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Welcome to our little safe zone
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Welcome to Jaded HR.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Jaded HR,
the podcast by three HR

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professionals who want to help
you get through the workday by

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saying everything you're
thinking, but say it out loud.

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I'm Warren.

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Speaker 3: I'm Cece, I'm Bill,
all righty.

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Speaker 2: We have a special
guest.

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It's Bill.

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You hear us talk about every
episode as our Patreon supporter

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, and a couple of weeks ago,
bill shot me a message about a

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really cool story and I had to
reach out to him to invite him

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to be on board, and he was able
to join us.

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So thank you very much for
joining us, bill, and I'll go

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ahead and use this time, too, to
give a shout out to our other

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Patreon supporters Hallie, the
original Jaded HR, rockstar and

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Mike.

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So yeah, so first for everybody,
we love feedback from listeners

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We don't get a boatload of it,
we don't get much at all, but it

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seems like it comes in waves.

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If you will, and hopefully this
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feedback from listeners.

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Boatload of it, we don't get
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it comes in waves.

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If you will, and hopefully this
will start a new wave of

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feedback from listeners, if you
have a crazy story, an antic or

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something like that that you
want to tell, let us know.

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Some people wanted to be on the
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Other people have not wanted to
be on the show when I reach out

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to them to tell their story.

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But yeah, let us know, we will
have you on board.

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So, bill, thank you very much
for joining us.

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I mean this is great and
personally, thank you for

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supporting the show for this
time on Patreon, because it

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helps.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's been a
great listen.

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You know you guys.

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When I found you guys, I was
looking for somebody to give me

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some advice on how to be an HR
manager.

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I've only been doing it for a
couple of years, but you guys

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hit a different need.

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I needed to hear about people
who had the same problems that I

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did.

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Speaker 2: Exactly and I don't
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too unique to any of us.

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Like we said, the poop rite of
passage If you haven't dealt

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with poop, you're not in HR yet.

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Be poop, there will be poop.

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Speaker 3: There will be, there
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Speaker 2: And it thinks like
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It's just.

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There's a billion other shows
out there.

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If you want to learn, actually
learn something, there's a.

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There's a hundred.

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I've listened to many of them,
or not many of them, quite a few

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of them.

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Of the ones that give actual
advice, my favorite, I'll go

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ahead and say, is Good Morning
HR with Mike Coffey, who was on

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with us in December.

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That's my favorite one to
actually learn from.

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But you have Kyle Road and
Rebel HR and other great ones

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that you can actually learn
something on HR Besties.

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You can learn from them as well
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Yeah, you can learn from them,
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us, but yeah, so, bill, tell us
why you're here.

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Speaker 3: So, so a couple of
weeks ago you guys were going I

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don't even remember what the
topics was, it was like two or

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three sessions ago but and I was
like you know what I just got

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to share this story because it's
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It's a, it's a this year story
and of course, there's been some

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updates to this story since I
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But I'll go ahead and start at
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We have a division of the
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It's about 300 and something
people spread across four

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different locations, but the
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area where I'm located with the
headquarters, and there's about

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180 people in this building.

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It's a new building, so there's
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We've moved in recently and one
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building comes to me and goes
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some stuff, and she just starts
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rumors that are going around the
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women's restroom doing lines of
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Speaker 4: I mean great question
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Speaker 3: I've got stories
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But how do you know it's Coke
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And then they're telling me, me
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residue and all that kind of
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So I I was like, well, maybe
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misunderstanding of what's going
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red, the red sharps boxes in
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who had a problem dropping their
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something like that.

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And then she was like there's
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I was like, oh no, she goes.

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There is sounds of pleasure
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several times a week.

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And I'm like, oh my god, what,
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I was like this is just
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having a rough day in the
restroom, whatever right.

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And I was like she goes well,
are you gonna do anything?

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I was like she goes well, are
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I was like, absolutely not.

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I'm not going to touch that one
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out of that situation that will
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Speaker 2: Okay, especially as
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that in a women's restroom,
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automatically, yeah, so now?

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Why are you so concerned?

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Speaker 4: women's restroom
you're going to be the creepster

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automatically, just yeah.

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So now, why are you so?

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Well, now there's the setup
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It's about six or seven o'clock
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I get a call from the senior
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Hey, we'll call you tomorrow.

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We'll give you some more
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our junior program managers pull
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and ask them individually if
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women's restroom shit yes
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I may have used a few more
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So, of course, come in the next
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boss and who I work for, the CFO
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what do we do?

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I was like, well, we're going
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That's, that's the first thing
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We do need to do some sort of
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clean, but he's going to get
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cooperates.

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That story, yeah, oh my gosh.

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And so I went over to the
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the ladies that got dimed out
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the whole story.

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And what it turns out is this
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it upon himself Monday morning
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Now he has eight people who
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Seven of them are women and he
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were the four better looking of
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Speaker 4: Oh my God, it just
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Women can't do that.

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Speaker 1: Nope Ugly women can't
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Speaker 3: So I talked to each
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supervisor.

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It turns out that he did that
and then an hour later went into

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his supervisor's office and was
like, hey, I think we should do

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circumstances, no.

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And it was about four or five
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one of the women finally went to
her to the boss and was like

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hey, this happened today and
that's when it all went downhill

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So Tuesday, I roll in, I get the
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The four women all rogered up.

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Yep, this is exactly what
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I went back to my boss and I
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away, there's no way to salvage
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So in the middle of it, this is
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complaints.

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By the way, 15 sexual
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days, hey, different complaints
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complaints, right.

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And most of them were just like
petty, like oh, look, hr is in

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the building taking care of this
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Maybe they'll listen to this
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away, right?

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So the next one was I was in
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program managers pulls me inside
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Hey, one of our admins just
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program manager that she works
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recommendations about lingerie.

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I'm like no, no, no, no.

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She gave me her statement and
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They had formed a friendship
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different kind of friendship and
that he could ask some advice

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about lingerie that he needed
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And I told him yeah, that
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Guy's been doing being a
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Speaker 4: You're dumb oh my
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Speaker 3: So then of course,
the girl who made the complaint

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didn't like how we handled that
situation, because we fired the

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one guy, but we didn't fire this
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She sent an email out to
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Basically saying how she was
unhappy, and I mean, everybody

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in the building got this email.

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It was printed on email.

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It was probably three pages
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management was.

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That's unfortunate.

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A week after that, of course,
the story just keeps building on

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itself, right?

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Because we still have to figure
out the whole masturbation and

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coke lines in the bathroom
problem, right?

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Speaker 4: We didn't even figure
that out.

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Speaker 3: We haven't yet, but
that's coming.

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Oh wait, there's more.

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I have a lady check out that
works in that building and she's

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like telling me.

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I was like and the last
question I ask anytime I'm doing

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an exit interview is there
anything you would like to tell

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me that you didn't feel
comfortable telling anybody else

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Your name won't get used if I
have to take action because

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you're no longer here, so it's
not a big deal.

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She dad had dumped on me and one
of the things that she gave me

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the name of the person doing
coke lines on the in the

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bathroom and how she had been
caught like, walked in on doing

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the coke lines and I was like,
oh okay, so I go down there.

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And I was told went to the
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I was like, hey, this is what
I'm going to do.

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I'm going to pull her in with a
witness, another a female

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witness, preferably her boss,
who, strangely enough, is the

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boss in the whole story.

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And I'm going to pull her in
with a witness, another female

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witness, preferably her boss,
who, strangely enough, is the

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boss in the whole story.

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And I'm going to ask her if
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the bathroom floor or a bathroom
counter.

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And if she says yes, we'll have
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If it's positive, we'll use our
EAP, get her into a drug

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treatment program and, depending
on if she passes the drug

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treatment program, we'll allow
her to come in to work for us

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without any adverse action and
they're like okay, if she says

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no, I'm still going to send her
to do a drug screening, but at

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that point she's suspended until
I get the results back.

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And this is on a friday, so I'd
get the results back on monday

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and if she's positive, we
terminate her immediately.

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If she's positive, we terminate
her immediately.

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If she's not positive, we go on
like nothing happened.

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And she can be mad at me Not a
big deal, right?

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I'm the guy they pay to get mad
at.

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So I had her, she said, of
course.

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She said, no, I don't do drugs.

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I don't do drugs in the
bathroom, not at all.

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No, I do them in my office and
so I'm like okay, well, in

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accordance with our drug policy,
I am authorized to send you for

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a command or a company directed
your analysis and you will go.

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And you will go to this
location.

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Your supervisor is going to
escort you, right, because I

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learned that lesson 30 years ago
and we'll get the results on

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monday and you're just going to
go home after you do the drug

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screening and I'll call you in
on monday or tuesday when we get

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the results on Monday, and
you're just going to go home

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after you do the drug screening
and I'll call you in on Monday

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or Tuesday when we get the
results back.

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She's like okay, and she goes
well.

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Can I ask some questions now?

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I was like sure, no problem,
right?

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I want to make sure it's all
clear and transparent.

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She goes well.

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Who told you they saw me doing
drugs in the bathroom?

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I was like what she goes, yeah.

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Who told you that?

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I was like I'm not going to
tell you that and in the back of

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my head I'm like that
automatically means that you

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know you did it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just
going to say we didn't say that

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anyone locked in on you, and so
now I'm thinking she did it.

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Speaker 3: I got my law degree
from Law Order.

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Speaker 4: I know how this works
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Speaker 3: So I'm expecting now
her drug screening to come back

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positive for something.

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Her supervisor and her get over
there.

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I get a call.

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I'm in the middle of shoving
Mission BBQ in my face because

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it's lunchtime and I answer the
phone and the supervisor's like

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she doesn't want to do the drug
screening.

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I was like, okay, well, here's
her choice.

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She can do the drug screening
and run the risk that she's

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going to get terminated with a
positive, or she can be

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terminated now for refusal to do
the drug screening in

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accordance with our policy.

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And so the lady quit.

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That day turns out she was both
our coke line user on the

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bathroom counter and our women's
restroom masturbator.

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Oh, she was both.

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She was both.

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She was both.

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What a twist.

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So she was going in the
restroom getting high, getting

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high and then rubbing one out
yeah.

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Speaker 4: Oh my.

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Speaker 1: God.

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Speaker 2: And cocaine.

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It's almost like it's a passe
drug now.

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You know, in the 90s and 80s, I
was like is it the?

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Speaker 3: 80s again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, robin Williams'
line cocaine is God's message

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to you that you have too much
money.

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But if it weren't, for cocaine,
saturday Night Live would never

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have been a thing, that's true.

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Speaker 3: Right, some of my
favorite comics would have never

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been comics.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: That's so funny.

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That is insane.

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I didn't expect the twist at
the end.

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So she, that is insane, I
didn't expect the twist at the

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end.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one fell swoop,
we got two rumors killed.

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Speaker 2: So, and I have to ask
was she one of the four good

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looking women or one of the
three non?

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Speaker 3: good looking women,
um.

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Of the four women, she was
probably the better of the four.

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However, you could tell like I
have some background.

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I did 25 years in the United
States Navy.

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One of the things that I did
was deal with people and their

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criminal mishaps while active
duty and you can tell when

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someone's using drugs, like I
didn't have to ask her the

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questions to know she was going
to lie to me.

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There were the signs, right.

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Yeah, the sunken, sallow face.

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She'd lost weight.

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She was like stupid stick
skinny because you know Coke

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does that to you.

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Yeah, oh gosh.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it was
Wow.

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See, I think you get some sort
of award because you had like a

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mix of like 10 things all in one
scenario.

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You know, bathroom, you don't
have to go as far as poop but

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bathroom stuff, masturbation,
drugs, lingerie harassment.

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Speaker 4: I mean, wow, that
would be like one really great

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episode of an HR sitcom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it would.

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It would be like you couldn't,
you could.

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How do you do episode two?

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What do we do next?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't run
that as the pilot episode,

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that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's oh wow.

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And see, I honestly fully
believe and I think every

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listener will fully believe
every word of what you're saying

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, because we've been there,
we've done that Maybe not

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exactly, but we could see that
happening Whereas someone who

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doesn't do HR is like what are
you talking about?

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You're full of shit, you know,
or something like that.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's like my
COO hates to see me Monday

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morning.

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I try not to go to his office
first thing Monday morning,

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because when I walk in there
first thing Monday morning it's

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stuff like this as we leave, he
goes.

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You just can't make this up,
can you?

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Speaker 2: No, you can't, you
really really can't.

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Speaker 4: Oh, man you do
deserve an award that was

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awesome.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully since then,
your work is getting, you know,

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less exciting for a little
while.

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Speaker 3: For about 30 days and
then it came back with a

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vengeance.

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Oh boy, yeah, some of those
players.

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The lady that rage quit in the
middle of all that.

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She wrote an EOC complaint.

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So we've got that going for us.

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Speaker 4: That's unfortunate.

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Speaker 2: Fun stuff.

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Well, you know, that is very
lightning of a story, but let's

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see if we can keep things going
from there.

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So, cece, we didn't get to all
of our stories last episode and

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we recorded I was saying off the
air, we recorded for an hour

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and 40 minutes.

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I think we got the episode down
.

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I got it down to like an hour
and 15 minutes or something like

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that, hour 10, hour 15.

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So we missed one of the stories
.

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So what employee behaving badly
do you have?

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Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so this was
like a few weeks ago.

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Do you have, oh my gosh.

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Okay, so this was like a few
weeks ago.

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There was a individual who,
just you know, loves to have a

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social media presence and loves
to do a day in my life video

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blogs as she's working.

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So this was an individual who
is a store manager inside of a

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Mac cosmetics that was inside of
the LAX airport and she did a

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lot of these a day in my life
vlogs through her entire career

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as a Mac cosmetics
representative, and I guess she

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got called in at a no in the
middle of her.

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By the way, it was in the middle
of her day in my life, which I

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thought was so what a great day
it was such a great day because

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she did get fired like in the
middle of her day in my life,

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and all of her mac mascara was
like running down her face as

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she was carrying her box out,
like it was very dramatic.

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But apparently what she was
doing was she was videotaping

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everything like, everything Like
.

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She was videotaping and
recording and capturing her

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pulling up to the employee
parking lot.

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She dangled her badge in front
of the camera before she scanned

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it.

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In giving everyone a clear view
of, like what that security was

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.

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That security was, she showed
herself going in to like their

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back office, getting the money
out of the safe, putting the

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money in the canister, showing
people what that canister looked

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like.

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So if you were walking to the
LAX like airport and you saw

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like this very particular
briefcase, you knew there was

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cash in there.

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But she was timestamping
everything so people could

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follow her.

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Basically, and the best part was
and this is my favorite she

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actually recorded herself like
logging into the POS, which, if

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you could slow it down, you can
see her employee code.

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You could see everything.

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So, anyway, oh, and she also
recorded herself taking a nap in

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the back, which was but I just
wanted to, you know, just kind

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of throw that out there and
being and saying like you don't

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need to record everything, like
we should know less of each

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other, I don't need to know like
you going to work in the

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morning, let's just all take a
step back and put the phones

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down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah I don't know
about you guys, but there's

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things in my 20s that I'm glad
there's no photographic evidence

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of honestly exactly yes,
exactly there is definitely.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I was talking
about this with someone,

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actually there was that.

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It's so funny you brought it up
.

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It was one of those like
generational things, like gen c

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doesn't know what it's like, but
honestly, like we I think they

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said millennials are the last
generation to know life before

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social media and like we had the
freedom to act like fools and

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not have everyone record us.

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Like we had like that luxury.

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So anyway, put your phones away
when you're at work.

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Just put them away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like put them
away Apparently at my work

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there's someone whose desk is
not far from mine, who I've

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never known, is doing social
media videos and everything.

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And another employee said oh, I
saw you walking behind this

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person's desk while they were
doing a social media thing.

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I'm like what are you?

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I'm like, really, they're
recording social media stuff,

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did I mean?

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Speaker 3: anyways, that's I
would say I would say about

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every six months I have that
conversation with my team like

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hey, you guys understand that
back here is not a place to

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record, or you want to have
private phone calls go outside.

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But but this is HR, lots of
things happen in here and it

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doesn't need to leave HR.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: One person I've
worked with very briefly for two

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times, but she had this rule
that I've carried with me ever

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since the four walls rule, and
within these four HR walls we

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can say and do all sorts of
abhorrent shit that vent

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ourselves the HR safe space.

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Yes, If we want to say that
Warren is the dumbest ass

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employee, what the fuck did
Warren do today?

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00:21:37,032 --> 00:21:40,763
Oh my gosh, we can say that as
loud and with as much tone and

472
00:21:40,824 --> 00:21:45,551
attitude with each other as we
need just to get it off and be

473
00:21:46,153 --> 00:21:49,723
you know, get that out of your
system so you don't say it to

474
00:21:49,744 --> 00:21:50,826
the employee themselves.

475
00:21:50,826 --> 00:21:54,844
And I love that rule and it led
to a lot of great conversations

476
00:21:54,844 --> 00:21:55,946
the four walls rule.

477
00:21:56,508 --> 00:21:57,509
Speaker 4: Laughing.

478
00:21:57,509 --> 00:21:59,701
One of my really good friends,
her husband, just started with

479
00:21:59,741 --> 00:22:03,811
an Australian based company and
he says like their work culture

480
00:22:03,852 --> 00:22:07,123
at this specific company is very
different, like people are

481
00:22:07,143 --> 00:22:10,550
throwing the c word around and
like all it's very lax.

482
00:22:10,550 --> 00:22:15,385
And he was in a meeting one day
and someone said they, they

483
00:22:15,425 --> 00:22:21,862
called someone lasagna okay as a
nickname and they're like yeah,

484
00:22:21,862 --> 00:22:24,990
he doesn't know, that's his
nickname and they're like why is

485
00:22:24,990 --> 00:22:25,171
it?

486
00:22:25,299 --> 00:22:29,190
lasagna and someone said because
I'm not gonna do an australian

487
00:22:29,289 --> 00:22:32,284
accent because I'll kill it but
he said his, his head's so

488
00:22:32,443 --> 00:22:40,199
fucking baked he can't get shit
done oh man I don't know why.

489
00:22:40,199 --> 00:22:42,702
The four walls just reminded me
of that and I thought that was

490
00:22:42,722 --> 00:22:43,483
was hilarious.

491
00:22:43,483 --> 00:22:46,347
His head's so fucking baked he
can't get shit done.

492
00:22:47,670 --> 00:22:48,131
Speaker 2: Let's see here.

493
00:22:48,131 --> 00:22:50,374
So the news.

494
00:22:50,374 --> 00:22:54,005
I'm going to keep the theme
going of people behaving badly

495
00:22:54,625 --> 00:22:57,731
and we have two really good
examples since our last

496
00:22:57,771 --> 00:23:02,407
recording of people behaving
badly, and I'm not going to I

497
00:23:02,428 --> 00:23:04,673
don't I don't even know if the
guy's name was released.

498
00:23:04,673 --> 00:23:10,369
He was the polish ceo who was
at the us open and the polish

499
00:23:10,450 --> 00:23:12,942
tennis player and I don't follow
tennis at all people, so I'm

500
00:23:12,962 --> 00:23:16,355
not going to go with the names,
but he was giving out, signing

501
00:23:16,416 --> 00:23:20,943
autographs and giving things
away and he hands this cap to

502
00:23:20,984 --> 00:23:21,444
this kid.

503
00:23:21,444 --> 00:23:24,608
Looks like he's 10, 12 years
old, but this Polish CEO

504
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:30,115
snatches it from the tennis
player's hand and then gives it

505
00:23:30,155 --> 00:23:30,756
to his girlfriend.

506
00:23:30,756 --> 00:23:35,050
He's like oh, he's the cat that
ate the canary happy, and he's

507
00:23:35,111 --> 00:23:35,811
all this and that.

508
00:23:35,811 --> 00:23:41,383
And the kid's like giving him
just, you know, you monster type

509
00:23:41,383 --> 00:23:42,384
, look type thing.

510
00:23:42,384 --> 00:23:43,865
You monster type, look type
thing.

511
00:23:43,865 --> 00:23:47,186
And that CEO later released a
statement and saying you know he

512
00:23:47,186 --> 00:23:51,890
didn't realize that the hat was
intended for the kid.

513
00:23:52,590 --> 00:23:55,692
Speaker 4: Oh no, he knew, he
knew, just watching every minute

514
00:23:55,692 --> 00:23:58,355
of that he knew every second of
what he was doing.

515
00:23:58,835 --> 00:24:02,557
Speaker 2: So you know that's
just total bullshit with that

516
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:04,861
and that irritated me.

517
00:24:04,861 --> 00:24:08,791
But at least he had the
gumption to acknowledge the fact

518
00:24:08,791 --> 00:24:10,826
, acknowledge what happened,
even though he might have been

519
00:24:10,866 --> 00:24:11,189
lying.

520
00:24:11,189 --> 00:24:13,948
Oh, I didn't realize it was
intended for the kid.

521
00:24:13,948 --> 00:24:15,487
Yes, it absolutely was.

522
00:24:15,487 --> 00:24:17,386
The whole rest of the world
realized that.

523
00:24:17,386 --> 00:24:18,189
Why couldn't you?

524
00:24:18,189 --> 00:24:25,363
But the more famous one now is
your, philadelphia Karen, and I

525
00:24:25,403 --> 00:24:29,143
just realized I saw another
video about this.

526
00:24:29,143 --> 00:24:30,707
This was in my the.

527
00:24:31,208 --> 00:24:34,718
The home game was in miami, so
they were philly fans down in

528
00:24:34,778 --> 00:24:37,183
miami or florida marlins.

529
00:24:37,183 --> 00:24:41,151
Now I guess you'd say that you
know the, the homeroom ball.

530
00:24:41,151 --> 00:24:42,173
Nobody catches.

531
00:24:42,173 --> 00:24:43,303
It's bouncing around florida.

532
00:24:43,303 --> 00:24:47,786
Dad bends over in front of this
lady, picks it up and gives it

533
00:24:47,826 --> 00:24:50,532
to his son and everybody's all
happy except for that lady who

534
00:24:50,660 --> 00:24:52,384
swore it was hers and she's.

535
00:24:52,384 --> 00:24:55,952
He stole it out of her hand and
he's yelling and she's yelling

536
00:24:55,992 --> 00:25:00,330
and screaming at him and
ultimately the dad just says get

537
00:25:00,330 --> 00:25:03,040
the fuck out of here and gives
the ball back to the lady.

538
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:03,903
It's not worth it.

539
00:25:03,903 --> 00:25:08,912
But now social media says that
she was been identified and been

540
00:25:08,912 --> 00:25:09,753
fired from her job.

541
00:25:09,753 --> 00:25:12,047
If social media is right, she's
a?

542
00:25:12,047 --> 00:25:15,826
Uh works on a school board
somewhere up in New Jersey or

543
00:25:15,887 --> 00:25:16,990
something like that that's.

544
00:25:17,151 --> 00:25:20,125
Speaker 3: That's what I saw,
but then I saw another post the

545
00:25:20,164 --> 00:25:22,289
day after that said that it
wasn't her.

546
00:25:22,289 --> 00:25:24,259
Yeah, oh, so yeah, who the day?

547
00:25:24,279 --> 00:25:26,001
Speaker 2: after that said that
it wasn't her.

548
00:25:26,001 --> 00:25:26,883
Yeah, oh, so yeah, who knows?

549
00:25:26,883 --> 00:25:30,165
But wherever she works,
hopefully she doesn't work there

550
00:25:30,165 --> 00:25:35,471
anymore, because that type of
volatility you know the CEO, he

551
00:25:35,511 --> 00:25:37,473
was just being a jerk and
grabbed a hat there was no

552
00:25:37,614 --> 00:25:40,616
volatility, anger, rage,
whatever in that.

553
00:25:40,616 --> 00:25:44,166
This lady lost her shit
altogether and first it's sort

554
00:25:44,186 --> 00:25:47,542
of par, for course, for a
Phillies fan in any sport, yeah

555
00:25:47,583 --> 00:25:48,887
worst fans ever.

556
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,388
Yeah, and actually I know we
have listeners in Philadelphia.

557
00:25:52,388 --> 00:25:53,290
You know they're going to hate
me.

558
00:25:53,290 --> 00:25:57,147
Philadelphia is one of the
physically dirtiest cities I

559
00:25:57,208 --> 00:25:58,432
think I've ever been in.

560
00:25:58,432 --> 00:26:00,507
Maybe St Louis has got it
topped.

561
00:26:00,507 --> 00:26:02,160
St Louis might have it topped.

562
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:12,040
Sorry, listeners in St Louis,
but a few years ago I went with

563
00:26:12,060 --> 00:26:13,203
my son and we're going around
all the touristy areas in

564
00:26:13,223 --> 00:26:13,986
Philadelphia and there is filth.

565
00:26:13,986 --> 00:26:15,108
We're in like near the Liberty
Bell area.

566
00:26:15,108 --> 00:26:19,922
There is filth everywhere,
needles in public places and

567
00:26:21,023 --> 00:26:22,646
like unhinged crazies.

568
00:26:22,646 --> 00:26:26,012
Out there there was one
unhinged person who was just

569
00:26:26,053 --> 00:26:27,806
going nuts and me and my son
walked into the.

570
00:26:27,806 --> 00:26:28,810
There was a bank nearby.

571
00:26:28,810 --> 00:26:30,318
Hey, let's go into this bank.

572
00:26:30,318 --> 00:26:33,386
We have no business being here,
but I don't think a crazy is

573
00:26:33,406 --> 00:26:36,663
going to come in here and we
just sort of watched him walk by

574
00:26:36,663 --> 00:26:38,669
and we left just because it was
just.

575
00:26:38,669 --> 00:26:43,984
Philadelphia is and I have many
, actual many friends who live

576
00:26:44,306 --> 00:26:45,690
around Philadelphia.

577
00:26:45,690 --> 00:26:49,840
It's just a filthy, dirty,
disgusting little city, not

578
00:26:49,881 --> 00:26:50,986
little city, but it's.

579
00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:53,307
Speaker 4: I was just going to
say you guys need to get your

580
00:26:53,326 --> 00:26:56,865
sports fans in order Because, I
don't know, I heard they also

581
00:26:56,884 --> 00:27:00,133
have a jail in their stadiums
because they just get so rowdy.

582
00:27:00,133 --> 00:27:02,224
Just get your people in order,
yeah.

583
00:27:02,265 --> 00:27:04,029
Speaker 2: Sorry.

584
00:27:04,550 --> 00:27:07,987
Speaker 4: Sorry, that woman,
just being a Phillies fan, was

585
00:27:08,007 --> 00:27:09,471
the icing on the cake it was.

586
00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:12,926
Speaker 3: You know, though, the
team came through, though, and

587
00:27:13,107 --> 00:27:16,545
really they resolved the issue,
and I think, probably one of the

588
00:27:16,545 --> 00:27:18,607
best ways it turns out, it was
the kid's birthday.

589
00:27:19,131 --> 00:27:20,859
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, that day
I didn't love it.

590
00:27:20,940 --> 00:27:27,064
Speaker 3: And so they brought
him like a swag bag, yeah, that

591
00:27:27,027 --> 00:27:27,086
day.

592
00:27:27,086 --> 00:27:27,980
And so they brought him like a
swag bag, yeah, and then the the

593
00:27:27,980 --> 00:27:29,829
team that that was the stadium
brought him a swag bag with a

594
00:27:29,794 --> 00:27:30,212
whole bunch of stuff in it.

595
00:27:30,212 --> 00:27:32,400
And then the team the phillies
actually brought him down after

596
00:27:32,420 --> 00:27:35,871
the game and got got him to get
a signed bat from the guy that

597
00:27:35,891 --> 00:27:36,740
hit the home run.

598
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,369
Speaker 2: Yeah, so and you know
, kudos to both the marlins and

599
00:27:41,390 --> 00:27:43,760
the phillies organizations for
doing that.

600
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,849
Yeah, because, and the thing is
, it's not one of those things

601
00:27:46,869 --> 00:27:49,826
that we're finding out those
players knew what was happening

602
00:27:50,488 --> 00:27:53,727
right then and there, and one of
the screenshots I showed,

603
00:27:53,747 --> 00:27:57,058
they're doing pitch one and it's
a home run and they show all

604
00:27:57,078 --> 00:27:57,440
the commotion.

605
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,646
They do pitch two and they're
going back to the commotion

606
00:28:00,867 --> 00:28:05,141
after the thing and they're
going back and forth and I'm

607
00:28:05,162 --> 00:28:06,878
like geez, lady, you are
completely unhinged.

608
00:28:07,380 --> 00:28:09,150
Speaker 4: It's just the
audacity.

609
00:28:09,150 --> 00:28:12,548
It's the audacity, like that's
my ball.

610
00:28:12,548 --> 00:28:13,851
You gotta be fast.

611
00:28:14,622 --> 00:28:14,721
Speaker 1: And.

612
00:28:14,741 --> 00:28:15,404
Speaker 4: I will say this.

613
00:28:15,404 --> 00:28:20,540
So, mr CEC, uh, like we go to a
few concerts and we've been to

614
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,636
a concert before where, like he
caught the pick of a guitarist

615
00:28:24,656 --> 00:28:28,186
who like threw it, and my and
and mr cc loves to play guitars,

616
00:28:28,186 --> 00:28:32,500
so but he caught the guitar and
there was a kid behind him who

617
00:28:32,539 --> 00:28:35,255
wanted the guitar pick and he
just sucked it up and gave it to

618
00:28:35,255 --> 00:28:40,090
the kid and like it's not that
big of a deal, like I get I'm so

619
00:28:40,090 --> 00:28:42,737
sorry, if you are a sports fan,
it could be that big of a deal.

620
00:28:42,737 --> 00:28:46,364
I get it, people you know, but
I don't know.

621
00:28:46,364 --> 00:28:50,497
So now we have a thing where
whenever we go to see a show, he

622
00:28:50,497 --> 00:28:52,181
brings some fake pics with them
.

623
00:28:52,181 --> 00:28:54,425
So if he catches, the real pic
he will

624
00:28:54,486 --> 00:28:57,659
Speaker 2: give the fake pic to
the child oh, that's what you

625
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:58,520
need to start doing.

626
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,826
You start to you start bringing
fake balls you know now I've

627
00:29:01,792 --> 00:29:02,034
attended.

628
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,009
you know I was a baseball umpire
for 15 years but I've attended

629
00:29:02,974 --> 00:29:03,140
a number.

630
00:29:03,140 --> 00:29:04,008
To start doing you start
bringing fake balls.

631
00:29:04,008 --> 00:29:04,478
You know, now I've attended.

632
00:29:04,478 --> 00:29:07,070
You know I was a baseball
umpire for 15 years but I've

633
00:29:07,112 --> 00:29:08,071
attended a number of games.

634
00:29:08,071 --> 00:29:13,782
I've never been even near a
foul ball or a home run ball in

635
00:29:13,803 --> 00:29:17,221
the stands, never, not close to
it Once.

636
00:29:17,221 --> 00:29:19,787
So I was like, and yeah so.

637
00:29:19,787 --> 00:29:23,020
And then these people who seem
to always be in the right place

638
00:29:23,060 --> 00:29:23,722
at the right time.

639
00:29:24,464 --> 00:29:25,027
Speaker 4: Always yeah.

640
00:29:26,915 --> 00:29:32,295
Speaker 2: So, okay, I've got a
couple of stories here.

641
00:29:32,295 --> 00:29:36,646
One of them I was speaking to
my best friend from junior high

642
00:29:36,934 --> 00:29:40,365
and for those of you who are
younger than me, that's middle

643
00:29:40,404 --> 00:29:40,665
school.

644
00:29:40,665 --> 00:29:45,740
Anyways, he is for the past few
years he's been a director at a

645
00:29:45,740 --> 00:29:50,484
state agency and he got
notification for the first time

646
00:29:50,816 --> 00:29:54,415
since he's been director that
they get to not only hire but

647
00:29:54,696 --> 00:29:55,981
it's adding a headcount.

648
00:29:55,981 --> 00:29:59,260
It's one person, a whopping one
person they're adding to the

649
00:29:59,300 --> 00:30:04,192
headcount and you know he's been
searching and searching and

650
00:30:04,232 --> 00:30:07,082
he's just getting so pissed off
through these interviews.

651
00:30:07,082 --> 00:30:10,992
And you know he's his current
team.

652
00:30:10,992 --> 00:30:13,599
He has got a lot of people with
a one to three years of

653
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:14,080
experience.

654
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,357
He's got like two people in
that five to 10 years of

655
00:30:18,438 --> 00:30:20,823
experience and then everybody
else is like him who've been

656
00:30:21,223 --> 00:30:25,641
doing it for 25 plus years, and
so he wants someone with like

657
00:30:25,962 --> 00:30:29,094
five to 10 years of experience,
that middle ground, to sort of

658
00:30:29,173 --> 00:30:31,358
even out his team a little bit.

659
00:30:32,300 --> 00:30:35,007
But he's doing all these
interviews and he's finding

660
00:30:35,047 --> 00:30:36,048
these people.

661
00:30:36,048 --> 00:30:38,782
He's being sent these resumes
with people with five to 10

662
00:30:38,803 --> 00:30:41,861
years of experience, but they
have one year here, two years

663
00:30:41,941 --> 00:30:46,561
there and he asked them
questions that if someone's been

664
00:30:46,561 --> 00:30:49,316
working in their field for five
to 10 years should know, and

665
00:30:49,355 --> 00:30:50,157
they don't have a clue.

666
00:30:50,157 --> 00:30:53,606
He says they've got one year of
experience, five times and

667
00:30:53,626 --> 00:30:54,115
things like that.

668
00:30:54,115 --> 00:30:57,022
And then the term he used,
which I thought was just

669
00:30:57,103 --> 00:30:58,875
brilliant, I'm going to steal it
from him.

670
00:30:58,875 --> 00:31:00,839
He says they're job tourists.

671
00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:06,101
They come in and they you know,
oh, portland, oregon, so cool

672
00:31:06,181 --> 00:31:06,643
place to go.

673
00:31:06,643 --> 00:31:08,596
I'm going to go there and get a
job and do this for a little

674
00:31:08,615 --> 00:31:08,776
while.

675
00:31:08,776 --> 00:31:11,923
And then, oh, let's go to Santa
Fe, new Mexico, and that's a

676
00:31:11,964 --> 00:31:12,807
cool place to go.

677
00:31:12,807 --> 00:31:16,980
And you know, they just they
jump around not focusing on

678
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:19,403
they're getting jobs, they're
employed, but they're not

679
00:31:19,423 --> 00:31:20,565
focusing on their career.

680
00:31:21,445 --> 00:31:26,516
And the thing is he can hire
either one of two positions and

681
00:31:26,557 --> 00:31:27,721
he's running the problem with
both.

682
00:31:27,721 --> 00:31:29,882
He hasn't decided which way
he's going to go, so he's

683
00:31:29,942 --> 00:31:31,796
advertising both One.

684
00:31:31,796 --> 00:31:34,143
The main thing he really wants
is someone to work out in the

685
00:31:34,182 --> 00:31:38,075
field and do field work, and
that's his first priority.

686
00:31:38,075 --> 00:31:40,858
But if he can't find that, he's
willing to settle Not settle.

687
00:31:40,858 --> 00:31:45,744
But he's also looking at a data
scientist to do the work.

688
00:31:46,165 --> 00:31:55,095
Their field people come in and
do their own data work and he

689
00:31:55,115 --> 00:31:56,337
says I could have more people
out in the field more often.

690
00:31:56,337 --> 00:31:57,820
If I have a data scientist
doing the backend stuff but he

691
00:31:57,881 --> 00:32:02,829
can't find either that they have
know they they're have real

692
00:32:02,869 --> 00:32:03,270
experience.

693
00:32:03,270 --> 00:32:05,319
He's almost at the point where
he's going to go to a college

694
00:32:05,339 --> 00:32:08,452
and just hire an entry level
either way and develop them

695
00:32:08,493 --> 00:32:10,382
himself and he says it sucks
that he's.

696
00:32:10,382 --> 00:32:13,054
Half his team is one to three
years of experience and he

697
00:32:13,094 --> 00:32:16,403
wanted you know some more people
because he wants to be out in

698
00:32:16,423 --> 00:32:19,416
the field and he says with all
these one to three year people

699
00:32:19,877 --> 00:32:22,984
he's training and doing things
like that in the field but he's

700
00:32:23,025 --> 00:32:24,387
not doing the work himself.

701
00:32:24,387 --> 00:32:26,303
So it's just really interesting
.

702
00:32:26,303 --> 00:32:29,765
But I love the term job tourist
with that.

703
00:32:31,939 --> 00:32:33,443
Speaker 3: I guess you can
afford to do that if you don't

704
00:32:33,523 --> 00:32:34,727
have to worry about finances.

705
00:32:35,295 --> 00:32:36,380
Speaker 2: Yeah, bingo.

706
00:32:36,380 --> 00:32:38,541
I think that's the thing.

707
00:32:39,537 --> 00:32:40,361
Speaker 3: There's a good story.

708
00:32:40,361 --> 00:32:42,077
You guys of course know Adam
Sandler.

709
00:32:42,077 --> 00:32:42,538
That's the thing.

710
00:32:42,538 --> 00:32:43,000
There's a good story.

711
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:43,800
You guys of course know Adam
Sandler.

712
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,626
There in the 90s, apparently,
he chose his jobs, the movies

713
00:32:46,646 --> 00:32:50,337
that he was going to do, based
on where they were being filmed,

714
00:32:50,337 --> 00:32:52,403
so that he could take his
family on vacations.

715
00:32:52,403 --> 00:32:53,246
That's funny.

716
00:32:54,617 --> 00:32:56,203
Speaker 2: Hey, if you could do
it.

717
00:32:56,203 --> 00:33:00,201
That's why he's doing 50 First
States in Hawaii and things like

718
00:33:00,201 --> 00:33:00,481
that.

719
00:33:00,994 --> 00:33:03,203
Speaker 4: What was the one that
they went to Africa blended?

720
00:33:03,203 --> 00:33:05,582
Was that the one where it was
like Drew Barrymore and they

721
00:33:05,602 --> 00:33:08,498
were like a blended family and
they like both go like that

722
00:33:08,518 --> 00:33:10,403
would have been a really cool
family vacation, yeah.

723
00:33:12,816 --> 00:33:15,182
Speaker 2: Adam Sandler, drew
Barrymore, in that that 51st

724
00:33:15,201 --> 00:33:17,858
States and those that year, they
did a bunch of Never Been

725
00:33:17,898 --> 00:33:18,220
Kissed.

726
00:33:18,220 --> 00:33:20,454
Was that, yeah, never Been
Kissed?

727
00:33:20,454 --> 00:33:22,175
And a bunch of other cool ones.

728
00:33:22,957 --> 00:33:26,298
Speaker 4: Honestly, this is not
HR related, but I watched Happy

729
00:33:26,298 --> 00:33:26,979
Gilmore 2.

730
00:33:26,979 --> 00:33:32,141
Oh yes, a couple weeks ago I
was delightfully surprised at

731
00:33:32,402 --> 00:33:33,662
how much I enjoyed it.

732
00:33:33,662 --> 00:33:38,144
I was a big Happy Gilmore fan
the original but I just thought

733
00:33:38,345 --> 00:33:41,885
the sequel was just so well done
it was, and all of his

734
00:33:42,026 --> 00:33:45,367
daughters and his wife were in
it and I was like he's such a

735
00:33:45,387 --> 00:33:45,928
good family.

736
00:33:45,948 --> 00:33:50,090
I mean I like I saw him do stand
up like he did like a stand up

737
00:33:50,131 --> 00:33:53,192
show, a live show here and he's
like half singing, half stand up

738
00:33:53,192 --> 00:33:53,192
.

739
00:33:53,192 --> 00:33:55,313
He just seems like such a good
guy.

740
00:33:55,313 --> 00:33:58,721
Yeah, like I really hope he, I
really hope he's not like the

741
00:33:58,761 --> 00:34:00,866
next Dave Grohl who just let us
all down.

742
00:34:02,835 --> 00:34:03,798
Speaker 2: Oh, oh, really hope
he's not like the next dave

743
00:34:03,818 --> 00:34:04,442
grohl who just let us all down.

744
00:34:04,442 --> 00:34:05,486
Oh, oh, don't, don't break my
heart about dave grohl.

745
00:34:05,486 --> 00:34:06,892
I have not heard any negative
things about him.

746
00:34:06,913 --> 00:34:07,434
Speaker 4: Oh, you didn't hear.

747
00:34:07,434 --> 00:34:10,547
Like a year ago he came out
that he had like a kid outside

748
00:34:10,648 --> 00:34:12,976
of wedlock, like outside of his
marriage, and like there's a

749
00:34:13,036 --> 00:34:16,105
woman in some country that like
has like a one-year-old or a

750
00:34:16,144 --> 00:34:18,878
two-year-old okay wow I.

751
00:34:18,898 --> 00:34:22,467
Speaker 2: I was thinking he was
going to be that's bad, but I

752
00:34:22,487 --> 00:34:23,668
was thinking it was going to be
a lot worse.

753
00:34:23,668 --> 00:34:27,144
He was going to be a racist, or
yeah, yeah, or something like

754
00:34:27,545 --> 00:34:27,666
that.

755
00:34:27,666 --> 00:34:32,704
Dave Grohl he's one of my
all-time favorite musicians,

756
00:34:32,826 --> 00:34:33,728
artists, whatever.

757
00:34:35,297 --> 00:34:35,980
He let us down.

758
00:34:35,980 --> 00:34:41,463
Well, I have three more little
quickie things today, and this

759
00:34:41,704 --> 00:34:43,989
one will go with what I just
spoke about.

760
00:34:43,989 --> 00:34:46,463
This comes to us from LinkedIn.

761
00:34:46,463 --> 00:34:51,706
The writer is Liz Ryan and her
byline is coach.

762
00:34:51,706 --> 00:34:53,478
You know my feeling on coaches.

763
00:34:53,538 --> 00:34:57,326
Creator, ceo and founder, human
workspace author.

764
00:34:57,326 --> 00:34:58,909
Blah blah, blah, blah, blah
blah.

765
00:34:58,909 --> 00:35:04,144
So she does everything, but the
attention gettinggetting meme

766
00:35:04,204 --> 00:35:07,641
is you don't need to ask
candidates about resume gaps.

767
00:35:07,641 --> 00:35:10,527
They're irrelevant and none of
your business.

768
00:35:10,527 --> 00:35:14,844
And that just triggered me
right off the word gap, and I'll

769
00:35:14,844 --> 00:35:19,440
read it's like I don't know a
paragraph she wrote there's no

770
00:35:19,501 --> 00:35:23,378
reason or justification for
asking a candidate why they have

771
00:35:23,378 --> 00:35:24,101
a resume gap.

772
00:35:24,101 --> 00:35:25,143
That's their personal life.

773
00:35:25,143 --> 00:35:27,981
Would you ask a consultant what
they've been doing since their

774
00:35:28,023 --> 00:35:29,246
last consulting engagement?

775
00:35:29,246 --> 00:35:32,864
If they gave me a chronological
list and I saw a big gap, yes,

776
00:35:32,985 --> 00:35:33,505
I would ask.

777
00:35:33,505 --> 00:35:35,041
But that's another thing.

778
00:35:35,536 --> 00:35:38,380
Continuing what she wrote, why
does anyone have to justify

779
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,086
stepping off the conveyor belt,
or even for a few months?

780
00:35:41,086 --> 00:35:43,735
Do you see how toxic and
controlling the question what

781
00:35:43,755 --> 00:35:45,181
were you doing during this gap
is?

782
00:35:45,181 --> 00:35:48,340
If you can see that you are
someone who can lead through

783
00:35:48,380 --> 00:35:51,902
trust rather than fear, if you
can't see why this question is

784
00:35:51,983 --> 00:35:55,922
wildly inappropriate, pay close
attention next time you ask and

785
00:35:56,385 --> 00:35:58,898
see if a candidate fights back
tears remembering a family

786
00:35:58,938 --> 00:36:00,003
member's illness or death.

787
00:36:00,003 --> 00:36:03,619
What someone was doing during a
break is simply none of your

788
00:36:03,659 --> 00:36:07,385
business and I am going to call
giant bullshit on that one.

789
00:36:07,385 --> 00:36:13,318
Yes, I've said it on the
podcast before In 2011, I was

790
00:36:13,378 --> 00:36:18,525
laid off twice in that same year
and in 2002, I was terminated

791
00:36:18,565 --> 00:36:20,721
for cause and that I had a
three-month gap.

792
00:36:20,721 --> 00:36:24,478
And when people ask oh yeah, I
lost my job because I sucked at

793
00:36:24,518 --> 00:36:28,523
my job at that time and I really
said something you know, not

794
00:36:28,543 --> 00:36:30,378
that directly, but yeah, I
didn't.

795
00:36:30,378 --> 00:36:31,764
You know, I tried something new
.

796
00:36:31,764 --> 00:36:32,840
It didn't work out for me.

797
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,356
I ended up losing my job.

798
00:36:34,815 --> 00:36:38,862
Speaker 3: But answer the
question even if it is okay, no,

799
00:36:38,862 --> 00:36:42,271
I was just to say like there's
some times where you know,

800
00:36:42,472 --> 00:36:46,206
especially like I got a
background screens, I see all

801
00:36:46,246 --> 00:36:49,072
those and you can see when
someone spent time in jail or

802
00:36:49,099 --> 00:36:51,887
something like that, and and it
matches up where that gap is and

803
00:36:51,887 --> 00:36:54,266
sometimes you just want to see
if they'll they'll say anything,

804
00:36:54,266 --> 00:36:57,239
you know, and like recently I
had a guy who's sitting in my

805
00:36:57,318 --> 00:36:59,204
office we're getting, we're
onboarding him right, we're

806
00:36:59,224 --> 00:36:59,625
hiring him.

807
00:36:59,625 --> 00:37:02,130
He's not going to get kicked
out the door, because I already

808
00:37:02,170 --> 00:37:03,213
looked at his background
screening.

809
00:37:03,213 --> 00:37:03,681
But I asked him.

810
00:37:03,681 --> 00:37:05,625
I was like, hey, look, I see
this gap in here.

811
00:37:05,625 --> 00:37:06,824
What's going on?

812
00:37:06,824 --> 00:37:09,382
And he goes oh yeah, I spent
some time in jail for a stupid

813
00:37:09,422 --> 00:37:11,389
decision that I made when I was
a little younger.

814
00:37:11,389 --> 00:37:13,387
I was like well, as long as you
learn from it, move on.

815
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,045
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, have a
tragedy in your life or your

816
00:37:26,065 --> 00:37:27,469
family that you know, I don't
know a spouse died and you

817
00:37:27,489 --> 00:37:28,875
needed some time off, or maybe
you wanted to be a stay-at-home

818
00:37:28,894 --> 00:37:28,956
mom.

819
00:37:28,956 --> 00:37:31,362
Those are legitimate answers
and you don't have to go into

820
00:37:31,422 --> 00:37:32,045
too much detail.

821
00:37:32,045 --> 00:37:35,641
And I tell you what when I ask
that question if you start going

822
00:37:35,641 --> 00:37:39,110
into too much detail in a long
story, more than a single

823
00:37:39,291 --> 00:37:44,842
paragraph or so means you're
bullshitting me.

824
00:37:44,842 --> 00:37:46,164
You know, if you're going to
tell me this long, drawn-out

825
00:37:46,184 --> 00:37:47,208
story, okay, I'm not believing
that.

826
00:37:47,208 --> 00:37:50,224
But oh, yeah, I took some time
off to spend time with my kids,

827
00:37:50,304 --> 00:37:54,159
my family, or I had an illness,
or you know, you know, or I had

828
00:37:54,179 --> 00:37:55,461
something personal going on in
my life.

829
00:37:55,461 --> 00:37:56,885
That's all you have to say.

830
00:37:56,885 --> 00:37:58,708
But I, I don't want to.

831
00:37:58,708 --> 00:38:01,967
I I kind of want to hear what,
because if you're starting to

832
00:38:01,987 --> 00:38:04,079
bullshit me, then things are
going sideways.

833
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:06,746
So, ms Liz, Ryan.

834
00:38:07,086 --> 00:38:10,202
I really could not disagree with
you more, and I think most of

835
00:38:10,242 --> 00:38:15,293
the HR community is going to be
on there with us.

836
00:38:15,860 --> 00:38:17,945
Speaker 3: Well, unless she's in
her 80s, there's no reason to

837
00:38:17,965 --> 00:38:18,387
be a coach.

838
00:38:18,407 --> 00:38:22,963
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know
coaches and consultants.

839
00:38:22,963 --> 00:38:25,670
They're just people who lost
their job.

840
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:27,780
Otherwise, most of the time, it
seems so.

841
00:38:27,780 --> 00:38:30,867
They were terminated for cause,
probably from their employment,

842
00:38:30,867 --> 00:38:33,932
or maybe got laid off and
decided to go out on their own.

843
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,027
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm laughing
because it's true.

844
00:38:38,001 --> 00:38:40,706
Speaker 3: I have to admit I've
met several HR professionals in

845
00:38:41,047 --> 00:38:43,974
my region that are no longer
with active companies.

846
00:38:43,974 --> 00:38:46,559
They've decided to start their
own business as HR consultants

847
00:38:46,740 --> 00:38:48,728
and I'm like, yeah, you got
fired.

848
00:38:48,728 --> 00:38:50,967
I know you got fired because I
know the company you're working

849
00:38:51,088 --> 00:38:51,148
at.

850
00:38:51,148 --> 00:38:53,367
They all told me why you got
fired.

851
00:38:53,367 --> 00:38:54,965
Because they wanted me to come
work for them.

852
00:38:54,985 --> 00:38:56,811
Speaker 4: It's really funny.

853
00:38:58,043 --> 00:38:58,887
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

854
00:38:58,887 --> 00:39:02,570
It's a consultant coach type
thing.

855
00:39:02,570 --> 00:39:03,963
Keynote speaker.

856
00:39:03,963 --> 00:39:04,847
Add that to the list.

857
00:39:04,847 --> 00:39:06,626
That's the next thing they'll
be doing too.

858
00:39:07,387 --> 00:39:11,309
Speaker 4: That's interesting,
honestly, like I don't know.

859
00:39:11,309 --> 00:39:13,126
I don't know how I feel about
that, because there is a bit of

860
00:39:13,166 --> 00:39:13,286
me.

861
00:39:13,286 --> 00:39:14,250
I could see both sides.

862
00:39:14,250 --> 00:39:16,527
I could honestly see both sides
to that argument.

863
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:20,385
Speaker 3: You know, if you had
plenty of experience to back up

864
00:39:21,929 --> 00:39:24,693
your coaching or consulting,
then that would be different.

865
00:39:24,693 --> 00:39:26,867
But some of these folks do it
right out the gate.

866
00:39:27,579 --> 00:39:29,126
Speaker 4: Yeah, they really do.

867
00:39:29,126 --> 00:39:33,590
I'm just laughing because I did
work with someone who was fired

868
00:39:33,590 --> 00:39:33,590
.

869
00:39:33,590 --> 00:39:36,909
That person started their own
consulting business.

870
00:39:36,909 --> 00:39:40,608
Yeah, it's just funny to me.

871
00:39:40,608 --> 00:39:42,286
And they just released a book.

872
00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 3: Oh, okay.

873
00:39:45,380 --> 00:39:48,652
Speaker 2: How to Get get fired
in 10 ways and next are they on

874
00:39:48,672 --> 00:39:50,380
the speakers, apparently
masturbating on a toilet while

875
00:39:53,184 --> 00:39:54,346
doing coke is the answer.

876
00:39:55,628 --> 00:39:58,452
Speaker 4: Oh geez, yeah, no,
it's.

877
00:39:58,452 --> 00:40:01,440
It's funny, though, and I, I I
kind of want to read it because

878
00:40:01,460 --> 00:40:05,307
I'm interested in it, mainly
because when we had worked

879
00:40:05,389 --> 00:40:08,134
together, I was the one that
usually authored things.

880
00:40:09,221 --> 00:40:13,010
And this individual had a
weakness in that area that he

881
00:40:13,291 --> 00:40:13,793
admitted to.

882
00:40:13,793 --> 00:40:17,650
But I'm just laughing because
I'm just like I'm interested in

883
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:18,090
the book now.

884
00:40:18,090 --> 00:40:23,572
Morbid curiosity, like I said.

885
00:40:23,572 --> 00:40:25,844
But you know what, though?

886
00:40:25,844 --> 00:40:29,264
Here's the thing Everyone's out
there getting their money,

887
00:40:29,405 --> 00:40:30,226
they're getting paid.

888
00:40:30,226 --> 00:40:34,023
Good on him for figuring it out
, because he's probably very

889
00:40:34,063 --> 00:40:37,090
happy doing what he's doing and
I'm very happy doing what I'm

890
00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:40,588
doing, so go off, king.

891
00:40:42,460 --> 00:40:44,965
Speaker 2: Like I said, once I
get my master's degree I'll have

892
00:40:44,965 --> 00:40:47,891
those three extra letters to
put behind my name with all my

893
00:40:47,931 --> 00:40:51,063
other little letters I could put
behind it, and I want to just

894
00:40:51,103 --> 00:40:53,628
start having AI write books and
sign them and just do

895
00:40:53,668 --> 00:40:54,913
self-published AI books.

896
00:40:54,913 --> 00:40:58,929
You know I've written 35 books
in three days.

897
00:40:58,929 --> 00:40:59,851
You know something like that.

898
00:41:00,641 --> 00:41:03,976
Speaker 4: See, isn't that kind
of sad, like I feel like now AI

899
00:41:04,016 --> 00:41:07,641
has made it so easy for people
to create like AI slop in

900
00:41:07,983 --> 00:41:12,208
self-published book form, and
now it's like writing a book.

901
00:41:12,208 --> 00:41:16,186
Quote-unquote is just like I
have a podcast.

902
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,646
Speaker 1: Like, everyone has a
podcast.

903
00:41:18,159 --> 00:41:20,807
Speaker 4: Everyone has a book,
everyone has something.

904
00:41:20,807 --> 00:41:23,385
It's just like you have two
podcasts.

905
00:41:23,385 --> 00:41:26,405
Yes, that's right, I have two
podcasts.

906
00:41:26,405 --> 00:41:32,786
Oh my God, it's just funny, ai
is taking over.

907
00:41:33,159 --> 00:41:35,027
Speaker 3: But you know, it's a
great tool if you use it right,

908
00:41:35,527 --> 00:41:35,789
it is.

909
00:41:36,121 --> 00:41:40,146
Speaker 4: Oh, a thousand
percent A thousand percent.

910
00:41:40,380 --> 00:41:41,364
Speaker 2: One of my other
courses.

911
00:41:41,364 --> 00:41:43,550
Well, I'm going segueing right
in.

912
00:41:43,550 --> 00:41:44,855
I'm taking one of my other
courses.

913
00:41:44,855 --> 00:41:46,460
Well, I'm going to segue right
in.

914
00:41:46,460 --> 00:41:48,123
I'm taking a class now on
operations management.

915
00:41:48,123 --> 00:41:50,349
We're talking about a lot about
AI and I'm really digging that

916
00:41:50,389 --> 00:41:51,092
class so far.

917
00:41:51,092 --> 00:41:55,271
But the other class I'm taking
this semester is organizational

918
00:41:55,311 --> 00:42:03,487
behavior and I love the practice
of it and I won't be terribly

919
00:42:03,568 --> 00:42:03,989
jaded.

920
00:42:03,989 --> 00:42:05,802
It's a couple of weeks in.

921
00:42:05,802 --> 00:42:07,148
It's not that I'm learning
something.

922
00:42:07,148 --> 00:42:10,362
I'm getting more or less cued
in on things I've already known.

923
00:42:10,362 --> 00:42:12,847
It's like oh, there we go, and
things like that.

924
00:42:12,847 --> 00:42:19,684
But I had quiz number one last
week and it's talking about the

925
00:42:19,724 --> 00:42:21,646
functions of organizational
behavior.

926
00:42:21,646 --> 00:42:23,588
Are we going to get quiz now?

927
00:42:23,889 --> 00:42:26,373
Speaker 4: Oh well, I can ask
you these two questions.

928
00:42:26,432 --> 00:42:32,541
Speaker 3: I took screenshots of
oh, okay, it's been 10 years

929
00:42:32,561 --> 00:42:35,211
since I did my master's degree,
so go easy on me.

930
00:42:35,211 --> 00:42:38,320
Why do employees behave the way
they do?

931
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:41,568
Speaker 4: Jackassery Coke
People be peepling Coke Coke

932
00:42:41,608 --> 00:42:42,652
People be people-ing.

933
00:42:45,226 --> 00:42:47,329
Speaker 2: Coke, cocaine.

934
00:42:47,329 --> 00:42:50,663
I mean, why do?

935
00:42:50,663 --> 00:42:54,012
There's some great theories
behind it and things like that,

936
00:42:55,262 --> 00:42:58,851
but it's because, yeah,
jackassery just being an asshole

937
00:42:58,851 --> 00:43:00,322
douchebag, whatever you want to
call him.

938
00:43:00,443 --> 00:43:04,324
Speaker 4: Yes, correct answer,
I am going to take a less jaded

939
00:43:04,443 --> 00:43:08,076
approach to this question, if we
shall, and I don't even know if

940
00:43:08,076 --> 00:43:09,300
this is a correct answer.

941
00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:11,085
This is just through my lens.

942
00:43:11,085 --> 00:43:15,878
In my crazy mind, I think
people behave the way they do in

943
00:43:15,878 --> 00:43:20,228
organizations because 99 of the
people are not psychopaths and

944
00:43:20,248 --> 00:43:22,800
they come to work and they want
to do a good job and their

945
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,815
definition of a good job varies
from person to person and

946
00:43:26,914 --> 00:43:30,485
sometimes those things create
conflict oh you are, I think,

947
00:43:30,565 --> 00:43:31,467
one of the right answers.

948
00:43:31,507 --> 00:43:32,891
Speaker 2: I wish I had did you?

949
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:34,141
Speaker 3: did you read that out
of the book?

950
00:43:35,422 --> 00:43:38,527
Speaker 4: no, I am just that
brilliant oh, I forget the term.

951
00:43:38,949 --> 00:43:39,909
Speaker 2: I just took the quiz.

952
00:43:39,909 --> 00:43:40,992
Hold up, I'm going to find it.

953
00:43:40,992 --> 00:43:42,094
I'll edit this out.

954
00:43:42,114 --> 00:43:47,806
Speaker 4: Oh, this is so fun If
people on my master's cohort

955
00:43:47,867 --> 00:43:48,670
can see me now.

956
00:43:50,021 --> 00:43:52,005
Speaker 3: I remember when I was
doing my master's years, I

957
00:43:52,065 --> 00:43:56,463
answered a quiz probably in the
same class, and the guy actually

958
00:43:56,463 --> 00:43:59,710
failed the quiz on me and told
me to rethink the answers.

959
00:43:59,710 --> 00:44:02,096
Not as a military member, oh.

960
00:44:02,117 --> 00:44:03,059
Speaker 1: A whole new, a
military member.

961
00:44:03,079 --> 00:44:05,987
Speaker 3: Oh, a whole new
concept for me Interesting.

962
00:44:07,210 --> 00:44:07,699
Speaker 4: How was that for you?

963
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,853
Speaker 3: Well, I was 20 years
institutionalized, so it was a

964
00:44:11,873 --> 00:44:12,393
little harder.

965
00:44:13,217 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 4: That's interesting.

966
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,369
Speaker 2: I can't find the
actual answer to or what the

967
00:44:18,509 --> 00:44:21,762
yeah the topic that that falls
under, but it does have

968
00:44:21,822 --> 00:44:24,661
something to do with what you
said it's about.

969
00:44:24,661 --> 00:44:27,809
You know people do things based
on the situation.

970
00:44:27,809 --> 00:44:33,284
Essentially I can't find the
exact term in my notes it ties

971
00:44:33,344 --> 00:44:34,728
into your psych class.

972
00:44:34,768 --> 00:44:38,804
Speaker 3: If you've taken that
already, you know people are

973
00:44:39,226 --> 00:44:41,963
nurture versus nature and then
you get put into a social

974
00:44:42,023 --> 00:44:46,942
situation and someone else's
nurture nature is different and

975
00:44:46,961 --> 00:44:48,547
they're not always congruent.

976
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,628
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly so I
just I wanted to put my jaded

977
00:44:52,728 --> 00:44:53,068
answer.

978
00:44:53,068 --> 00:44:55,867
I put the correct one in for
that answer.

979
00:44:55,867 --> 00:44:56,550
I love it.

980
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:59,869
And then you led to another
answer.

981
00:44:59,869 --> 00:45:04,021
The next question on this quiz
I screenshotted was why is one

982
00:45:04,101 --> 00:45:06,028
individual more productive than
another?

983
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:10,706
Speaker 4: Intrinsic motivation.

984
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,164
Speaker 3: Because they're not a
jackass.

985
00:45:13,184 --> 00:45:14,288
Speaker 4: Because they're not.

986
00:45:15,010 --> 00:45:20,541
Speaker 2: Yeah, once again,
it's almost the same answer that

987
00:45:20,541 --> 00:45:24,530
their situational values and
values behaviors per the

988
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:25,532
situation are.

989
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,086
Speaker 3: Well, and I also find
that age and longevity in the

990
00:45:29,126 --> 00:45:31,753
job also drives some of that
productivity issues.

991
00:45:31,753 --> 00:45:35,882
Someone who's been in the job
forever I have one that kind of

992
00:45:35,902 --> 00:45:39,052
slacks off a little bit and has
to be kind of redirected,

993
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:41,367
whereas the employee- that's
only been here for.

994
00:45:41,367 --> 00:45:45,110
Yeah, there's an employee that
works here for like two years

995
00:45:45,219 --> 00:45:47,148
and she's like on top of it all
the time.

996
00:45:47,148 --> 00:45:50,489
So, there's kind of a
difference in mentality there

997
00:45:50,530 --> 00:45:50,610
too.

998
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:52,646
Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly.

999
00:45:52,646 --> 00:45:54,628
So I've been finding that fun.

1000
00:45:54,628 --> 00:45:56,186
I'm enjoying the class.

1001
00:45:56,186 --> 00:45:58,969
Like I said, I'm not quote
unquote, learning new things,

1002
00:45:59,039 --> 00:46:00,847
but I'm just picking up on
things.

1003
00:46:00,847 --> 00:46:03,440
We're a whole weekend so I'm
not.

1004
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,407
It's not like I've gotten a lot
of it, but it's it's going

1005
00:46:06,467 --> 00:46:07,708
pretty well so far.

1006
00:46:07,708 --> 00:46:14,248
So, yeah, what is there
anything else anybody has on the

1007
00:46:14,248 --> 00:46:15,250
cover today?

1008
00:46:15,250 --> 00:46:16,351
Anything else on?

1009
00:46:16,413 --> 00:46:17,094
Speaker 4: anybody's mind.

1010
00:46:17,094 --> 00:46:20,925
Well, first of all, I think
that we should.

1011
00:46:20,925 --> 00:46:25,550
We should have a weekly segment
or like an episode segment,

1012
00:46:25,590 --> 00:46:28,974
where we go over what Warren
learned in grad school that week

1013
00:46:28,974 --> 00:46:30,335
and we can do quizzes.

1014
00:46:30,699 --> 00:46:33,146
Speaker 2: Well, this
organizational behavior class

1015
00:46:33,206 --> 00:46:35,893
might give me some good ammo for
that, I know.

1016
00:46:37,460 --> 00:46:40,268
Speaker 4: But talking about
people misbehaving, just really

1017
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:43,063
quick, this was on Reddit, so
take it with a grain of salt if

1018
00:46:43,103 --> 00:46:45,231
it's on Reddit, but it made me
crack up.

1019
00:46:45,231 --> 00:46:50,967
So, people, it's malicious
compliance, which I love some

1020
00:46:51,047 --> 00:46:55,914
good malicious compliance,
especially when the rules are

1021
00:46:56,054 --> 00:46:57,255
nonsense and don't make sense.

1022
00:46:57,255 --> 00:47:01,987
So this individual said that
they at their company, a new

1023
00:47:03,130 --> 00:47:05,574
they had like kind of like a
dress casual situation.

1024
00:47:05,574 --> 00:47:10,347
However, some new leader came
in and really wanted people to

1025
00:47:10,407 --> 00:47:14,193
stick to the dress code that was
in the handbook, which, like,

1026
00:47:14,353 --> 00:47:17,385
why, like we've had this
conversation so many times.

1027
00:47:17,385 --> 00:47:20,862
People are professionals, let
them be professional but their

1028
00:47:20,922 --> 00:47:24,719
handbook wasn't revised since
like the 90s or something Like.

1029
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,427
It was just a very outdated
dress code.

1030
00:47:26,427 --> 00:47:31,172
So some examples were that men
had to wear suit, tie, jacket,

1031
00:47:31,619 --> 00:47:36,554
women had to wear blouses,
knee-length skirts, nylons,

1032
00:47:37,036 --> 00:47:37,277
nylons.

1033
00:47:38,402 --> 00:47:39,445
Speaker 2: Going back to the 50s
.

1034
00:47:40,588 --> 00:47:40,809
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1035
00:47:41,420 --> 00:47:47,460
A little leg action, yeah go
back to the 50s, yeah, and so,

1036
00:47:47,481 --> 00:47:48,764
anyway, a few employees decided
to follow the dress code to a t.

1037
00:47:48,764 --> 00:47:52,693
So we had individuals who were
showing up to work in suspenders

1038
00:47:52,693 --> 00:47:58,523
in full-on, like wedding, like
wedding suits, tuxedos.

1039
00:47:58,523 --> 00:48:03,492
There was people who showed up
in shoulder pads and the nylons

1040
00:48:03,552 --> 00:48:04,721
and closed-toed pumps.

1041
00:48:04,721 --> 00:48:07,889
So they said it was a small
team that started it.

1042
00:48:07,889 --> 00:48:11,327
By the middle of the week
almost the entire office looked

1043
00:48:11,367 --> 00:48:16,402
like it was out of a corporate
museum and very quickly did that

1044
00:48:16,402 --> 00:48:17,065
new leader.

1045
00:48:17,065 --> 00:48:21,440
Partner with HR to revise the
dress code.

1046
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,824
Partner with HR to revise the
dress code.

1047
00:48:24,706 --> 00:48:27,512
Speaker 3: That's one of those
tricky areas too, especially now

1048
00:48:27,512 --> 00:48:27,512
.

1049
00:48:30,025 --> 00:48:30,326
Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

1050
00:48:30,326 --> 00:48:31,550
A thousand percent.

1051
00:48:35,019 --> 00:48:36,286
Speaker 2: I've told this story,
I'm sure on the podcast, before

1052
00:48:36,286 --> 00:48:38,375
, but my brother he was in the
Army, did 20-some-odd years

1053
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,306
retired as a full-bird colonel.

1054
00:48:40,306 --> 00:48:45,061
But when he was a major he got
hired for a job he didn't even

1055
00:48:45,121 --> 00:48:48,909
apply to, to be a military
science instructor at the United

1056
00:48:48,909 --> 00:48:50,740
States Military Academy, west
Point.

1057
00:48:50,740 --> 00:48:55,128
And so he's there and he's
doing his thing and everything's

1058
00:48:55,128 --> 00:48:55,771
going well.

1059
00:48:55,771 --> 00:49:00,887
And one of his head people come
to him and say well, you know,

1060
00:49:01,068 --> 00:49:03,422
one of the reasons we brought
you on is you're so highly

1061
00:49:03,463 --> 00:49:07,027
decorated and all that and we
would like to see you wear more

1062
00:49:07,340 --> 00:49:09,047
and more of your ribbons and
things like that.

1063
00:49:09,047 --> 00:49:11,387
He goes no, these are the ones
that are important to me, these

1064
00:49:11,427 --> 00:49:12,090
are the ones I like.

1065
00:49:12,090 --> 00:49:14,722
He goes I don't need to wear
them all, I'm not going to wear

1066
00:49:14,742 --> 00:49:15,003
them all.

1067
00:49:15,463 --> 00:49:19,148
And they sort of got him to the
point where they're telling wear

1068
00:49:19,148 --> 00:49:19,148
.

1069
00:49:19,148 --> 00:49:21,391
And he says I don't think
there's anywhere in the UCMJ

1070
00:49:21,411 --> 00:49:23,556
that I have to wear all my
ribbons.

1071
00:49:23,556 --> 00:49:28,762
And he goes well, we'd really
really like you.

1072
00:49:28,762 --> 00:49:30,606
We want to impress on you how
much we'd really like you to,

1073
00:49:30,646 --> 00:49:32,989
because it'll impress the kids,
the students and things like

1074
00:49:33,010 --> 00:49:33,170
that.

1075
00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:38,585
So for two weeks my brother
wore his dinner tuxedo with not

1076
00:49:38,646 --> 00:49:42,132
only the ribbon of everything
he's had but the full metal of

1077
00:49:42,273 --> 00:49:43,173
everything he's had.

1078
00:49:43,173 --> 00:49:45,266
And for two weeks he walked
around.

1079
00:49:45,266 --> 00:49:49,945
He said I looked like a third
world country dictator walking

1080
00:49:49,965 --> 00:49:52,945
around the hallways at West
Point in my dinner tuxedo with

1081
00:49:53,326 --> 00:49:54,820
all these things, he said.

1082
00:49:54,820 --> 00:49:58,085
After two weeks he went back to
wearing the he said six or

1083
00:49:58,144 --> 00:49:58,746
eight ribbons.

1084
00:49:58,746 --> 00:50:01,784
That actually meant something
to him and nobody said a word to

1085
00:50:01,784 --> 00:50:02,989
him about it ever since.

1086
00:50:04,460 --> 00:50:07,164
Speaker 4: Did anyone not tell
him that it was a requirement to

1087
00:50:07,164 --> 00:50:09,610
have 15 pieces of flair?

1088
00:50:10,672 --> 00:50:12,434
Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly.

1089
00:50:13,041 --> 00:50:15,762
Speaker 4: My brother wouldn't
get that reference, it is very

1090
00:50:15,963 --> 00:50:19,565
like Jim, all of the office,
when Dwight sends out the dress

1091
00:50:19,605 --> 00:50:21,670
code memo and he shows up in his
tux.

1092
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:22,572
I do, I do.

1093
00:50:22,572 --> 00:50:24,320
I just Malicious.

1094
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:25,824
Compliance is fantastic.

1095
00:50:25,824 --> 00:50:26,447
I love it.

1096
00:50:26,447 --> 00:50:27,548
Yeah, it's delicious.

1097
00:50:27,969 --> 00:50:28,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

1098
00:50:28,972 --> 00:50:33,028
Well, with that, I think we'll
call this episode to an end.

1099
00:50:33,028 --> 00:50:34,052
Bring it to an end.

1100
00:50:34,052 --> 00:50:37,079
Our voice artist at the
beginning is Andrew Kolpa, and

1101
00:50:37,141 --> 00:50:40,666
the music is the Underscore
Orchestra song the Devil, the

1102
00:50:40,706 --> 00:50:41,007
Devil.

1103
00:50:41,007 --> 00:50:43,670
So, as always, I'm Warren.

1104
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:57,065
I'm Cece and I'm Bill and we're
here helping you survive.

1105
00:50:57,065 --> 00:50:57,666
Hr1.

1106
00:50:57,666 --> 00:51:00,570
What the Fuck moment at a time.

1107
00:51:00,570 --> 00:51:01,771
Yay, yay, thank you.