U.S. Phenomenon with Mario Magaña
Welcome to "U.S. Phenomenon" with Mario Magaña, a riveting podcast that dives deep into the unexplained and the extraordinary. Join Mario, the host as he explores the most intriguing paranormal events, alien encounters, and mysterious sightings across the United States. With his unique blend of real-life experience and passion for the unexplained, Mario brings you thrilling stories and expert insights in every episode. Whether it's alien abductions, ghostly apparitions, or cryptozoological creatures, Mario's engaging storytelling will captivate and keep you on the edge of your seat. Tune in to "U.S. Phenomenon" and embark on a journey into the unknown that will have you questioning everything you thought you knew.
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Bigfoot Mysteries: Unraveling Wilderness Disappearances and Exploring Supernatural Phenomena
The tragic story of two missing hikers searching for Bigfoot not only captivates with its mysteries but also serves as a cautionary tale about wilderness safety. This episode discusses the recent events, highlighting essential tips for preparation and respect in nature, while also unpacking the cultural significance of the Sasquatch phenomena.
• Exploration of the circumstances surrounding the hikers' disappearance
• Insights from expert Tobe Johnson on Bigfoot research
• Importance of preparedness and safety in wilderness hiking
• Discussion of emotional responses when lost in the woods
• Cultural significance of Sasquatch in various communities
• Emphasis on fostering a supportive outdoor community
• Encouragement to respect the natural environment and its mysteries
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Welcome to US Phenomenon, where possibilities are endless. Put down those same old headlines. It's time to expand your mind and question what if? From paranormal activity to UFOs, bigfoot sightings and unsolved mysteries, this is US Phenomenon?
Speaker 2:From the Pacific Northwest in the shadow of the 1962 World's Fair, the space you know. Good evening, good morning, good afternoon. Wherever you are on God's green earth, I'm your host, mario Magana. This is US Phenomenon, where we explore the extraordinary and the unexplained. We're discussing the shocking news about the two hikers that went missing in search of the elusive Bigfoot Sasquatch.
Speaker 2:Our guest, tove Johnson, is a well-known figure in the realm of Bigfoot research. With his deep passion for exploring the mysteries of the natural world, johnson has dedicated years to meticulously investigating and documenting the elusive creature known as Bigfoot. His journey began with a profound fascination for the unknown and a desire to uncover the truth behind these countless sightings reported globally. Johnson's approach combines scientific rigor with open-minded curiosity, allowing him to navigate the complexities of his field with skepticism and wonder. In addition to his field work, he's also an accomplished author, with a book called the al moon lab a paranormal experience receiving widespread acclaim. Through his research and writings, tobe johnson continues to inspire fellow researchers and enthusiasts, inviting us all to question the unknown and embrace the wonder of the natural world. It is my pleasure to welcome back to us phenomenon tobe johnson.
Speaker 3:Welcome back to the show man that bio dude is straight out of ai. There ain't no way I'm that cool, no, yeah.
Speaker 2:Hey man, you know when you when you, when you do, when you produce the show and have to do produce, host and everything else. It's kind of nice to have a help out once in a while.
Speaker 3:I like it OK, great, so I'm glad to be here. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2:You know it's interesting to me about these two hikers that have gone missing. I know there's tons to me about these two hikers that have gone missing. I know there's tons of reports out there, uh, what we do know is that two that these two hikers were um out looking for bigfoot um, so both of these men tragically passed away in the gifford uh pincho national forest. Now there are there are so many different records or reports out here. One guy was 37. The other guy was 59. What do you know so far in regards to what information we have up to this point?
Speaker 3:I really don't know anything. That's going to be news to the listening audience? I don't think. But the unfortunate part for me let's just start with a little bit of griping, then we'll get into what's going on. The unfortunate part to me is this story broke nationally all over right, like Reuters got it, everyone got it because it had the word Bigfoot attached to the unfortunate death of two individuals that you know had an untimely event happen to them out in a very interesting squatchy area, skamania County Also, where Ted, I almost said tax and gouge me, but Ted Kulangoski, the old governor, put down an order. Basically, you can't kill a Bigfoot, kind of as a lark, I think, for a family member, maybe his daughter, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 3:And so, but it is an actual order in Skamania County that you cannot kill a Bigfoot or harass a Bigfoot. Or harass a bigfoot, I think, um, and I don't know if that is necessarily the case anywhere else in the united states. So here, these guys are fresh out of portland, from what I read, and they were going in there, I believe, on christmas eve or around that time, I think, maybe just a day trip and they're supposed to be back. They didn't come back and then search and rescue got involved, and the interesting or perplexing part for me is the fact A that the names have not been released. We were talking a little bit about that, mario.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:That does strike me as something that's ordinary. That does strike me as something that's ordinary. I was talking to a deputy ex-deputy sheriff, rich Germeau, who's also a witness out here in the Olympic Peninsula, used to work the beat in La Push, washington. He was saying when they don't release the names like that, that there's something more going on to the story.
Speaker 2:So for those who are listening or maybe watching, we're going to pull up a really nice map here in just a few seconds. But to kind of paint the picture and kind of for those that may be driving or listening to the podcast, the Gifford Pinchot National Forest is located in southern Washington, which covers 1.3 million acres. That's a lot of forest. Now this is tucked in from the columbia river up through mount adams and mount rainier national volcano monument. Now what's interesting to me about that whole city? That's dense forest man, huge dense forest. Right, I mean, you're talking. Let me pull this map up for us here. We're talking about a map and as we look at this, it is profoundly so dense in this area. Now, according to the reports, they were down here in Willard Washington. Now they were on the Oklahoma Road. I believe this is the road out here.
Speaker 3:Yes, right, yes Right.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah. But what's interesting to me, that this doesn't even seem like the information that was given to everyone seems too vague to me, as you're, as I'm starting to do the research myself to look at this map which has Bigfoot sightings. I'm like this to me, tob doesn't look like there's. You know, we're just talking about a road that hits up. But if I mean how many miles, I mean this is you know, maybe you know five, ten miles up the road. I mean you got to get in here, did like do some serious hiking.
Speaker 2:Now if I pull up the map, if I pull out from the map here, we can start to see some of these Bigfoot sightings here on the map. But what's interesting to me is that this area, the topography is wild. I mean we got dense forest, you have elevation, drastic elevation changing. But as we continue to pull the map completely out, you start to see the hot spots here of all the different sightings of Bigfoot, even including up through the Rainier. I mean this is hot stuff, man. It's pretty interesting to me when you start to pull all the way out, when you start to see the hotbeds and where these guys are hanging out at.
Speaker 3:Mario, can you go back to Oklahoma Road again? I'm just seeing something there that's kind of interesting. Nothing per se to do, what would happen there, but an anomaly of sorts If you can go north even more to where you were. Keep going, keep going. Higher, higher, higher Oklahoma there. See those go up a little farther to see the dice that rolled there in the forest off to the left. Yeah, up here. No, over here, look to the left. There's no keep going left, more, more left in the forest.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, see those guys.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, oh yeah. See those dice. Yeah yeah, that's. That's interesting to me. I don't know what that means If loggers just do that. That you know.
Speaker 3:Here's the deal is that we could get really conspiratorial about what the Forest kind of things that I look for when I'm looking for hot spots. Not only you know is this a great resource? This may be. What brought them to this area was a recent report on a map like this. It could have very well been something you know that they heard about. Maybe a family member had an experience. The thing is that we should know and not just in a nosy way. The police should end any kind of speculation or conspiratorial stuff by releasing the names and say you know, unfortunately these guys got wet and cold, they had hypothermia. Don't do the same.
Speaker 3:This area is very dangerous. There's obviously some creeks that we had to cross to get there right. Um, and I find that odd too that they crossed a creek, at least one. Um, the search and rescue did. At least they had a ladder out. They crossed a creek.
Speaker 3:Um, and what were these guys doing in a snow drift area for a day? Hike, crossing creeks, looking for Bigfoot? That's a little bit. That's strange to me. I wouldn't do it unless I knew that there was something on the other side of that creek that I had to get to it's. It's just too hard to cross creeks in the wet and cold like that unless you're wearing like really big muck boots that are neoprene. So that's a little bit odd.
Speaker 3:But people do stuff in the woods that they shouldn't do and they think they can get away with it. I've been lost in the woods. It's a horrible feeling. The first thing that happens to you is you panic and you have to talk yourself out of not panicking. And if you're with another person and they're trusting on you as being the guy that gets them in and out, it becomes really embarrassing. So now you have the panic and the shame. So this like strikes home to me.
Speaker 3:The few times I've been lost, both of those emotions came over me. And the shame right like the movie with Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin called the Edge. There's this scene in there where they get lost in the Alaska wilderness and they have this bear chasing them. And you know, anthony Hopkins turns to the Baldwin character and says you know, it's not the elements that will kill you, it's the shame that you've been outsmarted by the wilderness, and that's absolutely true. And if you don't have your wits about you, you can get turned around really quick in the dense brush and we can talk about ways that I've overcome those hurdles, so I don't ever get lost again, if you want to yes, definitely for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what's interesting to me about this whole situation? A1, just like you were saying, uh, just a few minutes ago about why they didn't haven't released the names of these two individuals, um, what's is this does? Is this more of a crime scene that we're looking at now? Was there? Why didn't they just say this is where they were at? It's the same thing as the gentleman that went missing in 2020, sam DeBolle, who was an avid hiker, who went missing in the Mowich Lake, mother Mountain, over by Mount Rainier. He was over in this area, in a very dense, uh, very dense area on the mother mountain trail and, uh, this was during october and he, uh the. The last thing they saw of him was his water bottle and nothing else was found of the gentleman. So he's been, he's been, not, he has not been found. So if he's fallen into a crevasse, um, what's interesting? There's nothing to be found. But they definitely released his name. But in this case, it does strike me that the information on these two gentlemen has not been released.
Speaker 3:And I don't know if families have wishes to not release the name. Does that bypass what the state and the sheriff's office do with the names? I don't know how any of that works. Legality, yeah, um, I didn't, I didn't check into it, but generally the names, eventually um, are released right, like if you follow Politi's work on 411, missing 411, there's usually names attached. Right when he gets on youtube he brings up very specific information. Um, but, yeah, I mean anybody listening to this right now. I mean you can get in touch with mario or myself. Um, I'd like to hear more. You can reach out to me on on facebook under the same name, tobe johnson, or reach out to me over at olympicstrangedays at gmailcom. I'd like to know more about what the protocol is for state and local law enforcement regarding releasing the names of people that are missing or presumed dead.
Speaker 2:So, tobe, you were talking a few minutes ago about getting lost in the woods, but when you go out to do your research, in, in, in the winter time, I'm assuming you do this all year round. I'm assuming that maybe maybe.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've been on the phone all day planning a trip for tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, yeah, in regards to this, I mean, obviously, inclement weather. This is definitely. I mean, anywhere you go this time of season, the weather can switch on a dime on you. What do you tell most of these? I don't want enthusiasts, amateur Bigfoot researchers, someone out there looking for the elusive creature. I want them to be prepared. I know that this is not something that typically happens a lot, but it seems that people are still going hiking this ain't 2020, and everyone's like okay, I'm going to get a backpack on and I'm going out in the woods, but there are a lot more avid hikers in here in the Pacific Northwest. What are we telling individuals to do and what are you preparing yourself to do when you go out into those and into these areas?
Speaker 3:well, um, the first thing I would suggest people doing is research where you're going and what the weather is going to be this time of year, because things change so drastically and there's washouts all over out here in the Olympic Peninsula so you may not get to where you're going, but what? What happens if you get to the area and there's a washout or a down tree and you can't get yourself out and you're 30 miles in the backcountry without a cell phone signal. So these are all the things that I think of, because these have either happened or I've heard of them happening. And so this time of year you need some things with you that you don't necessarily need in the summer as a rule, but the big one is presume you're going to get wet and cold and always have a change of gear with you and a tote, and that tote is going to be like a Costco size tote for $6.99 and you're going to stick it in your trunk and you're going to make it your priority tote that has all your gear in it, a change of clothes, you know, any kind of survival gear that you need, as far as like a little Coleman stove, a couple little snacks in there may not be enough, so I would just go ahead and get the freeze dried one for $8.99. All this stuff can be bought on Amazon, by the way.
Speaker 3:And then the big one is a chainsaw. You can get a little tiny battery operated chainsaw to keep in your truck. That chainsaw is not only going to help you, maybe, get out of an area, but it can also help you create a fire really quickly if you need to, if you are stuck on the side of the road and there's a you know that's such a. We were talking earlier about the shame element. I want to drive this point home again because it's so important. If you feel like you're winning the battle against the cold with a fire, that's a huge ego boost for you for the night and chances are you're not going to be out there more than a night.
Speaker 3:Now, if you're away from your car and your tote's back in your vehicle, then you need to have some of this stuff in your pack, a way to keep yourself warm and alert and dry. So you need a day pack to bring with you out on these, even a day hike. You also need protection of some kind. I would prefer something small that you can keep in your pocket and keep things at a distance from you, right? Those are the kind of things that I have in my pocket, as well as bear spray and other things like that. I've I've had to use these items to keep people at bay and animals at bay, and you, you know it's something that you don've had to use these items to keep people at bay and animals at bay, and you know it's something that you don't necessarily ever want to have to use.
Speaker 2:But Lord fear if you need it and you don't have it, but the big one, go ahead, go ahead. I was going to say you said you had to use it on animals and people, so you're saying you're running into other individuals that may be. Are we talking these like what? Are these the feral people out there in the woods?
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 3:So I do a lot of solo, remote camping on abandoned roads that lead into the high country of the Olympic Peninsula, right. So in this incident, around 2.30 in the morning, I had some individuals show up and throw their high beams on at me about you know, 20 to 30 yards away, and they just sat there in their truck. And so if you present the fact that you're not just, you know going to be a bystander waiting to get abused, then people tend to back up. And so who knows what that would have turned into had I, you know not had a second amendment approach to the whole thing. It may have been me as a victim that died of uh or disappeared, who knows. Or just you know what I mean. Like I don't want those kind of conditions when I'm out to explore the beauty. I don't want to deal with that, but there are feral people out in the woods.
Speaker 3:I just took a report up here on the Elwha River of a guy that ran into three feral individuals in the high, remote country that were coming down as though they had lived in the winter up in this area where it snows, and I said, well, what did they look like?
Speaker 3:And he's just like well, it was kind of like the hills have eyes and they look like they had resources. And I said, well, what do you mean by resources? Just like they had gear. But you could tell that they'd been out there for months and we didn't exchange words. So I'm going to go meet with this guy next week and get his story, because it is interesting to me, not only because of the Bigfoot thing, but the very fact that we do have individuals that aren't necessarily homeless or in crisis. They've chosen a different path, kind of like the Alaskan bush people perhaps, and they live out in the woods and they probably are a-okay in some degrees, but you never know it's kind of interesting when you talk about that, because there's a lot of stuff that doesn't get talked about.
Speaker 2:Doing my research, continuing to do my investigation work, still looking through the information freedom act in regards to the people that have gone missing in the national parks and I know that there's already someone out there who does a fantastic job but really just to try to find more information about certain individuals that have gone missing locally here in town. Uh, like the assistant professor, every, I mean, I've done a show about this guy for like the last couple years. Every october we talk about this guy that has gone missing, but there's nothing to be found of him except for his water bottle. I'm like, where did his tent go? Where did his clothes go? Where did he go? Did he? You know, these are things that I think about. Uh, not to get off on a tangent, but like you know how many feral people are living in the national park, you know what I mean. It's it's not talked about, it's not really talked about and as, as you know, as people talk, as you you know, are sharing your experiences out about these different individuals, people coming to mess with you, or, you know, you being able to protect yourself in in in your, while you're doing your research. It's almost a hazard for you. Not only is the inclement weather a hazard, but it's also individuals that could be hazardous to you as well. In this case, with these two hikers that were pronounced missing and then eventually pronounced dead. I mean, we're talking, you know some resources that were put in 60 people in search for these two individuals. You know them crossing a creek with a ladder. It seemed like they were definitely deep in the woods.
Speaker 2:But, man, I can't imagine if I was out there doing research looking for Bigfoot, and everybody knows well. I make it known that I'm like you're not going to see me out there researching it. There are plenty of other people to do it and I'm not that great of an avid hiker. I've already been spooked. I don't. I don't carry a second amendment. I probably should. Um, I believe in it.
Speaker 2:But what's interesting to me is, like the times that I've gone up, you know, you know back, you know going off-roading and things of that nature in the summer, looking for a sunset over mount by mount, rainier, the things that I've seen were plenty enough to make me to get the hell out. Now, was it Bigfoot, was it? You know feral people, I don't know. But to see rocks stacked in a certain way, sticks put on the national, whatever the Forest Service Road, you know where you're going, through the gates and whatnot, but I'm like why am I finding more? Whatever the forest service road, you know where you're going through, the gates and whatnot, but I'm like why am I? Why am I finding more? Why am I finding wood sticks bunched up together? I'm like clearly somebody does not want us continuing up the road. Um, have you ever encountered anything like that?
Speaker 3:yeah, there's a really strange case. I'll'll tell you real quick. It'll take me a few minutes here. But in an area called the French Pete Wilderness in Oregon I used to live in a little town of Springfield, oregon, and outside of Spring. First it was a physics professor from the University of Oregon. His name was Professor Xing Zhu. All they found of his in the French Pete wilderness was, I believe, his leather backpack.
Speaker 3:About three to four years later a guy by the name of Jake Dutton, retired Coast Guard, went missing in the exact same area. Lower part of the trail had french peat wilderness. Nonetheless, jake dutton had a background, um, I believe he was a coast guard reservist, so he definitely had cold weather background. Young guy I think he lived in eugene. Um, he was planning on just doing maybe an overnight or two and was going into the back country. Never found um went missing for maybe two to three years.
Speaker 3:The mother drove all the way down from portland oregon, put a sign that she made herself on the trailhead sign and said my son, um, was killed under mysterious circumstances, I think. Uh, and you know, there's no body that was ever found. And here the mother came down and wrote that. So we went up there to look for Jake and didn't find him. But we found out that a friend of ours actually found his skull on top of a fern. Now, jake's body was so far back at a hidden area that three to three years had passed, I believe, since he went missing. So you have all that snow, you have all that weather, a lot of heavy snow, a lot of heavy current coming down the creek, turning it into a river. Now his skull was placed on top of a fern by the creek. His shoes were tied and placed by his backpack. They were unopened and there was no weathering. That was really noted.
Speaker 3:Uh, from the report from my buddy that had found this, not not so much body, but had found jake's skull, of course he was interviewed as a possible suspect. He wasn't, uh and um. So my point about this is is that they ruled jake stutton died of exposure and there's no way to know what happened to jake, because there was nothing left except the top of his skull cap and his skull to me seems as though it was placed there for someone to find it, because you don't have three winters rolling by and have a bleached white skull cap set on top of a fern Sure, um, and the shoes were sitting next to one another and tied and there was no, there was no attempt of rescue on Jake's part to get in his backpack, um, so that those are the kinds of weird things I've been a part of. Uh, those are, you know, stories near my bigfoot areas where I've had really strange stuff happen, and so when people start putting in, I mean I know like polities doesn't like to put the the category of s Sasquatch involved with these things here, but I'll just say that these are individuals, these are not fake, they're not phony, these are very real phenomena. I've seen one and they come as individuals do, and I think that they're capable of great individual personalities, and so I don't bet totally back away from the fact that if someone goes missing and has ruled out, you know, a death from exposure, that they actually died of exposure.
Speaker 3:I don't know what happened to Jake Duttons. Maybe a serial killer got him, maybe some crazed, lunatic, feral person got him. But that's kind of what bigfoot is to me. I've never had a run in them, run in with them, where I was scared for my life. It's always been very inquisitive. Uh, it's almost like teenage pranksters, like frat boy personality stuff, sure, um, and there seems to be a real genuine type of like, humanity and kindness to them and so. But there is these other qualities. I don't know what's all out in the woods it could.
Speaker 2:It's a very strange world and when you talk about his shoes being there, if he was still in his shoes wouldn't, wouldn't his feet still be?
Speaker 3:the remains of his feet still be in the shoe, you know predation and weather, uh, are big factors, mario, and that predation coyotes, sure, rats, beavers, birds, they'll all get in there and nothing really lasts that long in the woods. Now you can watch time lapse videos of predation happen to like a roadkill or something like that, right, but then you know you don't see what the weather is doing and it's not in the dense, mossy forest of the pacific northwest. So you have that amplitude of things that are starving around you on top of the weather and like mega fauna. You know, depleting those things. So things do go very quickly but you still find bones, like I found, yeah, very old bones out in the woods and they're intact yeah, that was my thing.
Speaker 2:I was like, well, I wonder if there were still bones, uh, other than the skull cap, that what you know was found. It just it's, it's, just it's. And I think the one thing that I really wanted to bring to the attention of our listeners who are out here I don't know so much. I know that there are avid hunters out here, there are people that do enjoy hiking Just a quick reminder that hey, if you're going to be out here in the element, make sure you are protected, wearing your protective gear. We'll have links if you need stuff, but clearly you're not. You're not getting your expertise from me but, um, because, lord knows, you know I don't do a lot of. You know I'm my urban, my urban hiking is out, you know, trying to.
Speaker 2:You know, fend someone off third avenue over there, off of third and pike oh yeah, wild yeah um, but so you know tobe, when we talk about these, these situations, these two individuals, let's, let's go down the let's go down the rabbit hole, uh, if we can. In regards to what do you think if you were to put yourselves in their shoes, what in the hell were you thinking about doing near christmas time? What you know it would like it? No one says they were they. You know family members. I mean, it is so vague in regards to what, actually, what their knowledge was to you know who? Were they related to each other? Were they just two guys out here trying to do a documentary and try to submit it to you or somebody else?
Speaker 2:I know that you're not a part of this, but there's so many people trying to make a quick dollar. Were these guys trying to do a book? Bigfoot Only Fans I have you know. Was it Bigfoot Fetish? I have no idea in regards to why, so close to the holidays, would you think someone would be out here doing this type of research?
Speaker 3:Well, on Christmas Eve there were five friends of mine and they all went out bigfooting. They left their families, it was raining, they all went up into the woods overnight and the reason that they went is because the night before they captured language and, um, that's very difficult to do. That's kind of the holy grail is like you know, you get bigfoot tracks, you have a good sighting, maybe you get on film, but if you can record an unknown language from these things, then it gets into a different category of what we're talking about, because a sidebar, if they have language, they have culture and if they have culture it's a game changer. We're not talking about primates in the typical sense, like a relic hominid or anything like that. So maybe these guys got a hit like on the map there. These are all cluster areas that we're looking at, um, so if you go down there, you can see Bigfoot tracks were found. So there's a Bigfoot print, there's different color-coded types of encounters Yellow, red, bright red, orange and then there's auditory things too there as well. So they were in a hot zone. But Scamania, the whole thing, is a hot zone and that's all you have to do is go to Skamania County and you walk the streets and you're going to see Bigfoot stuff all over downtown. You know just by over. I don't know if you've ever been to Skamania area, but if you go on the Columbia River Gorge, like you're heading towards Benjen Washington or Beacon Rock, you'll run into Skamania County and it's known as a Bigfoot hotspot. So it could very well be.
Speaker 3:These guys hopped in there just to do a day trip and on a lark they went uplahoma road and they got into some trouble. I don't know why they got into some trouble. Now here's one thing I would like to ask the audience is that I heard that the search and rescue team had their gear stolen and that they're actually now having to crowdfund to replace the gear. Now, was that gear stolen on the site? Because if they were in the backcountry and that gear was stolen, that's a very interesting move by somebody. It wasn't, in my opinion, unless they had Snickers or something in there, it probably wasn't a bear. They would see sign that it was a bear. But if their gear was taken right, maybe it was taken back at like the search and rescue shack in portland or the dallas or wherever they came in from, and that's maybe they just had a break-in, but I I haven't been able to loop that together, so I'd like to know where that gear was taken.
Speaker 2:That's interesting. I did not get that report but, as I take a few seconds here to put my thoughts together, if they were out looking and the gear was stolen during the search and rescue, that would lead me to believe that there was something else out there Feral people, maybe a group of individuals who have gone off the grid? Obviously the same thing, Maybe not as feral as, maybe, people living off the grid. Maybe it's a cluster of Sasquatch that may be more advanced in modern dayday times and maybe they're like Harry and the Henderson, and maybe these Bigfoot were like hey, I need a ladder and we need some tools.
Speaker 3:Let me finish the rest of this story about Jake Dutton After that event, after his body was found. A friend of mine by the name of Todd Bailey and Dave S we'll call him Dave S used to work for the local McKinsey Fire Department, and Todd Bailey is a big old redneck and he's never been outdone by the woods ever. And so they went out to see what happened to Jake Dutton, to find out if it was something nefarious, and they stayed in the area by themselves. That night Todd fell asleep underneath a cedar tree. Dave hung up his hammock, like he usually does, and that's kind of protocol when we all would go camping that next day. That next morning Todd found himself face down, 30 yards away from where he'd fallen asleep and his face pushed down into a fern. And he woke up to find that his body had been drenched.
Speaker 3:He was wearing one piece Carhartt uniform, like you see on the construction crew, sure, and his entire carhartt was soaked in urine and something had peed all over him not himself so as he, as he got up to figure out what had happened, he found that his only backpack had been moved and unzipped and something had peed a gallon of pee inside his backpack and then zipped it kindly back up. So now his change of clothes have also been peed on. This happened exactly where Jake Dutton, within proximity to where Jake Dutton's body, was found and recovered, and so people can believe that story or not. They can say that Todd had an accident and then did that. But this is the kind of high strangeness that makes you say things like we're not going to report this. It's not associated with what happened out here to Jake. It's a very tall tale, sounding kind of crazy story. But when we get into like gear being stolen if it was stolen out in the woods that becomes way more interesting to me. If it was stolen out of the camp shack back in the Dalles or Trout, wherever it was kept, tr? Um troutdale then it was probably a break-in. But why not just release the names, uh, of these people and? Um the circumstances, so other people don't find themselves in that trouble?
Speaker 3:And I don't know. You know here this is a close-knit, close-knit community. In portland there's a lot of Bigfooters in Portland. The NABC Cliff Berkman's Museum is in Boring, oregon, right across the Columbia River from Skamania County. I would imagine that these guys are interested in what happened to these guys. It's a very Bigfoot-rich area. So is it related? No, but the news kind of made it related because they push the story. It's like sasquatch hikers go missing and die of exposure. It's kind of a it's obviously a horrible thing to do because it desensitizes you from the tragedy of possibly daughters and sons and wives and brothers and sisters you know that had a a horrible Christmas and a horrible life, maybe. So what I am here to say is that there are strange things that happen in Bigfoot areas and they can be very creepy being prepared, um, like you said, having your whereabouts about where you're at.
Speaker 2:Um, all right, do you carry, like a gps unit, what is uh, what is uh, um, politely say to carry? You know, he was just said this on the axe. He said he was reminding everyone, hey, if you're going to be out here in the woods, make sure you have, you know, one of those recovery you know beacons yeah, so that if you know, you can put a.
Speaker 3:You can put a geo tracker on you so people can watch from afar where you are. Most phones already have that built into them. I mean, people can find out where you are even if you don't have a signal. They can ping and and triangulate. You know, I dropped an air tag in the middle of the Umpqua National Forest and I was able to track it and that wasn't around anything. You know what I mean. So that's like a $29 little thing that you can put in your pocket. That's the first thing I would do is go buy an air tag immediately put it in your backpack and forget about it and give your girlfriend or your wife or your kids you know a way to track you right so you can see where you're going. The other thing I would do is carry um a cell phone with a subscription to onyx, o-n-xx.
Speaker 3:Onyx, you can download digital maps. As long as you have a signal where Onyx is on your smartphone or your AirPad or whatever, you can get yourself out of the woods. It'll tell you exactly where you left and how to get back out of there what kind of terrain. I purposely got myself lost in the woods in the last two months since I bought it to see if it will work and it hasn't failed me yet tells you where the side roads are, how to get to the old logging road, how to get back to your truck. That's what you want to do, is you got to get back to your vehicle and you got to get to a main road, and that that's a way.
Speaker 3:And the other last thing I would say is carry flagging tape. It's like 299 at home depot. It's the stuff you see hanging in trees when loggers go there. It comes in a roll. You stick that next to onyx. You're never going to get lost. You just hang that with an eyesight as you're walking into a trail and you can't miss it. You can see it at night. You can also get little reflectors that look like thumbtacks. You can make them at home. You can buy reflector tape, put them on a thumbtack, spend an hour doing it, or go on Amazon and just look up reflective thumbtacks and you stick those on a tree and so as you're walking in, they're always on the same side of the tree or the branch and as you come out it looks like a street. You know heading down through the forest with your headlamp, and the other thing, too, is a headlamp. Headlamp and extra batteries. That'll save the day if you can have a bright flashlight or headlamp Preferably a headlamp, so you can use your hands.
Speaker 2:When you go out to do research, you have a favorite hot spot, do you like? Is there a place that you enjoy going the most during the winter time, the summertime? What's your all-time favorite location to go? Looking for the illusion?
Speaker 3:I know I want to go looking for the mini hoonie in hawaii. That's the ultimate goal the little people, the little people in Hawaii in board shorts. But if I can't make that happen, my PayPal account is no. If I can't make that happen, my favorite place to go as far as like the productivity of the action right the big phenomena is what's featured in our documentary A Flash of Beauty is this place called the Al Moon Lab, which was this enigmatic spot outside of Cottage Grove, oregon, where, after about 17 years of full-time research, I ended up seeing a Sasquatch for the first time. For the first time and having my mind blown in multiple ways, not only through the world of Bigfoot but the cross-pollination of the phenomena, which is largely paranormal-based, including poltergeist activity, ufo activity and everything under the sun attached to this one little unassuming house near Cottage Grove Lake.
Speaker 2:Under the sun, attached to this one little unassuming house, um near cottage grove lake for those who may think of the elusive bigfoot to be, not to know of it, to be paranormal, but to think of it as an indigenous to the planet it would. Would we say that it is indigenous to the planet, or do we say that it's, uh, not indigenous to the planet? Okay, or do? We are there, yeah I would say so.
Speaker 3:It's a lot like this ufo issue. Is that it? Um the? You know the soft disclosure with the ufo stuff? Mario is, mario is the Bigfoot disclosure?
Speaker 3:People don't know it yet, but no one's really saying that these are from outer space anymore. In fact, lou Elizondo, who's broken a lot of this stuff through ATIP, wrote the book Eminent about disclosure coming, basically says that these are coming through other realms, that they are coming through the pages in between. So they're not from inner space, outer space, they're from the pages in between, to quote him specifically. And so I think this is what the Native Americans have been telling us here. They straight up told me in 2004, these things come from between two worlds and we need to show that phenomena great respect. In fact, in our documentary we have a Native American.
Speaker 3:Tj Ravenwolf opens up a Flash of Beauty Paranormal Bigfoot with a ceremony and he looks into the fire and says forgive us for speaking so plainly about you. And this is the kind of reverence that still gives me goosebumps, because what we're talking about is real and not everybody who listens to this knows that yet. But when the ET stuff hits the fan and there's going to be like a major sighting that happens over downtown seattle, you know, maybe during a seahawks game? Um, right, right.
Speaker 2:I think that's going to open people's mind up in a way to where they look at this bigfoot phenomena and don't see it as a bumper sticker anymore it was funny when, when, when you say that you talked about you know the uh a sighting, when we were kind of skimming through the uh the map there, the uh the Bigfoot map, uh, through the you know the website of the uh Bigfoot project here, uh, I mean, there was sightings in downtown Tacoma, washington, over in the tide flats, which was kind of quite funny to me. I was like, oh, look at that, there's a. I was like there's someone must, if I can get over there quickly. It just kind of made me laugh for a second. I was like, oh, wow, people are, they're looking for, they're looking, they're seeing Bigfoot in these other, you know, populated areas.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, we would get sightings quite often right outside of Tacoma, in Kitsap County, in the little town of Alala, which is really, I think, only about a 15 minute, 20 minute drive to like, uh, you know, the close to the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in the I-5 corridor. Yes, but there's very. Look at how dense all that brush is like. If we're going solely with the physical aspect of Sasquatch using brush as camouflage, then bingo, how much of that is green. You know what I mean. So it gets pretty dark out here at 4 o'clock in the winter. You walk through that green, through a suburb at 5 or 10 o'clock or 2 in the morning.
Speaker 2:And that area is still very dense, olala, that Sedgwick Highway heading to 16, that area is very dense still Still, really, as you said, full of water. I mean, look at that, there's one right there.
Speaker 3:I didn't, even I didn't know that. Yeah Well, that's what. That was, my old backyard. And yeah, there'd be reports from not only our address of strange things being left in front of, uh the kitchen window, including handprints, um bricks that were stuck in people's um barbed wire fences, as though something went up and grabbed like a garden brick. We would have things disappear from the front of yard for months at a time and then return in the back of the yard, broken in half.
Speaker 3:We lived on private property on five acres, so I don't think it was the UPS guy. So you know, it gets really interesting really quick, like if these things are coming around and they're interested in property or they're interested in family groups and messing with uh stuff around your yard. Um, that doesn't really. I mean that points to a type of curiosity, but also points to a type of possible uh gaming. You know, like it seems like a trick, or. But this is what the native americans said about them is that they're tricksters, right, they're in the vein of the coyote, that they're, they're real. They're in the base of the totem pole, which is where you put the most powerful thing on the totem pole in the pacific northwest, from my understanding, and that sasquatch goes along with the other natural things that exist the bear, the salmon, the orca, the Bigfoot.
Speaker 2:So many people who and I think I saw this recently as you were doing some research you were showing some of these magnificent artwork of these totem poles at a casino. Was it Seven Cedars? Is that where you were at?
Speaker 3:Yeah, down the street.
Speaker 2:Yeah, great casino to stop in at. I'm not plugging them. They don't pay any of the bills here, but the artwork was so impressive. Pay any of the bills here, but, um, the artwork was so impressive. And for you to like show the artwork, uh, take a look at tobe's uh facebook page if you have a chance to take a look at that.
Speaker 2:It's interesting because I think a lot of us who look at totem poles we're like, oh yeah, it's great, and we, we move on with our day. We don't take the time to really go over with complexity and use our imaginations and to look at it and examine it and say what is that? Why is it that way? You know, what is the message here? I think a lot of it is the allure of you know, we're going to the casino, we're going to. You know, spend money, we're going to hit the buffet. We're going to the casino, we're going to. You know, spend money, we're going to hit the buffet. But what was so great on that? Uh, that piece that you showed. You took the time to show that and I was like damn, how many times have I gone to the casino and not looked at the artwork and not paid attention to what is actually being scribed or been? What story is being told on the totem pole?
Speaker 3:yeah, their story pulls. I mean, I don't know the story of what I was really showing you, but that was the supernatural world totem pole. They all had little placards on the bottom of it and it appeared to be a primate because it had the giant ears on the side of the head, like you would see with a chimp, and it had the purse lips, which is the tonic while the whistling, sasquatch, the whooping sound or the whistle, and then it had what appeared to be kind of like a humanoid and it's below it. So you know, this is we need to listen to these stories more from the First Nations people, because they do keep a lot to themselves, but there's a certain amount of them that are open books and if you can talk to a first nations person and they can tell you their story with great zest and zeal, take the opportunity to listen. Um, they, they.
Speaker 2:I think they're more right than they are wrong about bigfoot and when you, when you shared that piece about um, what was the word that you used or that was scribed on the on the totem pole that it was?
Speaker 2:oh, I think the supernatural world yeah, that would really go back to what you were explaining and what you know. You know lua alessandro was explaining to us in regards to what's actually being told out here and how these worlds are kind of, as you're saying, going to be brought forward, but it's been a part of our natural existence. It's been out there to the public for a long time. It just hasn't been shared to the white man because of the First Nations, as you would say, or have kept this story or have not shared the story other than in the artwork.
Speaker 3:Uh, that has been you know has been carved well before, like the industrial revolution and the atom bomb, we were a world of science and religion that merged. It was only during the compartmentalization of the industrial revolution and the atom bomb that we start to bisect and silo these phenomena is not working together, but we really come from a world of the supernatural law. Right like not the mystery, not the folklore, like angels and demons kind of stuff. Right like this is the talk throughout all religions, and so I see that, coming back now, I mean this is what's being talked about. This is what Jacques Vallée, you know, talks about regularly with people when he's having a glass of wine.
Speaker 3:All of these researchers into the hard sciences of UFOs are all like really invested into the supernatural consequences of what we're looking at here, and I think the same will be true for Bigfoot. I supernatural consequences of what we're looking at here, and I think the same will be true for Bigfoot. I don't know what we're talking about here, but I don't put them in the demonic category, no more than I put us. You know they're capable of great, you know evil, but so are we. They have that kind of humanity to them. So are we. They have that kind of humanity to them, and I'm only saying that because I lived with them in this little place in Cottage Grove for about a year and a half.
Speaker 3:As crazy as that sounds to have them as your neighbor, we had ample evidence that they were there, not only the sightings but footprints, hair gosh, these giant knee impressions.
Speaker 3:We walked away with a lot of physical evidence from this place, including our sightings, and it was never to the point where we were worried about them.
Speaker 3:We were kind of worried about the phenomena that seemed to be attached to them or that they would attract, and this would be the poltergeist activity, or what people call the hitchhiker effect, where the supernatural stuff follows you home, sure, and it appears like a poltergeist activity. So, but the big, the Bigfoot stuff in general, you know, when you're looking into it, when you're going into the woods, when you're, let's just say, you believe this is a flesh and blood issue, I think it will kind of present itself to you. That way, you kind of get what you're looking for to a degree, but eventually you're going to have your mind blown with these doggone lights that appear within the proximity of where you're having Bigfoot action. And this would be these plasmoids, these orbs that appear near them, and I hope I'm not blowing too many minds away, but this is the thing, like you just got to get used to it. When you're looking into Bigfoot, you're looking into the supernatural.
Speaker 2:And I think a lot of the time where we've had researchers come on, and it's been a while since we've had you come on. Um, it's been forever since we've had um uh the voice. Um, he really should be the uh the voice, the voice of the us phenomenon, but um, why can't? Uh, the sierra sounds um oh morehead yeah ron ron, yeah, um, it's been forever.
Speaker 2:And those stories that you know, that he's shared, you've shared, um, the native american component, the first nations component, to to a lot of this, uh, these stories that were shared from you know that haven't been told by the Native Americans, where they were coalesced, working with Sasquatch or had some type of. I've heard this from you, know from others that are out there you know, sharing their different versions of these different stories, and it's interesting to me how the community that is involved or is in search of the elusive Bigfoot, engulfed, or is in search of the elusive Bigfoot, how some can't coalesce or work together. It's like I don't, I don't, like you know what I mean, like I don't understand, like it's okay, I guess let me put it to you this way I know there's DJs out here and you know right. It's like the same thing, it's like the same thing.
Speaker 2:It's like you're hating on the the other DJ. You're like. Oh man he the way he spun that song does suck. He didn't play it right, so I guess that I, I can relate to that piece. But I always tell everyone I'm like dude, we're on the same thing, like who gives a care.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know, it's just interesting to me. It's pandering for relevance and it strikes um easiest to the male ego, which is generally pretty frag, fragile, right, and um, you know this phenomena, once you find out it's real, it's kind of like finding, um, you know sauron's ring and lord of the rings just like, can you bury the bear? The weight of what this phenomenon is, cause it goes to your ego, it goes to your the nature of how you will handle these God-like abilities. Right, like you're witnessing superpowers happen before you, something that shouldn't exist. Now you know it exists. It's a type of responsibility. But then your ego is just like, well, I want to be the one, I want, I'm the most relevant, I, it's the same with, I'm sure with the dj. Just like, oh no, I'm gonna spin that rick assley in a way that nobody's heard it before.
Speaker 2:For sure, for sure, we're gonna rickroll you really well yeah um, before we, before we get out of, I want to ask you a couple things, something that I've noticed when I've been out in the woods, either off-roading, looking for a sunset, for a romantic sunset or whatever and it's been a while since I've done that but if you're out there and you see stacks of rocks, what does that mean to an individual, like someone who may be out here hiking, who's just a hiker, but they're starting to see rock formations or sticks that are like lined up back to back to back? Um, what are we telling? What are we? What should we share with our, our listening audience or viewing audience? What? What are we seeing here? What are? What is this?
Speaker 3:well, not everything that looks interesting in the forest is. Weather does some crazy stuff. I've got friends that look for stuff on the forest floor and they swear that it's some kind of archaic stick, latin, or glyphs, as they call them. Those things do exist, but in the forest they better be pretty dang impressive. The one thing I do look for are big branches that have been laid up against the tree, that are in groups, like a bunch of big branches grouped together, leaning up against a tree and maybe going in a direction. To me that's interesting, especially if you can follow up on it and see that more limbs are added or taken away over a period of time. Those are the kind of things that would happen to us at the Al Moon Lab, and it ended up with sightings, tracks, multiple people having experiences, and so I think there's something to what we would call leaners.
Speaker 2:Because you know, when you're out there and I get the weather piece, but when you find, when you're finding rocks stacked up in it, like in a formation, weather's not doing that. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:It's like well and, but those are karens too, because hikers leave those as way points and turning points. I guess you're right. And so if you get to a summit you'll find what's called a rock karen and then, and then, if you go to the summit, people add to the cairn kind of deal. But people also do those for taking a wrong turn, like people that are up to no good sometime will leave these markers that other people won't notice, like rocks, and that means turn right to go, drop off your bag of contraband or pick up the satchel of money. So those are things too that people do.
Speaker 2:So when you're out here, if you're hiking or if you're looking for a Bigfoot, be prepared, right. I mean clearly that's number one. You've got to be out here in the element, especially right now, this time of season. It's unfortunate. My thoughts go out to the two family members of the two individuals that have passed At the end of the day Tobe be prepared, man. I mean carry a gun, you know. Be, carry your bear spray for me, you know, if I'm out here in the, in the city, I mean I don't, don't know, man, it might be rougher in the city than it is out in the country yeah, I don't envy that man.
Speaker 3:I'd much rather take my chances in the sticks than in some places I've been over, you know in pierce county there is um.
Speaker 2:There's an app that I used, um, it's called the citizens app and um. So I know I'm getting notifications of stuff that's going on when I'm wherever I'm at within my geotag.
Speaker 2:So like, let's say, I go to costco and they're like hey, there's a guy who just at gunpoint to a mile and a half down the street, I'm like oh my gosh, because I'm not one who is packing a gun into costco, right, you know, that's just not me well, even if you had a gun, that's still scary just to be involved with it, right?
Speaker 2:right, I don't even want to see that kind of stuff so I was like, oh, do I need to abandon my costco shopping cart to head home, to get out of harm's way? Clearly they caught the guy, they arrested him, blah, blah, blah. But take the precautions, like you said. Download Audix, not the band, not the hip-hop artist band. Do you remember that band Slam?
Speaker 3:Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da, the boys.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay, good, I'm glad when you said that, it made me go to that in my head. So, um, that's how, that's how young we are. And um, again, as as we wrap things up here from the pacific northwest, uh, tobe, uh, what do you tell these individuals out here who, uh, want to be avid Sasquatch researchers and enthusiasts?
Speaker 3:Well, they can show up at a local event that I have in Port Townsend, washington, every third Wednesday at the Anchor Saloon at 628 Water Street. We meet there from 7 to close. It's a 21-over environment. Once a month, the 15th of January, we're going to be talking about abductions. We're going to have a guy on from Zoom, from Skinwalker Ranch, and an actual abductee from Port Townsend talking about their case Not Sasquatch, we're talking of the ET kind, and then each month it changes from subject to subject, so not always just Bigfoot. However, I am kind of the Bigfoot guy there. There's other Bigfoot people that show up and that would be a good place to start networking with other like minds.
Speaker 3:The other thing you can do if you're interested in going out in the woods is, you know, see if you can go out in the woods and stand it.
Speaker 3:You know, as far as like hearing strange stuff, you don't necessarily want to be out in the woods at night hearing strange stuff right in the beginning. Just take it easy, you know what I mean. Like if you're coming in from the city and you want to get out in the woods and go into, like I don't know green water or out to a lull like we're talking, talking about you don't have to go that far, um, and then go check out, uh, some of these um museums like go to cliff's museum and see the evidence for yourself and and judge for yourself. And see the size of a sasquatch, see if you want to see one, because generally eight feet is like the average height. You know, I built a replica out in forks, washington, at sasquatch the legend museum. He's called biggie. He's eight and a half feet tall and about three and a half feet wide at the shoulders. So do you really want to see something like that in the daytime or the night?
Speaker 2:right, uh, you also do artwork. I know that you recently had. You have some of your artwork that is for sale, so make sure, if you have a chance, go to tobes facebook page.
Speaker 3:You still have that available, right I'm a chainsaw carver so I do bigfoot heads a lot of them yeah, and you were still.
Speaker 2:You did those, already sell the ones that you had I, yeah, I sell out every time I create them. I've made three today and they're already gone all right, well, well, never, never mind then, so don't go to, well you?
Speaker 3:can go check out Facebook Wood Watchers Wood Watchers on Facebook and you can look at the profile.
Speaker 2:Awesome Again, tobe. It's always fun to have you come on and talk about this stuff. It's unfortunate that it is in regards to two researchers that were enthusiasts looking for the elusive bigfoot and they lost their lives to uh, to the, to the inclement weather yeah excuse me, excuse me exposure exposure yeah that's what they died of, that's what they said right of.
Speaker 2:So if you're out here and you have information, feel free to send me a text 775-990-5151. We'd love to have you come on and share what information you might have. If you don't follow us, please do so. You can download the podcast if you're watching us. You're watching us through YouTube, twitch or instagram, uh or facebook, however that plays out for you. You can go to uh my website to download the podcast on air mariocom. Click on the podcast link to subscribe to the podcast. Uh, for my entire team. Uh, mark christopher sophia magana. Again, tobe, thank you so much for coming to hang out with us.
Speaker 3:Yeah, thank you, mario.
Speaker 2:As I always say, be sure to look up at the sky, cause you never know what you might see. Good night, he's gone.
