1 00:00:02,063 --> 00:00:04,447 Andew Quilpa: Had you actually read the email, you would know 2 00:00:04,487 --> 00:00:07,270 that the podcast you are about to listen to could contain 3 00:00:07,371 --> 00:00:09,875 explicit language and offensive content. 4 00:00:09,875 --> 00:00:14,513 These HR experts' views are not representative of their past, 5 00:00:14,875 --> 00:00:16,519 present or future employers. 6 00:00:16,519 --> 00:00:19,746 If you have ever heard my manager is unfair to me. 7 00:00:19,746 --> 00:00:24,782 I need you to reset my HR portal password, or Can I write 8 00:00:24,821 --> 00:00:26,609 up my employee for crying too much? 9 00:00:26,609 --> 00:00:28,925 Welcome to our little safe zone . 10 00:00:28,925 --> 00:00:31,231 Welcome to Jaded HR. 11 00:00:43,981 --> 00:00:47,128 Warren: Welcome to Jaded HR, the podcast by two HR professionals 12 00:00:47,128 --> 00:00:49,031 who want to help you get through the workday by saying 13 00:00:49,171 --> 00:00:51,343 everything you're thinking, but say it out loud. 14 00:00:51,343 --> 00:00:52,125 I'm Warren. 15 00:00:53,128 --> 00:00:53,768 CeeCee: I'm Cece. 16 00:00:54,451 --> 00:00:56,585 Warren: Yay, we're just talking. 17 00:00:56,585 --> 00:01:00,368 It feels like it's been forever , but it's been our regular two 18 00:01:00,429 --> 00:01:00,750 weeks. 19 00:01:00,750 --> 00:01:05,429 I don't know why, it feels, like it's been so long since we 20 00:01:05,469 --> 00:01:09,585 last talked, but just so much going on in work in the world 21 00:01:09,867 --> 00:01:11,631 and everything else like that. 22 00:01:11,631 --> 00:01:13,763 It's just like and here we are. 23 00:01:13,763 --> 00:01:16,087 We're recording this on August 12th. 24 00:01:16,087 --> 00:01:17,792 It's the middle of August. 25 00:01:17,792 --> 00:01:19,742 The summer is pretty much done. 26 00:01:20,263 --> 00:01:20,963 CeeCee: I don't like it. 27 00:01:21,185 --> 00:01:23,649 Warren: I don't like it. 28 00:01:23,688 --> 00:01:26,834 CeeCee: I was telling Warren off air that my company does fiscal 29 00:01:26,834 --> 00:01:30,409 calendars and my manager reminded me yesterday. 30 00:01:30,409 --> 00:01:32,115 She's like oh yeah, some mid-year reviews are in 31 00:01:32,156 --> 00:01:36,301 September and I'm like September is a million years away and I 32 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:39,266 was like, oh no, it's next month , so I got to get on it. 33 00:01:39,746 --> 00:01:52,641 Warren: Yeah, yeah, it's just so crazy how much time is flying 34 00:01:52,661 --> 00:01:53,923 in my just not keeping up with what the date is. 35 00:01:53,923 --> 00:01:55,625 We're having our financial advisors are coming to the 36 00:01:55,765 --> 00:01:58,409 office actually this Thursday and I forgot it was this 37 00:01:58,448 --> 00:01:59,870 Thursday and they were booking. 38 00:01:59,870 --> 00:02:03,215 You know you could do, through signupgeniuscom, a slot to go 39 00:02:03,275 --> 00:02:04,195 meet with them individually. 40 00:02:04,195 --> 00:02:06,347 They'll talk to you individually, no cost. 41 00:02:06,347 --> 00:02:08,287 We do that at least once a year . 42 00:02:08,287 --> 00:02:10,406 But the financial advisor you call them, they'll talk your ear 43 00:02:10,406 --> 00:02:11,650 off any, any day. 44 00:02:11,650 --> 00:02:15,911 But just Monday our slots filled up and somebody asked for 45 00:02:15,911 --> 00:02:19,026 more slots and it was like, oh yeah, I was thinking that we're 46 00:02:19,046 --> 00:02:22,981 having it on the 14th, the day this podcast launches, and I'm 47 00:02:23,002 --> 00:02:24,182 like, oh, that's so far away. 48 00:02:24,182 --> 00:02:28,347 And then, as I'm sending the email, I'm like, oh, that's this 49 00:02:28,347 --> 00:02:29,788 upcoming Thursday. 50 00:02:29,788 --> 00:02:33,151 And I'm like, sorry for the short notice, but can you add us 51 00:02:33,151 --> 00:02:34,812 a few more slots in these appointments? 52 00:02:34,812 --> 00:02:37,555 We have more people that want to participate in that. 53 00:02:37,555 --> 00:02:38,275 And they did. 54 00:02:38,275 --> 00:02:38,776 They were great. 55 00:02:38,776 --> 00:02:39,877 It's just wow. 56 00:02:43,265 --> 00:02:43,848 CeeCee: Time is crazy. 57 00:02:43,848 --> 00:02:44,600 That's crazy, I know. 58 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:45,604 I'm just like. 59 00:02:45,604 --> 00:02:48,611 I just feel like this year has flown by so quickly. 60 00:02:48,611 --> 00:02:53,252 We're like close to 2026 and I'm very unsettled by that. 61 00:02:53,252 --> 00:02:53,901 Oh, why? 62 00:02:53,983 --> 00:02:54,907 Warren: Why would you be unsettled? 63 00:02:56,060 --> 00:02:57,366 CeeCee: It's just going so fast. 64 00:02:57,366 --> 00:02:59,098 Oh okay, it's going so fast. 65 00:02:59,540 --> 00:03:01,324 Warren: Bad happening in 2026. 66 00:03:01,324 --> 00:03:04,390 I put something on my personal calendar besides a doctor's 67 00:03:04,431 --> 00:03:07,264 appointment on in January of 26 already. 68 00:03:07,264 --> 00:03:09,729 I'm like it's crazy, Crazy. 69 00:03:10,570 --> 00:03:12,581 CeeCee: So I don't know about you, but this week I have 70 00:03:12,782 --> 00:03:13,504 appointment. 71 00:03:13,504 --> 00:03:15,330 I have an appointment every day this week. 72 00:03:15,330 --> 00:03:19,082 It's like either doctor's appointment for me, I have a 73 00:03:19,122 --> 00:03:22,891 checkup for the baby, and the cat has to go back for a recheck 74 00:03:22,891 --> 00:03:25,954 , because my, our cat was in the . 75 00:03:25,954 --> 00:03:27,580 My gosh, I didn't happen last week. 76 00:03:27,580 --> 00:03:30,329 Our cat was sick and we had to take her to the the vet, and she 77 00:03:30,329 --> 00:03:33,724 stayed overnight and that cost us like a thousand dollars and 78 00:03:33,745 --> 00:03:36,169 she ended up having a uti and oh my god. 79 00:03:36,169 --> 00:03:40,165 But anyway, like that's part of owning an animal, though, yes, 80 00:03:41,008 --> 00:03:41,508 what are you gonna do? 81 00:03:41,508 --> 00:03:45,183 But yeah, so like this week I'm just back to back to back, like 82 00:03:45,183 --> 00:03:48,211 trying to juggle work meetings, but then also like trying to 83 00:03:48,230 --> 00:03:50,223 sneak out of the house for a doctor's appointment. 84 00:03:50,223 --> 00:03:51,026 Trying, it's just. 85 00:03:51,026 --> 00:03:52,552 It's just a long weekend. 86 00:03:53,155 --> 00:03:56,664 Warren: Thankfully we don't have anything this weekend, so I 87 00:03:56,705 --> 00:03:58,931 like just want to sit in front of the cat, in front of the tv 88 00:03:58,950 --> 00:04:02,163 and veg on the couch I'm still waiting for that weekend for 89 00:04:02,203 --> 00:04:05,967 myself, but I I don't have that's not my this week is 90 00:04:06,008 --> 00:04:09,211 appointments, but September sometime I have a dentist 91 00:04:09,252 --> 00:04:12,276 appointment, a follow-up for my surgery appointment, and things 92 00:04:12,316 --> 00:04:12,596 like that. 93 00:04:12,596 --> 00:04:16,550 I'm just thinking how crazy everything is. 94 00:04:16,550 --> 00:04:19,749 And I'm actually going to go see my dermatologist again. 95 00:04:19,749 --> 00:04:20,209 Is why not? 96 00:04:20,209 --> 00:04:23,476 I've met my deductible and out-of-pocket max, so hey, let's 97 00:04:23,476 --> 00:04:23,557 go. 98 00:04:23,557 --> 00:04:24,040 Might as well go. 99 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:25,485 Let's go to the dermatologist. 100 00:04:25,485 --> 00:04:27,146 I'm trying to get that appointment. 101 00:04:27,146 --> 00:04:30,264 She's so booked up though I'm basically going to be on the 102 00:04:30,305 --> 00:04:32,331 wait list for cancellation. 103 00:04:34,663 --> 00:04:36,749 But yeah, it's crazy out there. 104 00:04:37,730 --> 00:04:41,983 CeeCee: Crazy Other than that my podcast for work launched, oh 105 00:04:42,004 --> 00:04:44,627 yes, so that was exciting I'm doing for those who don't know 106 00:04:44,666 --> 00:04:49,353 I'm doing, I'm an L&D, so I work on the L&OD team, which is 107 00:04:49,394 --> 00:04:58,041 learning and org development, and we launched a podcast 108 00:04:58,062 --> 00:04:59,307 because my company is very into the use of generative AI and 109 00:04:59,327 --> 00:05:00,514 believes it is a skill that everyone should be well-versed 110 00:05:00,533 --> 00:05:01,819 in, no matter what role that you're in. 111 00:05:02,379 --> 00:05:07,300 So I'm doing a podcast on the best, like how to use it, and 112 00:05:07,420 --> 00:05:10,127 you know, every podcast my different guests is someone from 113 00:05:10,127 --> 00:05:13,865 the organization who's either a super user or, like you know, 114 00:05:13,884 --> 00:05:17,853 the chief CH I'm sorry, the chief, the head of IT, or who 115 00:05:17,932 --> 00:05:21,031 else like someone from council, but it's interesting 116 00:05:21,091 --> 00:05:24,420 conversations and we've never used that medium of you know 117 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,601 learning and it's really well received. 118 00:05:26,601 --> 00:05:30,704 So, if no one has done it yet, I think it's a really good 119 00:05:30,725 --> 00:05:33,927 delivery method for learning, especially HR business partner. 120 00:05:33,927 --> 00:05:48,521 And she said she listened to my work podcast and then she was 121 00:05:48,541 --> 00:05:52,543 like it was very different from you know, and I started laughing 122 00:05:52,543 --> 00:05:55,970 because I was just like, yeah, I could imagine me showing to 123 00:05:56,009 --> 00:05:59,125 that podcast like I talk on here , like that would last for like 124 00:05:59,406 --> 00:06:00,088 two seconds. 125 00:06:01,019 --> 00:06:02,406 Warren: No F-bombs in the work. 126 00:06:02,406 --> 00:06:04,730 One Come on, we've got to spice that up. 127 00:06:04,759 --> 00:06:05,706 CeeCee: No F-bombs in the work. 128 00:06:05,706 --> 00:06:07,156 One, come on, we've got to spice that up. 129 00:06:07,418 --> 00:06:13,350 Warren: No F-bombs, oh man, so yeah, but that's really cool. 130 00:06:13,350 --> 00:06:17,547 I really admire when companies do things like yours, are doing 131 00:06:17,586 --> 00:06:21,675 that to further engage and meet the people where they are. 132 00:06:21,675 --> 00:06:26,471 And if they're because as I walk around our office, I would 133 00:06:26,492 --> 00:06:29,947 say more than half of the people have their earbuds in and many 134 00:06:29,987 --> 00:06:33,803 of them are listening to podcasts as I ask, hey, what you 135 00:06:33,803 --> 00:06:34,225 listening to? 136 00:06:34,225 --> 00:06:36,011 You know, I'm just curious what you're listening to. 137 00:06:36,011 --> 00:06:39,949 And there's like all sorts of podcasts that mainly, it seems, 138 00:06:40,228 --> 00:06:41,411 podcasts they're listening to. 139 00:06:41,411 --> 00:06:46,079 But they're listening to all sorts of the stuff and it's and 140 00:06:46,100 --> 00:06:49,389 they're multitasking, I mean it's, it's more probably noise 141 00:06:49,490 --> 00:06:50,091 in the background. 142 00:06:50,091 --> 00:06:51,702 They're still getting their work done. 143 00:06:51,702 --> 00:06:54,870 Just like I mentioned, I have Food Network on at home. 144 00:06:54,870 --> 00:06:56,744 Is my noise TV, my wife's? 145 00:06:57,324 --> 00:06:57,545 Andew Quilpa: is. 146 00:06:57,586 --> 00:06:58,267 Warren: Investigation. 147 00:06:58,267 --> 00:07:00,452 Discovery Channel is her white noise. 148 00:07:00,473 --> 00:07:00,913 CeeCee: I'm Gilmore. 149 00:07:00,934 --> 00:07:04,848 Warren: Girls, gilmore Girls, oh gosh. 150 00:07:04,848 --> 00:07:08,081 Aren't they bringing that back, or is there going to be? 151 00:07:08,081 --> 00:07:12,226 Like a special reunion or something along like that I 152 00:07:12,266 --> 00:07:13,576 think I saw on social media. 153 00:07:13,576 --> 00:07:13,858 I don't. 154 00:07:14,100 --> 00:07:15,646 CeeCee: This is just me being on my soapbox. 155 00:07:15,646 --> 00:07:18,649 Sometimes stories just need to end and we need to be okay with 156 00:07:18,689 --> 00:07:18,910 that. 157 00:07:18,910 --> 00:07:22,860 So I know they did the reboot in like 2016. 158 00:07:22,860 --> 00:07:23,944 It was great. 159 00:07:23,944 --> 00:07:24,827 I enjoyed it. 160 00:07:24,827 --> 00:07:26,581 We do not need another reboot. 161 00:07:26,581 --> 00:07:31,264 If anyone from the Amy Sherman Palladino camp is listening to 162 00:07:31,305 --> 00:07:35,127 this, I would be interested in an Emily Gilmore prequel series 163 00:07:35,548 --> 00:07:39,312 where we like focus on Emily when she meets Richard and all 164 00:07:39,351 --> 00:07:42,254 that that I might be interested in, but we're done with the 165 00:07:42,293 --> 00:07:42,653 story. 166 00:07:42,653 --> 00:07:43,795 Let it lie. 167 00:07:43,795 --> 00:07:48,165 We don't have to reboot everything and that is off my 168 00:07:48,206 --> 00:07:48,627 soapbox. 169 00:07:49,259 --> 00:07:50,487 Warren: Well, rebooting. 170 00:07:50,487 --> 00:07:53,040 You know how many times now have they rebooted Dexter and 171 00:07:53,060 --> 00:07:58,209 I'm actually, I will say this current Dexter resurrection I'm 172 00:07:58,529 --> 00:07:59,071 enjoying. 173 00:07:59,071 --> 00:08:04,266 For the most part it's better than the beginnings one, the 174 00:08:04,367 --> 00:08:05,670 origin one, when he was a kid. 175 00:08:05,670 --> 00:08:11,028 And so I'm enjoying it, but it's yeah, it's something else. 176 00:08:11,028 --> 00:08:11,410 Let's see. 177 00:08:11,410 --> 00:08:17,685 One thing I want to try and do going forward is get our thank 178 00:08:17,706 --> 00:08:23,055 yous early on, because so our Patreon supporters may not make 179 00:08:23,154 --> 00:08:23,194 it. 180 00:08:23,194 --> 00:08:26,887 You know, like 80% of our listeners make it through like 181 00:08:27,088 --> 00:08:31,447 85% of the podcasts, and I think when they start hearing us wind 182 00:08:31,447 --> 00:08:31,928 it down. 183 00:08:32,048 --> 00:08:34,427 people are okay, Next click and things like that. 184 00:08:34,427 --> 00:08:38,822 So I want to put the shout outs to Hallie, the original Jaded 185 00:08:38,964 --> 00:08:42,226 HR rock star Michael and Bill for supporting us on Patreon. 186 00:08:42,226 --> 00:08:43,865 You can, too, just follow the show notes. 187 00:08:43,865 --> 00:08:45,725 It's very much appreciated. 188 00:08:45,725 --> 00:08:49,643 And also our thank you to the Underschool Orchestra for use of 189 00:08:49,643 --> 00:08:53,025 the theme song Devil the Devil and Andrew Kolpa who does the 190 00:08:53,528 --> 00:08:53,909 intro. 191 00:08:53,909 --> 00:08:57,625 So yeah, get those out of the way so people can get their 192 00:08:57,666 --> 00:09:02,470 recognition early on, before everybody starts hanging up on 193 00:09:02,529 --> 00:09:02,590 us. 194 00:09:02,759 --> 00:09:05,028 CeeCee: I'm going to start saying one crazy thing at the 195 00:09:05,048 --> 00:09:07,625 end of every episode, and you'll just have to listen to the end 196 00:09:07,644 --> 00:09:08,005 to hear it. 197 00:09:08,005 --> 00:09:09,330 And it could be anything, who knows? 198 00:09:09,659 --> 00:09:11,605 Warren: Now one podcast I listen to. 199 00:09:11,605 --> 00:09:12,951 It's one of my favorite podcasts. 200 00:09:12,951 --> 00:09:17,306 They end their official episode and then there's this like tone 201 00:09:17,306 --> 00:09:20,143 and then they go on the host they're talking about. 202 00:09:20,143 --> 00:09:21,528 It can be anything. 203 00:09:21,528 --> 00:09:27,364 We've talked about the Italian restaurant, they someone went to 204 00:09:27,364 --> 00:09:29,729 last week and they just it's, it's pretty good, sometimes it's 205 00:09:29,729 --> 00:09:33,283 related, sometimes it's just anything they talked about and 206 00:09:33,323 --> 00:09:34,849 it's like another five, ten minutes. 207 00:09:34,849 --> 00:09:38,561 I'd like that as well, but gosh , I was gonna say something else 208 00:09:38,561 --> 00:09:39,341 based on what you said. 209 00:09:39,341 --> 00:09:42,004 I forget squirrel, but anyways squirrel. 210 00:09:42,004 --> 00:09:42,945 Well, squirrel, but anyways Squirrel. 211 00:09:42,945 --> 00:09:43,125 That one. 212 00:09:43,125 --> 00:09:51,894 Well, I found two stories to discuss Disgust, disgust, oh, 213 00:09:51,955 --> 00:09:56,186 yes, anyways To discuss. 214 00:09:56,186 --> 00:10:02,102 The first one is from a site called she Knows and the author 215 00:10:02,423 --> 00:10:05,388 is Alice Kelly and this is from July 31st. 216 00:10:05,388 --> 00:10:10,328 And we've said any number of times you don't work in HR until 217 00:10:10,328 --> 00:10:11,370 you've dealt with poop. 218 00:10:14,881 --> 00:10:17,330 CeeCee: I know HR Besties says something about that Poop and 219 00:10:17,370 --> 00:10:17,490 porn. 220 00:10:17,879 --> 00:10:18,422 Warren: I think it was Jamie on HR. 221 00:10:18,442 --> 00:10:20,610 CeeCee: Besties has a poop story . 222 00:10:22,143 --> 00:10:25,033 Warren: If you're in HR and you don't have a poop story, you 223 00:10:25,052 --> 00:10:26,759 haven't earned your badges yet. 224 00:10:26,759 --> 00:10:27,139 That's true. 225 00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:31,730 CeeCee: By the way, really quick shout out to Jamie on the HR 226 00:10:31,750 --> 00:10:35,126 Besties, because if anyone hasn't heard or listened, first 227 00:10:35,167 --> 00:10:37,192 of all, they're fantastic, you should listen to them. 228 00:10:37,192 --> 00:10:42,571 Second of all, she has the most insane layoff story that I have 229 00:10:42,571 --> 00:10:43,152 ever heard. 230 00:10:43,152 --> 00:10:46,841 She's been laid off, she's looking for a new role, but it 231 00:10:46,961 --> 00:10:53,212 is a story of bad HR doing bad HR and there are bad actors out 232 00:10:53,253 --> 00:10:55,120 there and it makes me sad. 233 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,250 But you know, if you, if you know of any really good HR roles 234 00:10:59,250 --> 00:11:01,274 , send them to HR Bestie Jamie. 235 00:11:01,779 --> 00:11:05,288 Warren: Yeah, you know I'm a couple of weeks behind on my 236 00:11:05,308 --> 00:11:09,927 podcast right now, but I did see on social media a clip of them 237 00:11:10,009 --> 00:11:14,981 talking about what had happened and it's mainly Leah and Jamie 238 00:11:15,363 --> 00:11:16,765 doing the talking in that clip. 239 00:11:16,765 --> 00:11:22,102 I was like really, but it's bad HR like that that gives the 240 00:11:22,144 --> 00:11:25,171 true HR professionals who are out there busting their butt and 241 00:11:25,171 --> 00:11:25,913 working hard. 242 00:11:25,913 --> 00:11:29,423 They're the ones who give it a bad name and especially spoiler 243 00:11:29,464 --> 00:11:32,711 alert or whatever you want to say if you're lying and 244 00:11:32,751 --> 00:11:37,428 falsifying, creating falsified documents or whatever you want 245 00:11:37,448 --> 00:11:38,591 to say to that. 246 00:11:38,591 --> 00:11:41,249 I was watching that clip. 247 00:11:41,249 --> 00:11:42,980 It must have been on Instagram or something. 248 00:11:42,980 --> 00:11:50,475 My jaw was just dropped like really, you know really yeah. 249 00:11:50,515 --> 00:11:52,340 CeeCee: So if you haven't checked them out, go check them 250 00:11:52,379 --> 00:11:52,480 out. 251 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,986 She'll give you the whole story yeah, but here's the deal. 252 00:11:54,986 --> 00:11:57,263 If you check out their podcast and you like it, you still have 253 00:11:57,283 --> 00:11:59,230 to come back and still listen to our podcast. 254 00:11:59,350 --> 00:12:01,480 Warren: Yes, yes, absolutely, absolutely. 255 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,961 And that's one thing I like about the podcast universe, 256 00:12:04,022 --> 00:12:08,125 because there's so many podcasts out there and I don't think you 257 00:12:08,125 --> 00:12:14,090 necessarily compete with other podcasts in which I went through 258 00:12:14,090 --> 00:12:17,231 my list and I unsubscribed from some podcasts. 259 00:12:17,231 --> 00:12:27,677 Now some of them are like the Hustle Work Environment podcast, 260 00:12:27,677 --> 00:12:29,817 which hasn't released an episode since 2022. 261 00:12:29,817 --> 00:12:33,048 And I guess Corporate Pizza Party hasn't released an episode 262 00:12:33,048 --> 00:12:36,727 in like six months and I took those off my list. 263 00:12:36,727 --> 00:12:39,909 I'll keep my eyes open to see if they do put anything else out 264 00:12:39,909 --> 00:12:39,909 . 265 00:12:39,909 --> 00:12:43,129 But a couple of others I've been adding them. 266 00:12:43,129 --> 00:12:45,327 I added your Stupid Op stupid opinion based on your 267 00:12:45,399 --> 00:12:47,426 recommendation right yeah, it's. 268 00:12:47,647 --> 00:12:48,450 It's quite funny. 269 00:12:48,450 --> 00:12:52,081 Now I know they've done some stories of locations in 270 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:52,682 cincinnati. 271 00:12:52,682 --> 00:12:55,388 I'm waiting for them to do for us a location of somewhere I 272 00:12:55,448 --> 00:12:57,332 might be familiar with. 273 00:12:57,332 --> 00:13:00,852 They haven't done that quite yet, so I live okay. 274 00:13:00,873 --> 00:13:03,100 CeeCee: So for those of you who don't know, your stupid opinion 275 00:13:03,221 --> 00:13:07,447 is a podcast which is just that they read stupid opinions that 276 00:13:07,467 --> 00:13:13,445 people leave on reviews and I think it speaks to my love of 277 00:13:13,524 --> 00:13:17,633 and this is going to come off very jaded, but I used to run 278 00:13:17,852 --> 00:13:22,488 the what is it, the annual engagement surveys, and some of 279 00:13:22,528 --> 00:13:31,321 my favorite things was to go through the comment because A 280 00:13:31,341 --> 00:13:33,206 there's a lot of good stuff in there and there's also a lot of 281 00:13:33,226 --> 00:13:34,631 very unhinged things in there and people will say the most 282 00:13:34,652 --> 00:13:37,841 ridiculous stuff in there and it's confidential and we can't 283 00:13:37,922 --> 00:13:42,471 see who's leaving what comments, but it's a hoot just seeing 284 00:13:42,510 --> 00:13:44,662 what some people just leave uncensored. 285 00:13:45,163 --> 00:13:47,889 So if you're someone who loves a good engagement survey and 286 00:13:47,928 --> 00:13:52,421 loves reading comments on surveys, you should also go 287 00:13:52,441 --> 00:13:53,081 listen to that podcast. 288 00:13:53,081 --> 00:13:58,491 But I do live six minutes away from episode one where they talk 289 00:13:58,491 --> 00:13:59,374 about the worst Wendy's. 290 00:13:59,374 --> 00:14:00,903 It's right down the street. 291 00:14:00,903 --> 00:14:03,192 Oh, wow, yeah, anyway, it's right down the street. 292 00:14:03,211 --> 00:14:03,533 Warren: Oh, wow, yeah I. 293 00:14:03,913 --> 00:14:04,174 CeeCee: Anyway. 294 00:14:05,217 --> 00:14:07,846 Warren: I like it, and then their adult toy or whatever 295 00:14:08,166 --> 00:14:10,211 product that they do every week. 296 00:14:10,259 --> 00:14:11,279 CeeCee: The personal item of the week. 297 00:14:11,299 --> 00:14:12,344 Warren: Personal item of the week. 298 00:14:12,344 --> 00:14:13,128 Oh my gosh. 299 00:14:14,500 --> 00:14:18,288 There's been some where I'm like yeah, exactly none of this 300 00:14:18,490 --> 00:14:23,086 sounds enjoyable for anybody is that's an actual product and and 301 00:14:23,086 --> 00:14:24,633 a lot of them they're getting on amazon. 302 00:14:24,633 --> 00:14:30,549 They're not like going to some I know crazy snm online shop or 303 00:14:30,590 --> 00:14:31,292 something like that. 304 00:14:31,292 --> 00:14:35,038 They're, it's just amazon and I'm like, oh lordy. 305 00:14:35,038 --> 00:14:39,513 But yeah, sometimes I get bored is the only downside about that 306 00:14:39,513 --> 00:14:39,894 podcast. 307 00:14:39,894 --> 00:14:41,638 They go awfully long, like we do. 308 00:14:41,638 --> 00:14:46,947 They're starting to read so many comments and so I sort of 309 00:14:46,969 --> 00:14:48,433 yeah, okay, I got the gist of this place. 310 00:14:48,433 --> 00:14:54,048 Let's get to the personal item of the week, just to make myself 311 00:14:54,048 --> 00:14:54,929 cringe a little. 312 00:14:54,970 --> 00:14:58,677 CeeCee: So anyhow, Anyway, I'm sorry I derailed you. 313 00:14:58,758 --> 00:15:02,025 Warren: Oh no, no it was a great derailment, but anyways, 314 00:15:02,687 --> 00:15:05,313 Gwyneth Paltrow, she owns that company Goop. 315 00:15:05,313 --> 00:15:09,951 Ah yes, the poop, and that's notorious for some of their very 316 00:15:09,951 --> 00:15:11,072 special fragrances. 317 00:15:11,914 --> 00:15:12,375 CeeCee: Yes, yes, yes. 318 00:15:12,924 --> 00:15:15,614 Warren: Of their candles and such, but we won't get into that 319 00:15:15,614 --> 00:15:15,835 here. 320 00:15:15,835 --> 00:15:18,792 That can be saved for their personal item of the week. 321 00:15:18,792 --> 00:15:24,831 This article from she Knows apparently Goop has some potty 322 00:15:24,892 --> 00:15:31,192 problems at Goop and so apparently Gwyneth Paltrow sent 323 00:15:31,232 --> 00:15:33,317 an email to the entire staff. 324 00:15:33,317 --> 00:15:36,955 It says, quote found pee on a toilet seat at the office. 325 00:15:36,955 --> 00:15:38,730 Someone tinkled. 326 00:15:38,730 --> 00:15:40,631 Make sure to clean up after yourself. 327 00:15:40,631 --> 00:15:41,710 I'd appreciate it. 328 00:15:41,710 --> 00:15:47,215 And I'm just like yeah, that, oh, that was not an email, that 329 00:15:47,235 --> 00:15:50,207 was on the company's Slack channel, anyways. 330 00:15:50,427 --> 00:15:52,793 CeeCee: Was it from Gwyneth or was it from corporate 331 00:15:52,813 --> 00:15:54,357 communications that I need to know? 332 00:15:54,357 --> 00:15:59,294 We have our internal Slack, we have Slack and I'm just laughing 333 00:15:59,294 --> 00:16:03,534 because, like only certain people can do the all team 334 00:16:03,596 --> 00:16:05,871 channel and that's like corporate communications and 335 00:16:05,912 --> 00:16:06,113 stuff. 336 00:16:06,113 --> 00:16:09,802 But I'm like I'm wondering did it come from Gwyneth? 337 00:16:09,802 --> 00:16:12,092 Yes, Did it have like her name and her icon? 338 00:16:12,092 --> 00:16:14,934 And it was like please wipe up after your tinkles. 339 00:16:15,985 --> 00:16:18,673 Warren: If you tinkle and you sprinkle, be a sweetie, clean 340 00:16:18,693 --> 00:16:20,990 the CD Gosh anyways. 341 00:16:20,990 --> 00:16:24,865 But yeah, this is according to someone named Adele. 342 00:16:24,865 --> 00:16:29,234 She wrote a biography on working, I guess at Goop and 343 00:16:29,634 --> 00:16:34,529 Gwyneth Paltrow, and goes on, but anyways, she goes on to say 344 00:16:34,990 --> 00:16:41,128 that allegedly many who work excuse me, she goes about the 345 00:16:41,570 --> 00:16:45,008 behind the scenes of the company and things like allegedly many 346 00:16:45,067 --> 00:16:48,566 who quote work up the nerve to go into her office allegedly 347 00:16:48,626 --> 00:16:51,433 experience impatience of an attitude. 348 00:16:51,433 --> 00:16:55,071 Odell writes If an employee replied to one of her emails 349 00:16:55,152 --> 00:16:58,797 with thanks or on it, she'd tell them not to send those emails 350 00:16:58,836 --> 00:16:59,865 because they're a waste of time. 351 00:16:59,865 --> 00:17:04,634 So now I've heard I don't know if it was Steve Jobs or somebody 352 00:17:04,634 --> 00:17:05,576 else was that hate? 353 00:17:05,576 --> 00:17:06,826 And maybe it's no, I think it's . 354 00:17:06,826 --> 00:17:09,432 Bezos actually hates those emails. 355 00:17:09,432 --> 00:17:12,077 Yeah, I'm telling you what to do. 356 00:17:12,077 --> 00:17:14,050 Just get it done, don't you know? 357 00:17:14,050 --> 00:17:15,355 Give me okay. 358 00:17:15,497 --> 00:17:15,958 CeeCee: No, thank you. 359 00:17:16,138 --> 00:17:19,207 Yeah, no thank yous and things like that, but which is 360 00:17:19,247 --> 00:17:22,573 interesting because I will say one of like, early in my career, 361 00:17:22,573 --> 00:17:26,218 one of the first initiatives that like the team put out was 362 00:17:26,278 --> 00:17:26,778 this whole. 363 00:17:26,778 --> 00:17:27,319 What was it? 364 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:28,470 It was like these certain things. 365 00:17:28,470 --> 00:17:29,931 So it was like end on the fives . 366 00:17:29,931 --> 00:17:32,893 So you didn't like you're being handed at like five till 367 00:17:33,714 --> 00:17:34,116 whatever. 368 00:17:34,116 --> 00:17:37,855 So you gave people a chance to like go to the bathroom or 369 00:17:37,875 --> 00:17:38,115 something. 370 00:17:38,115 --> 00:17:44,346 And the other one was don't reply all and you don't need to 371 00:17:44,365 --> 00:17:46,510 say thanks like we got it like. 372 00:17:46,510 --> 00:17:49,458 So you don't have to like even reply all and say thanks or this 373 00:17:49,458 --> 00:17:50,587 was great, or blah, blah, blah. 374 00:17:50,587 --> 00:17:54,621 It was just like mail, like just we're just gonna do it 375 00:17:54,681 --> 00:17:58,890 right, but honestly, like I miss a nice thank you you can send 376 00:17:58,930 --> 00:17:59,391 me. 377 00:17:59,391 --> 00:18:03,257 Also, you can just confirm that you got it Like. 378 00:18:03,257 --> 00:18:04,278 Oh, got it On it. 379 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,892 Warren: Yeah, see, I like that. 380 00:18:07,892 --> 00:18:09,969 I like I don't. 381 00:18:09,969 --> 00:18:15,307 If my I have a whopping two employees under me and if I 382 00:18:15,627 --> 00:18:18,915 shoot them something to do and they don't reply, got it on it. 383 00:18:18,915 --> 00:18:20,660 I trust they're going to do it. 384 00:18:20,660 --> 00:18:24,346 So up to date, I don't have a reason not to. 385 00:18:24,346 --> 00:18:29,817 If situations changed and they gave me reason to say, hey, did 386 00:18:29,837 --> 00:18:33,351 you get that last email or something, then that'd be a 387 00:18:33,371 --> 00:18:33,531 thing. 388 00:18:33,531 --> 00:18:39,089 But I would say 99 plus percent of the time I just hey, can you 389 00:18:39,089 --> 00:18:40,373 knock this out for me real quick? 390 00:18:40,373 --> 00:18:43,430 And next thing, I know it's done before I get a thank you or 391 00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:44,270 anything like that. 392 00:18:44,270 --> 00:18:46,276 But sometimes they do. 393 00:18:46,276 --> 00:18:47,965 Yeah, I'll get that taken care of. 394 00:18:47,965 --> 00:18:49,667 Let's see here. 395 00:18:49,667 --> 00:18:59,526 Also in the book, odell writes, this hostile dynamic was subtle 396 00:18:59,526 --> 00:19:03,554 but damaging within the company and almost no one, the board 397 00:19:03,594 --> 00:19:05,679 included, was willing to tell her no. 398 00:19:05,679 --> 00:19:11,354 And that's a problem when you have people who are just too 399 00:19:11,555 --> 00:19:14,159 afraid to tell people no. 400 00:19:14,159 --> 00:19:17,632 I mean, is Gwyneth Paltrow that ? 401 00:19:17,632 --> 00:19:19,857 I don't know. 402 00:19:21,348 --> 00:19:22,492 CeeCee: I don't know anything about her. 403 00:19:22,492 --> 00:19:23,556 I don't, whatever. 404 00:19:23,556 --> 00:19:25,732 This is just my personal perception. 405 00:19:25,732 --> 00:19:31,550 She seems insufferable, honestly, like she just has that 406 00:19:31,550 --> 00:19:31,550 . 407 00:19:31,550 --> 00:19:37,518 Like her and Katy Perry, they just kind of seem like women who 408 00:19:37,518 --> 00:19:40,507 drank too much of their own Kool-Aid and think a lot of 409 00:19:40,547 --> 00:19:44,515 themselves, like and that I mean just people in general women 410 00:19:44,714 --> 00:19:46,459 who drank too much of their own Kool-Aid and think a lot of 411 00:19:46,499 --> 00:19:48,102 themselves like, and that I mean just people in general like 412 00:19:48,162 --> 00:19:48,281 even. 413 00:19:48,342 --> 00:19:52,487 You know, I don't know why I said two women, but they just 414 00:19:52,527 --> 00:19:54,653 seem like two individuals who, like, just think very highly of 415 00:19:54,674 --> 00:19:56,200 themselves and I don't have patience for that in anybody, 416 00:19:56,220 --> 00:19:58,126 Like if you take yourself too seriously and you know your own 417 00:19:58,146 --> 00:20:01,443 biggest fan in a very egotistical way and assume that 418 00:20:01,483 --> 00:20:03,210 everyone else believes the same thing. 419 00:20:03,210 --> 00:20:05,095 I just don't have patience for that and that's what I feel 420 00:20:05,134 --> 00:20:05,336 about. 421 00:20:05,336 --> 00:20:06,527 I'm so sorry. 422 00:20:07,509 --> 00:20:11,426 Warren: No see, I don't know enough about Quinteth Paltrow. 423 00:20:11,426 --> 00:20:15,915 I don't either, but she doesn't seem like why would you? 424 00:20:15,915 --> 00:20:19,808 I'm trying to think of somebody who might intimidate me to the 425 00:20:19,848 --> 00:20:22,574 point of like, oh no, no, but if I'm working for you and you're 426 00:20:22,594 --> 00:20:25,199 hiring me to do a job, sometimes that job is to give you advice 427 00:20:25,605 --> 00:20:28,955 hey, let's load, let's hit the brakes here, let's rethink this, 428 00:20:28,955 --> 00:20:30,288 or are we sure we're doing it? 429 00:20:30,288 --> 00:20:33,297 This is what we want to be doing, and things like that. 430 00:20:33,297 --> 00:20:34,527 Or even just flat out, no. 431 00:20:34,527 --> 00:20:40,156 I had a long discussion about exempt versus non-exempt with a 432 00:20:40,217 --> 00:20:43,931 manager not that long ago, and of course, the manager wants 433 00:20:43,951 --> 00:20:44,773 them to be exempt. 434 00:20:44,773 --> 00:20:49,391 And I'm like no, and I was trying to tell them. 435 00:20:49,391 --> 00:20:53,006 I was giving them every opportunity to convince me and 436 00:20:53,448 --> 00:20:54,531 they never convinced me. 437 00:20:54,531 --> 00:20:57,249 I said no, this person's hourly , but they're going to be 438 00:20:57,289 --> 00:20:58,173 working a lot of overtime. 439 00:20:58,173 --> 00:20:59,376 Okay, well, they'll make a lot of overtime then. 440 00:20:59,376 --> 00:20:59,913 Good for them. 441 00:20:59,913 --> 00:21:00,481 Yeah, it's going to be working a lot of overtime. 442 00:21:00,481 --> 00:21:01,309 Okay, well, they'll make a lot of overtime then. 443 00:21:01,269 --> 00:21:04,752 Go for that, yeah, it's going to be a lot of travel involved. 444 00:21:04,752 --> 00:21:06,231 That's why they're going to have so much overtime. 445 00:21:06,231 --> 00:21:12,836 And I'm like you know you haven't convinced me and I'm not 446 00:21:12,836 --> 00:21:18,290 hard to convince and I like finding I'm comfortable working 447 00:21:18,432 --> 00:21:24,460 in some gray areas as long as I feel that my, my, I feel pretty 448 00:21:24,519 --> 00:21:24,760 strong. 449 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:25,606 Okay, we're okay. 450 00:21:25,606 --> 00:21:28,855 You know it may not be absolutely perfect, but we're, 451 00:21:29,096 --> 00:21:32,992 we're okay and I think, being in a lot of leadership roles, you 452 00:21:33,012 --> 00:21:34,656 have to learn to accept some gray areas. 453 00:21:34,656 --> 00:21:55,577 But sometimes no is no, no means no. 454 00:21:55,577 --> 00:21:58,779 Sometimes I listen to weird podcasts I've never heard of 455 00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:02,603 before when he's on them and things like that and stuff like 456 00:22:02,643 --> 00:22:02,863 that. 457 00:22:02,863 --> 00:22:08,017 So just because he thinks differently and he does things 458 00:22:08,096 --> 00:22:12,088 differently and I like that, I like hearing his thoughts on 459 00:22:12,108 --> 00:22:12,230 things. 460 00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:13,855 I don't have to agree with him, I just like hearing his 461 00:22:13,875 --> 00:22:14,076 thoughts. 462 00:22:14,076 --> 00:22:18,470 Sometimes I was like dude, you're off base, but still, you 463 00:22:18,490 --> 00:22:18,609 know. 464 00:22:18,964 --> 00:22:19,609 CeeCee: He was my favorite on Shark Tank. 465 00:22:19,609 --> 00:22:19,972 Does that count? 466 00:22:19,972 --> 00:22:20,336 And he just still. 467 00:22:20,336 --> 00:22:21,545 You know he was my favorite on Shark Tank, Does that count? 468 00:22:21,585 --> 00:22:23,673 Warren: And he just retired from Shark Tank. 469 00:22:23,673 --> 00:22:25,230 He's not going to be doing it any longer. 470 00:22:25,230 --> 00:22:29,090 So yeah, and he's a fraternity brother of mine, but not the 471 00:22:29,132 --> 00:22:30,474 same college not the same mom. 472 00:22:30,515 --> 00:22:31,176 CeeCee: Yeah, you're saying. 473 00:22:31,526 --> 00:22:34,308 Warren: Not the same college, not the same year, I'm old but 474 00:22:34,348 --> 00:22:34,589 I'm not. 475 00:22:34,589 --> 00:22:43,825 Anyways, not going there, but anyways. 476 00:22:43,825 --> 00:22:44,486 So that was one story I had. 477 00:22:44,486 --> 00:22:46,569 The next story I had came to me from LinkedIn and the author's 478 00:22:46,589 --> 00:22:50,375 name is actually Warren Wang, like the WW name there, and he 479 00:22:50,435 --> 00:22:54,007 has 24 reasons why HR quits. 480 00:22:54,007 --> 00:22:58,233 So I want to go through this and hit these 24 things real 481 00:22:58,253 --> 00:22:58,413 quick. 482 00:22:58,413 --> 00:23:02,240 Get your thoughts and see if any spark any discussion there. 483 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:07,787 Treat HR like a department, not a partner, and I don't under 484 00:23:07,807 --> 00:23:08,730 you know they treat it like a. 485 00:23:08,730 --> 00:23:12,357 I guess you know HR should be your partner in things. 486 00:23:12,377 --> 00:23:13,460 CeeCee: I guess is what they're saying. 487 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:14,643 Warren: That's what they're saying yeah, I don't know, 488 00:23:14,682 --> 00:23:15,664 that's not a big deal. 489 00:23:15,845 --> 00:23:17,065 CeeCee: Yeah, like I get that. 490 00:23:17,065 --> 00:23:19,326 I'm not your order taker, I'm here to partner with you. 491 00:23:19,365 --> 00:23:22,907 Warren: Yeah, yeah Boy, reject their decisions in front of 492 00:23:22,988 --> 00:23:23,548 employees. 493 00:23:23,548 --> 00:23:26,929 Now that I don't know how frequently that happens. 494 00:23:26,929 --> 00:23:30,471 I don't think I've ever had that happen to me personally. 495 00:23:30,471 --> 00:23:39,034 No, I hope most people don't have that situation. 496 00:23:39,034 --> 00:23:43,056 Once again, I will have discussions with my bosses and 497 00:23:43,375 --> 00:23:47,617 give my opinion and sometimes I get told no, and I'm like you 498 00:23:47,637 --> 00:23:47,778 know. 499 00:23:47,778 --> 00:23:52,420 I made my opinion, thought known and you're you know you 500 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,760 can take the action based on that or not based on that. 501 00:23:54,760 --> 00:24:00,063 So force HR to be the bad cop without support. 502 00:24:00,583 --> 00:24:01,303 Andew Quilpa: Oh, yeah, yeah. 503 00:24:06,424 --> 00:24:07,711 Warren: How many times does HR need to send an email that's 504 00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:09,498 directed by, or some form of communication or new policies 505 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:15,385 forced by the C-suite that HR is like let's not do that, let's 506 00:24:15,465 --> 00:24:17,430 think of something else, let's try something else. 507 00:24:18,105 --> 00:24:21,913 CeeCee: Or even just like I don't know, like HR being the 508 00:24:22,032 --> 00:24:24,818 ones to always like we're, like always the scapegoats. 509 00:24:25,105 --> 00:24:28,694 It's always like oh, you know, we're firing people because of 510 00:24:28,755 --> 00:24:32,173 HR and it's like, well, no, like we don't make those decisions. 511 00:24:32,173 --> 00:24:36,635 So it's actually, you know, we are just kind of told what to do 512 00:24:36,635 --> 00:24:36,896 there. 513 00:24:36,896 --> 00:24:39,238 I mean, don't get me wrong, but there is probably some. 514 00:24:39,238 --> 00:24:41,118 If there's like a layoff or something, there's a lot of 515 00:24:41,159 --> 00:24:41,878 consultation. 516 00:24:41,878 --> 00:24:46,422 But I mean, it's not like we're walking around the halls being 517 00:24:46,461 --> 00:24:46,882 like you. 518 00:24:46,882 --> 00:24:48,462 I don't like how you look, Get out of here. 519 00:24:48,843 --> 00:24:49,363 Warren: Exactly. 520 00:24:49,423 --> 00:24:50,304 Andew Quilpa: You smiled funny. 521 00:24:50,545 --> 00:24:55,049 Warren: Get out of here, yeah, expect HR to fix what leadership 522 00:24:55,049 --> 00:24:55,691 won't address. 523 00:24:55,691 --> 00:24:58,554 Now I have not experienced that either. 524 00:24:58,554 --> 00:25:04,121 I hear it so often that you know HR has got to fix the 525 00:25:04,161 --> 00:25:04,942 culture problem. 526 00:25:04,942 --> 00:25:06,611 Culture seems to be the number one thing. 527 00:25:06,611 --> 00:25:10,953 You see that it's not something any one individual or any one 528 00:25:11,013 --> 00:25:12,156 department is going to fix. 529 00:25:12,156 --> 00:25:13,809 It's a team effort. 530 00:25:13,809 --> 00:25:19,190 It is Give them the authority, but give them no authority, but 531 00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:20,271 expect them to lead. 532 00:25:20,271 --> 00:25:24,118 And so far all these have a similar theme. 533 00:25:24,118 --> 00:25:37,086 You know, if you want to lead, you have to give some authority 534 00:25:37,126 --> 00:25:38,729 to you know, whip people back in line or get them otherwise 535 00:25:38,749 --> 00:25:39,349 motivated to that. 536 00:25:39,349 --> 00:25:41,031 Never back them up and wonder why they leave. 537 00:25:41,031 --> 00:25:44,395 We were discussing a few episodes ago that HR in 538 00:25:44,476 --> 00:25:47,839 corporate world has the highest turnover rate of any corporate 539 00:25:47,859 --> 00:25:51,990 function and I found that hard to believe. 540 00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:53,704 But you know, you did the research and found it. 541 00:25:53,704 --> 00:25:57,194 You know good old chat GPT says that is accurate. 542 00:25:57,194 --> 00:26:02,945 So you know that is accurate. 543 00:26:02,965 --> 00:26:04,167 CeeCee: So you know, according to my podcast episode that aired 544 00:26:04,167 --> 00:26:05,371 today, the best prompt is to ask it to source itself, so you 545 00:26:05,391 --> 00:26:08,897 can do your due diligence and check sources because it is 546 00:26:09,085 --> 00:26:09,506 wrong. 547 00:26:09,506 --> 00:26:13,153 So I hope you didn't believe those facts at face value, 548 00:26:13,212 --> 00:26:13,973 Warren. 549 00:26:15,136 --> 00:26:16,538 Warren: They came from you, though. 550 00:26:16,538 --> 00:26:17,307 So I believe. 551 00:26:17,307 --> 00:26:23,123 Of course I believe, but I use gemini, and almost always it has 552 00:26:23,123 --> 00:26:26,857 links that you can follow to figure out what and look at what 553 00:26:26,857 --> 00:26:27,982 they're citing as their source. 554 00:26:27,982 --> 00:26:31,332 But anyways, once again, similar theme put them in a 555 00:26:31,393 --> 00:26:33,176 spotlight and then leave them to fail. 556 00:26:33,176 --> 00:26:38,933 Too many projects, oh, hr is going to take on whatever the 557 00:26:38,973 --> 00:26:42,440 situation is and then have fun with that. 558 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:47,449 We're not going to support you other than here it is Reward 559 00:26:47,670 --> 00:26:49,635 them with more work but no recognition. 560 00:26:49,635 --> 00:26:52,252 But I think that's anywhere you work. 561 00:26:52,252 --> 00:26:53,809 I don't think that's unique to HR. 562 00:26:54,191 --> 00:26:57,388 CeeCee: Yeah, there was just a video I saw today where it was 563 00:26:57,429 --> 00:27:00,255 like how to burn out your high performers in the way where 564 00:27:00,275 --> 00:27:02,058 they're like saying Absolutely. 565 00:27:02,058 --> 00:27:03,808 You know your high performers are going to get things done 566 00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:06,835 faster and quicker, but you're just going to pile on more work 567 00:27:06,875 --> 00:27:10,107 and then yeah, this one. 568 00:27:10,209 --> 00:27:14,270 Warren: I have some thoughts on Expect magic when no real 569 00:27:14,451 --> 00:27:15,776 resources are provided. 570 00:27:17,005 --> 00:27:17,465 Andew Quilpa: Hmm. 571 00:27:17,506 --> 00:27:22,913 Warren: So sometimes you get some nebulous marching orders of 572 00:27:22,913 --> 00:27:27,519 do this or find this or whatever it is, and that's all 573 00:27:27,539 --> 00:27:32,115 you're given and it's up to you to figure it out. 574 00:27:32,115 --> 00:27:35,426 You're not going to get a roadmap for every problem that 575 00:27:35,467 --> 00:27:40,711 comes your way and sometimes you know resources may be thin and 576 00:27:40,851 --> 00:27:44,292 you just have to figure things out on yourself, do things 577 00:27:44,334 --> 00:27:48,496 yourself, that you might not be in your comfort zone or anything 578 00:27:48,496 --> 00:27:52,078 , but I kind of like things like that. 579 00:27:52,078 --> 00:27:55,862 Just ooh, point me in a new direction and let me see. 580 00:27:56,382 --> 00:27:57,262 Andew Quilpa: I don't know. 581 00:28:00,381 --> 00:28:00,722 Warren: That's me. 582 00:28:00,722 --> 00:28:02,028 This is another one. 583 00:28:02,028 --> 00:28:04,635 Treat them like office admins, not strategic thinkers. 584 00:28:04,635 --> 00:28:09,375 And I think this one goes back to once again hiring those 585 00:28:09,936 --> 00:28:10,136 people. 586 00:28:10,136 --> 00:28:12,192 Oh, you were so good in our customer service department, 587 00:28:12,224 --> 00:28:14,073 you'll be a great HR manager. 588 00:28:14,073 --> 00:28:17,453 You're so good in doing whatever other function 589 00:28:17,614 --> 00:28:20,291 administrative function You'll be a great HR person. 590 00:28:20,291 --> 00:28:25,576 And I think that's why they get treated like admins and such. 591 00:28:25,576 --> 00:28:32,213 Yeah, overload them with admin tasks and not strategic focus. 592 00:28:32,213 --> 00:28:33,356 The exact same thing. 593 00:28:33,356 --> 00:28:37,557 So his 24 reasons list is not really 24 reasons. 594 00:28:38,184 --> 00:28:39,811 Once again covered this one to a degree. 595 00:28:39,811 --> 00:28:43,224 Give them zero budget but expect world-class talent yeah, 596 00:28:43,265 --> 00:28:44,489 but HR is. 597 00:28:44,489 --> 00:28:47,757 I've never worked anywhere that HR has been over budgeted. 598 00:28:47,757 --> 00:28:52,070 So but I think, once again you go, if you go to any department 599 00:28:52,151 --> 00:28:55,236 marketing, accounting, any of them they're going to say, yeah, 600 00:28:55,236 --> 00:28:57,880 we, we don't have enough budget , we want more. 601 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:58,686 Everybody wants more. 602 00:28:58,686 --> 00:29:02,154 But I think HR probably gets the shoulder into the stick on 603 00:29:02,556 --> 00:29:03,018 that a lot. 604 00:29:03,018 --> 00:29:07,714 Make them fight for basic compliance like it's a favor. 605 00:29:07,714 --> 00:29:12,093 You know, like I mentioned earlier that conversation I had 606 00:29:12,213 --> 00:29:14,077 with exempt versus non-exempt. 607 00:29:16,125 --> 00:29:18,266 CeeCee: There's like it's black and white check, like it's kind 608 00:29:18,286 --> 00:29:19,471 of black and white guidelines, yeah, that kind of stuff. 609 00:29:19,471 --> 00:29:19,894 There's six factors. 610 00:29:19,933 --> 00:29:21,240 Warren: You have black and white check Like it's kind of black 611 00:29:21,259 --> 00:29:22,384 and white guidelines, yeah, that kind of stuff. 612 00:29:22,625 --> 00:29:24,167 CeeCee: There's six factors you have to look at. 613 00:29:24,167 --> 00:29:26,231 No. 614 00:29:26,692 --> 00:29:30,609 Warren: Yeah, let's see I'm going to try and skip some of 615 00:29:30,631 --> 00:29:30,790 these. 616 00:29:30,790 --> 00:29:32,731 There's some that are duplicates here. 617 00:29:32,731 --> 00:29:36,996 Expect them to heal toxic environments with no tools. 618 00:29:36,996 --> 00:29:40,428 We spoke about it earlier A toxic environment. 619 00:29:40,428 --> 00:29:44,808 If it's an environment problem, it's an everybody problem. 620 00:29:44,808 --> 00:29:47,797 If it's a toxic person, yeah, HR can deal with that. 621 00:29:48,785 --> 00:29:50,830 CeeCee: I don't know how you think about it, but yeah, it is 622 00:29:50,851 --> 00:29:54,250 an everybody problem, but I feel like it more so lies on 623 00:29:54,531 --> 00:29:54,973 leadership. 624 00:29:54,993 --> 00:29:55,615 Warren: Top management. 625 00:29:55,635 --> 00:29:58,446 CeeCee: Because people are learning it from somewhere and 626 00:29:58,507 --> 00:30:02,464 it's being the behaviors are being accepted by someone. 627 00:30:02,464 --> 00:30:07,234 So yeah, like I think the burden of that probably lands on 628 00:30:07,234 --> 00:30:08,857 , like, the top level. 629 00:30:08,857 --> 00:30:10,329 It does not land on HR. 630 00:30:11,384 --> 00:30:12,569 Warren: I absolutely agree. 631 00:30:12,569 --> 00:30:15,570 Well said, expect them to same thing. 632 00:30:15,570 --> 00:30:19,096 Expect them to fix burnout while rewarding overwork. 633 00:30:19,096 --> 00:30:23,093 I mean it's a no-brainer with that. 634 00:30:23,093 --> 00:30:25,753 Dump every office problem on them and walk away 635 00:30:25,954 --> 00:30:26,979 administrative type thing. 636 00:30:26,979 --> 00:30:30,269 Ignore every workplace issue until it's a full-blown crisis. 637 00:30:30,269 --> 00:30:35,518 You know early intervention like drug. 638 00:30:35,518 --> 00:30:37,488 You know the drug commercials from the 80s and 90s. 639 00:30:37,488 --> 00:30:42,939 Early intervention can prevent this If you address early. 640 00:30:44,026 --> 00:30:47,416 I use the example of one of my manager trainings telling about 641 00:30:48,220 --> 00:30:51,568 my point is to address problems earlier and I say you know, if 642 00:30:51,869 --> 00:30:55,337 an employee is doing A and you want them to do B, address it as 643 00:30:55,337 --> 00:30:57,948 soon as you notice the problem, because the longer you wait, 644 00:30:58,008 --> 00:31:00,971 the further A and B get from each other and there's a point 645 00:31:01,512 --> 00:31:03,075 where you can't fix it. 646 00:31:03,275 --> 00:31:07,641 You know there's so much time and money or resources or 647 00:31:07,661 --> 00:31:09,528 they've just been going the wrong direction for so long. 648 00:31:09,528 --> 00:31:11,635 And the employee? 649 00:31:11,635 --> 00:31:14,006 I bet they may, worst case scenario, they get their 650 00:31:14,186 --> 00:31:15,392 feelings hurt for a little while . 651 00:31:15,392 --> 00:31:18,865 But I think ultimately they'll appreciate being put on the 652 00:31:18,905 --> 00:31:23,028 right track and despite all you see about quite quitting and all 653 00:31:23,028 --> 00:31:26,435 this other stuff, I do not believe people come to work with 654 00:31:26,435 --> 00:31:29,652 the intention of doing a bad job and this is like the least 655 00:31:29,711 --> 00:31:31,096 jaded you're going to ever hear me. 656 00:31:31,096 --> 00:31:35,773 I think everybody comes to work trying to do the best they're 657 00:31:35,814 --> 00:31:39,448 capable of doing and sometimes to raise that capability they 658 00:31:39,488 --> 00:31:42,205 need a good management team or a good leader, mentor or 659 00:31:42,246 --> 00:31:45,092 something like that who can stretch their capabilities and 660 00:31:45,653 --> 00:31:46,335 grow them. 661 00:31:46,335 --> 00:31:48,807 So that's my little soapbox. 662 00:31:49,771 --> 00:31:52,101 CeeCee: I will say that some people are motivated a little 663 00:31:52,142 --> 00:31:52,984 differently than others. 664 00:31:52,984 --> 00:31:55,810 There's different levels of motivation to do their best. 665 00:31:55,810 --> 00:32:00,749 But I agree with you when you say no one wakes up in the 666 00:32:00,788 --> 00:32:03,817 morning and says I can't wait to suck at my job. 667 00:32:03,817 --> 00:32:08,276 Like I can't wait to cause issues for everybody, like I 668 00:32:08,316 --> 00:32:08,557 think so. 669 00:32:08,684 --> 00:32:09,729 Warren: Now causing issues? 670 00:32:09,729 --> 00:32:11,634 The drama kings and queens out there. 671 00:32:11,634 --> 00:32:13,150 I think some of them. 672 00:32:13,150 --> 00:32:14,433 I think they're looking. 673 00:32:14,433 --> 00:32:17,431 You know what are they? 674 00:32:17,431 --> 00:32:19,392 They twiddle their thumbs all night. 675 00:32:19,392 --> 00:32:22,413 Oh, yes, I'm going to create some drama at work. 676 00:32:22,625 --> 00:32:26,413 Anyways, change policies consistently, constantly and 677 00:32:26,454 --> 00:32:27,537 expect them to keep up. 678 00:32:27,537 --> 00:32:30,272 Cut their team, but increase their workload. 679 00:32:30,272 --> 00:32:31,367 Same as you know. 680 00:32:31,367 --> 00:32:34,096 Punish them for speaking up about uncomfortable truths. 681 00:32:34,096 --> 00:32:38,174 Blame them for bad hires, but never involve them in the hiring 682 00:32:38,174 --> 00:32:38,174 . 683 00:32:38,174 --> 00:32:46,047 Hires, but never involve them in the hiring. 684 00:32:46,047 --> 00:32:47,509 I had a situation we just were sending an offer yesterday to an 685 00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:47,690 employee. 686 00:32:47,690 --> 00:32:51,637 We've been working with them for months and from the word go, 687 00:32:51,637 --> 00:32:54,912 at the very beginning, zatar isn't getting involved. 688 00:32:54,912 --> 00:32:58,805 But we extend the offer and I'm talking to him about, okay, we 689 00:32:58,825 --> 00:32:59,806 accepted the offer. 690 00:32:59,806 --> 00:33:02,268 And then, okay, here's what's going to happen. 691 00:33:02,268 --> 00:33:22,409 You're been in, you know can't catch him, you know to follow up 692 00:33:22,409 --> 00:33:25,519 with him and anyways, long story short, he continued that 693 00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:25,961 trend. 694 00:33:25,961 --> 00:33:29,273 But as soon as he started being difficult, I was like I was 695 00:33:29,294 --> 00:33:30,238 telling the hiring manager. 696 00:33:30,238 --> 00:33:32,385 I said I got bad feelings about this guy. 697 00:33:32,385 --> 00:33:37,756 And then, yeah, we, we rescinded the offer, call them 698 00:33:38,036 --> 00:33:41,488 hr, but never give them a real seat at the table, the seat at 699 00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:43,653 the table, the seat at the table thing. 700 00:33:43,673 --> 00:33:45,938 The seat at the table Cliché you want to know something. 701 00:33:45,964 --> 00:33:47,892 CeeCee: That was like literally the first thing I learned in 702 00:33:47,932 --> 00:33:48,493 grad school. 703 00:33:50,086 --> 00:33:51,070 Warren: How to get a seat at the table. 704 00:33:51,566 --> 00:33:53,133 CeeCee: HR has to have a seat at the table. 705 00:33:54,765 --> 00:33:58,522 Warren: You know nobody, you know a couple semesters into 706 00:33:58,563 --> 00:33:58,924 grad school. 707 00:33:58,924 --> 00:34:01,192 Nobody's brought that up to me. 708 00:34:01,192 --> 00:34:03,626 Once again. 709 00:34:03,626 --> 00:34:07,036 The last two are, you know, similar to what's been covered 710 00:34:07,056 --> 00:34:09,873 before Demand, culture change without leadership actually 711 00:34:09,932 --> 00:34:13,931 changing and push toxic managers forward with the expectation 712 00:34:14,853 --> 00:34:16,577 and expect retention to improve. 713 00:34:16,577 --> 00:34:19,353 So yeah, some of those are good . 714 00:34:19,353 --> 00:34:23,708 I mean that could have been a top 10 list of reasons why HR 715 00:34:23,789 --> 00:34:24,170 quits? 716 00:34:24,190 --> 00:34:25,594 CeeCee: Honestly, there were some things that were like a 717 00:34:25,635 --> 00:34:26,237 little repetitive. 718 00:34:26,525 --> 00:34:27,327 Warren: Yeah, yeah. 719 00:34:27,487 --> 00:34:30,094 CeeCee: I just said the same thing in a different way, but 720 00:34:30,635 --> 00:34:31,476 they're all great Like. 721 00:34:31,476 --> 00:34:32,666 I agree with all of those. 722 00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:33,949 Warren: It's. 723 00:34:33,949 --> 00:34:35,592 You know I enjoy cooking. 724 00:34:35,592 --> 00:34:39,186 I told you my my noise is food network and I'll download 725 00:34:39,246 --> 00:34:39,768 recipes. 726 00:34:39,768 --> 00:34:44,498 And it kills me If you go to like all recipes or something 727 00:34:44,538 --> 00:34:47,971 like that, a recipe for something that you only want. 728 00:34:47,971 --> 00:34:51,208 The recipe it's 10 ingredients or less, but you have to scroll 729 00:34:51,268 --> 00:34:54,423 300 pages deep because they have to put. 730 00:34:54,585 --> 00:34:58,574 CeeCee: This casserole was what my grandmother served on every 731 00:34:58,655 --> 00:34:59,878 special occasion. 732 00:35:00,505 --> 00:35:03,954 Warren: I can't tell you the warm and inviting scents that 733 00:35:04,054 --> 00:35:06,548 whiffed it through, that, like, just tell me how to make the 734 00:35:06,568 --> 00:35:10,027 damn casserole, that's all I want Exactly, but I figured it 735 00:35:10,106 --> 00:35:13,112 out because the more verbiage and the longer the pages, the 736 00:35:13,132 --> 00:35:18,099 more ads they can put up there and pay for that stupid recipe. 737 00:35:18,099 --> 00:35:19,161 That didn't work out well. 738 00:35:26,885 --> 00:35:27,989 CeeCee: By the way, we like have a storm brewing like the 739 00:35:28,009 --> 00:35:28,692 thunder is right over our house. 740 00:35:28,711 --> 00:35:29,012 Warren: That scared me. 741 00:35:29,012 --> 00:35:29,797 I apologize if you can hear that. 742 00:35:29,797 --> 00:35:31,844 Oh, I didn't hear it didn't hear a thing, wow, but no, those 743 00:35:31,844 --> 00:35:35,612 were the two things I had to cover I found interesting in the 744 00:35:35,612 --> 00:35:45,106 hr world this week or the last two weeks this week or the last 745 00:35:45,128 --> 00:35:45,427 two weeks. 746 00:35:45,447 --> 00:35:45,668 CeeCee: So I was. 747 00:35:45,668 --> 00:35:46,911 You know we're talking about other podcasts before and I, 748 00:35:46,931 --> 00:35:50,722 being the complete fan of the office, I started listening to 749 00:35:50,802 --> 00:35:54,648 rain wilson's podcast called soul boom what is the gist of 750 00:35:54,688 --> 00:35:54,869 that? 751 00:35:54,969 --> 00:35:58,815 Warren: because I know he's big in the sci-fi universe and he's. 752 00:35:58,815 --> 00:36:02,041 He's got a lot more going on than just the office. 753 00:36:03,402 --> 00:36:05,666 CeeCee: Yeah, so Soul Boom, I think it. 754 00:36:05,666 --> 00:36:11,237 He used to like run an online creative called Soul Pancake and 755 00:36:11,237 --> 00:36:14,206 it was all very like positive stuff and he was part. 756 00:36:14,206 --> 00:36:17,798 Now Soul Boom is something different and basically he talks 757 00:36:17,798 --> 00:36:22,514 about how he had issues with severe depression and severe 758 00:36:22,594 --> 00:36:24,463 anxiety when he was working in the office. 759 00:36:24,463 --> 00:36:27,731 Like theoretically, he had everything in life that anyone 760 00:36:27,771 --> 00:36:31,418 could ever ask for, but he still found himself very unhappy. 761 00:36:31,418 --> 00:36:37,010 So it's basically his way of finding purpose, I guess like 762 00:36:37,050 --> 00:36:40,637 finding purpose in life, and he like talks to a lot of 763 00:36:40,898 --> 00:36:41,920 individual guests. 764 00:36:42,822 --> 00:36:43,523 Warren: I heard that one. 765 00:36:44,931 --> 00:36:50,121 CeeCee: Like right here, but it's a lot of like wellness and 766 00:36:50,181 --> 00:36:55,411 mental health, wellness and stuff like that, like wellness 767 00:36:55,431 --> 00:36:56,514 and mental health, wellness and stuff like that and 768 00:36:56,554 --> 00:36:56,914 self-discovery. 769 00:36:56,914 --> 00:36:58,458 So he had ed helms on and then helms talked about a lot of 770 00:36:58,498 --> 00:37:02,030 stuff that he dealt with, like dealing with adhd and a late 771 00:37:02,092 --> 00:37:03,655 life diagnosis with that. 772 00:37:03,655 --> 00:37:07,302 But anyway, they were talking about the office and they were 773 00:37:07,329 --> 00:37:12,235 reminiscing a little bit and he asked you know they talked about 774 00:37:12,235 --> 00:37:13,496 and talked about Andy Bernard's . 775 00:37:13,496 --> 00:37:16,559 One of Andy Bernard's famous last lines was I wish there was 776 00:37:16,621 --> 00:37:20,585 a way that you could know that you were in the good old days 777 00:37:20,724 --> 00:37:24,054 before you left them and they had like a little conversation 778 00:37:24,094 --> 00:37:26,601 about that, like what to them was a good old day. 779 00:37:26,601 --> 00:37:30,237 And I was like, oh, like thinking about all the companies 780 00:37:30,237 --> 00:37:31,400 I used to work at. 781 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,347 I just thought it would be interesting to just talk about, 782 00:37:34,686 --> 00:37:38,831 as far as company goes, like what was your good old day, like 783 00:37:38,831 --> 00:37:41,318 what was the best time and your favorite company and your 784 00:37:41,358 --> 00:37:42,420 favorite people to work with. 785 00:37:43,150 --> 00:37:44,737 Warren: So I was telling you all fair. 786 00:37:44,737 --> 00:37:49,668 I had a very similar conversation with somebody very 787 00:37:49,768 --> 00:37:56,472 recently so I'm like prepared for this with somebody very 788 00:37:56,592 --> 00:37:56,771 recently. 789 00:37:56,771 --> 00:37:57,474 So I'm like prepared for this. 790 00:37:57,474 --> 00:37:58,617 So what I did in this conversation is I started back 791 00:37:58,637 --> 00:38:00,503 in my first true professional HR position. 792 00:38:00,503 --> 00:38:02,990 I did third-party recruiting that company. 793 00:38:02,990 --> 00:38:05,775 It was fast-paced, it was fun. 794 00:38:05,775 --> 00:38:09,791 I mean, we had a kegerator at work, we drank Bloody Marys at 795 00:38:09,831 --> 00:38:12,641 work, we partied hard, we worked hard. 796 00:38:12,641 --> 00:38:14,648 But it was a great environment. 797 00:38:14,648 --> 00:38:17,456 I didn't necessarily fit in as well there. 798 00:38:17,456 --> 00:38:21,909 I was a little awkward and I was only there a few years, but 799 00:38:21,949 --> 00:38:23,996 it was a good environment. 800 00:38:23,996 --> 00:38:25,903 I liked the company, I liked the people. 801 00:38:25,903 --> 00:38:28,190 I just never felt like I truly fit in. 802 00:38:28,190 --> 00:38:30,231 So that was a good experience. 803 00:38:30,231 --> 00:38:34,793 Then after that I worked at a staffing agency. 804 00:38:34,793 --> 00:38:40,657 Once again, I liked the people I worked with but I didn't like 805 00:38:40,697 --> 00:38:42,518 the staffing agency side of it. 806 00:38:42,518 --> 00:38:44,119 That just wasn't me. 807 00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:48,262 I was only recruiting, I wasn't doing sales or anything, but it 808 00:38:48,262 --> 00:38:51,505 just wasn't for me that aspect. 809 00:38:52,144 --> 00:38:57,952 I joined the CPA firm and I was a recruiter then and the first 810 00:38:58,012 --> 00:38:59,878 couple of years I was in love with it. 811 00:38:59,878 --> 00:39:01,474 I was doing recruiting. 812 00:39:01,474 --> 00:39:02,458 I loved it. 813 00:39:02,458 --> 00:39:07,253 Well, I wouldn't say I liked some of the people I liked one 814 00:39:07,273 --> 00:39:08,297 of the people in my HR team. 815 00:39:08,297 --> 00:39:13,478 I did not like my HR team terribly much and I actually 816 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,963 sought to move myself out. 817 00:39:15,963 --> 00:39:18,971 We moved from like the fifth floor to the ninth floor and 818 00:39:19,012 --> 00:39:22,373 there was only so many offices available and they said someone 819 00:39:22,393 --> 00:39:24,380 in the HR team is going to have to move over by IT. 820 00:39:24,380 --> 00:39:27,576 And my hand shot up like a rocket and I'm like, yes, put me 821 00:39:27,576 --> 00:39:27,757 with IT. 822 00:39:27,757 --> 00:39:32,052 So that was good and it ended. 823 00:39:32,112 --> 00:39:34,880 Really I hated the way that job ended. 824 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,742 They they brought in a director level above me without ever 825 00:39:37,782 --> 00:39:40,731 letting me know they wanted a director level or someone to act 826 00:39:40,731 --> 00:39:45,641 like that who was a PETA and drove me out quickly. 827 00:39:45,641 --> 00:39:49,416 I and it's fine as I I think he was going to fire me before I, 828 00:39:50,277 --> 00:39:51,621 after that, went to the law firm . 829 00:39:51,621 --> 00:39:56,949 I really the law firm was the first place I worked for that I 830 00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:59,494 thought I could see myself actually retiring from. 831 00:39:59,494 --> 00:40:01,057 I liked it. 832 00:40:01,057 --> 00:40:05,271 I liked a lot of the attorneys. 833 00:40:05,271 --> 00:40:08,699 I liked especially the labor and employment attorneys. 834 00:40:08,699 --> 00:40:10,021 I liked them a lot. 835 00:40:10,021 --> 00:40:13,393 I knew of them and I've worked with them in the past, both 836 00:40:13,554 --> 00:40:17,659 because they were the CPA firm's attorneys and I've worked with 837 00:40:17,679 --> 00:40:21,045 them, unfortunately more than my share of occasions with that, 838 00:40:21,170 --> 00:40:22,251 but I like that. 839 00:40:22,251 --> 00:40:27,302 It was just not the best HR environment. 840 00:40:27,302 --> 00:40:30,996 I don't think it was only two of us plus a payroll person and 841 00:40:31,177 --> 00:40:35,003 we were the personnel department and we did everything on excel 842 00:40:35,090 --> 00:40:39,077 spreadsheets and that just personnel yeah, obviously, 843 00:40:39,117 --> 00:40:40,561 assistant personnel director. 844 00:40:41,182 --> 00:40:41,972 I worked at the hospital. 845 00:40:41,972 --> 00:40:42,896 I've told that story. 846 00:40:42,896 --> 00:40:46,190 They lost their license within weeks of me starting and I got 847 00:40:46,250 --> 00:40:47,251 laid off six months later. 848 00:40:47,251 --> 00:40:49,094 But that was just awful. 849 00:40:49,094 --> 00:40:51,076 The university I've worked there. 850 00:40:51,076 --> 00:40:58,266 I really I'll say this on the air I went in with a thought of 851 00:40:58,389 --> 00:40:59,793 this is going to be temporary for me. 852 00:41:00,273 --> 00:41:06,490 I had a very bad preconceived idea for profit education and 853 00:41:06,590 --> 00:41:08,918 once I got in and saw you know, there's good players in the game 854 00:41:08,918 --> 00:41:11,114 , bad players in the game, and this university was a good 855 00:41:11,175 --> 00:41:12,380 player in the game. 856 00:41:12,380 --> 00:41:15,791 I liked a lot about it. 857 00:41:15,791 --> 00:41:19,438 I loved my HR team, probably the best HR team that I will 858 00:41:19,539 --> 00:41:20,280 ever work with. 859 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,070 Patrick was on that team. 860 00:41:22,070 --> 00:41:28,043 I've had other members in season one were guests with me. 861 00:41:28,043 --> 00:41:32,775 The team was great, the university was good and things 862 00:41:32,795 --> 00:41:33,016 like that. 863 00:41:33,016 --> 00:41:35,121 But the water park it was what it was. 864 00:41:35,121 --> 00:41:37,257 That wasn't the right job for me. 865 00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:42,036 But now where I'm at now, I think I'm actually long story. 866 00:41:42,036 --> 00:41:46,282 I think I'm actually in that point where I'm in the good old 867 00:41:46,322 --> 00:41:48,045 days and I can recognize it. 868 00:41:48,045 --> 00:41:52,596 I love the work I'm doing and you know, I know there's a 869 00:41:52,635 --> 00:41:55,398 couple of people from my office who listen to this and I'm not 870 00:41:55,438 --> 00:41:57,081 saying this in a brown nosing way. 871 00:41:57,081 --> 00:42:00,606 I love the work I'm doing, I love the company I'm working for 872 00:42:00,606 --> 00:42:00,606 . 873 00:42:00,606 --> 00:42:02,030 I love my boss. 874 00:42:02,030 --> 00:42:06,518 She gives me virtually unlimited freedom and allows me 875 00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:10,512 to do pretty much anything I please, as long you know, with 876 00:42:10,592 --> 00:42:13,001 it I don't ask anything stupid, I don't think. 877 00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:18,659 But it's, and we mesh very well, we, we think very similarly on 878 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:24,217 things, and so I think I'm in the good old days now and I, I 879 00:42:25,038 --> 00:42:29,130 once again, I, I see this place as hopefully my final, my final 880 00:42:29,391 --> 00:42:32,217 piece of employment before I finally do retire. 881 00:42:32,217 --> 00:42:36,052 So I hope I'm correct in saying I'm living in the good old days 882 00:42:36,052 --> 00:42:36,052 . 883 00:42:36,052 --> 00:42:37,976 I have two employees. 884 00:42:37,976 --> 00:42:40,541 I really enjoy them both. 885 00:42:40,541 --> 00:42:42,791 They're, you know, great. 886 00:42:42,791 --> 00:42:45,257 I'm very pleased with them. 887 00:42:45,257 --> 00:42:50,208 I don't have to hard manage them, it's just everything's 888 00:42:50,369 --> 00:42:53,237 going sunshine and roses, and I've been there for six and a 889 00:42:53,259 --> 00:42:57,059 half years now, so it's not like I've got the new car smell 890 00:42:57,099 --> 00:42:57,621 still there. 891 00:42:58,811 --> 00:42:59,836 CeeCee: I love it. 892 00:42:59,836 --> 00:43:06,338 I was thinking about this too, I would say, when I used to work 893 00:43:06,338 --> 00:43:08,791 for I'll just say the name, it doesn't matter anymore when I 894 00:43:08,831 --> 00:43:11,219 used to work for Luxottica, which was like a big eyewear 895 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:11,579 company. 896 00:43:11,579 --> 00:43:18,195 That was some of the most fun I've had and I will say I think 897 00:43:18,235 --> 00:43:19,659 it was because I was earlier in career. 898 00:43:19,659 --> 00:43:23,869 I worked on the recruiting team and recruiting is a hoot and 899 00:43:23,911 --> 00:43:27,719 then I got to like jump off the recruiting team and go into, 900 00:43:27,798 --> 00:43:32,297 like the learning and OD space and we were doing things there 901 00:43:32,518 --> 00:43:34,123 that were very ahead of its time . 902 00:43:34,123 --> 00:43:40,019 So like we were doing things back in I would say, 2012 ish. 903 00:43:40,019 --> 00:43:41,344 Like we had a. 904 00:43:41,585 --> 00:43:44,472 We had a diversity and inclusion person at that point, which 905 00:43:44,552 --> 00:43:47,880 before, like then, like not a lot of companies had that and 906 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,057 then we also just like did a lot of like leadership competencies 907 00:43:52,057 --> 00:43:56,072 and stuff like that, and it was like I'm still using things I 908 00:43:56,152 --> 00:44:00,784 did there presently because we were so ahead of the curve there 909 00:44:00,784 --> 00:44:05,315 that it's kind of like sometimes, you know, I still 910 00:44:05,516 --> 00:44:07,179 pull on those past experiences. 911 00:44:07,179 --> 00:44:11,152 But I mean, honestly I was, I was in one of my co-workers 912 00:44:11,211 --> 00:44:14,518 weddings a A co-worker was in my wedding Like it was just like a 913 00:44:14,518 --> 00:44:14,858 fun time. 914 00:44:14,858 --> 00:44:17,744 But I'm going to say what you said. 915 00:44:17,744 --> 00:44:21,974 You stole my answer, warren, because I was going to say that 916 00:44:22,094 --> 00:44:35,251 I think also I'm currently in the good old days, like you know 917 00:44:35,251 --> 00:44:35,251 . 918 00:44:35,251 --> 00:44:36,554 I'm just kind of thinking this is the first time in a very long 919 00:44:36,554 --> 00:44:37,896 time where I feel like I'm working on things that I find to 920 00:44:37,896 --> 00:44:40,081 be super fun and what I wanted to do, and I'm doing things that 921 00:44:40,081 --> 00:44:44,112 are impactful and I am getting not credit, but people see the 922 00:44:44,132 --> 00:44:47,518 work I'm doing and acknowledge it and the recognition. 923 00:44:48,420 --> 00:44:53,054 And I don't think I've had that for a very long time and I'm 924 00:44:53,074 --> 00:44:56,682 going to like I don't want to sound like this bitter 925 00:44:57,023 --> 00:44:59,668 ex-employee, but I've been in situations where I'm going to be 926 00:44:59,668 --> 00:45:05,420 really honest, like I don't think that direct manager was my 927 00:45:05,420 --> 00:45:11,297 sponsor in rooms I wasn't in and it was like things would get 928 00:45:11,297 --> 00:45:13,762 done, but I was never given credit. 929 00:45:13,762 --> 00:45:17,019 They took the credit for being the leader, of getting it done 930 00:45:17,951 --> 00:45:22,061 and they didn't really want to take the spotlight away from 931 00:45:22,081 --> 00:45:22,722 themselves. 932 00:45:22,722 --> 00:45:26,778 Or I got into a big I mean, I got into a big argument not 933 00:45:26,878 --> 00:45:30,813 argument like that was dramatic, but I kind of like was very 934 00:45:30,934 --> 00:45:34,101 carefully trying to take something out of an old 935 00:45:34,141 --> 00:45:37,197 manager's hand and he basically just shut it down. 936 00:45:37,197 --> 00:45:39,376 He goes I know what you're doing and I'm never going to 937 00:45:39,416 --> 00:45:39,978 give this up. 938 00:45:39,978 --> 00:45:44,492 And I'm like, ok, like Sit people in a room for two hours 939 00:45:44,552 --> 00:45:45,333 and listen to them. 940 00:45:45,333 --> 00:45:50,021 Like have them just watch a video of you talk for two hours 941 00:45:50,101 --> 00:45:52,204 because you're the leadership expert. 942 00:45:52,610 --> 00:45:54,023 Like, oh, like why am I here? 943 00:45:54,023 --> 00:45:54,971 I don't know. 944 00:45:54,971 --> 00:45:58,099 Anyway, it's just like stuff like that where I don't know. 945 00:45:58,099 --> 00:46:02,998 I'm just in a really good place right now and I like I trust my 946 00:46:02,998 --> 00:46:03,420 boss. 947 00:46:03,420 --> 00:46:04,422 She's amazing. 948 00:46:04,422 --> 00:46:05,465 My manager is amazing. 949 00:46:05,465 --> 00:46:08,130 I work with very smart people. 950 00:46:08,130 --> 00:46:13,356 I would say like I also need to be the person like I need. 951 00:46:13,356 --> 00:46:17,382 I'm also one of those people that if I see someone doing 952 00:46:17,442 --> 00:46:20,606 something that's like less than mediocre, it will drive me 953 00:46:20,686 --> 00:46:23,795 insane and I can say like this is the first time in a while 954 00:46:24,617 --> 00:46:26,661 where I am working with equally brilliant people. 955 00:46:26,661 --> 00:46:27,342 Nice. 956 00:46:27,469 --> 00:46:29,577 And yeah, it just feels good, I'm in a good place. 957 00:46:31,050 --> 00:46:33,530 Warren: No, that is absolutely important. 958 00:46:33,530 --> 00:46:38,512 You know, one of the places I've worked, even though I was 959 00:46:38,632 --> 00:46:44,534 earlier in my career, I felt that I was the star on the team 960 00:46:44,833 --> 00:46:47,275 and you know I shouldn't have been a star. 961 00:46:47,275 --> 00:46:48,755 I was too early. 962 00:46:48,755 --> 00:46:50,675 I knew at that time I'm too. 963 00:46:50,675 --> 00:46:53,317 Why am I feeling this way? 964 00:46:53,317 --> 00:46:57,077 It's just other people were doing the bare minimum and you 965 00:46:57,097 --> 00:46:59,818 know, mistakes were accepted and even laughed at. 966 00:46:59,818 --> 00:47:03,818 Okay, well, I don't like that. 967 00:47:03,818 --> 00:47:08,981 And part of my history and experience. 968 00:47:08,981 --> 00:47:13,561 I really, once again, I'm not trying to be sappy or anything. 969 00:47:13,561 --> 00:47:19,164 I'm trying to be the manager to my two employees that I always 970 00:47:19,224 --> 00:47:22,965 wanted for myself and I feel I can do some. 971 00:47:23,364 --> 00:47:26,646 You know we have a recruiter I recruited for over 10 years. 972 00:47:26,646 --> 00:47:29,827 I've got that and I know recruiting's changed and evolved 973 00:47:29,827 --> 00:47:30,527 and things like that. 974 00:47:30,527 --> 00:47:33,527 I like working with her and getting her thoughts and ideas 975 00:47:33,668 --> 00:47:36,989 and she does a seminar and as soon as she does a seminar, it's 976 00:47:36,989 --> 00:47:37,168 over. 977 00:47:37,168 --> 00:47:44,434 I'm like, oh, tell me about it, I want to hear and things like 978 00:47:44,474 --> 00:47:44,554 that. 979 00:47:44,554 --> 00:47:45,858 And another thing, not to toot my own horn or anything on 980 00:47:45,878 --> 00:47:48,327 Mondays we have a corporate meeting of all the corporate 981 00:47:48,407 --> 00:47:51,873 department heads, so you have IT and contracts and all the 982 00:47:52,233 --> 00:47:56,677 accounting et cetera all there, and my recruiter one of the VPs 983 00:47:57,217 --> 00:48:02,382 sent me a very nice email about how my recruiter was doing an 984 00:48:02,483 --> 00:48:05,945 excellent job helping him fill these urgent positions and 985 00:48:06,005 --> 00:48:06,527 things like that. 986 00:48:08,748 --> 00:48:13,753 This VP sent a beautiful email about our recruiter and I wanted 987 00:48:13,753 --> 00:48:17,398 to share that with everybody here to say you know, let 988 00:48:17,577 --> 00:48:20,961 everybody know that she's getting recognized so they can 989 00:48:21,021 --> 00:48:23,945 recognize her, and I think that also develops the trust. 990 00:48:23,945 --> 00:48:27,193 When they need a job field, they know that they can. 991 00:48:27,193 --> 00:48:29,119 You know that builds the trust. 992 00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:30,896 Okay, I can have confidence in her. 993 00:48:30,896 --> 00:48:35,351 She's knocking it out of the park for this division, this VP, 994 00:48:35,351 --> 00:48:39,884 so they should have the same expectations when they have an 995 00:48:39,965 --> 00:48:40,927 opening and things like that. 996 00:48:40,927 --> 00:48:43,134 I think that's important. 997 00:48:43,134 --> 00:48:47,804 I don't know I've been unrecognized, I've been sort of 998 00:48:48,789 --> 00:48:51,775 I don't know what the right word is I've never been in bad. 999 00:48:51,775 --> 00:48:53,219 I've worked with bad people. 1000 00:48:53,219 --> 00:48:55,643 I've never been in a bad environment or bad. 1001 00:48:55,643 --> 00:48:58,476 I don't know what the right word is, but yeah, it's. 1002 00:48:59,639 --> 00:48:59,780 Andew Quilpa: Yeah. 1003 00:49:00,990 --> 00:49:04,619 CeeCee: I will say if I've told the story before, you can stop 1004 00:49:04,659 --> 00:49:05,541 me and edit this out. 1005 00:49:05,541 --> 00:49:14,380 So I worked with an individual who was very much highly praised 1006 00:49:14,380 --> 00:49:20,313 for doing very like basic things and not and I don't mean 1007 00:49:20,353 --> 00:49:24,425 to be rude, I'm I'm meaning this in a way of like there was 1008 00:49:24,606 --> 00:49:30,239 nothing at the company, so a basic of something was better 1009 00:49:30,358 --> 00:49:33,105 than what there was, which sometimes that's awesome. 1010 00:49:33,105 --> 00:49:37,293 But this person kept getting praised and praised and praised 1011 00:49:37,333 --> 00:49:42,264 and praised and they like got a trip to the President's Club, 1012 00:49:42,349 --> 00:49:45,797 they got to go to Hawaii on the company dime for like, literally 1013 00:49:45,797 --> 00:49:50,713 like just do your job just do their job, and not only that, 1014 00:49:50,733 --> 00:49:55,422 but doing work that I personally did earlier in my career like 1015 00:49:55,603 --> 00:49:56,891 that caliber of work. 1016 00:49:57,632 --> 00:50:02,681 so there is a piece of me that's like listen, kudos to what has 1017 00:50:02,722 --> 00:50:06,713 been created, but is it really like a trip to hawaii worth 1018 00:50:06,773 --> 00:50:07,054 right? 1019 00:50:07,094 --> 00:50:11,639 yeah but anyway, not my, not my rodeo, like you know. 1020 00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:13,822 Whatever, we're just gonna let them do their thing. 1021 00:50:13,822 --> 00:50:18,253 And I would get a little frustrated. 1022 00:50:18,253 --> 00:50:18,632 I get. 1023 00:50:18,632 --> 00:50:22,742 I get frustrated when people always say I'm so busy, I'm so 1024 00:50:22,782 --> 00:50:26,362 busy, I'm so busy oh, my hair is on fire like I'm just so busy 1025 00:50:26,403 --> 00:50:28,771 doing all of the things, all of the things busy all the time. 1026 00:50:28,771 --> 00:50:31,360 And it just like just shut up and do your work like I don't 1027 00:50:31,380 --> 00:50:31,760 need to hear it. 1028 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,800 But anyway, this was this person's MO, just constantly 1029 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:36,362 being busy. 1030 00:50:36,769 --> 00:50:40,364 And I do remember like I worked on a project with them close to 1031 00:50:40,385 --> 00:50:43,916 me leaving the organization, and one of the things was like, oh, 1032 00:50:43,916 --> 00:50:46,101 we need to do this every year, because every year it needs to 1033 00:50:46,121 --> 00:50:46,503 be done. 1034 00:50:46,503 --> 00:50:50,213 But whatever, and I'm like, well, if we took the moment to 1035 00:50:50,253 --> 00:50:54,820 do it right and make it good and right I don't want to say too 1036 00:50:54,860 --> 00:50:57,545 much because of people, but like , let's say, we're creating a 1037 00:50:57,585 --> 00:50:57,945 training. 1038 00:50:57,945 --> 00:51:00,871 I was like, oh, like we do this training every year, people 1039 00:51:00,911 --> 00:51:02,034 always complain about it. 1040 00:51:02,034 --> 00:51:02,777 No one ever will. 1041 00:51:02,777 --> 00:51:05,737 I'm like, let's do it, let's do it right and put some time and 1042 00:51:05,757 --> 00:51:07,610 effort into it, and then we won't have to do it over and 1043 00:51:07,690 --> 00:51:08,090 over and over. 1044 00:51:08,692 --> 00:51:11,474 So I got put on a project with this person and this person 1045 00:51:11,514 --> 00:51:17,699 literally was like we worked through it and they said they 1046 00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,842 started going to the story about a Rice Krispie Treats 1047 00:51:19,882 --> 00:51:23,125 commercial and I remember, like there's this Rice Krispie Treats 1048 00:51:23,125 --> 00:51:25,507 commercial and I know exactly what they were talking about. 1049 00:51:25,507 --> 00:51:30,295 They were talking about this commercial from the 90s or early 1050 00:51:30,295 --> 00:51:32,789 2000s and the mom, like is just overwhelmed with life and she 1051 00:51:32,728 --> 00:51:33,804 was making her family a dessert. 1052 00:51:33,804 --> 00:51:34,496 And she was just like is just overwhelmed with life and she 1053 00:51:34,434 --> 00:51:34,971 was making her family a dessert. 1054 00:51:34,971 --> 00:51:37,559 And she was just like, oh my God, like leave me alone, I'm 1055 00:51:37,579 --> 00:51:39,896 going to close the door, I'm cooking dessert. 1056 00:51:39,896 --> 00:51:44,275 And she opens up a box of the pre-made Rice Krispie Treats in 1057 00:51:44,295 --> 00:51:47,880 the wrappers and like unwraps them and places them on a plate 1058 00:51:48,402 --> 00:51:51,414 and uses that time for like self-care, like I'm going to 1059 00:51:51,454 --> 00:51:52,963 read a book and a magazine. 1060 00:51:52,963 --> 00:51:55,436 But then, like before she brought the plate out to her 1061 00:51:55,496 --> 00:51:58,409 family, she's like threw flour on her face and like messed her 1062 00:51:58,489 --> 00:51:58,931 hair up. 1063 00:51:58,931 --> 00:52:02,739 Like oh mommy, mommy just made like slaved over. 1064 00:52:02,739 --> 00:52:05,023 And she said that's what this is. 1065 00:52:05,023 --> 00:52:07,655 And I said, excuse me, she goes . 1066 00:52:08,177 --> 00:52:11,023 No matter what we do, we need to make it look like we did a lot, 1067 00:52:11,023 --> 00:52:14,811 what we do. 1068 00:52:14,811 --> 00:52:15,932 We need to make it look like we did a lot. 1069 00:52:15,932 --> 00:52:16,914 And I was like I'm done. 1070 00:52:16,914 --> 00:52:18,637 I'm done If this is the person who gets trips to Hawaii, who 1071 00:52:18,697 --> 00:52:23,811 gets promoted, who gets stupid accolades for doing very 1072 00:52:23,871 --> 00:52:24,833 remedial work. 1073 00:52:24,833 --> 00:52:28,581 I'm out Like I cannot do this. 1074 00:52:28,581 --> 00:52:31,572 And it's like in that moment she they told me what their game 1075 00:52:31,572 --> 00:52:35,121 was and I was and I saw that person in a very different light 1076 00:52:35,121 --> 00:52:35,121 . 1077 00:52:35,121 --> 00:52:41,083 I was like okay, so we're being a little manipulative and lazy. 1078 00:52:41,083 --> 00:52:45,518 And I also saw like the organization as just being like 1079 00:52:45,798 --> 00:52:47,764 this is the behavior we want to celebrate. 1080 00:52:47,764 --> 00:52:52,081 And I was like I actually do take pride in my work. 1081 00:52:52,081 --> 00:52:56,672 I put a lot of effort, I think strategically, I do all of the 1082 00:52:56,733 --> 00:53:00,838 things and I wasn't promoted in three years and I left. 1083 00:53:00,858 --> 00:53:02,902 Warren: Yeah. 1084 00:53:03,931 --> 00:53:07,117 CeeCee: And so, anyway, I have an inside joke with a former 1085 00:53:07,137 --> 00:53:11,353 co-worker of mine, who we know, this individual, and the joke is 1086 00:53:11,353 --> 00:53:15,371 we make soufflés, we don't make Rice Krispie Treat and like 1087 00:53:15,472 --> 00:53:19,001 just to you know, we we're, we make souffles. 1088 00:53:22,251 --> 00:53:24,851 Warren: I've I've worked with people like that as well, and 1089 00:53:25,052 --> 00:53:25,956 it's it's annoying. 1090 00:53:26,030 --> 00:53:31,402 CeeCee: The balls to tell someone like hey, like the balls 1091 00:53:31,402 --> 00:53:34,092 to say it, I was just a little pissed like the balls to say it. 1092 00:53:34,112 --> 00:53:35,373 Warren: I was just a little pissed, well. 1093 00:53:35,373 --> 00:53:38,842 Well, I'm glad we're ending the show on a jaded note because 1094 00:53:38,862 --> 00:53:41,534 this has been so unjaded overall . 1095 00:53:41,534 --> 00:53:46,242 But, like I said, we're both in the the good times now, so it's 1096 00:53:46,242 --> 00:53:49,635 hard to be terribly jaded jaded with that. 1097 00:53:49,635 --> 00:53:52,358 So, yeah, anyways, let's here. 1098 00:53:52,358 --> 00:53:55,744 We did our thank yous already, so just want to wrap things up. 1099 00:53:55,744 --> 00:53:57,434 Please listen, send reviews. 1100 00:53:57,434 --> 00:54:01,728 I discovered recently that we have reviews on Spotify and 1101 00:54:01,929 --> 00:54:03,273 unfortunately they only give us ours. 1102 00:54:03,273 --> 00:54:06,561 But we got like a 4.5 or something rating on Spotify, so 1103 00:54:06,581 --> 00:54:07,081 keep that up. 1104 00:54:07,851 --> 00:54:09,737 CeeCee: Oh no, no, it's a 4.6. 1105 00:54:09,737 --> 00:54:10,358 Don't short sell us. 1106 00:54:10,889 --> 00:54:14,498 Warren: Okay, not going to decline on us and things like 1107 00:54:14,539 --> 00:54:14,679 that. 1108 00:54:14,679 --> 00:54:18,557 So keep those up, leave them on review on Apple and we will 1109 00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:21,335 read them on the air, but, as always, morn. 1110 00:54:23,610 --> 00:54:26,380 CeeCee: Butterscotch Penelope Tulip Pants. 1111 00:54:26,380 --> 00:54:29,155 That was your weird thing. 1112 00:54:29,155 --> 00:54:30,918 If you listened all the way to the end, that's what you heard. 1113 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:31,981 Andew Quilpa: I don't know who lost. 1114 00:54:31,981 --> 00:54:34,027 Weird thing If you listened all the way to the end, that's what 1115 00:54:34,027 --> 00:54:34,228 you heard. 1116 00:54:34,228 --> 00:54:33,449 I mean, I didn't lose a lot. 1117 00:54:35,090 --> 00:54:38,195 Warren: And we're both here helping you survive each of our 1118 00:54:38,215 --> 00:54:40,715 one what-the-fuck moments at a time. 1119 00:54:40,715 --> 00:54:41,960 Bye.