Bigfoot Mysteries: Unraveling Wilderness Disappearances and Exploring Supernatural Phenomena

The tragic story of two missing hikers searching for Bigfoot not only captivates with its mysteries but also serves as a cautionary tale about wilderness safety. This episode discusses the recent events, highlighting essential tips for preparation and respect in nature, while also unpacking the cultural significance of the Sasquatch phenomena.

• Exploration of the circumstances surrounding the hikers' disappearance 
• Insights from expert Tobe Johnson on Bigfoot research 
• Importance of preparedness and safety in wilderness hiking 
• Discussion of emotional responses when lost in the woods 
• Cultural significance of Sasquatch in various communities 
• Emphasis on fostering a supportive outdoor community 
• Encouragement to respect the natural environment and its mysteries

Transcript

Exploring Mysterious Bigfoot Sightings

Speaker 1 0:01

Welcome to US Phenomenon , where possibilities are endless . Put down those same old headlines . It's time to expand your mind and question what if ? From paranormal activity to UFOs , bigfoot sightings and unsolved mysteries , this is US Phenomenon ?

Speaker 2 0:21

From the Pacific Northwest in the shadow of the 1962 World's Fair , the space you know . Good evening , good morning , good afternoon . Wherever you are on God's green earth , I'm your host , mario Magana . This is US Phenomenon , where we explore the extraordinary and the unexplained . We're discussing the shocking news about the two hikers that went missing in search of the elusive Bigfoot Sasquatch .

Speaker 2 0:45

Our guest , tove Johnson , is a well-known figure in the realm of Bigfoot research . With his deep passion for exploring the mysteries of the natural world , johnson has dedicated years to meticulously investigating and documenting the elusive creature known as Bigfoot . His journey began with a profound fascination for the unknown and a desire to uncover the truth behind these countless sightings reported globally . Johnson's approach combines scientific rigor with open-minded curiosity , allowing him to navigate the complexities of his field with skepticism and wonder . In addition to his field work , he's also an accomplished author , with a book called the al moon lab a paranormal experience receiving widespread acclaim . Through his research and writings , tobe johnson continues to inspire fellow researchers and enthusiasts , inviting us all to question the unknown and embrace the wonder of the natural world . It is my pleasure to welcome back to us phenomenon tobe johnson .

Speaker 3 1:55

Welcome back to the show man that bio dude is straight out of ai . There ain't no way I'm that cool , no , yeah .

Speaker 2 2:05

Hey man , you know when you when you , when you do , when you produce the show and have to do produce , host and everything else . It's kind of nice to have a help out once in a while .

Speaker 3 2:16

I like it OK , great , so I'm glad to be here . Thanks for having me on .

Speaker 2 2:21

You know it's interesting to me about these two hikers that have gone missing . I know there's tons to me about these two hikers that have gone missing . I know there's tons of reports out there , uh , what we do know is that two that these two hikers were um out looking for bigfoot um , so both of these men tragically passed away in the gifford uh pincho national forest . Now there are there are so many different records or reports out here . One guy was 37 . The other guy was 59 . What do you know so far in regards to what information we have up to this point ?

Speaker 3 3:00

I really don't know anything . That's going to be news to the listening audience ? I don't think . But the unfortunate part for me let's just start with a little bit of griping , then we'll get into what's going on . The unfortunate part to me is this story broke nationally all over right , like Reuters got it , everyone got it because it had the word Bigfoot attached to the unfortunate death of two individuals that you know had an untimely event happen to them out in a very interesting squatchy area , skamania County Also , where Ted , I almost said tax and gouge me , but Ted Kulangoski , the old governor , put down an order . Basically , you can't kill a Bigfoot , kind of as a lark , I think , for a family member , maybe his daughter , if I remember correctly .

Speaker 3 3:58

And so , but it is an actual order in Skamania County that you cannot kill a Bigfoot or harass a Bigfoot . Or harass a bigfoot , I think , um , and I don't know if that is necessarily the case anywhere else in the united states . So here , these guys are fresh out of portland , from what I read , and they were going in there , I believe , on christmas eve or around that time , I think , maybe just a day trip and they're supposed to be back . They didn't come back and then search and rescue got involved , and the interesting or perplexing part for me is the fact A that the names have not been released . We were talking a little bit about that , mario .

Speaker 2 4:40

Right .

Speaker 3 4:40

That does strike me as something that's ordinary . That does strike me as something that's ordinary . I was talking to a deputy ex-deputy sheriff , rich Germeau , who's also a witness out here in the Olympic Peninsula , used to work the beat in La Push , washington . He was saying when they don't release the names like that , that there's something more going on to the story .

Speaker 2 5:04

So for those who are listening or maybe watching , we're going to pull up a really nice map here in just a few seconds . But to kind of paint the picture and kind of for those that may be driving or listening to the podcast , the Gifford Pinchot National Forest is located in southern Washington , which covers 1.3 million acres . That's a lot of forest . Now this is tucked in from the columbia river up through mount adams and mount rainier national volcano monument . Now what's interesting to me about that whole city ? That's dense forest man , huge dense forest . Right , I mean , you're talking . Let me pull this map up for us here . We're talking about a map and as we look at this , it is profoundly so dense in this area . Now , according to the reports , they were down here in Willard Washington . Now they were on the Oklahoma Road . I believe this is the road out here .

Speaker 3 6:04

Yes , right , yes Right .

Speaker 2 6:06

Yes , yeah . But what's interesting to me , that this doesn't even seem like the information that was given to everyone seems too vague to me , as you're , as I'm starting to do the research myself to look at this map which has Bigfoot sightings . I'm like this to me , tob doesn't look like there's . You know , we're just talking about a road that hits up . But if I mean how many miles , I mean this is you know , maybe you know five , ten miles up the road . I mean you got to get in here , did like do some serious hiking .

Speaker 2 6:40

Now if I pull up the map , if I pull out from the map here , we can start to see some of these Bigfoot sightings here on the map . But what's interesting to me is that this area , the topography is wild . I mean we got dense forest , you have elevation , drastic elevation changing . But as we continue to pull the map completely out , you start to see the hot spots here of all the different sightings of Bigfoot , even including up through the Rainier . I mean this is hot stuff , man . It's pretty interesting to me when you start to pull all the way out , when you start to see the hotbeds and where these guys are hanging out at .

Speaker 3 7:25

Mario , can you go back to Oklahoma Road again ? I'm just seeing something there that's kind of interesting . Nothing per se to do , what would happen there , but an anomaly of sorts If you can go north even more to where you were . Keep going , keep going . Higher , higher , higher Oklahoma there . See those go up a little farther to see the dice that rolled there in the forest off to the left . Yeah , up here . No , over here , look to the left . There's no keep going left , more , more left in the forest .

Speaker 2 8:00

Oh yeah , see those guys .

Speaker 3 8:01

Yeah yeah , oh yeah . See those dice . Yeah yeah , that's . That's interesting to me . I don't know what that means If loggers just do that . That you know .

Speaker 3 8:22

Here's the deal is that we could get really conspiratorial about what the Forest kind of things that I look for when I'm looking for hot spots . Not only you know is this a great resource ? This may be . What brought them to this area was a recent report on a map like this . It could have very well been something you know that they heard about . Maybe a family member had an experience . The thing is that we should know and not just in a nosy way . The police should end any kind of speculation or conspiratorial stuff by releasing the names and say you know , unfortunately these guys got wet and cold , they had hypothermia . Don't do the same .

Speaker 3 9:03

This area is very dangerous . There's obviously some creeks that we had to cross to get there right . Um , and I find that odd too that they crossed a creek , at least one . Um , the search and rescue did . At least they had a ladder out . They crossed a creek .

Speaker 3 9:20

Um , and what were these guys doing in a snow drift area for a day ? Hike , crossing creeks , looking for Bigfoot ? That's a little bit . That's strange to me . I wouldn't do it unless I knew that there was something on the other side of that creek that I had to get to it's . It's just too hard to cross creeks in the wet and cold like that unless you're wearing like really big muck boots that are neoprene . So that's a little bit odd .

Speaker 3 9:48

But people do stuff in the woods that they shouldn't do and they think they can get away with it . I've been lost in the woods . It's a horrible feeling . The first thing that happens to you is you panic and you have to talk yourself out of not panicking . And if you're with another person and they're trusting on you as being the guy that gets them in and out , it becomes really embarrassing . So now you have the panic and the shame . So this like strikes home to me .

Speaker 3 10:20

The few times I've been lost , both of those emotions came over me . And the shame right like the movie with Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin called the Edge . There's this scene in there where they get lost in the Alaska wilderness and they have this bear chasing them . And you know , anthony Hopkins turns to the Baldwin character and says you know , it's not the elements that will kill you , it's the shame that you've been outsmarted by the wilderness , and that's absolutely true . And if you don't have your wits about you , you can get turned around really quick in the dense brush and we can talk about ways that I've overcome those hurdles , so I don't ever get lost again , if you want to yes , definitely for sure .

Speaker 2 11:07

Yeah , what's interesting to me about this whole situation ? A1 , just like you were saying , uh , just a few minutes ago about why they didn't haven't released the names of these two individuals , um , what's is this does ? Is this more of a crime scene that we're looking at now ? Was there ? Why didn't they just say this is where they were at ? It's the same thing as the gentleman that went missing in 2020 , sam DeBolle , who was an avid hiker , who went missing in the Mowich Lake , mother Mountain , over by Mount Rainier . He was over in this area , in a very dense , uh , very dense area on the mother mountain trail and , uh , this was during october and he , uh the . The last thing they saw of him was his water bottle and nothing else was found of the gentleman . So he's been , he's been , not , he has not been found . So if he's fallen into a crevasse , um , what's interesting ? There's nothing to be found . But they definitely released his name . But in this case , it does strike me that the information on these two gentlemen has not been released .

Preparation and Safety in Wilderness

Speaker 3 12:18

And I don't know if families have wishes to not release the name . Does that bypass what the state and the sheriff's office do with the names ? I don't know how any of that works . Legality , yeah , um , I didn't , I didn't check into it , but generally the names , eventually um , are released right , like if you follow Politi's work on 411 , missing 411 , there's usually names attached . Right when he gets on youtube he brings up very specific information . Um , but , yeah , I mean anybody listening to this right now . I mean you can get in touch with mario or myself . Um , I'd like to hear more . You can reach out to me on on facebook under the same name , tobe johnson , or reach out to me over at olympicstrangedays at gmailcom . I'd like to know more about what the protocol is for state and local law enforcement regarding releasing the names of people that are missing or presumed dead .

Speaker 2 13:21

So , tobe , you were talking a few minutes ago about getting lost in the woods , but when you go out to do your research , in , in , in the winter time , I'm assuming you do this all year round . I'm assuming that maybe maybe .

Speaker 3 13:34

Yeah , I've been on the phone all day planning a trip for tomorrow .

Speaker 2 13:38

Yeah , um , yeah , in regards to this , I mean , obviously , inclement weather . This is definitely . I mean , anywhere you go this time of season , the weather can switch on a dime on you . What do you tell most of these ? I don't want enthusiasts , amateur Bigfoot researchers , someone out there looking for the elusive creature . I want them to be prepared . I know that this is not something that typically happens a lot , but it seems that people are still going hiking this ain't 2020 , and everyone's like okay , I'm going to get a backpack on and I'm going out in the woods , but there are a lot more avid hikers in here in the Pacific Northwest . What are we telling individuals to do and what are you preparing yourself to do when you go out into those and into these areas ?

Speaker 3 14:33

well , um , the first thing I would suggest people doing is research where you're going and what the weather is going to be this time of year , because things change so drastically and there's washouts all over out here in the Olympic Peninsula so you may not get to where you're going , but what ? What happens if you get to the area and there's a washout or a down tree and you can't get yourself out and you're 30 miles in the backcountry without a cell phone signal . So these are all the things that I think of , because these have either happened or I've heard of them happening . And so this time of year you need some things with you that you don't necessarily need in the summer as a rule , but the big one is presume you're going to get wet and cold and always have a change of gear with you and a tote , and that tote is going to be like a Costco size tote for $6.99 and you're going to stick it in your trunk and you're going to make it your priority tote that has all your gear in it , a change of clothes , you know , any kind of survival gear that you need , as far as like a little Coleman stove , a couple little snacks in there may not be enough , so I would just go ahead and get the freeze dried one for $8.99 . All this stuff can be bought on Amazon , by the way .

Speaker 3 15:51

And then the big one is a chainsaw . You can get a little tiny battery operated chainsaw to keep in your truck . That chainsaw is not only going to help you , maybe , get out of an area , but it can also help you create a fire really quickly if you need to , if you are stuck on the side of the road and there's a you know that's such a . We were talking earlier about the shame element . I want to drive this point home again because it's so important . If you feel like you're winning the battle against the cold with a fire , that's a huge ego boost for you for the night and chances are you're not going to be out there more than a night .

Speaker 3 16:28

Now , if you're away from your car and your tote's back in your vehicle , then you need to have some of this stuff in your pack , a way to keep yourself warm and alert and dry . So you need a day pack to bring with you out on these , even a day hike . You also need protection of some kind . I would prefer something small that you can keep in your pocket and keep things at a distance from you , right ? Those are the kind of things that I have in my pocket , as well as bear spray and other things like that . I've I've had to use these items to keep people at bay and animals at bay , and you , you know it's something that you don've had to use these items to keep people at bay and animals at bay , and you know it's something that you don't necessarily ever want to have to use .

Speaker 2 17:13

But Lord fear if you need it and you don't have it , but the big one , go ahead , go ahead . I was going to say you said you had to use it on animals and people , so you're saying you're running into other individuals that may be . Are we talking these like what ? Are these the feral people out there in the woods ?

Speaker 3 17:31

No .

Speaker 3 17:31

So I do a lot of solo , remote camping on abandoned roads that lead into the high country of the Olympic Peninsula , right . So in this incident , around 2.30 in the morning , I had some individuals show up and throw their high beams on at me about you know , 20 to 30 yards away , and they just sat there in their truck . And so if you present the fact that you're not just , you know going to be a bystander waiting to get abused , then people tend to back up . And so who knows what that would have turned into had I , you know not had a second amendment approach to the whole thing . It may have been me as a victim that died of uh or disappeared , who knows . Or just you know what I mean . Like I don't want those kind of conditions when I'm out to explore the beauty . I don't want to deal with that , but there are feral people out in the woods .

Speaker 3 18:33

I just took a report up here on the Elwha River of a guy that ran into three feral individuals in the high , remote country that were coming down as though they had lived in the winter up in this area where it snows , and I said , well , what did they look like ?

Speaker 3 18:44

And he's just like well , it was kind of like the hills have eyes and they look like they had resources . And I said , well , what do you mean by resources ? Just like they had gear . But you could tell that they'd been out there for months and we didn't exchange words . So I'm going to go meet with this guy next week and get his story , because it is interesting to me , not only because of the Bigfoot thing , but the very fact that we do have individuals that aren't necessarily homeless or in crisis . They've chosen a different path , kind of like the Alaskan bush people perhaps , and they live out in the woods and they probably are a-okay in some degrees , but you never know it's kind of interesting when you talk about that , because there's a lot of stuff that doesn't get talked about .

Unsolved Wilderness Disappearances

Speaker 2 19:34

Doing my research , continuing to do my investigation work , still looking through the information freedom act in regards to the people that have gone missing in the national parks and I know that there's already someone out there who does a fantastic job but really just to try to find more information about certain individuals that have gone missing locally here in town . Uh , like the assistant professor , every , I mean , I've done a show about this guy for like the last couple years . Every october we talk about this guy that has gone missing , but there's nothing to be found of him except for his water bottle . I'm like , where did his tent go ? Where did his clothes go ? Where did he go ? Did he ? You know , these are things that I think about . Uh , not to get off on a tangent , but like you know how many feral people are living in the national park , you know what I mean . It's it's not talked about , it's not really talked about and as , as you know , as people talk , as you you know , are sharing your experiences out about these different individuals , people coming to mess with you , or , you know , you being able to protect yourself in in in your , while you're doing your research . It's almost a hazard for you . Not only is the inclement weather a hazard , but it's also individuals that could be hazardous to you as well . In this case , with these two hikers that were pronounced missing and then eventually pronounced dead . I mean , we're talking , you know some resources that were put in 60 people in search for these two individuals . You know them crossing a creek with a ladder . It seemed like they were definitely deep in the woods .

Speaker 2 21:11

But , man , I can't imagine if I was out there doing research looking for Bigfoot , and everybody knows well . I make it known that I'm like you're not going to see me out there researching it . There are plenty of other people to do it and I'm not that great of an avid hiker . I've already been spooked . I don't . I don't carry a second amendment . I probably should . Um , I believe in it .

Speaker 2 21:33

But what's interesting to me is , like the times that I've gone up , you know , you know back , you know going off-roading and things of that nature in the summer , looking for a sunset over mount by mount , rainier , the things that I've seen were plenty enough to make me to get the hell out . Now , was it Bigfoot , was it ? You know feral people , I don't know . But to see rocks stacked in a certain way , sticks put on the national , whatever the Forest Service Road , you know where you're going , through the gates and whatnot , but I'm like why am I finding more ? Whatever the forest service road , you know where you're going through , the gates and whatnot , but I'm like why am I ? Why am I finding more ? Why am I finding wood sticks bunched up together ? I'm like clearly somebody does not want us continuing up the road . Um , have you ever encountered anything like that ?

Speaker 3 22:20

yeah , there's a really strange case . I'll'll tell you real quick . It'll take me a few minutes here . But in an area called the French Pete Wilderness in Oregon I used to live in a little town of Springfield , oregon , and outside of Spring . First it was a physics professor from the University of Oregon . His name was Professor Xing Zhu . All they found of his in the French Pete wilderness was , I believe , his leather backpack .

Speaker 3 22:55

About three to four years later a guy by the name of Jake Dutton , retired Coast Guard , went missing in the exact same area . Lower part of the trail had french peat wilderness . Nonetheless , jake dutton had a background , um , I believe he was a coast guard reservist , so he definitely had cold weather background . Young guy I think he lived in eugene . Um , he was planning on just doing maybe an overnight or two and was going into the back country . Never found um went missing for maybe two to three years .

Speaker 3 23:28

The mother drove all the way down from portland oregon , put a sign that she made herself on the trailhead sign and said my son , um , was killed under mysterious circumstances , I think . Uh , and you know , there's no body that was ever found . And here the mother came down and wrote that . So we went up there to look for Jake and didn't find him . But we found out that a friend of ours actually found his skull on top of a fern . Now , jake's body was so far back at a hidden area that three to three years had passed , I believe , since he went missing . So you have all that snow , you have all that weather , a lot of heavy snow , a lot of heavy current coming down the creek , turning it into a river . Now his skull was placed on top of a fern by the creek . His shoes were tied and placed by his backpack . They were unopened and there was no weathering . That was really noted .

Speaker 3 24:34

Uh , from the report from my buddy that had found this , not not so much body , but had found jake's skull , of course he was interviewed as a possible suspect . He wasn't , uh and um . So my point about this is is that they ruled jake stutton died of exposure and there's no way to know what happened to jake , because there was nothing left except the top of his skull cap and his skull to me seems as though it was placed there for someone to find it , because you don't have three winters rolling by and have a bleached white skull cap set on top of a fern Sure , um , and the shoes were sitting next to one another and tied and there was no , there was no attempt of rescue on Jake's part to get in his backpack , um , so that those are the kinds of weird things I've been a part of . Uh , those are , you know , stories near my bigfoot areas where I've had really strange stuff happen , and so when people start putting in , I mean I know like polities doesn't like to put the the category of s Sasquatch involved with these things here , but I'll just say that these are individuals , these are not fake , they're not phony , these are very real phenomena . I've seen one and they come as individuals do , and I think that they're capable of great individual personalities , and so I don't bet totally back away from the fact that if someone goes missing and has ruled out , you know , a death from exposure , that they actually died of exposure .

Speaker 3 26:22

I don't know what happened to Jake Duttons . Maybe a serial killer got him , maybe some crazed , lunatic , feral person got him . But that's kind of what bigfoot is to me . I've never had a run in them , run in with them , where I was scared for my life . It's always been very inquisitive . Uh , it's almost like teenage pranksters , like frat boy personality stuff , sure , um , and there seems to be a real genuine type of like , humanity and kindness to them and so . But there is these other qualities . I don't know what's all out in the woods it could .

Speaker 2 26:55

It's a very strange world and when you talk about his shoes being there , if he was still in his shoes wouldn't , wouldn't his feet still be ?

Speaker 3 27:08

the remains of his feet still be in the shoe , you know predation and weather , uh , are big factors , mario , and that predation coyotes , sure , rats , beavers , birds , they'll all get in there and nothing really lasts that long in the woods . Now you can watch time lapse videos of predation happen to like a roadkill or something like that , right , but then you know you don't see what the weather is doing and it's not in the dense , mossy forest of the pacific northwest . So you have that amplitude of things that are starving around you on top of the weather and like mega fauna . You know , depleting those things . So things do go very quickly but you still find bones , like I found , yeah , very old bones out in the woods and they're intact yeah , that was my thing .

Speaker 2 28:01

I was like , well , I wonder if there were still bones , uh , other than the skull cap , that what you know was found . It just it's , it's , just it's . And I think the one thing that I really wanted to bring to the attention of our listeners who are out here I don't know so much . I know that there are avid hunters out here , there are people that do enjoy hiking Just a quick reminder that hey , if you're going to be out here in the element , make sure you are protected , wearing your protective gear . We'll have links if you need stuff , but clearly you're not . You're not getting your expertise from me but , um , because , lord knows , you know I don't do a lot of . You know I'm my urban , my urban hiking is out , you know , trying to .

Speaker 2 28:43

You know , fend someone off third avenue over there , off of third and pike oh yeah , wild yeah um , but so you know tobe , when we talk about these , these situations , these two individuals , let's , let's go down the let's go down the rabbit hole , uh , if we can . In regards to what do you think if you were to put yourselves in their shoes , what in the hell were you thinking about doing near christmas time ? What you know it would like it ? No one says they were they . You know family members . I mean , it is so vague in regards to what , actually , what their knowledge was to you know who ? Were they related to each other ? Were they just two guys out here trying to do a documentary and try to submit it to you or somebody else ?

Speaker 2 29:30

I know that you're not a part of this , but there's so many people trying to make a quick dollar . Were these guys trying to do a book ? Bigfoot Only Fans I have you know . Was it Bigfoot Fetish ? I have no idea in regards to why , so close to the holidays , would you think someone would be out here doing this type of research ?

Speaker 3 29:51

Well , on Christmas Eve there were five friends of mine and they all went out bigfooting . They left their families , it was raining , they all went up into the woods overnight and the reason that they went is because the night before they captured language and , um , that's very difficult to do . That's kind of the holy grail is like you know , you get bigfoot tracks , you have a good sighting , maybe you get on film , but if you can record an unknown language from these things , then it gets into a different category of what we're talking about , because a sidebar , if they have language , they have culture and if they have culture it's a game changer . We're not talking about primates in the typical sense , like a relic hominid or anything like that . So maybe these guys got a hit like on the map there . These are all cluster areas that we're looking at , um , so if you go down there , you can see Bigfoot tracks were found . So there's a Bigfoot print , there's different color-coded types of encounters Yellow , red , bright red , orange and then there's auditory things too there as well . So they were in a hot zone . But Scamania , the whole thing , is a hot zone and that's all you have to do is go to Skamania County and you walk the streets and you're going to see Bigfoot stuff all over downtown . You know just by over . I don't know if you've ever been to Skamania area , but if you go on the Columbia River Gorge , like you're heading towards Benjen Washington or Beacon Rock , you'll run into Skamania County and it's known as a Bigfoot hotspot . So it could very well be .

Speaker 3 31:41

These guys hopped in there just to do a day trip and on a lark they went uplahoma road and they got into some trouble . I don't know why they got into some trouble . Now here's one thing I would like to ask the audience is that I heard that the search and rescue team had their gear stolen and that they're actually now having to crowdfund to replace the gear . Now , was that gear stolen on the site ? Because if they were in the backcountry and that gear was stolen , that's a very interesting move by somebody . It wasn't , in my opinion , unless they had Snickers or something in there , it probably wasn't a bear . They would see sign that it was a bear . But if their gear was taken right , maybe it was taken back at like the search and rescue shack in portland or the dallas or wherever they came in from , and that's maybe they just had a break-in , but I I haven't been able to loop that together , so I'd like to know where that gear was taken .

Speaker 2 32:47

That's interesting . I did not get that report but , as I take a few seconds here to put my thoughts together , if they were out looking and the gear was stolen during the search and rescue , that would lead me to believe that there was something else out there Feral people , maybe a group of individuals who have gone off the grid ? Obviously the same thing , Maybe not as feral as , maybe , people living off the grid . Maybe it's a cluster of Sasquatch that may be more advanced in modern dayday times and maybe they're like Harry and the Henderson , and maybe these Bigfoot were like hey , I need a ladder and we need some tools .

Speaker 3 33:40

Let me finish the rest of this story about Jake Dutton After that event , after his body was found . A friend of mine by the name of Todd Bailey and Dave S we'll call him Dave S used to work for the local McKinsey Fire Department , and Todd Bailey is a big old redneck and he's never been outdone by the woods ever . And so they went out to see what happened to Jake Dutton , to find out if it was something nefarious , and they stayed in the area by themselves . That night Todd fell asleep underneath a cedar tree . Dave hung up his hammock , like he usually does , and that's kind of protocol when we all would go camping that next day . That next morning Todd found himself face down , 30 yards away from where he'd fallen asleep and his face pushed down into a fern . And he woke up to find that his body had been drenched .

Speaker 3 34:44

He was wearing one piece Carhartt uniform , like you see on the construction crew , sure , and his entire carhartt was soaked in urine and something had peed all over him not himself so as he , as he got up to figure out what had happened , he found that his only backpack had been moved and unzipped and something had peed a gallon of pee inside his backpack and then zipped it kindly back up . So now his change of clothes have also been peed on .

Navigating Strange Wilderness Phenomena

Speaker 3 35:19

This happened exactly where Jake Dutton , within proximity to where Jake Dutton's body , was found and recovered , and so people can believe that story or not . They can say that Todd had an accident and then did that . But this is the kind of high strangeness that makes you say things like we're not going to report this . It's not associated with what happened out here to Jake . It's a very tall tale , sounding kind of crazy story . But when we get into like gear being stolen if it was stolen out in the woods that becomes way more interesting to me . If it was stolen out of the camp shack back in the Dalles or Trout , wherever it was kept , tr ? Um troutdale then it was probably a break-in . But why not just release the names , uh , of these people and ? Um the circumstances , so other people don't find themselves in that trouble ?

Speaker 3 36:22

And I don't know . You know here this is a close-knit , close-knit community . In portland there's a lot of Bigfooters in Portland . The NABC Cliff Berkman's Museum is in Boring , oregon , right across the Columbia River from Skamania County . I would imagine that these guys are interested in what happened to these guys . It's a very Bigfoot-rich area . So is it related ? No , but the news kind of made it related because they push the story . It's like sasquatch hikers go missing and die of exposure . It's kind of a it's obviously a horrible thing to do because it desensitizes you from the tragedy of possibly daughters and sons and wives and brothers and sisters you know that had a a horrible Christmas and a horrible life , maybe . So what I am here to say is that there are strange things that happen in Bigfoot areas and they can be very creepy being prepared , um , like you said , having your whereabouts about where you're at .

Speaker 2 37:35

Um , all right , do you carry , like a gps unit , what is uh , what is uh , um , politely say to carry ? You know , he was just said this on the axe . He said he was reminding everyone , hey , if you're going to be out here in the woods , make sure you have , you know , one of those recovery you know beacons yeah , so that if you know , you can put a .

Speaker 3 37:55

You can put a geo tracker on you so people can watch from afar where you are . Most phones already have that built into them . I mean , people can find out where you are even if you don't have a signal . They can ping and and triangulate . You know , I dropped an air tag in the middle of the Umpqua National Forest and I was able to track it and that wasn't around anything . You know what I mean . So that's like a $29 little thing that you can put in your pocket . That's the first thing I would do is go buy an air tag immediately put it in your backpack and forget about it and give your girlfriend or your wife or your kids you know a way to track you right so you can see where you're going . The other thing I would do is carry um a cell phone with a subscription to onyx , o-n-xx .

Speaker 3 38:48

Onyx , you can download digital maps . As long as you have a signal where Onyx is on your smartphone or your AirPad or whatever , you can get yourself out of the woods . It'll tell you exactly where you left and how to get back out of there what kind of terrain . I purposely got myself lost in the woods in the last two months since I bought it to see if it will work and it hasn't failed me yet tells you where the side roads are , how to get to the old logging road , how to get back to your truck . That's what you want to do , is you got to get back to your vehicle and you got to get to a main road , and that that's a way .

Speaker 3 39:27

And the other last thing I would say is carry flagging tape . It's like 299 at home depot . It's the stuff you see hanging in trees when loggers go there . It comes in a roll . You stick that next to onyx . You're never going to get lost . You just hang that with an eyesight as you're walking into a trail and you can't miss it . You can see it at night . You can also get little reflectors that look like thumbtacks . You can make them at home . You can buy reflector tape , put them on a thumbtack , spend an hour doing it , or go on Amazon and just look up reflective thumbtacks and you stick those on a tree and so as you're walking in , they're always on the same side of the tree or the branch and as you come out it looks like a street . You know heading down through the forest with your headlamp , and the other thing , too , is a headlamp . Headlamp and extra batteries . That'll save the day if you can have a bright flashlight or headlamp Preferably a headlamp , so you can use your hands .

Speaker 2 40:25

When you go out to do research , you have a favorite hot spot , do you like ? Is there a place that you enjoy going the most during the winter time , the summertime ? What's your all-time favorite location to go ? Looking for the illusion ?

Speaker 3 40:40

I know I want to go looking for the mini hoonie in hawaii . That's the ultimate goal the little people , the little people in Hawaii in board shorts . But if I can't make that happen , my PayPal account is no . If I can't make that happen , my favorite place to go as far as like the productivity of the action right the big phenomena is what's featured in our documentary A Flash of Beauty is this place called the Al Moon Lab , which was this enigmatic spot outside of Cottage Grove , oregon , where , after about 17 years of full-time research , I ended up seeing a Sasquatch for the first time . For the first time and having my mind blown in multiple ways , not only through the world of Bigfoot but the cross-pollination of the phenomena , which is largely paranormal-based , including poltergeist activity , ufo activity and everything under the sun attached to this one little unassuming house near Cottage Grove Lake .

Speaker 2 41:48

Under the sun , attached to this one little unassuming house , um near cottage grove lake for those who may think of the elusive bigfoot to be , not to know of it , to be paranormal , but to think of it as an indigenous to the planet it would . Would we say that it is indigenous to the planet , or do we say that it's , uh , not indigenous to the planet ? Okay , or do ? We are there , yeah I would say so .

Speaker 3 42:18

It's a lot like this ufo issue . Is that it ? Um the ? You know the soft disclosure with the ufo stuff ? Mario is , mario is the Bigfoot disclosure ?

Speaker 3 42:28

People don't know it yet , but no one's really saying that these are from outer space anymore . In fact , lou Elizondo , who's broken a lot of this stuff through ATIP , wrote the book Eminent about disclosure coming , basically says that these are coming through other realms , that they are coming through the pages in between . So they're not from inner space , outer space , they're from the pages in between , to quote him specifically . And so I think this is what the Native Americans have been telling us here . They straight up told me in 2004 , these things come from between two worlds and we need to show that phenomena great respect . In fact , in our documentary we have a Native American .

Speaker 3 43:17

Tj Ravenwolf opens up a Flash of Beauty Paranormal Bigfoot with a ceremony and he looks into the fire and says forgive us for speaking so plainly about you . And this is the kind of reverence that still gives me goosebumps , because what we're talking about is real and not everybody who listens to this knows that yet . But when the ET stuff hits the fan and there's going to be like a major sighting that happens over downtown seattle , you know , maybe during a seahawks game ? Um , right , right .

Speaker 2 43:52

I think that's going to open people's mind up in a way to where they look at this bigfoot phenomena and don't see it as a bumper sticker anymore it was funny when , when , when you say that you talked about you know the uh a sighting , when we were kind of skimming through the uh the map there , the uh the Bigfoot map , uh , through the you know the website of the uh Bigfoot project here , uh , I mean , there was sightings in downtown Tacoma , washington , over in the tide flats , which was kind of quite funny to me . I was like , oh , look at that , there's a . I was like there's someone must , if I can get over there quickly . It just kind of made me laugh for a second . I was like , oh , wow , people are , they're looking for , they're looking , they're seeing Bigfoot in these other , you know , populated areas .

Speaker 3 44:40

Yeah Well , we would get sightings quite often right outside of Tacoma , in Kitsap County , in the little town of Alala , which is really , I think , only about a 15 minute , 20 minute drive to like , uh , you know , the close to the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in the I-5 corridor . Yes , but there's very . Look at how dense all that brush is like . If we're going solely with the physical aspect of Sasquatch using brush as camouflage , then bingo , how much of that is green . You know what I mean . So it gets pretty dark out here at 4 o'clock in the winter . You walk through that green , through a suburb at 5 or 10 o'clock or 2 in the morning .

Speaker 2 45:24

And that area is still very dense , olala , that Sedgwick Highway heading to 16 , that area is very dense still Still , really , as you said , full of water . I mean , look at that , there's one right there .

Speaker 3 45:41

I didn't , even I didn't know that . Yeah Well , that's what . That was , my old backyard . And yeah , there'd be reports from not only our address of strange things being left in front of , uh the kitchen window , including handprints , um bricks that were stuck in people's um barbed wire fences , as though something went up and grabbed like a garden brick . We would have things disappear from the front of yard for months at a time and then return in the back of the yard , broken in half .

Speaker 3 46:14

We lived on private property on five acres , so I don't think it was the UPS guy . So you know , it gets really interesting really quick , like if these things are coming around and they're interested in property or they're interested in family groups and messing with uh stuff around your yard . Um , that doesn't really . I mean that points to a type of curiosity , but also points to a type of possible uh gaming . You know , like it seems like a trick , or . But this is what the native americans said about them is that they're tricksters , right , they're in the vein of the coyote , that they're , they're real . They're in the base of the totem pole , which is where you put the most powerful thing on the totem pole in the pacific northwest , from my understanding , and that sasquatch goes along with the other natural things that exist the bear , the salmon , the orca , the Bigfoot .

Speaker 2 47:13

So many people who and I think I saw this recently as you were doing some research you were showing some of these magnificent artwork of these totem poles at a casino . Was it Seven Cedars ? Is that where you were at ?

Speaker 3 47:32

Yeah , down the street .

Speaker 2 47:33

Yeah , great casino to stop in at . I'm not plugging them . They don't pay any of the bills here , but the artwork was so impressive . Pay any of the bills here , but , um , the artwork was so impressive . And for you to like show the artwork , uh , take a look at tobe's uh facebook page if you have a chance to take a look at that .

Speaker 2 47:54

It's interesting because I think a lot of us who look at totem poles we're like , oh yeah , it's great , and we , we move on with our day . We don't take the time to really go over with complexity and use our imaginations and to look at it and examine it and say what is that ? Why is it that way ? You know , what is the message here ? I think a lot of it is the allure of you know , we're going to the casino , we're going to . You know , spend money , we're going to hit the buffet . We're going to the casino , we're going to . You know , spend money , we're going to hit the buffet . But what was so great on that ? Uh , that piece that you showed . You took the time to show that and I was like damn , how many times have I gone to the casino and not looked at the artwork and not paid attention to what is actually being scribed or been ? What story is being told on the totem pole ?

Speaker 3 48:42

yeah , their story pulls . I mean , I don't know the story of what I was really showing you , but that was the supernatural world totem pole . They all had little placards on the bottom of it and it appeared to be a primate because it had the giant ears on the side of the head , like you would see with a chimp , and it had the purse lips , which is the tonic while the whistling , sasquatch , the whooping sound or the whistle , and then it had what appeared to be kind of like a humanoid and it's below it .

Insights From First Nations on Bigfoot

Speaker 3 49:12

So you know , this is we need to listen to these stories more from the First Nations people , because they do keep a lot to themselves , but there's a certain amount of them that are open books and if you can talk to a first nations person and they can tell you their story with great zest and zeal , take the opportunity to listen . Um , they , they .

Speaker 2 49:37

I think they're more right than they are wrong about bigfoot and when you , when you shared that piece about um , what was the word that you used or that was scribed on the on the totem pole that it was ?

Speaker 2 49:50

oh , I think the supernatural world yeah , that would really go back to what you were explaining and what you know . You know lua alessandro was explaining to us in regards to what's actually being told out here and how these worlds are kind of , as you're saying , going to be brought forward , but it's been a part of our natural existence . It's been out there to the public for a long time . It just hasn't been shared to the white man because of the First Nations , as you would say , or have kept this story or have not shared the story other than in the artwork .

Speaker 3 50:28

Uh , that has been you know has been carved well before , like the industrial revolution and the atom bomb , we were a world of science and religion that merged . It was only during the compartmentalization of the industrial revolution and the atom bomb that we start to bisect and silo these phenomena is not working together , but we really come from a world of the supernatural law . Right like not the mystery , not the folklore , like angels and demons kind of stuff . Right like this is the talk throughout all religions , and so I see that , coming back now , I mean this is what's being talked about . This is what Jacques Vallée , you know , talks about regularly with people when he's having a glass of wine .

Speaker 3 51:15

All of these researchers into the hard sciences of UFOs are all like really invested into the supernatural consequences of what we're looking at here , and I think the same will be true for Bigfoot . I supernatural consequences of what we're looking at here , and I think the same will be true for Bigfoot . I don't know what we're talking about here , but I don't put them in the demonic category , no more than I put us . You know they're capable of great , you know evil , but so are we . They have that kind of humanity to them . So are we . They have that kind of humanity to them , and I'm only saying that because I lived with them in this little place in Cottage Grove for about a year and a half .

Speaker 3 51:52

As crazy as that sounds to have them as your neighbor , we had ample evidence that they were there , not only the sightings but footprints , hair gosh , these giant knee impressions .

Speaker 3 52:13

We walked away with a lot of physical evidence from this place , including our sightings , and it was never to the point where we were worried about them .

Speaker 3 52:24

We were kind of worried about the phenomena that seemed to be attached to them or that they would attract , and this would be the poltergeist activity , or what people call the hitchhiker effect , where the supernatural stuff follows you home , sure , and it appears like a poltergeist activity . So , but the big , the Bigfoot stuff in general , you know , when you're looking into it , when you're going into the woods , when you're , let's just say , you believe this is a flesh and blood issue , I think it will kind of present itself to you . That way , you kind of get what you're looking for to a degree , but eventually you're going to have your mind blown with these doggone lights that appear within the proximity of where you're having Bigfoot action . And this would be these plasmoids , these orbs that appear near them , and I hope I'm not blowing too many minds away , but this is the thing , like you just got to get used to it . When you're looking into Bigfoot , you're looking into the supernatural .

Speaker 2 53:22

And I think a lot of the time where we've had researchers come on , and it's been a while since we've had you come on . Um , it's been forever since we've had um uh the voice . Um , he really should be the uh the voice , the voice of the us phenomenon , but um , why can't ? Uh , the sierra sounds um oh morehead yeah ron ron , yeah , um , it's been forever .

Speaker 2 53:44

And those stories that you know , that he's shared , you've shared , um , the native american component , the first nations component , to to a lot of this , uh , these stories that were shared from you know that haven't been told by the Native Americans , where they were coalesced , working with Sasquatch or had some type of . I've heard this from you , know from others that are out there you know , sharing their different versions of these different stories , and it's interesting to me how the community that is involved or is in search of the elusive Bigfoot , engulfed , or is in search of the elusive Bigfoot , how some can't coalesce or work together . It's like I don't , I don't , like you know what I mean , like I don't understand , like it's okay , I guess let me put it to you this way I know there's DJs out here and you know right . It's like the same thing , it's like the same thing .

Speaker 2 54:42

It's like you're hating on the the other DJ . You're like . Oh man he the way he spun that song does suck . He didn't play it right , so I guess that I , I can relate to that piece . But I always tell everyone I'm like dude , we're on the same thing , like who gives a care .

Speaker 3 55:08

Yeah , you know , it's just interesting to me . It's pandering for relevance and it strikes um easiest to the male ego , which is generally pretty frag , fragile , right , and um , you know this phenomena , once you find out it's real , it's kind of like finding , um , you know sauron's ring and lord of the rings just like , can you bury the bear ? The weight of what this phenomenon is , cause it goes to your ego , it goes to your the nature of how you will handle these God-like abilities . Right , like you're witnessing superpowers happen before you , something that shouldn't exist . Now you know it exists . It's a type of responsibility . But then your ego is just like , well , I want to be the one , I want , I'm the most relevant , I , it's the same with , I'm sure with the dj . Just like , oh no , I'm gonna spin that rick assley in a way that nobody's heard it before .

Speaker 2 55:58

For sure , for sure , we're gonna rickroll you really well yeah um , before we , before we get out of , I want to ask you a couple things , something that I've noticed when I've been out in the woods , either off-roading , looking for a sunset , for a romantic sunset or whatever and it's been a while since I've done that but if you're out there and you see stacks of rocks , what does that mean to an individual , like someone who may be out here hiking , who's just a hiker , but they're starting to see rock formations or sticks that are like lined up back to back to back ?

Forest Exploration and Safety Tips

Speaker 2 56:34

Um , what are we telling ? What are we ? What should we share with our , our listening audience or viewing audience ? What ? What are we seeing here ? What are ? What is this ?

Speaker 3 56:42

well , not everything that looks interesting in the forest is . Weather does some crazy stuff . I've got friends that look for stuff on the forest floor and they swear that it's some kind of archaic stick , latin , or glyphs , as they call them . Those things do exist , but in the forest they better be pretty dang impressive . The one thing I do look for are big branches that have been laid up against the tree , that are in groups , like a bunch of big branches grouped together , leaning up against a tree and maybe going in a direction . To me that's interesting , especially if you can follow up on it and see that more limbs are added or taken away over a period of time . Those are the kind of things that would happen to us at the Al Moon Lab , and it ended up with sightings , tracks , multiple people having experiences , and so I think there's something to what we would call leaners .

Speaker 2 57:42

Because you know , when you're out there and I get the weather piece , but when you find , when you're finding rocks stacked up in it , like in a formation , weather's not doing that . You know what I mean .

Speaker 3 57:53

It's like well and , but those are karens too , because hikers leave those as way points and turning points . I guess you're right . And so if you get to a summit you'll find what's called a rock karen and then , and then , if you go to the summit , people add to the cairn kind of deal . But people also do those for taking a wrong turn , like people that are up to no good sometime will leave these markers that other people won't notice , like rocks , and that means turn right to go , drop off your bag of contraband or pick up the satchel of money . So those are things too that people do .

Speaker 2 58:28

So when you're out here , if you're hiking or if you're looking for a Bigfoot , be prepared , right . I mean clearly that's number one . You've got to be out here in the element , especially right now , this time of season . It's unfortunate . My thoughts go out to the two family members of the two individuals that have passed At the end of the day Tobe be prepared , man . I mean carry a gun , you know . Be , carry your bear spray for me , you know , if I'm out here in the , in the city , I mean I don't , don't know , man , it might be rougher in the city than it is out in the country yeah , I don't envy that man .

Speaker 3 59:11

I'd much rather take my chances in the sticks than in some places I've been over , you know in pierce county there is um .

Speaker 2 59:20

There's an app that I used , um , it's called the citizens app and um . So I know I'm getting notifications of stuff that's going on when I'm wherever I'm at within my geotag .

Speaker 2 59:35

So like , let's say , I go to costco and they're like hey , there's a guy who just at gunpoint to a mile and a half down the street , I'm like oh my gosh , because I'm not one who is packing a gun into costco , right , you know , that's just not me well , even if you had a gun , that's still scary just to be involved with it , right ?

Speaker 2 59:55

right , I don't even want to see that kind of stuff so I was like , oh , do I need to abandon my costco shopping cart to head home , to get out of harm's way ? Clearly they caught the guy , they arrested him , blah , blah , blah . But take the precautions , like you said . Download Audix , not the band , not the hip-hop artist band . Do you remember that band Slam ?

Speaker 3 1:00:18

Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da , the boys .

Speaker 2 1:00:20

Yes , okay , good , I'm glad when you said that , it made me go to that in my head . So , um , that's how , that's how young we are . And um , again , as as we wrap things up here from the pacific northwest , uh , tobe , uh , what do you tell these individuals out here who , uh , want to be avid Sasquatch researchers and enthusiasts ?

Speaker 3 1:00:47

Well , they can show up at a local event that I have in Port Townsend , washington , every third Wednesday at the Anchor Saloon at 628 Water Street . We meet there from 7 to close . It's a 21-over environment . Once a month , the 15th of January , we're going to be talking about abductions . We're going to have a guy on from Zoom , from Skinwalker Ranch , and an actual abductee from Port Townsend talking about their case Not Sasquatch , we're talking of the ET kind , and then each month it changes from subject to subject , so not always just Bigfoot . However , I am kind of the Bigfoot guy there . There's other Bigfoot people that show up and that would be a good place to start networking with other like minds .

Speaker 3 1:01:36

The other thing you can do if you're interested in going out in the woods is , you know , see if you can go out in the woods and stand it .

Speaker 3 1:01:47

You know , as far as like hearing strange stuff , you don't necessarily want to be out in the woods at night hearing strange stuff right in the beginning . Just take it easy , you know what I mean . Like if you're coming in from the city and you want to get out in the woods and go into , like I don't know green water or out to a lull like we're talking , talking about you don't have to go that far , um , and then go check out , uh , some of these um museums like go to cliff's museum and see the evidence for yourself and and judge for yourself . And see the size of a sasquatch , see if you want to see one , because generally eight feet is like the average height . You know , I built a replica out in forks , washington , at sasquatch the legend museum . He's called biggie . He's eight and a half feet tall and about three and a half feet wide at the shoulders . So do you really want to see something like that in the daytime or the night ?

Speaker 2 1:02:39

right , uh , you also do artwork . I know that you recently had . You have some of your artwork that is for sale , so make sure , if you have a chance , go to tobes facebook page .

Speaker 3 1:02:49

You still have that available , right I'm a chainsaw carver so I do bigfoot heads a lot of them yeah , and you were still .

Speaker 2 1:02:56

You did those , already sell the ones that you had I , yeah , I sell out every time I create them . I've made three today and they're already gone all right , well , well , never , never mind then , so don't go to , well you ?

Speaker 3 1:03:08

can go check out Facebook Wood Watchers Wood Watchers on Facebook and you can look at the profile .

Speaker 2 1:03:16

Awesome Again , tobe .

Tragic Bigfoot Enthusiast Deaths

Speaker 2 1:03:19

It's always fun to have you come on and talk about this stuff . It's unfortunate that it is in regards to two researchers that were enthusiasts looking for the elusive bigfoot and they lost their lives to uh , to the , to the inclement weather yeah excuse me , excuse me exposure exposure yeah that's what they died of , that's what they said right of .

Speaker 2 1:03:44

So if you're out here and you have information , feel free to send me a text 775-990-5151 . We'd love to have you come on and share what information you might have . If you don't follow us , please do so . You can download the podcast if you're watching us . You're watching us through YouTube , twitch or instagram , uh or facebook , however that plays out for you . You can go to uh my website to download the podcast on air mariocom . Click on the podcast link to subscribe to the podcast . Uh , for my entire team . Uh , mark christopher sophia magana . Again , tobe , thank you so much for coming to hang out with us .

Speaker 3 1:04:24

Yeah , thank you , mario .

Speaker 2 1:04:26

As I always say , be sure to look up at the sky , cause you never know what you might see . Good night , he's gone .