WEBVTT 00:00:02.023 --> 00:00:09.814 Had you actually read the email, you would know that the podcast you are about to listen to could contain explicit language and offensive content. 00:00:09.814 --> 00:00:16.480 These HR experts' views are not representative of their past, present or future employers. 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:19.707 If you have ever heard my manager is unfair to me. 00:00:19.707 --> 00:00:26.548 I need you to reset my HR portal password, or Can I write up my employee for crying too much? 00:00:26.548 --> 00:00:28.827 Welcome to our little safe zone. 00:00:55.776 --> 00:01:05.171 Welcome to Jaded HR, the podcast by two HR professionals who want to help you get through the workday by saying everything you're thinking, but say it out loud. 00:01:05.171 --> 00:01:06.013 I'm Warren. 00:01:06.736 --> 00:01:14.352 I'm Cece, all right, and I'm going to keep that intro in there, as I saw it went down 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, and we were still talking, so I'm going to keep that in there. 00:01:14.352 --> 00:01:18.721 That person is not one of my favorite people on earth, but anyhow. 00:01:18.721 --> 00:01:23.024 So yeah, you know, we were just talking off air. 00:01:23.024 --> 00:01:28.246 It seems like there was no big deal or drama or anything from the SHRM conference. 00:01:28.246 --> 00:01:37.033 I didn't see any really I don't know what demonizing posts about SHRM 2025. 00:01:37.033 --> 00:01:39.715 I didn't see anything terrific either. 00:01:39.715 --> 00:01:41.897 I didn't see, and SHRM didn't put a lot of stuff. 00:01:41.897 --> 00:01:42.736 I did look on LinkedIn a little bit. 00:01:42.736 --> 00:01:43.677 I didn't spend a lot of stuff. 00:01:43.677 --> 00:01:44.978 I did look on linkedin a little bit. 00:01:44.978 --> 00:01:53.430 I didn't spend a lot of time on it but to see what sherm was posting about sherm 2025, and I didn't see it was very quiet a heck of a lot I did see some stuff. 00:01:54.013 --> 00:01:55.640 I did see some positive stuff on reddit. 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:57.346 People said they got stuff out of it. 00:01:57.346 --> 00:02:01.921 I was even on the, the subreddit for hr, and someone was talking about some stuff. 00:02:01.921 --> 00:02:11.001 They learned about succession and talent management and I'm like, ooh, I want to share your notes and I was trying to, but no, I was just going to say. 00:02:11.001 --> 00:02:13.949 I just think that for the most part, people, people had a good time. 00:02:13.949 --> 00:02:15.271 So yay. 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:35.585 Well, we were also talking off the fair that I hadn't listened to any podcasts in about a month, but I listened to our episode from the beginning of June this evening on my way home and, boy, I uploaded the wrong episode with the edits and it was partially edited and then the intro comes like midways. 00:02:35.585 --> 00:02:40.701 I didn't do my job, so the audio quality sucked on that one, and it was. 00:02:40.701 --> 00:02:42.463 It was really badly done. 00:02:42.463 --> 00:02:52.996 But one that came to mind speaking of SHRM, and this popped in my head because you wanted to go to the PSYOPs Is that what it's called, yeah, convention? 00:02:53.860 --> 00:03:00.274 And I was like, what organization out there is there that could potentially replace SHRM? 00:03:00.274 --> 00:03:10.941 You know you have Hacking HR, you have, oh, you have. 00:03:10.941 --> 00:03:13.485 There's a couple of contenders out there, but I think that might be a topic for another episode. 00:03:13.485 --> 00:03:23.730 And, dear listener, go to the show notes and send us a text and give us your ideas of what you think might be a replacement for SHRM is. 00:03:23.730 --> 00:03:29.389 I was thinking you have you know what, what is out there that that could replace SHRM? 00:03:29.389 --> 00:03:33.925 So, anyways, we will, we will talk about that, but I'm. 00:03:34.165 --> 00:03:51.211 I am very biased towards PSYOP, but yeah, just because it's, it's PSYOP the Society for Industrial Organizational Psychology so it's very science-based, which I like, but it is not SIOP, the International Pediatric Oncology Congress. 00:03:51.211 --> 00:03:53.187 That is not the SIOP I'm talking about. 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:55.407 I know nothing about pediatric oncology. 00:03:55.407 --> 00:03:57.745 Yeah, that's something awful to think about. 00:03:58.527 --> 00:03:59.189 Yeah, exactly. 00:03:59.189 --> 00:04:01.649 But no, I just did a really quick Google. 00:04:01.649 --> 00:04:03.486 It came up number one. 00:04:03.486 --> 00:04:04.860 I was like I should probably clarify. 00:04:04.860 --> 00:04:05.901 But yeah, I should probably clarify. 00:04:05.901 --> 00:04:07.122 But yeah, I like it. 00:04:07.122 --> 00:04:11.205 It's more of a scientific practice than some of the. 00:04:11.205 --> 00:04:25.375 I think some of the stuff you talk about, warren, where it's like the fluffy stuff, the feel-good stuff, like the stuff that makes me roll my eyes because it feels like a pseudoscience, but PSYOP makes it feel like it's an actual science. 00:04:25.375 --> 00:04:27.737 So that's why maybe that's the answer. 00:04:31.180 --> 00:04:33.694 I might check into some of that, as that seems really, really cool. 00:04:34.259 --> 00:04:38.367 But yeah, you were mentioning that in that episode I was listening to on the way home today. 00:04:38.367 --> 00:04:39.189 I was like, oh okay. 00:04:39.189 --> 00:04:53.769 Well, there's two big things sort of happening in the world right now, and one being today, July 8th, is the start of Amazon Prime week, so I am guilty of shopping online. 00:04:53.769 --> 00:04:59.612 I bought myself it, so it was on Prime from like $45 to $17. 00:04:59.612 --> 00:05:02.428 I do some woodworking on the side. 00:05:02.428 --> 00:05:06.644 I got a new pocket hole jig, so I went online. 00:05:06.663 --> 00:05:09.627 I got got a new pocket hole jig, so I went online. 00:05:09.627 --> 00:05:10.627 I got myself a new pocket hole jig. 00:05:10.627 --> 00:05:12.028 It's a Vivor, whatever the brand is. 00:05:12.028 --> 00:05:13.430 I've had a couple of those things. 00:05:13.430 --> 00:05:14.130 It's Chinese. 00:05:14.130 --> 00:05:17.634 It's not total crap, but it's, you know, for the price. 00:05:17.634 --> 00:05:24.567 I'll take it, and I needed a new one anyway, and at $17, if it lasts me a project or two, I'll be happy. 00:05:24.567 --> 00:05:26.411 That's why I bought for myself. 00:05:26.411 --> 00:05:28.925 I bought one thing on Amazon Prime today. 00:05:28.925 --> 00:05:35.728 I did bookmark a couple things or put it in a wish list to share with my wife see if we're going to be interested in it. 00:05:35.728 --> 00:05:36.451 But how about you? 00:05:36.451 --> 00:05:39.644 Did you do your online shopping instead of working today? 00:05:40.805 --> 00:05:46.293 First of all, I just need to ask are you like the real world version of ron swanson? 00:05:46.795 --> 00:05:51.309 oh, many ways I am, except he had an awesome head of hair. 00:05:51.309 --> 00:06:00.680 I used to claim myself as a libertarian, I don't anymore, but yeah, and strangely enough, watching parks and rec, we wore a lot of the same wardrobe. 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:03.166 The exact same like long sleeve and I. 00:06:03.166 --> 00:06:10.334 The brand is Hagar long sleeve polos and I had some of the exact same ones that Ron Swanson had. 00:06:10.334 --> 00:06:18.701 And I remember one time we're watching an episode and my wife says you're wearing the exact same shirt as he is and I was yeah. 00:06:18.701 --> 00:06:21.947 So yeah, I, I can be a bit of a Ron Swanson. 00:06:21.947 --> 00:06:24.612 I'm actually in the process right now of over. 00:06:24.692 --> 00:06:27.706 When I was in the hospital I was supposed to be building a shed. 00:06:27.706 --> 00:06:30.007 I bought all the wood and everything to build a shed. 00:06:30.007 --> 00:06:31.865 Well, not, I thought I bought all the wood. 00:06:31.865 --> 00:06:41.622 The kit company shorted me and I've been running to Home Depot a few times, but which is not close to me, but anyways, been doing that and so I didn't do it. 00:06:41.622 --> 00:06:44.305 Memorial Day weekend, I did as much as I could. 00:06:44.305 --> 00:06:48.387 Fourth of July weekend, until I ran out of some needed lumber. 00:06:48.387 --> 00:06:55.113 But yeah, I love, I like woodworking, I like doing things with my hands, I like getting out there and doing stuff. 00:06:55.113 --> 00:06:58.757 Yeah, I could definitely be compared to Ron Swanson. 00:06:58.757 --> 00:07:02.761 I identify with him very much. 00:07:02.781 --> 00:07:04.863 Put those tears back in your eyes where they belong. 00:07:04.863 --> 00:07:07.026 Put those tears back in your eyes where they belong. 00:07:07.047 --> 00:07:08.507 Put them back in your eyes where they belong. 00:07:08.507 --> 00:07:10.149 As for Amazon Prime, I didn't. 00:07:10.149 --> 00:07:14.355 Well, I did some shopping, so I magically passed CC. 00:07:14.355 --> 00:07:25.666 I was actually looking out for future CC because I did one of those things where I had things in my shopping cart and I thought I ordered it but I forgot. 00:07:25.666 --> 00:07:31.526 So, anyway, I remember today, and like half the things or most, I would say like all of the things were marked down that were already in my shopping cart, so I was like perfect. 00:07:31.526 --> 00:07:33.987 And then nothing really entertaining though. 00:07:33.987 --> 00:07:39.468 I just bought some new clothes for Bean and she got a new electric toothbrush too. 00:07:39.468 --> 00:07:44.526 So yeah, I know we're brushing teeth and we're almost walking. 00:07:44.666 --> 00:07:47.264 So she's a big girl I was going to ask Almost there walking. 00:07:47.264 --> 00:07:50.625 Walking doesn't last long before it's running. 00:07:50.625 --> 00:07:52.069 And then that's. 00:07:52.391 --> 00:07:52.711 Yeah. 00:07:52.711 --> 00:07:54.225 So, here's a funny story. 00:07:54.225 --> 00:07:58.411 I got up out of bed this morning and I went down the stairs and my knee started to randomly click. 00:07:58.411 --> 00:08:01.064 And I'm like, why is my knee clicking as I go down the stairs? 00:08:01.064 --> 00:08:06.194 And then I'm like, is this a permanent thing, or is this a thing that's just going to pass? 00:08:06.194 --> 00:08:18.367 So I'm like I need to get my own physical health under control because I feel like the running for her is going to happen soon and I need to catch up. 00:08:18.367 --> 00:08:21.548 So yes, it's amazing. 00:08:22.341 --> 00:08:24.007 I remember that age very well. 00:08:24.007 --> 00:08:26.800 Yeah, let's see. 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:30.204 Yeah, well, here's something Now. 00:08:30.204 --> 00:08:41.832 I worked at a company once that Prime Day, when it was only one day, once upon a time, they would block Amazon from being able to do it at work. 00:08:41.832 --> 00:08:54.192 And from Thanksgiving on, anything retail would be blocked from work Really, yeah, especially Black Friday, and things would be blocked from the work computers. 00:08:54.192 --> 00:09:01.352 I actually see that as worse than allowing it First if people are not doing their job. 00:09:01.352 --> 00:09:07.133 I looked at PrimeList for a while and then I saw the pocket whole jig. 00:09:07.133 --> 00:09:09.043 I was like, oh, 17 bucks sold. 00:09:09.043 --> 00:09:14.634 I didn't spend hours looking and looking and then I didn't look after I got that. 00:09:14.779 --> 00:09:21.514 But anyways, I think by blocking those sites you're doing more harm than good. 00:09:21.514 --> 00:09:22.322 What are you going to do? 00:09:22.322 --> 00:09:29.787 You're going to reach and grab your cell phone, which is less efficient, and you're gonna be doing the exact same thing on your cell phone. 00:09:29.787 --> 00:09:47.975 If you're having a problem with people spending too much time shopping online, you handle that on a case-by-case basis, but if if it's, you know, cyber Monday or Amazon Prime Day or whatever it is, let it go to a certain extent. 00:09:47.975 --> 00:09:51.529 I mean, don't let someone spend all day shopping online. 00:09:53.400 --> 00:09:57.028 But for me today it was no different than any other time. 00:09:57.028 --> 00:10:02.567 I get a bug up my butt to say, oh, I want to buy this, I want to buy that, I go online and I buy it. 00:10:02.567 --> 00:10:07.062 To buy that, I go online and I buy it. 00:10:07.062 --> 00:10:07.465 Yeah, it really was. 00:10:07.465 --> 00:10:09.975 But I guess I spent a little bit my 10 minutes browsing, 15 minutes browsing, before I found this is. 00:10:09.975 --> 00:10:17.961 I didn't know it was for sale and I didn't know it was on sale, I should say, and I was like, okay, then that's, that was the extent of my shopping. 00:10:17.961 --> 00:10:23.019 But but what do you think about blocking shopping sites like during either? 00:10:23.019 --> 00:10:24.024 That's so stupid. 00:10:24.384 --> 00:10:26.705 I mean mean, like you said, if people are going to do it, they're going to do it. 00:10:26.705 --> 00:10:37.754 So and I I highly doubt that the majority of people are going to be spending like five, six, seven hours a day on the clock shopping. 00:10:37.754 --> 00:10:43.309 If anything, it might be like 10 minutes here, 15 minutes there. 00:10:43.309 --> 00:10:45.934 It's just such a small window of time. 00:10:45.934 --> 00:10:51.230 I highly doubt it's really damaging productivity and efficiency that much. 00:10:51.230 --> 00:10:56.566 I think it would be a waste of time and it would be like it kills morale too. 00:10:56.566 --> 00:11:00.100 It just feels like big brother is babysitting you and you're not trusted. 00:11:01.003 --> 00:11:03.168 Exactly, it's a morale issue too. 00:11:03.168 --> 00:11:05.832 Yeah, I didn't think of it that way, but yes, I would be. 00:11:05.832 --> 00:11:07.164 I'd be irritated. 00:11:07.164 --> 00:11:11.961 I don't remember being irritated when this other company I worked for was blocking those sites. 00:11:11.961 --> 00:11:13.125 Because what did I do? 00:11:13.125 --> 00:11:16.177 I picked up my phone and went to do it on my phone. 00:11:16.177 --> 00:11:26.770 Yeah, you know, and like I said, it takes you for me as an old geezer type guy, it takes me longer to shop online with my phone than it does on my computer. 00:11:26.770 --> 00:11:32.750 I can knock something out real quick there, but anyhow, that was another thing. 00:11:32.750 --> 00:11:35.606 But another milestone date passed. 00:11:35.606 --> 00:11:43.009 Since we last recorded, it's been 20 years of podcasts on Apple, of podcasts on Apple. 00:11:43.009 --> 00:11:45.433 That was June 28th 2025. 00:11:48.379 --> 00:11:53.253 Steve Jobs announced at the Worldwide Developers Conference that Apple would be supporting podcasts through iTunes. 00:11:53.253 --> 00:12:05.561 And if you YouTube the video of Steve Jobs announcing it and he's talking about he's basically introducing the world to podcasts, even though they've been around before then. 00:12:05.561 --> 00:12:08.567 And he opens up and he puts up in what? 00:12:08.567 --> 00:12:10.890 What five second blurb does he get? 00:12:10.890 --> 00:12:14.567 He opens it up to adam curry, who's known as the pod father. 00:12:14.628 --> 00:12:22.907 Now, if you, if you're of my age, in my generation, you remember adam curry as the mtv vj in the 80s and 90s. 00:12:22.907 --> 00:12:30.284 But now, now he's the pod father, he has like the first RSS feed for podcasts, apparently, or something like that. 00:12:30.284 --> 00:12:31.587 But he's on. 00:12:31.587 --> 00:12:42.744 Steve Jobs clicks the button to play a podcast and it's Adam Curry bitching about his Mac and how bad it is and everything, and so you only get five seconds of it. 00:12:42.744 --> 00:12:44.349 Some people say it was an accident. 00:12:44.349 --> 00:12:53.845 Adam Curry says it was done deliberately, as a jab apparently at the Mac development team that Steve Jobs was not happy with at the time. 00:12:53.845 --> 00:12:58.114 Yeah, so we will never know, but it brought me to think. 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:23.302 I believe that Because now that we know a little bit more about how well okay, like Steve Jobs is was a brilliant person, but we also now have a little more of about how well okay, like steve jobs is a was a brilliant person, but we also now have a little more of an inkling of his leadership style, which I would say is a little unorthodox and, yes, you know, not a work environment that I would like to work under, but I would say that that is highly calculated because that seems like something he would do and steve jobs is such a quirky individual. 00:13:23.322 --> 00:13:34.299 You know the story that sticks out in my mind his personal secretary was late to work one day because her car wouldn't start, so he instantly bought her a brand new car and it was something like expensive. 00:13:34.299 --> 00:13:41.309 I forget what it was and said now never be late to work again and I will never be, late to work. 00:13:42.100 --> 00:13:42.581 I would never. 00:13:42.581 --> 00:13:44.246 If I was his assistant. 00:13:44.246 --> 00:13:45.509 I would never be late to work again. 00:13:45.971 --> 00:13:46.192 Yeah. 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:50.148 If my boss just bought me a brand new car, I would be like you know what? 00:13:50.148 --> 00:13:51.751 True. 00:13:52.173 --> 00:13:52.393 Touche. 00:13:52.393 --> 00:13:55.147 You bought my loyalty. 00:13:55.147 --> 00:13:59.206 I have a price and you found it. 00:13:59.206 --> 00:14:06.563 But it got me thinking because he announced it in June of 2005, june 28th of 2005. 00:14:06.563 --> 00:14:11.870 And it was the next iteration of the iTunes that allowed the podcast. 00:14:11.870 --> 00:14:19.316 But it got me thinking to the first podcast I would listen to, and I've never been to Apple person. 00:14:19.316 --> 00:14:21.798 I've never had iPod or anything like that. 00:14:21.798 --> 00:14:28.538 I did have, oh gosh, what are they called the iPod minis, the thing that was like a one inch square thing back in the day. 00:14:28.538 --> 00:14:32.114 I got it as a gift or something like that and I want to find it. 00:14:32.114 --> 00:14:39.797 I want to see what music is on that thing here, whatever 30 years later or whatever it is, but anyway, so it's around somewhere. 00:14:39.797 --> 00:14:43.523 But the thing is, if I have a charger for it, it's a whole nother thing. 00:14:43.543 --> 00:14:44.544 You can find anything on eBay. 00:14:44.544 --> 00:14:46.515 Right now I'm tracking down. 00:14:46.515 --> 00:14:49.756 It's not that hard to track down, honestly, I just need to find one and buy it. 00:14:49.756 --> 00:14:53.120 But I have all these mini DV tapes. 00:14:53.450 --> 00:15:00.282 They look like mini VHSs is what they look like when I was in high school this is late 90s, early 2000s. 00:15:00.282 --> 00:15:06.432 I was really into video editing and video stuff Before content creation was a thing. 00:15:06.432 --> 00:15:23.264 I was leading the way and I have all these tapes that I uncovered during moving and I was like these tapes have so much footage of me from high school and also projects I did, projects I edited. 00:15:23.264 --> 00:15:28.750 There's also like just fun stuff I did with friends and I'm dying to get it. 00:15:28.770 --> 00:15:48.763 So the only way I think I can do it is if I go on eBay and buy an old Handycam that had the mini DVs and I can hook it up to my computer and extract the audio, because otherwise you go on these other companies like Legacy Box and stuff and it's for $10 per tape which you're like that doesn't sound bad. 00:15:48.763 --> 00:15:54.219 But then I'm thinking about it and I'm like I don't know what's on these tapes, like this could be like 10 seconds of footage. 00:15:54.219 --> 00:15:57.200 I'm like going to pay $10 for 10 seconds of footage, you know. 00:15:57.200 --> 00:15:59.216 So I need to find a way to do it myself. 00:15:59.216 --> 00:16:00.495 It's going to be more cost effective. 00:16:06.269 --> 00:16:07.913 But everything's on ebay, all old electronics. 00:16:07.913 --> 00:16:08.254 I have my. 00:16:08.254 --> 00:16:09.918 Actually my wife and I had that same conversation. 00:16:09.918 --> 00:16:10.558 I have our old videotape in it. 00:16:10.558 --> 00:16:22.855 I I don't know what type of cassette it is anymore, but I've got a box of those cassettes of like the kids growing up and and things like that and I I want to get them digitized somehow. 00:16:22.855 --> 00:16:30.566 Maybe I'll find a way to connect it to my computer so I can download and do it myself, versus paying Legacy Box or someone like that. 00:16:30.566 --> 00:16:33.106 That would be pretty cool. 00:16:33.750 --> 00:16:35.056 I just want to go down like a random. 00:16:35.056 --> 00:16:38.710 This has nothing HR related, more just like a huh moment. 00:16:38.710 --> 00:16:58.879 I was on Reddit and I'm in a sub, like I'm in a subreddit called Gen X, and this person posted, as Gen Z, like these movie clips, like movie stills of it was can't hardly wait, clueless, and I want to say 10 things I hate about you. 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:04.213 And all of the freeze frames were from teen parties, like house parties. 00:17:04.213 --> 00:17:06.695 All of the freeze frames were from teen parties, like house parties. 00:17:06.695 --> 00:17:15.784 And you know, this person said was this real or was this just Hollywood making things up, because I'm Gen Z and I've never been to a house party? 00:17:15.784 --> 00:17:17.105 And blah, blah, blah. 00:17:17.204 --> 00:17:25.957 And I had a moment of like, oh no, like I'm just thinking, thinking yes, they were real. 00:17:25.957 --> 00:17:34.311 We all just kind of printed out a map quest page and, like went to random houses that we heard from other people, like we didn't know whose house that was. 00:17:34.311 --> 00:17:37.164 We just showed up and had a great time, like these were all real. 00:17:37.164 --> 00:17:42.618 And I'm like now thinking, oh my god, is it true that gen z doesn't do that anymore? 00:17:42.638 --> 00:17:44.102 no, no, that's crazy. 00:17:44.102 --> 00:17:44.844 I don't think they do. 00:17:44.844 --> 00:17:47.596 I really don't think they do. 00:17:47.596 --> 00:17:58.316 I, you know, before MapQuest and things like that, it was just you would show up somewhere and I don't know how you find, or out here in the sticks, where are the bonfire parties? 00:17:58.316 --> 00:18:01.440 Just in the back of a farm somewhere. 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:11.482 And next thing you know, you got 200 drunk teenagers out there and how the hell you knew about it and where to go and when I I couldn't tell you. 00:18:11.482 --> 00:18:19.167 I guess you know the rumor mill was pretty strong or what have you the the gossip, but yeah, doing things. 00:18:19.268 --> 00:18:30.794 I remember I was at a bonfire party, it was somewhere, and I had a two liter bottle of Seagram's golden wine cooler. 00:18:30.794 --> 00:18:41.670 It's like the white claw, the pre the predecessor of white claw, and you've got to look up the old Bruce Willis commercials of him doing Seagram's golden wine cooler commercials. 00:18:41.670 --> 00:18:56.580 But it was a two liter bottle of it and I'm walking around, I'm lit with that stuff and the police show up and there must have been like 20 police show up and there's like 200 kids, and so I lived on the other side of the woods so I didn't, I just ran. 00:18:56.580 --> 00:18:59.855 I didn't have to take the road to to get home. 00:18:59.855 --> 00:19:05.557 So and I knew, knew the woods pretty darn well that could get there through the night and things like that. 00:19:05.557 --> 00:19:09.540 So the things you would do back then that you can't do now, it's amazing. 00:19:10.211 --> 00:19:14.721 In college I didn't even finish my podcast, so we'll get back to that. 00:19:14.721 --> 00:19:26.479 But in college in Greenville, north Carolina, then I was walking home drunk as a skunk under 21 years old and I had a super big gulp cup full of beer. 00:19:26.479 --> 00:19:32.123 Heading back to my house from a party and a police officer shines his mega white light at me. 00:19:32.123 --> 00:19:38.713 He doesn't even get out of the car, he just gets on the little bullhorn thing, the speaker and the whatever out of the car. 00:19:38.713 --> 00:19:39.855 He says pour it out. 00:19:39.855 --> 00:19:41.397 And I just poured it out. 00:19:41.397 --> 00:19:43.741 He said have a good night and that's it. 00:19:43.741 --> 00:19:44.584 That's all there was. 00:19:44.584 --> 00:19:55.861 Now in Greenville kids get tickets and they get busted for drinking and public intoxication and open containers and things like that. 00:19:55.861 --> 00:20:01.338 I'm like as long as you weren't doing something actively doing something stupid in the nineties they didn't care. 00:20:01.338 --> 00:20:03.972 You know it was like, okay, just just go. 00:20:03.972 --> 00:20:06.641 But nowadays they're they're pretty strict on that stuff. 00:20:06.641 --> 00:20:08.416 So it is a different world. 00:20:09.271 --> 00:20:22.016 So anyway, poor Gen Z, no house parties, and they missed the work in an office, a collaborative environment, five days a week and I feel a little bad for them. 00:20:22.016 --> 00:20:22.679 I do. 00:20:23.230 --> 00:20:25.739 Well, gen Z, I'll go back to the podcast. 00:20:25.739 --> 00:20:26.111 I swear. 00:20:26.111 --> 00:20:32.394 But, Gen Z, I saw a thing on I don't remember where if it was Reddit or if it was LinkedIn or something like that. 00:20:32.394 --> 00:20:38.134 They're now calling what I would term a vacation, a micro retirement. 00:20:38.134 --> 00:20:43.570 Google, real quick, micro retirement, I'm taking a micro retirement or whatever. 00:20:43.570 --> 00:20:46.115 That's really funny and I'm like yeah, it's called. 00:20:46.115 --> 00:20:47.257 It's called a vacation. 00:20:47.979 --> 00:20:48.880 It's called PTO man yeah. 00:20:52.809 --> 00:20:53.594 What is micro? 00:20:53.594 --> 00:20:54.196 What is? 00:20:54.196 --> 00:20:59.096 I Googled it Fast Company, which is another one of those shitty shitty news sites clickbait, everything. 00:20:59.096 --> 00:21:00.539 What is micro retirement? 00:21:00.539 --> 00:21:09.505 The latest inside the latest Gen Z trend First, taking deliberate short-term breaks from your career to focus on personal interests and goals. 00:21:09.505 --> 00:21:23.201 It's a growing trend among Gen Z and millennials seeking to prioritize well-being experiences over traditional concepts of working continuously until a single lengthy retirement period to end their career. 00:21:23.951 --> 00:21:24.796 I don't understand. 00:21:24.796 --> 00:21:29.259 That's literally just like a wellness vacation. 00:21:29.259 --> 00:21:33.219 Like unplugging to work on something on the side. 00:21:33.219 --> 00:21:34.362 Don't we do that? 00:21:34.362 --> 00:21:37.200 I don't understand the concept. 00:21:37.470 --> 00:21:39.016 Are they taking long spans of time. 00:21:39.016 --> 00:21:42.637 What I saw was they took this person. 00:21:42.637 --> 00:21:47.977 The first thing I saw before I just googled this was they took a two-week micro retirement. 00:21:47.977 --> 00:21:50.061 I'm like that's called a vacation dude. 00:21:50.061 --> 00:21:57.490 But some of the reading online right here right now it says some may or may not be employer supported and things like that. 00:21:57.490 --> 00:22:01.339 To prevent burnout, focus on creativity, innovation etc. 00:22:01.420 --> 00:22:02.823 But no good for you. 00:22:02.823 --> 00:22:10.762 If you want to take a couple weeks off to build a something in your backyard, then go, do it like cool I will say I have my. 00:22:10.762 --> 00:22:16.176 My current company is permissive pto, like we don't have accruals unless you're hourly. 00:22:16.196 --> 00:22:44.479 There's different accruals, but but yeah, like we, we do permissive policy and I've been very on the fence about it because you know you read research that says if you do permissive, people don't take the time they need off yes but I will say I think my team and I work in HR but I feel like our leadership does really good by leading by example and using it and going on time and like telling, like, like I hate to say granting permission, but yeah, they are. 00:22:44.479 --> 00:22:47.282 They're granting permission by example and I love it. 00:22:47.282 --> 00:22:56.403 I am now all for it, but I think it only works when your leadership is ready for it and can actually lead by example. 00:22:56.403 --> 00:23:03.127 But I would love to take a two week micro retirement and go to I don't know. 00:23:03.127 --> 00:23:09.080 I would love to work on being a mermaid, so I will go to a resort somewhere and just sit on the beach. 00:23:09.080 --> 00:23:10.556 That's my micro retirement. 00:23:11.632 --> 00:23:24.951 But here's the second search result Gen Z stupidly claims to have invented micro retirement, and then it goes on to say Gen Z is claiming it and taking vacations, anyway. 00:23:24.951 --> 00:23:26.637 So I'll get on for that. 00:23:27.490 --> 00:23:33.222 That does remind me of an episode of Parks and Recreation where she's like you've had soy milk, you have almond milk, now it's beef milk. 00:23:33.222 --> 00:23:35.777 That's what it was, and she was like it's fucking milk. 00:23:39.292 --> 00:23:40.699 I haven't watched Parks and Rec forever. 00:23:40.699 --> 00:23:42.315 I need to watch that. 00:23:42.315 --> 00:23:44.079 It's so funny. 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:46.858 I'll go ahead back to podcasting. 00:23:46.858 --> 00:23:52.682 I was trying to think of what was the first podcast you listened to. 00:23:52.682 --> 00:23:55.236 Do you remember, damn? 00:23:57.309 --> 00:24:14.026 So the first one that comes to mind that I listened to religiously was a now defunct podcast called an acquired taste, where it was three women djs, like radio personalities, on a major thing and they their own side project was. 00:24:14.026 --> 00:24:25.902 They just did a podcast with the three of them and they're all kind of like have weird interests and like you know different things that I really resonated with and I would listen to them religiously. 00:24:25.902 --> 00:24:29.897 So an acquired taste podcast RIP. 00:24:29.897 --> 00:24:33.163 Another one to the podcast graveyard. 00:24:34.125 --> 00:24:41.503 Yeah, the first one, and I'm going to give credit to Patrick, our first co-host from JDHR. 00:24:41.503 --> 00:24:44.057 The first one it was 2014. 00:24:44.057 --> 00:24:50.018 It was cereal and he was talking about that and that's pre itunes and I can. 00:24:50.018 --> 00:25:10.924 I can remember going on to the serial website to have to download the episodes and then when you wanted episodes because I didn't know about rss feeds I would just go to whatever website of whichever podcast I was listening to at the time to download them and then I'd play them on my music player, whatever I was using at that time. 00:25:19.390 --> 00:25:32.766 But I really connected with Serial on a different level because my first job out of college I lived in Maryland and it referenced so many places I knew between Baltimore and Patuxent Parkway and Patuxent River Park and those areas. 00:25:32.766 --> 00:25:35.537 I could sit there even though it's 2014,. 00:25:35.537 --> 00:25:36.721 I left there in 2001. 00:25:36.721 --> 00:25:38.829 I could sit there and still picture those places. 00:25:38.829 --> 00:25:50.567 I've been these places that they're talking about in the, the serial podcasts and things like that, and so I got hooked on the serial and then I I think two years later they had the next one. 00:25:50.567 --> 00:25:52.874 I never listened to the one after the. 00:25:52.874 --> 00:25:54.597 The second one, oh is berg, was it? 00:25:54.597 --> 00:25:56.020 Bergdahl was the second one? 00:25:56.020 --> 00:26:02.769 I think so anyways, but I can't remember any of the other podcasts I was listening to around that time frame. 00:26:02.769 --> 00:26:16.560 But we, we would talk about a serial and that's what Patrick got me into podcasts, and that was the first one we talked about and I listened to and I listened to a few others, but I couldn't remember a single title of what any of those were from. 00:26:16.560 --> 00:26:17.361 Is work, career, hr related? 00:26:17.381 --> 00:26:27.518 Yeah, Just a roundabout way we're going to get there. 00:26:27.518 --> 00:26:46.576 So I was thinking about this a couple weeks ago how, when I was in high school, I was, I wasn't athletic, but I was into video, journalism, I was into newspaper, I was into yearbook, I was into, like, creating things, and I always wanted to create right. 00:26:46.576 --> 00:26:50.196 And for the longest time I thought that I was going to be. 00:26:50.196 --> 00:26:55.258 I wanted to be a radio DJ and I don't know why I just wanted to be an on-air personality. 00:26:55.258 --> 00:27:00.878 And you know then to the point where I would go. 00:27:00.878 --> 00:27:13.513 We would, as a group for yearbook, we would go to these high school publishing competitions or conventions or whatever, and I would separate from the group to go into the radio broadcasting like area. 00:27:14.236 --> 00:27:18.284 And now I'm sitting here and I'm like, okay, so radio is dying. 00:27:18.284 --> 00:27:27.413 But now, like I'm on a podcast and I'm doing podcasts, I'm doing a podcast at for my job, I'm on a podcast and I'm doing podcasts, I'm doing a podcast for my job. 00:27:27.413 --> 00:27:42.736 And I was thinking about all of the weird ways where we have these loves as children or young adults, of things that we want to do when we grow up and maybe those things don't manifest the way we think they do, but as we get older they manifest in different ways. 00:27:42.736 --> 00:27:50.560 So like HR by day, podcasting by night, kind of thing, and I think about that because, okay, I have a 15-month-old. 00:27:50.971 --> 00:27:56.439 I also think about that with Miss Rachel and for anyone who has like a toddler age, children. 00:27:56.439 --> 00:28:12.560 You know, miss Rachel, she is the end-all, be-all, she is her third parent, but she's like another one where I look at who was a woman who wanted a singing career and like if you go into Spotify, you can find her whole albums. 00:28:12.560 --> 00:28:16.275 She wanted like to, you know, be a solo artist. 00:28:16.275 --> 00:28:25.230 It didn't pan out and she went into teaching and now somehow she found herself as Miss Rachel, where she is singing, where she is performing, where she is creating. 00:28:25.230 --> 00:28:41.022 And I just thought that was like interesting that you know, we go into these careers that hopefully, like we might not be doing exactly what we wanted to when we grow up, but we're doing elements that still bring us joy that we had when we were children or when we were young adults. 00:28:41.022 --> 00:28:45.221 So anyway, that was, yeah, that's my deep thoughts for the night. 00:28:46.191 --> 00:28:53.215 So anyway, that's a lot of we've been all over the place, but that's a good thing, I think. 00:28:53.750 --> 00:28:56.536 We're riding the ADHD train. 00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:00.584 Backwards, yeah, backwards. 00:29:02.230 --> 00:29:03.013 And it's on fire. 00:29:03.013 --> 00:29:04.598 Yes. 00:29:06.291 --> 00:29:09.402 Not for me today, but, yeah, I know that feeling. 00:29:09.402 --> 00:29:16.482 So the HR story that I actually prepared and I've had this on my show notes since May. 00:29:16.482 --> 00:29:22.281 Actually, the date of this article is May 7th. 00:29:22.281 --> 00:29:31.417 It's from Eric Meyer and if you don't subscribe to his newsletter, please do you follow him on LinkedIn. 00:29:31.417 --> 00:29:33.856 Subscribe to his newsletter. 00:29:33.856 --> 00:29:35.596 It's really, really good. 00:29:35.596 --> 00:29:38.837 So here's the situation. 00:29:38.837 --> 00:29:41.757 There was a couple. 00:29:41.757 --> 00:29:43.376 They used to work together. 00:29:43.376 --> 00:29:47.012 The husband apparently got terminated. 00:29:47.012 --> 00:29:47.573 It had been terminated. 00:29:47.573 --> 00:30:14.509 After the relationship ended, he became hostile and began sending threatening messages to the plaintiff, but she never reported them to her employer. 00:30:14.509 --> 00:30:23.355 Roughly a year later, the assailant rented a car, put on his old company sweatshirt and a freezer suit and waited outside the workplace. 00:30:23.355 --> 00:30:27.436 When an employee opened the badge access door, he followed them inside. 00:30:27.436 --> 00:30:32.451 He located the plaintiff at her desk, doused her with gasoline and set her on fire. 00:30:32.451 --> 00:30:33.835 Oh my gosh. 00:30:34.817 --> 00:30:41.538 She ended up suing, saying that her company didn't, that they were negligent and they didn't protect her. 00:30:41.538 --> 00:30:56.277 She said because the company allowed ex-employees to keep their uniforms and they didn't infer or spadge access security and guards failed to monitor the cameras in real time and doors were always propped open. 00:30:56.277 --> 00:31:08.998 But anyways, the long story of it is that she sued, she lost because the court said there's no reasonable way you can predict that this is going to happen. 00:31:08.998 --> 00:31:11.545 He wrote I love about his newsletter. 00:31:11.545 --> 00:31:20.873 If you subscribe to his newsletter he has like a paragraph of what happened and then the next paragraph it's set aside by bars and it's the TLDR. 00:31:20.873 --> 00:31:21.994 I love it. 00:31:22.336 --> 00:31:29.990 A federal appellate court held up the employer was not liable for negligence after a former employee violently attacked a current employee at the facility. 00:31:29.990 --> 00:31:40.692 The court reasoned that even if there were lapses in security, this calculated violent act was so bizarre and so unforeseeable that it broke the chain of causation Under law. 00:31:40.692 --> 00:31:43.818 No reasonable jury could find that employer could have predicted this attack. 00:31:43.818 --> 00:31:45.923 So the employer couldn't be liable. 00:31:45.923 --> 00:31:52.502 But just, I could not imagine being an HR person. 00:31:52.502 --> 00:32:11.481 I couldn't imagine working there and that situation happening period, but being in HR and having to deal with that, the aftermath of that, the lawsuit of that, that, the aftermath of that, the lawsuit of that you got to believe that other employees that were not involved quit, found other jobs, got the hell out of there like whatever. 00:32:12.305 --> 00:32:20.211 Locally, not too well before I moved to where I am now still in the same county, we had a similar incident, kind of. 00:32:20.211 --> 00:32:23.258 A guy was trying to get back at his ex. 00:32:23.258 --> 00:32:26.183 He filled his pickup truck with up with hay. 00:32:26.183 --> 00:32:38.575 He poured gasoline all over the pickup truck himself and filled the truck up with gas containers and he drove the truck into the building of the office the office building she worked in, and she was not hurt. 00:32:38.575 --> 00:32:39.017 Nobody. 00:32:39.017 --> 00:32:39.940 The only person was hurt. 00:32:39.940 --> 00:32:40.631 He died. 00:32:40.631 --> 00:32:41.913 The driver died. 00:32:41.913 --> 00:32:46.123 Everybody else made it out, thankfully out of that, but burned the building down. 00:32:46.123 --> 00:32:50.721 But just, you can't predict anything. 00:32:50.721 --> 00:32:56.361 And then my HR question related to this is how far are you going to go to get? 00:32:56.721 --> 00:33:10.553 If he's a driver, he's probably got two, three dozen T-shirts for the company, t-shirts for the company working places where people have had uniforms. 00:33:10.553 --> 00:33:11.756 I've never tried to recover those uniforms. 00:33:11.756 --> 00:33:15.603 I don't want somebody's sweat, stain, dirty uniform you can. 00:33:15.603 --> 00:33:16.630 You can keep it. 00:33:16.630 --> 00:33:20.097 When I left that company is I wore a uniform as well. 00:33:20.097 --> 00:33:22.242 Until I moved I had all my shirts. 00:33:22.242 --> 00:33:30.096 And then I just contacted a former employee or a former co-worker who's about my size, and said hey, you know, I've got this stuff and I don't need it, don't want it. 00:33:30.096 --> 00:33:35.268 And I offered it to him and he swung by my house and picked it up and and things like that. 00:33:35.288 --> 00:33:46.849 but I was like yeah, it's hard like so sometimes now, like knowing what I know, now like or like piecing things together. 00:33:46.849 --> 00:34:18.181 There would always be I don't know if it was a compliance thing, but every once in a while, when I was at my old company that was a big campus type setup where there were the security guards at the front and the badge ends with like four or five entries of access, with a badge every once in a while we would get like a random, what seemed to be out of the blue, remind, heavy reminder, to be like just remember, we do not allow people in unless they badge, even if you know them behind you. 00:34:18.181 --> 00:34:22.119 They must badge in like do not let anyone, do not presume people like whatever. 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:29.063 And now I'm thinking like these, these reminders would come out of the blue and I'm like but were they like? 00:34:29.143 --> 00:34:42.282 Was it a situation where someone could be like hey, I need to go talk to hr, I'm going through like a bad situation at home, a bad breakup or something, and I need to let people know because I'm afraid for my safety at work? 00:34:42.282 --> 00:34:51.494 And then it kind of escalates to just a blanket like hey, everybody, just a real friendly reminder do not do X, y and Z, do not prop doors open, do not let people in. 00:34:51.494 --> 00:35:02.862 And now I'm thinking I do agree that the company should not be liable for that, but I'm wondering, like, what additional steps could have been taken in that situation. 00:35:02.862 --> 00:35:04.976 Like, were there conversations with HR? 00:35:04.976 --> 00:35:10.137 Did this person even feel like she was in danger, or was this out of the blue? 00:35:10.610 --> 00:35:32.954 And then I think on the other end, like if it escalated this much like things like this don't escalate that quickly usually, so usually there's signs of abuse within the relationship and if that's the case, like, just I don't know Like, are there little things that we could do, Not to say that the workplace is responsible, but just to say, like, what more could have been done? 00:35:33.635 --> 00:35:41.335 Yeah, I mean direct people to EAP, get them counseling, get them help, physical help, security type help. 00:35:41.335 --> 00:35:42.878 You know need. 00:35:42.878 --> 00:35:46.231 Do you need to be walked to your car at night and things like that. 00:35:46.231 --> 00:36:04.300 You know we, we have a badge in, badge out system, so all our doors are always locked from the outside and about once a year or so we send a reminder don't, don't hold the door open for other people, don't let people and everybody must open the door to themselves, use the badge themselves. 00:36:04.300 --> 00:36:08.692 But you know what, I'm the one who sends that email a week later. 00:36:08.692 --> 00:36:19.371 I know I'm holding the door for somebody and things like that, but in my defense, if somebody's been terminated or something's going on, I'm probably the first person outside. 00:36:19.371 --> 00:36:27.184 I would know, but I can't sit there as a human being, especially if someone's carrying something. 00:36:27.184 --> 00:36:31.240 I can't not open the door for someone else or hold it. 00:36:31.489 --> 00:36:32.896 You're three steps behind me. 00:36:32.896 --> 00:36:34.514 Nope, I'm not going to hold the door for you. 00:36:34.514 --> 00:36:45.782 It's awkward, but once a year or so we send out an email, not to I forget what the term they use for people just walking in behind someone who swiped in. 00:36:45.782 --> 00:36:50.759 So it's rough, but man, what a horrible, horrible situation. 00:36:50.759 --> 00:36:51.802 It's crazy. 00:36:54.735 --> 00:37:04.056 But I have one more story and it relates very much to what we were talking about with the micro retirements and this comes to us. 00:37:04.056 --> 00:37:08.612 I think it was on linkedin. 00:37:08.612 --> 00:37:08.932 I found it. 00:37:08.932 --> 00:37:10.418 I don't know who posted it, so I can't give them credit. 00:37:10.418 --> 00:37:21.922 The company is uline and, for whatever reason, I even get the uline catalogs at my home, yeah, for every once while for packing materials and things like that. 00:37:21.922 --> 00:37:31.257 But their CEO, I'm assuming Liz, and her name is printed here in cursive, so it looks like it's Liz Wilkinson. 00:37:31.257 --> 00:37:33.141 I might be wrong on that. 00:37:33.141 --> 00:37:47.603 She put this in her in their catalog and it's titled the Nomads and it goes job hopping used to be frowned on red flags on resumes, something previous generations did their best to avoid. 00:37:47.989 --> 00:37:51.541 You stuck with a job, you showed stability and you worked your way up. 00:37:51.541 --> 00:37:55.101 But boy, how times have changed, and that's underlined and in bold. 00:37:55.101 --> 00:38:00.001 What makes it so easy for young workers to pull up stakes and move on? 00:38:00.001 --> 00:38:04.719 Why they don't prioritize job security and financial stability more. 00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:07.572