U.S. Phenomenon with Mario Magaña
Welcome to "U.S. Phenomenon" with Mario Magaña, a riveting podcast that dives deep into the unexplained and the extraordinary. Join Mario, the host as he explores the most intriguing paranormal events, alien encounters, and mysterious sightings across the United States. With his unique blend of real-life experience and passion for the unexplained, Mario brings you thrilling stories and expert insights in every episode. Whether it's alien abductions, ghostly apparitions, or cryptozoological creatures, Mario's engaging storytelling will captivate and keep you on the edge of your seat. Tune in to "U.S. Phenomenon" and embark on a journey into the unknown that will have you questioning everything you thought you knew.
U.S. Phenomenon with Mario Magaña
Unraveling the Mysteries of Ghostly Encounters
Ghost hunters Ross and June from aghost.org share spine-tingling tales and insights into the paranormal world, especially during the thrilling month of Spooktober. What was the unexplainable shadow in Port Gamble, Washington that sparked June's passion for ghost hunting? Our spirited discussion covers the importance of reporting paranormal events promptly while emphasizing the need for exploration beyond just Halloween, with Port Gamble offering the perfect eerie backdrop for such quests.
As we navigate through the challenges modern paranormal investigators face, Ross and June reveal how TV shows have shaped public perception, often leading to a rush in labeling experiences as demonic. June, also known as the "ghost therapist," highlights her role in providing logical explanations for ghostly occurrences, ranging from misunderstood radiator noises to urban legends like the "13 Steps to Hell." Join us as we balance skepticism with belief while sharing our chilling yet rational ghost stories.
We then uncover the allure of haunted historical sites, from the ghostly halls of the Queen Mary to the enigmatic Benson Hotel. Seattle's rich paranormal history comes alive as we explore its transformation and intriguing ghost stories, including the misunderstood history of Ouija boards. With Ross's upcoming events and tales of Seattle's urban development and haunted allure, this episode promises a captivating journey through the Pacific Northwest's supernatural lore.
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Speaker 2:From the Pacific Northwest in the shadow of the 1962 World's Fair, the Space Needle. This is US Phenomenon and I am your host, mario Magana, thanks for hanging out with us this evening. We are going to go down the journey. It is Spooktober, so we need to get into the ghosts and goblins of the world. Tonight we will go to hang out with two of the most renowned individuals doing ghost hunting, and our two guests are special. They are from aghostorg.
Speaker 2:Our guest, ross and june, are going to join us here in just a few seconds, but ross is a renowned ghost hunter, paranormal investigator and author a lecture. I can't even believe that he's been doing this for 30 years. He's. He's got that baby face going on right now. Ross has explored, he's been on the show multiple times and his partner, j June, joins us from the website as well and has been a huge contribution with her experiences in the paranormal investigation work and the community and engagement. We're going to ask them, these two individuals, what's going on in the world of paranormal. It is my pleasure to welcome them back to the show. Well, welcome Ross, back to the show and June, welcome to US Phenomenon. It's a pleasure to have you guys here and happy Spooktober Well thanks for having us.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 2:Okay. So now that we know that it's like scary season, ross, I mean we've talked before, we've gone through the paracent stuff with you. What's different about a ghostorg now? What? What's going on in your guys's world? What are we doing locally, nationally? I know this is like the, the creme de la creme of time to be looking for ghosts and goblins and and having paranormal, should we say. Is there more awareness of the paranormal or people now searching for it more, or is the paranormal finding us more? What's really going on out there?
Speaker 3:well, I think people are a little more aware of it in the month of October because it's Halloween season, so people want to hear their ghost stories and get their spook on. So they do tend to reach out to us more in the fall season rather than, you know, summer or spring when activity happens. You know any season 24-7. Any, any season 24 7. So it it can get a little frustrating. You know that. You know we can go through these. You know dry spells where no one wants to ghost hunt in the summer but yet they want us all in the fall.
Speaker 2:So keeps us extra busy during this season so essentially, uh, when we're talking people out here talking about their, their paranormal things, every, I guess, as you're saying, look paranormal is 24, seven, three, 65, three, 66 days a year. Don't come. Don't come knocking on the door in the month of.
Speaker 2:October, like late September, early October, expecting you're getting a ghostbusters to come to your house to start doing some paranormal investigation work, when you really should be coming all all year round. As soon as something happens, come to you guys, go to your website, make, make a. You know, make make an entry, submit something to you guys, email you guys. Um, right june, let me ask you this what's the wildest thing that you've seen so far that's come across, uh, your experience and your vast knowledge out here, uh, right now, with any type of paranormal um investigation work you've done, or even encounters.
Speaker 3:Well, you know clarified that it was ghosts.
Speaker 4:Yeah, um, you know, we've been all over the world so we've had some amazing experiences. One of the things that I think that one of the I guess the defining moment where, well, when I first got into paranormal investigating, I was a major skeptic. I really didn't believe in hardly anything, believe in hardly anything, and when I had my very first experience that I couldn't explain, that's what really, you know, got me on this path and got me kind of hooked forever. It was I don't know if you've heard of Port Gamble, Washington.
Speaker 2:Very familiar with Port Gamble Washington.
Speaker 4:Very familiar with Port.
Speaker 2:Gamble Washington, very familiar, very familiar. Grew up out there on the weekends.
Speaker 4:Oh, wow, that's awesome. Well, in the Walker Ames house I had an experience where I saw a shadow that was not connected to a person and when I went to investigate it I was like who is that? So I walk over there and as soon as I start to walk over to the shadow, it comes towards me and disappears. Well, with my brain, you know, still wired thinking that had to have been a person who was standing over there. And I found my friends in the other room and I said who is just standing in the hallway? And of course no one was standing in the hallway and it just blew my mind.
Speaker 4:I had to try to debunk it. I even cut a leaf in a person shape and stuck it on the window to see if maybe a leaf or a bird had landed on the window and cast the shadow. And it was a stone glass window and there was no way that that could have happened. So it was, you know, kind of interesting. And later that night somebody else who didn't know my experience swears they saw a shadow in that area also.
Speaker 2:So it was pretty amazing and we, for those who haven't had an opportunity to hang out at port gamble, uh, great stuff going on out there. Small little quaint, little old um logging town that has been around for a long time. Um, a lot of fishery, a lot. There's a lot of native indigenous uh, there's an indigenous tribe that lives in the area. But going out to port gamble itself is quite special because there is so much going on in that little corner of the the world, in that little tiny vicinity, and uh, and how much paranormal stuff is going on out there and how much investigation work has gone out there in the past.
Speaker 2:Um, so when we talk about this, I'm going to bring in this experience that happened to me recently. Now I was laying in bed like I don't know if I was like fully asleep, I don't. I know I wasn't asleep, but I felt like someone tapped me on the shoulder and I and I I blew it off. I'm like, oh, that's nothing, cause in my world it doesn't exist. I live by myself, you know my daughter on the weekends and things of that nature, but when it comes to these types of things, I typically always just like it's nothing. It really was nothing, but it could have been. I mean, you know here in west seattle where the home studio is. I mean maybe where the the building lies. Maybe it was, maybe there was some indigenous tribe here, or maybe someone died here and maybe someone was trying to get my attention. Who knows?
Speaker 2:west seattle has a lot of ghost stories but definitely, and what's interesting to me is people who may come to you guys and say, hey, someone, I felt, something you know, or like they'll come to you and say I felt like this cool breeze or the tap of someone touching you. Do you're like, you're crazy. You guys. Don't say that, right? No?
Speaker 4:We don't say that.
Speaker 3:No, well, that's why I did a whole documentary on touch.
Speaker 2:Right, right, and it's cool that the technology that has really advanced in the things that you guys done with the documentaries, ross, as you were talking about, since you've done that documentary and now focusing and still you doing a lot of things, that a lot of traveling in your adventures of traveling, lectures and things of that nature. Are you finding more people coming to you with experiences of ha lectures and things of that nature? Are you finding more people coming to you with experiences of haunts and haunted places?
Speaker 3:oh yeah, oh, yeah, you know, and the nice thing about it is, you know, since I've gotten to be, uh, more public with my research, you're, you're finding more people wanting to seek you out because they are a little frustrated with the way ghost hunting is portrayed through most media. You know television shows. So when they started to see somebody who was a little more serious in their approach, you know, and not afraid of the science, of real science, not just a box that lights up with you know, letters or numbers or anything else they wanted, you know somebody who actually wanted to collect the data and put it out there.
Speaker 2:So once they realized that there was somebody out there even other fellow ghost hunters the stories just really started coming in and the experiences so yeah, it's amazing how, when we talk about the different experiences that you're seeing June, what you get to see out there and your experiences, let's kind of break down an area that may in the first half of the show. Let's talk about some things that you're seeing now versus what you've previously saw in your guys' adventures. Like right now, let's talk about when I think of a ghost. Why do we always just think of silhouette exorcist? I mean because, as I know, you were talking about the media piece, but not all ghosts are bad, right, oh, we could do a whole show on that. Believe me, that's that and that I know the question.
Speaker 4:The end thing right now is the demons, yeah, the end thing. I can't even tell you how many people have tried to contact me and saying, oh, my keys are on the floor. It has to be a demon. It's like, oh, you know things like that. So demons are really in right now, especially on all the TV shows.
Speaker 2:Is it more of a fad? Now it is.
Speaker 3:It really is becoming more of a fad, because we watch a lot of these shows. That's all they're looking for now. Every, every, every place they investigate it. It's all demons and and it's it's frustrating for us because we really do try to have more of a scientific and a more skeptical approach in our ghost hunting. And when people call us or call June cause usually June's the first person they have to go through and they'll constantly tell us that they already have it in their head that it's a demon that's haunting their house. Now they just want us to come in and get rid of it. And so poor June is like well, why do you think it's a demon? Well, because I've watched all these shows and they describe what I'm experiencing the exact same way you get the chills.
Speaker 3:You know, so they really push this fear factor on people. And so you know, and I'll let June, you know, step in, I want to, you know, say words for June. But it is frustrating what you know she has to go through just to try and talk people off the ledgesges to give.
Speaker 2:Let us give you a second opinion, sure june, you feel like when you're talking yeah, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off here, but are you? It almost seems to me like you guys are like almost like a, a psychic, not no, excuse me, you're more like a hotline for ghost therapy.
Speaker 3:Yes, psychologist yeah ghostologist.
Speaker 4:Well, you know, I think it's really important. You know, even some of the really outlandish people that I talk to, who I think are outlandish, you know, maybe it's, you know, maybe I need a more open mind, especially about the ghost of the goldfish that's haunting somebody that died in the goldfish bubbles. But you know, I think a lot of people are actually really think that they are having something you know happen and it's not my place to like go. You know you're cray-cray, you know they need somebody to listen to them and I think a lot of people they just wanted somebody to listen to them and not judge them. You know, sometimes I may be judging inside, but not really. You know, I just want to listen to what they are going through. And then, you know, I want to just point out that let us come over and see if we can do an investigation and maybe we can see what's going on. Maybe there's a rational explanation for what's going on in your house.
Speaker 4:You know, it's like the one woman that we had an investigation and she was hearing somebody walk up her staircase every night around the same time. And even though we had somebody, you know we had people in different positions in the house and we heard this. You know well, she usually went to bed early and so at night she'd go up there. She'd, you know, be all snug in her bed and she swear she heard ghostly footsteps coming up. But we found out that's the radiator downstairs and it was bumping like bum bum and it was vibrating through the staircase and it sounded like, um, you know, somebody walking up the stairs.
Speaker 4:But even though we presented her with that evidence, she just, you know, she couldn't believe it. She goes. I know the difference between footsteps and the radiator, you know, and it's like we heard this, it's exactly. And even though she said, yes, that's exactly the noise that we're hearing, um, you know, she was convinced that there was a ghostly presence walking up the stairs slowly and and we were like, well, you know, okay, and of course you know she could find another team to come in and maybe corroborate her story that it's actually a demon going up her staircase and she needs to sell her house. But we won't get into that story either.
Speaker 2:Or she needs to find someone who can fix her radiator.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's interesting because We've had several things like that.
Speaker 2:It's interesting when you talk about those types of stories versus some of the real, some of the encounters or the recorded data and collected information that you guys do get in regards to your ghost going out and looking for paranormal activity.
Speaker 2:And when I say paranormal activity, you know and you talked about the demons piece, it reminded me of thinking of the, the movie paranormal activity, and every time I watch those movies I'm like this, I I just cannot like. That is the worst fear, as as and I'm sure there are a test of other people that are hanging out, driving around at night. And this is why I love doing the radio show at night, because we can talk about spooky, scary things. And people are driving somewhere right now, you know, maybe heading to a harvest festival, coming back from a haunted house or some type of you know whatever escape games, and you know things that people do during this time of season we could do a whole show on just roadside ghosts, oh and and we should talk about some of these things and at least give these, give some you, our listeners, an adventure of.
Speaker 2:The one thing I think of the most is some of the most haunted places and I know during the pandemic everyone was talking about on all the social platforms, tiktok and I don't think so much on Instagram, but TikTok was the huge craze about the dumb cemetery in maulby calf in maulby, washington, about the seven. You know the seven. You know the, the seven steps to hell, or however those 13 steps to hell yeah the 13, thank you the 13 steps to hell and yeah, you're like it's wild. It's wild to think about that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I've been there and it's just a small little cemetery surrounded by houses. They do keep a watch on it now because they've had so many problems because of that urban legend of if you take the 13 steps, walk down the 13 steps to hell, you'll see your life flash before your eyes or see how you're going to die, or something like that. There's all kinds of different stories, right, but every time we went to investigate it, all you would see is a bunch of empty beer cans and beer bottles and you just realize that this is just a bunch of, like you know, high school students or you know college students just going in there to scare each other and get their girlfriends in there to get scared, right?
Speaker 2:and it's. It's funny because that's. I remember interviewing someone way back in the day and she said the same thing. She's like everyone was drinking. You know, and we're not condoning any type of underage drinking and I think the last time we went you can't even go onto the property. Now, I think it's now yeah, I think it's a lot it's under lock and key. There's just no way for you to get on camp, onto the, the cemetery you have to get permission to go on that.
Speaker 4:You have a relative that is buried in the cemetery, so you have to get a letter, you have to get permission and you do have to, you know, I think even be escorted on there now if you want to pay respects to old family members.
Speaker 3:Sure sure and see these types of and it's unfortunate that it has to be that way.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 3:Because you know people want to be disrespectful and even sometimes go in and disrupt the area and kick down. You know, because they get drunk and they start kicking down tombstones cause they think it's cool. They can impress their girlfriends, you know, say, oh, look at this.
Speaker 2:It's funny you say that because in that story, um, in the podcast we did with this gal who was a high schooler who she made her boyfriend pick up the the, the stoop, the tombstones and put them back. She's like you're being disrespectful. Good for her, and obviously I mean unless you have family there, no one's going to Malt Beaver Cafe.
Speaker 4:But some of the other places I think of is like the saloon in Snohomish, the Oxford Saloon, oxford yeah, that was one of my very first investigations when I moved out to um, when I started getting into the paranormal out here in seattle. It was like one, my very first investigations that I got to do. What did you find out?
Speaker 2:because we've I mean I've interviewed the, the gms there and I mean, what are we finding out there? I mean, I didn't really get so much of of of an inclination or feeling anything, and I'll tell you where I actually had some type of an experience. But did you guys find anything while you were there at the Oxford Saloon?
Speaker 3:God, it's been so long since I've done that.
Speaker 3:That was probably over 20 years for me since we did that. Unfortunately, we have tried to get back into the oxford saloon but they've had so many bad investigators get in and do disrupt and be disrespectful and just be, you know, real jerks that they've stopped. They don't let ghost hunters in there anymore to do ghost hunts. I would love to to get back in there because, like I said, it's been over 20 years since I've been in that place and, if I can remember correctly, it was a good investigation.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Wow, I mean, I'm trying to remember too what we experienced there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean they let me come in and hang out.
Speaker 4:It was so exciting.
Speaker 2:And do the radio show.
Speaker 3:No, and they got a great story too. In fact, there is a story of physical phenomena, and I want to film an episode of Parasense there where people have been touched in the bathroom. I think it's in the men's bathroom where guys are touched and they claim that it's. They're touched by one of the old um um prostitutes that used to work there and so they say, guys will be touched in the men's bathroom, and I'm like, oh, this is perfect for parasense. And I pursued them.
Speaker 3:I said I would love to film an episode of presence and they just said, no, they just said, just like they can't let any more, any more investigators in there it's crazy and that's another challenge for us ghost hunters is because you get a lot of, you know, really bad groups out there that ruin it for us to try and get into some of these very credible haunted places I will have to hit them up and see if maybe I can uh work that you can, I will love you on the episode with me.
Speaker 2:I will call them and see if we might be able to work that thing out, because the other place that I think of that and I don't go, and this is why I go to you guys, or and I we'd love having you guys on the show to like, get your boots on ground on some of these places. But some of the other places I think about is the everett historical theater now, oh yeah, when I was there, I felt something and I was like, oh, something's not right. Going downstairs to the green room, that place gave me the chills. I was like like, oh, there's something here. I was like there is something about this place that just doesn't feel right. You feel something.
Speaker 3:I felt it go through me and it wasn't like yeah, that's another great place and I unfortunately, the one time that I've had the opportunity to investigate it, I was filming Parasense. We were doing some experiments there and of course I didn't really get to investigate because I was busy, you know, setting up experiments and stuff. So people that actually did some experiments on Parasense, they actually had some pretty interesting experiences. Now I know June has actually had the opportunity to actually do a couple investigations.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I know one time that I was there it was about I mean, we had a lot of really interesting things happen that night, but it wasn't really until about 4 o'clock in the morning and I was cleaning up things in the basement getting ready to go home the morning. And I was cleaning up things in the basement getting ready to go home, I was picking up all the extension cords and the equipment and packing it away when the other person with me all of a sudden comes running down and says you've got to come up here. I'm hearing like crazy stuff. And I was like, okay, so I go upstairs and we are very quiet and we're standing there and sure enough, we are hearing footsteps this is literal footsteps going up and down the steps. The elevator keeps raising and lowering.
Speaker 4:We swear that we heard like whistling behind the stage. We just kept hearing all these things and it was about 4 or 5 in the morning, I'm sure it was around 4 in the stage. We just kept hearing all these things and it was about four or five in the morning, I'm sure it was around four in the morning and yeah, it was just. It was just crazy, it's like, and there was no other businesses open. We were going outside just to check to make sure nobody else was in any of the other buildings around. It was a, I mean, it was a ghost town, but it was dark. There was no other cars. There was, you know, no people out. It was.
Speaker 2:It was just crazy, it was great and what's interesting about the, about the everett historical theaters. It's in old town, everett, so it's very old school for those who haven't had the opportunity to go up there. Um, and and to my recollection, being a part of it and like walking through, and I'm like visually right now just going through, some of the things that I saw just could not be explained. Like why is there light in this one area when they're? You know, there's no light in that, like you can see different things in different areas, and it's not like there was like some scrim bouncing light off of something. It was just like you saw some type of sphere, something that was a light image, not of anything I could tell, but it was just like light in that specific area. I'm like where's that coming from? You didn't know, um, and it wasn't like there in that specific area.
Speaker 2:I'm like where is that coming from? You didn't know. And it wasn't like there was a light guy up there like shining a light or anything Like lights were off. Just that place had a sense of something extra was going on and a lot of movement, a lot of activity. At least that was the feeling I got while I was there no, no, I I believe you it's.
Speaker 3:I've I've gotten a lot of interviews of people, of having some amazing experiences like june said she's at her own personal experiences. I would love to go back and hopefully have my own personal experiences as well.
Speaker 2:It's interesting because a lot of these places uh, seem to have, um, either teamed up or or no longer. Like I, I'm I'm sure you know, do heck? I mean you've been on the radio, show them. You know the historical theater? I'm like, hey, we'd love to have you guys come on. I mean these people, if people are listening, they're like you gotta get. These are historical places. People want to hear about it. People don't even talk about Portland and how the Benson Hotel is haunted. They don't even want people talking about the Benson Hotel in Portland. It's haunted, there's a huge story behind it. No one wants to talk about it because it may damage the people coming to stay at their location.
Speaker 3:It's funny you bring that up too, because one of the books I wrote was Haunted Historic Hotels, sure, and there were a lot of times where I would reach out to some of these hotels and I'd say you know, I hear you guys may have some ghosts and they just hang up on me, sure. Or you guys may have some ghosts and they just hang up on me, sure. But the ones that are more open about it will find that their haunted rooms will be booked years in advance because it's so popular, especially nowadays. You know the hype and ghost hunting People will, you know, spend you know big bucks to spend the night in a haunted room. So it's very popular nowadays.
Speaker 3:So I don't know why a lot of these hotels would be like no, no, we're not haunted when it does bring in a lot of people.
Speaker 2:And not only that, but I think you really got to take advantage of that and say here's a historical piece, take it for what it is. If you think it's haunted, great. If you don't, it's a history piece, take it for what it is. If you think it's haunted, great. If you don't, it's a history piece. You're learning about the historical piece about the hotel and what was there during that time and frame that there may be this alleged haunt and the thing is is usually they're haunted hotels.
Speaker 3:They only have like one or two, maybe three haunted rooms, sure, so you can always tell people oh, you don't have to stay in that room if you're scared of the ghosts.
Speaker 2:Right, we got plenty of the rooms right, right, exactly our, our guests this evening, uh hanging out with us from a ghostorg uh ross oh, uh, just, uh, just doing a quick uh, just reminding everyone who's listening on the radio, uh, who, who? Our guests are this evening? June and Ross hanging out with us from aghostorg. Thank you for hanging out with us this evening. Now, as you were just saying, june, I didn't mean to cut you off there.
Speaker 3:I think she forgot.
Speaker 2:Or it's delayed. I'm not sure which one it is.
Speaker 4:I probably did. No, I was just going to say that when Ross and I, you know, call a lot of times, we're losing her.
Speaker 2:I think we are.
Speaker 4:There we go. Sorry, that's all good.
Speaker 2:What were you saying there?
Speaker 4:Am I back now?
Speaker 2:You are, you're back.
Speaker 4:I was just saying. When Ross and I call a hotel, we always ask can you put us in the most haunted room? And it's funny because some people are like, well, I'm really not supposed to say anything, but or you get the other reception of. Oh yes, you know, room 407 is our most haunted room and you know who knows.
Speaker 3:Here's our journal that everybody's been filling out. You know, sure yeah Other places, I think, that are haunted I mean the Queen Mary in Long Beach.
Speaker 2:Right, we've stayed there, we've stayed there several times. Haunted I mean the Queen Mary in Long. Beach right? Oh yeah, We've stayed there. We've been there several times, yeah, and I heard that that's just a hoot for ghost paranormal activity.
Speaker 3:Oh, it's a really great place. I had the opportunity when I was working on the book Haunted Ships and Lighthouses, to actually investigate do many investigations, I should say, through some of the parts that aren't really open to the public, especially like the pool area. When they give you the tours and talk about the little girl that haunts the pool area, they let you see the pool area from afar. They don't let you go back into the changing rooms. I got to go back into the changing rooms, you know, and I got to go into the engine areas or you know the the part where the young man was crushed by the door. Um, what others are? There's so many good ghost stories there, um, but yeah, I've gotten some great EVPs there. In fact, when I was in that changing room area just doing a little mini ghost hunt, I actually captured what sounds like a little girl, you know, even calling out hey, you Like she was trying to get my attention. But of course with EVPs you don't hear them until you play back your recordings.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow. And that's the part where you're like, damn, I wish I could have had that piece. You know what I mean. Right, then you want to go back. But when you go back and listening to these audios, these EVPs, they're like gold mining, it's like looking for gold, right. You really are like, oh yeah. You're like, oh, I found a piece, I've got a nugget here. When you go back and listen to that, those and and being of the haunted variety, what's your best, queen mary? Little like that got your your heart pumping and got that blood going on. What was you have?
Speaker 3:a story that you think of well, I said I, for me it was just that little girl. Yeah, I have another EVP that I know was out on the deck and I forget what it had said. But that little girl, just, you know, calling out when I know I was the only one there in that room because the guide, you know, he took me around the ship and was telling me ghost stories for the book and he said you know, do you want to go? You know, check out, you know, the this back room that they don't let people go back there. In fact they keep a lot of stuff stored back there so it's not open to the public, and so I just go back there by myself. I'm alone in this space and as clear as day you hear this little girl call out to me. So to me that's one of those moments and she's like hey, you Ross.
Speaker 2:Don't come back here to see the rocks don't come back here and when we come back to, like, places around washington, and, and you start to think about the, the, the seattle area, and you think about the rich history of the city, the fire, them moving, the cemeteries, and then you start to get into the waterfront and obviously they did a great job of redoing the waterfront recently and kind of now that the viaduct is gone and having the, the rebirth of the, the waterfront, from pike place market to now walk down there. But the people don't know. People don't know about the, the 1900s, when the pandemic was going on and the big gold rush was coming through and everyone was making money and and the, the ladies of the night, were working by the pike place market. And then you got the paper that doesn't exist anymore, writing about ross who you know hit the jackpot in Alaska and is staying at the you know Paramount Hotel. And the guy finds you because you're having a drink and he then like, takes you down drugs, you ties you up to the pole down at the waterfront, whites for tide to dismember, to make you unalive and then take your body to to the butterworth mortuary get your 25
Speaker 3:bucks, you just wrote the whole movie for the script for the seattle history.
Speaker 3:There you go you know, know there is a lot, and that's one of the things I've always brought up. Seattle is the youngest city for our country and people always wonder it's like, why does Seattle have ghost stories when it's not as old as, let's say, new York? There's a lot more history there and I said, you know, it doesn't matter how old the places or the location is, it's just, you know a lot. A lot of it is believed to be tied to, you know, major events, major, you know tragic events, um, and you do have a lot of people that lived on this land you know, before us.
Speaker 3:You know Native American tribes, you know fish. These waters lived on the shores. In fact, one of the oldest ghost stories that I share in my book, spooked in Seattle, talks about how there was open beach property in the downtown area. There was open beach property in the downtown area and people used to, you know, lay out on the beach and, you know, play on the water right there, before they built up all the piers, and so there was that section there where people actually one day claimed to see a Native American walking, you know, up the beach and then just disappeared in front of everybody.
Speaker 2:So you know that's, you know one of the oldest stories that I can tell you about seattle so there's a lot of history and a lot of ghost stories as well and when we talk about indigenous tribes, um, I believe they had a cemetery. If I don't remember he was in the downtown core and I don't remember if it was by the more. I'm trying to remember where it was like the more theaters, like my mind, you know, escapes me not the more area, um, there was, um, there was a gully that they filled in. Okay.
Speaker 3:And right off that gully was a Native American cemetery and there was a book I'm trying to remember one of the books where one of the little girls when she was growing up in Seattle she would talk about how she would play in and around that little cemetery. So yes, and then when they filled it all in, especially after the great seattle fire, a lot of that was just moved. A lot of the cemeteries were moved. That's right, because the, the, the, the dirt was more important than it being a cemetery. They needed that dirt. So they started tearing apart everything, even Denny Hotel, which was a grand hotel that was up on the hill, big, beautiful hotel. I mean, they fought to save this hotel from the Great Seattle Fire only to tear it down because the dirt underneath it was more important.
Speaker 2:It's interesting because you talk about that. And then the cemetery at denny park, oh yeah and then they move park yeah, and they moved them, and then they moved them and they moved them up to, uh, the top of the hill.
Speaker 3:I forget the well a lot of people don't know this, but one of the first uh cemeteries when they started to regrade Seattle was Volunteer Park. Volunteer Park was a cemetery, that's right. And a journalist was going through the cemetery of Volunteer Park and said, gosh, this overwhelming feeling came over him and he just heard this voice say to him this was meant for the living, not the dead, and he published that in his article. And so that's when they decided to move the bodies that were in volunteer park over to the cemetery right next to it lakeview cemetery, so to lakeview, right, is that what you said?
Speaker 2:like, yeah, that's right. All right, I was denny. The denny hotel, um, yeah, the denny Park, the one on 2nd and Stewart. I guess 1853 is what they were showing here, 1884. Well, seattle's first cemetery was a municipal cemetery from 1861 right in downtown at Denny Park, which is crazy to think that people were buried at that park there and then they were all extracted and moved up and I believe there was a lady that they pulled out.
Speaker 3:Well, there are stories that Denny Park is haunted. People have claimed to see apparitions walking around Denny Park and they think that it could be haunted because they may have missed some of the bodies when they moved them.
Speaker 2:I mean, I know that the park has been reactivated. There are no more and I know people have the stigma about seattle being like you know the homeless and things of that nature, and I'm not trying to be insensitive to the homeless community, but I know that there was an encampment that was living at the park for a while. I don't know that I would be living there just because of you know our, what our conversations are about, you know typically, but that would be an interesting place. I typically in my conversation, in walks with people, if I'm in the city, if I am walking in there, there have been times where I will not walk through the park because it's either too dark or b.
Speaker 2:I don't want an encounter you know, I, I know I talk about this stuff on the show or I'm I'm fascinated. I'm sure there are a lot of people that are just like me who are fascinated by this stuff. But, like like I, I want to know. But I don't know that. I really want to know.
Speaker 2:I kind of want to know from afar like what you don't know won't hurt you, right, exactly. But I'm sure there's a ton of people that are out there like that, who live just like me vicariously, are like yeah, I'm really interested, let's talk about maybe, well, that's why these ghost hunting shows are so popular, sure because, people are too afraid to go some for themselves, but they want to see what happens let's talk about another area that we probably haven't talked about.
Speaker 2:I know that's been another older city such as like tacoma, and I know that there's what's interesting about. We talk about the modern day of of these cities seattle, tacoma, um, even like when you start to talk about how, during the pandemic, people moved out to different areas. But Tacoma has really changed its footprint and how it's looked from its young.
Speaker 3:Well, even Seattle. Sure, sure, you know, I used to hang out in Seattle, you know, back in the 90s and it was, you know, go clubbing and all that stuff. And now when I go through seattle it's I can't even recognize it. I'm like in the you know city area and I'm just like, where is this? There's so many new buildings, sure some of the old ones gone. You know the same thing with tacoma. It's just like you go to some of these places, these cities are growing so fast and then you know, unfortunately, tearing down the old, that it's you can't recognize some of these places anymore.
Speaker 2:I think I was just telling june before we started doing the radio show earlier. That's the. This area seems to be like a tear down, rebuild, tear down, rebuild, tear down, rebuild. A lot of that art, some of that history, is lost in regards to the, the architecture of some of these amazing buildings.
Speaker 2:I mean think of of yesler way. You, you know, let's go back to downtown seattle. You think about yesler way and how there used to be that hotel there and now they have that, that triangle ship wreckage, a parking garage, the sinking ship.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and, and that was a hotel garage, the sinking ship.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and that was a hotel back in the day, you know way back.
Speaker 3:Um, uh, seattle hotel is called and that parking garage is actually believed to be haunted.
Speaker 2:Just so, you know, I parked there, you know, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but but merchants, uh, building across the street and going, you know, working, working at trinity nightclub, which is for some of our audience members. There is a nightclub, there's a restaurant called merchants cafe and then next door is a place called trinity nightclub and I was going to go use the restroom at merchants cafe. So and I went down, oh, yes, right, I went downstairs and i-oh yes, right, I went downstairs and.
Speaker 2:I was like, oh, this is weird, it is damp, it is dreary down there, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:We actually that's part of our ghost tours for Spooked in Seattle is we'll take people down there. I've actually had some very interesting experiences in that location. Merchants is one of my favorite spots in the Seattle area.
Speaker 2:What do you think it is about that place?
Speaker 3:Well, there's history there. That's where Seattle was born. Sure, you know that's one of. Well, that spot, right there is probably the more historic spot, considered its Pioneer Square. You know, since the Great Seattle Fire, that's where they all rebuilt. Right there, there is probably the more historic spot, no, considered it's pioneer square. You know, since the great seattle fire, that's where they all rebuilt, right there. Um, so you still have some connections to the original historic part of the original pioneer square down below. Yeah, so you know they're still connected to the, you know, seattle underground and that's where you had a lot of shadier things going on, because the underground itself, those basements, are where seattle started. Sure, a hundred, you know they had.
Speaker 3:It was like that's it's where all the original buildings were. That was their original footprint, was right there in those basements. They had to raise their land, you know, to get above sea level to deal with, you know, the drainage issues that they had. So rebuilding Seattle was, you know, after the Great Seattle Fire, was this big opportunity for them. And so, you know, when you get into these underground stories, yeah, there's our history right there. That's where it all started. So you got, you know, the opium dens, you got the prostitution people will see apparitions of, you know, of women walking around down in those underground tunnels and they'll just vanish right in front of you. Um, you know, I've had experiences in that bathroom, um, the, the, even in the women's bathroom, where they've had some interesting experiences.
Speaker 3:I remember I was giving a tour and I had taken the tour down into that basement area at Merchant's Cafe, and I was stepping back into that little hallway where the bathrooms are, because I wanted to introduce everybody on my tour to the bathroom, because I was getting ready to tell the story, and as I went to go tell the story, and as I went to go tell the story, you know, of the woman's bathroom, the woman's bathroom door slammed shut and I saw it through the corner of my eye and everybody else heard it because they had not moved far enough to see up the hallway.
Speaker 3:So I immediately, you know, called on a couple females on my tour and I said could you please check and see if somebody's in there? I just wanted to make sure you know if it was somebody in there. And she saw me bringing the tour. She just slammed the door because she was doing her business in the bathroom. Sure, but I just wanted to make sure, you know. So I asked a couple of female tour, uh, female females on the tour, and you know, and one of them was like y'all excited. Her girlfriend was like no, no, no, I'm not going in there. So she goes in there to check and there's nobody in the bathroom. I saw it happen, they all heard it because they were right next to me. So that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 4:And there's no open windows or anything down there. I mean there's no drawers.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's no windows nothing.
Speaker 2:It is one of those. For those who haven't had the experience to do the tour, the underground tour, it is something to do, even like, let's just say, you're I'm going to be a proponent to do local business and support Ross and do this tour. But if you're like, if you're out there and you decide to have lunch at the Merchant's Cafe, go downstairs, check it out. I promise you you'll want to go on Ross' tour. You'll want to go and check it out Because Ross will be able to give you more of an insight, history and the knowledge of what's going on in that area. You're going to see some amazing history. It is so cool to go down there, but it is so eerie and freaky. Of all things I've ever done in my life, I'm like you know, if I go to the bathroom I'm just going to go to the dump hole inside the nightclub I'd rather just there's an alley there too.
Speaker 3:That's been used many times, I'm sure.
Speaker 2:I'm sure, for sure, yeah now there's a korean in that alley, there's a korean barbecue place and they do, uh, korean fried wings. The wings there are fantastic. I see, I've I stopped by, not all the time, but I'm telling you the food in that area has definitely changed, but that that place itself to go downstairs is something else. Let's, um, let's kind of move up the street a little bit.
Speaker 2:Let's go back to the, the market there, and what's interesting is when you talk about post alley and the mortuary and that whole area, that again, because of pioneer square, that area was really full of of of a lot of things that were going on people transitioning through you know the gold, you know the gold rush, uh, people coming in and out. There were a lot of people who were workers, uh, you know ladies of the night, uh, that were working that area. It's interesting because there are some ghosts that do live in that area, um, and but what's crazy is that people drink and eat at kel's irish bar and to think that that place in the basement had dead bodies. They were embalming people, they were cremating building, yeah, the whole.
Speaker 3:You know the funeral home, butterworth funeral. In fact, we we were the first to ever investigate it. We got to investigate it when it was still known as avenue one.
Speaker 3:There was a restaurant right above kel's yes and they had so many problems, you know, happening inside their restaurant. I remember one of my favorite stories to tell was when there was a woman in the women's restroom. She's sitting in the toilet doing her business when she hears somebody come into the women's bathroom and she the the door was high enough that she could see underneath the door and she said she saw men's black dress shoes and black slacks. And she was immediately like, oh you know, a guy accidentally walked into the women's bathroom, sure. And so she calls out and she says, excuse me, I'm in here. No response. And she can see him standing right in front of her stall door and she's like, excuse me, I'm in here, and still no response.
Speaker 3:So she's now extremely uncomfortable, you know, she just knows it's just her and this guy in the bathroom with her. So she immediately puts her hand up on the door. She's trying to brace the door because she doesn't know what he's going to do and she's trying with her other hand, you know, to pull her pants up and get herself, you know, her pants, you know, buttoned up Right, because she's scared, sure, and no one else is coming in the bathroom. So she finally gets herself positioned in a comfortable situation. She swings open the door and there's nobody there. She did not see him leave, she did not hear him leave, but there was nobody there. Come to find out that when Avenue 1 took over that spot, they remodeled it and they had switched the bathrooms because, the women needed a bigger bathroom, and at that time the men's bathroom was much bigger.
Speaker 3:So they switched the bathrooms.
Speaker 2:So the ghost is a male hanging out in the female's bathroom, but he thinks it's the female the male bathroom.
Speaker 3:Yes, oh, wow, so that was an amazing discovery.
Speaker 2:You know's funny. I haven't, you know, I haven't talked to uh mercedes in such a long time and she's been on the show. Do you know? Do you know, mercedes younger?
Speaker 3:oh, yeah, yeah, no, mercedes yeah she moved away. I think she's like in ireland or something like that is she?
Speaker 2:yeah wow, okay, well then she married somebody out there.
Speaker 3:I believe that's well good for her what happened?
Speaker 2:yeah, so then she's not doing anything with the no market tour and all that?
Speaker 3:no, it's all gone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, wow, uh, yeah that that that story is interesting to me because when you talk about that, I think there's a new. There's somebody else in that vote that area now. I think that there's something, a new merchant on that first level it's offices now oh, it is office, okay, yeah the.
Speaker 3:There was an interesting story behind it too, because we investigated it um a couple times when it was um avenue one, sure. Shortly after our investigation we were getting ready to set up a third investigation. They shut down. They unfortunately closed and it sat vacant for a long time. Finally, another restaurant moved in. We had set up to do an investigation because we're excited somebody finally moved in, we can get in there and do an investigation. They actually closed in a very short amount of time too, so we never got to do the investigation after that and since then it sat abandoned for a long time until they decided to open it up for uh tours. And that's when we were able to get back in uh, especially during this renovation, when it was all torn apart and there was still some interesting ghost stories Happening in that place. And now it's all offices I think it's lawyer offices, I believe. So now you can't get in there.
Speaker 2:The whole building In that whole area, and then I think but you can still.
Speaker 3:I do want to point out you can still get into Kel's in the basement, which is where they used to keep the horses and wagons and stuff like that, the hearses and stuff, right. So that is still available and it's still haunted In the post alley and they're very open about their ghosts.
Speaker 2:Yes, they are. They do not shy about that by any means no, they do not.
Speaker 3:So if you do want to have a paranormal experience, or hopefully have a paranormal experience, definitely check out Kel's.
Speaker 2:I remember going to and this will be my last piece about the market there having dinner at the time with my girlfriend at El Bistro, and you know I didn't think anything of it. This is before you know. I was doing the radio show itself and we were there having dinner and you hear this and then you heard someone in the back say oh, they're back and they and.
Speaker 2:I didn't say anything, I just thought, oh, someone must have dropped it. But putting the connection years later, what they meant was the ghost was back and had knocked over the tray. Oh, wow, and I know that there's a resident ghost, I think a lady of the night, that lives there or still frequents the ladies' room there. I believe that's what Mercedes had told us back in the day. I just knew that something had happened During our interview. She was talking about that and that's when I put it together. I was like, oh my God, After all these years.
Speaker 2:That's what was going on june. You guys, when you do some of these, there are some very haunted places around the pacific northwest campsites and we talk about the triangle fire out there over that, the um by would be island by, woodby Island. I know that that area, why can't I think of the camps out there? They got the haunted. What is that place out there in Woodby Island that's supposed to be haunted, where they had the guns and Fort Casey. Yes, Fort Casey.
Speaker 4:Fort Casey around there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, have you guys done any work out there or have any haunts out there in that way?
Speaker 3:I'm trying to think. I know we've toured it, but we've never done an official investigation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'm trying to think. Yeah, nothing official.
Speaker 3:In a lot of the officers' quarters.
Speaker 4:they basically are saying that there's no ghosts in there. They don't even talk about the ghosts in there, but it is a very interesting area. I have to say I really love going out there.
Speaker 2:See, when I we did a I'm not saying we, but when I was we did some camping up in that area and I'm trying to recall that we were in Fort Flagler and it's something about Flagler that just threw me off. I'm like something is not. Something felt off and I was like I don't know about this. I'm like let's go back up there. I'm like I'm not going back up there. It's night, it's dark, there's no back up there. I'm like I'm not going back up there. It's night, it's dark, there's no way you're going to catch me in any of these gun silos. It just did not feel right to me. I definitely came up with a haunted story that I shared at the campfire, but I made the story up but I was just like freaked out. Something to me just felt off about that place.
Speaker 3:So you know, one of my books that I am working on is Haunted. You know Forts and there's so many great ghost stories at a lot of these places. You know because of course you know sometimes these men die. You know, protecting our land. And then of course, you know one of the things that I say is most common with a lot of these haunted forts and you know, and ships and you know haunted submarines and stuff like that is a lot of these men. Their lives were like clockwork. You know they had to be at a certain place at a certain time and do certain things in a certain way.
Speaker 3:Yeah so with those routines, I feel a lot of times those can build up what we call residual hauntings, where you just have this activity happen over and over and over again. And so a lot of times I think that's what people experience are these memories just trapped and playing themselves over and over again because that's what they had to do day in and day out, the same routine over and over again. So I think that explains a lot of hauntings when it comes to some of these forts. But then the military life. You know we talk about this on the Turner Joy when we do tours and overnights on that is. You know, military life is sometimes somebody's full-time life. Sure, you know some of these. You know men never married and had kids. They stayed in service their whole life, you know life, and just kept going up in the ranks. Same thing can happen with the women now as they started to let more women into the field.
Speaker 2:Do you guys feel like and I know this doesn't get talked about a lot, and I know that Mattel, are they still making the Ouija board? Are they still even making that thing? Oh yeah, ouija boards are still out there. You can get a Barbie Ouija board.
Speaker 3:are they still even making that thing, is that? Oh yeah, ouija boards are still out there.
Speaker 2:You can get a Barbie Ouija board oh, barbie, ouija board, wow a Hello Kitty one too, hello Kitty Ouija board they they must be really slow in business if you're putting a Hello Kitty or, you know, barbie on the on the board to to get someone to buy it. But when we talk about the this, do I call it a portal, this board that, uh, that people use to to communicate, is that really? Is that a thing are we talking like?
Speaker 3:this is a portal to let these ghosts I really feel, you know, has sensationalized Ouija boards. A lot of people don't really know a lot of the truth behind Ouija boards. Ouija boards were actually created as a dating game. It was a simple tool that allowed into couples to be more intimate. Cause you have to understand, back in the day you weren't allowed to be kissing. You know, making out with your, your partner, hold hands and stuff like that. It was until you got married. You know there was this limitation especially for the woman, cause she didn't want to be considered a slut you know, so there was only you know.
Speaker 3:So there was only certain things for a proper lady to do when she's being escorted by her gentleman caller. So one of the things that the Ouija board allowed couples to do was they could sit across from each other, but their knees would be touching, and so your knees could touch. You would lay this board on top of your knees and then your hands could be touching while you use this planchette to move around, and then you could ask each other questions and, of course, you could make a game out of it, and you know spell it out, you know you could ask her oh, does she really like me? You know, and she might move the the planchette around, you know, will she give me a kiss? You know, or you know things like that. It was just a fun little couples game that they could play. What really took it over the edge and into the paranormal world was actually a famous medium, and I can't remember her name right now. I apologize, but I remember her.
Speaker 3:Her spirit, guys, was patience worth I don't know if june can remember that I can't remember the medium's name, but anyways they claim that this medium had no schooling. In fact they said, I believe she didn't make it past the 6th grade, which was common back in those days, you know. So it was more common for people to get through 6th grade and then you could go in and help your family and that's all the schooling you needed.
Speaker 4:And maybe it was even lower than that. I apologize, it's been a long time, pearl lenore yeah, pearl that's right, and so what?
Speaker 3:what made this story so credible, or so incredible, I should say, is this woman used a Ouija board to communicate to her spirit guide and she was writing these novels and plays and poems and all this stuff that they felt that a woman with her education would not be able to write. So that's where they felt there was some credibility behind this, this tool and communicating with spirits, because how could pearl have this knowledge to be able to write this stuff if she was dumb, as they were trying to put it, sure, you know? So that's what really made it a big thing. Now I find that ouija boards are not these portals to, or can open portals to, hell or anything like that. I think a lot of that is hollywood.
Speaker 3:You know, there's a lot of stories out there where I, you know, swear I talked to the devil on my ouija board, so I I burned it. Well, you know, show me that. You know that you burned it. Oh, and it kept coming back. Well, and then I throw it in the river. Oh, and it kept coming back. Then I throw it in the river. Oh, and it kept coming back. Well, where's this Ouija board now? I don't know. Well, obviously he didn't keep coming back.
Speaker 3:Sure, you know just odd stories like that, but I feel that there is some sort of connection. When you are using Ouija boards, pendulums, dowsing rods, I feel that what we're actually doing is we're opening our own psychic channel which could explain a lot of times where people use these devices and they are able to get answers to questions they wouldn't have known, because I think you know, if you're using a ouija board or any of these other tools the proper way, there is some sort of you know trance that you would go into, some, some focus that you have to, you know, be able to tune in to, and I think that's where you're unknowingly just opening your third eye and that's where you are getting that information. You're getting it psychically, not really through spirit, and that's just my personal belief.
Speaker 2:And when you talk about this, maybe June can attest or give some insight on this. And Ross, you were just saying us having the ability to use our psychic. When you talk about this, maybe June can attest or give some insight on this. And Ross, you were just saying us having the ability to use our psychic. People aren't exercising that ability, because I've heard that as a kid, your psychic ability is more open versus now, at an adult age. You're not using that muscle. How would someone June, how would they be able to start to exercise that part of their brain or to be able to use their psychic ability? How do they reactivate that?
Speaker 4:How do we if someone's Well, you know, I usually tell people I'm as psychic as a turnip, you know. But every once in a while I even have my moments and you know, it's just like wow, or I'll be thinking about somebody and all of a sudden they'll call me, or something like that. So I personally don't think I really have any psychic ability, but I do have moments of weirdness. I guess you'd say where something weird happens.
Speaker 2:Oh you definitely have your moments of weirdness too. I think we all do, though.
Speaker 4:Yes, we have to, but you know, I mean, I think that I don't know. You know that's a really hard question. You know, maybe, question, maybe having that meditation, moments of silence and being more mindful of things around you and everything. I think that life is so busy right now and the TV is always on, or you?
Speaker 3:have you know, we are totally distracted by technology nowadays, especially with cell phones now, but I do find that if you are trying to test that ability or even open that channel, journaling is one of the biggest things, because journaling is helping you to keep record of those feelings, writing it down, writing it down and then, when you do have that moment of like, oh my gosh, how did I know that you're able to fine-tune those abilities? Because sometimes it could just be your overactive imagination. Believe me, I've had many people claim that they're psychics and, just like june, they're as psychic as a turnip. Yeah, they will.
Speaker 3:Um, I do find that when you are able to at least write these things down especially as us working as a team that is part of our job when we investigate is, we have an investigator's journal. The whole team is keeping individual notes and times of what, what they're doing, almost within five minutes of each other, and so a lot of times when they walk into a room and they write down, oh, I had this aching feeling in my stomach. I tell people, write that down. I said it could be taco time that you just had or talk about, but you know, write it down no matter what, and then come to find out when everybody goes through their journal, their notes. You're not the only one that had that feeling. Other people had that exact same feeling when they walked into the room. So, right there, that helps build that credibility and also your own confidence in how and what feelings you can trust and how to document that information.
Speaker 2:Our guests this evening, Ross and June from aghostorg. You guys have done so much work. You've worked with communities. You travel a lot. I know, Ross, you're about to leave to do. Shake Some Hands.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're going to go shake some hands, kiss some babies ghost I would kiss a ghost you know, um, yeah when? When is your next local investigation in the pacific northwest? When it? Do you guys have any hotbeds of anything, any good leads or tips or anything that's going on right now? Or maybe you don't want to tell everybody because you don't want people to disrupt?
Speaker 3:that I always. You know, if people want to get involved in the paranormal field, I I do remind people that we have open membership. So if you are local, um and you, and even if you're not local, you, I'd be open to online membership because we do meet online, sure, um, so it's, it's a fun way to you know, come to our meetings and discuss things and um. So you know, that's always a big thing if you want to learn about what we're doing and learn about the paranormal um. I always have people follow me on facebook, or even June on Facebook, because we are notorious when we travel all over the world and we're investigating haunted castles. We will do live feeds. You can watch us do an investigation from some of these amazing places that we get to visit um you know amazing places yeah yeah, and if you want, you know to do ghost hunt on your own or join us.
Speaker 3:Uh, you could also check out. Uh, spooked in seattle, spooked in seattle. We offer public ghost hunts. We do public ghost hunts on the turner joy. We do public ghost hunts at university heights. Uh, we sometimes do ghost hunts at the you know, georgetown steam plant. So we are always looking to open up new locations that we can introduce the public to haunted places as well. But when it comes to myself, I'm always working on projects and looking at new places to film more experiments for my Parasense project. June is really good at setting up investigations for the ghost team, the Advanced Ghost Hunters of Seattle, tacoma. So she always is keeping us on our toes and getting us out there to investigate some amazing places.
Speaker 3:And also some fun drinks too, Even though a lot of times she gets calls for dealing with demons and wants us to get rid of demons.
Speaker 2:When I was trying to think of the georgetown uh steamery that's by the in the rainier, by the brewery, right is that? Is that right or am I off?
Speaker 3:it's actually in georgetown, okay, uh, it's right next to the boeing airfield. It's effectively, in fact, it's right on the property. Okay, when you're driving by the airfield, you can actually see the steam plant right there.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, I was like wondering about it. I was like, oh, I was trying to think of where that was. But now that you say that I have a better idea that area, just because of the history there, there's so much there. It's like you drive through that area A lot of great cool little new restaurants there. It's like you drive through that area a lot of great cool little new restaurants, but still when you like think about it.
Speaker 2:It's really kind of an old little neighborhood, very, very old. Um, the history is very rich there. If you haven't had a chance to to go through there, they got a record store and some really good eats there, oh it's great.
Speaker 3:There used to be a feud, especially during the um prohibition. Yeah, you could still get alcohol in Georgetown, but Seattle you couldn't. Seattle was dry, so there was lots of stories of people going over to Georgetown to drink.
Speaker 2:Now I don't want to burst a lot of people's bubbles, but everyone talks about the Georgetown morgue. It's not actually. It was never a mortuary, never a morgue. No, actually it was never a mortuary, never a morgue. No, no it's made up, ladies and gentlemen, and I know I hate to burst the bubble because I I know the guys that work there. It's a great story. It's a good story, but that's the purpose it's a haunted house it is a haunted house, haunted house, as I say, but it is not.
Speaker 3:It's not halloween themed haunted house.
Speaker 2:That is correct. It is not in the band, it's not.
Speaker 4:But but we do have to say one thing we did an investigation there during off season one time because a lot of the claims of some of the um, some of the, the objects that they had there they thought maybe could be haunted and we did have some really interesting things happen. But that was a long, long, long time ago and uh, yeah, so I think it's back.
Speaker 3:There might be attachments well, it's interesting.
Speaker 2:You say it's interesting. You say that because I know that. Um, there's a casket they have there. This casket was used one time for a viewing and then after that they they. You know what do you do with it, you know. So they gave it to the georgetown morgue oh, yeah, no I mean yeah, in fact, there's an embalming table there.
Speaker 3:That's a real embalming table. It was actually used. Oh my god, so there are some. Yeah, there's an embalming table there. That's a real embalming table. It was actually used.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, so there are some. Yeah, so there is some. There could be some things there that are from old school.
Speaker 3:My thing is, you know, just being skeptic and trying to be more scientific in my approach. Why would I haunt an embalming table that I was probably just on there laid out, you know, for maybe a few hours, or even a casket, sure. But I was just laid, you know, in for just the viewing of my. You know my funeral.
Speaker 4:Maybe it was the funeral director's favorite embalming table or casket.
Speaker 3:Okay, june Okay. It's interesting, but I always like to tell that story and now I'm not for those but I do want to point out I was going to say there there are other things that they have collected that did personally belong to somebody. And yes, an embalming table can belong to a doctor that was obsessed with embalming, sure?
Speaker 2:that could be a good horror movie right there the place is a great haunt if you're, if you're looking for like a great local, I'm by far none one of the best haunted houses around by far I want to go through it those guys do such a great job. It was a fun investigation I do have to say.
Speaker 3:You know, just going through the, just the atmosphere, you know being surrounded by these, you know fake, you know body, dead bodies and all this stuff and monsters and all that.
Speaker 2:It was a fun little thing to watch, that that place is great, great entertainment. But if you're looking for a real haunt and you want to see some vastly real history and we're not talking about like psychopath, killer type stuff that's a whole other radio show and a whole other department from I forget her name, the private eye investigator who I haven't had on for such a long time.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to chase her down too to talk about some of the crazy things, and it's so interesting when we go through all these different places and talking about the georgetown morgue and then that whole the, the, the, the true haunted areas of georgetown, and not the morgue itself, uh, or the, where the georgetown haunted house is, um, by far one of the best haunted houses I've been to, and I'm not saying that because I know the individuals, but I'm saying that if you're looking for a good haunt, that's definitely. They do a great job. They don't touch you, but they will scare the living piss out of you.
Speaker 2:They do such a great job, but not for me because they know me so well. They'll be like mario's coming through. Well, they'll be like mario's coming through, so they go extra. So my guests typically always get freaked out because they're coming after me and I, I don't move I just go through the house.
Speaker 3:Do they get a bonus if they can make you pee your pants?
Speaker 2:you know they might, but to this day that has not been the case, and I've been and I've gone through the house for over 20 something years. So I remember being at like this house center mall and then, you know, across the street over at the the family fund center and then moving from tacuila um back, you know, to now where the georgetown morgue is, um, what a great venue for them to be in a permanent location. And I remember one year they moved it all the way up to like snohomish, or they had a second haunted house back there, um, oh, wow, yeah, and so they do such a good job. But if you're looking for real haunted stuff, the pacific northwest is full of different adventures, this time being the, this being the season of fall going into october. Now that we are into october and into the colder months the dreary, damp nights in the pacific northwest being very long coming up you guys can definitely shake some boots, rattle some uh, some people and scare some people by.
Speaker 2:So the rich history that you guys have in regards to the different tours that you're able to give across, um you know from in the pacific northwest, and even when you're out on the road, uh, ross, if you guys do anything, please let me know. We'd love to have uh us come along, even if it's a quick little. You know TikTok or Facebook and if you guys want to take a tour or go check out and hang out with Ross or June, go to their website at aghostorg. If you have an encounter that you need to share with them, go to them.
Speaker 2:Please share your encounters, these are the professionals, these are the people that are're these. These guys are first class. I mean, I know that I worked with chad, the, while I always call him the, the mad scientist who's?
Speaker 2:vastly always busy and I know you had an opportunity to. You guys build some really great stuff. Um, I love the paracense stuff that you're doing. It gives a different perspective of what you guys do, but it gives the visual too, for for people who are skeptical, because you see me, touch me, feel me, you want, you need that, to see that, and I think that you guys do a really good job of definitely breaking it down to say, hey, look, look, look at this.
Speaker 2:Where this is coming in, you can see the temperature change. Oh, what was that? You know and how that plays out. If you haven't had you know. I'm sharing different information because not a lot of people don't know about this. But, ross, you've done a really good job with that and in your different shows that you've done and having that opportunity. If people want to watch any of your past stuff, where, where do you tell them to go?
Speaker 3:well, if they want to see parasense, uh, it's on amazon. Uh, prime, you can definitely check that out. Youtube tv, it's google, apple, you can find it out there. Okay, uh, just type in parasense, the naked experiments, um, so there's that. Um, like I said, my books are all on Amazon as well. You can check those out, um, and I and I always encourage people. Just, you know, is, with so much you know social media, I'm lucky enough that I can keep my Facebook posts up to date, so I pretty much just focus on Facebook right now. I apologize, I know there's not a lot of Facebook fans out there, but that's a great way to find me Sure.
Speaker 2:I know that Ross is going out on the streets and banging doors and colleges and doing the tours. What do you have coming up for the rest of the month? Anything exciting? Are you doing any investigations or right now Are you working on any tips or leads right now? Are you doing any investigations or right?
Speaker 4:now? Are you working on any tips or leads right now? Oh well, actually we're going to be helping with the Centralia Ghost Walk in Centralia, washington, on the 18th and 19th of October, and then after that I get to fly to Missouri and do a lecture myself at a college down there, so it's going to be really awesome. And then there's the Port Gamble Ghost Conference and so we'll be doing some you know fun investigations there and you know just all sorts of things, and hopefully I'll have some more things lined up for November and, you know, towards the end of the year or so, so it'll be fun.
Speaker 2:And I know that the other radio show that is out there that does a show like this, I know that they've been on, they have done a lot of. Whoever hosts that conference has been on the other radio show like this. We don't mention them, but yeah, but we know that they, they've done some stuff with them. It's interesting, cause I was talking with you know, someone asked why I don't do a lot of those types of events To me. I'm not an investigator. I like to ask questions, but I'm not. You know same thing why I don't do conferences, because that's not my thing. I'm I'm happy to host a conference, but I don't. That's not. You know what I mean. Like everyone else is doing that work, I'd love to attend these things or go to them or have people come on the show.
Speaker 2:I, I will be interested. I will have to come and check out to see what's going on in port gamble. Obviously I go there all the time, but it's always fun just to walk around and just give my own, just because no one knows who. You know who mario is, everyone knows the other show and and it gives me kind of that, that, that that piece of anonymity where I don't have to like nobody knows who I am. I get it just. I just get to ask normal questions and typically everyone gives a lot of information out there. So I hope that you guys have a successful conference. Out at port gamble um, I forget the place they had some little knickknack place where they were actually serving beer and cafe drinks over as you first come in. Cute little spot, but it's always fun to go there. Ross, we know that you're going to be traveling when you get back. When are you back to do, like some you know scary work around here?
Speaker 3:I'll be back early November and then I head back out um for the first weekend of december. So it's a little bit. I'll be back for a couple things, so yeah well, I appreciate your guys's time.
Speaker 2:Any last, uh anything as we wrap things up here from the pacific northwest for our average listener who's out here who may have a haunted story experience and I know that we talked about earlier about you know, the demon situation where people are like I think I got a demon and and we think that there's a trend right now still, come to you guys right, go to your website at aghostorg.
Speaker 4:We will definitely listen Right.
Speaker 2:And the people who are out hanging out or listening this evening, or listening to the podcast, or even watching.
Speaker 3:You know, I do want to point out I don't want people to be discouraged, thinking that because they believe they have a demon, not to reach out to us because we're anti-demon. It's not that at all. I feel that people are getting the wrong information.
Speaker 4:Exactly.
Speaker 3:Because a lot of people are getting information from the television shows and I just want to say there's nothing wrong, just like if you're diagnosed with an illness, there's nothing wrong with getting a second opinion. So the same thing applies in the paranormal world. We try to keep an open mind to see what's going on. We want to document and help to validate that you are experiencing something. What is it? We're not sure.
Speaker 4:Exactly.
Speaker 2:Oof, I think from the Pacific Northwest. I'd like to thank our guests Ross and June from aghostorg. If you have an experience that you may want to share with them, or if you're afraid to email them, go to their website. You can send us a text 775-990-5151. Again, it's always a pleasure. Ross and June, thanks for coming to hang out with us this evening.
Speaker 4:Thank you and hang out and just share your guys' stories.
Speaker 2:It's so fun to be able to hang out and just share, like, what's going on, but some of the rich history that's out there that I think a lot of people who may be from around here don't know, and people who are transplanted get to learn something new about the area and some of the haunted places. I mean we just touch a skosh of what's going on out there. And again I think of the hospital story. I mean it's endless, right?
Speaker 3:Everyone says there's endless haunted stories. I've written 12 books on the subject, so there's lots of stories and I could do a whole bunch more.
Speaker 2:Be sure to check out their website at aghostorg. All the links are listed down below in the podcast From the Pacific Northwest. I'd like to thank our guest, june Ann Ross, for hanging out with us this evening. Thank you so much. It's been a pleasure to hang out with you guys and to hear some fantastic history of different haunted places and maybe not so haunted, and hearing about the original Ouija board, I almost want to call it like Ouija Tinder.
Speaker 2:That's not really a thing, but maybe it was back then. From the Pacific Northwest, I'd like to thank our guests Ross and June. For my entire team, Mark Christopher, Jeff, Jens, Sophia Magana and myself, Mario Magana Be sure to look up at the sky, because you never know what you might see. Good night.
