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Unveiling Hidden Messages: Brian Jones' Journey into Audio Psychic Phenomena
In this captivating episode, we explore the mysterious world of audio psychic communication with Brian Jones, who discusses the hidden messages that emerge from recorded sound. From reverse speech to complex insights about the animal kingdom and the potential of human voices, we delve into the intricate relationship between sound and consciousness, highlighting the tools, ethics, and innovations at play in this fascinating field.
• Brian shares his journey into audio psychic communication
• Exploration of the mechanics behind reverse speech
• Anecdotes of experimenting with audio mediums
• Insight into animal communication and spirit connections
• Ethical considerations in audio research
• Live demonstrations of audio samples throughout the episode
• A call to rethink and reevaluate our understanding of sound and consciousness
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Speaker 2:From the Pacific Northwest and the shadow of the 1962 World's Fair. Good evening, good morning, good afternoon. Wherever you are on God's green earth, I am your host, mario Magana. This is US Phenomenon. We go to the phone lines this evening to chat with someone who has been with us before. His name is Brian. Brian Jones had sent us an email and we haven't touched base with Brian in some time. Brian has been in pre. When he was on with us previously he was sharing his ability to be an audio psychic communicator. Let's welcome back to us phenomenon on the U S phenomenon Hotline is Brian Jones. Welcome back to the show, hi, mario. Thanks for having me back with you.
Speaker 3:Hey is Brian Jones? Welcome back to the show. Hi, mario, thanks for having me back with you.
Speaker 2:Hey man, it's a pleasure to have you. So since we last had you on the show, I know that a lot of listeners who may be new to the show may not know who you are or your story. So can you briefly kind of get the listening audience, the viewing audience, kind of back up to speed on what's, where you've been, who you are and where you've been?
Speaker 3:sure you bet, and and uh, I just want to say this and I think you'll appreciate it is I've been listening to art bell on saturday evenings. He's on kbi, as you probably know, right before your show, but somewhere in time archive boy, what a flashback youback from a quarter century ago. And he was a turning point in my life for finding a phenomenon. That was pretty wild and I guess it still is, and a lot of people probably don't even know about it anymore. It kind of died out, but I'd been hearing about him from my mother. She was telling me some of the guests and some of the topics and I was at that time, you know, in my early thirties, and I was thinking, boy, that sounds pretty wacky. And, uh, she kept telling me that. And then, uh, my life was a little interesting at the time and, uh, energetically since I was born.
Speaker 3:But I uh had a strange phenomenon happen on the phone. That was really powerful and I, uh, I was talking to the guy. I was on a, uh, probably a flip phone or I mean no, actually it was a landline cordless and I know it was more than just some technical glitch. I was talking to a man and out of nowhere. I was interrupted by what I recognize as the sound of my own voice and it was really strange and stirring in a super powerful way and it spooked the hell out of me. And I mean, I was the guy on the other end, couldn't hear any of this phenomenon and I said, said hey, phil, and my voice is echoing back at me backwards.
Speaker 3:And four hours later my mother you know, I talked with her and she says hey, brian, art had a guest with a topic you're going to want to know about, and this was David John Oates, the Australian that was living in. He was from Australia, he was a researcher, the founder and developer of what he called reverse speech. I know that was more than a coincidence and you know. So that was back in 1997.
Speaker 3:And the thing that got me into what I ended up calling audio psychic is simply put, as David put it and proved and showed with lots of evidence, he was a regular guest on our show back in the mid to late nineties and it was simply if you record the audio of human speech and play it backwards, you would find embedded messages in there and anybody could do it that gave it any my you know dedication at all. Sometimes somebody could find it in minutes or take longer, but that's that's how I got started on, you know, tapping into information of consciousness or what I also like. I like to put two words together spirit, consciousness. That's that started in 1997 and I put thousands and thousands of hours into it right away. I was enthralled with it big time.
Speaker 2:I know that we have a couple samples that you sent to us and I'd love to play a piece for someone right now. So I'm going to play audio clip number two because, for those who are listening to us on our flagship station, kvi, we don't have the rights to, I don't have the rights to play the Art Bell clip unless it was grabbed here, uh, via, you know, youtube, so we do have.
Speaker 2:We do have your second audio clip here and let's let me play it again. Why do you mean to really interrupt it? But here, here is audio clip number two that you have here, and and this one is interesting to me because when you listen to these pieces, now, what am I getting here? Let me listen to this again now. Is this a? Is this an animal? What? What is this audio?
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah, I'm the animal, the mad mad science audio animal. Yeah, I was pushing it pretty hard, that that right there. And uh, I see, here's what I was doing. I, I, I wasn't really thinking you'd play them, and I don't mind that you do it all, but I was, I was, I was doing this, so we'd have a reference point and I don't know you, you read, did you read what? What? I labeled that as.
Speaker 2:I.
Speaker 3:I. I went back and looked at it. Yes, just now. Are you able to make out that phrase? I'm curious because I know other people have.
Speaker 2:You know, when I heard it not wearing my headphones, I was able to, but listening to it right now is interesting to me because I am not making out the word, the phrase. That is what is written here, which is interesting me to, you know, in review to this I'm like, wow, why am I not hearing that?
Speaker 2:Because I was listening right, I wasn't looking at the word, and then I played the audio to see if I could hear what to make it out, and now that I've gone back to look at it again, I'm uh. Yeah, I just what's interesting to me when we go through these. I just wanted to give just a little piece of something for our, our, our audience, who may have not listened to you in the past, kind of get them up to speed on some of the pieces that you've worked on in the past, oh yeah, it's a really, it's a really kind of a touchy subject with a lot of people.
Speaker 3:I've noticed that that right, there is not human speech. You know that that thing right there. If you, I've noticed and I and I've backed away, I haven't really done much actively, even for myself in the last three years. I've been a little preoccupied with other events. But but the uh, but what I was going to say is there, there's a very strange thing about and I don't know how it'd be today because I really have kind of kept it to myself for the last few years, maybe five years since our last talk with it kind of faded out. I tried a couple other things I'll tell you about, but what, what? A few years into it? Oh yeah, let me finish that thought back to just telling somebody you, if you play recordings of speech, it's backward. You'll get messages. You get some really spooky reactions Inherently deep down. I don't know why that is. I think a lot of people just aren't interested in reaching through the veil. I'm kind of wired the opposite of that for my own reasons. But what you heard right there was a few years into it. I was getting really frustrated with the basic level of approaching people as a like with a forensic bent on. Uh hey, you know I can get information from human speech this way. I mean, I talked to, like I wrote, like 50 private investigators locally and only two got back to me and they did a vanishing act when I sent him some compelling evidence, never heard from him again, but, but so I started really um.
Speaker 3:Back to another guest on Art Bell show. A man named Mark Macy was playing what he called ITC instrumental trans communication, which was using audio recordings and devices. People would try all kinds of experimentation and document in audio messages from, say, spirit. You couldn't really tell where they were coming from and I was using that term ITC Instrumental Transcommunication. Back in that day, right there, instrumental transcommunication. Back in that day, right there. That, right there.
Speaker 3:That recording was from, roughly when I moved over to just manically spending hours and hours and hours trying all kinds of things to open that doorway up to get information because I really wanted it and that was just some device I can't even remember. I tried all kinds of non-technical things like an old doorbell with some vibrating apparatus just to cause a background sound that would morph into it and what I heard of that and I know other people could hear it too. It sounds a little loud over the phone here, I don't know. Sometimes headphones for me work a lot better. You were saying it was the opposite for you, but what I got out of that was and, by the way, that is dual direction. If you play it it's not edited 100% symmetrically, but you would tell that is backwards and forward. So in other words, the first part might be forward and what I hear of it. If you don't mind me saying that right now, you ready for that?
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 3:Okay, Get a life review in heaven. And, like I said, to get a life review is one direction and you play that audio backwards and then it comes out as in heaven. That's the way I hear it very clearly. I know that's a message for me and, like I said, other people have been able to audibly hear that with their ears. But the whole thing is most of the messages that I get, whether it's recording animals' voices or breathing sounds even and they carry messages too it's dual direction and I think there's a correlation there of being outside the physical, say over into the spiritual realm, Because we've probably all heard stories that pay attention to this sort of thing.
Speaker 3:You hear people that had an NDE, a near death experience, or possibly a temporary death experience, where they're outside of their body, and I can tell you, my cousin someone I've known all my life, told me that she was in a medical situation in a hospital and something went wrong with her IV and they overdosed her and basically squeezed her out of her body because her body went into some kind of medical trauma.
Speaker 3:And she remembers so crystal clear being standing in the room looking across the room at her body in the bed, and she said when she got out of that, when she was out of her body, it was a completely different spectrum of consciousness and awareness. In other words, she told me and she didn't. I didn't back then. I was like 17 at the time when she told me this and I remember her telling me this and it was put it in the memory bank. It added up to all kinds of things that you know, compelled me to want to do what I'm doing or have done, and she told me that she had this crystal clear awareness completely different than being in the body, where she could see past, present and future. So I think the reason I get so many dual direction messages most, 95% of them are that are really clear to me is because they're outside of the physical realm, restriction of being here like this, and they do kind of represent nonlinear time. That's what I think because I've seen it. It's constant.
Speaker 2:And this is like completely different than the stuff that maybe are like hidden messages, like in like, for example, in like the beatles track, when you go and you listen to a day in the life and then there's like that, there's that big, you know, and then at the end there's like some, there's something at the end, but it's if you reverse it or there's a.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of stuff in music and some of it is probably intentional for marketing purposes, just to get people talking about you right. A lot of it's naturally occurring. I mean, I look that song by queen, which is a very famous song we are the champions, correct? You know that song? Who doesn't right, sure? And that came out in what? 1978 I think, or maybe late 77. Well, if you listen to and I remember I found that I was really thrilled. In fact I posted that on one of David Oates, david John Oates forum boards back in like 1997 or right, when I first got going on it, and I remember his reaction, I was getting his attention pretty good. He said he said, brian, your reversals are so clear they scare me. And he was talking about this one, because if you play that green song backwards, the name of the title of the song and I guess it's called the chorus is the repeated main lyric of the song is we are the champions. Play that backwards and the phrase is nightmares that I heal. And I was thinking back to this young lady that I told her I just found it. And I was thinking back to this young lady that I told her I just found it and I was. She put the headphones on and I presented it, you know forward clip, like David would do, then the excerpt backwards at the original speed, slowed down, slower than slower again. I just remember her reaction is burned in my memory. She listened to that right when that reversal came up of nightmares that I heal because you know it's pretty spooky, kind of sounding, sure, but she, uh, I saw her eyebrows go up at first and like maybe the second speed and the third speed, she whipped the headphones off and threw them on the table. But uh, anyway, uh, yeah, no, that that's one. But back to the, the musical thing. It's everywhere in there.
Speaker 3:And I remember telling you the other day when we just had that little chat, it's pretty intriguing I met I never met him personally. He heard me on Clyde Lewis's show and he's a bit of a musician, kind of a recluse. He lives out in the desert in California and he he's probably 75 right now, give or take, but back in the day he was hanging out with some of those guys down in the Hollywood area, you know, doing live, you know music gigs, and he, uh, he sent me some of his home brewed music that he's been doing in the last few years. But this was like 15 years ago when I contacted him or vice versa, and I had a driving job and I was like, I said, thousands and thousands of hours. I just felt like you know, I heard the thing where Eddie Van Halen used to play his guitar nine hours a day just to keep pushing it and pushing it to get his skill level up and style and all that he did. But I, for many hours, I was listening to some of Johnny's music and I started noticing in the musical instrumental track part of it, that energy.
Speaker 3:I started getting hearing names emerging out. They're all male names and I made a big list. There was like 12 names on there and a few days later when I talked to Johnny about it, I said hey, johnny, I got a list of names I want to run by you and he told me that every name on that list were former guys that he knew that were in the music business and no doubt the heavy drugs scene and pretty wild. He told me Hollywood's an evil place. I remember him telling me that. But you know, you get into that kind of lifestyle, doing drugs and everything. You're probably dealing with a lot of dark forces. So he said that every name on the list that I came up with were guys that he knew that died, probably mostly from a drug, overdoses or things along those lines. So I'm just saying there's a lot that gets carried in energy and it's it's. It's a little bit enigmatic, you know.
Speaker 3:It might spook a lot of people, but I always was so through, you know, like I said, pushing myself so hard for the discovery angle, I was too busy to be worried or scared about anything. I wasn't careless about it. I, you know you listen to people say, yeah, you don't play with a Ouija board and you don't do all this sort of thing. But I'm thinking you know what just just being alive is dangerous. You know, you want to kind of be a little proactive.
Speaker 3:I'm different. I don't expect everybody to have my passion for this sort of thing, but it was always about accessing information and, like I said for me, I just want to say I probably never would have done this had I not been born super manic and a little bit sensitive to a lot of things that make me uneasy all around. It doesn't bother me 24-7, but boy, I can sure feel that sort of thing. So that's why I really had a special need to want to try to reach through the veil, if you want to call it that, to get information that I could feel but I couldn't put my finger on.
Speaker 2:Do you feel like in your day-to-day life you know sharing some of your past here and up to your present? Do you feel like the energy that is around you sometimes just drains you with so much going on? I mean, if you're hearing these echoes within your own head, it's almost like for those that are in the business or for those who are listening. Is it like a half second like hearing yourself in almost a little bit of a delay, listening that it's almost. Is it like a half second like hearing yourself and almost a little bit of a delay, or is it like you hearing yourself talk stacked up on each other?
Speaker 3:is when you, you know, I uh, I'm not really sure how to answer that other than you just brought me back to once again a time period when I was staying at my cousin's house when I was 17. And, and you know, a lot of things change as you, you know, go through more and more years. I've realized there's a there's a correlation almost between being human and and computers. I mean, you can get too much information that'll lock up the computer, you can get viruses, the whole bit. But back when I was 17, in 1979, I remember I was in a kind of a calm mood and those kind of stand out and I was. I was realizing that I felt like I was. I wasn't hearing my own voice in my head. It almost felt like I was listening to, uh, like male, resonant DJ voices, like three or four of them going on at the same time. I this is just one example that stuck in my mind from way back when I was walking down the street and I realized caught my attention. So I'm hearing these voices, I hear what they're saying, but the second that they're done, I cannot recall it.
Speaker 3:There's another bit of frustration about something just outside of consciousness, you know, and, um, I don't know if that answers your question or not, but I, my mind's really active. I mean, I I really have a hard time meditating and you know that was one of the things that a note I was going to say is for me. You know, there's a lot of, there's a lot of training out there, and I'm sure it's real because I know there's. There's all these signals and information all around us in a different dimension or part of the spectrum, and some people can actually meditate and train themselves to pick up on these signals quietly within themselves, because my mind's so manic and I'm really hyper still, and this is a way of me being able to override the fact that if my life depended on it, I don't know if I'm ever going to be able to quiet my mind and meditate. So this is ideal for me because it's hands-on, you can focus and you can burn off energy while you're doing it.
Speaker 2:And since you were last on, and I know that you said that you spend most of your time when you listen to the flagship station, listening to Art Bell who precedes us or is before us on our flagship station KVI. If you're a huge Art Bell fan, like our guest here, brian and myself, when I worked at Boeing back in the day, it was just nice on my drive home, on my commute home, or even at night, just to be able to listen to Art If we were working OT, to be able to listen to art if we were working ot, to be able to have that companionship and and and we, you know it is so it's such an honor to be able to uh go to be on after art, you know, as he flanks a great program to hand it off to us, uh to to have these conversations uh locally here in the, the Pacific Northwest and beyond as well, I mean. So. It's always interesting to me when we have callers and guests like yourself who have been a part of the show, to share their stories because, look, it's your story, it's your encounter, it's what you've done, and it takes a lot to share these stories with others, because there are multiple people out here who want to share their story and just don't have the capacity to share these stories with others, because there are multiple people out here who want to share their story and aren't just don't have the capacity to share, and someone like yourself who's been out here, who has done so much research and and even, you know, developing new tools for yourself.
Speaker 2:I want to kind of get into that. I want to share a picture. If you're watching us on the us phenomenon website, you can go to my website on air mariocom, just you. You can watch the stream and we'll have uh photos and stuff like that uh available on the podcast on our website. Uh, for those uh maybe listening and driving right now, um, so go to my website if you'd like to see a picture. Brian, why don't you share to us uh where you've been since you last came on and and share what you sent us as a picture that I want to? I want you to describe to our viewing and listening audience uh, what you, what you've been working on okay, yeah, I'll focus on that one thing.
Speaker 3:there's the device that you have in the picture. It's just basically a four-sided pyramid cone. There's a speaker inside there and it's very well insulated and at the top of it you'll see like a light, kind of rose reddish fabric cover. That's kind of like a speaker grill. The sound comes up out of there. And I've got a, an old cone speaker I built with nine sides on it. That was a tribute to john lennon, by the way, but uh, it's made out of wood and I've got a switch.
Speaker 3:I don't know if it showed up in the picture, it probably is. Down down below there there's an like an antique telegraph p. I use my foot on that. So what? What it is is anybody that's experimented with, like the, the EVP, the electronic voice phenomenon thing, whatever. But there was a, there was something called the EVP maker and basically it was just taking bits and pieces of speech, chopping them all up and then you play it and that's the whole thing is like the buzzing sound.
Speaker 3:Where that message came through for me is this spirit, consciousness will will kind of grab onto that and articulate what sounds like speech of a verbal message. So what I've got inside that speaker, or the pyramid is just a speaker inside a cone that aims it up through the top, shoots it out at a 90 degree angle, slightly upward. That's not critical, but that I'm just trying to give a visual of it. And so what I do is I do these sessions and I record and I'm I'm using cassette tape for a number, a couple of reasons, not that it's necessary, it's just that in all the days, if I ever want to analyze speeds, cause it can take some time and some focus, and the best concentration I ever had was walking down a trail or somewhere down the sidewalk, or even driving, for that matter, with a set of headphones on, because I've modified a full-size cassette deck that I can flick a switch back and forth in a fraction of a syllable and I don't have to look at anything. I can, I can, it helps when I'm walking and moving. So I don't know, just freeze everything up. So what I do with these recording sessions, I have a cassette deck on one side side of my room and I actually built a microphone chamber and I spent, like I said, thousands of hours doing this in years.
Speaker 3:I was, I kind of got tired of the resistance from approaching people for practical reasons with what David called the reverse speech thing. So I kind of said, okay, I don't need any other incarnates here. They seem to be spooked by this. So I did a lot of experiments into what, as I was saying, saying we called itc, deliberately trying to open the doorway up to to get some information back back and forth.
Speaker 3:Maybe I can get answers to my questions through this device. It's very cryptic, it takes a lot of energy, which I haven't had for the last few years. Last few years I've been preoccupied with other things, but I have not forgotten this and it's and it's, but it just. This may be a little amusing. I've tried, I call, I've got my own terms cause I've just you know, there's no rules on this sort of thing is I call, I call what comes up out of the uh signal tower, that I actuate with my foot Like I'll ask a question and then I'll hit that and that sound starts coming up. I'm across the room with a microphone in a hardwood chamber and this is I'll give, I'll give my trademark secret here. I'm kidding, but for a while I wouldn't because for other reasons. But and this, this is part of the formula. So you've got these chopped up sounds and I'll tell you what the what, the main essence of that's the amusing part, I think. But what I do, and for people that may know about this and are trying this, it's just funny because listening to Art Bell now, like last night, he had a show from 2002, I believe it was. You know, that was a quarter century ago, almost, well, almost, and and some of his other shows are from the late 90s and boy it's just, it's a mind blower that you know here you're listening to art and he's as alive as he was in the connection we have listening to him on the radio. You know we we weren't shaking hands with him, we weren't in the room with him physically when he was talking to us. So the whole thing's a big circle right now. But but back to the microphone chamber, because this is for people that may be interested in doing this sort of thing.
Speaker 3:This is I developed this myself and it really kind of kicked it down the road a lot faster.
Speaker 3:To make it more effective, I've got a microphone inside a wooden chamber, old, vintage small microphone, and when I, when I actuate that carrier track with my foot through that switch telegraph key. Uh, I use my hand on the open end of this wooden chamber, which is cylindrical and long, and I valve it with my hand, which also causes a chopping effect, and the combination of the chopped up phonetic syllables chopped up by the way they're backwards, forwards layered, and here's a part you might find amusing I wanted to kind of get you know, like the human voice aspect, I wanted a male and a masculine and feminine. So I went back in time and I grabbed a bit of audio of Vincent Price promoting a TV show from 1958, and then for the male aspect of it and then for the female voice, feminine voice, it was Elizabeth Montgomery back in the day when she was starring on Bewitched, but it was a 1966 interview just to go back in time, since time's an illusion anyway, right, I mean, we're here for a limited amount of time, that's right.
Speaker 3:And then the other thing I added in there that seemed to enhance it, and I still get a smile when I think about it. Enhance it, and I was, and I, and I still get a smile when I think about it. I was grabbing all kinds of samples and there was a short video on YouTube of a humpback whales doing the backstroke around the dock and the thing was just, you could just tell that thing was having a good day, just happy as anything. People were smiling and laughing looking at this, this whale swimming around a dock. So so there's, those are the three main things.
Speaker 3:And I tweaked it, eq'd it, did all that, and I've done so much to that carrier track, enhancing it. It doesn't really matter really. I mean, I've recorded. I have a part in my bedroom right here, like right next to where the signal tower is sitting in that picture. In fact, let me show you. I don't know if those squeaky sounds came through. I already know for a fact from experience if I was to start recording that by, you know, squeaking the floor and putting my weight on it like I just did, I'd be able to get messages out of that too. It's just carrying in this consciousness that morphs into pseudo speech.
Speaker 2:Our guest this evening, brian Jones. What would your technical, I guess, what would your tech do? We still call you an audio psychic. What do we call you now?
Speaker 3:I don't think I have a title. The reason I said researcher I don't think I have a title.
Speaker 2:I'm the reason I said researcher.
Speaker 3:I'm more of an experimenter or or explorer really, cause that's what I've done. It's just a lot of experimental things, kind of without being too serious minded about it, or try to pin anything down and um, but but yeah, there and uh, yeah, I kind of lost my train of thought there. But the uh, I was just going to say this, this, this applies to a lot of things, and I I'd like to, I was going to say the um, the animal kingdom. I recorded a lot of animals and they're, they're, they're, uh, you know, they're, they're not, just they're not below us, cause they can't drive a car. They're operating from a way, different level, I think. I think they're a lot more uh, linked to the spirit realm, you know. In other words, they may not have the uh, the blindfold or the, the amnesia that we have, because they some of the phrases that I've gotten out of dogs, especially when I was, when I shifted over to, uh, what I call the animal communication. Back to the audio psychic thing, I just want to say this so I'm using audio tracks, right, for the reason I mentioned. For me it's not like trying to quiet my mind, it's it's way more uh, complimentary to my mind and it helps me do it. I don't have to sit still, it's not necessary to quiet my mind, but the audio psychic is. So you're using audio tracks but there is definitely a psychic component because I've gotten information out of my electric guitar, where I'll just give you an example, because I have this audio track too. I used to play it and what it was.
Speaker 3:I was getting to know this lady over the phone. I never met her and we talked for a couple months and I and I'd done so much of this ITC call it, and where I was there was no physical body around. It wasn't the you know, it wasn't the aim. I was just really trying to tune into the messages. So I just thought this was amusing that I was talking to this lady, for I think it was up to two months over the phone and not once did I ever say hey, what do you look like? And about two months into it we had one of our conversation. I was really impressed with the fact that we would email back and forth and visit. She would put a lot of time into super meticulous communication details, right.
Speaker 3:So about two months into it we had a conversation and we hung up and then she calls me back and she was really excited because she was pretty serious minded person and, uh, I guess I am too in some ways. And uh, she was all of a sudden out of character, real happy, like a younger person, and she says hey, brian, I just realized you don't even know what I look like. And I thought to myself, yeah, I guess I don't. So she told me where I could go look at a picture of her, and I did, and so I see this lady kind of pretty leaning against a tree in a forest and I thought to myself, well, I sure have changed over the years, right. So I just felt this thing come over me, like, yeah, lighten up a little bit, but not all the way. So, uh, she was, I knew her, her name is Caitlin, right. So she, I go, I, I was uh, that kind of like, uh, like made me realize, well, I got to lighten up a little bit, sort of as much as I can.
Speaker 3:So I said, hey, let's try to get a little good energy across to Caitlin, because I wanted, I was really like I said every day, wanting to kind of keep momentum and build up communication with spirits, shall we say, or consciousness and I went into and I just had this little melody I was doing for guitar practice and I thought she might like it. So I went in this, my recording room, and I said, all right, good spirits, help me get some good energy across to Caitlin. So I just played it. It's about a 20 second clip and one part of it I stretch one of the strings. You know it gets kind of a high tone and so of course I couldn't leave that alone. After I sent it to her, she liked it, by the way and then I put it on the cassette tape and I'm I was down at golden gardens on the beach.
Speaker 3:I remember when I found this, that part where I stretched the string, I get a dual direction message out of it where it says Marianne, he loves you right, and I'm critiquing it, I'm kicking its tires, I'm thinking that sounds like Median and the he loves you is playing its dual direction. One direction says the Marianne backwards. The flip side of that is he loves you Right, and I and I I'm just saying I was feeling affection for her, so it kind of fits. But here's the thing it took me two weeks Cause I kept saying it's Mary Ann and then I realized no, it's meaning to tell me Mary Ann. So I asked, I got my nerve up and I asked Caitlin.
Speaker 3:I said, hey, does the name Mary Ann mean anything to you? And she told me that that was the name she was given at birth by her parents, but over the years she had kind of an estranged relationship. She changed her name legally many years before. She also told me that the only people that she could think of that would call her Marianne were her parents or her one brother, all three who were deceased for a number of years at that point. So I, you know I mean I grabbed that name out of somewhere and that's what I'm saying Get information that how would I know? Right, and you know, I'm not saying I know that it was her mother, father, brother or a blend of them, all you know in the oneness. Now I don't know.
Speaker 3:It's interesting when you say but I've gotten a lot of things that way that are pretty perplexing.
Speaker 2:When you say that, uh, these messages when you're, you know, just as that example where you're, yeah, Can you hear me? Okay, are you still there? I hear you, I got you. You still got me, brian, brian, hello, did we lose you, brian? I got you, hello, hello, hello. Lose you, brian. I got you, hello, hello, hello, Brian. I guess we'll try calling him. We got you, you're there. Let's see, we'll call him back here, see if we can get this thing to connect in. I'm not sure what happened there why we lost him.
Speaker 2:Hi, this is brian jones, and you've reached as we wait for brian to call us back, it's interesting to me when you listen to uh him speak in regards to his piece there, where he was talking about how he was able to disseminate that information about her and her biological name. I'm I'm curious to find out what where that comes from. Maria, yeah, I don't know what happened. I you were there, I could. I could hear you this entire time.
Speaker 3:Oh really.
Speaker 2:I couldn't hear you. So, before we lost you or you lost me, or however the case may be, I was about to ask you a question In regards to you putting that melody to send her the vibe. Where do you think that and I know were sharing it that you didn't know any of that previous information about her changing her name or anything of that nature do you feel like, how does that like, how does that make you feel, or sit with you when you're you get these hidden messages, or these messages listening to the audio? What made you even think about listening to the track backwards and forwards to hear if there was any hidden messages within something that you were sending to her? I mean, how does that? Is that something that you always do? In regards to that? I mean it's curious because I'm like wow, how did you find that little nugget in there?
Speaker 3:oh, I, yeah, look, I would, as I used to jokingly say, I used to analyze everything in dual direction that moved or didn't move. I just did it because back to you, know, and and I know I mentioned guitar and I mentioned Eddie Van Halen. Trust me, I'm not a I'm not a guitar player, but I'm just saying that concept that stuck in my mind about him was nine hours a day just pushing it and pushing it, pushing it, and obviously the guy developed a very unique skill that made him world famous. And not that I ever wanted to be famous, I really have never had that interest. I'm just saying pushing the boundaries, just keep pushing it.
Speaker 3:Sometimes that's how you do it. I mean like even mining for gold. You know you chip away with a pickaxe or whatever the heck they do. Sometimes you've got to do it for years and years, and the more you do it, the more chance you have of striking gold. So that was it.
Speaker 3:I was just every day of my life I mean I had a pizza delivery job in the evening dinner time deal and I'd already have like nine or 10 hours in of racing to the thrift store to get some more electronics to dissect. I mean when I say thousands of hours, I'm just saying it was, it was to me always. I could always in my mind. I never regret being that obsessed with putting so much time in, because even to this day, I think it's mighty important. I mean, I used to watch I don't know if you're familiar with the show that was roughly in 1961, give or back, it was on for a couple of seasons called One Step Beyond Some of the stuff that they presented on there. Some of it may have been based on documents you know entertainment is they've got to embellish a lot, but that stuff really just got to my core, like some of these things just, you know, really choked me up, like you'd see, these, these things about how the spirit world, outside of this linear time illusion we're living in, you know, this short lived thing, uh, the communication would really be very important, uh, for really deep reasons, to a lot of people. That's why I was really obsessed with it and, like I said, I've never lost interest in it.
Speaker 3:I haven't had the energy to really do it the last few years. I'm dealing with some more earthly things right now, on a daily basis, and boy is this world complicated right now. I've been around. I was born in 62 and it's always been complicated, but there's a lot of information coming out right now that I guess I'm, I probably I don't know maybe maybe some of the stuff I've done helping me cope with it, but it's, it's hard to decipher a lot right now, so I haven't had the energy to do it much recently, but I uh anyway, and I want to say the thing that you could not play just tell people and see were you. Were you able to hear the message as I had it labeled? Can we talk about it? I mean, yeah, we can. Okay. Yeah, were you able to hear that message?
Speaker 2:because I've been told that one, just super clear let me go back and pull up those two pieces real quick. When you were talking about that tv show and some of these things, for those who may you know a lot of our listeners, who were, you know, born after the the this, now, this was a radio show, right, is that? Is that correct television.
Speaker 3:It was a one step beyond. Yeah, it was, and and I mean I never saw it till it was, you know, 20 years into reruns.
Speaker 2:So it's still out there yeah, oh, so this went against. Uh, the was produced by the same people that produced the Twilight Zone.
Speaker 3:Interesting, yeah, and it was about the same time era too, yeah, late 50s, early 60s.
Speaker 2:Let me go back and let me pull up my emails real quick and real quick. Stand by.
Speaker 3:This is the one that you said you couldn't play because of copyright. It was a segment of Art Bell's show.
Speaker 2:Oh yes.
Speaker 3:Richard Hoagland.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did listen to that. I did hear the message in that one and I was like oh yeah, you definitely can hear.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'd like to say just to kind of validate that this is a valid way of getting information in its own unique way. That was Richard Hoagland, on with Art Bell in 1998, I think it was and he's talking about. They had a guy on there that was kind of trashing him on the internet and Richard's calling him on. He says you know the things you have called me on the internet and he's talking about these radio shows. This guy had a little limelight there for a short period of time.
Speaker 3:I never took him too seriously, but I'm not even going to mention his name. But Richard's calling him out for trashing him on the internet. And right, when he says, for instance, some material that was sent to me, that phrase right there, material that was sent to me and going in with a scalpel, it was material that was sent to me and going in with a scalpel, it was material that was sent to me. Like cutting off the e at the end of me, right, you flip that backwards and I've been told this one's super clear is this message is a lawyer's right now that audio.
Speaker 2:Where did you get that audio for? Was that youtube? Or where did you get that from? Was that from?
Speaker 3:no, I actually I actually recorded. I used to record the am radio onto cassette tape, got it and I was look, I've actually got a reversal on Art Bell from 1998. I've got thousands of samples, but back to this one here because I actually got direct feedback. Are you familiar with who Richard Hoagland is? I don't even know if he's still alive. He was an absolute regular guest, very intelligent guy. He was a science advisor to Walter Cronkite.
Speaker 2:I do remember Richard C Hoagland, but I don't know if he's still alive. That's a great question.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's funny that quarter century can get away from you. Looking back in time it's a whole new perspective for me. But I actually had contact back and forth through email with Richard's Enterprise Mission webmaster, a guy named Mike Barra, and I was so lit up when I played that for a few friends. I'm like man, that one's clear. And this is the point I want to make about pinpoint information and how this backward speech can work like like a folding knife. You know the backwards and forwards it makes a full sentence.
Speaker 3:So out of material that was sent to me I'll just keep the get those front and back extras on there. The phrase he's talking about somebody sending him information exposing this other guy for what he's doing, you know, trashing him on the internet, and so the the backwards phrase was this message is a lawyer's and to me, like I said, I think you heard it too. So I got Mike Barrett to talk to Richard about it and he said that the material that was sent to him was sent to him by Peter Gersten. At the time his claim to fame, as well as being an attorney, was was he was the UFO attorney, I forget for which outfit, but if you think about it. Material that was sent to me was actually sent to him by an attorney, and the flip side of material that was sent to me was this message as a lawyer. So I'm just saying that was a pretty compelling thing to show you that there's additional information right there.
Speaker 2:That's like bullseye in fact, and when you listen to that, because it was just regular speech between art and richard c hoagland, uh, it's interesting that the underlying tone of where you were able to get that information out of that that piece, it's it's within the own, within its own. I think what's interesting to me about this whole, this whole piece, is that when you listen to that piece, which we can't play on the radio, um, is that you it's normal conversation for those to paint the picture, as you're saying that it's just a regular conversation between richard hoagland and art, and then you were saying that it's just a regular conversation between Richard Hoagland and Art, and then you were able to disseminate through that conversation, going backwards and forwards, that information. Now, how long does, typically, does it take you most of the time? I mean you're like going back and forth, like going through this audio right to see if you're hearing anything, and I can't even imagine how much time is spent going through that you know to get that piece.
Speaker 2:Now, in your past research, have you ever gone down the realms of some of these other people? You're like I know you were talking about earlier about how you've talked to private investigators or investigators and things of that nature? Have you ever taken audio from like you know, really you know, I don't even know. Let's, we'll just, for example, ted Bundy. Have you ever taken audio from Ted and like disseminated and gone through some of his stuff before to maybe help out again?
Speaker 3:I don't think I've ever analyzed any speech recordings of ted bundy, but I did that. I did that with john wayne gacy. We're talking about serial killers with a right, pretty pretty devilish, demonic, uh pretty creepy stuff, sure. But do you remember? Do you remember who john wayne gacy was?
Speaker 2:yeah, I do. He was a monster of all monsters.
Speaker 3:He had some. Really, I mean he, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm not an educated psychologist or anything like that, I just, you know, go for the simple communication, but but uh, some of his reversals were really bizarre. He was taught calling himself Godzilla backwards. I mean, you know, uh, I'm just, yeah, I I'm not sure. Remind me what your question was about that. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Not Ted Bundy, but I did. I did do that to try to hear the inner dialogue of some pretty diabolical serial killers and and yeah, there's messages in there, for sure, but, like I said, in fact, god, I can't even remember what it was. Yeah, charles Manson, things like that wasn't my favorite thing, you know. But but yeah, of course you can get messages out of everything. And before I forget, I want to say this because this is something I tried to do at the tail end of my career, of reaching out to people to try to do something practical. Sure, I and I never a few, you know, just in the last few years, I think, uh, I said I kind of let this die out for a while, but I would always was thinking I can get messages out of squeaky door hinges and things like that.
Speaker 3:The consciousness is carried in there and I thought how perfect would it be to analyze the incoherent sounds of somebody that had a severe stroke, that could not articulate speech, could not use. Their hands are really bad, you know. They're frustrated, they're trapped in a body and I thought I wonder how sharp their mind is. And they can't write with their hand, they can't speak with with their mouth their tongue. Whatever you know, they can't get the message across. I thought how powerful it would be if you could, because some people come back from being that debilitated, especially with a speech and everything, and even paralysis, where it takes time, but their brain reconfigures itself, kind of like. You know what do they call that? The? Uh, what's that term for? Uh, the hard drive where you reformat yeah.
Speaker 3:Something like that. But no, there's another one defragment, right, oh, defragment, yeah, so. So I. But I had some ethics about this sort of thing. Not always, I mean, I was like I didn't really get you know, think of other people's sensitivities and feelings about it. But when it came to the stroke thing I thought how devastating that is for the person and their family or caregivers or whatever. It's a pretty, pretty devastating thing. So I never just went and grabbed that stuff. I went out of my way to join Facebook pages for like support groups for stroke patients and survivors and things and I said does anybody have any interest in what I'm presenting here or proposing? I said and if not, where could I get ethically obtain some audio like I'm telling you very impaired speech? And I struck out for a long time, left it alone, went back a couple years later and I actually found a Facebook group and put that proposal out there.
Speaker 3:And somebody got back to me, guy in his 70s who had a stroke himself. He was pretty, pretty well recovered, probably had some residuals. I never really picked his brain about that too much, but we spoke on the phone and he and he says, sure, I'll help you out. He had a like a uh episodes on YouTube of a chat of like the one that he, that he showed me that he said here's one for you and he pointed to a certain man that had what they call aphasia, which I I guess is a certain condition. I couldn't tell you the clinical definition of it Bruce Willis, I think, has that now and um, so this man's name was Ralph and, uh, he pointed to this guy and I'll just say it because this was public thing Uh, it was another guy that did some television, acting, I think, and uh, he had a stroke and it took away his you know life as he knew it. He could speak, but he and you could hear what he was saying, but he, he had this aphasia thing where it was. He could not form senses, sentences correctly, like I probably can't right now, but the thing is uh.
Speaker 3:So Ralph sent me one and I was eager to hear it. It was a YouTube video and I just was listening to it while I was driving with the headphones on and I'm thinking, oh great, here he's pointing to Carl McIntyre, the one of the five people in this group, and when this guy's talking there's a static on the audio recording. And I'm still frustrated from a lot of things. Over the years I was like, yeah, great, you know the audio's impaired, so I come home with that, put it on the PC where I can use my audio editing, slow it down, and headphones. You know, we've got a graph. I can kind of dissect it even more. I call it the audio microscope. And I realized that that static is only happening when Carl's talking. Okay, and within seconds I realized it's got verbal information within it and the one phrase that I got right away, within minutes, was a phrase as Carl's talking over the top of his voice. Here's the staticky interference and the phrase I get is Carl was tough rider and I think that was a part of himself, cause he's talking.
Speaker 3:You know he's talking. They're talking about how it affected his life, having a stroke and all that. It was tough for him. He was writing it out, as you know. But the whole thing is here's the static from an altered brain putting out these strange signals which are carrying information, and so at that point I point, I was really excited. I said, wow, this guy's going to want to know about this.
Speaker 3:So I got a hold of Ralph, I presented it, as you know, clipped it out, slowed it down, presented it to him and I said, ralph, check this out. I said this is what that static is. Listen to this. He said he could hear the message, but he didn't know what it meant and I said, well, yeah, I said listen, I got a lot to say about this. I said why don't you have me on one of your episodes and we'll talk about it? And I never heard from the guy again and that I'm just saying that's why that was kind of like the final end of really trying to reach out to others, because I can only go so far, as far as doing anything really phenomenal to help people or breakthrough or scientific discovery, whatever it is. So that was kind of like the tail end of me reaching out to people, and that was about five years ago, I think. But I just wanted to say that there's a lot of possibilities, you know, like with the animals and all that sort of thing or the signal tower.
Speaker 2:Sure I mean, and when you think about it there are, you know, like with the animals and all that sort of thing, or the signal tower, sure I mean, and when you think about it there are, you know the communication between you know animals, different uh, of different species and whatnot, whales having some type of dialogue, uh, dialect of language, uh with their communication?
Speaker 2:um, I mean, you can go in so many different directions with this, I mean oh yeah with the uh real quick, with the energy that you're talking about, uh, getting um, you know phrases and words and things from. You know the ambience of the air of of a room, um is quite interesting to me, but that that must take time, brian, oh yeah, hey, listen, I, I know I, that's.
Speaker 3:That's the other thing. Yeah, I know I was extremely obsessed and and, uh, I, I was so enthralled, I mean, even when I got out of seattle in 2015 and I moved to this little town. I kept it going. I really had to back off about I don know three or four years ago, for the world really kind of hit the lightning round about that time for me in my perspective. But I, yeah, I was kind of I was kind of doing a lot of R and D on credit cards. So, yeah, I'm kind of catching up on, I'm taking care of the more earthly things. Right now, I've got a, I've got a job. I don't I don't have the time and energy. It was extremely, uh, time and energy demanding and but I, I was really pushing. I want to say that, uh, yeah, I'll say about one thing that was intriguing about animals, cause it's kind of standalone.
Speaker 3:There's a lady in England that I got to know through form boards or whatever. She's got a real talent with this ITC thing. I, you know, in some ways, I, you know, I can see why she, she was frustrated because she met a lot of resistance too. She came up with some pretty compelling things. But she really loves animals and she has wild foxes that come in her yard and she feeds them and she sent me recordings of foxes and I. They have a really shrill, super high pitched voice. I found out by slowing that stuff way, way down. I was getting phrases like full sentences out of these foxes and I ran them by Allison and she says yeah, that totally makes sense. They were talking about the rain and thanking her for taking, you know, helping her. I don't even know where those audios are, but I'm just saying it's. It's pretty amazing. What can be can be perceived this way. You know, like I said for me.
Speaker 2:But uh, I mean, and what's interesting to me is the research that you've done um with within. You know what you did when you first came on the show, you know, years ago. I can say that now, wow, that's crazy to think that. And then what you've done up to now and, and you know, kind of like revamping yourself, kind of continuing your research with this, with the, with new tool sets and things that, uh, you've shared with us tonight, uh, you know, a picture is here on the stream.
Speaker 2:If you're interested in watching, you, go to my website on airmariocom and you can watch the YouTube show right there. Just click on it and you can see the picture. We'll have it also posted so that you can see it in the podcast as well. If you're not a pop set, yeah, I can't even speak. If you're not a podcast subscriber, all you have to do is go to your favorite podcasting platform, search US Phenomenon with Mario Magana, or go to my website onairmariocom and click on the podcast button, and then you can subscribe that way as well. Before we get out of here, brian, if someone was interested in working with you, where would you tell them to go? Would you want them to contact us? Would you want them to directly reach out to you? What would you say to someone out there who is very curious and intrigued or interested in contacting you?
Speaker 3:Well, I'd give out my email address right here and, like I said, said if they prefer to contact you, since you kind of made that offer, yeah, anyway, yeah, if somebody's serious-minded uh had you know, I mean, like I said, I'm not looking to do this for kicks or or anything like that, but but, uh, I certainly have learned a lot and I've got a lot of pointers and I, if somebody really had a passion for something, I'd certainly give them some pointers from my, from my experience. But my, if you don't mind, I'll give you my, my email address, my main email address, which is inventor I N V E N T O R. Two zero one, two at yahoocom. I've had that one forever, way before 2012, which came and went. But, uh, and and if I'd like to ask you this were you able to hear the that really kind of squeaky, growly, uh sound, that, the phrase that I, that I had labeled as the hours with you? We are glad were you able to make that out?
Speaker 2:I didn't. Let's play it real quick. Let's play it. I didn't. Yes, I mean, that is very that is like clear as day when you listen to that I thought so too.
Speaker 3:But hey, I just want to say this there are things to me that are clear as anything, unmistakable and other people cannot hear them. Just like the marian, some people cannot phonetically hear that. In fact, a lot of that stuff they can't. That's why the Richard Hoagland one I got kind of a consensus that people were like whoa, that is really clear. But I can't tell, because there is a psychic component. You know, yes, audio, that's why I say audio psychic. But that one right there, I just want to say it is clear 's very it's very, it's 14 hours back and you know that was about 2002.
Speaker 3:Also somewhere right after my dad had passed on and I had moved into his house with my brother and I was. I remember that day I found a piece of uh, copper thin sheet of of flashing out from the backyard and I spent hours and hours I sanded it, I cleaned it, made it shiny and I made a chamber like a pod an acoustic pod out of it, made this platform. I still have this thing. It's inside. Another thing.
Speaker 3:I spent two months building now but that very day and while I was doing it I was like all right spirit, like really friendly reach, and I go. I know you guys want me to keep doing this, cause you want to get you know, you want to be able to communicate and for people to hear you and things like that. And it was for, I thought, of a positive purpose. So 14 hours into it I did that recording and what that is right there, because I know I'm part of the circuit. You know that's kind of how it goes, but that right there was me. I wetted the tip of my finger and I had set the lead crystal stemware wine glass on top of this acoustic chamber.
Speaker 2:And I just was running my finger around the rim of the glass and it morphed into that Our guest this evening, brian Jones hanging out with us. Oh, hey, listen, are you?
Speaker 3:there.
Speaker 2:Yes, I can hear you. I don't hear you again.
Speaker 3:And here's another thing when just even discussing this can bring up this very strange energy that can interfere with electronics, eh, Well, I guess that might be the case. I didn't think it would happen again today. I don't know if you can hear me or not, but I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can hear you, Brian. I'm not sure how we lost you know what.
Speaker 3:Maybe I better hang up again and you can give me a call back, or if we're close enough to the end. Mario, I'll just say thank you for having me on.
Speaker 2:Because I know we're getting to the top of the hour. We are close to the end. I'm going to hang up and she can call me back okay, let's call him right back so we can wrap this thing up from the Pacific Northwest. Quite interesting to see that us getting some type of spirit or some type of interference in regards to the connectivity between us and Brian. So, Brian, welcome back to the show. Are you there?
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I'm here, can you hear me now?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, it's interesting how we're as we're getting close. I was just. You know you were sharing this stuff about the wine glass. We had all of that stuff down. I wanted to play the audio one more time before we wrap things up from the Pacific Northwest. Just to kind of, is that audio three? Here we go, let's play this one. Play it one more time.
Speaker 3:Oh, I have a feeling. A feeling, oh you're there.
Speaker 2:Okay, good, so as we get close to wrapping things up, if you're interested in working with brian or you want to contact him, you can email brian or you can contact us and we can get you in communication with him. Uh, give your email out one more time as we wrap things up sure it's uh inventor 2012 at yahoocom.
Speaker 3:And and if I could just say one last thing real quick, because people might find find this intriguing about the interference with electronics and things- yeah.
Speaker 3:It's not spooky. I've never had anything. I mean, look, this isn't what brought up like dark forces around. They're all around us all the time. Some of them are pretty active, so it's never been a problem.
Speaker 3:But I've had some strange phenomenons happen and I'll just tell you one of them. It's happened twice or three times since I've been in this little town here, which is I have a bunch of all my digital clocks like that that you cannot unplug for half a second running exactly two minutes behind time, and I I set my clocks that way using my phone uh, like you wouldn't believe meticulously. So somebody's trying to get my attention sometimes. It hasn't happened for a while because I let this stuff kind of subside. So I just wanted to say that they affect electronics, I think trying to get your attention. And if you think about that phrase right there, that was a 14 hour day Me talking saying I want to help bring a way of bridging this communication and the fact is, like the hours with you, we are glad. You know it's like some, you know the cheering section from the other side, I think, letting you know that they appreciate it our guest this evening.
Speaker 2:Uh, brian, thank you so much for hanging out with us as we wrap things up oh yeah, from real pleasure, thank you uh, it's always a pleasure someone who is a fellow uh of Art Bell AB.
Speaker 2:As we wrap things up from the Pacific Northwest, if you'd like to be in contact with Brian, you can send him an email. We'll have his information posted in the podcast. Go to my website onairmariocom. Click on the podcast button to subscribe or send me a text 775-990-5151. As we wrap things up from the Pacific Northwest, I'd like to thank our guest Brian again. From my entire team Mark Christopher, sophia Magana and myself, mario Magana. Be sure to look up at the sky because you never know what you might see. Good night.
