You're an HR Analyst Harry!

You're an HR Analyst, Harry!

• Not so Top Gun
• Should I contact HR???
• Indiana University Health System’s Awesome sign
• Overqualified
• Recruiting Spies
• The Wonderful Management World of Harry Potter

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Transcript

Patrick 0:28

Hello, and welcome to another episode of Day Today Charlie. Podcast by two former human resources co-workers. Just gonna help you get through the workday by saying all those things you were thinking. Say them out loud. I'm Patrick Concillo. I'm Warren Workman. And welcome to the danger zone. Uh-oh. I actually don't have anything with that. It's just always it's always a weird way to start, so I figure we'll start with the danger zone today.

Warren 0:57

Oh man. So you getting ready for the new Top Gun movie then?

Patrick 1:01

Exactly, yeah. This is Tom Cruise Scientology-based. Oh, you're you're beating into all my favorite movies. Navy. Yeah, all those all those great things. Volleyball. That's what we're gonna talk about today on J.H.R. Okay. Strap in. I'm ready. So I'll ahead go ahead and let you get started. Sure. I have a couple things today, and one of them is a a really short story about should I contact HR kind of scenario. So we'll start with that. And this is from Reddit user Funstown, who to the Ask HR subreddit said, Should I contact HR after writing an anonymous letter? Actually, he said after writing a a NAMIS letter. A Y-N-A-M-O-U-S. I wrote a scathing letter to a board of directors of my employer, Big Tech Company. I have given enough proof of lack of accountability. An HR representative contacted the email in the letter asking to set up time to meet. Is it a good idea to meet this HR who is at best a VP and relatively insignificant position in the company? I have no thoughts of quitting. Yeah. Let me let me give you a little more information, because as as you read through the comments, he gives he gives more information. Okay. Or do you want to you want to blast off?

Warren 2:26

Well, he he he's already put in what his thoughts of HR are. Yeah.

Patrick 2:31

A VP of HR is insignificant. Insignificant in the grand peon.

Warren 2:36

Uh now I you know and then why the hell would you write a letter and you wrote an animus or whatever he he called it letter. Animus. Animus uh letter to HR, but he gave him a w a secret email address to c uh copy them. And if they're a giant tech company, they might be able to figure something like that out. Maybe, possibly. But I I don't know. Uh I love where it's going, is that we got A right off the top, stupid employee, so I'll let you continue.

Patrick 3:06

Well, very much so. So as you go into comments, you he his one of his comments is some project being delayed is not an offense, but certainly something board of directors are invested in and want to know. So they wrote a letter to the board of directors because a project was delayed.

Warren 3:22

Okay.

Patrick 3:23

And then you go further down and he says some inconsistencies have become commonplace, like still using Windows XP. So he wrote a letter because of an outdated operating system to the board of directors. Okay. I just and like this whole thread is just killing this person because you're they're like, well, I wish. You should put your you should just put your head in the ground and just forget you ever did this and disappear. Like stay animus.

Warren 3:51

And and you know what? I guarantee everybody's already even though before this anonymous email Animous. Animous email, everybody's heard this person bitch about Windows XP. Yeah, exactly. I will put dimes to dollars, even though it's a big tech company, somebody already knows who it is. He's not as animus as he he thinks he is.

Patrick 4:16

So my guess is he's the only one in the company that has Windows XP still because he probably doesn't actually work for the company.

Warren 4:21

He's just a special employee who they like let come and they laid him off years ago, but through a payroll error he kept getting paid. Exactly. Yes. Now uh you know it it this sounds like a classic we've talked about this type of employee before who they know better than the employer about everything. And yeah, uh you know, the projects getting delayed. Uh welcome to the real world. Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty sure they know. Yeah, to make a a fuss and contact their if if you're gonna pull your balls out to be able to write that letter, sit down at the table and talk to them if they want to talk to you and and show 'em either you're right or show 'em how stupid you are so you can get yourself fired quickly. Yeah.

Patrick 5:06

Or step up and help lead the project into a better direction.

Warren 5:09

Yeah, yeah. It's it's all about how, hey, what if we did this? Or you know, what you know, spin it in a positive light rather than I know better than you, and uh you must all do what I say as I say it. Yeah, I I hope the Reddit uh world just laid into him as I I I got that feeling. I I've he's got my my blood rolling already uh this episode. And it actually brings me, uh if I can go on to just a quick thing I saw on LinkedIn. There's a sign at Building Vol. Don't know where my mouse is, I want to find it. So at the Indiana University Health System, they have these signs on their doors. And it says, please take responsibility for the energy you bring into the space. Your words matter. Uh your behaviors matter, our patients and our teams matter. Take a slow, deep breath and make sure your energy is in check before entering. Thank you. Indiana University Health. And it's done on a nice poster. It looks well done and professional, and I'm like, that's the way you do it. You put that sign in front of your HR office. I mean, all these people come in like that. Your person there is all torn up about Windows XP and whatever else he's he's upset about projects being delayed. You know, your Windows 7 is coming now. Uh but uh, you know, just take a deep breath. Uh I know this isn't too jaded of me, but I just saw that sign uh somebody posted on it. Actually, it was all over LinkedIn last week, and uh I thought, how appropriate. And uh good job for Indiana University. There's not enough passive aggression aggression in there. Not today, but I've got some I I will have some more jaded and passive aggressive comments today.

Patrick 6:57

I think it's a good idea, actually, for maybe a future segment is like I've seen there's so many posters going around on funny like store signs. Okay. Just about like wearing masks and all all this stuff. There's been a lot of those going around. That might be a fun um trying to consolidate all the all the funny store signs. Because that's kind of a I guess at least we have experience with kind of funny passive aggressive signs like in the office place. And there's still one up at our office that I love. It just talks it's an office break room about what can and can't go in the uh garbage disposal.

Warren 7:26

Oh, okay.

Patrick 7:27

It's like what can go in there, food, water, whatever, what can't go in there? Rocks, your fingers, straws, like all these random things. But sadly, probably things that have gone in there at some point. Oh yeah.

Warren 7:41

Well, you know, we we joke in the baseball umpire world that these you have these rules and these policies for a reason. Somebody did something stupid. You have this you you you start thinking, why do you have this stupid rule or the stupid policy? Well, they had it because somebody did it once upon a time and now they want to correct it and make sure they don't have any more copycats doing doing those stupid things.

Patrick 8:04

Well, it wasn't very jaded worn, but it was it was nice energy. I like your chi that you're bringing and and all that stuff zen, words that make positive energy sounds.

Warren 8:17

Uh well, I'll I'll if if you don't mind me continuing, I'll go to the opposite side. Last off. Overqualified. Um, there was a post, and it I guess you could say it went uh viral on LinkedIn, and uh I've seen actually somewhere else a cut and paste of it, I think it was on Twitter. Uh Bridget Hyacinth uh posted on LinkedIn the other day, uh, and I hope I'm not mispronouncing her name, but her post was stop calling job seekers over 40 overqualified. What does that mean? You don't want the best person for the job. You would never say that about your doctor, mechanic, airline pilot. Overqualified is really code word for ageism. Equal employment opportunities should not be for some but all. It's time to stop discrimination based on a person's age. There are so many in this position which is a waste of knowledge, uh, experience, and talent. And at the time I I copied this, the post was one day old and had over 3,000 replies. And I I read through a lot of them, and 99% of them, including HR professionals, were agreeing with this. And there were there were only two people who publicly disagreed, and one of them I really liked uh there I didn't write the name down of who said this, but overqualified means that a person's current skill set would be substantially underutilized by a position, leading to boredom, a lack of passion for the work. It also likely means they'll be underpaid since their experience doesn't bring any added value added added value, excuse me, to the position. I wonder what a candidate would why a candidate would want such a position. And another person uh wrote uh in response to that it isn't a company's place to make that decision. Uh yes it is. I I mean it went on for thousands and thousands of posts about ageism and everything along those lines about i it just really got to me. It's it's it's not ageism. You've and that first person was right, and then you take into qual the content. If money was not an object, hey, I've got this job, I'm looking for three to five years experience, and I got this 15-year experience person. Money's not an object, sure, I'll hire the 15-year person, but I know going in that I'm probably not gonna be able to afford that person. And you know, all these comments, and I I just kept thinking to myself, I didn't post. I I wish I could have I I should open another LinkedIn account so I don't use the code. Well that is gonna keep scrolling. Yeah, no, just so I'd uh save my job because I could really just go off. But you know, you you when you hire a person, usually there's a position, an ideal, what you're looking for, including budget. How what's the budget for this position going to be? You're not gonna hire that three to five year person, most likely at you know, six figures uh or or something along those lines. So, you know, you need to know what this is. And there were just it was so many sour grapes about being everybody had a their own experience, you know. Someone's saying, Well, I have a MBA and seven years of experience, and I didn't even get a call back for a position that didn't have a degree requirement. Yes, you're probably overqualified, and it it's not, you know, they're not discriminating against you, and it's not code for ageism. I I have a certain budget. And then if you want to avoid being discriminated against because you're overexperienced, write a well-crafted cover letter. Maybe you are in a portion of your life, hey, I'm I'm on the downhill swing of my career. I'm I still want to work, but I don't want to I don't want to manage people. I've met people like that before. They they want to take a step back and do the work themselves rather than managing others and and things like that. Write a well-crafted cover letter and explain that. Hey, I have other priorities in my life now, and I'm this is exactly what I'm looking for because XYZ, you don't have to go into too much personal detail, but yeah, uh a well-written cover letter will cover that in a reader. As I I as a recruiter, I do read the cover letters. Uh I I give them as much weight, if not more, than uh in some cases as the uh resume themselves. So uh I I I love that.

Patrick 12:25

But oh it just I'm kind of on the other so I kind of agree with what she was saying a little bit, and more in the sense of like a recency effect. So we going back to like our chunky milk COVID episode, which did not age well. No. I and I think I think it was that episode where we talked about the someone had brought up in being in HR, like resigning a position in HR, and the people in the thread were like, it's not really a great time to do that because lower level positions are going to be sought highly sought after by some overqualified people because the job market could shrink. Now, doesn't necessarily mean that that has happened necessarily like it was predicted. I haven't done a whole lot of research in the current job market, although I know it's not great. But I I think if this was a recent article, and maybe that's the struggle right now, where there's these highly qualified people that are kind of getting not even a look-see or a call because they're like, why would you want this job? And it's like, well, we want this job because it's the only job available right now. And I would say if you're if you're not hiring the person because yes, they have put in a really high salary request, that makes sense. You're you're you're not hiring them because you can't afford them, but if you're assuming right off the bat that this person is overqualified, then yeah, you are kind of judging them because they're overqualified. You're not giving them that that chance. And and there are ways of if they're overqualified, they might think, okay, I probably should explain myself. I have an MBA and I'm putting in for an entry-level generalist position position or something when I've been a director for seven years. That might throw you off, but I do think in the current climate there is a lot of that where people are fighting for some of these maybe lower level jobs that we see with higher qualifications because they have to. There's something else. Yeah. So that could be a part of it.

Warren 14:15

Absolutely. And I I I but I don't think it's a ageism, a discrimination tech. Yeah, at at face value, you know, I look at this person at director level, seven years experien seven years as a director of applying for generalists. Yeah, I I'm probably unless they gave me something to make me bite on that, I'm probably gonna move on because I my budget is uh you know a a one two-year level generalist budget, and I I can make a fairly good assumption without any other and and that's everything a recruiter does. You make assumptions on everything. You have to make assumptions they know the the knowledge, skills, and experience they say on their resume. You have to make the assumption that their titles and positions were what they actually say they were. You have to make a lot of assumptions, and uh some of those assumptions are work in the employees' favor or don't work in the employees' favor, but you you know, you have about a minute to to really get someone, less than a minute to get someone to bite on your resume. And, you know, like I said, if you put a cover letter in there, or you know, I know objectives are now so sort of passe in on resumes, but put that make it an objective. Hey, I'm looking for this generalist position because I'm taking a step in my career to so I can pursue my other life interests or or whatever. I'm desperate. Yeah, higher. And you know, there's there's something to be said, you know, but then again, the like the first uh quote I read from one of the commenters, you know, things turn around six, eight months, and the economy is back to normal or something like that. The these jobs are gonna open up. That director, if they aren't doing it for other purposes, they're gonna be back on the market. You know, you can have the best culture and a fit in the world, but still chances are when it comes down to brass tax and they've got to make a living, they've got to pay their bills or live the lifestyle they're accustomed to, at least. This is true. Your forty-five thousand dollar entry-level salary is nice, that's a great entry-level salary, but my six-digit director level salary is much nicer, and I want to uh get back to that so I can enjoy my life and get my four or five weeks of vacation or who whatever other perks comes with it. So you you you are very likely to lose those those people again. So I don't know. I just got sort of miffed by uh the thing. You get miffed worn. I I sometimes every once in a while. But uh you know, complaining that it's you know, it's it's ageism. No, people, it it's really, really not.

Patrick 16:51

Well, speaking of recruiting, I have a a new recruiting tact for you if you want a little bit of help in the recruiting front. I need help right now. So it's uh it's being a a recruiting spy. Okay. So it was a Reddit user ZJD0114 asked the human resource subreddit, as a recruiter, is it illegal to put in an application to a competitor to see how their recruiting process works?

Warren 17:18

Is it illegal? No. I've I've done things like that. Even not to see how things work, but maybe uh see how their applicant tracking system when you're engaging new systems. I I want to see how that works. And yeah, I've used my real resume, applied for a real position. Maybe I'm not even qualified. Maybe it was a I don't know, a senior software developer and I put my HR resume in there. Sure, I'm overqualified. They didn't call me. But no, I you know, I've done things like that when you know, testing out ATSs and uh seeing what they're doing, and you know, who knows? Maybe someone walk away from the job from doing that. I don't illegal. That's another uh you're that's another thing that gets me mipped. Is it illegal? Is it discrimination? Not everything's illegal, not everything's discrimination, people. You know, there's things life happens.

Patrick 18:09

Life does happen. But I thought that was an interesting tactic. I never really thought about it. But I and but now that I say that, I probably have done the same thing as far as testing other systems to see what happens and what works, or just to see what I want to see what HRIS system they use, so I might log into like a company and say, oh, they're there's I think that's PeopleSoft or something like that.

Warren 18:28

Yeah, no, exactly. Uh I I I've I've done that very recently. Just uh I was like, oh, this is one of the systems I'm uh I'm considering using. I'm gonna apply for a job with them. I don't care if it was, you know, see how it looks on the user front and the Yeah, and how the experience goes. And uh I was hoping because uh one of the programs has text uh replies and things, I was hoping to get some sort of text response, but of course I I applied to no jobs I was uh qualified for at all. But uh Or were you overqualified? Um I'm not qualified for even my own job right now. Uh but no it no, I there's nothing wrong with that. And I think a lot of people have had similar experiences with that.

Patrick 19:10

Yeah. Based on the based on the comments, I would agree everyone agrees. Okay. Hey, I got one right then, maybe. Heck yeah.

Warren 19:20

So I know for a very strong fact you are a huge Harry Potter fan.

Patrick 19:28

I like I like to live in the fantasy world.

Warren 19:30

Yes. So there was a I forget which company put this out. Maybe I did save it, but they wanted to ask who was the worst boss in the world of Harry Potter? And uh your choices were, of course, Voldemort, then you had Dolores Umbridge, Cornelius Fudge, and Lucius Malfoy.

Patrick 19:52

So who who do you think was I mean, calling them bosses, like like those are just bad people. Is Fudge a bad person? Uh so like if you're gonna say bosses, I don't know. I think Cornelius Fudge is a bad boss, definitely. Voldemort, you would say I would say Voldemort is a very compelling leader. He got followers very quickly. He almost accomplished his mission if it wasn't a young high school boy. Is he a good leader if he gets thwarted by a high school kid and he's the Well, that doesn't I would say that's more his his execution wasn't great, but his leadership, I mean he had a following, very dedicated following. Yeah. Now his tactics for keeping those followers maybe wasn't the best, but I wouldn't say he's a bad They didn't consider him a bad boss. He had their loyalty. They thought he was gone for for ten years or however long it was, and they still were loyal afterwards. So I'm across Voldemort off that list, or he he must not be named. Uh Cornelius Fudge, yeah, definitely. I think he's the worst leader. He his incompetence, his failure to act when when shit hit the fan. Uh yeah, he's he's a very bad leader. Okay. I I mean Lucius Malfoy is just what did he even do? He was like a trust fund baby. He did nothing. Man. And I I forgot I didn't see this question long enough to really be able to come up with a good response. But I I don't those choices were dumb.

Warren 21:22

Well, I actually I'll I'll give you the results of the survey. But I did add I did a lot of what you did. I I was sort of talking about the pros and cons of each of the people they listed. Well, uh Dolores Umbridge came in uh first place as the worst boss in the world of Harry Potter at sixty four.

Patrick 21:41

She's one of the most hated literary characters ever, so that's why I'm like people are just saying it because she's just the most evil person who didn't learn.

Warren 21:50

Right. Uh Voldemort and Malfoy came in tied for second place, which at thirteen percent, which leaves Cornelius Fudge at uh 6%. So what I wanted to do was uh I I I wanted to come up with the pros and cons of each of those people. And I I I did uh a lot like you did. So start with Baldmort. Pros. He put together a great team. You really can't uh fault his his team building skills, and you know he picked the right people in the right places.

Patrick 22:25

Training and development. Training and development. Uh I mean they were they were competent competent people. They did their work well.

Warren 22:31

Exactly. Uh and it's a high profile position, you know. Hey, you get a if if you're working for Voldemort, you're he built it from the ground up himself, too. Yeah, so you know, there's an entrepreneur. A lot for him. A cool factor. Visionary. You're working for the dark lord. I mean, really, how can he have the best name? Yeah. And you can't even say your boss's name. Did the deep did the Death Eater say his name? Oh, no, no, no. No, they didn't either, no. So no, but you you could that was a cool factor. Now, on the con side for him, I said he he did tend to lose his cool a little bit.

Patrick 23:10

And if you I mean he had high expectations, Warren. And when you have those high expectations, you expect the best of your people.

Warren 23:18

You do, but you didn't realize I was such a Baltimore backer. Oh yeah. And then the other con I came up with, I only came up with two cons for working for him. Uh all of your eggs are in that one basket. So if when he fails, you're you could be taken down with him. You know.

Patrick 23:36

He did not have a very good diversity policy. No. I will say that's one of his cons.

Warren 23:41

Yeah. I I next under uh Umbridge, I I put her pros as she's highly organized and she's very, and I've underlined it, driven. She's she's driven.

Patrick 23:53

So that's what I think that's a good way to say a brown noser.

Warren 23:57

But on the cons, she's probably the least trustworthy of all the choices on the list. I I would try I would trust Voldemort over her.

Patrick 24:05

Um she's always gonna flop, flop to the next the next whoever she she sees.

Warren 24:10

Coattails, whoever thinks coattails she can jump on, she will with that. And of course, uh my pet peeve, micromanager to the extreme. I I put for her. Yeah, I can see that. Moving down the list for Cornelius Fudge. Once again, for the pros, I put it's a high profile position. You're working for uh him, you know, it and it can open more doors to further opportunities, as it's uh obviously the much larger organization than than uh Voldemort's squad. He was probably the most moral of all the choices we were given. Uh well, yeah, of the choices given. Of the choices given. I mean, he realized that he'd done wrong. I mean, it was way too late by then, but he uh he he realized it was wrong. He also realized that finally firing Dumbledore was a bad idea. He just didn't have the backbone to Well, he never filed Dumbledore.

Patrick 25:04

Dumbledore never took his position.

Warren 25:07

Okay.

Patrick 25:07

Dumbledore did he wanted to stay out of politics. Right. Okay. But he sought he always sought his guidance. Man, it's been a long time. I've actually dumped jumped into the Harry Potter universe, and I don't know if I'm gaining respect or losing it at this moment, but whatever, I'll take it.

Warren 25:25

And then his cons, well, he's completely politically motivated, so he's gonna go whichever way the wind blows, and he has zero backbone.

Patrick 25:34

Yeah, I agree with that.

Warren 25:35

And then Lucius Malfoy, a successful businessman, you know, he does seem pretty bright. Uh oh. Okay, but I'm gonna disagree with I mean, what was his business? I can't tell you.

Patrick 25:48

Um because he was a trust fund baby. He just he he inherited stuff from his dark parents, probably. I I haven't been deep into the depths of JK Rowling's brain. I'm sure it's out there somewhere. But I'm pretty sure he was a trust fund. I th I thought he had a they owned a business. No, he just he just gave money all the time to like sway. He was a lobbyist.

Warren 26:12

A lobbyist, okay. I like that.

Patrick 26:14

Okay. But he ne uh that's all he did as far as I'm aware. He just knew the right people and he he gave money to the right people.

Warren 26:21

But I did have, even though he's a Death Eater, he does have a conscience. You know, he he bailed on Voldemort to save his own family.

Patrick 26:31

I guess so. It was kind of forced decision.

Warren 26:34

But he he did have a decision to make, so uh no.

Patrick 26:38

As far as I'm concerned, he's not even in this conversation. He's not a boss. He has he's never worked a day of his lif of his life, and yeah. Well, I came up with Karen of the Harry Potter universe.

Warren 26:49

Uh well, I came up with a couple of other characters I wanted to get your feedback who weren't on the on the list and see what you thought of.

Patrick 26:58

This is all we're doing for the rest of the episode.

Warren 26:59

Sorry, if you if you're if you don't like Harry Potter, I'm sorry.

Patrick 27:03

You're you've are actually you're already gone if you've left us. If you stayed, welcome. Welcome to Harry Potter Talk.

Warren 27:08

So uh obviously the first person not listed I uh list uh I put on my list was Dumbledore. I mean uh Sure. Headmaster. I one of the comments I put is ridiculously intelligent. And he was always two, three steps ahead of everybody else.

Patrick 27:26

Um I would say hired the right people. He utilized the expertise of the people around him.

Warren 27:33

I I put empowered others. Yeah. Uh but I also put uh as a side note, he he trusts others too much even to a fault. Yeah. So I I put that. But on the uh cons list for him, he he has disappeared from work from time to time. And uh he also relies on others to do a lot of his job, like Professor McGonagall. He relies on her quite heavily to do things that may be considered his job.

Patrick 28:01

Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, he does a lot of traveling, a lot of secret projects. He's trying to take down the Dark Lord. Yeah. Uh then That's a pretty hefty side hobby he has.

Warren 28:12

He's got a side hustle, yeah. Then uh that brought me to Professor McGonagle. Uh for her pros, I put she's uh, you know, all a lot of these people, it just goes back to how smart they are. Um but I did put she's extremely fair because she would you know take points away from Gryffindor just as quick as she would from any of the any of the houses. So very fair. She was ex she was extremely fair, but she was I also put that she's strict but caring. She she cared about all of her students, not only the Gryffindor students. She she was you know caring for all of 'em.

Patrick 28:49

I think she'd be great at employee relations. She wouldn't take a whole lot of shit. She would just do what needs to be done.

Warren 28:58

I I I didn't think of that, but I would absolutely agree with that. Yes. Now I only came up with one con for her, and that she's hard to read. You d you don't always know what she puts on a good I think that's a good thing for like an H. HR person, though, is you you got keeping it.

Patrick 29:18

Yeah.

Warren 29:18

Having that poker face when you know you're just wanting to just say, What the fuck are you thinking the whole time? No, I think I think she would be an excellent poker. Employee relations manager. Yep. So I went next down to Snape.

Patrick 29:34

Okay.

Warren 29:34

Uh once again, pros, I I just like virtually everybody else, I put smart. Uh he he's uh the dark arts, he's the the smartest. Well, he wanted the dark arts, but he was not.

Patrick 29:47

I think I see Snape as like a really good, like a benefits enrollment specialist. I think he he understands all the different ingredients and and potions and and how things come together and he can really explain those things. Maybe in a little more forceful way than you need to, but some people need that. They need that little kick in the butt to get their their enrollments done and all those things. So I think he would be a better like benefits-focused HR specialist.

Warren 30:15

And I've You don't really want him in a leadership role. You know, I I wish they'd developed Snape a little bit more.

Patrick 30:21

I mean, they did a lot and he's probably got the best character arc in the series, so I don't know about that.

Warren 30:26

I I would I would like to I would like to see him more in a leadership role. Uh but obviously he remains calm under pressure. That's one of the top things I put for Snape. He Well, yeah. He's he can maintain that poker face very well. Uh he's calm under pressure, but he's moody, and he absolutely plays favorites. So I only had two more, but if you want to throw some other characters out there to discuss, uh I put Sirius Black in there. Okay. I I could I sort of considered him uh one of the people. Yeah, we're losing, we're losing a lot of people. Am I going too down too far deep down the rabbit hole? No, fuck it. Let's dig. Keep on digging. You know, I considered him sort of one of the leaders of uh Dumbledore's army. And he's definitely bold and encouraging leader. He's he's he can be very charismatic and bold, at least in the earlier parts of the series. Well, spoiler alert.

Patrick 31:23

He doesn't make it to the end. Yeah, I should have put a spoiler on this if you're I think it's 20 years old now.

Warren 31:35

I think uh That's true, yeah. If you don't know, you don't know. But I also put he's uh independent thinker. You know, his he's uh the black family's purebloods, and he rejects that pureblood notion and idea.

Patrick 31:50

You know, I think I think Sirius Black might be a good HRS analyst. Uh oh. I think he's a I think he's a problem solver, uh, a forward thinker. He's not afraid to to kind of try things and encourage people to try things. Yes. I mean but you know, maybe he's not as good of a problem solver. That's Okay. So uh yeah, his problem solving skills might not be up to par. He might be a good like HRS like specialist. Assistant. Maybe yeah, maybe HR assistant.

Warren 32:19

Yeah. I put for his cons he's not the best decision maker. Yeah. Uh and of course we gets riled up a little easily. He gets riled up and he sort of loses it altogether toward at the end.

Patrick 32:31

Yeah, now I'm trying to think who would be the best HRIS analyst out there in the Harry Potter world. Never mind, he's very analytical.

Warren 32:37

Well, I I think my next character might be the one you want. Arthur Weasley. Uh I kind of think he might fit that role, and I put it prose, he's extremely fair. I mean, he's the one who wrote the laws to protect muggles, and he he he took a beating for doing that, so he did what was right even with well.

Patrick 33:00

There's that, but I agree with you, but not for that reason. I actually do like him, but I like him because he's a tinkerer. Uh yes, he's he likes to tinker with things and figure out how they work, and that is actually a perfect maybe analogy for an HRS analyst not being afraid to get in there and figure things out and play around with it, and so yes, I like him, not for your reason, but I do think he's a perfect because he likes to tinker with things.

Warren 33:22

Yep.

Patrick 33:22

Figure things out.

Warren 33:23

And uh yes. I put he's not an elitist and that he cares more about his team than himself. He's he's very much the the total team player under under there.

Patrick 33:36

Now hot damn, you know what? We just we just created a new podcast. I'm sorry for all the jaded HR fans out there, but we're now changing this to Fantasy HR, where we go through different fantasy universes and figure out how to make put the bet together the best HR. Welcome to Fantasy HR, goodbye, jaded HR. You were you had a good run.

Warren 33:52

Next week is Lord of the Rings. I was gonna say that. No, uh on the con side for art, uh, Arthur Weasley. I put uh obviously he could not control Fred and George terribly well, but it worked out for Fred and George for the most part. What's that look for?

Patrick 34:13

We just lost so many people, and I love it. It just cracks me up. It's the title of the episode might just be this isn't for everyone.

Warren 34:21

And then he is a people pleaser. He doesn't have he he he's more concerned about making others happy than uh you know, in other ways. So those are like the additional characters I came up with. Are there any uh characters that you would want to and I didn't put any of the real kids in there? Uh because that's all right. More overrated. Hagrid, I I thought about Hagrid, but you know, what would it be like working for for him? It'd be like he'd be Michael Scott. Uh just that delegate, delegate, delegate. Hopefully you'll dumb luck into something.

Patrick 34:57

Yeah, I don't know. I think right now we just need to tell the people what we want them to do before we just before this becomes an hour-long episode.

Warren 35:05

Yeah, no, exactly. So no. Thank you for listening to us. We really enjoy your support. But we we do want your feedback. Our our friend Chris in Canada gave us some uh great uh review. I have not checked the reviews this week, so I don't know if we've gotten anything new in. But thank you for your feedback. But what we want you to do is just get follow us on your social media. I'm only going to talk about two of our uh social media channels today just to keep it short and sweet. Twitter, we're at HR underscore jaded, and Instagram, we're jaded underscore HR. We post keep it simple. Keep it simple, but engage us on social media. You can send us your questions, comments, concerns, stories. You can tell us we suck. Uh whatever it is you want to do, you can reach us there and you know we'll read your comments online. But we definitely want your stories, we want your ideas for episodes. Hey, wouldn't it be cool if you all talked about uh Harry Potter and the HR world?

Patrick 36:07

Send us your favorite fantasy world and how we would like to analyze it from an HR perspective.

Warren 36:12

Fantasy HR fiction. And we know, unfortunately, that it does exist in the Star Trek universe. So go back and find that episode.

Patrick 36:24

The audio is bad for that one. Don't do that. Well, I'd just like to take a minute to thank the underscore orchestra for the use of their song Devil with the Devil that we use for our intro and outro music. And we like to end each episode with a lovely best practice for you to take to your workplace. And my best practice for this week is rent a mariachi band. Thank you all for listening to another episode of Jaded HR. I'm Patrick Nsillas.

Warren 36:54

And I'm Warren Workman, and we're helping you survive HR World One what the fuck moment at a time.