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Unraveling Conspiracy Theories: The Impact of 'Behold a Pale Horse'
Exploring the life of William Cooper, we unpack the influence of his work, "Behold the Pale Horse," and its profound impact on conspiracy culture. This episode contemplates the balance of skepticism and trust in governmental institutions, offering insights into how misinformation spreads and affects public perception.
• Discussion on William Cooper's background and influence
• Examination of key claims made in "Behold the Pale Horse"
• Analysis of the 9/11 attacks' effect on conspiracy narratives
• Exploration of misinformation and its dangers
• Reflections on Cooper's legacy and its relevance today
• Encouragement to think critically about the information consumed
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Speaker 2:From the Pacific Northwest in the shadow of the 1962 world's fair, the space needle. Good evening, good morning, good afternoon. Wherever you are on god's green earth, I am your host, mario magana. This is us phenomenon. Tonight we uncover something that has been on my plate for such a long, long time now, as we talk about conspiracies and I know right now the conspiracies are just all over the place you got the good conspiracies, you got the bad, some that are like extremely outrageous. I mean, let's be honest, there's a ton of stuff Like for myself. If you're on the edge of your seat and you're a big conspiracy theorist, this episode's definitely for you. If you're watching us on onairmariocom, thank you for watching us. If you're a part of one of our affiliate radio stations KOSW, kapy or our flagship station KVI thank you for hanging out with us. You can always text me anytime, 24-7-775-990-5151.
Speaker 2:Tonight we're going to talk about one of the biggest I would call it the Bible of conspiracies. Now hang with me on this one, because this goes back to 1991. This guy wrote this book. It's called Behold the Pale Horse. Now William Cooper has. We're going to dive into this, we're going to let you know who William Cooper is. Kind of go over some of the conspiracies about William Cooper that he wrote. He used to host a radio show as well. Let's kind of get into some of all that stuff. But I know that there's so much to cover. But for someone like myself who now has been hosting this show for quite some time, I mean I know we've tongue-in-cheek talked about William Cooper but never have done a deep dive about William Cooper. Yes, we've had Mark Jacobson on, who wrote a book about William Cooper, pale Horse Writer. There's been tons of hip-hop artists that have talked about William Cooper in their songs. Let's get into a little bit about who William Cooper is in this.
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Speaker 2:So everyone's like talks about these uh different uh conspiracies and this one is huge to me. So we know uh I I briefly talked about the book, uh behold the pale horse, but here's a little bit about uh william cooper. He was a mayor, he was basically he was born in 19. Uh, he was born in 1943. He served the us uh navy and he claimed that he had naval, had worked in naval intelligence. Cooper was well known for his book, uh behold the pale horse, which was published in 1991, and we're going to go over some of those uh details about the book from global conspiracies, government cover-ups, secret societies and the extraterrestrial involvement. So hang on to your seats. If you're driving home, this is definitely the show for you. Some of this we're gonna, some of it may be debunked and we'll kind of get into that.
Speaker 2:But uh, the history for me of like how this came to be was, you know, back in like 97, 98, you know back in like 97, 98,. You know, driving home from Boeing one night and I came across the show of all shows yeah, it was the show of all shows and next thing, you know, I just was hooked. They were talking about aliens, arts, majestic voice just carrying you through the evening and the next thing, you know, I was already home, but I was sitting in the car just continuing to listen to the segment, just captivated by that, and I hope that we continue to do that here, and that's what sparked me to continue to be a fan of that type of stuff, but always keep an open mind about things, right To be a forward thinker, always ask questions, and then today, in today's society, I think that that still holds some true strong values with that, um. So let's continue getting on to a little bit. Here's some key, uh, key claims to behold the pale horse. Now we know that william cooper, cooper, wrote this book. He also hosted a radio show. But let's discuss some of those key claims in behold the pale horse.
Speaker 2:What are the most notable conspiracies cooper wrote about? You know, cooper wrote this book from cover. There's a wide range of conspiracies in this book. If you haven't had the chance, it's available. You can always check it out, uh, online. It is available, um to read. You can read the book. I'm, uh, if you're watching us here, it is there you go, um. You know, since I don't have a producer, I do it all myself. So, uh, uh, there it is. If you're watching us, a William Cooper book can be found on Amazon.
Speaker 2:But, um, some of the his, uh, some of this, uh, his, his claims in the book. What he wrote about was this the existence of a secret world, uh, you know, a secret society, a secret world government, a new world order these were things that were talked about in the book. You know. I could tell you that I remember claims to him saying that you know, the government is after us and essentially why. He explained what you know the interstates were built for the post offices. If you have a chance to read this book, you will be blown away by this. He also talks about the cover-up of the ufos, the, the, the extraterrestrial life, the claim that the hiv aids virus was man-made disease. Obviously, we know that we'll continue to talk about this, but this was in the book. Uh, I'm not. You know these are things that he wrote about in his book. And allegations about the Illuminati, the secret society and manipulating global events. You know these are things that were talked about in this book.
Speaker 2:Now, someone who read this book in 2000, just before 9-11, oh, let me tell you, I was shook. 11, oh, let me tell you I was shook. You, you read this book and he there are claims that touch and go about that william cooper was writing, uh, in his book about something that was this event was going to happen in the early 2000s. Now, mind you, this book came out in 1991. You know so there was a long time coming. So did he predict it? Was he just throwing darts out there? I mean, you have to take your own stance on the book, but I will tell you it has made me think after all these years, even having put that book away and not really delving into that book in any recent form, I will say this it didn't come back to me until, like, I started to hear things during the pandemic that reminded me of the book, and we'll get into that a little bit later in the program, in the show, when we'll talk about and we'll discuss those things.
Speaker 2:I just, he made you think he was not a fan. I mean, he was on an island by his own. He wasn't a huge Art Bell fan. He was not an Alex Jones fan. You know, I know Alex Jones used to listen to him. He would call into his show. I believe the show was called One Hour in Time or something like that. I forget the name of the show that he had, but he did host a radio show. I forget the name of the show that he had, but he did host a radio show and I know, I believe, that there are recordings of Alex Jones calling the show back in the day and someone probably look at Alex, probably looking up to him.
Speaker 2:You know, and obviously we all know, that Alex Jones does his own thing now, but I would say that he thing now. But I would say that he william cooper was someone who was on an island by himself, lived out in the, you know out by himself. He even predicted his own death. So I'm not saying he was he was able to to predict these things or have anything of that nature. The word is escaping me at this moment, but when we talk about these types of things, we're talking about being free thinkers, not being sheep, being lion. That was his statement. These were things that he would talk about in his show, in the book to be a free thinker.
Speaker 2:So the evidence that you know, analyzing and going over this data, I mean as someone would, how credible was he with these allegations, with his critical analysis. Was he just throwing smoke and throwing stuff in the air to see if it would stick? I mean, some of his claims were lack of concrete evidence and widely regarded as conspiracy theories. The New World Order while secret societies, elite groups, have existed, there's no circumstantial evidence of global conspiracies controlling the world events. Or are we in a time where we can now look at these and maybe make a different determination? Was there a UFO cover-up? While the documents, while there's tons of documents what documents does the government have with the UFOs and the claims of extraterrestrial involvement and remaining, you know, speculative? You know the claims of the HIV AIDS scientific community have thoroughly debunked this idea that HIV was a man-made disease. Okay, so we know that when you get into the Illuminati discussion, the idea of the powerful and hidden organization's controllable global events more myth than reality be a free critical thinker. That doesn't cost us anything. I mean, with all the information that's out there, this stuff would have run rampant if this was like a new release.
Speaker 2:The book itself has had me on the edge for years. But being able to like put aside and you know my differences of, okay, what's real, what's reality, what's circumstantial? What's the evidence? What's reality, what's circumstantial? What's the evidence? What's true, what's not true? If you want to send us a text, you can 775-990-5151. I answer each and every one of those texts. They come straight directly to me. If you're not a subscriber to the podcast, please subscribe and like our podcast.
Speaker 2:We're trying to continue to grow. We're going to be doing some more. We're going to be out in the street a little bit more, doing more events in the public. We want to be in the community, we want to spark engagement, we want to stimulate the economy. So we look forward to doing some of that. But let's get back into this William Cooper thing, because it's so much fun to talk about something that was for me reading this book, being a young 20-something-year-old.
Speaker 2:Then 9-11 hits and I'm like, oh my gosh. I mean, where were you during 9-11? Do you remember that day? Oh, I was terrified, straight terrified. I know the conspiracies that are out there about 9-11. You know we've had tammy michaels on to talk about 9-11 who, uh, does a show on. She has a home improvement show on 97.7 and 1000. Back in Seattle.
Speaker 2:Tammy was, you know, had graced, had brought to us on US Phenomenon her stories. She was at the Millennium Hotel that day. Her video has been used in Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's trial. She's been on the stand there. She has an incredible story that when 9-11 comes back we'll have to have her come back on, but that day was stamped in my memory forever. I'm sure for you as well.
Speaker 2:Where was the president? What was really going on in the government? Was it really run by Dick Cheney or was the president really making moves? It was such an incredible time the advancements we had with technology, but still limited technology for the president, who was airborne in an air, you know, in air force one, having to go to these different sites and bunkers and things of that nature wild times that we were living in then. And and that day has changed our history forever, forever. It's just incredible, incredible.
Speaker 2:I mean, I remember being so young I was doing a Monday night evening radio show and told the program director that I was going to break format and do newscast. But what was interesting that night was driving into the radio station and then getting there and being close to an air flight path and not hearing any airplanes. It was eerie and quiet. It was wild to me, I was terrified. I mean, you know, you read this book and being that young and still you know very much, learning who I was as a broadcaster or maybe as an individual as well, learning who I was and how that really affected me. I mean, so many people's lives were changed that day. You know people lost families. You know the police and firefighters, you know that went to respond to that tragic event, not knowing if they were ever going to come back.
Speaker 2:There are some great documentaries out there and I believe that I always watch that one documentary with the two French documentary documentarians who put together a documentary about a firefighter, a greenhorn or a newbie or whatever they call them, and their documentary eventually turns into the documentary of 9-11. Documentary eventually turns into the documentary of 9-11. What a fantastic, a fantastic documentary, uh, just really, of of the events that happened that day. Um, but as we continue to talk about william cooper and the things that william cooper did and I know that, I mean I know that he really talked down to a lot of people in regards to who he really liked and who he disliked um, you know from from the art bell pieces to you know, you know being bothered by, uh, you know from different people calling in, but he made it known who he liked and what he thought of these individuals and what they really were. But as we continue to talk about, uh the book itself.
Speaker 2:You know, behold the pale horse. If you haven't read it and you're like I am a conspiracy theorist and this would be a book that you should read, I'm not, I'm not. You know you can get it on amazon or whatever and do your thing. But getting back to some of the things that he he wrote about was Cooper wrote that he had a significant impact, particularly within the UFO and militia circles. I mean, this was influential. It often cited a key text in the militia movement and has influenced other conspiracy theories, including the involvement that involved the Q, also known as QAnon.
Speaker 2:This book's popularity has contributed to a spread of misinformation and it has, I believe, an erosion to the public's trust in governments, in governments' institutions. And when you talk about that, I mean here's what I'll say. I wasn't. We're talking.
Speaker 2:Years have gone by. You know, lived my life started. The idea of doing a radio show. Us Phenomenon was coming to be a thing just before the pandemic. I was doing something completely different. The pandemic hit, you started to see this movement. The movement had metastasized. You know, if you're a QAnon fan or not, the Q came to become very big during the 2000s, the 2020.
Speaker 2:And that's when it sparked in my head when I started to see headlines of the QAnon. I was like wait, what the hell is going on? Who are these guys? But some of the stuff started to click. And when I say that it was things that were a part of something, I was like where is this information coming from? And I had to go sit for a second and really do a deep dive and really go back and say where the hell did? I remember hearing this from. This isn't the first time and it took a few minutes, maybe a few days, let's be honest. It took me some time, but when I figured I was like, oh my, it was like it was coming from the book Behold the Pale Horse. Right or wrong, everyone has the freedom to express themselves. Right. But it was interesting to see how much of that they were using.
Speaker 2:You know clips, sheep versus lion, being a free thinker, being a constitutional, you know being prideful of the government and just questioning prideful of the government and are just questioning. But I still question some of the things that were going on during that time, because William Cooper said the government was after you. The government was after you. Do you think that's true now, or do you think that the government's here to save us, as I'm always reminded that the government is here to work for you? That's how I look at it. It's like you are, you work for us. We've elected you, right, we've elected you.
Speaker 2:So in those pieces, I think that William Cooper was someone that questioned everything, the government, things that was going on, democracy versus a republic. I mean he made all these things known. If it wasn't for you know, you know his latest, you know things that he would discuss on his radio broadcast. William Cooper was someone who definitely was on his own, not someone who was spending time with groups of people. He's kind of his own thing. I mean he would do public speaking events and things of that nature, but he was on his own. Even when he died, I mean Cooper, he was shot by the sheriff. He was known as someone who would publicly talk about certain things. He would promote this book, his theories on his radio broadcast and his public appearances. He became increasingly involved in a militia movement, as known as for his anti-government relic.
Speaker 2:Now, that, to me, states that, like I said earlier, william cooper was not someone who trusted the government. He was like you don't get to have the keys to the car. No, that's not happening. He's like questioning everything in the book. I mean everything in this book states like why the interstate highways were built, what he thought could be of use for the post offices. And it's crazy because he talks about you know that you could possibly have to report to your local post office and then taken to an internment camp. This is in the book. I'm not making this up. This is in that book that freaked me out but that continues to share or to explain or say this dude was like nah, man, don't trust your government, you just can't. You know, he talks about the jfk assassination. He talks about this stuff. He thought it was a cover-up with the cia and things of that nature. That's all in the book.
Speaker 2:Someone like myself who would say, ah, I was terrified I mean there was full out pages in the first when I bought the book. The book has been modified, the book has been changed. There are some things that are not in the book. That to me, him being so paranoid, being so worried about what was going on with the government, with local government, you know, having this anti-government movement, I don't know. I would say that if William Cooper was alive today, he would be asking a lot of questions. He would be sounding off alarms. That is my belief. I believe that he was that type of individual to say what is going on, Don't buy what they are selling. That's what I get out of the book.
Speaker 2:That's what I would say that William Cooper would say he would be talking about these things in the book, about why the government did these things, why they were covered up, what was going on? Why did they do this? Why was the JFK files covered up? If that's something that you're into as a conspiracy theorist, fantastic content, right, it's fantastic. If you're a UFO enthusiast, it's in there. He talks about that. Now, if you talk about a new world order, he talks about that too.
Speaker 2:Does that scare you? Because it scared me, not so much now as a grown adult, but being young, impressionable, reading this book. Oh, I was terrified. I was like, oh my gosh, the post office could be like you would have to report to the post office and then say you're going to this encampment. I was like whoa. I was blown away, like there's no way that that could this possibly be, and how the families are all tied together the rockefellers, the clintons and things of that nature all talked about in this book. Yes, some of this stuff was debunked.
Speaker 2:Is william cooper probably one of those out there that was? I don't want to say I, I, I don't know, I don't know, but I will say this good or bad about william cooper? Think that's what I will say. He made you think. And going back to all these different hosts, or these different guests that come on my show and different shows around the world, and for those who are consuming these types of shows and watching it now on a platform, a platform of a social media platform and getting 20 seconds of it, getting excerpts that are, you know, clipped down to seconds, full stories. In 20 seconds, you have the full well, you have the narrative of what they are trying to promote or share.
Speaker 2:It's just one of those things that I would say changes things, because you're now consuming it on so many different levels AI, misinformation, what's true, what's not true? I know there's a generation of individuals that don't watch TV. Everything is streamed for them or they're looking via their, their social media apps. Hey, I think I'm with it. Evolution and change is a constant, but what's what doesn't change is how we consume this, but making sure we continue to be a free thinker and remind ourselves. Maybe I should look into that a little bit further before I just make that piece of information gospel and say, oh yeah, that's true, oh yeah, that's right, because it could not. It could be, but it could also not be true, and I think, in a day and age that we live in, where social media posts are like out there, just, we're doom scrolling, right as adults, kids. Well, we tell our kids not to do scroll, but we're still doing it, right, we're doom scrolling, we're looking through all, we're consuming content on levels that are unbelievably grotesque. This is the new drug that people are getting that euphoric high. You don't even need to smoke cigarettes anymore. You got it right here on in the palm of your hand. You know it was. It was interesting.
Speaker 2:I was listening to a podcast where um, an artist, was talking about why he doesn't have Apple products. You know, for those who believe in Apple, who believe in Apple but who believe in the Bible and believe in the story of Adam and Eve, where they talk about the bite of the apple, where Adam took the bite of the apple, if you look at the back of the apple has a bit a bite out of it and that to him, he felt that that was not something that he wanted. He carries an old school phone, and good for him. But as we continue to go through these different you know, having these powerful phones in our hands if it's an Android or whatever you use, if it's Apple or Android, google, whatever Whatever your platform is you're consuming the news on a different level. Now it's instantaneous. You're getting updates pushed to your notification so you get these types of updates right, and sometimes you don't want that right. You're getting these before you even make it home to watch the news or you drive home.
Speaker 2:You're not listening to the radio anymore, although I hope you are. I hope you're listening to the radio or consuming the podcast. You know we get our information in so many different forms. Now, if it's old school watching it over the TV, you know most of the younger generation are getting. They're consuming it via social media and that's for us old school people like, oh no, that's not real, can't be. There's some good stuff out there. But there's some. Oh no, that's not real Can't be.
Speaker 2:There's some good stuff out there, but there's some bad stuff too, as we all know. Same with TV, I mean, there's always. They come the good with the bad, right. But again, to wrap this piece and point up, is understanding where you're getting and consuming this stuff from, because you can get it from anywhere. But if it's misinformation, being able to decipher what is actually true and what's not, because, look, we live in a day and age where it's instantaneous, we want it now, we want it fast, and we wouldn't be done with it, right, I mean, that's just how it is. That being said, you know, going back to you know william cooper, who was william cooper, how he was his own thing, his own little entity. The legacy of william cooper spans decades, from hip-hop, the hip hip hop community, to a newer generation of people morphing or using this book as biblical.
Speaker 2:It's unfortunate that William Cooper is no longer alive. He passed away in 2001. He passed away in 2001. Sherratt's deputies were trying to attempt to arrest him in Edgar, arizona. The circumstances surrounding his death remain controversial, with some claiming it was a targeted assassination due to his outspoken views. Now, that could be possible, but so can a lot of other things too. Right, we know that william cooper had some trouble with the law, um, and they were coming to arrest him for other previous crimes. So, um, you're right. Yes, yes, that piece is controversial. I don't know that he was targeted for assassination because he was an outspoken individual. I mean, it's possible. I mean also the CIA could have killed Kennedy. But I digress, that's still information we don't know about just yet. We don't. I mean, it's so fluid right now, right now, right, I mean, we're waiting for that. I mean on pins and needles for us, for myself, yes, I'm, I'm excited, I want to know what's going on, right, I? I mean, I want to know, I want to, I want to have that peace where I can be like oh yeah, that's what actually happened to to the, to the former president. Well, what I mean? You know what happened to the president? I want to know what happened to our dude, what happened to our guy. Let's continue our conversation with what has happened.
Speaker 2:Let's discuss William Cooper's, let's talk about life after William Cooper has died. You know what surrounded his death, what happened in the years following the publication of his book? You know, we know that, behold, the Pale Horse came out in 91 and was promoted through his his radio show public appearances and he, like I said, he became a huge, huge push um with, you know, anti-militia movements. Um, it's interesting when we talk about this. I don't understand why you know it talks about. Let me go back here for a second.
Speaker 2:Inside the book he talks about a lot of things, including crime and why people are in jail. And when we talk about those things, I think that's why the hip-hop community really took to the book. You know, the hip-hop community wrote about this guy in so many different lyrics and you know, behold, the Pale Horse was written in so many different Wu-Tang Clan Jay-Z. A lot of artists that you may not be familiar with but used the book. They there was something that they were able to connect with in the book. They felt like they had something here. They were able to have a connection with William Cooper, though William Cooper knew nothing about that type of lifestyle other than he wrote a book about these different things where people kind of levitated to. Maybe they thought or felt circumstantial that, yes, I was affected by going to jail and being part of the system and not being able to get out of that. I mean, he talks about all these things in the book about why people are in prison, going to jail and being part of the system and not being able to get out of that. I mean talks about all these things in the book about why people are in prison and once you get in that cycle you just never come out, and I think that I believe that that's why the hip-hop community really took to behold the pale horse, because you can't really I don't know what a Caucasian dude in his mid-40s and 50s can relate to a 20-something year old hip-hop artist. It didn't match, but it matches in the book Because he was able to touch different individuals on a very wide spectrum of races and ethnicities. Maybe you had a family member that was incarcerated, but he talks about that and that's where they probably got hooked on. Maybe they are a conspiracy, maybe they don't trust the government, and that's where they latched on. For me there wasn't any latching, it was just something that was there that I read about.
Speaker 2:I mean having an understanding and trying to stay somewhat away from the conspiracy shows back in the 2000s, because there was a lot going on, a lot of communication, a lot of fluid movement of speculations and misinformation being spread out there. Was it right? Was it wrong? I just know that, for me, I was someone who couldn't consume it, even to this day. I mean, I try not to consume that kind of that much information. I want to know what's going on, I want to ask questions, I want to know as we continue, uh, to kind of talk about william cooper.
Speaker 2:Here's my thoughts on a lot of things. Here's a conspiracy that I don't know, that it boasts high, I don't know. I just think to me that this conspiracy like I'm excited to read about the JFK files, I'm excited to learn about you know what happened to RFK and Senior and MLK? I want it all, but not at the cost of defaming these individuals. That's not. You know they're dead, they're no longer with us. If we're going to be truth seekers, let's get to the truth of what happened. But are we truly ready for that? Are we ready to learn what actually happened on 9-11, on the assassination of Martin Luther King or the assassination of Robert F Kennedy? Or the assassination of a sitting president, john F Kennedy, or the assassination of a sitting president, john F Kennedy?
Speaker 2:Was there two shooters? Did Lee Harvey Oswald act alone? Was this a conspiracy? Was this a setup to say you know what? Was the mob involved? Was it the CIA? Was it the driver that shot him?
Speaker 2:I know there's, you know, conspiracy theories out there right now that the driver shot him from the subruder film. That are individuals talking about this thing. I've never been to Daily Plaza. I know that we've had different guests that come on to share their thoughts on it and be able to say, oh yeah, you could shoot that, you could do that, you could hit them from the book depository. I don't know that. I, I mean, I'm not one with that kind of strategic. You know that's not something I would do. But again, I'm not out here trained to do that.
Speaker 2:So was it a coincidence? Or did we just find out that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone? It was the lone shooter, shot him, killed him. Shooter shot him, killed him. But I think the thing that makes this conspiracy so rich with speculation is because lee harvey also died, you know, by jack ruby's hands. You know jack ruby showed up, shot him. So of course that conspiracy just takes on a whole, morphs into a whole new thing.
Speaker 2:I, you know, I'm ready to know, but don't be surprised if you're blown away by what actually happened, because I think there's something bigger going on. What actually happened? Because I think there's something bigger going on. I'm excited about what's to happen, what's to come, but always to ask the questions Is this right, are we doing the right thing? I'm telling you, we do these shows and you're like I don't know. I mean, it's possible, anything's possible. I mean, think about the people that come on the show to talk about, you know, being abducted by a gray alien. It's not my truth, it's his or hers. You know, maybe you've seen something. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Maybe you've seen something, I don't know. Maybe you saw a ghost in your house. That's your truth. That's not mine. I've never had that. These are things that spark my interest in why I got into a lot of this conspiracy theories. If there's one thing that I will say about going back and listening to William Cooper on some of his stuff that you can find on YouTube, it's. I mean, he packs a pretty good punch. He definitely calls things out as it is and as he views it. I would believe that calls things out as it is and as he views it. I would believe that he was a machine when it came to promoting how he went about it, how he continued to do engagements, how he became an expert with his naval intelligence and using that to say he was pretty upset after leaving the military, after being discharged, and he felt like his government turned on him. I mean, I'm sure there are a ton of people that are out there that are would say the same thing. They're like I served my country, I've done this, this for country, and God God's got your back, but do you feel like your government has turned on you? And this is what's fueled? This is what fueled him. The government turned on him, wasn't there to support him. He talks about this in the book. The government turned it. He felt like the government turned their back on him, rightfully so. He didn't. You know, I believe that For me. I believe that our military Individuals Thank you for serving, but sometimes I feel like they get the short end of the stick Out here doing things for our you know, for our country, and hopefully the country will continue to evolve and change to be able to give our military men and women who are serving the ability to do a transition program, just like they go into boot camp. Maybe it's a boot camp, a boot camp to transition, to get out of the military and we're not talking about like the other type, like we're talking about going back to civilian life to do some type of boot camp like that. Give them the social skills, make sure they go through counseling, things of that nature, because the government does their job to build these into warriors, killers, intelligence, to be able to train them. But they also need training to come back out to be able to do normal life If it's being a police officer or if it's serving in some other capacity, and that's what happened. It talks about that in the book in some other capacity and that's what happened. It talks about that in the book.
Speaker 2:William Cooper talks about, in Behold the Pale Horse, what actually kind of transpired and why he changed. What made him that way. Why did he turn his back on the government? But at that point he was like I'm going to share as much information as I possibly can, but writing about the Rockefellers, these big families and these secret societies and why the government built these infrastructures and put them in place. He talks about all this in the book. It's his truth. That is his story.
Speaker 2:Again, I'm not here to say that William Cooper was right or wrong. I'm just here to share what I learned from the book, what I believe some individuals have taken in the past, recent past, and amplified it and brought it back to life Good, bad or indifferent. It is one of those things that if someone wrote a book that was all pro-government things of that nature, it would be a different outlook on that, right I mean. So it really boils back to william cooper. Had it out for his government, he was going to do everything he possibly could to out the government, share information that may be on a grandiose scale To share it on his radio show, in the book, in when he did his speaking engagements. And it was his duty, that's what he wanted to do. He wanted to share these things so that other individuals knew what was up.
Speaker 2:We know that he lived this complex life. Some of the stuff that he wrote about it's not verified, some of it is misinformation. But we have to understand as a society that we need to be able to do our own homework, to continue to be free thinkers for ourselves, for our family members, because, remember, at the end of the day, we are our own ceos of our own entity, of our families. You know being a huge. You know just being American, just proud, right? I mean we want to continue that, but be free thinkers at that as well. And remember to be lying and not cheap. One of his quotes that he always would say you know, don't be a sheep, be a lion. You know you started seeing those hats pop back up Again. Good for them. You know, whoever the entrepreneur in somebody to be able to bring those types of things back Again.
Speaker 2:We know that this book has been controversial over the decades. I would say that I take it with a grain of salt now. But what would William Cooper say about what's going on today? I would believe that he would say, as we know it to be true, due to him being Mr Anti-Government, I would say that he would be questioning a lot of things right now. Maybe they're great, maybe they're not great, but I will tell you this he would be questioning everything that was going on, everything from probably in all the administrations, not just this recent one or the past one all the administrations. He would be skeptical, with a lot of skepticism. He would be out there drumming and saying this can't be right. Make sure you're thinking, as we know, that William Cooper was a free thinker, someone who continued to be that, someone who would cultivate this information to put in one book, this book. Behold the Pale Horse. Now, like I said, william Cooper, controversial from start to finish, with all the unverified information he undoubtedly made you think, with all the unverified information he undoubtedly made you think. But remember this William Cooper's legacy is so complex. While the book has undoubtedly influenced conspiracy culture, it's also important to recognize the dangers of promoting unverified claims and misinformation. Cooper's life and work serves as a reminder that we need to be critical thinking and skepticism in evaluating every conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2:Mind you, I appreciate everyone taking the time to hang out with us on this lovely evening. Maybe it's whatever time it is for you. I thank you for hanging out with us. If you're not a subscriber to the podcast, please do so by going to your favorite podcasting platform and search US Phenomenon. Go to my website On Air Mario to like and subscribe. Go to all of my social handles and follow me, please On Air Mario. That's simple Love to interact with you. You know, not just once a week. Hit me up, I'm available. I'll. I'll chat with you. I look forward to seeing you in in one of our next engagements when we decide to do a show live.
Speaker 2:I would love for you guys to come and hang out with us. If it's in ocean shores or if it's over by duval, or maybe it's, maybe it's somewhere close by where it's, everyone can join us. We'd love it's somewhere close by where everyone can join us. We'd love for you to come out and hang out with us. Send me a text if you're like hey, I got a show idea, mario. Hey, what do you think of this? Hey, I had a ghost. I saw a ghost. Share it with me. I'd love to have you on the show. That's what it is. It's your story to share. That's why we do this every week. We put these podcasts together. So I I love doing these things. Just a reminder I don't get paid to do this. I do this because I love to do it.
Speaker 2:Maybe I'm not great at it, but I genuinely love being on the air sharing stories and conspiracies with you, because I fell in love with that back in the early 90s and, like I said, a long time ago, when I first started doing this radio show, I had these two epiphanies One to get into radio and number two was to do this show. So I thank you from the bottom of my heart. You know, you taking the time to listen to the podcast but to be a part of it. You know, to share your thoughts and ideas and question things out there. Hey, mario, I saw this. Yeah, send it to me. We'd love to hear from you. You know, hey, I made this cool invention. Can I come on the show to talk about it? Yes, you can. We'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 2:Hey, I was able to record these. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Share it with us. Hey, I have a video of a sighting of a Sasquatch. Hell, yeah, we want to hear from you. Everyone is welcome to the table. We're here to have a conversation around the water cooler. That's what makes this so fun and unique and that's what makes this so great that we get to be able to do this weekly. So I appreciate it For my entire team Mark Christopher, sophia Magana and myself. Mario Magana, be sure to look up at the sky, because you never know what you might see. Good night.
