WEBVTT 00:00:02.063 --> 00:00:09.875 Had you actually read the email, you would know that the podcast you are about to listen to could contain explicit language and offensive content. 00:00:09.875 --> 00:00:16.519 These HR experts' views are not representative of their past, present or future employers. 00:00:16.519 --> 00:00:19.746 If you have ever heard my manager is unfair to me. 00:00:19.746 --> 00:00:26.609 I need you to reset my HR portal password, or Can I write up my employee for crying too much? 00:00:26.609 --> 00:00:28.925 Welcome to our little safe zone. 00:00:28.925 --> 00:00:31.231 Welcome to Jaded HR. 00:00:43.981 --> 00:00:51.343 Welcome to Jaded HR, the podcast by two HR professionals who want to help you get through the workday by saying everything you're thinking, but say it out loud. 00:00:51.343 --> 00:00:52.125 I'm Warren. 00:00:53.128 --> 00:00:53.768 I'm Cece. 00:00:54.451 --> 00:00:56.585 Yay, we're just talking. 00:00:56.585 --> 00:01:00.750 It feels like it's been forever, but it's been our regular two weeks. 00:01:00.750 --> 00:01:11.631 I don't know why, it feels, like it's been so long since we last talked, but just so much going on in work in the world and everything else like that. 00:01:11.631 --> 00:01:13.763 It's just like and here we are. 00:01:13.763 --> 00:01:16.087 We're recording this on August 12th. 00:01:16.087 --> 00:01:17.792 It's the middle of August. 00:01:17.792 --> 00:01:19.742 The summer is pretty much done. 00:01:20.263 --> 00:01:20.963 I don't like it. 00:01:21.185 --> 00:01:23.649 I don't like it. 00:01:23.688 --> 00:01:30.409 I was telling Warren off air that my company does fiscal calendars and my manager reminded me yesterday. 00:01:30.409 --> 00:01:39.266 She's like oh yeah, some mid-year reviews are in September and I'm like September is a million years away and I was like, oh no, it's next month, so I got to get on it. 00:01:39.746 --> 00:01:53.923 Yeah, yeah, it's just so crazy how much time is flying in my just not keeping up with what the date is. 00:01:53.923 --> 00:01:59.870 We're having our financial advisors are coming to the office actually this Thursday and I forgot it was this Thursday and they were booking. 00:01:59.870 --> 00:02:04.195 You know you could do, through signupgeniuscom, a slot to go meet with them individually. 00:02:04.195 --> 00:02:06.347 They'll talk to you individually, no cost. 00:02:06.347 --> 00:02:08.287 We do that at least once a year. 00:02:08.287 --> 00:02:11.650 But the financial advisor you call them, they'll talk your ear off any, any day. 00:02:11.650 --> 00:02:24.182 But just Monday our slots filled up and somebody asked for more slots and it was like, oh yeah, I was thinking that we're having it on the 14th, the day this podcast launches, and I'm like, oh, that's so far away. 00:02:24.182 --> 00:02:29.788 And then, as I'm sending the email, I'm like, oh, that's this upcoming Thursday. 00:02:29.788 --> 00:02:34.812 And I'm like, sorry for the short notice, but can you add us a few more slots in these appointments? 00:02:34.812 --> 00:02:37.555 We have more people that want to participate in that. 00:02:37.555 --> 00:02:38.275 And they did. 00:02:38.275 --> 00:02:38.776 They were great. 00:02:38.776 --> 00:02:39.877 It's just wow. 00:02:43.265 --> 00:02:43.848 Time is crazy. 00:02:43.848 --> 00:02:44.600 That's crazy, I know. 00:02:44.600 --> 00:02:45.604 I'm just like. 00:02:45.604 --> 00:02:48.611 I just feel like this year has flown by so quickly. 00:02:48.611 --> 00:02:53.252 We're like close to 2026 and I'm very unsettled by that. 00:02:53.252 --> 00:02:53.901 Oh, why? 00:02:53.983 --> 00:02:54.907 Why would you be unsettled? 00:02:56.060 --> 00:02:57.366 It's just going so fast. 00:02:57.366 --> 00:02:59.098 Oh okay, it's going so fast. 00:02:59.540 --> 00:03:01.324 Bad happening in 2026. 00:03:01.324 --> 00:03:07.264 I put something on my personal calendar besides a doctor's appointment on in January of 26 already. 00:03:07.264 --> 00:03:09.729 I'm like it's crazy, Crazy. 00:03:10.570 --> 00:03:13.504 So I don't know about you, but this week I have appointment. 00:03:13.504 --> 00:03:15.330 I have an appointment every day this week. 00:03:15.330 --> 00:03:25.954 It's like either doctor's appointment for me, I have a checkup for the baby, and the cat has to go back for a recheck, because my, our cat was in the. 00:03:25.954 --> 00:03:27.580 My gosh, I didn't happen last week. 00:03:27.580 --> 00:03:36.169 Our cat was sick and we had to take her to the the vet, and she stayed overnight and that cost us like a thousand dollars and she ended up having a uti and oh my god. 00:03:36.169 --> 00:03:41.508 But anyway, like that's part of owning an animal, though, yes, what are you gonna do? 00:03:41.508 --> 00:03:50.223 But yeah, so like this week I'm just back to back to back, like trying to juggle work meetings, but then also like trying to sneak out of the house for a doctor's appointment. 00:03:50.223 --> 00:03:51.026 Trying, it's just. 00:03:51.026 --> 00:03:52.552 It's just a long weekend. 00:03:53.155 --> 00:04:12.596 Thankfully we don't have anything this weekend, so I like just want to sit in front of the cat, in front of the tv and veg on the couch I'm still waiting for that weekend for myself, but I I don't have that's not my this week is appointments, but September sometime I have a dentist appointment, a follow-up for my surgery appointment, and things like that. 00:04:12.596 --> 00:04:16.550 I'm just thinking how crazy everything is. 00:04:16.550 --> 00:04:19.749 And I'm actually going to go see my dermatologist again. 00:04:19.749 --> 00:04:20.209 Is why not? 00:04:20.209 --> 00:04:23.557 I've met my deductible and out-of-pocket max, so hey, let's go. 00:04:23.557 --> 00:04:24.040 Might as well go. 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:25.485 Let's go to the dermatologist. 00:04:25.485 --> 00:04:27.146 I'm trying to get that appointment. 00:04:27.146 --> 00:04:32.331 She's so booked up though I'm basically going to be on the wait list for cancellation. 00:04:34.663 --> 00:04:36.749 But yeah, it's crazy out there. 00:04:37.730 --> 00:05:01.819 Crazy Other than that my podcast for work launched, oh yes, so that was exciting I'm doing for those who don't know I'm doing, I'm an L&D, so I work on the L&OD team, which is learning and org development, and we launched a podcast because my company is very into the use of generative AI and believes it is a skill that everyone should be well-versed in, no matter what role that you're in. 00:05:02.379 --> 00:05:26.601 So I'm doing a podcast on the best, like how to use it, and you know, every podcast my different guests is someone from the organization who's either a super user or, like you know, the chief CH I'm sorry, the chief, the head of IT, or who else like someone from council, but it's interesting conversations and we've never used that medium of you know learning and it's really well received. 00:05:26.601 --> 00:05:33.927 So, if no one has done it yet, I think it's a really good delivery method for learning, especially HR business partner. 00:05:33.927 --> 00:06:00.088 And she said she listened to my work podcast and then she was like it was very different from you know, and I started laughing because I was just like, yeah, I could imagine me showing to that podcast like I talk on here, like that would last for like two seconds. 00:06:01.019 --> 00:06:02.406 No F-bombs in the work. 00:06:02.406 --> 00:06:04.730 One Come on, we've got to spice that up. 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:05.706 No F-bombs in the work. 00:06:05.706 --> 00:06:07.156 One, come on, we've got to spice that up. 00:06:07.418 --> 00:06:13.350 No F-bombs, oh man, so yeah, but that's really cool. 00:06:13.350 --> 00:06:21.675 I really admire when companies do things like yours, are doing that to further engage and meet the people where they are. 00:06:21.675 --> 00:06:34.225 And if they're because as I walk around our office, I would say more than half of the people have their earbuds in and many of them are listening to podcasts as I ask, hey, what you listening to? 00:06:34.225 --> 00:06:36.011 You know, I'm just curious what you're listening to. 00:06:36.011 --> 00:06:41.411 And there's like all sorts of podcasts that mainly, it seems, podcasts they're listening to. 00:06:41.411 --> 00:06:50.091 But they're listening to all sorts of the stuff and it's and they're multitasking, I mean it's, it's more probably noise in the background. 00:06:50.091 --> 00:06:51.702 They're still getting their work done. 00:06:51.702 --> 00:06:54.870 Just like I mentioned, I have Food Network on at home. 00:06:54.870 --> 00:06:56.744 Is my noise TV, my wife's? 00:06:57.324 --> 00:06:57.545 is. 00:06:57.586 --> 00:06:58.267 Investigation. 00:06:58.267 --> 00:07:00.452 Discovery Channel is her white noise. 00:07:00.473 --> 00:07:00.913 I'm Gilmore. 00:07:00.934 --> 00:07:04.848 Girls, gilmore Girls, oh gosh. 00:07:04.848 --> 00:07:08.081 Aren't they bringing that back, or is there going to be? 00:07:08.081 --> 00:07:13.576 Like a special reunion or something along like that I think I saw on social media. 00:07:13.576 --> 00:07:13.858 I don't. 00:07:14.100 --> 00:07:15.646 This is just me being on my soapbox. 00:07:15.646 --> 00:07:18.910 Sometimes stories just need to end and we need to be okay with that. 00:07:18.910 --> 00:07:22.860 So I know they did the reboot in like 2016. 00:07:22.860 --> 00:07:23.944 It was great. 00:07:23.944 --> 00:07:24.827 I enjoyed it. 00:07:24.827 --> 00:07:26.581 We do not need another reboot. 00:07:26.581 --> 00:07:42.653 If anyone from the Amy Sherman Palladino camp is listening to this, I would be interested in an Emily Gilmore prequel series where we like focus on Emily when she meets Richard and all that that I might be interested in, but we're done with the story. 00:07:42.653 --> 00:07:43.795 Let it lie. 00:07:43.795 --> 00:07:48.627 We don't have to reboot everything and that is off my soapbox. 00:07:49.259 --> 00:07:50.487 Well, rebooting. 00:07:50.487 --> 00:07:59.071 You know how many times now have they rebooted Dexter and I'm actually, I will say this current Dexter resurrection I'm enjoying. 00:07:59.071 --> 00:08:05.670 For the most part it's better than the beginnings one, the origin one, when he was a kid. 00:08:05.670 --> 00:08:11.028 And so I'm enjoying it, but it's yeah, it's something else. 00:08:11.028 --> 00:08:11.410 Let's see. 00:08:11.410 --> 00:08:23.194 One thing I want to try and do going forward is get our thank yous early on, because so our Patreon supporters may not make it. 00:08:23.194 --> 00:08:31.928 You know, like 80% of our listeners make it through like 85% of the podcasts, and I think when they start hearing us wind it down. 00:08:32.048 --> 00:08:34.427 people are okay, Next click and things like that. 00:08:34.427 --> 00:08:42.226 So I want to put the shout outs to Hallie, the original Jaded HR rock star Michael and Bill for supporting us on Patreon. 00:08:42.226 --> 00:08:43.865 You can, too, just follow the show notes. 00:08:43.865 --> 00:08:45.725 It's very much appreciated. 00:08:45.725 --> 00:08:53.909 And also our thank you to the Underschool Orchestra for use of the theme song Devil the Devil and Andrew Kolpa who does the intro. 00:08:53.909 --> 00:09:02.590 So yeah, get those out of the way so people can get their recognition early on, before everybody starts hanging up on us. 00:09:02.759 --> 00:09:08.005 I'm going to start saying one crazy thing at the end of every episode, and you'll just have to listen to the end to hear it. 00:09:08.005 --> 00:09:09.330 And it could be anything, who knows? 00:09:09.659 --> 00:09:11.605 Now one podcast I listen to. 00:09:11.605 --> 00:09:12.951 It's one of my favorite podcasts. 00:09:12.951 --> 00:09:20.143 They end their official episode and then there's this like tone and then they go on the host they're talking about. 00:09:20.143 --> 00:09:21.528 It can be anything. 00:09:21.528 --> 00:09:34.849 We've talked about the Italian restaurant, they someone went to last week and they just it's, it's pretty good, sometimes it's related, sometimes it's just anything they talked about and it's like another five, ten minutes. 00:09:34.849 --> 00:09:39.341 I'd like that as well, but gosh, I was gonna say something else based on what you said. 00:09:39.341 --> 00:09:42.004 I forget squirrel, but anyways squirrel. 00:09:42.004 --> 00:09:42.945 Well, squirrel, but anyways Squirrel. 00:09:42.945 --> 00:09:43.125 That one. 00:09:43.125 --> 00:09:56.186 Well, I found two stories to discuss Disgust, disgust, oh, yes, anyways To discuss. 00:09:56.186 --> 00:10:05.388 The first one is from a site called she Knows and the author is Alice Kelly and this is from July 31st. 00:10:05.388 --> 00:10:11.370 And we've said any number of times you don't work in HR until you've dealt with poop. 00:10:14.881 --> 00:10:17.490 I know HR Besties says something about that Poop and porn. 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:18.422 I think it was Jamie on HR. 00:10:18.442 --> 00:10:20.610 Besties has a poop story. 00:10:22.143 --> 00:10:26.759 If you're in HR and you don't have a poop story, you haven't earned your badges yet. 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:27.139 That's true. 00:10:27.900 --> 00:10:37.192 By the way, really quick shout out to Jamie on the HR Besties, because if anyone hasn't heard or listened, first of all, they're fantastic, you should listen to them. 00:10:37.192 --> 00:10:43.152 Second of all, she has the most insane layoff story that I have ever heard. 00:10:43.152 --> 00:10:55.120 She's been laid off, she's looking for a new role, but it is a story of bad HR doing bad HR and there are bad actors out there and it makes me sad. 00:10:55.120 --> 00:11:01.274 But you know, if you, if you know of any really good HR roles, send them to HR Bestie Jamie. 00:11:01.779 --> 00:11:16.765 Yeah, you know I'm a couple of weeks behind on my podcast right now, but I did see on social media a clip of them talking about what had happened and it's mainly Leah and Jamie doing the talking in that clip. 00:11:16.765 --> 00:11:25.913 I was like really, but it's bad HR like that that gives the true HR professionals who are out there busting their butt and working hard. 00:11:25.913 --> 00:11:38.591 They're the ones who give it a bad name and especially spoiler alert or whatever you want to say if you're lying and falsifying, creating falsified documents or whatever you want to say to that. 00:11:38.591 --> 00:11:41.249 I was watching that clip. 00:11:41.249 --> 00:11:42.980 It must have been on Instagram or something. 00:11:42.980 --> 00:11:50.475 My jaw was just dropped like really, you know really yeah. 00:11:50.515 --> 00:11:52.480 So if you haven't checked them out, go check them out. 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:54.986 She'll give you the whole story yeah, but here's the deal. 00:11:54.986 --> 00:11:59.230 If you check out their podcast and you like it, you still have to come back and still listen to our podcast. 00:11:59.350 --> 00:12:01.480 Yes, yes, absolutely, absolutely. 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:17.231 And that's one thing I like about the podcast universe, because there's so many podcasts out there and I don't think you necessarily compete with other podcasts in which I went through my list and I unsubscribed from some podcasts. 00:12:17.231 --> 00:12:29.817 Now some of them are like the Hustle Work Environment podcast, which hasn't released an episode since 2022. 00:12:29.817 --> 00:12:36.727 And I guess Corporate Pizza Party hasn't released an episode in like six months and I took those off my list. 00:12:36.727 --> 00:12:39.909 I'll keep my eyes open to see if they do put anything else out. 00:12:39.909 --> 00:12:43.129 But a couple of others I've been adding them. 00:12:43.129 --> 00:12:47.426 I added your Stupid Op stupid opinion based on your recommendation right yeah, it's. 00:12:47.647 --> 00:12:48.450 It's quite funny. 00:12:48.450 --> 00:12:52.682 Now I know they've done some stories of locations in cincinnati. 00:12:52.682 --> 00:12:57.332 I'm waiting for them to do for us a location of somewhere I might be familiar with. 00:12:57.332 --> 00:13:00.852 They haven't done that quite yet, so I live okay. 00:13:00.873 --> 00:13:44.662 So for those of you who don't know, your stupid opinion is a podcast which is just that they read stupid opinions that people leave on reviews and I think it speaks to my love of and this is going to come off very jaded, but I used to run the what is it, the annual engagement surveys, and some of my favorite things was to go through the comment because A there's a lot of good stuff in there and there's also a lot of very unhinged things in there and people will say the most ridiculous stuff in there and it's confidential and we can't see who's leaving what comments, but it's a hoot just seeing what some people just leave uncensored. 00:13:45.163 --> 00:13:53.081 So if you're someone who loves a good engagement survey and loves reading comments on surveys, you should also go listen to that podcast. 00:13:53.081 --> 00:13:59.374 But I do live six minutes away from episode one where they talk about the worst Wendy's. 00:13:59.374 --> 00:14:00.903 It's right down the street. 00:14:00.903 --> 00:14:03.192 Oh, wow, yeah, anyway, it's right down the street. 00:14:03.211 --> 00:14:03.533 Oh, wow, yeah I. 00:14:03.913 --> 00:14:04.174 Anyway. 00:14:05.217 --> 00:14:10.211 I like it, and then their adult toy or whatever product that they do every week. 00:14:10.259 --> 00:14:11.279 The personal item of the week. 00:14:11.299 --> 00:14:12.344 Personal item of the week. 00:14:12.344 --> 00:14:13.128 Oh my gosh. 00:14:14.500 --> 00:14:24.633 There's been some where I'm like yeah, exactly none of this sounds enjoyable for anybody is that's an actual product and and a lot of them they're getting on amazon. 00:14:24.633 --> 00:14:31.292 They're not like going to some I know crazy snm online shop or something like that. 00:14:31.292 --> 00:14:35.038 They're, it's just amazon and I'm like, oh lordy. 00:14:35.038 --> 00:14:39.894 But yeah, sometimes I get bored is the only downside about that podcast. 00:14:39.894 --> 00:14:41.638 They go awfully long, like we do. 00:14:41.638 --> 00:14:48.433 They're starting to read so many comments and so I sort of yeah, okay, I got the gist of this place. 00:14:48.433 --> 00:14:54.929 Let's get to the personal item of the week, just to make myself cringe a little. 00:14:54.970 --> 00:14:58.677 So anyhow, Anyway, I'm sorry I derailed you. 00:14:58.758 --> 00:15:05.313 Oh no, no it was a great derailment, but anyways, Gwyneth Paltrow, she owns that company Goop. 00:15:05.313 --> 00:15:11.072 Ah yes, the poop, and that's notorious for some of their very special fragrances. 00:15:11.914 --> 00:15:12.375 Yes, yes, yes. 00:15:12.924 --> 00:15:15.835 Of their candles and such, but we won't get into that here. 00:15:15.835 --> 00:15:18.792 That can be saved for their personal item of the week. 00:15:18.792 --> 00:15:33.317 This article from she Knows apparently Goop has some potty problems at Goop and so apparently Gwyneth Paltrow sent an email to the entire staff. 00:15:33.317 --> 00:15:36.955 It says, quote found pee on a toilet seat at the office. 00:15:36.955 --> 00:15:38.730 Someone tinkled. 00:15:38.730 --> 00:15:40.631 Make sure to clean up after yourself. 00:15:40.631 --> 00:15:41.710 I'd appreciate it. 00:15:41.710 --> 00:15:50.207 And I'm just like yeah, that, oh, that was not an email, that was on the company's Slack channel, anyways. 00:15:50.427 --> 00:15:54.357 Was it from Gwyneth or was it from corporate communications that I need to know? 00:15:54.357 --> 00:16:06.113 We have our internal Slack, we have Slack and I'm just laughing because, like only certain people can do the all team channel and that's like corporate communications and stuff. 00:16:06.113 --> 00:16:09.802 But I'm like I'm wondering did it come from Gwyneth? 00:16:09.802 --> 00:16:12.092 Yes, Did it have like her name and her icon? 00:16:12.092 --> 00:16:14.934 And it was like please wipe up after your tinkles. 00:16:15.985 --> 00:16:20.990 If you tinkle and you sprinkle, be a sweetie, clean the CD Gosh anyways. 00:16:20.990 --> 00:16:24.865 But yeah, this is according to someone named Adele. 00:16:24.865 --> 00:16:51.433 She wrote a biography on working, I guess at Goop and Gwyneth Paltrow, and goes on, but anyways, she goes on to say that allegedly many who work excuse me, she goes about the behind the scenes of the company and things like allegedly many who quote work up the nerve to go into her office allegedly experience impatience of an attitude. 00:16:51.433 --> 00:16:59.865 Odell writes If an employee replied to one of her emails with thanks or on it, she'd tell them not to send those emails because they're a waste of time. 00:16:59.865 --> 00:17:05.576 So now I've heard I don't know if it was Steve Jobs or somebody else was that hate? 00:17:05.576 --> 00:17:06.826 And maybe it's no, I think it's. 00:17:06.826 --> 00:17:09.432 Bezos actually hates those emails. 00:17:09.432 --> 00:17:12.077 Yeah, I'm telling you what to do. 00:17:12.077 --> 00:17:14.050 Just get it done, don't you know? 00:17:14.050 --> 00:17:15.355 Give me okay. 00:17:15.497 --> 00:17:15.958 No, thank you. 00:17:16.138 --> 00:17:26.778 Yeah, no thank yous and things like that, but which is interesting because I will say one of like, early in my career, one of the first initiatives that like the team put out was this whole. 00:17:26.778 --> 00:17:27.319 What was it? 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:28.470 It was like these certain things. 00:17:28.470 --> 00:17:29.931 So it was like end on the fives. 00:17:29.931 --> 00:17:34.116 So you didn't like you're being handed at like five till whatever. 00:17:34.116 --> 00:17:38.115 So you gave people a chance to like go to the bathroom or something. 00:17:38.115 --> 00:17:46.510 And the other one was don't reply all and you don't need to say thanks like we got it like. 00:17:46.510 --> 00:17:50.587 So you don't have to like even reply all and say thanks or this was great, or blah, blah, blah. 00:17:50.587 --> 00:17:59.391 It was just like mail, like just we're just gonna do it right, but honestly, like I miss a nice thank you you can send me. 00:17:59.391 --> 00:18:03.257 Also, you can just confirm that you got it Like. 00:18:03.257 --> 00:18:04.278 Oh, got it On it. 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:07.892 Yeah, see, I like that. 00:18:07.892 --> 00:18:09.969 I like I don't. 00:18:09.969 --> 00:18:18.915 If my I have a whopping two employees under me and if I shoot them something to do and they don't reply, got it on it. 00:18:18.915 --> 00:18:20.660 I trust they're going to do it. 00:18:20.660 --> 00:18:24.346 So up to date, I don't have a reason not to. 00:18:24.346 --> 00:18:33.531 If situations changed and they gave me reason to say, hey, did you get that last email or something, then that'd be a thing. 00:18:33.531 --> 00:18:40.373 But I would say 99 plus percent of the time I just hey, can you knock this out for me real quick? 00:18:40.373 --> 00:18:44.270 And next thing, I know it's done before I get a thank you or anything like that. 00:18:44.270 --> 00:18:46.276 But sometimes they do. 00:18:46.276 --> 00:18:47.965 Yeah, I'll get that taken care of. 00:18:47.965 --> 00:18:49.667 Let's see here. 00:18:49.667 --> 00:19:05.679 Also in the book, odell writes, this hostile dynamic was subtle but damaging within the company and almost no one, the board included, was willing to tell her no. 00:19:05.679 --> 00:19:14.159 And that's a problem when you have people who are just too afraid to tell people no. 00:19:14.159 --> 00:19:17.632 I mean, is Gwyneth Paltrow that? 00:19:17.632 --> 00:19:19.857 I don't know. 00:19:21.348 --> 00:19:22.492 I don't know anything about her. 00:19:22.492 --> 00:19:23.556 I don't, whatever. 00:19:23.556 --> 00:19:25.732 This is just my personal perception. 00:19:25.732 --> 00:19:31.550 She seems insufferable, honestly, like she just has that. 00:19:31.550 --> 00:19:48.281 Like her and Katy Perry, they just kind of seem like women who drank too much of their own Kool-Aid and think a lot of themselves, like and that I mean just people in general women who drank too much of their own Kool-Aid and think a lot of themselves like, and that I mean just people in general like even. 00:19:48.342 --> 00:20:03.210 You know, I don't know why I said two women, but they just seem like two individuals who, like, just think very highly of themselves and I don't have patience for that in anybody, Like if you take yourself too seriously and you know your own biggest fan in a very egotistical way and assume that everyone else believes the same thing. 00:20:03.210 --> 00:20:05.336 I just don't have patience for that and that's what I feel about. 00:20:05.336 --> 00:20:06.527 I'm so sorry. 00:20:07.509 --> 00:20:11.426 No see, I don't know enough about Quinteth Paltrow. 00:20:11.426 --> 00:20:15.915 I don't either, but she doesn't seem like why would you? 00:20:15.915 --> 00:20:30.288 I'm trying to think of somebody who might intimidate me to the point of like, oh no, no, but if I'm working for you and you're hiring me to do a job, sometimes that job is to give you advice hey, let's load, let's hit the brakes here, let's rethink this, or are we sure we're doing it? 00:20:30.288 --> 00:20:33.297 This is what we want to be doing, and things like that. 00:20:33.297 --> 00:20:34.527 Or even just flat out, no. 00:20:34.527 --> 00:20:44.773 I had a long discussion about exempt versus non-exempt with a manager not that long ago, and of course, the manager wants them to be exempt. 00:20:44.773 --> 00:20:49.391 And I'm like no, and I was trying to tell them. 00:20:49.391 --> 00:20:54.531 I was giving them every opportunity to convince me and they never convinced me. 00:20:54.531 --> 00:20:58.173 I said no, this person's hourly, but they're going to be working a lot of overtime. 00:20:58.173 --> 00:20:59.376 Okay, well, they'll make a lot of overtime then. 00:20:59.376 --> 00:20:59.913 Good for them. 00:20:59.913 --> 00:21:00.481 Yeah, it's going to be working a lot of overtime. 00:21:00.481 --> 00:21:01.309 Okay, well, they'll make a lot of overtime then. 00:21:01.269 --> 00:21:04.752 Go for that, yeah, it's going to be a lot of travel involved. 00:21:04.752 --> 00:21:06.231 That's why they're going to have so much overtime. 00:21:06.231 --> 00:21:24.760 And I'm like you know you haven't convinced me and I'm not hard to convince and I like finding I'm comfortable working in some gray areas as long as I feel that my, my, I feel pretty strong. 00:21:24.760 --> 00:21:25.606 Okay, we're okay. 00:21:25.606 --> 00:21:34.656 You know it may not be absolutely perfect, but we're, we're okay and I think, being in a lot of leadership roles, you have to learn to accept some gray areas. 00:21:34.656 --> 00:21:55.577 But sometimes no is no, no means no. 00:21:55.577 --> 00:22:02.863 Sometimes I listen to weird podcasts I've never heard of before when he's on them and things like that and stuff like that. 00:22:02.863 --> 00:22:12.230 So just because he thinks differently and he does things differently and I like that, I like hearing his thoughts on things. 00:22:12.230 --> 00:22:14.076 I don't have to agree with him, I just like hearing his thoughts. 00:22:14.076 --> 00:22:18.609 Sometimes I was like dude, you're off base, but still, you know. 00:22:18.964 --> 00:22:19.609 He was my favorite on Shark Tank. 00:22:19.609 --> 00:22:19.972 Does that count? 00:22:19.972 --> 00:22:20.336 And he just still. 00:22:20.336 --> 00:22:21.545 You know he was my favorite on Shark Tank, Does that count? 00:22:21.585 --> 00:22:23.673 And he just retired from Shark Tank. 00:22:23.673 --> 00:22:25.230 He's not going to be doing it any longer. 00:22:25.230 --> 00:22:30.474 So yeah, and he's a fraternity brother of mine, but not the same college not the same mom. 00:22:30.515 --> 00:22:31.176 Yeah, you're saying. 00:22:31.526 --> 00:22:34.589 Not the same college, not the same year, I'm old but I'm not. 00:22:34.589 --> 00:22:43.825 Anyways, not going there, but anyways. 00:22:43.825 --> 00:22:44.486 So that was one story I had. 00:22:44.486 --> 00:22:54.007 The next story I had came to me from LinkedIn and the author's name is actually Warren Wang, like the WW name there, and he has 24 reasons why HR quits. 00:22:54.007 --> 00:22:58.413 So I want to go through this and hit these 24 things real quick. 00:22:58.413 --> 00:23:02.240 Get your thoughts and see if any spark any discussion there. 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:08.730 Treat HR like a department, not a partner, and I don't under you know they treat it like a. 00:23:08.730 --> 00:23:12.357 I guess you know HR should be your partner in things. 00:23:12.377 --> 00:23:13.460 I guess is what they're saying. 00:23:13.480 --> 00:23:15.664 That's what they're saying yeah, I don't know, that's not a big deal. 00:23:15.845 --> 00:23:17.065 Yeah, like I get that. 00:23:17.065 --> 00:23:19.326 I'm not your order taker, I'm here to partner with you. 00:23:19.365 --> 00:23:23.548 Yeah, yeah Boy, reject their decisions in front of employees. 00:23:23.548 --> 00:23:26.929 Now that I don't know how frequently that happens. 00:23:26.929 --> 00:23:30.471 I don't think I've ever had that happen to me personally. 00:23:30.471 --> 00:23:39.034 No, I hope most people don't have that situation. 00:23:39.034 --> 00:23:47.778 Once again, I will have discussions with my bosses and give my opinion and sometimes I get told no, and I'm like you know. 00:23:47.778 --> 00:23:54.760 I made my opinion, thought known and you're you know you can take the action based on that or not based on that. 00:23:54.760 --> 00:24:00.063 So force HR to be the bad cop without support. 00:24:00.583 --> 00:24:01.303 Oh, yeah, yeah. 00:24:06.424 --> 00:24:17.430 How many times does HR need to send an email that's directed by, or some form of communication or new policies forced by the C-suite that HR is like let's not do that, let's think of something else, let's try something else. 00:24:18.105 --> 00:24:24.818 Or even just like I don't know, like HR being the ones to always like we're, like always the scapegoats. 00:24:25.105 --> 00:24:32.173 It's always like oh, you know, we're firing people because of HR and it's like, well, no, like we don't make those decisions. 00:24:32.173 --> 00:24:36.896 So it's actually, you know, we are just kind of told what to do there. 00:24:36.896 --> 00:24:39.238 I mean, don't get me wrong, but there is probably some. 00:24:39.238 --> 00:24:41.878 If there's like a layoff or something, there's a lot of consultation. 00:24:41.878 --> 00:24:46.882 But I mean, it's not like we're walking around the halls being like you. 00:24:46.882 --> 00:24:48.462 I don't like how you look, Get out of here. 00:24:48.843 --> 00:24:49.363 Exactly. 00:24:49.423 --> 00:24:50.304 You smiled funny. 00:24:50.545 --> 00:24:55.691 Get out of here, yeah, expect HR to fix what leadership won't address. 00:24:55.691 --> 00:24:58.554 Now I have not experienced that either. 00:24:58.554 --> 00:25:04.942 I hear it so often that you know HR has got to fix the culture problem. 00:25:04.942 --> 00:25:06.611 Culture seems to be the number one thing. 00:25:06.611 --> 00:25:12.156 You see that it's not something any one individual or any one department is going to fix. 00:25:12.156 --> 00:25:13.809 It's a team effort. 00:25:13.809 --> 00:25:20.271 It is Give them the authority, but give them no authority, but expect them to lead. 00:25:20.271 --> 00:25:24.118 And so far all these have a similar theme. 00:25:24.118 --> 00:25:39.349 You know, if you want to lead, you have to give some authority to you know, whip people back in line or get them otherwise motivated to that. 00:25:39.349 --> 00:25:41.031 Never back them up and wonder why they leave. 00:25:41.031 --> 00:25:51.990 We were discussing a few episodes ago that HR in corporate world has the highest turnover rate of any corporate function and I found that hard to believe. 00:25:51.990 --> 00:25:53.704 But you know, you did the research and found it. 00:25:53.704 --> 00:25:57.194 You know good old chat GPT says that is accurate. 00:25:57.194 --> 00:26:02.945 So you know that is accurate. 00:26:02.965 --> 00:26:09.506 So you know, according to my podcast episode that aired today, the best prompt is to ask it to source itself, so you can do your due diligence and check sources because it is wrong. 00:26:09.506 --> 00:26:13.973 So I hope you didn't believe those facts at face value, Warren. 00:26:15.136 --> 00:26:16.538 They came from you, though. 00:26:16.538 --> 00:26:17.307 So I believe. 00:26:17.307 --> 00:26:27.982 Of course I believe, but I use gemini, and almost always it has links that you can follow to figure out what and look at what they're citing as their source. 00:26:27.982 --> 00:26:33.176 But anyways, once again, similar theme put them in a spotlight and then leave them to fail. 00:26:33.176 --> 00:26:42.440 Too many projects, oh, hr is going to take on whatever the situation is and then have fun with that. 00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:49.635 We're not going to support you other than here it is Reward them with more work but no recognition. 00:26:49.635 --> 00:26:52.252 But I think that's anywhere you work. 00:26:52.252 --> 00:26:53.809 I don't think that's unique to HR. 00:26:54.191 --> 00:27:02.058 Yeah, there was just a video I saw today where it was like how to burn out your high performers in the way where they're like saying Absolutely. 00:27:02.058 --> 00:27:10.107 You know your high performers are going to get things done faster and quicker, but you're just going to pile on more work and then yeah, this one. 00:27:10.209 --> 00:27:15.776 I have some thoughts on Expect magic when no real resources are provided. 00:27:17.005 --> 00:27:17.465 Hmm. 00:27:17.506 --> 00:27:32.115 So sometimes you get some nebulous marching orders of do this or find this or whatever it is, and that's all you're given and it's up to you to figure it out. 00:27:32.115 --> 00:27:52.078 You're not going to get a roadmap for every problem that comes your way and sometimes you know resources may be thin and you just have to figure things out on yourself, do things yourself, that you might not be in your comfort zone or anything, but I kind of like things like that. 00:27:52.078 --> 00:27:55.862 Just ooh, point me in a new direction and let me see. 00:27:56.382 --> 00:27:57.262 I don't know. 00:28:00.381 --> 00:28:00.722 That's me. 00:28:00.722 --> 00:28:02.028 This is another one. 00:28:02.028 --> 00:28:04.635 Treat them like office admins, not strategic thinkers. 00:28:04.635 --> 00:28:10.136 And I think this one goes back to once again hiring those people. 00:28:10.136 --> 00:28:14.073 Oh, you were so good in our customer service department, you'll be a great HR manager. 00:28:14.073 --> 00:28:20.291 You're so good in doing whatever other function administrative function You'll be a great HR person. 00:28:20.291 --> 00:28:25.576 And I think that's why they get treated like admins and such. 00:28:25.576 --> 00:28:32.213 Yeah, overload them with admin tasks and not strategic focus. 00:28:32.213 --> 00:28:33.356 The exact same thing. 00:28:33.356 --> 00:28:37.557 So his 24 reasons list is not really 24 reasons. 00:28:38.184 --> 00:28:39.811 Once again covered this one to a degree. 00:28:39.811 --> 00:28:44.489 Give them zero budget but expect world-class talent yeah, but HR is. 00:28:44.489 --> 00:28:47.757 I've never worked anywhere that HR has been over budgeted. 00:28:47.757 --> 00:28:57.880 So but I think, once again you go, if you go to any department marketing, accounting, any of them they're going to say, yeah, we, we don't have enough budget, we want more. 00:28:57.880 --> 00:28:58.686 Everybody wants more. 00:28:58.686 --> 00:29:03.018 But I think HR probably gets the shoulder into the stick on that a lot. 00:29:03.018 --> 00:29:07.714 Make them fight for basic compliance like it's a favor. 00:29:07.714 --> 00:29:14.077 You know, like I mentioned earlier that conversation I had with exempt versus non-exempt. 00:29:16.125 --> 00:29:19.471 There's like it's black and white check, like it's kind of black and white guidelines, yeah, that kind of stuff. 00:29:19.471 --> 00:29:19.894 There's six factors. 00:29:19.933 --> 00:29:22.384 You have black and white check Like it's kind of black and white guidelines, yeah, that kind of stuff. 00:29:22.625 --> 00:29:24.167 There's six factors you have to look at. 00:29:24.167 --> 00:29:26.231 No. 00:29:26.692 --> 00:29:30.790 Yeah, let's see I'm going to try and skip some of these. 00:29:30.790 --> 00:29:32.731 There's some that are duplicates here. 00:29:32.731 --> 00:29:36.996 Expect them to heal toxic environments with no tools. 00:29:36.996 --> 00:29:40.428 We spoke about it earlier A toxic environment. 00:29:40.428 --> 00:29:44.808 If it's an environment problem, it's an everybody problem. 00:29:44.808 --> 00:29:47.797 If it's a toxic person, yeah, HR can deal with that. 00:29:48.785 --> 00:29:54.973 I don't know how you think about it, but yeah, it is an everybody problem, but I feel like it more so lies on leadership. 00:29:54.993 --> 00:29:55.615 Top management. 00:29:55.635 --> 00:30:02.464 Because people are learning it from somewhere and it's being the behaviors are being accepted by someone. 00:30:02.464 --> 00:30:08.857 So yeah, like I think the burden of that probably lands on, like, the top level. 00:30:08.857 --> 00:30:10.329 It does not land on HR. 00:30:11.384 --> 00:30:12.569 I absolutely agree. 00:30:12.569 --> 00:30:15.570 Well said, expect them to same thing. 00:30:15.570 --> 00:30:19.096 Expect them to fix burnout while rewarding overwork. 00:30:19.096 --> 00:30:23.093 I mean it's a no-brainer with that. 00:30:23.093 --> 00:30:26.979 Dump every office problem on them and walk away administrative type thing. 00:30:26.979 --> 00:30:30.269 Ignore every workplace issue until it's a full-blown crisis. 00:30:30.269 --> 00:30:35.518 You know early intervention like drug. 00:30:35.518 --> 00:30:37.488 You know the drug commercials from the 80s and 90s. 00:30:37.488 --> 00:30:42.939 Early intervention can prevent this If you address early. 00:30:44.026 --> 00:31:03.075 I use the example of one of my manager trainings telling about my point is to address problems earlier and I say you know, if an employee is doing A and you want them to do B, address it as soon as you notice the problem, because the longer you wait, the further A and B get from each other and there's a point where you can't fix it. 00:31:03.275 --> 00:31:09.528 You know there's so much time and money or resources or they've just been going the wrong direction for so long. 00:31:09.528 --> 00:31:11.635 And the employee? 00:31:11.635 --> 00:31:15.392 I bet they may, worst case scenario, they get their feelings hurt for a little while. 00:31:15.392 --> 00:31:31.096 But I think ultimately they'll appreciate being put on the right track and despite all you see about quite quitting and all this other stuff, I do not believe people come to work with the intention of doing a bad job and this is like the least jaded you're going to ever hear me. 00:31:31.096 --> 00:31:46.335 I think everybody comes to work trying to do the best they're capable of doing and sometimes to raise that capability they need a good management team or a good leader, mentor or something like that who can stretch their capabilities and grow them. 00:31:46.335 --> 00:31:48.807 So that's my little soapbox. 00:31:49.771 --> 00:31:52.984 I will say that some people are motivated a little differently than others. 00:31:52.984 --> 00:31:55.810 There's different levels of motivation to do their best. 00:31:55.810 --> 00:32:03.817 But I agree with you when you say no one wakes up in the morning and says I can't wait to suck at my job. 00:32:03.817 --> 00:32:08.557 Like I can't wait to cause issues for everybody, like I think so. 00:32:08.684 --> 00:32:09.729 Now causing issues? 00:32:09.729 --> 00:32:11.634 The drama kings and queens out there. 00:32:11.634 --> 00:32:13.150 I think some of them. 00:32:13.150 --> 00:32:14.433 I think they're looking. 00:32:14.433 --> 00:32:17.431 You know what are they? 00:32:17.431 --> 00:32:19.392 They twiddle their thumbs all night. 00:32:19.392 --> 00:32:22.413 Oh, yes, I'm going to create some drama at work. 00:32:22.625 --> 00:32:27.537 Anyways, change policies consistently, constantly and expect them to keep up. 00:32:27.537 --> 00:32:30.272 Cut their team, but increase their workload. 00:32:30.272 --> 00:32:31.367 Same as you know. 00:32:31.367 --> 00:32:34.096 Punish them for speaking up about uncomfortable truths. 00:32:34.096 --> 00:32:38.174 Blame them for bad hires, but never involve them in the hiring. 00:32:38.174 --> 00:32:46.047 Hires, but never involve them in the hiring. 00:32:46.047 --> 00:32:47.690 I had a situation we just were sending an offer yesterday to an employee. 00:32:47.690 --> 00:32:54.912 We've been working with them for months and from the word go, at the very beginning, zatar isn't getting involved. 00:32:54.912 --> 00:32:59.806 But we extend the offer and I'm talking to him about, okay, we accepted the offer. 00:32:59.806 --> 00:33:02.268 And then, okay, here's what's going to happen. 00:33:02.268 --> 00:33:25.961 You're been in, you know can't catch him, you know to follow up with him and anyways, long story short, he continued that trend. 00:33:25.961 --> 00:33:30.238 But as soon as he started being difficult, I was like I was telling the hiring manager. 00:33:30.238 --> 00:33:32.385 I said I got bad feelings about this guy. 00:33:32.385 --> 00:33:43.653 And then, yeah, we, we rescinded the offer, call them hr, but never give them a real seat at the table, the seat at the table, the seat at the table thing. 00:33:43.673 --> 00:33:45.938 The seat at the table Cliché you want to know something. 00:33:45.964 --> 00:33:48.493 That was like literally the first thing I learned in grad school. 00:33:50.086 --> 00:33:51.070 How to get a seat at the table. 00:33:51.566 --> 00:33:53.133 HR has to have a seat at the table. 00:33:54.765 --> 00:33:58.924 You know nobody, you know a couple semesters into grad school. 00:33:58.924 --> 00:34:01.192 Nobody's brought that up to me. 00:34:01.192 --> 00:34:03.626 Once again. 00:34:03.626 --> 00:34:16.577 The last two are, you know, similar to what's been covered before Demand, culture change without leadership actually changing and push toxic managers forward with the expectation and expect retention to improve. 00:34:16.577 --> 00:34:19.353 So yeah, some of those are good. 00:34:19.353 --> 00:34:24.170 I mean that could have been a top 10 list of reasons why HR quits? 00:34:24.190 --> 00:34:26.237 Honestly, there were some things that were like a little repetitive. 00:34:26.525 --> 00:34:27.327 Yeah, yeah. 00:34:27.487 --> 00:34:31.476 I just said the same thing in a different way, but they're all great Like. 00:34:31.476 --> 00:34:32.666 I agree with all of those. 00:34:33.829 --> 00:34:33.949 It's. 00:34:33.949 --> 00:34:35.592 You know I enjoy cooking. 00:34:35.592 --> 00:34:39.768 I told you my my noise is food network and I'll download recipes. 00:34:39.768 --> 00:34:47.971 And it kills me If you go to like all recipes or something like that, a recipe for something that you only want. 00:34:47.971 --> 00:34:54.423 The recipe it's 10 ingredients or less, but you have to scroll 300 pages deep because they have to put. 00:34:54.585 --> 00:34:59.878 This casserole was what my grandmother served on every special occasion. 00:35:00.505 --> 00:35:18.099 I can't tell you the warm and inviting scents that whiffed it through, that, like, just tell me how to make the damn casserole, that's all I want Exactly, but I figured it out because the more verbiage and the longer the pages, the more ads they can put up there and pay for that stupid recipe. 00:35:18.099 --> 00:35:19.161 That didn't work out well. 00:35:26.885 --> 00:35:28.692 By the way, we like have a storm brewing like the thunder is right over our house. 00:35:28.711 --> 00:35:29.012 That scared me. 00:35:29.012 --> 00:35:29.797 I apologize if you can hear that. 00:35:29.797 --> 00:35:45.427 Oh, I didn't hear it didn't hear a thing, wow, but no, those were the two things I had to cover I found interesting in the hr world this week or the last two weeks this week or the last two weeks. 00:35:45.447 --> 00:35:45.668 So I was. 00:35:45.668 --> 00:35:54.869 You know we're talking about other podcasts before and I, being the complete fan of the office, I started listening to rain wilson's podcast called soul boom what is the gist of that? 00:35:54.969 --> 00:35:58.815 because I know he's big in the sci-fi universe and he's. 00:35:58.815 --> 00:36:02.041 He's got a lot more going on than just the office. 00:36:03.402 --> 00:36:05.666 Yeah, so Soul Boom, I think it. 00:36:05.666 --> 00:36:14.206 He used to like run an online creative called Soul Pancake and it was all very like positive stuff and he was part. 00:36:14.206 --> 00:36:24.463 Now Soul Boom is something different and basically he talks about how he had issues with severe depression and severe anxiety when he was working in the office. 00:36:24.463 --> 00:36:31.418 Like theoretically, he had everything in life that anyone could ever ask for, but he still found himself very unhappy. 00:36:31.418 --> 00:36:41.920 So it's basically his way of finding purpose, I guess like finding purpose in life, and he like talks to a lot of individual guests. 00:36:42.822 --> 00:36:43.523 I heard that one. 00:36:44.931 --> 00:36:56.914 Like right here, but it's a lot of like wellness and mental health, wellness and stuff like that, like wellness and mental health, wellness and stuff like that and self-discovery. 00:36:56.914 --> 00:37:03.655 So he had ed helms on and then helms talked about a lot of stuff that he dealt with, like dealing with adhd and a late life diagnosis with that. 00:37:03.655 --> 00:37:13.496 But anyway, they were talking about the office and they were reminiscing a little bit and he asked you know they talked about and talked about Andy Bernard's. 00:37:13.496 --> 00:37:26.601 One of Andy Bernard's famous last lines was I wish there was a way that you could know that you were in the good old days before you left them and they had like a little conversation about that, like what to them was a good old day. 00:37:26.601 --> 00:37:31.400 And I was like, oh, like thinking about all the companies I used to work at. 00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:42.420 I just thought it would be interesting to just talk about, as far as company goes, like what was your good old day, like what was the best time and your favorite company and your favorite people to work with. 00:37:43.150 --> 00:37:44.737 So I was telling you all fair. 00:37:44.737 --> 00:37:56.771 I had a very similar conversation with somebody very recently so I'm like prepared for this with somebody very recently. 00:37:56.771 --> 00:37:57.474 So I'm like prepared for this. 00:37:57.474 --> 00:38:00.503 So what I did in this conversation is I started back in my first true professional HR position. 00:38:00.503 --> 00:38:02.990 I did third-party recruiting that company. 00:38:02.990 --> 00:38:05.775 It was fast-paced, it was fun. 00:38:05.775 --> 00:38:12.641 I mean, we had a kegerator at work, we drank Bloody Marys at work, we partied hard, we worked hard. 00:38:12.641 --> 00:38:14.648 But it was a great environment. 00:38:14.648 --> 00:38:17.456 I didn't necessarily fit in as well there. 00:38:17.456 --> 00:38:23.996 I was a little awkward and I was only there a few years, but it was a good environment. 00:38:23.996 --> 00:38:25.903 I liked the company, I liked the people. 00:38:25.903 --> 00:38:28.190 I just never felt like I truly fit in. 00:38:28.190 --> 00:38:30.231 So that was a good experience. 00:38:30.231 --> 00:38:34.793 Then after that I worked at a staffing agency. 00:38:34.793 --> 00:38:42.518 Once again, I liked the people I worked with but I didn't like the staffing agency side of it. 00:38:42.518 --> 00:38:44.119 That just wasn't me. 00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:51.505 I was only recruiting, I wasn't doing sales or anything, but it just wasn't for me that aspect. 00:38:52.144 --> 00:38:59.878 I joined the CPA firm and I was a recruiter then and the first couple of years I was in love with it. 00:38:59.878 --> 00:39:01.474 I was doing recruiting. 00:39:01.474 --> 00:39:02.458 I loved it. 00:39:02.458 --> 00:39:08.297 Well, I wouldn't say I liked some of the people I liked one of the people in my HR team. 00:39:08.297 --> 00:39:15.963 I did not like my HR team terribly much and I actually sought to move myself out. 00:39:15.963 --> 00:39:24.380 We moved from like the fifth floor to the ninth floor and there was only so many offices available and they said someone in the HR team is going to have to move over by IT. 00:39:24.380 --> 00:39:27.757 And my hand shot up like a rocket and I'm like, yes, put me with IT. 00:39:27.757 --> 00:39:32.052 So that was good and it ended. 00:39:32.112 --> 00:39:34.880 Really I hated the way that job ended. 00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:45.641 They they brought in a director level above me without ever letting me know they wanted a director level or someone to act like that who was a PETA and drove me out quickly. 00:39:45.641 --> 00:39:51.621 I and it's fine as I I think he was going to fire me before I, after that, went to the law firm. 00:39:51.621 --> 00:39:59.494 I really the law firm was the first place I worked for that I thought I could see myself actually retiring from. 00:39:59.494 --> 00:40:01.057 I liked it. 00:40:01.057 --> 00:40:05.271 I liked a lot of the attorneys. 00:40:05.271 --> 00:40:08.699 I liked especially the labor and employment attorneys. 00:40:08.699 --> 00:40:10.021 I liked them a lot. 00:40:10.021 --> 00:40:22.251 I knew of them and I've worked with them in the past, both because they were the CPA firm's attorneys and I've worked with them, unfortunately more than my share of occasions with that, but I like that. 00:40:22.251 --> 00:40:27.302 It was just not the best HR environment. 00:40:27.302 --> 00:40:40.561 I don't think it was only two of us plus a payroll person and we were the personnel department and we did everything on excel spreadsheets and that just personnel yeah, obviously, assistant personnel director. 00:40:41.182 --> 00:40:41.972 I worked at the hospital. 00:40:41.972 --> 00:40:42.896 I've told that story. 00:40:42.896 --> 00:40:47.251 They lost their license within weeks of me starting and I got laid off six months later. 00:40:47.251 --> 00:40:49.094 But that was just awful. 00:40:49.094 --> 00:40:51.076 The university I've worked there. 00:40:51.076 --> 00:40:59.793 I really I'll say this on the air I went in with a thought of this is going to be temporary for me. 00:41:00.273 --> 00:41:12.380 I had a very bad preconceived idea for profit education and once I got in and saw you know, there's good players in the game, bad players in the game, and this university was a good player in the game. 00:41:12.380 --> 00:41:15.791 I liked a lot about it. 00:41:15.791 --> 00:41:20.280 I loved my HR team, probably the best HR team that I will ever work with. 00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:22.070 Patrick was on that team. 00:41:22.070 --> 00:41:28.043 I've had other members in season one were guests with me. 00:41:28.043 --> 00:41:33.016 The team was great, the university was good and things like that. 00:41:33.016 --> 00:41:35.121 But the water park it was what it was. 00:41:35.121 --> 00:41:37.257 That wasn't the right job for me. 00:41:37.829 --> 00:41:42.036 But now where I'm at now, I think I'm actually long story. 00:41:42.036 --> 00:41:48.045 I think I'm actually in that point where I'm in the good old days and I can recognize it. 00:41:48.045 --> 00:41:57.081 I love the work I'm doing and you know, I know there's a couple of people from my office who listen to this and I'm not saying this in a brown nosing way. 00:41:57.081 --> 00:42:00.606 I love the work I'm doing, I love the company I'm working for. 00:42:00.606 --> 00:42:02.030 I love my boss. 00:42:02.030 --> 00:42:13.001 She gives me virtually unlimited freedom and allows me to do pretty much anything I please, as long you know, with it I don't ask anything stupid, I don't think. 00:42:13.190 --> 00:42:32.217 But it's, and we mesh very well, we, we think very similarly on things, and so I think I'm in the good old days now and I, I once again, I, I see this place as hopefully my final, my final piece of employment before I finally do retire. 00:42:32.217 --> 00:42:36.052 So I hope I'm correct in saying I'm living in the good old days. 00:42:36.052 --> 00:42:37.976 I have two employees. 00:42:37.976 --> 00:42:40.541 I really enjoy them both. 00:42:40.541 --> 00:42:42.791 They're, you know, great. 00:42:42.791 --> 00:42:45.257 I'm very pleased with them. 00:42:45.257 --> 00:42:57.621 I don't have to hard manage them, it's just everything's going sunshine and roses, and I've been there for six and a half years now, so it's not like I've got the new car smell still there. 00:42:58.811 --> 00:42:59.836 I love it. 00:42:59.836 --> 00:43:11.579 I was thinking about this too, I would say, when I used to work for I'll just say the name, it doesn't matter anymore when I used to work for Luxottica, which was like a big eyewear company. 00:43:11.579 --> 00:43:19.659 That was some of the most fun I've had and I will say I think it was because I was earlier in career. 00:43:19.659 --> 00:43:34.123 I worked on the recruiting team and recruiting is a hoot and then I got to like jump off the recruiting team and go into, like the learning and OD space and we were doing things there that were very ahead of its time. 00:43:34.123 --> 00:43:40.019 So like we were doing things back in I would say, 2012 ish. 00:43:40.019 --> 00:43:41.344 Like we had a. 00:43:41.585 --> 00:44:07.179 We had a diversity and inclusion person at that point, which before, like then, like not a lot of companies had that and then we also just like did a lot of like leadership competencies and stuff like that, and it was like I'm still using things I did there presently because we were so ahead of the curve there that it's kind of like sometimes, you know, I still pull on those past experiences. 00:44:07.179 --> 00:44:14.858 But I mean, honestly I was, I was in one of my co-workers weddings a A co-worker was in my wedding Like it was just like a fun time. 00:44:14.858 --> 00:44:17.744 But I'm going to say what you said. 00:44:17.744 --> 00:44:35.251 You stole my answer, warren, because I was going to say that I think also I'm currently in the good old days, like you know. 00:44:35.251 --> 00:44:47.518 I'm just kind of thinking this is the first time in a very long time where I feel like I'm working on things that I find to be super fun and what I wanted to do, and I'm doing things that are impactful and I am getting not credit, but people see the work I'm doing and acknowledge it and the recognition. 00:44:48.420 --> 00:45:13.762 And I don't think I've had that for a very long time and I'm going to like I don't want to sound like this bitter ex-employee, but I've been in situations where I'm going to be really honest, like I don't think that direct manager was my sponsor in rooms I wasn't in and it was like things would get done, but I was never given credit. 00:45:13.762 --> 00:45:22.722 They took the credit for being the leader, of getting it done and they didn't really want to take the spotlight away from themselves. 00:45:22.722 --> 00:45:37.197 Or I got into a big I mean, I got into a big argument not argument like that was dramatic, but I kind of like was very carefully trying to take something out of an old manager's hand and he basically just shut it down. 00:45:37.197 --> 00:45:39.978 He goes I know what you're doing and I'm never going to give this up. 00:45:39.978 --> 00:45:45.333 And I'm like, ok, like Sit people in a room for two hours and listen to them. 00:45:45.333 --> 00:45:52.204 Like have them just watch a video of you talk for two hours because you're the leadership expert. 00:45:52.610 --> 00:45:54.023 Like, oh, like why am I here? 00:45:54.023 --> 00:45:54.971 I don't know. 00:45:54.971 --> 00:45:58.099 Anyway, it's just like stuff like that where I don't know. 00:45:58.099 --> 00:46:03.420 I'm just in a really good place right now and I like I trust my boss. 00:46:03.420 --> 00:46:04.422 She's amazing. 00:46:04.422 --> 00:46:05.465 My manager is amazing. 00:46:05.465 --> 00:46:08.130 I work with very smart people. 00:46:08.130 --> 00:46:13.356 I would say like I also need to be the person like I need. 00:46:13.356 --> 00:46:26.661 I'm also one of those people that if I see someone doing something that's like less than mediocre, it will drive me insane and I can say like this is the first time in a while where I am working with equally brilliant people. 00:46:26.661 --> 00:46:27.342 Nice. 00:46:27.469 --> 00:46:29.577 And yeah, it just feels good, I'm in a good place. 00:46:31.050 --> 00:46:33.530 No, that is absolutely important. 00:46:33.530 --> 00:46:47.275 You know, one of the places I've worked, even though I was earlier in my career, I felt that I was the star on the team and you know I shouldn't have been a star. 00:46:47.275 --> 00:46:48.755 I was too early. 00:46:48.755 --> 00:46:50.675 I knew at that time I'm too. 00:46:50.675 --> 00:46:53.317 Why am I feeling this way? 00:46:53.317 --> 00:46:59.818 It's just other people were doing the bare minimum and you know, mistakes were accepted and even laughed at. 00:46:59.818 --> 00:47:03.818 Okay, well, I don't like that. 00:47:03.818 --> 00:47:08.981 And part of my history and experience. 00:47:08.981 --> 00:47:13.561 I really, once again, I'm not trying to be sappy or anything. 00:47:13.561 --> 00:47:22.965 I'm trying to be the manager to my two employees that I always wanted for myself and I feel I can do some. 00:47:23.364 --> 00:47:26.646 You know we have a recruiter I recruited for over 10 years. 00:47:26.646 --> 00:47:30.527 I've got that and I know recruiting's changed and evolved and things like that. 00:47:30.527 --> 00:47:37.168 I like working with her and getting her thoughts and ideas and she does a seminar and as soon as she does a seminar, it's over. 00:47:37.168 --> 00:47:44.554 I'm like, oh, tell me about it, I want to hear and things like that. 00:47:44.554 --> 00:48:06.527 And another thing, not to toot my own horn or anything on Mondays we have a corporate meeting of all the corporate department heads, so you have IT and contracts and all the accounting et cetera all there, and my recruiter one of the VPs sent me a very nice email about how my recruiter was doing an excellent job helping him fill these urgent positions and things like that. 00:48:08.748 --> 00:48:23.945 This VP sent a beautiful email about our recruiter and I wanted to share that with everybody here to say you know, let everybody know that she's getting recognized so they can recognize her, and I think that also develops the trust. 00:48:23.945 --> 00:48:27.193 When they need a job field, they know that they can. 00:48:27.193 --> 00:48:29.119 You know that builds the trust. 00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:30.896 Okay, I can have confidence in her. 00:48:30.896 --> 00:48:40.927 She's knocking it out of the park for this division, this VP, so they should have the same expectations when they have an opening and things like that. 00:48:40.927 --> 00:48:43.134 I think that's important. 00:48:43.134 --> 00:48:51.775 I don't know I've been unrecognized, I've been sort of I don't know what the right word is I've never been in bad. 00:48:51.775 --> 00:48:53.219 I've worked with bad people. 00:48:53.219 --> 00:48:55.643 I've never been in a bad environment or bad. 00:48:55.643 --> 00:48:58.476 I don't know what the right word is, but yeah, it's. 00:48:59.639 --> 00:48:59.780 Yeah. 00:49:00.990 --> 00:49:05.541 I will say if I've told the story before, you can stop me and edit this out. 00:49:05.541 --> 00:49:33.105 So I worked with an individual who was very much highly praised for doing very like basic things and not and I don't mean to be rude, I'm I'm meaning this in a way of like there was nothing at the company, so a basic of something was better than what there was, which sometimes that's awesome. 00:49:33.105 --> 00:49:56.891 But this person kept getting praised and praised and praised and praised and they like got a trip to the President's Club, they got to go to Hawaii on the company dime for like, literally like just do your job just do their job, and not only that, but doing work that I personally did earlier in my career like that caliber of work. 00:49:57.632 --> 00:50:07.054 so there is a piece of me that's like listen, kudos to what has been created, but is it really like a trip to hawaii worth right? 00:50:07.094 --> 00:50:11.639 yeah but anyway, not my, not my rodeo, like you know. 00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:13.822 Whatever, we're just gonna let them do their thing. 00:50:13.822 --> 00:50:18.253 And I would get a little frustrated. 00:50:18.253 --> 00:50:18.632 I get. 00:50:18.632 --> 00:50:28.771 I get frustrated when people always say I'm so busy, I'm so busy, I'm so busy oh, my hair is on fire like I'm just so busy doing all of the things, all of the things busy all the time. 00:50:28.771 --> 00:50:31.760 And it just like just shut up and do your work like I don't need to hear it. 00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:36.362 But anyway, this was this person's MO, just constantly being busy. 00:50:36.769 --> 00:50:46.503 And I do remember like I worked on a project with them close to me leaving the organization, and one of the things was like, oh, we need to do this every year, because every year it needs to be done. 00:50:46.503 --> 00:50:57.945 But whatever, and I'm like, well, if we took the moment to do it right and make it good and right I don't want to say too much because of people, but like, let's say, we're creating a training. 00:50:57.945 --> 00:51:02.034 I was like, oh, like we do this training every year, people always complain about it. 00:51:02.034 --> 00:51:02.777 No one ever will. 00:51:02.777 --> 00:51:08.090 I'm like, let's do it, let's do it right and put some time and effort into it, and then we won't have to do it over and over and over. 00:51:08.692 --> 00:51:25.507 So I got put on a project with this person and this person literally was like we worked through it and they said they started going to the story about a Rice Krispie Treats commercial and I remember, like there's this Rice Krispie Treats commercial and I know exactly what they were talking about. 00:51:25.507 --> 00:51:33.804 They were talking about this commercial from the 90s or early 2000s and the mom, like is just overwhelmed with life and she was making her family a dessert. 00:51:33.804 --> 00:51:34.971 And she was just like is just overwhelmed with life and she was making her family a dessert. 00:51:34.971 --> 00:51:39.896 And she was just like, oh my God, like leave me alone, I'm going to close the door, I'm cooking dessert. 00:51:39.896 --> 00:51:52.963 And she opens up a box of the pre-made Rice Krispie Treats in the wrappers and like unwraps them and places them on a plate and uses that time for like self-care, like I'm going to read a book and a magazine. 00:51:52.963 --> 00:51:58.931 But then, like before she brought the plate out to her family, she's like threw flour on her face and like messed her hair up. 00:51:58.931 --> 00:52:02.739 Like oh mommy, mommy just made like slaved over. 00:52:02.739 --> 00:52:05.023 And she said that's what this is. 00:52:05.023 --> 00:52:07.655 And I said, excuse me, she goes. 00:52:08.177 --> 00:52:14.811 No matter what we do, we need to make it look like we did a lot, what we do. 00:52:14.811 --> 00:52:15.932 We need to make it look like we did a lot. 00:52:15.932 --> 00:52:16.914 And I was like I'm done. 00:52:16.914 --> 00:52:24.833 I'm done If this is the person who gets trips to Hawaii, who gets promoted, who gets stupid accolades for doing very remedial work. 00:52:24.833 --> 00:52:28.581 I'm out Like I cannot do this. 00:52:28.581 --> 00:52:35.121 And it's like in that moment she they told me what their game was and I was and I saw that person in a very different light. 00:52:35.121 --> 00:52:41.083 I was like okay, so we're being a little manipulative and lazy. 00:52:41.083 --> 00:52:47.764 And I also saw like the organization as just being like this is the behavior we want to celebrate. 00:52:47.764 --> 00:52:52.081 And I was like I actually do take pride in my work. 00:52:52.081 --> 00:53:00.838 I put a lot of effort, I think strategically, I do all of the things and I wasn't promoted in three years and I left. 00:53:00.858 --> 00:53:02.902 Yeah. 00:53:03.931 --> 00:53:19.001 And so, anyway, I have an inside joke with a former co-worker of mine, who we know, this individual, and the joke is we make soufflés, we don't make Rice Krispie Treat and like just to you know, we we're, we make souffles. 00:53:22.251 --> 00:53:25.956 I've I've worked with people like that as well, and it's it's annoying. 00:53:26.030 --> 00:53:34.092 The balls to tell someone like hey, like the balls to say it, I was just a little pissed like the balls to say it. 00:53:34.112 --> 00:53:35.373 I was just a little pissed, well. 00:53:35.373 --> 00:53:41.534 Well, I'm glad we're ending the show on a jaded note because this has been so unjaded overall. 00:53:41.534 --> 00:53:49.635 But, like I said, we're both in the the good times now, so it's hard to be terribly jaded jaded with that. 00:53:49.635 --> 00:53:52.358 So, yeah, anyways, let's here. 00:53:52.358 --> 00:53:55.744 We did our thank yous already, so just want to wrap things up. 00:53:55.744 --> 00:53:57.434 Please listen, send reviews. 00:53:57.434 --> 00:54:03.273 I discovered recently that we have reviews on Spotify and unfortunately they only give us ours. 00:54:03.273 --> 00:54:07.081 But we got like a 4.5 or something rating on Spotify, so keep that up. 00:54:07.851 --> 00:54:09.737 Oh no, no, it's a 4.6. 00:54:09.737 --> 00:54:10.358 Don't short sell us. 00:54:10.889 --> 00:54:14.679 Okay, not going to decline on us and things like that. 00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:21.335 So keep those up, leave them on review on Apple and we will read them on the air, but, as always, morn. 00:54:23.610 --> 00:54:26.380 Butterscotch Penelope Tulip Pants. 00:54:26.380 --> 00:54:29.155 That was your weird thing. 00:54:29.155 --> 00:54:30.918 If you listened all the way to the end, that's what you heard. 00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:31.981 I don't know who lost. 00:54:31.981 --> 00:54:34.228 Weird thing If you listened all the way to the end, that's what you heard. 00:54:34.228 --> 00:54:33.449 I mean, I didn't lose a lot. 00:54:35.090 --> 00:54:40.715 And we're both here helping you survive each of our one what-the-fuck moments at a time. 00:54:40.715 --> 00:54:41.960 Bye.