --> 00:27:13,513
radio broadcasting like area.

544
00:27:14,236 --> 00:27:18,284
And now I'm sitting here and I'm
like, okay, so radio is dying.

545
00:27:18,284 --> 00:27:22,417
But now, like I'm on a podcast
and I'm doing podcasts, I'm

546
00:27:22,439 --> 00:27:26,372
doing a podcast at for my job,
I'm on a podcast and I'm doing

547
00:27:26,392 --> 00:27:27,413
podcasts, I'm doing a podcast
for my job.

548
00:27:27,413 --> 00:27:30,481
And I was thinking about all of
the weird ways where we have

549
00:27:30,501 --> 00:27:34,230
these loves as children or young
adults, of things that we want

550
00:27:34,250 --> 00:27:38,380
to do when we grow up and maybe
those things don't manifest the

551
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,115
way we think they do, but as we
get older they manifest in

552
00:27:42,154 --> 00:27:42,736
different ways.

553
00:27:42,736 --> 00:27:47,251
So like HR by day, podcasting
by night, kind of thing, and I

554
00:27:47,311 --> 00:27:50,560
think about that because, okay,
I have a 15-month-old.

555
00:27:50,971 --> 00:27:54,032
I also think about that with
Miss Rachel and for anyone who

556
00:27:54,654 --> 00:27:56,439
has like a toddler age, children
.

557
00:27:56,439 --> 00:28:00,535
You know, miss Rachel, she is
the end-all, be-all, she is her

558
00:28:00,575 --> 00:28:05,038
third parent, but she's like
another one where I look at who

559
00:28:05,278 --> 00:28:09,955
was a woman who wanted a singing
career and like if you go into

560
00:28:10,096 --> 00:28:12,560
Spotify, you can find her whole
albums.

561
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,275
She wanted like to, you know,
be a solo artist.

562
00:28:16,275 --> 00:28:20,784
It didn't pan out and she went
into teaching and now somehow

563
00:28:20,844 --> 00:28:23,501
she found herself as Miss Rachel
, where she is singing, where

564
00:28:23,521 --> 00:28:25,230
she is performing, where she is
creating.

565
00:28:25,230 --> 00:28:28,474
And I just thought that was
like interesting that you know,

566
00:28:29,056 --> 00:28:32,981
we go into these careers that
hopefully, like we might not be

567
00:28:33,041 --> 00:28:35,892
doing exactly what we wanted to
when we grow up, but we're doing

568
00:28:35,892 --> 00:28:39,138
elements that still bring us
joy that we had when we were

569
00:28:39,159 --> 00:28:41,022
children or when we were young
adults.

570
00:28:41,022 --> 00:28:45,040
So anyway, that was, yeah,
that's my deep thoughts for the

571
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:45,221
night.

572
00:28:46,191 --> 00:28:51,722
Speaker 2: So anyway, that's a
lot of we've been all over the

573
00:28:51,762 --> 00:28:53,215
place, but that's a good thing,
I think.

574
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:56,536
Speaker 3: We're riding the ADHD
train.

575
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:00,584
Speaker 2: Backwards, yeah,
backwards.

576
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:03,013
Speaker 3: And it's on fire.

577
00:29:03,013 --> 00:29:04,598
Yes.

578
00:29:06,291 --> 00:29:09,402
Speaker 2: Not for me today, but
, yeah, I know that feeling.

579
00:29:09,402 --> 00:29:14,479
So the HR story that I actually
prepared and I've had this on

580
00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:16,482
my show notes since May.

581
00:29:16,482 --> 00:29:22,281
Actually, the date of this
article is May 7th.

582
00:29:22,281 --> 00:29:27,436
It's from Eric Meyer and if you
don't subscribe to his

583
00:29:27,517 --> 00:29:31,417
newsletter, please do you follow
him on LinkedIn.

584
00:29:31,417 --> 00:29:33,856
Subscribe to his newsletter.

585
00:29:33,856 --> 00:29:35,596
It's really, really good.

586
00:29:35,596 --> 00:29:38,837
So here's the situation.

587
00:29:38,837 --> 00:29:41,757
There was a couple.

588
00:29:41,757 --> 00:29:43,376
They used to work together.

589
00:29:43,376 --> 00:29:47,012
The husband apparently got
terminated.

590
00:29:47,012 --> 00:29:47,573
It had been terminated.

591
00:29:47,573 --> 00:30:12,076
After the relationship ended,
he became hostile and began

592
00:30:12,096 --> 00:30:13,344
sending threatening messages to
the plaintiff, but she never

593
00:30:13,384 --> 00:30:14,509
reported them to her employer.

594
00:30:14,509 --> 00:30:18,857
Roughly a year later, the
assailant rented a car, put on

595
00:30:18,897 --> 00:30:22,713
his old company sweatshirt and a
freezer suit and waited outside

596
00:30:22,713 --> 00:30:23,355
the workplace.

597
00:30:23,355 --> 00:30:26,773
When an employee opened the
badge access door, he followed

598
00:30:26,814 --> 00:30:27,436
them inside.

599
00:30:27,436 --> 00:30:31,329
He located the plaintiff at her
desk, doused her with gasoline

600
00:30:31,490 --> 00:30:32,451
and set her on fire.

601
00:30:32,451 --> 00:30:33,835
Oh my gosh.

602
00:30:34,817 --> 00:30:38,263
She ended up suing, saying that
her company didn't, that they

603
00:30:38,309 --> 00:30:41,538
were negligent and they didn't
protect her.

604
00:30:41,538 --> 00:30:46,147
She said because the company
allowed ex-employees to keep

605
00:30:46,169 --> 00:30:50,130
their uniforms and they didn't
infer or spadge access security

606
00:30:50,752 --> 00:30:55,031
and guards failed to monitor the
cameras in real time and doors

607
00:30:55,071 --> 00:30:56,277
were always propped open.

608
00:30:56,277 --> 00:31:01,309
But anyways, the long story of
it is that she sued, she lost

609
00:31:02,251 --> 00:31:05,319
because the court said there's
no reasonable way you can

610
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,998
predict that this is going to
happen.

611
00:31:08,998 --> 00:31:11,545
He wrote I love about his
newsletter.

612
00:31:11,545 --> 00:31:14,252
If you subscribe to his
newsletter he has like a

613
00:31:14,313 --> 00:31:17,900
paragraph of what happened and
then the next paragraph it's set

614
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:20,873
aside by bars and it's the TLDR
.

615
00:31:20,873 --> 00:31:21,994
I love it.

616
00:31:22,336 --> 00:31:25,280
A federal appellate court held
up the employer was not liable

617
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,606
for negligence after a former
employee violently attacked a

618
00:31:28,646 --> 00:31:29,990
current employee at the facility
.

619
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:33,055
The court reasoned that even if
there were lapses in security,

620
00:31:33,355 --> 00:31:37,362
this calculated violent act was
so bizarre and so unforeseeable

621
00:31:37,541 --> 00:31:40,692
that it broke the chain of
causation Under law.

622
00:31:40,692 --> 00:31:42,776
No reasonable jury could find
that employer could have

623
00:31:42,816 --> 00:31:43,818
predicted this attack.

624
00:31:43,818 --> 00:31:45,923
So the employer couldn't be
liable.

625
00:31:45,923 --> 00:31:52,502
But just, I could not imagine
being an HR person.

626
00:31:52,502 --> 00:31:54,576
I couldn't imagine working
there and that situation

627
00:31:54,656 --> 00:32:00,538
happening period, but being in
HR and having to deal with that,

628
00:32:00,538 --> 00:32:07,290
the aftermath of that, the
lawsuit of that, that, the

629
00:32:07,330 --> 00:32:08,714
aftermath of that, the lawsuit
of that you got to believe that

630
00:32:08,755 --> 00:32:10,358
other employees that were not
involved quit, found other jobs,

631
00:32:10,358 --> 00:32:11,481
got the hell out of there like
whatever.

632
00:32:12,305 --> 00:32:16,820
Locally, not too well before I
moved to where I am now still in

633
00:32:16,820 --> 00:32:20,211
the same county, we had a
similar incident, kind of.

634
00:32:20,211 --> 00:32:23,258
A guy was trying to get back at
his ex.

635
00:32:23,258 --> 00:32:26,183
He filled his pickup truck with
up with hay.

636
00:32:26,183 --> 00:32:30,720
He poured gasoline all over the
pickup truck himself and filled

637
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,432
the truck up with gas
containers and he drove the

638
00:32:33,472 --> 00:32:36,140
truck into the building of the
office the office building she

639
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,575
worked in, and she was not hurt.

640
00:32:38,575 --> 00:32:39,017
Nobody.

641
00:32:39,017 --> 00:32:39,940
The only person was hurt.

642
00:32:39,940 --> 00:32:40,631
He died.

643
00:32:40,631 --> 00:32:41,913
The driver died.

644
00:32:41,913 --> 00:32:45,020
Everybody else made it out,
thankfully out of that, but

645
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,123
burned the building down.

646
00:32:46,123 --> 00:32:50,721
But just, you can't predict
anything.

647
00:32:50,721 --> 00:32:54,837
And then my HR question related
to this is how far are you

648
00:32:54,877 --> 00:32:56,361
going to go to get?

649
00:32:56,721 --> 00:33:00,798
If he's a driver, he's probably
got two, three dozen T-shirts

650
00:33:01,278 --> 00:33:09,711
for the company, t-shirts for
the company working places where

651
00:33:09,711 --> 00:33:10,553
people have had uniforms.

652
00:33:10,553 --> 00:33:11,756
I've never tried to recover
those uniforms.

653
00:33:11,756 --> 00:33:15,603
I don't want somebody's sweat,
stain, dirty uniform you can.

654
00:33:15,603 --> 00:33:16,630
You can keep it.

655
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:20,097
When I left that company is I
wore a uniform as well.

656
00:33:20,097 --> 00:33:22,242
Until I moved I had all my
shirts.

657
00:33:22,242 --> 00:33:25,461
And then I just contacted a
former employee or a former

658
00:33:25,502 --> 00:33:28,192
co-worker who's about my size,
and said hey, you know, I've got

659
00:33:28,192 --> 00:33:30,096
this stuff and I don't need it,
don't want it.

660
00:33:30,096 --> 00:33:33,740
And I offered it to him and he
swung by my house and picked it

661
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:35,268
up and and things like that.

662
00:33:35,288 --> 00:33:42,142
Speaker 3: but I was like yeah,
it's hard like so sometimes now,

663
00:33:42,142 --> 00:33:46,509
like knowing what I know, now
like or like piecing things

664
00:33:46,548 --> 00:33:46,849
together.

665
00:33:46,849 --> 00:33:51,900
There would always be I don't
know if it was a compliance

666
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,055
thing, but every once in a while
, when I was at my old company

667
00:33:55,134 --> 00:33:58,409
that was a big campus type setup
where there were the security

668
00:33:58,449 --> 00:34:01,576
guards at the front and the
badge ends with like four or

669
00:34:01,635 --> 00:34:05,483
five entries of access, with a
badge every once in a while we

670
00:34:05,503 --> 00:34:08,396
would get like a random, what
seemed to be out of the blue,

671
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:14,112
remind, heavy reminder, to be
like just remember, we do not

672
00:34:14,233 --> 00:34:17,559
allow people in unless they
badge, even if you know them

673
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:18,181
behind you.

674
00:34:18,181 --> 00:34:21,277
They must badge in like do not
let anyone, do not presume

675
00:34:21,317 --> 00:34:22,119
people like whatever.

676
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:25,911
And now I'm thinking like these
, these reminders would come out

677
00:34:25,911 --> 00:34:29,063
of the blue and I'm like but
were they like?

678
00:34:29,143 --> 00:34:32,454
Was it a situation where someone
could be like hey, I need to go

679
00:34:32,454 --> 00:34:35,847
talk to hr, I'm going through
like a bad situation at home, a

680
00:34:35,887 --> 00:34:40,539
bad breakup or something, and I
need to let people know because

681
00:34:40,619 --> 00:34:42,282
I'm afraid for my safety at work
?

682
00:34:42,282 --> 00:34:45,576
And then it kind of escalates
to just a blanket like hey,

683
00:34:45,655 --> 00:34:49,443
everybody, just a real friendly
reminder do not do X, y and Z,

684
00:34:49,463 --> 00:34:51,494
do not prop doors open, do not
let people in.

685
00:34:51,494 --> 00:34:56,248
And now I'm thinking I do agree
that the company should not be

686
00:34:56,449 --> 00:35:00,137
liable for that, but I'm
wondering, like, what additional

687
00:35:00,137 --> 00:35:02,862
steps could have been taken in
that situation.

688
00:35:02,862 --> 00:35:04,976
Like, were there conversations
with HR?

689
00:35:04,976 --> 00:35:09,514
Did this person even feel like
she was in danger, or was this

690
00:35:09,655 --> 00:35:10,137
out of the blue?

691
00:35:10,610 --> 00:35:13,318
And then I think on the other
end, like if it escalated this

692
00:35:13,418 --> 00:35:16,980
much like things like this don't
escalate that quickly usually,

693
00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:20,730
so usually there's signs of
abuse within the relationship

694
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:27,351
and if that's the case, like,
just I don't know Like, are

695
00:35:27,371 --> 00:35:29,255
there little things that we
could do, Not to say that the

696
00:35:29,416 --> 00:35:32,331
workplace is responsible, but
just to say, like, what more

697
00:35:32,371 --> 00:35:32,954
could have been done?

698
00:35:33,635 --> 00:35:37,487
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean direct
people to EAP, get them

699
00:35:37,588 --> 00:35:41,135
counseling, get them help,
physical help, security type

700
00:35:41,175 --> 00:35:41,335
help.

701
00:35:41,335 --> 00:35:42,878
You know need.

702
00:35:42,878 --> 00:35:45,764
Do you need to be walked to
your car at night and things

703
00:35:45,849 --> 00:35:46,231
like that.

704
00:35:46,231 --> 00:35:51,467
You know we, we have a badge in
, badge out system, so all our

705
00:35:51,507 --> 00:35:55,817
doors are always locked from the
outside and about once a year

706
00:35:55,836 --> 00:35:59,610
or so we send a reminder don't,
don't hold the door open for

707
00:35:59,670 --> 00:36:02,617
other people, don't let people
and everybody must open the door

708
00:36:02,617 --> 00:36:04,300
to themselves, use the badge
themselves.

709
00:36:04,300 --> 00:36:08,210
But you know what, I'm the one
who sends that email a week

710
00:36:08,411 --> 00:36:08,692
later.

711
00:36:08,692 --> 00:36:12,144
I know I'm holding the door for
somebody and things like that,

712
00:36:12,184 --> 00:36:16,262
but in my defense, if somebody's
been terminated or something's

713
00:36:16,302 --> 00:36:19,371
going on, I'm probably the first
person outside.

714
00:36:19,371 --> 00:36:25,481
I would know, but I can't sit
there as a human being,

715
00:36:25,561 --> 00:36:27,184
especially if someone's carrying
something.

716
00:36:27,184 --> 00:36:31,240
I can't not open the door for
someone else or hold it.

717
00:36:31,489 --> 00:36:32,896
You're three steps behind me.

718
00:36:32,896 --> 00:36:34,514
Nope, I'm not going to hold the
door for you.

719
00:36:34,514 --> 00:36:39,769
It's awkward, but once a year
or so we send out an email, not

720
00:36:39,809 --> 00:36:43,818
to I forget what the term they
use for people just walking in

721
00:36:43,858 --> 00:36:45,782
behind someone who swiped in.

722
00:36:45,782 --> 00:36:50,759
So it's rough, but man, what a
horrible, horrible situation.

723
00:36:50,759 --> 00:36:51,802
It's crazy.

724
00:36:54,735 --> 00:36:58,094
But I have one more story and it
relates very much to what we

725
00:36:58,114 --> 00:37:03,693
were talking about with the
micro retirements and this comes

726
00:37:03,693 --> 00:37:04,056
to us.

727
00:37:04,056 --> 00:37:08,612
I think it was on linkedin.

728
00:37:08,612 --> 00:37:08,932
I found it.

729
00:37:08,932 --> 00:37:10,418
I don't know who posted it, so
I can't give them credit.

730
00:37:10,418 --> 00:37:14,329
The company is uline and, for
whatever reason, I even get the

731
00:37:14,451 --> 00:37:18,777
uline catalogs at my home, yeah,
for every once while for

732
00:37:19,778 --> 00:37:21,922
packing materials and things
like that.

733
00:37:21,922 --> 00:37:27,471
But their CEO, I'm assuming Liz
, and her name is printed here

734
00:37:27,811 --> 00:37:31,257
in cursive, so it looks like
it's Liz Wilkinson.

735
00:37:31,257 --> 00:37:33,141
I might be wrong on that.

736
00:37:33,141 --> 00:37:38,496
She put this in her in their
catalog and it's titled the

737
00:37:38,557 --> 00:37:43,954
Nomads and it goes job hopping
used to be frowned on red flags

738
00:37:44,014 --> 00:37:47,202
on resumes, something previous
generations did their best to

739
00:37:47,242 --> 00:37:47,603
avoid.

740
00:37:47,989 --> 00:37:51,119
You stuck with a job, you showed
stability and you worked your

741
00:37:51,139 --> 00:37:51,541
way up.

742
00:37:51,541 --> 00:37:54,820
But boy, how times have changed
, and that's underlined and in

743
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:55,101
bold.

744
00:37:55,101 --> 00:37:59,599
What makes it so easy for young
workers to pull up stakes and

745
00:37:59,619 --> 00:38:00,001
move on?

746
00:38:00,001 --> 00:38:04,498
Why they don't prioritize job
security and financial stability

747
00:38:04,498 --> 00:38:04,719
more.

748
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,572
Maybe it's because they don't
have to.

749
00:38:07,572 --> 00:38:11,400
At Uline, young people are
resigning before their two-year

750
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,192
anniversary at a higher rate
than we'd like.

751
00:38:13,192 --> 00:38:17,041
We invest precious resources in
recruiting, hiring and training

752
00:38:17,041 --> 00:38:18,952
new hires, only for them to
leave.

753
00:38:18,952 --> 00:38:20,516
We call them nomads.

754
00:38:20,516 --> 00:38:22,380
Why do they jump around?

755
00:38:22,380 --> 00:38:23,682
And then she's got this.

756
00:38:23,682 --> 00:38:25,315
Listen, this gets a little
political here.

757
00:38:25,315 --> 00:38:28,784
Just not trying to be very
political here, but free

758
00:38:28,824 --> 00:38:29,367
insurance.

759
00:38:29,367 --> 00:38:32,394
The Affordable Care Act allows
young adults to stay on their

760
00:38:32,434 --> 00:38:34,621
parents' health insurance until
age 26.

761
00:38:34,621 --> 00:38:38,338
The unintended consequences are
that you can quit a job without

762
00:38:38,338 --> 00:38:41,211
losing coverage and go look for
to go where the grass looks

763
00:38:41,271 --> 00:38:41,632
greener.

764
00:38:41,632 --> 00:38:44,797
In addition, parents often pay
for their kids phone bills, car

765
00:38:44,838 --> 00:38:49,045
insurance, streaming services
next bullet oh, I haven't

766
00:38:49,065 --> 00:38:49,788
thought about that.

767
00:38:50,648 --> 00:38:53,898
Speaker 3: Like you, would
rather people be like enslaved

768
00:38:53,938 --> 00:38:58,090
at your company because they
have no other choice for medical

769
00:38:58,090 --> 00:38:58,751
insurance.

770
00:38:58,751 --> 00:39:03,364
Like that's dumb but then also
any other company provides

771
00:39:03,463 --> 00:39:06,010
insurance like well, not every,
you know what I'm saying.

772
00:39:06,010 --> 00:39:09,722
Like most companies, most
companies like you go you get on

773
00:39:09,722 --> 00:39:10,646
their insurance plan.

774
00:39:10,646 --> 00:39:12,231
That's a stupid reason.

775
00:39:12,572 --> 00:39:19,043
Speaker 2: Next, but I will say
I'm I'm guilty, my, my son, I

776
00:39:19,144 --> 00:39:21,809
pay his car insurance and his
phone bill.

777
00:39:21,809 --> 00:39:23,454
Now he's 21, he's still in
college.

778
00:39:23,454 --> 00:39:27,092
So but my daughter, I still pay
her phone bill.

779
00:39:27,092 --> 00:39:30,324
Only because I tried I was
going to take her off.

780
00:39:30,324 --> 00:39:32,992
But it's actually less
expensive to have four people in

781
00:39:32,992 --> 00:39:35,498
the family plan, to have three
people in the family plan.

782
00:39:35,498 --> 00:39:39,115
So I was like, okay, screw it,
I'll, you know, I'll pay her,

783
00:39:39,215 --> 00:39:42,103
I'll keep her on my, my family
plan, my family phone.

784
00:39:42,103 --> 00:39:48,117
But anyways, our second bullet,
the pandemic COVID-19, turned

785
00:39:48,137 --> 00:39:49,000
the world on its head.

786
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,952
Thanks to three rounds of
stimulus checks, people didn't

787
00:39:51,972 --> 00:39:53,197
get off their couches to work.

788
00:39:53,197 --> 00:39:56,956
It became the norm to work from
home and not build camaraderie

789
00:39:56,996 --> 00:39:57,336
at work.

790
00:39:57,336 --> 00:39:58,735
All hell broke loose.

791
00:39:58,735 --> 00:40:02,070
Okay, that's our bullet number
two, or?

792
00:40:02,110 --> 00:40:03,295
Speaker 3: did you just lose
control?

793
00:40:03,295 --> 00:40:03,409
Yeah?

794
00:40:04,135 --> 00:40:04,737
Speaker 2: I do see the work
from home.

795
00:40:04,737 --> 00:40:06,447
Okay, that's number two, or did
you just lose control?

796
00:40:06,447 --> 00:40:11,311
Yeah, I do see the work from
home both ways, and it really

797
00:40:11,351 --> 00:40:14,637
depends on the leadership and
the environment of the company,

798
00:40:14,677 --> 00:40:17,021
the culture of the company and
things like that.

799
00:40:17,021 --> 00:40:18,284
I don't know.

800
00:40:19,271 --> 00:40:20,755
Speaker 3: Also like the
stimulus checks.

801
00:40:20,755 --> 00:40:23,382
People act like they were like
life changing money.

802
00:40:23,382 --> 00:40:28,983
Like Ed McMahon was showing up
at your door with like a $45,000

803
00:40:28,983 --> 00:40:29,202
check.

804
00:40:29,202 --> 00:40:32,610
Like those stimulus checks
weren't like life-changing, they

805
00:40:32,610 --> 00:40:34,554
were just like so to blame that
.

806
00:40:34,554 --> 00:40:38,702
That's why people felt
comfortable to job hop I don't

807
00:40:38,742 --> 00:40:40,775
know, and they were getting on
it.

808
00:40:40,949 --> 00:40:43,155
Speaker 2: She doesn't say this,
but I know people will be

809
00:40:43,215 --> 00:40:46,302
saying this unlimited
unemployment for periods of the

810
00:40:46,362 --> 00:40:49,130
pandemic at some places as well.

811
00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:51,391
But well, then again they
weren't losing money Knock on

812
00:40:51,411 --> 00:40:51,610
wood.

813
00:40:51,851 --> 00:40:53,818
Speaker 3: I don't want to put a
jinx out there, but like when

814
00:40:53,858 --> 00:40:55,672
are we going to get another
pandemic Like this?

815
00:40:55,733 --> 00:40:57,905
Speaker 1: is once in a 100 year
phenomenon.

816
00:40:57,905 --> 00:41:00,893
I'm being kind of serious, like
the last flu epidemic was like

817
00:41:00,914 --> 00:41:01,936
in 1920.

818
00:41:02,416 --> 00:41:05,322
Speaker 3: So like when, when
are we going to have this again?

819
00:41:05,322 --> 00:41:08,496
So can we just like crumple
those excuses up and just throw

820
00:41:08,516 --> 00:41:11,331
them away until we like have to
rehash them in the next 100

821
00:41:11,351 --> 00:41:11,610
years?

822
00:41:11,610 --> 00:41:13,215
Like not just sensitive but.

823
00:41:14,277 --> 00:41:16,922
Speaker 2: I'm sort of
overhearing COVID-19 being the

824
00:41:16,961 --> 00:41:21,221
blame for all of these things as
well from kids not having

825
00:41:21,722 --> 00:41:22,505
social skills.

826
00:41:22,505 --> 00:41:25,114
Because they've been, they
spent their high school years

827
00:41:25,134 --> 00:41:28,358
doing high school remotely and
they can't work functionally

828
00:41:28,418 --> 00:41:29,159
with other people.

829
00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:33,496
There's there's a wee bit of
merit to it, but it's not.

830
00:41:34,177 --> 00:41:38,329
Speaker 3: It's not the root
cause it's also not the decline

831
00:41:38,349 --> 00:41:38,869
of society.

832
00:41:38,869 --> 00:41:43,052
So we're fine, we're fine life
will go on.

833
00:41:43,512 --> 00:41:46,414
Speaker 2: Her third and final
bullet is parenting.

834
00:41:46,414 --> 00:41:47,916
I like that.

835
00:41:47,916 --> 00:41:48,576
Look at her face.

836
00:41:48,576 --> 00:41:50,617
Many try to be a friend.

837
00:41:50,617 --> 00:41:54,981
They show a lot of affection
and concentrate on the fun, but

838
00:41:55,121 --> 00:41:57,862
fail to provide guidelines,
rules and expectations that

839
00:41:57,902 --> 00:41:59,543
teach personal responsibility.

840
00:41:59,543 --> 00:42:01,465
Bold and underlined, bold and
underlined it.

841
00:42:01,465 --> 00:42:04,967
The result is a generation of
nomads who've been sheltered in

842
00:42:05,007 --> 00:42:11,594
quotes, knowing mom and dad will
keep taking care of them.

843
00:42:11,594 --> 00:42:13,320
At some point you've got to
kick them out of the nest so

844
00:42:13,340 --> 00:42:14,023
they can learn to fly.

845
00:42:14,023 --> 00:42:15,387
And she ends it by saying
employers always look out for

846
00:42:15,608 --> 00:42:17,193
young, talented candidates.

847
00:42:17,193 --> 00:42:19,900
It's hard to build a winning
team when the rookies you sign

848
00:42:19,940 --> 00:42:22,434
think they're free agents before
they even take the field.

849
00:42:23,896 --> 00:42:26,402
Speaker 3: So newsflash, every
employee is a free agent.

850
00:42:27,003 --> 00:42:29,690
Speaker 2: Yeah, Employment at
will has been around, unless

851
00:42:29,710 --> 00:42:33,481
you're in Montana for quite a
while.

852
00:42:34,751 --> 00:42:40,594
Speaker 3: I'm curious to hear
what Uline does for, like I

853
00:42:40,614 --> 00:42:43,141
don't know performance
management, for learning and

854
00:42:43,161 --> 00:42:45,331
development, for growth pathing,
for growth pathing, for career

855
00:42:45,351 --> 00:42:48,338
pathing, like, instead of
looking at this younger

856
00:42:48,358 --> 00:42:52,934
generation who, I'm probably
going to say, in my own opinion,

857
00:42:52,934 --> 00:42:57,302
learned what millennials did is
that you're going to make more

858
00:42:57,342 --> 00:43:02,376
money if you leave, right, like
if you leave and take an offer

859
00:43:02,396 --> 00:43:06,425
somewhere else, incrementally
over x amount of years, you are

860
00:43:06,449 --> 00:43:10,099
going to make more money than if
you just stay at a company like

861
00:43:10,099 --> 00:43:13,172
a good little boy or girl and
get your little pats on the head

862
00:43:13,172 --> 00:43:15,599
with your little two percent
increases every year.

863
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:20,077
I mean, unless the company is
actually pouring into someone

864
00:43:20,177 --> 00:43:23,472
and making it worthwhile for
that person to stay, then you

865
00:43:23,492 --> 00:43:24,500
can 100 expect that person to
leave.

866
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:27,554
Then you can 100% expect that
person to leave within three

867
00:43:27,594 --> 00:43:27,875
years.

868
00:43:27,875 --> 00:43:30,621
And I think honestly, like I,
this is just off the top of my

869
00:43:30,661 --> 00:43:34,536
head I think that's like the
average, like people stay like

870
00:43:34,617 --> 00:43:35,219
three years.

871
00:43:35,559 --> 00:43:38,833
So my feedback to you is why are
people leaving at two years?

872
00:43:38,833 --> 00:43:40,697
Because that's below average.

873
00:43:40,697 --> 00:43:42,230
Is there something you're doing
that's wrong?

874
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:45,699
You line Because that's not
right, but now I'm being snarky,

875
00:43:45,699 --> 00:43:50,210
but like this, this article
seems to be very, I think you're

876
00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:50,349
right.

877
00:43:50,349 --> 00:43:53,842
There's a lot of like little
political sprinklings in there,

878
00:43:54,443 --> 00:43:58,356
but for the most part, it's
blaming people for a problem

879
00:43:58,376 --> 00:43:59,297
that you've created.

880
00:43:59,699 --> 00:44:04,050
Speaker 2: Like, like, I don't
know that's no, I I think I

881
00:44:04,070 --> 00:44:07,034
would like to know what the the
culture is, because there's some

882
00:44:07,034 --> 00:44:10,480
companies out there that do
really good at bringing in young

883
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,625
people and developing them and
letting them grow.

884
00:44:13,625 --> 00:44:19,739
Back in my day and people might
laugh at this there are two

885
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,128
companies that were really known
for developing managers in

886
00:44:24,168 --> 00:44:24,710
future careers.

887
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:26,717
First was enterprise rent-a-car
.

888
00:44:26,717 --> 00:44:31,313
If you got in there and you
stuck with them and took their

889
00:44:32,056 --> 00:44:35,809
management route, yeah you
learned a lot, you developed a

890
00:44:35,849 --> 00:44:36,090
career.

891
00:44:36,110 --> 00:44:40,186
I mean, is enterprise rent-a-car
to the most glamorous place to

892
00:44:40,206 --> 00:44:41,371
work or anything like that?

893
00:44:41,371 --> 00:44:55,811
No, but they had a very good
routine in the other place and

894
00:44:55,831 --> 00:44:57,398
Sherwin-Williams was the other
that developed managers and

895
00:44:57,418 --> 00:44:58,663
taught people to be managers and
leaders and develop them.

896
00:44:58,663 --> 00:45:00,110
And yeah, you're probably not
going at either of those places,

897
00:45:00,110 --> 00:45:03,554
you're not going to keep those
people for and once again I'm

898
00:45:03,574 --> 00:45:05,737
talking about people who are
graduating from college in the

899
00:45:06,099 --> 00:45:07,521
mid, early mid 90s.

900
00:45:07,521 --> 00:45:10,510
And that was the thing and
those people, as they went

901
00:45:10,530 --> 00:45:12,177
through their career, did really
well.

902
00:45:12,177 --> 00:45:15,550
And actually here's a funny
side story I interviewed at

903
00:45:15,630 --> 00:45:19,224
enterprise for a job as I really
kind of wanted to work there

904
00:45:19,244 --> 00:45:20,750
because their management
structure.

905
00:45:22,634 --> 00:45:26,722
I bombed that interview like
there is no and it's not

906
00:45:26,742 --> 00:45:27,003
anything.

907
00:45:27,003 --> 00:45:30,614
I said what it was the
interviewer, she.

908
00:45:30,614 --> 00:45:36,724
She was in her upper 20s and
here I am, 22 ish, I think she

909
00:45:39,474 --> 00:45:42,320
unofficially dared me into a
staring contest.

910
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,268
She had locked in eye contact
and didn't blink.

911
00:45:46,268 --> 00:45:47,971
I wasn't going to blink.

912
00:45:47,971 --> 00:45:50,820
And I'm sitting there staring
at her.

913
00:45:50,820 --> 00:45:53,931
I'm not blinking, I'm talking,
I'm going through the interview.

914
00:45:53,931 --> 00:45:58,460
I was like I don't know, I
couldn't stand down, I couldn't

915
00:45:59,001 --> 00:46:01,713
take a breath and relax and be
myself.

916
00:46:01,713 --> 00:46:05,682
I had to sit there eyes wide
open, unblinking, staring at her

917
00:46:05,682 --> 00:46:09,657
with the same intensity she was
staring at me, and so that was

918
00:46:09,697 --> 00:46:13,431
a very awkward interview, and I
did not get that job.

919
00:46:14,914 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 3: I will say a friend
of a friend of mine speaking

920
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,693
about like interviewing in the
job market, like.

921
00:46:19,693 --> 00:46:24,242
So a friend of mine is now
interviewing and they have a

922
00:46:24,364 --> 00:46:28,231
final interview this friday with
a company now the company

923
00:46:28,291 --> 00:46:31,338
itself small world.

924
00:46:31,338 --> 00:46:34,063
A friend of a friend used to
work there and that.

925
00:46:34,063 --> 00:46:36,875
But they used to work there
like 15 years ago, 10, 15 years

926
00:46:36,896 --> 00:46:41,010
ago and when they, when they
said they were like leaving,

927
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:45,282
they could not leave fast enough
because just the corporation

928
00:46:45,302 --> 00:46:49,119
was very, the company was very,
very militant, a lot of

929
00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:52,952
ex-military work there and they
led with aggression and that was

930
00:46:52,952 --> 00:46:56,360
the culture of just direct and
like a lot of people, and not

931
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,936
that I'm not saying like all
places with military no, I'm not

932
00:46:58,936 --> 00:47:02,849
saying that but that was just
like this place was rent, very

933
00:47:03,010 --> 00:47:05,911
militant and very like people
would yell at each other and

934
00:47:05,931 --> 00:47:08,018
like that's how I'm sitting
there.

935
00:47:08,050 --> 00:47:10,755
I'm like God, you got to come up
with some real good interview

936
00:47:10,795 --> 00:47:14,181
questions to get down to that,
to see if that's changed,

937
00:47:14,260 --> 00:47:16,664
because that sounds horrific.

938
00:47:16,664 --> 00:47:20,121
So hopefully that is that's
changed.

939
00:47:20,121 --> 00:47:24,280
But what I was also going to
say is like this job market's a

940
00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:25,463
little too crazy right now.

941
00:47:25,463 --> 00:47:30,860
And the same friend got a
applied for a role that was like

942
00:47:30,860 --> 00:47:34,572
a director level human
resources person and the company

943
00:47:34,572 --> 00:47:38,297
got back to them and I like
looked at the company name.

944
00:47:38,297 --> 00:47:40,637
I'm like that sounds I'm not
going to say the company name on

945
00:47:40,637 --> 00:47:42,315
here I'm like that sounds
scammy.

946
00:47:42,315 --> 00:47:45,353
Say the company name on here
like that sounds scammy.

947
00:47:45,373 --> 00:47:46,655
and if there's one thing you
need to know about me is in my

948
00:47:46,675 --> 00:47:50,364
spare time I go down these weird
youtube rabbit holes about

949
00:47:50,585 --> 00:47:57,278
scams and also mlms and pyramid
schemes so they were like I like

950
00:47:57,278 --> 00:48:01,333
looked up the company and it
says along the lines of a

951
00:48:01,534 --> 00:48:05,085
business that focuses on
personal development and online

952
00:48:05,146 --> 00:48:09,143
business opportunities, with a
strong emphasis on travel and

953
00:48:09,505 --> 00:48:12,478
time freedom, and I'm like, oh
shit.

954
00:48:12,478 --> 00:48:14,577
I'm like that sounds like MLM.

955
00:48:14,577 --> 00:48:17,759
And then, sure enough, looking
down, it's like this is a

956
00:48:17,818 --> 00:48:18,561
pyramid scheme.

957
00:48:18,561 --> 00:48:19,894
This is a pyramid scheme.

958
00:48:19,894 --> 00:48:20,990
This is so.

959
00:48:21,211 --> 00:48:25,382
I just want to ask this job
market sucks so much.

960
00:48:25,382 --> 00:48:29,119
Keep the pyramid schemes out of
it.

961
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:33,860
People just want to find a damn
job and go to work and work

962
00:48:33,900 --> 00:48:37,434
their time and, as we're talking
about this woman from Uline,

963
00:48:38,177 --> 00:48:40,782
like it's not that deep.

964
00:48:40,782 --> 00:48:45,081
People just want to go to a job
and make what they feel like is

965
00:48:45,081 --> 00:48:49,315
fair, and if you don't provide
them for what they feel like is

966
00:48:49,394 --> 00:48:54,583
fair whether they're correct or
not this is all about perception

967
00:48:54,583 --> 00:48:56,726
of fairness they are going to
leave.

968
00:48:56,726 --> 00:49:00,536
So you need to handle that
perception, handle those

969
00:49:00,577 --> 00:49:05,326
expectations and give people
something in return so they

970
00:49:05,887 --> 00:49:07,269
effing stay, it's not.

971
00:49:07,650 --> 00:49:10,242
I hate this generational
nonsense of like kids.

972
00:49:10,242 --> 00:49:12,389
These days they don't know what
they're doing.

973
00:49:12,389 --> 00:49:16,358
I'm like shut up, like gen z's
just building on what the

974
00:49:16,398 --> 00:49:19,994
millennials already learned like
we already learned the scam we

975
00:49:20,014 --> 00:49:20,855
already learned the scam.

976
00:49:20,914 --> 00:49:21,536
It's a a scam.

977
00:49:21,536 --> 00:49:26,224
It's a scam Like unless you're
bringing back pensions, unless

978
00:49:26,264 --> 00:49:30,032
you're bringing back really big
career paths, unless you're

979
00:49:30,092 --> 00:49:35,043
doing stuff like that, we are
going to try to find the biggest

980
00:49:35,043 --> 00:49:36,012
pay, but not only that.

981
00:49:36,012 --> 00:49:39,681
We're trying to find the best
experience because we want to.

982
00:49:39,681 --> 00:49:42,454
And I know this about Gen X,
too, or Gen Z, sorry.

983
00:49:42,454 --> 00:49:45,762
They want to learn, they want
to grow, they want to grow, they

984
00:49:45,762 --> 00:49:46,764
want opportunity.

985
00:49:46,764 --> 00:49:49,092
And that's the same with
millennials where, when they

986
00:49:49,132 --> 00:49:52,157
entered the workforce and
spoiler alert, it's the way Gen

987
00:49:52,297 --> 00:49:54,637
X was, it's the way everyone is
when they entered the workforce

988
00:49:54,677 --> 00:49:55,358
at a certain age.

989
00:49:55,358 --> 00:49:59,456
But it's just one of those
things where, if you're not

990
00:49:59,516 --> 00:50:02,063
giving them a reason to stay,
people are going to leave.

991
00:50:11,889 --> 00:50:13,092
Speaker 2: People are going to
leave them a reason to stay.

992
00:50:13,092 --> 00:50:13,815
People are gonna leave.

993
00:50:13,815 --> 00:50:14,295
People are gonna leave.

994
00:50:14,295 --> 00:50:15,398
Cry about it, susan, cry about
it Liz, liz, yeah, whatever

995
00:50:15,418 --> 00:50:16,581
she's, susan, susan, karen,
karen, let's cry about it, karen

996
00:50:16,581 --> 00:50:16,581
.

997
00:50:16,581 --> 00:50:17,704
No, I, I think, I, I think you
hit on the head.

998
00:50:17,704 --> 00:50:20,670
She's envisioning a company of
30, 40 years ago where you came

999
00:50:20,811 --> 00:50:24,016
in day one and you worked your
30 years.

1000
00:50:24,016 --> 00:50:29,393
I mean I've averaged well, more
than double in most of my jobs,

1001
00:50:29,393 --> 00:50:30,195
except for one.

1002
00:50:30,195 --> 00:50:32,521
Well, most of my jobs I've
stayed in.

1003
00:50:32,521 --> 00:50:36,335
I've been at over three years
and things like that.

1004
00:50:36,335 --> 00:50:39,081
I get to places I like and I
stay.

1005
00:50:39,081 --> 00:50:41,652
And yeah, if I were to hop,
sure I could make a little bit

1006
00:50:41,692 --> 00:50:45,579
more money here or there, but
there's so much for me benefits

1007
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:47,284
in staying where I am.

1008
00:50:47,989 --> 00:50:53,581
And there's, you know, someone
who, a hated HR but B understood

1009
00:50:53,581 --> 00:50:54,204
HR.

1010
00:50:54,204 --> 00:50:56,777
They had this interesting
dichotomy.

1011
00:50:56,777 --> 00:50:59,498
They were a manager I had to
work very closely with.

1012
00:50:59,498 --> 00:51:02,016
We got along.

1013
00:51:02,016 --> 00:51:05,759
He respected me, but he did not
like the function of HR and he

1014
00:51:05,918 --> 00:51:07,001
made no bones about it.

1015
00:51:07,530 --> 00:51:10,338
But when we're talking about
retention, he goes, he goes.

1016
00:51:10,338 --> 00:51:11,452
There's two things he goes.

1017
00:51:11,452 --> 00:51:12,597
There's a stick and a carrot.

1018
00:51:12,597 --> 00:51:13,331
He goes.

1019
00:51:13,331 --> 00:51:16,320
If you have only a stick,
you're going to drive people

1020
00:51:16,340 --> 00:51:17,913
away, but only but.

1021
00:51:17,913 --> 00:51:20,219
If you have only a carrot,
that's not necessarily going to

1022
00:51:20,278 --> 00:51:21,101
lure people away.

1023
00:51:21,101 --> 00:51:24,981
There's got to be both a stick
and a carrot from another

1024
00:51:25,021 --> 00:51:25,382
company.

1025
00:51:25,382 --> 00:51:29,322
If you're you know if things
are looking so good, you know if

1026
00:51:29,322 --> 00:51:32,757
you're there's nothing driving
them out, you know they're going

1027
00:51:32,757 --> 00:51:35,650
to be less likely to go even if
it's other opportunity looks

1028
00:51:35,731 --> 00:51:35,990
good.

1029
00:51:36,072 --> 00:51:40,221
And he I've always I haven't
bought into him a hundred

1030
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:43,358
percent in his thing, but I do
believe there it's a two,

1031
00:51:43,619 --> 00:51:44,722
there's two aspects of it.

1032
00:51:44,722 --> 00:51:48,434
There's what's driving you out
and what's pulling you elsewhere

1033
00:51:48,434 --> 00:51:52,320
, and you have to have both to a
certain extent.

1034
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,393
Now, if it's an abusive, awful
environment, yeah, get the hell

1035
00:51:55,534 --> 00:51:56,315
out.

1036
00:51:56,315 --> 00:51:58,869
I've mentioned I only worked at
the water park one year.

1037
00:51:58,869 --> 00:52:01,675
It wasn't a horrible
environment, it wasn't awful, it

1038
00:52:01,675 --> 00:52:07,251
wasn't the right environment
for me is what it was and yeah,

1039
00:52:07,271 --> 00:52:11,978
so maybe that's their situation,
but Otherwise there was

1040
00:52:11,998 --> 00:52:14,505
something driving me out there
and it was called 400 Teenagers.

1041
00:52:14,505 --> 00:52:17,534
I could not deal with 400
teenagers any longer.

1042
00:52:18,318 --> 00:52:19,019
Speaker 3: If I had hair.

1043
00:52:19,059 --> 00:52:22,079
Speaker 2: I would have been
pulling it out but that was

1044
00:52:22,179 --> 00:52:23,244
pushing me out.

1045
00:52:23,244 --> 00:52:27,518
And then I found a job, but
sort of along those lines, when

1046
00:52:27,677 --> 00:52:30,463
I was looking for a job to leave
the water park.

1047
00:52:30,463 --> 00:52:33,887
My very first interview was
with a company.

1048
00:52:33,887 --> 00:52:34,708
I applied online.

1049
00:52:34,708 --> 00:52:35,469
I remember their ad.

1050
00:52:35,469 --> 00:52:38,103
They were an IT services firm
da da, da, da da.

1051
00:52:38,103 --> 00:52:44,447
And the ad on wherever it was
LinkedIn Indeed wherever made it

1052
00:52:44,447 --> 00:52:45,289
look really cool.

1053
00:52:45,956 --> 00:52:49,960
I sent in my resume, got an
interview, I go in and I go

1054
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,286
through the interview and then
it's time for me to ask

1055
00:52:52,326 --> 00:52:52,567
questions.

1056
00:52:52,567 --> 00:52:54,960
I'm like well, tell me about
you know about IT services and

1057
00:52:55,021 --> 00:52:57,726
how many IT developers and
things you have.

1058
00:52:57,726 --> 00:53:00,898
They had the whole floor of
this building and I was like she

1059
00:53:00,898 --> 00:53:01,742
goes, well, we have two.

1060
00:53:01,742 --> 00:53:04,784
And I'm like, oh well, what is
the rest of the company?

1061
00:53:04,784 --> 00:53:10,300
And it was a call center and it
was a call center designed to

1062
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:11,543
sell their software.

1063
00:53:11,543 --> 00:53:13,887
That these two developers were
it.

1064
00:53:13,887 --> 00:53:19,096
Just if you're marketing your
position as a director of HR for

1065
00:53:19,096 --> 00:53:24,164
an IT services firm, but you
have two people that do IT work

1066
00:53:24,626 --> 00:53:28,679
and you know 200 call center
people, yeah, that's, that's not

1067
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:30,141
a, that's not IT services.

1068
00:53:31,143 --> 00:53:35,195
I just did not take well to that
at all and they called me for a

1069
00:53:35,195 --> 00:53:35,735
second interview.

1070
00:53:35,735 --> 00:53:36,996
I was like I'm sorry, I'm just
not take well to that at all.

1071
00:53:36,996 --> 00:53:37,938
And they called me for a second
interview.

1072
00:53:37,938 --> 00:53:39,858
I was like I'm sorry, I'm just
not interested in this position.

1073
00:53:39,858 --> 00:53:43,081
And they called me like back
twice after I told them I'm

1074
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:45,503
really not interested in this
position.

1075
00:53:45,503 --> 00:53:49,625
I was like tell me your call
center, yeah, and things as I.

1076
00:53:49,625 --> 00:53:52,527
You know, some people gosh.

1077
00:53:52,527 --> 00:53:55,289
There's a guy who has I haven't
listened to this podcast in a

1078
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:55,949
long time.

1079
00:53:55,949 --> 00:53:59,371
He's down in Orlando, florida
area and he loves working at

1080
00:53:59,411 --> 00:53:59,911
call center.

1081
00:53:59,911 --> 00:54:09,599
He's an HR person there and I
just can't see myself at just

1082
00:54:09,679 --> 00:54:10,382
the what I picture and envision.

1083
00:54:10,382 --> 00:54:11,766
No firsthand experience of the
turnover and the issues you have

1084
00:54:11,766 --> 00:54:12,025
to deal with.

1085
00:54:12,025 --> 00:54:12,527
I just yeah, I.

1086
00:54:12,547 --> 00:54:15,860
Speaker 3: That wouldn't be for
the right environment for me, so

1087
00:54:15,860 --> 00:54:18,878
, so yeah, I think there's like
a lot, because Uline kind of

1088
00:54:18,938 --> 00:54:24,413
reminds me of like I know they
they probably do like a lot of

1089
00:54:24,753 --> 00:54:26,878
packaging and delivering of
products.

1090
00:54:26,878 --> 00:54:29,405
So I'm thinking it's like a
warehouse environment with a lot

1091
00:54:29,405 --> 00:54:33,541
of like stock man, like actual
inventory management and the

1092
00:54:33,561 --> 00:54:36,646
shipping of things and stuff
like that, which sounds like a

1093
00:54:36,706 --> 00:54:37,668
lot of a lot.

1094
00:54:37,668 --> 00:54:40,793
Like a company I used to work
for that was very it was

1095
00:54:40,873 --> 00:54:43,679
manufacturing, but kind of the
same thing just like a lot of

1096
00:54:44,121 --> 00:54:47,416
people working on the lines,
doing the things, packing the

1097
00:54:47,476 --> 00:54:48,496
things, shipping the things.

1098
00:54:48,496 --> 00:54:53,802
And, to be honest with you,
that isn't unless you're someone

1099
00:54:53,802 --> 00:54:58,947
who is wanting to go down to
work up to a supervisor, to work

1100
00:54:58,947 --> 00:55:02,391
up to a manager, to work up,
like from a floor worker up, up,

1101
00:55:02,391 --> 00:55:05,197
up Like there's going to be a
lot of turnover because

1102
00:55:05,297 --> 00:55:11,083
individuals who are working on
like a manufacturing floor or a

1103
00:55:11,143 --> 00:55:14,708
floor environment, unless they,
unless they have a desire to

1104
00:55:14,748 --> 00:55:18,010
move into management, they've,
they've reached, they've reached

1105
00:55:18,010 --> 00:55:18,192
it.

1106
00:55:18,192 --> 00:55:19,893
You know that's what they want
to do, that's what they're going

1107
00:55:19,893 --> 00:55:21,059
to do and there's nothing wrong
with that.

1108
00:55:21,059 --> 00:55:24,063
But at the same time, like
again, you got to find ways to

1109
00:55:24,103 --> 00:55:26,284
keep them here because that
carrot of bigger pay is out

1110
00:55:26,324 --> 00:55:31,059
there, yeah, and also, just get
rid of bullshit, like being in,

1111
00:55:31,260 --> 00:55:35,887
like, of course, this is where
it's applicable, because not all

1112
00:55:35,887 --> 00:55:39,998
jobs can be done remotely, but
where is it like?

1113
00:55:39,998 --> 00:55:41,621
Stop getting rid of?

1114
00:55:41,621 --> 00:55:44,407
Get rid of bullshit rules and
policies.

1115
00:55:44,976 --> 00:55:50,268
I worked at a home builder and
we had to be every single person

1116
00:55:50,268 --> 00:55:50,268
.

1117
00:55:50,268 --> 00:55:53,922
All employees had to be in
their seats at 8 am and no one

1118
00:55:53,963 --> 00:55:55,686
could leave before 5 pm.

1119
00:55:55,686 --> 00:55:59,059
And if you did, they would
notice and it was just like.

1120
00:55:59,059 --> 00:56:00,528
This was a few years ago.

1121
00:56:00,528 --> 00:56:01,434
This was like 2020.

1122
00:56:01,434 --> 00:56:05,724
And I'm like, and even when the
pandemic hit, we were a what is

1123
00:56:05,724 --> 00:56:05,925
that?

1124
00:56:05,925 --> 00:56:08,463
Critical roles because we were
building homes.

1125
00:56:08,463 --> 00:56:12,438
So so, yeah, like, even with
that, you had to be in the

1126
00:56:12,498 --> 00:56:12,759
office.

1127
00:56:12,759 --> 00:56:13,760
You can wear masks.

1128
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,885
If you have your own personal
office, there's no reason why

1129
00:56:16,905 --> 00:56:17,666
you have to work from home.

1130
00:56:17,666 --> 00:56:19,088
You close your office door.

1131
00:56:19,088 --> 00:56:20,670
I'm like why?

1132
00:56:20,670 --> 00:56:24,179
These are stupid rules and I
quit because of the stupid rules

1133
00:56:24,179 --> 00:56:24,179
.

1134
00:56:26,606 --> 00:56:32,163
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think my
overt, my personal aversion to

1135
00:56:32,362 --> 00:56:35,068
the working from home is I just
never got in the flow.

1136
00:56:35,068 --> 00:56:39,297
I never regularly worked from
home, even during the pandemic,

1137
00:56:39,900 --> 00:56:42,827
and I didn't start working from
home until about a year and a

1138
00:56:42,867 --> 00:56:43,416
half ago.

1139
00:56:43,416 --> 00:56:48,204
Our policy even before
pre-pandemic was certain roles

1140
00:56:48,264 --> 00:56:52,838
could work from home two days a
week, and then we were very

1141
00:56:52,898 --> 00:56:56,623
flexible during the pandemic
time, but I still came into the

1142
00:56:56,724 --> 00:57:00,088
office during the whole pandemic
five days a week in the office,

1143
00:57:00,088 --> 00:57:02,190
40 hours, because that's what I
liked.

1144
00:57:02,190 --> 00:57:07,043
And then my first long period
of working from home was when,

1145
00:57:07,385 --> 00:57:12,202
first, my wife and children got
COVID and so I stayed home as I

1146
00:57:12,242 --> 00:57:14,554
didn't want to bring it to the
office with me, right?

1147
00:57:14,554 --> 00:57:18,003
So I stayed at home and then,
as they're recovering, I finally

1148
00:57:18,003 --> 00:57:18,284
caught.

1149
00:57:18,284 --> 00:57:20,596
I thought I was going to get
through the whole thing, but as

1150
00:57:20,615 --> 00:57:24,960
they're recovering, I finally
got it, and that was like years,

1151
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,365
it wasn't 2020.

1152
00:57:26,365 --> 00:57:34,043
It was like 2021 or later when
I finally got it and I just

1153
00:57:34,083 --> 00:57:35,907
never got in the groove of
working from home.

1154
00:57:35,907 --> 00:57:40,585
And then when I moved, I moved
half an hour away, further away

1155
00:57:40,644 --> 00:57:44,798
from my work than I was living,
and that's when I decided, okay,

1156
00:57:44,798 --> 00:57:50,740
I was going to do one day a
week from home and you have to

1157
00:57:50,820 --> 00:57:55,119
get in a sink in the flow of it
and doing one day a week, you

1158
00:57:55,159 --> 00:57:59,527
never get in that sink in that
flow and I I never called in.

1159
00:57:59,527 --> 00:58:03,474
So I, just a few months ago or
maybe the end of last year, I

1160
00:58:03,494 --> 00:58:04,882
don't remember exactly I said
you know what?

1161
00:58:04,882 --> 00:58:07,081
I'm just going to go to the
office every single day.

1162
00:58:07,081 --> 00:58:09,876
I I prefer the office, like
today.

1163
00:58:09,876 --> 00:58:10,880
I had a.

1164
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:12,385
I liked being in the office.

1165
00:58:12,385 --> 00:58:14,963
I got to be involved in some
things that I'm not normally

1166
00:58:15,003 --> 00:58:35,402
involved with and I was like if
I was sitting at home, I say

1167
00:58:35,483 --> 00:58:36,945
what can I help, what can I do?

1168
00:58:36,945 --> 00:58:40,701
And yeah, I like doing things
like that, I like being around

1169
00:58:41,163 --> 00:58:41,483
people.

1170
00:58:41,563 --> 00:58:45,476
But my wife, on the other hand,
when the covid happened and they

1171
00:58:45,476 --> 00:58:50,726
sent them home, she has
excelled working from home, yeah

1172
00:58:50,726 --> 00:58:54,844
, and she goes into the office
once every other week.

1173
00:58:54,844 --> 00:58:57,574
She and another employee
rotates to go in as they do

1174
00:58:57,614 --> 00:58:57,875
payroll.

1175
00:58:57,875 --> 00:59:01,942
So they got to go in once a
week before payrolls to get the

1176
00:59:02,181 --> 00:59:06,449
liens and garnishments and all
those other fun things they need

1177
00:59:06,449 --> 00:59:07,349
to get out of the office.

1178
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:10,485
And she goes in once a week and
does that.

1179
00:59:10,485 --> 00:59:14,403
But she likes going to the
office when it is time to go.

1180
00:59:14,403 --> 00:59:15,315
Once a week she goes.

1181
00:59:15,315 --> 00:59:19,065
You know, twice a month is
perfectly fine by me to go in

1182
00:59:19,106 --> 00:59:19,407
the office.

1183
00:59:19,407 --> 00:59:22,722
She still has a physical office
there and they're actually

1184
00:59:22,822 --> 00:59:26,577
redecorating the office right
now as we speak and she's like,

1185
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:29,500
oh, that's nice, she's got
nothing personal.

1186
00:59:29,500 --> 00:59:31,204
No family pictures there
anymore.

1187
00:59:31,204 --> 00:59:34,344
No, nothing in the office
anymore.

1188
00:59:37,695 --> 00:59:38,880
You know, the office is just
sort of where she hangs out

1189
00:59:38,900 --> 00:59:39,744
while she's at work and goes to
work.

1190
00:59:39,744 --> 00:59:42,295
But most of the time she says
she's out there chit-chatting

1191
00:59:42,335 --> 00:59:43,016
with other people.

1192
00:59:43,016 --> 00:59:46,706
You know, like, apparently hr
is, she's right around the

1193
00:59:46,726 --> 00:59:49,722
corner from hr and they are in
the office five days a week and

1194
00:59:49,762 --> 00:59:52,614
accounting is in the office five
days a week, so she's around

1195
00:59:52,675 --> 00:59:55,664
the corner from them and hangs
out and chit chats with them and

1196
00:59:55,664 --> 00:59:57,056
things like that.

1197
00:59:57,056 --> 01:00:04,128
So, yeah, I work from home is
not if the company manages it

1198
01:00:04,188 --> 01:00:08,360
well and takes it with the right
attitude and presents it in the

1199
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,668
right framework of of how it
should be done.

1200
01:00:11,668 --> 01:00:14,619
Because, yes, you're definitely
going to have people who are

1201
01:00:14,679 --> 01:00:19,108
slackers and are working from
home.

1202
01:00:19,394 --> 01:00:22,664
I can think of someone who would
post on Facebook regularly

1203
01:00:22,744 --> 01:00:26,923
about being at the pool while
they were working at home and

1204
01:00:26,963 --> 01:00:30,038
things like that, or being at
the beach and and things like

1205
01:00:30,057 --> 01:00:33,438
that, while they were supposed
to be working from home, and I

1206
01:00:33,458 --> 01:00:34,284
don't know who would do that.

1207
01:00:34,284 --> 01:00:35,269
But those are the.

1208
01:00:35,269 --> 01:00:35,550
Those are the.

1209
01:00:35,550 --> 01:00:38,282
Those are the people that this
lady from you line.

1210
01:00:38,282 --> 01:00:41,333
She sees those posts and knows
here's those same people.

1211
01:00:41,333 --> 01:00:44,547
Yes, yeah, I'm working from
home at the beach, and that

1212
01:00:44,586 --> 01:00:45,853
means they're not answering your
emails.

1213
01:00:45,853 --> 01:00:48,521
You're not being diligent, you
know there's truth to that.

1214
01:00:48,541 --> 01:00:50,896
There really is and there's
people who do that, but that's

1215
01:00:50,936 --> 01:00:52,601
when you, as a manager, handle
that.

1216
01:00:52,601 --> 01:00:56,054
Say, hey, warren, yeah, yeah,
everybody seems to be talking

1217
01:00:56,074 --> 01:00:58,708
about your facebook post while
you're you're at the beach when

1218
01:00:59,150 --> 01:01:00,675
you were supposed to be working
today one.

1219
01:01:01,016 --> 01:01:03,864
Speaker 3: Let's have a little
conversation about that I will

1220
01:01:03,884 --> 01:01:06,940
say like I'm speaking from this
from a very from from the lens

1221
01:01:06,981 --> 01:01:09,431
of someone who works in a
corporate environment where

1222
01:01:09,650 --> 01:01:15,242
there is flexibility, and I work
for an organization where all

1223
01:01:15,282 --> 01:01:16,724
the work can be done remotely.

1224
01:01:16,724 --> 01:01:23,925
So again, this is a very
specific perspective, but it's

1225
01:01:23,945 --> 01:01:24,407
funny enough.

1226
01:01:24,407 --> 01:01:27,094
As we were like kind of
prepping for this episode

1227
01:01:27,135 --> 01:01:31,485
tonight, I did a quick, I went
with my little AI assistant and

1228
01:01:31,846 --> 01:01:35,304
one of the things that came up
this week from the guardian was

1229
01:01:35,625 --> 01:01:40,822
like it was with workplace
flexibility and hybrid working

1230
01:01:41,182 --> 01:01:47,800
and asynchronous working, like
there is a shift from thinking

1231
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:54,090
about hours worked versus the
energy, that energy flow.

1232
01:01:54,090 --> 01:01:57,590
So it's not like workflow
during time, but it's like work

1233
01:01:57,650 --> 01:02:00,900
produced during energy flows,
which sounds really weird but it

1234
01:02:00,900 --> 01:02:01,882
makes sense in my head.

1235
01:02:01,882 --> 01:02:06,661
But it's very like if, if
you're a morning person, then

1236
01:02:06,882 --> 01:02:09,188
you get all your work done in
the morning boom, boom, boom,

1237
01:02:09,208 --> 01:02:09,675
boom, boom.

1238
01:02:09,675 --> 01:02:13,041
And let's say like that's your,
that's the way your brain is

1239
01:02:13,141 --> 01:02:15,246
wired, that's the way your
internal clock is.

1240
01:02:15,246 --> 01:02:18,123
And let's say you go into the
office and you get all your work

1241
01:02:18,123 --> 01:02:21,215
like a massive amount of bulk
of your work done before lunch

1242
01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:22,981
and you're working from home.

1243
01:02:22,981 --> 01:02:27,835
Let's say yeah, like go do your
laundry, go clean the bathroom

1244
01:02:28,034 --> 01:02:30,221
during a break, I don't care,
cause you're still being

1245
01:02:30,260 --> 01:02:32,385
productive at work.

1246
01:02:32,385 --> 01:02:35,802
If you're one of those people
who's more you know gets all of

1247
01:02:35,862 --> 01:02:38,518
their work done, plus some maybe
in the afternoon, because

1248
01:02:38,557 --> 01:02:42,626
that's when your energy clock,
your internal clock, is lean

1249
01:02:42,686 --> 01:02:47,807
into that like you don't need to
be sitting at your desk doing

1250
01:02:48,009 --> 01:02:51,318
like forcing yourself the
emotional labor to do something,

1251
01:02:51,318 --> 01:02:54,126
when instead you, if you
naturally lean into like those

1252
01:02:54,206 --> 01:02:57,679
times of productivity, it's just
going to be more.

1253
01:02:57,679 --> 01:02:58,965
You're going to get more done.

1254
01:02:58,965 --> 01:03:00,170
That's the argument.

1255
01:03:00,170 --> 01:03:01,920
The argument is you're going to
get more work done.

1256
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,494
It's going to be more efficient
because you're just kind of

1257
01:03:04,514 --> 01:03:07,340
leaning into those flows instead
of just sitting nine to five at

1258
01:03:07,340 --> 01:03:07,762
a desk.

1259
01:03:07,762 --> 01:03:11,217
And I get that because that's
how I work, I'm, I am a, I am.

1260
01:03:11,237 --> 01:03:13,563
I am the brightest from 10 am to
3 pm.

1261
01:03:13,563 --> 01:03:17,932
Anytime outside of that, I am
the brightest from 10 am to 3 pm

1262
01:03:17,932 --> 01:03:17,932
.

1263
01:03:17,932 --> 01:03:20,018
Anytime I'm outside of that.

1264
01:03:20,018 --> 01:03:22,326
I am like starting to hit a
wall.

1265
01:03:22,326 --> 01:03:25,023
I'm not going to do very
creative things.

1266
01:03:25,023 --> 01:03:28,644
I may be making a little more
mistakes if I'm like fatigued.

1267
01:03:28,644 --> 01:03:31,918
So I will take a break and I
cleaned my old bathroom

1268
01:03:31,938 --> 01:03:37,097
yesterday for an hour and I
don't care, like that's just

1269
01:03:37,117 --> 01:03:37,498
what I did.

1270
01:03:37,498 --> 01:03:38,702
And guess what?

1271
01:03:38,702 --> 01:03:40,842
Work life that is life balance.

1272
01:03:40,842 --> 01:03:42,943
I'm able to do my work really
well.

1273
01:03:42,943 --> 01:03:46,684
I spit out a crap ton of job
aids that I made and I cleaned

1274
01:03:46,704 --> 01:03:47,126
my bathroom.

1275
01:03:47,126 --> 01:03:48,119
So what more do you want from
me?

1276
01:03:48,119 --> 01:03:50,260
You wine lady?

1277
01:03:51,077 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 2: That's a perfect
example you can.

1278
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,851
If you have the right
discipline, you can do that.

1279
01:03:54,851 --> 01:03:55,514
That's a perfect example you
can.

1280
01:03:55,514 --> 01:03:56,597
If you have the right
discipline, you can do that.

1281
01:03:56,597 --> 01:03:59,766
And I absolutely agree with the
theory of in situations where

1282
01:03:59,885 --> 01:04:00,467
it's possible.

1283
01:04:01,576 --> 01:04:06,047
If I am not a morning person, I
am dragging ass.

1284
01:04:06,047 --> 01:04:08,885
I can't even remember leaving
the house most mornings.

1285
01:04:08,885 --> 01:04:12,157
I feel like I wake up at work
all of a sudden With my hour and

1286
01:04:12,157 --> 01:04:12,679
a half commute.

1287
01:04:12,679 --> 01:04:14,724
I don't know where I was
driving or anything like that,

1288
01:04:20,275 --> 01:04:21,938
but I wake up at work and then
around 10 o'clock I'm starting

1289
01:04:21,978 --> 01:04:23,722
to hit my stride and two or
three I'm like, okay, the stride

1290
01:04:23,722 --> 01:04:26,690
is slowing down a little bit.

1291
01:04:26,690 --> 01:04:31,539
But for my assistant, she is a
morning person and she likes

1292
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:35,027
being here in the morning and
she asked to modify her hours to

1293
01:04:35,027 --> 01:04:35,387
be earlier.

1294
01:04:35,387 --> 01:04:36,509
I'm like, sure, I don't care.

1295
01:04:36,509 --> 01:04:40,759
She is so funny at times I
don't know if she actively

1296
01:04:40,818 --> 01:04:43,739
listens to it, probably, or
podcasts it up, but she's so

1297
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:43,960
funny.

1298
01:04:44,014 --> 01:04:45,380
She was asked about leaving
early.

1299
01:04:45,380 --> 01:04:48,023
I'm like, as long as things are
done, I don't.

1300
01:04:48,023 --> 01:04:51,423
I'm trying to break myself of
the habit of saying I don't care

1301
01:04:51,423 --> 01:04:51,423
.

1302
01:04:51,423 --> 01:05:02,239
But I said as long as things
are done, I don't care.

1303
01:05:02,239 --> 01:05:03,503
I'd rather you leave than sit
there and pretend to be busy for

1304
01:05:03,503 --> 01:05:04,527
half an hour and and things
like that, or coming up.

1305
01:05:04,527 --> 01:05:05,751
I mean, if, if you leave early
and I'm like, oh my god, where

1306
01:05:05,771 --> 01:05:07,175
where is this, why isn't this
done, then we got an issue.

1307
01:05:07,175 --> 01:05:10,963
But if everything's done and
there's no reason for you to

1308
01:05:11,003 --> 01:05:15,184
just twitter your thumbs or make
busy work or anything like that

1309
01:05:15,184 --> 01:05:16,289
, and you, you can.

1310
01:05:16,289 --> 01:05:20,280
I'm I'm trying to be as open
with her as I can, but she's

1311
01:05:20,380 --> 01:05:24,534
really she's like I don't know
what the right word is she's

1312
01:05:24,755 --> 01:05:25,538
very diligent.

1313
01:05:25,538 --> 01:05:28,806
I guess it's not as important
to me.

1314
01:05:28,806 --> 01:05:29,728
I will.

1315
01:05:30,110 --> 01:05:32,976
Speaker 3: I will also say, like
my little tangent there it goes

1316
01:05:32,976 --> 01:05:33,958
into the workspace too.

1317
01:05:33,958 --> 01:05:36,846
I mean, I'm, I'm right in the
middle, I'm 50, 50.

1318
01:05:36,846 --> 01:05:40,293
I love working from home, but I
also love seeing people in

1319
01:05:40,313 --> 01:05:42,998
person, building those
relationships and like

1320
01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:44,822
brainstorming in groups.

1321
01:05:44,822 --> 01:05:47,327
Like I love that in-person
piece too.

1322
01:05:47,327 --> 01:05:52,865
I'm just asking that, as
companies are bringing people,

1323
01:05:52,967 --> 01:05:56,333
are calling people back into the
office, which is natural,

1324
01:05:56,434 --> 01:06:00,105
because my theory is like the
pendulum has swung.

1325
01:06:00,105 --> 01:06:02,152
Right, everyone wanted remote
work.

1326
01:06:02,152 --> 01:06:04,717
We've been in remote work for
about five years now.

1327
01:06:04,717 --> 01:06:09,208
The pendulum is slowly going to
swing and that's driven by the

1328
01:06:09,275 --> 01:06:11,179
employee, not the employer.

1329
01:06:11,179 --> 01:06:13,706
The employee will want to come
back to the office.

1330
01:06:13,706 --> 01:06:15,958
The employee will want a hybrid
work environment.

1331
01:06:15,958 --> 01:06:17,824
That's what they're going to be
seeing, because they're going

1332
01:06:17,844 --> 01:06:19,096
to start to feel isolation.

1333
01:06:19,978 --> 01:06:22,965
My only ask is that, as we're
calling people back for a hybrid

1334
01:06:22,965 --> 01:06:27,461
environment, let's do it
intentionally and let's not put

1335
01:06:27,521 --> 01:06:28,826
these stupid things in.

1336
01:06:28,885 --> 01:06:30,737
It's like, well, if you're going
to be in the office, we have to

1337
01:06:30,737 --> 01:06:34,945
be butts in seats eight to five
and like, right, you have to

1338
01:06:34,985 --> 01:06:38,197
still allow people the
flexibility they've had for the

1339
01:06:38,237 --> 01:06:38,998
past five years.

1340
01:06:38,998 --> 01:06:44,054
Like if I need to leave because
great example, friday afternoon

1341
01:06:44,054 --> 01:06:48,943
, bean has physical therapy for
her little feet and it's like I

1342
01:06:48,983 --> 01:06:49,184
need.

1343
01:06:49,184 --> 01:06:52,396
I don't want people giving me
side eye.

1344
01:06:52,396 --> 01:06:56,244
I don't want people judging me
like we've left all of that back

1345
01:06:56,244 --> 01:06:57,608
in the 2010s.

1346
01:06:57,608 --> 01:06:58,916
Like those are done.

1347
01:06:58,916 --> 01:07:03,947
Let people come to work with
purpose and, if they need to

1348
01:07:04,007 --> 01:07:08,083
leave to go take care of stuff
like, as long as their

1349
01:07:08,123 --> 01:07:11,893
productivity is great and
they're excellent employees and

1350
01:07:11,914 --> 01:07:14,983
they're doing what is asked,
surprisingly, I'm going to

1351
01:07:15,023 --> 01:07:17,420
guarantee, with that flexibility
, they will do even more.

1352
01:07:17,420 --> 01:07:23,646
But don't, when you're putting
these policies back for hybrid

1353
01:07:23,666 --> 01:07:29,458
work, don't make stupid rules
that don't make sense, because

1354
01:07:29,539 --> 01:07:31,956
then you're going to be like
this Uline woman who's like

1355
01:07:31,998 --> 01:07:33,282
where are all the people going?

1356
01:07:33,282 --> 01:07:34,882
I can tell you where the people
are going.

1357
01:07:34,882 --> 01:07:37,702
They're going to companies with
more flexible cultures and

1358
01:07:37,742 --> 01:07:38,284
environments.

1359
01:07:39,614 --> 01:07:42,902
Speaker 2: You know, in terms of
that this goes back to the 90s

1360
01:07:43,344 --> 01:07:43,744
I mentioned.

1361
01:07:43,744 --> 01:07:46,940
I was living in Maryland, I was
working in the DC area in

1362
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,744
general, the company I worked
for we had core hours and that

1363
01:07:50,764 --> 01:07:52,355
was the first time I'd ever
heard of core hours.

1364
01:07:52,516 --> 01:07:54,021
Speaker 3: Yes, I love core
hours.

1365
01:07:59,541 --> 01:08:01,150
Speaker 2: You know our company
core hours are, let's say

1366
01:08:01,170 --> 01:08:01,934
they're 10 to 3.

1367
01:08:01,934 --> 01:08:04,561
You can come in at 10, and that
just means you're leaving at 7

1368
01:08:04,458 --> 01:08:04,836
or whatever.

1369
01:08:04,836 --> 01:08:04,797
I can't do the math there.

1370
01:08:04,797 --> 01:08:07,166
Or you can come in at 7 and
leave at 3.

1371
01:08:07,166 --> 01:08:11,550
But the core hours, you know,
they wanted everybody there 10

1372
01:08:11,570 --> 01:08:11,913
to 3.

1373
01:08:11,913 --> 01:08:13,976
Yeah, and there were so many
companies that did that.

1374
01:08:13,996 --> 01:08:18,262
Because, let me tell you in this
was the 90s, dc traffic was

1375
01:08:18,663 --> 01:08:20,326
horrible in the 90s.

1376
01:08:20,326 --> 01:08:23,310
I can't fathom what it would be
today.

1377
01:08:23,310 --> 01:08:27,079
I would, I don't know, I would
go crazy up there now.

1378
01:08:27,079 --> 01:08:33,497
But my company, the express
purpose, was to let employees

1379
01:08:33,556 --> 01:08:35,202
avoid the worst of the traffic.

1380
01:08:35,202 --> 01:08:37,797
If you were a morning person,
you could avoid it coming in the

1381
01:08:37,797 --> 01:08:38,038
morning.

1382
01:08:38,038 --> 01:08:40,536
If you were an afternoon person
, you could avoid it coming

1383
01:08:40,595 --> 01:08:43,444
after the main rush hour and it
worked real well.

1384
01:08:44,186 --> 01:08:48,481
They very rarely ever had
anything going on that was

1385
01:08:48,542 --> 01:08:49,386
outside the core hours.

1386
01:08:49,386 --> 01:08:51,514
And if they did, it was one of
the things.

1387
01:08:51,514 --> 01:08:52,395
We've been flexible with you.

1388
01:08:52,395 --> 01:08:54,039
You're going to have to be
flexible with us.

1389
01:08:54,039 --> 01:08:54,740
We can.

1390
01:08:54,740 --> 01:08:57,167
You know we can't get around
this eight 30 meeting this week.

1391
01:08:57,167 --> 01:08:59,521
Or you know our client is
coming at eight 30.

1392
01:08:59,521 --> 01:09:00,578
That's when they can be here.

1393
01:09:00,578 --> 01:09:03,386
So, yes, you're going to be
here and that happened.

1394
01:09:03,386 --> 01:09:07,256
I can count on my fingers how
many times things like that

1395
01:09:07,277 --> 01:09:11,199
would happen, but it's like
everybody Okay, it would be okay

1396
01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:11,199
.

1397
01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:16,244
Next Thursday it's going to be
everybody's here for whatever.

1398
01:09:16,244 --> 01:09:22,550
And it wasn't a thing, it
really wasn't, and I think

1399
01:09:23,511 --> 01:09:24,650
everybody appreciated it.

1400
01:09:27,755 --> 01:09:29,194
Speaker 3: I know we do this, I
know we're going along too, but

1401
01:09:30,057 --> 01:09:35,600
I know we do this in HR as a CYA
, Like we sometimes create

1402
01:09:35,659 --> 01:09:38,846
policies for the lowest
denominator of the group.

1403
01:09:38,846 --> 01:09:41,216
Yes, Just like.

1404
01:09:41,216 --> 01:09:45,988
I think we kind of need to stop
doing that.

1405
01:09:45,988 --> 01:09:49,081
Like we need to stop making
blanket policies because we

1406
01:09:49,161 --> 01:09:52,287
assume people will take
advantage of something.

1407
01:09:52,287 --> 01:09:55,740
We need to stop making policies
because we assume the worst in

1408
01:09:55,780 --> 01:10:00,489
people, because I'm this is me
being very, not jaded.

1409
01:10:00,590 --> 01:10:01,893
This is a personal opinion.

1410
01:10:01,893 --> 01:10:06,100
I think about 90% of the people
are.

1411
01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:09,988
I think 90% of people 95, 95%
of people just want to come to

1412
01:10:10,007 --> 01:10:13,621
work and do a good job, go home
and live their life and if you

1413
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:18,076
have that, like one person who's
taking advantage of permissive

1414
01:10:18,117 --> 01:10:23,170
time, who's taking who's not
dressing appropriately at work,

1415
01:10:23,390 --> 01:10:26,957
or who may be like taking
advantage of core hours here and

1416
01:10:26,957 --> 01:10:30,886
there, like, have a
conversation with that person

1417
01:10:31,966 --> 01:10:35,819
and manage that individual, we
don't need to make these I'm

1418
01:10:35,841 --> 01:10:37,925
going to say oppressive policies
.

1419
01:10:37,925 --> 01:10:41,538
We're gone, it's again.

1420
01:10:41,538 --> 01:10:42,823
We're past that.

1421
01:10:42,823 --> 01:10:44,922
Just learn to manage.

1422
01:10:44,922 --> 01:10:48,341
Train your leaders to manage,
that's all.

1423
01:10:49,243 --> 01:10:52,962
Speaker 2: Well, last thing, I
worked for a company and, being

1424
01:10:53,002 --> 01:10:54,983
in HR, I'm starting my first day
, bright-eyed, bushy tail.

1425
01:10:54,983 --> 01:10:56,051
And I said and being in HR, I'm
starting my first day,

1426
01:10:56,072 --> 01:11:00,963
bright-eyed, bushy-tail and I
said to the director of HR I

1427
01:11:01,003 --> 01:11:03,028
said I didn't get a copy of the
handbook.

1428
01:11:03,028 --> 01:11:05,519
I want to get a copy of the
handbook, I want to dive into it

1429
01:11:05,519 --> 01:11:06,984
and really become familiar with
it.

1430
01:11:06,984 --> 01:11:11,743
And she said and this was a
fairly a good mid-sized company,

1431
01:11:11,743 --> 01:11:14,046
not large, but we don't have a
handbook.

1432
01:11:14,046 --> 01:11:17,112
I was like what she says't have
a handbook.

1433
01:11:17,131 --> 01:11:22,198
I was like what she says, we
have a few individual policies.

1434
01:11:22,198 --> 01:11:23,462
And she said, which pointed me
to the intranet site, the

1435
01:11:23,483 --> 01:11:24,225
internal website, where they
were.

1436
01:11:24,225 --> 01:11:24,948
And she goes, but she goes.

1437
01:11:24,948 --> 01:11:28,976
I really like to minimize
policies to maximize flexibility

1438
01:11:28,976 --> 01:11:32,201
and even though she was not one
of my favorite managers, was

1439
01:11:32,220 --> 01:11:33,743
not one of my favorite managers
leaders that I had.

1440
01:11:33,743 --> 01:11:37,206
That philosophy has stuck with
me ever since.

1441
01:11:37,206 --> 01:11:48,395
Now I completely disagree with
not having a handbook, but I do

1442
01:11:48,456 --> 01:11:49,679
agree with the philosophy of
minimizing policies to maximize

1443
01:11:49,698 --> 01:11:51,122
flexibility Because, yeah, let's
deal with things on a

1444
01:11:51,243 --> 01:11:55,020
one-on-one situation and, you
know, if it's something's

1445
01:11:55,041 --> 01:11:57,497
something big, yeah, we'll
probably need to make a policy

1446
01:11:57,556 --> 01:11:58,420
or something out of it but.

1447
01:11:58,439 --> 01:11:58,902
If it's not.

1448
01:11:58,902 --> 01:12:01,109
It's not huge, you know.

1449
01:12:01,109 --> 01:12:04,238
If it's only one person every
10 years that's having this

1450
01:12:04,298 --> 01:12:06,225
problem, you don't need a policy
for it.

1451
01:12:06,225 --> 01:12:09,394
Yeah, so all right.

1452
01:12:09,394 --> 01:12:10,698
Well, this has been really long
.

1453
01:12:10,698 --> 01:12:13,082
I'm gonna have some fun editing
this.

1454
01:12:13,082 --> 01:12:16,099
We went everywhere with it, but
let's see here, get our thank

1455
01:12:16,139 --> 01:12:16,962
yous out of the way.

1456
01:12:16,962 --> 01:12:20,581
So our Patreon supporters
Hallie, the original Jaded HR,

1457
01:12:20,621 --> 01:12:24,608
rockstar Bill and Mike, thank
you very much for supporting us

1458
01:12:24,688 --> 01:12:25,229
on Patreon.

1459
01:12:25,229 --> 01:12:25,750
You can too.

1460
01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:27,539
I did look for reviews.

1461
01:12:27,539 --> 01:12:29,345
Very briefly, I only checked
Apple.

1462
01:12:29,345 --> 01:12:32,380
I did not see any new reviews,
so please review us.

1463
01:12:32,380 --> 01:12:34,479
That's how people are going to
be able to find us.

1464
01:12:34,881 --> 01:12:35,604
Spread the word.

1465
01:12:35,604 --> 01:12:39,560
You know we're having near
record months of downloads.

1466
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:40,282
Lately.

1467
01:12:40,282 --> 01:12:42,605
We we've been like dozens.

1468
01:12:42,605 --> 01:12:47,141
For may, we were literally less
than 100 downloads away from a

1469
01:12:47,181 --> 01:12:49,975
record, and we didn't publish an
episode at the end of may like

1470
01:12:50,015 --> 01:12:52,362
we were supposed to, so we would
have hit a record then.

1471
01:12:52,362 --> 01:12:55,136
June was a good month for
downloads.

1472
01:12:55,136 --> 01:12:56,231
So not close well, not close to
record, but it's.

1473
01:12:56,231 --> 01:12:56,465
June was a good month for
downloads.

1474
01:12:56,465 --> 01:12:58,930
So not close, well, not close
to record, but it's still a very

1475
01:12:58,930 --> 01:13:01,621
good month for downloads, and
so hopefully we'll do.

1476
01:13:01,621 --> 01:13:04,667
Oh, actually, july probably is
not going to be a good month

1477
01:13:04,768 --> 01:13:06,314
because we're not recording.

1478
01:13:06,314 --> 01:13:13,288
Our next episode is not going
to be until August the 7th.

1479
01:13:13,954 --> 01:13:16,444
Speaker 3: Because Warren is
going on a mini retirement.

1480
01:13:17,015 --> 01:13:19,143
Speaker 2: I am going on a mini
retirement outside of the

1481
01:13:19,203 --> 01:13:25,217
country and I am going to be at
all-inclusive resorts, so all

1482
01:13:25,257 --> 01:13:29,882
the alcohol I can drink, I am
intending on being buzzed for

1483
01:13:31,104 --> 01:13:35,042
multiple weeks at a time and not
getting beyond buzzed, but

1484
01:13:35,202 --> 01:13:36,286
having some good times.

1485
01:13:37,274 --> 01:13:39,220
Speaker 3: And you have to tell
me if this happens to you.

1486
01:13:39,220 --> 01:13:44,301
Every time Kevin and I go on a
cruise or a resort where there's

1487
01:13:44,301 --> 01:13:48,760
just like people you meet right
, we always seem to find the

1488
01:13:48,940 --> 01:13:53,238
other HR people every single
effing time and it's like

1489
01:13:53,279 --> 01:13:57,145
clockwork and they are usually
the most unhinged people on

1490
01:13:57,185 --> 01:13:57,746
vacation.

1491
01:13:57,746 --> 01:14:03,614
Like we were just floating in
the pool on our last cruise and

1492
01:14:03,635 --> 01:14:06,600
this woman floats up to us and
she's a little drunk but very

1493
01:14:06,659 --> 01:14:10,297
talkative and very extroverted
and after a couple minutes of

1494
01:14:10,318 --> 01:14:13,136
talking she's like a VP of HR at
some company and we're like

1495
01:14:13,157 --> 01:14:13,739
we're in HR too.

1496
01:14:13,739 --> 01:14:16,944
That woman was like, oh, we're
best friends now.

1497
01:14:16,944 --> 01:14:20,042
And I'm like, oh, and she was
getting shots.

1498
01:14:20,042 --> 01:14:23,484
She was like I know what you go
through.

1499
01:14:23,484 --> 01:14:26,280
We're here to party and it was
very fun.

1500
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,283
This has happened three times.

1501
01:14:28,283 --> 01:14:34,528
The HR people on vacation pro
tip for anyone who is not in HR

1502
01:14:35,095 --> 01:14:37,539
Go find them out, because we're
the ones that are letting off

1503
01:14:37,579 --> 01:14:40,326
the most steam and we are most
likely the most unhinged people

1504
01:14:40,405 --> 01:14:41,047
at the pool bar.

1505
01:14:42,755 --> 01:14:44,381
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm super
excited.

1506
01:14:44,381 --> 01:14:49,488
This is my first vacation since
1999 without any kids involved.

1507
01:14:49,488 --> 01:14:52,384
So, yes, very excited about
that.

1508
01:14:52,384 --> 01:14:55,923
But going to your point about
unhinged HR, you know Feathers

1509
01:14:55,944 --> 01:14:57,027
and I were fraternity brothers.

1510
01:14:57,027 --> 01:15:00,265
We tailgate all football season
long together and we're

1511
01:15:00,551 --> 01:15:03,184
together and people always like
you two are in HR.

1512
01:15:03,184 --> 01:15:07,585
We're like we're a little wild
and crazy and we get out there

1513
01:15:07,908 --> 01:15:09,860
sometimes and you two are in HR
Like yep.

1514
01:15:11,775 --> 01:15:13,443
Speaker 3: This is why we are
like that.

1515
01:15:13,614 --> 01:15:16,605
Speaker 2: So, yeah, we know how
to party, we know how to throw

1516
01:15:16,646 --> 01:15:21,684
down, so yeah, but yeah, next
episode will be August 7th.

1517
01:15:21,684 --> 01:15:23,922
So enjoy your break from us.

1518
01:15:23,922 --> 01:15:27,364
Please come back in August and
we'll have some.

1519
01:15:27,364 --> 01:15:33,546
We we're planning what I think
is going to be like a truly epic

1520
01:15:33,546 --> 01:15:34,208
episode.

1521
01:15:34,208 --> 01:15:36,202
That's just too good.

1522
01:15:36,202 --> 01:15:36,563
I meant to.

1523
01:15:36,563 --> 01:15:37,859
I meant to do it this week.

1524
01:15:37,859 --> 01:15:40,439
I just ran out of time, but I
think I'll be able to come up

1525
01:15:40,458 --> 01:15:44,539
with some time to do all the the
pre, the work that's going to

1526
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,043
need to go into this ahead of
time.

1527
01:15:46,043 --> 01:15:47,547
So yeah, it'll be.

1528
01:15:47,547 --> 01:15:50,818
I think maybe we'll try that
one in August and then maybe

1529
01:15:50,858 --> 01:15:54,841
we'll do we'll also have a
Office episode for the Alliance

1530
01:15:55,283 --> 01:15:58,185
coming up soon too.

1531
01:15:58,185 --> 01:16:02,791
So yay, wow, really long
episode.

1532
01:16:02,791 --> 01:16:03,671
We'll edit it down.

1533
01:16:03,671 --> 01:16:08,219
Try and keep it around an hour,
even though it's almost an hour

1534
01:16:08,219 --> 01:16:08,439
and a half.

1535
01:16:08,458 --> 01:16:10,182
What's wrong with us, I don't
know.

1536
01:16:10,182 --> 01:16:11,024
Good episode, though.

1537
01:16:11,024 --> 01:16:12,488
Thank you very much to
everybody.

1538
01:16:12,488 --> 01:16:15,686
But, as all, oh, I gave our
Patreon supporters, but the

1539
01:16:15,766 --> 01:16:19,601
intro is Andrew Culpa and the
music is the underscore

1540
01:16:19,943 --> 01:16:20,444
orchestra.

1541
01:16:20,444 --> 01:16:21,327
Devil with the devil.

1542
01:16:21,327 --> 01:16:23,322
So that's what I'm going to say
.

1543
01:16:23,322 --> 01:16:24,979
As always, I'm Warren.

1544
01:16:25,381 --> 01:16:25,844
Speaker 3: I'm Cece.

1545
01:16:26,916 --> 01:16:28,462
Speaker 2: And we're here
helping you survive.

1546
01:16:28,462 --> 01:16:29,497
Hr one.

1547
01:16:29,497 --> 01:16:31,404
What the fuck moment at a time.

1548
01:16:31,404 --> 01:16:38,881
Yay.