WEBVTT 00:00:02.063 --> 00:00:09.875 Had you actually read the email, you would know that the podcast you are about to listen to could contain explicit language and offensive content. 00:00:10.259 --> 00:00:16.594 These HR experts' views are not representative of their past, present or future employers. 00:00:18.060 --> 00:00:24.294 Welcome to Jaded HR, the podcast by two HR professionals who want to help you get through the workday by saying everything you're thinking. 00:00:24.294 --> 00:00:25.481 I'm Warren. 00:00:26.463 --> 00:00:27.004 I'm Cece. 00:00:29.449 --> 00:00:37.588 Hey everybody, before we get going, this is Editing Warren and we're going to talk through this episode about a couple of videos. 00:00:37.588 --> 00:00:48.750 It may be easier for you if you follow the links in the show notes to see these YouTube videos on your own ones from Reddit, but we'll put the links in the show notes so you can follow along with us. 00:00:48.750 --> 00:00:54.630 It may not be as easy to follow without seeing the videos in reference. 00:00:54.630 --> 00:00:56.091 Thanks y'all. 00:00:56.091 --> 00:01:00.064 All right, so well. 00:01:00.064 --> 00:01:00.887 We were just talking. 00:01:00.887 --> 00:01:08.911 Both of us have so much going on, so much fun stuff, some things I'd love to share on the air, but it might have to wait till a little time. 00:01:08.911 --> 00:01:12.048 What's to say, the difference between comedy and tragedy is time. 00:01:12.048 --> 00:01:17.563 So maybe give it, let this one age a little bit before, and then maybe I won't be so triggered. 00:01:17.563 --> 00:01:24.683 But I think, with our topics today, which you found, all of them, uh well, I'm gonna. 00:01:24.683 --> 00:01:27.572 I have one thing I'm going to bring, but you triggered me. 00:01:27.572 --> 00:01:32.972 Each and everything you sent me triggered me at a different level or a different way. 00:01:34.183 --> 00:01:35.569 So yeah, this is going to be fun-jaded. 00:01:35.569 --> 00:01:37.844 It was literally that meme. 00:01:37.844 --> 00:01:39.028 From what is that show? 00:01:39.028 --> 00:01:39.531 Community? 00:01:40.060 --> 00:01:48.826 Where like he walks back in the room with pizza and everything is on fire, like that's how I felt the internet was this week, where he walks back in the room with pizza and everything is on fire. 00:01:48.826 --> 00:01:50.328 That's how I felt the internet was this week. 00:01:50.328 --> 00:01:59.754 I detoxed from some of my social media and then I came back and we have all three of the stories that came up this week that were kind of work-related and I was like this is why we can't have nice things. 00:01:59.754 --> 00:02:02.096 I turn around, I come back, everything's on fire. 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:07.400 Oh, kind of sort of maybe. 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:10.206 But speaking of what, this is why we can't have nice things. 00:02:10.206 --> 00:02:12.572 I mean the taylor swift engagement. 00:02:12.572 --> 00:02:17.487 We have all these news channel tvs on our in our lobby, every it doesn't. 00:02:17.487 --> 00:02:19.973 We have fox, we have cnn, we have cnnbc. 00:02:19.973 --> 00:02:21.241 We have all of them out there. 00:02:21.241 --> 00:02:25.812 All of of them were covering the Taylor Swift engagement. 00:02:26.501 --> 00:02:27.545 Yes, rightfully so. 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:33.848 Donald Trump was making a statement about it and I couldn't hear it and I was too far away to read the captions underneath. 00:02:33.848 --> 00:02:43.949 We keep it on mute with the captions because you have so many TVs all competing against each other, so I couldn't read the caption, but the headline was Trump commenting on it. 00:02:44.822 --> 00:02:52.746 I'm like the president commenting on their engagement that man better keep her name out of his mouth do not touch taylor swift. 00:02:52.746 --> 00:02:55.712 Yeah, like I, I'm very excited. 00:02:55.712 --> 00:02:57.497 This is someone. 00:02:57.497 --> 00:03:05.373 I was talking to someone today and they said this is the american version of a royal wedding and and I'm like, this is this is our royal wedding. 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:08.347 No, people at my work were talking about that too. 00:03:08.347 --> 00:03:15.431 It ended up in order, like I went to the break room and I'm coming back and I go through the lobby. 00:03:15.431 --> 00:03:17.181 When I do that, it's the easiest way for me. 00:03:17.181 --> 00:03:30.689 And also I do like looking at the TVs and seeing what the headlines are, and normally this Fox has this and CNN has this and CNBC has that and whatever else is in there, but all of them had the same thing. 00:03:30.689 --> 00:03:34.385 I'm like, well, I was first I thought, oh my God, did somebody die? 00:03:34.385 --> 00:03:38.644 Like when they're all covering the same thing like that, that's all it was the engagement. 00:03:38.644 --> 00:03:41.250 And I was like, oh, I thought it was fine. 00:03:41.250 --> 00:03:54.650 But then, as people were coming in the lobby and talk, we're talking about this is a royal wedding, this is going to be the American royal wedding and I was saying, well, she's already a billionaire, but she should pay-per-view it so she can make another billion dollars off of that. 00:03:54.950 --> 00:04:01.604 Right so anyways, I love it she should, I would go buy tickets to go see it, just like I did the tour. 00:04:01.685 --> 00:04:19.584 so I would I would go I would go to an imax experience oh, yeah, yeah, true, yeah, but that's some cool, positive things going on in the world today, because we've had too many shitty things going on in the world lately and we're going to be talking about some in the hr world. 00:04:19.584 --> 00:04:24.083 Let's see, here I I cut you off because when you said this is why we can't have nice things, that tay. 00:04:24.204 --> 00:04:30.651 Taylor Swift song just popped in my head which, by the way, that was an excellent reference and an excellent segue, Warren Bravo. 00:04:31.901 --> 00:04:32.805 The old guy can do it. 00:04:32.805 --> 00:04:35.560 Every once in a while I can pull it out. 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:41.612 But I've been meaning to ask my son, who is, if he's any bigger of a Swiftie he'd have a restraining order. 00:04:41.612 --> 00:04:44.848 Is that a song about another celebrity? 00:04:44.848 --> 00:04:50.720 Because she makes so many songs about so many other people and it sounds sort of like that is a dig at somebody. 00:04:50.720 --> 00:05:01.165 I just I don't have the the pop culture references to know who, so maybe that'll be a patreon episode yeah, you can. 00:05:01.766 --> 00:05:13.221 We can get my son on board to teach me about that, okay, so before I go too far, I want to do our thank yous, get those. 00:05:13.221 --> 00:05:22.189 Like I said, we want to do those earlier and recognize our Patreon supporters, who are Hallie, the original Jaded HR Rockstar, michael and Bill you sent a message, I sent you an email, so please look at your email and reply. 00:05:22.189 --> 00:05:24.629 I want to see what we can make happen for you there. 00:05:24.629 --> 00:05:27.206 So, anyways, thank you for your support, Bill. 00:05:27.247 --> 00:05:28.190 read your messages. 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:30.882 If you like. 00:05:30.882 --> 00:05:34.310 The intro says if you'd actually read the email. 00:05:34.310 --> 00:05:35.812 No, no, bill. 00:05:35.812 --> 00:05:36.401 Anyways. 00:05:36.401 --> 00:05:43.651 So that's our thank yous, and Andrew Culpa is the announcer and the music is the underscore orchestra devil the devil. 00:05:43.651 --> 00:05:47.764 So that's out of the way and we can talk some fun hr stuff. 00:05:47.764 --> 00:05:52.822 But I'm going to start things off light, and I was I'm going to share with you my screen. 00:05:52.822 --> 00:06:02.430 So once upon a time, as you know, I've worked at and this will kind of sort of, in a way, maybe tie into another one of our topics today water park. 00:06:02.430 --> 00:06:09.350 I used to work at put this ad on, or this post on instagram, and it seems like they're wanting. 00:06:09.350 --> 00:06:12.821 As summer winds down, you want to get something special for your team. 00:06:12.821 --> 00:06:15.670 Why not a unforgettable day at the water park? 00:06:15.670 --> 00:06:20.482 Imagine the excitement and bonding experience around the way it goes on. 00:06:20.482 --> 00:06:29.014 So, as an hr professional, what do you think of having a team building exercise at a water park? 00:06:29.014 --> 00:06:31.908 No, no, no, no. 00:06:32.187 --> 00:06:32.990 That's my nightmare. 00:06:36.440 --> 00:06:36.942 Your nightmare. 00:06:36.942 --> 00:06:43.713 Yeah, as soon as I saw that, I was like I would not do a water park. 00:06:43.713 --> 00:06:50.913 Actually, if another department or team came to me and said, oh, we're going to do this for our team building, I would advise drastically against it. 00:06:50.913 --> 00:06:55.029 If not, try and put my foot down and say, no, we're not doing that. 00:06:55.029 --> 00:06:56.173 I don't know. 00:06:56.173 --> 00:06:58.944 No, just no. 00:06:58.944 --> 00:07:03.351 You're asking for trouble with that situation. 00:07:06.704 --> 00:07:11.134 No, I don't want to see anyone in their swimwear that I work with. 00:07:11.134 --> 00:07:14.625 I don't want my eyeball. 00:07:14.625 --> 00:07:15.548 No, I don't. 00:07:15.548 --> 00:07:16.088 I don't. 00:07:16.088 --> 00:07:18.192 No, hate it, hate it. 00:07:18.192 --> 00:07:18.834 Denied. 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:26.288 Honestly, bathing suits are becoming more and more and more revealing all the time, both men and women's bathing suits. 00:07:26.288 --> 00:07:28.343 And yeah, I just. 00:07:28.343 --> 00:07:31.750 It does remind me of when I worked at the water park. 00:07:31.750 --> 00:07:36.790 We had a season pass holder and two times a week I would be the manager on duty. 00:07:36.790 --> 00:07:55.096 So I was responsible for the whole water park and this lady came every single day and she had complaints every single day and our policy on swimsuits was if it was allowed on the local beaches by the county, it was allowed in the water park. 00:07:55.096 --> 00:08:02.307 Basically, you basically mean you couldn't be topless and that's about all it meant. 00:08:02.307 --> 00:08:09.954 So thongs, everything else was allowed and and she hated it. 00:08:09.954 --> 00:08:13.086 And she was like this is. 00:08:13.326 --> 00:08:19.466 She came to me one day complaining about all the thongs is that was a particularly busy day for thongs and such. 00:08:19.466 --> 00:08:25.708 And she came to me and with a or somebody had to get me call me because she had a complaint. 00:08:25.708 --> 00:08:36.552 So I had to go talk to her and I've seen more tail today than I'd see in an aquarium and I'm like, oh gosh, that was, that was her, one of her things. 00:08:36.552 --> 00:08:39.888 And my, my 15 year old son he's so embarrassed. 00:08:39.888 --> 00:08:44.105 I'm like he is not embarrassed, he is not not enjoying this. 00:08:44.105 --> 00:08:45.368 The, the views. 00:08:45.368 --> 00:08:47.841 I remembering 15 year old warren. 00:08:47.841 --> 00:08:54.235 No, your 15 year old son is not bothered or disturbed by any of this or anything. 00:08:54.235 --> 00:08:56.903 So, yeah, it was crazy. 00:08:56.903 --> 00:09:00.730 So yeah, we'll just pick up, but yeah, that was. 00:09:00.730 --> 00:09:02.052 I forget exactly what. 00:09:02.052 --> 00:09:05.414 The last thing we said was but that's a hard, no. 00:09:05.414 --> 00:09:06.320 Yeah was, but that's a hard no. 00:09:06.841 --> 00:09:08.388 That's a hard no for team building. 00:09:08.388 --> 00:09:11.948 Why can't we just do a fun escape room or something I don't know? 00:09:11.948 --> 00:09:13.172 Or wine tasting? 00:09:13.172 --> 00:09:15.147 How about a nice wine tasting? 00:09:17.179 --> 00:09:24.293 We're actually having an employee event and HR is not involved in the morale events we call them. 00:09:24.293 --> 00:09:36.191 And since it's the start of college football season and this episode gets released on Thursday Thursday night I forget the time, right now it's 730 East Carolina plays North Carolina State at Raleigh. 00:09:36.191 --> 00:09:38.467 So turn it on, wear your purple and cheer. 00:09:38.467 --> 00:09:39.966 We're 14-point underdogs. 00:09:39.966 --> 00:09:47.927 And the Military Bowl against NC State in January, we were 14-point underdogs and we won, so let's see what we got. 00:09:47.927 --> 00:09:50.846 So, anyways, our theme is a tailgate. 00:09:50.866 --> 00:10:07.162 So we're doing that on Wednesday that will be tomorrow, wednesday and then on Friday, since it's ESPN's College Colors Game Day, we're telling everybody to wear your favorite sports paraphernalia, whether it's a jersey or or something like that. 00:10:07.162 --> 00:10:09.467 So it's going to be, we're going to have a little fun with that. 00:10:09.467 --> 00:10:12.003 So I like that, I'm looking forward to it. 00:10:12.003 --> 00:10:22.206 So yay, so yeah, but I I think I was going to say I this can sort of kind of tie into the first story you sent me. 00:10:22.206 --> 00:10:25.653 So why don't you, why don't you set us up on this? 00:10:25.653 --> 00:10:29.589 And we'll put a link in the show notes to the YouTube video we're talking about. 00:10:29.589 --> 00:10:36.270 If you haven't seen it, it already had like a really insane number of views when I watched it earlier this week. 00:10:36.291 --> 00:10:48.186 Yeah, so this happened at a resort in Alaska and the resort is owned by Carnival, like the cruise line umbrella company. 00:10:48.186 --> 00:11:07.839 So if you could imagine, then they have a lot of individuals because it's Alaska specifically and it's in the wilderness, just like on a cruise ship, the people that work and employed for the company often live on the site where the resort is, often live on the site where the resort is. 00:11:07.839 --> 00:11:13.501 There's like a video out there of this guy and he is filming without like knowledge. 00:11:13.501 --> 00:11:26.452 It looks like he has his phone in his pocket, but he's an employee and he's a bartender who had a late shift and he approached the manager and said, basically, I need to sleep in. 00:11:27.260 --> 00:11:34.059 It's unacceptable that you are banging on the door at 9 am, like at the neighbors. 00:11:34.059 --> 00:11:48.369 So his neighbors, like whoever lived next to him, were also employees and the manager came banging at their door at 9 am specifically because they both called out sick. 00:11:48.369 --> 00:12:03.950 So the manager, I guess, wanted to check if they like we really don't know from the video, speculating whether or not like well, we can speculate that she actually wanted them to come to work because she did say that they were like understaffed and she needed them. 00:12:03.950 --> 00:12:18.763 And he said that's unacceptable, that basically you wouldn't do that if this was like a regular job, like you wouldn't drive to an employee's house and pull this crap with them, so why are you doing it here? 00:12:19.424 --> 00:12:20.528 I'll just interrupt there. 00:12:20.528 --> 00:12:32.706 If you remember I think we even talked in Germany Tesla was doing that to their employees who who called out sick, they were going, managers were going to the employees houses and if you called out sick and checking in on you. 00:12:33.648 --> 00:12:35.171 Yeah, that's a nightmare. 00:12:35.171 --> 00:12:46.567 So the altercation now I do want to point out because it does, I think it kind of comes into play a little bit only because there's a couple of things that I think escalated the situation further. 00:12:46.567 --> 00:13:00.902 But he's, he has his camera in his shirt pocket and he's talking with his hands and you can tell by his hands that he is, he is a person of color and, like this does kind of come into play a little later. 00:13:00.902 --> 00:13:05.109 So she's like if you need to talk about this, you need to take it up with HR. 00:13:05.109 --> 00:13:07.432 Like the manager, you need to take it up with HR, that's all. 00:13:07.432 --> 00:13:08.793 And he's like I will. 00:13:08.793 --> 00:13:11.043 So she, I guess. 00:13:11.043 --> 00:13:25.072 Later it cuts to them walking into what I assume is the HR person's office and she runs like, walks ahead of them and on camera like he's filming she goes, and on camera like he's filming she goes, he's out there yelling at me. 00:13:25.072 --> 00:13:34.145 So first of all, he was not, I don't know Warren like you watched it too. 00:13:34.186 --> 00:13:34.967 Do you think like he was yelling at her? 00:13:34.967 --> 00:13:36.692 I, okay, I don't think he was yelling at her. 00:13:36.692 --> 00:13:38.157 I think he came in hot. 00:13:38.780 --> 00:13:39.522 He didn't come in hot. 00:13:39.522 --> 00:13:40.363 He was frustrated. 00:13:40.702 --> 00:13:47.133 He came in hot and I think I've got two pages of notes written on this. 00:13:47.693 --> 00:13:48.034 I love it. 00:13:49.443 --> 00:13:52.150 Because I texted you, you sent it to me. 00:13:52.150 --> 00:13:53.039 I watched the video. 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:55.248 I only got five minutes in before I'm replying to you. 00:13:55.248 --> 00:13:59.890 Oh, I'm triggered at multiple, multiple levels At this point. 00:13:59.890 --> 00:14:01.846 Yeah, and only five minutes. 00:14:01.846 --> 00:14:03.807 This video, I think it's like 40 minutes long. 00:14:03.807 --> 00:14:06.448 It may not be 40 minutes, but it's long. 00:14:08.361 --> 00:14:11.326 I got triggered very early on with it. 00:14:11.326 --> 00:14:15.033 So, yes, I think he came in hot. 00:14:15.033 --> 00:14:18.864 I wouldn't say he was yelling at her, but then again, we don't know. 00:14:18.864 --> 00:14:29.448 As you said, there was a cut in there and when they go from it looks like the restaurant area, into the, into Jeff's office, and I did not believe Jeff was HR. 00:14:29.448 --> 00:14:31.075 I don't think anybody there was. 00:14:31.075 --> 00:14:38.510 I didn't take it that anybody was HR, but but I could be completely, completely wrong on that, is it? 00:14:38.510 --> 00:14:44.610 It really it looks like this Robin manager is like the restaurant manager and things like that. 00:14:44.610 --> 00:14:51.493 So yeah, but one of the things I wanted to point out is my number. 00:14:51.493 --> 00:14:53.106 This is the first thing I wrote down. 00:14:53.106 --> 00:15:04.695 This reinforces the point Always assume your employees are recording you, because they're serotypically recording you, especially in these things. 00:15:05.179 --> 00:15:08.070 And then JJ knew what he was doing. 00:15:08.070 --> 00:15:18.519 Why would you go in there recording it if you're going to have a subtle conversation with your manager and we don't know what transpired before he started recording. 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:21.769 But why are you going to go in there recording to complain? 00:15:21.769 --> 00:15:24.690 Hey, why did you knock on the door my neighbor's door so much? 00:15:24.690 --> 00:15:31.264 She did it for five minutes and left and came back and banged on the door again, or something like that, and things like that. 00:15:31.303 --> 00:15:32.909 Hey, that's not cool. 00:15:32.909 --> 00:15:50.245 He went in there with an agenda and he was going to stir the pot and I think, probably because he worked there, he knew the reaction he was going to get from Robin if not Robin and Jeff, who are the evil doers in this, the management team that are evil doers in there. 00:15:50.245 --> 00:16:12.323 So he knew what he was doing, he got the reaction he wanted and he is extremely, extremely far from innocent on this at so, yeah, he's not innocent, but I'm Robin, I'm assuming as a manager, this Jeff guy, I'm assuming as a manager. 00:16:12.323 --> 00:16:21.566 They, they took a bad situation and let's say, hey, here's some gasoline, let's let's see if we can make this, light it on fire. 00:16:21.947 --> 00:16:22.951 Yeah, what can we do? 00:16:22.951 --> 00:16:23.908 What could we do to make this work? 00:16:23.908 --> 00:16:24.592 So fire, yeah, what can we do? 00:16:24.592 --> 00:16:25.360 What could we do to make this worse? 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:28.773 So I'll let you continue from there so then like they walk. 00:16:28.854 --> 00:16:35.610 So first of all she's like blatantly lying, like oh my god, he's yelling at me, which I'm like, okay, I think let's calm down. 00:16:35.610 --> 00:16:42.548 And then again, like he sits down and they start talking, he's frustrated, frustrated. 00:16:42.548 --> 00:16:49.605 So in his voice he is frustrated, but he is being quiet, like he's not yelling. 00:16:49.605 --> 00:16:56.090 No, he's not like getting in anyone's faces, he's sitting where Jeff told him to sit. 00:16:57.321 --> 00:16:58.586 And Jeff pulled out a chair for him. 00:16:59.260 --> 00:17:11.218 He pulled out a chair for him, he sat down and they're having this conversation and, like, the whole conversation has to do with like, oh, specifically, robin robin has no respect for the employees. 00:17:11.218 --> 00:17:17.691 The employees are afraid to speak out because they're eight, they're on j1 j1. 00:17:17.750 --> 00:17:33.766 They're j1 employees, so they feel like if they speak up, they're gonna get fired and sent back, like they're going to lose their visa and then just like all this stuff, and it's like we give you feedback but you don't hear the feedback and you don't care because you don't care about us. 00:17:33.766 --> 00:17:41.025 So that's why, like I hear, like I heard what you were saying before, but this is like I feel like this is a long time brewing. 00:17:41.086 --> 00:17:49.205 So I do think you're right, jj knew what he was doing by bringing the camera in to be like I need you know. 00:17:49.205 --> 00:17:53.874 I don't know why he did it, just to make this video, maybe who knows. 00:17:53.874 --> 00:18:09.055 But at the same time, like this has been brewing because they also mentioned some players, like like previously, especially like one particular woman who just recently got fired, izzy and it's just like he's just basically saying you don't care, you don't care. 00:18:09.055 --> 00:18:23.288 And then he turns to Jeff and he said, jeff, like we've been giving you feedback, and Jeff turns around and gas on the damn fire, jeff, he just is like well, you're just a bartender. 00:18:25.053 --> 00:18:25.273 Yes. 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:35.032 To which anybody, I want to say, the only people who say you're just a bartender or you're just a server or you're just. 00:18:35.032 --> 00:18:37.958 This has never worked in the hospitality industry. 00:18:39.180 --> 00:18:39.299 Yeah. 00:18:39.619 --> 00:18:49.195 So like, and also it just my jaw hit the floor when he was just like you're just a bartender, like, how disrespectful are you? 00:18:50.621 --> 00:18:59.474 And, like I said, that's where one of the many bombs went off and JJ sort of lost it at that point. 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:02.026 Oh, I did skip ahead a little bit. 00:19:02.046 --> 00:19:13.681 You're right, yes, but I did want to go back myself to back to Robin giving where they're in the restaurant bar area, and he's talking to her First. 00:19:13.681 --> 00:19:16.101 She gives way too much information, you don't? 00:19:16.101 --> 00:19:20.651 Hey, I need to talk to whoever was in the other room. 00:19:20.651 --> 00:19:21.432 I forget their names. 00:19:21.432 --> 00:19:23.949 I didn't write it down and put it in my notes or anything like that. 00:19:23.949 --> 00:19:30.169 So now telling them oh, they called out sick, both the roommates calling out sick, okay, whatever. 00:19:30.740 --> 00:19:35.998 But she was right when she said this is not between me and you. 00:19:35.998 --> 00:19:37.221 He really wanted to. 00:19:37.221 --> 00:19:39.086 He was pushing the button, this is. 00:19:39.086 --> 00:19:42.192 And then he was going into this is harassment. 00:19:42.192 --> 00:19:43.903 This is harassment. 00:19:43.903 --> 00:19:50.121 And someone not if it was another student banging on the door at 9am, you wouldn't be saying it's harassment. 00:19:50.121 --> 00:19:56.982 You know another J1, I do have from tying this into the last part of I work with J-1s. 00:19:56.982 --> 00:20:03.825 Now, the year after I left, the J-1 laws changed a lot from my understanding and I don't work with them anymore. 00:20:03.825 --> 00:20:07.405 So I don't know all of it, but it did change a lot. 00:20:07.405 --> 00:20:20.349 But she also tells she told him you're going to have to talk to HR and rather than saying okay, I will, and carrying his butt to HR, he follows her as she's sort of running away. 00:20:21.070 --> 00:20:24.531 Now it looked to me like she was quick-stepping it. 00:20:24.531 --> 00:20:31.153 She was not casually strolling into Jeff's office when she goes to say that he's yelling at me. 00:20:31.153 --> 00:20:37.695 So that was one thing that she was absolutely in the wrong for. 00:20:37.695 --> 00:20:39.696 But just say hey, you're going to have a good talk. 00:20:39.696 --> 00:20:40.436 You know, I'm sorry. 00:20:40.436 --> 00:20:41.436 And she apologized. 00:20:41.436 --> 00:20:42.798 And how sincere was it. 00:20:42.798 --> 00:20:45.258 On a scale of 1 to 10, a 2. 00:20:45.258 --> 00:20:45.959 You know she was. 00:20:45.959 --> 00:20:53.676 You know, if I could give it zero stars, I would. 00:20:53.676 --> 00:20:59.353 If I could give it zero stars would, yeah, she, she apologized, but I can a little, a little bit. 00:20:59.353 --> 00:21:04.430 So the manager went to the house and he, she woke everybody up. 00:21:04.430 --> 00:21:05.692 No, she just woke jj up. 00:21:05.692 --> 00:21:07.864 But she's all anti-manager on it. 00:21:07.864 --> 00:21:09.548 And did she have the right to do that? 00:21:09.548 --> 00:21:10.432 Yeah, she has a right. 00:21:10.432 --> 00:21:11.762 Was it the right thing to do? 00:21:11.762 --> 00:21:14.708 May does it, may no mean. 00:21:15.289 --> 00:21:17.513 But she goes on to say how J-1s have to stay there. 00:21:17.513 --> 00:21:23.448 Like I said, the year after I left the water park, the laws changed with J-1s you would have J-1s you would hire from. 00:21:23.448 --> 00:21:30.751 It didn't matter the country or work ethic, they hired, they came, they did their onboarding paperwork and you never saw them again. 00:21:30.751 --> 00:21:31.559 Poof gone. 00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:33.541 They just wanted a trip to the United States. 00:21:33.541 --> 00:21:34.482 You never saw them again, poof gone. 00:21:34.482 --> 00:21:36.223 They just wanted a trip to the United States. 00:21:36.243 --> 00:21:42.890 And a lot of areas that depend on tourism really depend on these J-1 students a lot. 00:21:42.890 --> 00:21:57.090 I mean, when I was there, the water park could not have operated without them because when the summer started in May, high school kids were still in high school, so we needed the J-1s because we didn't have any high school kids. 00:21:57.090 --> 00:21:58.777 Then, as much as I've complained about the high school kids were still in high school, so we needed the j1s because we didn't have any high school kids. 00:21:58.777 --> 00:21:59.349 Then, as much as I've complained about the high school kids. 00:21:59.349 --> 00:22:09.047 And then there these people are usually 18 to like 25 ish, and then at the end of the season the high schoolers and some of the american college kids have already gone back to school. 00:22:09.047 --> 00:22:10.109 So we needed them again. 00:22:10.150 --> 00:22:17.744 And you, one thing I learned you you vary up the countries you bring students in from because they have different start times. 00:22:17.744 --> 00:22:25.381 So you have the country a they can be there when you're opening in may and but they're going to leave in the middle to the late so they can get back to school. 00:22:25.381 --> 00:22:26.542 In country b. 00:22:26.542 --> 00:22:30.332 They start later so you can have them at the ends of your season. 00:22:30.332 --> 00:22:32.827 So there's a little strategy behind it stuff. 00:22:32.827 --> 00:22:35.779 But anyways, she says they have to stay there. 00:22:35.779 --> 00:22:38.285 Technically, yes, but they don't. 00:22:38.285 --> 00:22:46.423 It's not absolute, and this is one thing that drove me nuts about the, about the. 00:22:46.423 --> 00:22:53.806 The host I'm gonna call her ray spader you have two white people and she's using the term. 00:22:53.806 --> 00:22:56.000 They're cornering him in on jeff's office. 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:56.862 They never corn. 00:22:56.862 --> 00:23:06.467 Jeff pulled out my chair and he sat down just because I will say running, I think robin running and acting all afraid and lying on him. 00:23:06.866 --> 00:23:11.123 Maybe that has some racial to it, but she's like oh, a brown person's, I, I. 00:23:11.123 --> 00:23:12.426 There's so much real racism, xenophobia, anti brown person's. 00:23:12.426 --> 00:23:17.038 There's so much real racism, xenophobia, anti-semitism. 00:23:17.038 --> 00:23:18.886 There's so much real stuff out there. 00:23:18.886 --> 00:23:23.371 Let's not go finding it where it might not actually be, especially if she's just. 00:23:23.371 --> 00:23:26.969 I'm not trying to defend Robin in any way, shape or form. 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:28.000 No, no, no, because Robin's horrible at a job. 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:35.260 That's a trigger for me doing, calling something racist just because maybe a white person and a person of color have a disagreement? 00:23:35.260 --> 00:23:36.523 It's not. 00:23:36.523 --> 00:23:40.480 Am I a racist because I don't agree with everything johnny c taylor does at sherm? 00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:49.688 No, I can disagree with johnny c taylor because he says weird things and does weird things dei let's talk about but anyways, you can. 00:23:50.289 --> 00:23:55.709 It doesn't have to be so that the race fading is is a as a trigger. 00:23:55.709 --> 00:23:57.673 I I don't like it. 00:23:57.673 --> 00:23:59.344 So anyways, I'll stop it and I'll. 00:23:59.344 --> 00:24:08.813 I went on much longer than I want to like I said this triggered me at so many levels with that, so I will say like I agree with her. 00:24:09.012 --> 00:24:11.465 I think there are microaggressions happening there. 00:24:11.465 --> 00:24:19.405 I think was out like he's not numbered, but he's one person of color in a room with two white people. 00:24:19.405 --> 00:24:21.349 She's already screaming. 00:24:21.349 --> 00:24:26.694 He's not screaming but she's claiming oh my god, he's yelling at me protect oh, she said it very excitedly. 00:24:27.377 --> 00:24:28.442 She said it very excitedly. 00:24:28.461 --> 00:24:34.482 He's yelling at me, or whatever she was, she was excited like but like, but she wasn't screaming, but she was like he's yelling at me. 00:24:34.482 --> 00:24:52.032 And then in the office there was the other piece that I don't know if you remember, but he was talking, he was frustrated, his volume was not loud I don't really think that anyone else in other offices would be able to clearly hear what he's saying. 00:24:52.032 --> 00:25:02.809 But the guy Jim, jeff or whatever tells him to stop yelling and then he's like I'm not yelling and he goes. 00:25:02.809 --> 00:25:08.488 Well, you need to lower your energy energy and that is. 00:25:09.029 --> 00:25:10.914 that's a microaggression in and of itself. 00:25:10.914 --> 00:25:27.777 You should not like telling a person of color when you're the only one, like when when there's only other white people in the room that they're yelling, that they're attacking, that they're being aggressive when they're not, is in itself, a little bit of a racist act. 00:25:27.777 --> 00:25:30.670 So now, yeah, I understand what you're saying. 00:25:30.670 --> 00:25:36.948 There's a lot of other serious things happening, but these are the reasons why DEI trainings and shit happen. 00:25:36.948 --> 00:26:00.330 Like, like this is why because now, as we're going to see, this is escalating the situation, because what I'm feeling is that JJ is hearing these things and he even I don't know if it was in the same video or a different video, but at the end he does do an update and he makes fun of that line Like the I'm going to lower my energy. 00:26:01.101 --> 00:26:03.088 I was thinking well played. 00:26:03.088 --> 00:26:04.808 I was saying well played JJ. 00:26:04.808 --> 00:26:06.618 When he did that in his update. 00:26:06.618 --> 00:26:09.789 I was like that was really good. 00:26:09.789 --> 00:26:12.588 Like I said, there will be a link to the show in the show notes for this. 00:26:12.588 --> 00:26:24.315 So please, so you get what we're talking about, maybe I'll go in the front at the beginning and I'll edit and I'll say please stop listening to the podcast for five minutes or 40 minutes or however long it is. 00:26:24.315 --> 00:26:27.645 Watch this video and then come back so you have the pre-work. 00:26:28.401 --> 00:26:29.685 This is pre-work for the discussion. 00:26:30.489 --> 00:26:32.486 Yeah, it had a ton of views. 00:26:33.048 --> 00:26:33.328 I do. 00:26:33.328 --> 00:26:41.277 I do believe there is like some racist undertones there, whether they knew it or not, and like that's, I think, the whole point of like these. 00:26:41.277 --> 00:26:47.780 These are like specific trainings that we have to do, that, that certain cultures and and they're gonna have sensitivity to it. 00:26:47.780 --> 00:26:56.515 So maybe you shouldn't, jeff, put gas on the fire and be like like I don't know. 00:26:56.515 --> 00:27:14.969 And then the fact that he called him just a bartender, and then I think everything there's definitely whether it's racial, whether it's just the fact that he's a bartender, whether they think that he's disposable because he's just a bartender, like there's a lot of things here that are just not good. 00:27:15.590 --> 00:27:18.223 And I, yeah, and I, I got a lot of your points and I. 00:27:18.223 --> 00:27:22.061 The microaggressions, yes, I'll say they're there as well. 00:27:22.061 --> 00:27:28.373 But yeah, jeff, he, he threw a couple of gallons of gas in separate times. 00:27:28.373 --> 00:27:30.963 So the first thing was you're just a bartender. 00:27:30.963 --> 00:27:39.048 Then that's when JJ starts reacting, that's it, and and then he starts getting. 00:27:39.048 --> 00:27:42.444 He gets louder, he gets much more vocal and he's. 00:27:42.444 --> 00:27:46.406 He said I don't remember who drops the F bomb first. 00:27:46.406 --> 00:27:47.390 I kind of think it was JJ. 00:27:47.390 --> 00:27:48.483 I don't know, don't put me on that. 00:27:49.621 --> 00:27:52.229 And then Jeff goes, get the fuck out of my office. 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:55.007 Get out of my office and pack your bags. 00:27:55.749 --> 00:28:01.972 Yeah, and he and he, and at that point, regardless, you got to get out of the office. 00:28:01.972 --> 00:28:04.748 And yeah, but they, but Jeff doesn't. 00:28:04.748 --> 00:28:08.009 Jeff continues the conversation for some time after that. 00:28:08.009 --> 00:28:15.465 If you're, if you told him to get the fuck out of my office and you continue the conversation, you're inviting anything that follows after 're? 00:28:15.465 --> 00:28:16.809 It's just you're inviting it. 00:28:16.809 --> 00:28:20.599 So he was not managing the situation well at all. 00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:31.767 But the only defense I'll say for j or jeff is he, robin wasn't completely blindsided in this, jeff was, and I don't know. 00:28:31.767 --> 00:28:38.286 But yeah, if you're going to say get the fuck out of my office, fine, say get the fuck out of my office, I don't if sometimes you need to. 00:28:38.286 --> 00:28:43.845 But once you say that they're dead to you, you don't continue the conversation. 00:28:43.845 --> 00:28:50.948 And if you need them to leave, you can say I need you to leave or I'm going to call security, but don't play there. 00:28:50.948 --> 00:28:54.863 If that's the stand you're going to take, you take that stand he by saying get the fuck out of my office. 00:28:54.863 --> 00:28:55.805 That's the standard we're going to take. 00:28:55.805 --> 00:29:02.694 You take that stand he, he by saying get the fuck out of my office, that's your Hill, you're about to die on, and by continuing it you're. 00:29:02.694 --> 00:29:05.313 You're not doing yourself any favor. 00:29:05.313 --> 00:29:08.026 I don't think that, so I'll let you continue. 00:29:08.026 --> 00:29:09.806 You're doing a better job than I can with this. 00:29:10.588 --> 00:29:18.923 Yeah, so then they go out of the office. 00:29:18.923 --> 00:29:20.588 Now they're having a very loud discussion in like the. 00:29:20.588 --> 00:29:21.511 I don't know where the copy machine is. 00:29:21.531 --> 00:29:29.373 Where there's other offices around and the way I don't know if you noticed, but the weird part was is like at this point I think jj's like, well, I'm getting fired. 00:29:29.373 --> 00:29:32.067 So this is my moment, this is my. 00:29:32.067 --> 00:29:33.050 What is that movie? 00:29:33.050 --> 00:29:35.680 Shit, you're gonna have to edit that what. 00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:48.951 It was like the stoner movie and he's like fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, you're cool, fuck you anyway oh gosh, yeah, I forget which one that is yeah, I know what you're saying. 00:29:48.971 --> 00:30:00.288 I remembered it so anyway, you could edit that out, but this is his moment to just basically light everything on fire and say like screw you, screw you, you're cool. 00:30:00.288 --> 00:30:03.074 And he basically just let it loose about how. 00:30:03.074 --> 00:30:17.502 Oh, and I did forget to mention that jj is a us citizen, so at this point, right, wrong or indifferent, he's using this as an opportunity to what he believes is to stand up for the jay ones. 00:30:17.502 --> 00:30:26.847 And they're like working, like just kind of their working conditions and and her leadership style and how she's rude and disrespectful. 00:30:26.847 --> 00:30:28.853 So that goes on for a little bit. 00:30:29.339 --> 00:30:33.384 And then I thought this was really weird and kind of cringy because we were talking about it before. 00:30:33.384 --> 00:30:50.548 Like again, it's two white people standing across from one person of color and he like turns to her and like kind of pats her on the shoulder like they're there, and he says you shouldn't be talking to, you shouldn't be hearing this, you shouldn't be talking to her like this. 00:30:50.548 --> 00:30:53.722 And I was like that's just weird. 00:30:53.722 --> 00:30:59.347 Like you should have excused her from the get-go, like you should have just kicked her out of the office. 00:30:59.347 --> 00:31:02.221 Like now you're gonna make a show like they're there. 00:31:02.221 --> 00:31:03.845 They're there, my sweet little lamb. 00:31:03.845 --> 00:31:08.401 Like you should not hear this and you know, and before then. 00:31:08.741 --> 00:31:14.932 So robin leaves the well jj's, he's decided the bridge is going down and he's like you're. 00:31:14.932 --> 00:31:39.984 He's telling Robin, you're a piece of shit, you know, he's going way off on her and I guess she gets up on her own and leaves the office and then she hasn't said a word with this and I don't remember how she came back and I don't remember how she came back. 00:31:39.984 --> 00:31:41.210 But then Jeff and her leave together, together. 00:31:41.210 --> 00:31:57.554 It was like something along the lines and I could be way off that, oh, if you're not gonna leave, we'll take they both, jeff and Robin leave into that little common area with a copier and a water cooler and things, and it's still going on and yeah, he's, he's, he's anyways, he's just going on. 00:31:57.554 --> 00:32:00.730 But I gave back to some critiques on Robin and Jeff. 00:32:00.730 --> 00:32:03.967 I'm going to give my critiques now on a little bit more. 00:32:03.967 --> 00:32:05.109 On JJ. 00:32:05.109 --> 00:32:06.192 I talked about it. 00:32:06.192 --> 00:32:12.348 It's not harassment, you just didn't like they're knocking on the door and he says you can't go knocking on people's doors. 00:32:12.348 --> 00:32:13.441 That's not how you can. 00:32:13.861 --> 00:32:25.705 And in a lot of these facilities and, like I said, one of the laws I knew did change with J-1s, where in the Outer Banks of North Carolina the residents host families and they charge these kids rent. 00:32:25.705 --> 00:32:29.627 I say kids, the students rent for living in the house. 00:32:29.627 --> 00:32:37.471 That changed where the company that was sponsoring their visa had to provide housing for them. 00:32:37.471 --> 00:32:45.695 They could charge rent for the housing if they wanted to Some did, some didn't but they couldn't put them up in a host family any longer. 00:32:45.695 --> 00:32:46.435 That was another thing. 00:32:46.435 --> 00:32:53.807 But a lot of places before had these dormitories for the J-1 students, a lot of the big resorts and things like that. 00:32:53.807 --> 00:32:59.920 So it's probably on the property there that they're living, I'm imagining, or if not, right across the street for it, so you can do it. 00:33:00.382 --> 00:33:05.621 Yeah, I'm like I don't know what the laws are, Like that's not my like, I don't know what you can and can't do. 00:33:05.621 --> 00:33:15.374 I'm going to assume there's probably something and some kind of a housing agreement that says like there's stuff there that they can, maybe not. 00:33:15.374 --> 00:33:15.734 I don't know. 00:33:15.734 --> 00:33:20.369 I'm going to assume there's a housing agreement that has to be signed yeah, they're, they're at least. 00:33:20.490 --> 00:33:22.623 Let's just say from my experience there should be one. 00:33:22.623 --> 00:33:25.809 That's a whole nother story. 00:33:25.809 --> 00:33:32.188 But then the one thing jj complained about the managers are telling people to get up, get out, out, get moving. 00:33:32.188 --> 00:33:38.366 I wrote this down, clock in, clock out, and I put that's called managing, that's called managing. 00:33:38.366 --> 00:33:40.332 That is true, that is true. 00:33:41.381 --> 00:33:49.909 One of the things that and it wasn't unique to J1s, actually the one that started this that our old timekeeping system that they use. 00:33:49.909 --> 00:33:53.402 After seven minutes you were paying 15 minute increments. 00:33:53.402 --> 00:33:54.772 So after seven minutes you got another 15 minute increments. 00:33:54.772 --> 00:33:56.182 So after seven minutes you got another 15. 00:33:56.182 --> 00:34:00.799 So people were clocking in eight minutes early, so they would get 15 minutes. 00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:09.159 And they hung out in the room where the time clocks were until seven after to clock. 00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:10.541 They weren't doing any work. 00:34:10.541 --> 00:34:14.972 They're waiting for the clock to say seven after, so they can clock out and get that extra 15 minutes. 00:34:14.972 --> 00:34:20.789 And we actually started being in the room where you clock in and clock out. 00:34:20.789 --> 00:34:33.536 You're done, you're clocking out now Because imagine 200 people not 200 at shift, but 100 plus people at shift each taking, getting another 15 minutes of under time just by sitting there. 00:34:34.483 --> 00:34:37.005 No, you're not doing that, you're not just sitting there waiting for the clock. 00:34:37.005 --> 00:34:44.579 So I don't know exactly what context is, but I, from my experience, I can see that happening get out, get moving, clock in, clock out, whatever. 00:34:44.579 --> 00:34:47.166 I can see that yeah, I'm gonna. 00:34:47.226 --> 00:34:49.391 I'm reading between the lines with what he's saying. 00:34:49.471 --> 00:34:55.092 I don't, I'm like it's probably worse than that I think it's probably worse than that. 00:34:55.211 --> 00:35:00.496 I think, again, this is just my interpretation of a story, like of a recording. 00:35:00.496 --> 00:35:28.826 We don't have any more context, but there there just seems to be this feeling of they're not like respect, like the people who work there are not seen or respected really, and they, they feel that that's what I'm getting, and I think that it's especially from Robin, who probably is just like the clock in, clock out queen, but I don't know if she's like like I say I don't get, I don't, I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling from the two of these. 00:35:29.708 --> 00:35:31.050 No, definitely I'm not. 00:35:31.490 --> 00:35:38.061 And I, oh, go ahead, oh, no, go you. 00:35:38.061 --> 00:35:39.864 No, I was just saying like I don't get the warm and fuzzy feeling. 00:35:39.864 --> 00:35:48.306