Epstein Files, Power, And Consequences

We trace the new Epstein document dump, the elite networks around it, and why redactions, delays, and social proximity muddy the case while fueling speculation. We push for clear standards, caution against trauma voyeurism, and lay out what accountability should look like next.

• three million-page dump overview and what’s inside
• gates emails, “acquaintance” language, and elite proximity
• reliability problems, redactions, and public trust
• epstein as broker of leverage, not an anomaly
• tech, transhumanism, and courting scientists
• celebrity rumors versus evidence thresholds
• how institutions bungle and feed conspiracies
• guard your heart and eyes, avoid graphic content
• what real accountability requires from doj and media
• what to watch in the coming weeks as data is parsed

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Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome And Guest Return
• 1:15 The Massive Epstein Document Dump
• 3:25 Gates, Emails, And Elite Circles
• 7:30 Redactions, Reliability, And Public Trust
• 11:40 Market Turmoil And Media Distractions
• 15:30 Why The Story Will Never End
• 19:00 Royal Rumors And Diana Hypothesis
• 23:00 Was Epstein An Intelligence Asset
• 27:00 Tech Titans, Transhumanism, And Science
• 31:30 Celebrities, Open Secrets, And Reputations
• 36:00 Ask Questions, But Guard Your Heart
• 41:00 What The Emails Do And Don’t Prove
• 46:00 Government Handling And DOJ Critique
• 51:00 Pizzagate, Conspiracies, And Being Right
• 56:00 Legalization Talk And Gates Fallout
• 1:00:00 Audience Guidance And Next Steps

Transcript

VO: 0:01

Welcome to U.S. Phenomenon, where possibilities are endless. Put down those same old headlines. It's time to expand your mind and question what if. From paranormal activity to UFOs, Bigfoot sightings, and unsolved mysteries. This is U.S. Phenomenon.

Mario: 0:21

From the Pacific Northwest in the shadow of the 1962 World's Fair, the spacing of good evening. This is U.S. Phenomenon. I'm your host, Mario Magagna, and oh my goodness. It has been a while since we've had a guest of this stature who has um been a major contributor to U.S. Phenomenon. He's uh he co-hosts his own show. You can find him at at Michael Parker, LA. It is my pleasure to welcome back to U.S. Phenomenon. I'm Michael Parker. Welcome back to the show, sir.

Michael Parker: 0:57

Happy New Year, Mario. How are you doing?

Mario: 0:58

Man, happy new year. I'm fantastic. You know, it's interesting. Uh, you know, great. Uh times are the same, you know, six years into this thing. You know, two, you know, a couple radio stations here, a couple podcasts here. Um, you know what's interesting? I've done a couple shows about the Epstein files that have come out. Now, there's been a new trough of of um of files that have come out. Yep. I don't know why I said trough, but it's a lot. There's like a megaton of this stuff.

Michael Parker: 1:32

Three million pages, I think.

Mario: 1:33

Uh you're right. It is around uh three thousand three million, by the way. You know, I was I was I'm glad because this is why you're here. Uh three million pages among with 2,000 videos, 180,000 images were released on January 30th of this year. Uh a lot of it is pretty disturbing, if you ask me. I have I mean, uh the stuff that I've seen on social media, um the speculations that are going around, and this is something that you and I talked about a long time ago. Um, I know that Bill Gates uh had alleged, you know, had had you know, you and I had talked about Bill Gates and Epstein a long time ago in previous shows, and I it this was like one of the first shows. I don't even think the body was cold yet when he died. We were talking about these Epstein files, and I was like, what about Bill Gates? No one is talking about Bill Gates, and back then there was not much evidence to the contrary, or what has been released in you know, five years later, how much how much I don't know if you want to call it collateral damage, if you want to call it coincidental. It's just interesting to me that he continues to refer to him as a an acquaintance. I mean, he's dead, so uh, and when I refer to Epstein, that he can't, you know, the only thing we have now are these alleged emails that are these transcriptions of you know Bill Gates writing to Epstein asking for said prescription medication. Um I'm it's wild.

Michael Parker: 3:27

Mario, if I may, I mean, yes, we've been talking about this for a long time, and I think that some people may even have Epstein fatigue because it's it's lingered for so long and we've waited for you know something to happen. My God, is somebody gonna go to jail besides Epstein and ghane Maxwell? And then Epstein, I mean, you know, I've said many times on your show, I like many people think that someone killed him. I could be wrong. Um Well, I mean, I mean so now we're all we've been talking about this for so long, nobody's gone to jail for it. And when you said the acquaintance thing in regards to Bill Gates, because Bill Gates has been associated with this story for as long as I can remember, but this particular uh drop was was was very very detrimental to him for the reason that you mentioned, in which they're taught they're showing the emails where he's asking Jeffrey Epstein for these antibiotics to give to his wife because supposedly he got an SCD from these uh they're saying Russian girls. Um, but you mentioned something interesting that they refer to him as an acquaintance. It's like I think that's the the the frustrating thing about this and the omnipresence of Epstein. Epstein, you know, we talk about okay, so what did Trump know? What did all these people know? How close were they to them? Did he go on the airplane? Did he go to the island? You know what basically, and this is one of the things that kind of bugs me is that, and this is not an apology at all for any of this, it's all abhorrent and terrible, but at the same time, these people are all operating in a circuit of cocktail parties and gallas and things, all these people coalesce together because they're all part of the same elite group of the power and business and science and celebrity level, right? So, yeah, they do all know each other. And you know what? You're gonna have pictures made with these people whether you want to or not. Now, that's not to absolve anybody of anything, it's just that, like with this latest three million documents that they've dropped. Yeah, some of this stuff is just tip line um reports that were never validated. And sure, and then I read something as well that there's also like thousands of pages of commercial pornography. What I'm getting at is of these three million pages, how much of this is actually valuable and how much of it is, and then there's the redactions, right? So all a lot of this this this material is redacted. Initially, Trump's name was not redacted, and I can't get uh an actual number on how many times he was mentioned, and then there's talk that now they're going to re-redact because we've also got names in there of the victims, which shouldn't have been in there because the whole reason that we're waiting so long, right? Right was to get the right, we were gonna remove all of this data about um the innocent, but apparently we didn't. Now, why did that happen? I don't have an answer. Um, people are a bit out of shape about the fact that this took longer than the December cutoff. I'm sorry, when I'm thinking of government, I I'm expecting overruns anyway. So I that doesn't, I'm not that fussed about this. Um, I didn't know it was going to come out on Friday, which was a very conspicuous day, as you and I discussed. Um, I was actually researching the silver market on that day, and we had this incredible silver market decline that is suspected to sell and wiped out trillions of dollars worth of value um in 24 hours. So that happened on that same day. Meanwhile, there's the continuing concern about what may or may not happen in Iran. Um, you know, and then we had this thing that came out at the end of the day. I don't know if you saw it, where they were talking about this thing called Molt Book, which might or might not even be a real thing, which supposedly was a social media site for the IA. Friday was nuts. And so in the middle of this, this is kind of between it and the silver, this is the big story. To get back to the Epstein thing, um a lot of people are hyper-focused on this, and I'm not saying that they should not be. And one place that Trump has really dropped the ball on this is underestimating the value of getting to the bottom of this to his core um base, right? Right now, this is also frustrating to me because meanwhile, while we see this horrible fire burning, I see other fires burning, and I see people respond in social media, you know, some new news story will be dropped, and I'll hear you'll see it over and over. But um, but what about those Epstein files? Listen, we all hear you, we get it. That's a problem, it's a big problem. Nobody's gonna let it go. This is this is a JFK thing. We're gonna be hearing about the Epstein files for the rest of our uh lives. I I I'm certain of that. And they can continue to drop files, but no one will no one's ever going to be satisfied, I don't think. I because let me just finish this off. It's like, I don't know if we're ever going to get to a point where we have enough information that people will be satisfied. So people would rebuke that and say, look, okay, well, then we want some people to go to jail. Now that I don't disagree with you with. Um Friday was crazy. We got these papers, people are gonna have to go through them. A lot of it, I don't think, is going to be valuable, but I'm sure within two weeks, three weeks, four weeks, people that have the wherewithal and the patience or the technology to go three million pages of paper will be able to tell us what's really important. And getting back to Bill Gates, it was a very bad day for him. And by the way, I tend to believe most of this stuff about Bill Gates. I was never a fan. Um, my concerns with him were always more about um C19 and the B-word and all that. Um I'm not a fan, so I'm not fussed.

Mario: 9:47

And and I think for myself, um, I I think the reason why I asked is I think there was uh an undertone of a social monster as as I saw it. Um I'm sure he's a nice person. I I don't know that I would be hanging out with someone of that. I don't I well, I wouldn't because I'm not that elite. I I'm not a part of that social circle. And the reason why I keep bringing these things up, someone from the Pacific Northwest who is from here, grew up here, knows the history about who this individual is, at least what has been documented in regards to who he is. I mean, yes, he co-founded Microsoft with you know Paul Allen, you know, Paul Allen's no longer here, but those two weren't friends afterwards. I mean, that that I mean that that that that should speak volumes. And that and what's interesting to me was when you and I had talked about, you know, I think Epstein had passed away. We were, you know, we did a show about that, but I was like, no one still is talking about Bill Gates. What about Bill Gates? Okay, so it kind of it kind of lingered through. Yes, Donald Trump's name is, you know, we we know that Donald Trump's name's in this thing, Bill Clinton's name's in this thing.

Michael Parker: 11:02

Um A lot of people's names are in this name.

Mario: 11:05

You know, you know whose name is not in here, and you're gonna you're gonna laugh when I say this, Diddy.

Michael Parker: 11:11

That's interesting.

Mario: 11:12

Okay, so John Puffy Combs was not in this documentation, uh, but the other guy, Jay-Z, was uh named in that.

Michael Parker: 11:19

Right. Well, that's interesting to me. Um now here's another thing that and and by the way, I didn't I hope that didn't come off wrong, like I didn't want to talk about um Gates, but it's like this is me having a having a floor to explain my frustration with all this. Is that you know they were talking about all of these names that were being redacted, but Trump's name wasn't redacted, and now we're talking about maybe they're gonna re-redact. So, and then there's also um a while back, Ghlaine Maxwell had said that there were about 25 of this power elite that were involved with Diddy who had signed some kind of agreements where their names were not gonna be released. My point is I don't know who all's in the files because I've never seen the files unredacted, and even and what is even going to act to actually make the files at the end of the day. Now I'll go I'll take it a step further. I also don't think there was one um Epstein. Um, I think that there may be other people who serve similar functions as him. I'm not saying that there's clones of him. What I'm saying is I believe that there are other people in the world who serve similar functions as Epstein. And so I mean, I here again, I could be wrong, but I think once something kind of works and he found a way to align himself with all these various governments, all these various forces and and and prestigious people for different reasons, I believe that there's other people who do what he does. So I know that's not good news to the world, um, but that's what I think.

Mario: 13:02

So when when we we talk about this, um, and we we know that there's all kinds of names. Let me throw another conspiracy at you at you at you. So Prince Andrews was named in those files, right? What if uh what if Princess Diana knew about this uh back in 97 and was gonna come out with this, and uh they had her killed because she was gonna come clean with the whole Epstein stuff. She knew about Andrew.

Michael Parker: 13:28

You know, you know what that's an interesting idea.

Mario: 13:30

Um I know someone talked about I just saw recently saw this, and I was like, oof, that's interesting. That's uh that's deep, it's heavy, it's very heavy.

Michael Parker: 13:40

Yeah, that is. Um, I mean, I've heard various ideas about what happened to Princess Diana and why. I have not heard that idea, but listen, I mean, if you're that close to all of those things, it's reasonable that you might have heard a little scuttle, but and that's the other thing. Like, I don't know how discreet these people were being. I think they're most of these people were pretty full of themselves. Sure. And I would think if you're that level of affluence and we're all going to the horse races and the award shows and the Met Gallas and the things of that such, you know, yeah, I think you're gonna hear a little something on the down low. So to your point, maybe she maybe she did know. Maybe that was just one more thing that she knew.

Mario: 14:23

It's interesting because you know, it talks about Clinton's name, you know, Trump's name referenced in this hundreds of multiple times, you know, with the news clips and things of that nature. Uh it what's interesting to me is all these people that are being named in this in these files, they're not common folk. And I think this is something that you and I talked about. This is part of the super elite of elite. These are people that are running our countries, these are people that are are making decisions. These are high-powered, influential people. Now, yes, what's interesting about the whole Epstein piece is was he working for another government?

Michael Parker: 15:06

I think he was I think he was working for who I think he was working for a lot of people. I think who do you work for?

unknown: 15:13

Numbers.

Michael Parker: 15:14

I think that he I think that he worked for a lot of people. Um, my personal theory, just to remind folks, they might be saying, you know, why is Mario having this guy on? Well, I back in 2019, 2020, I produced a podcast series for another show, and we did a deep dive on on Epstein at the time, and it would the name of the show was called The Hidden Truth Show, and the series was called What Happened in Palm Beach, ladies and gentlemen. It is still out there on YouTube um and podcasts if you want to listen to it. And so we talked to a lot, a lot of these people um that had been around all of that at the time, and I have always felt that Epstein worked for, you know, I think he worked for whoever wanted to hire him. I think that he, as far as you know, what was Epstein like on the inside besides horrible, I I think that he was the kind of guy. First of all, he was a people, he was a people collector. He's the type of guy that wants to affix himself to famous people, to power, people of power for multiples of reasons. A to make money, um, b to to to get power, you know, C, I think to fill probably issues that he had with his own psychosis. You know, I he liked to be around famous, rich people. And some of those people that he was around don't want to be known, and they lie low. So you're right. There's a lot of these people in these things that we don't know their names right off the bat, but they were very important people. And what was I go? Where was I going with this? Just the fact that some of these people, we may not know their names, but that doesn't mean that they are unimportant people. And I think a lot of those people who you may not know their names, it's because they don't want you to know their names because real power is not necessarily showy. You know, the really rich people, they don't want you necessarily to know how rich they are. Um, but one thing, well, one other thing about the drop that happened on Friday was the reaction to it. And so a lot of stuff happened. So, did you see on Friday where people were um booing Mamdani, Zoran Mamdani, the the new mayor of New York, yeah, because a picture of his mother, who was a filmmaker, was with Epstein, and a lot of people were assuming that it is possible that Zoran Mamdani is Epstein's son of Epstein. I don't personally believe that, but that's just one example of the entire continued Epstein mania. And then um, did you see all the Nicki Minaj comments that she made on Twitter?

Mario: 18:09

Um Well, I know she's been I know that she's been pretty much she's been suckered by. I mean, I the last I saw was that Nikki thought she got herself a players card, a gold card, and then the uh the president was like, no, that was a fake one, that wasn't a real one. Uh, I saw that stuff.

Michael Parker: 18:28

They feel like no, she she she she made some she made some um I mean so blow. Some she made some she made some drops on X, basically talking about your favorite singer, your favorite stars, do all of these horrible things that I'm not gonna repeat here. Yeah. Um, including what we're saying were the very worst things that we were thinking that Epstein and his crew did. And I bring that up just because she's you know, she's just saying this that there's an entire whirlwind of energy that still continues around anything having to do with the scandal. So on on both sides, on all sides. And then another thing that came out over the weekend, and I don't know if this is true, I'm just repeating it here because it's another thing that was coming around. There was a there was originally after Epstein died, however, he died, and listen, I don't even know. He he may be alive, I don't know. Um, I I think he killed himself, but I don't know. Wait, I'm not sure. But anyway, the day after he died, there were there were anonymous posts put on 4chan by a person who supposedly worked in the prison that he was being held in. And in these posts, he describes that Epstein was wheeled out in a wheelchair around the time that we all think that he passed away and basically disappeared, whisked off, disappeared into the night. Okay, so at the time that was research, nobody could figure out who this person supposedly was. Well, over the weekend, it looks like some people have found out who that original poster was. Now, I don't know if any of this is true. We will find out, but this is the level that we're at of this is never going away. And more and more information will always come out, and we'll find out in the coming days if the thing with the the 4chan reporter is a real issue or if it's a hoax or whatever. And then we get back to this idea of how many people that Epstein knew because he inserted himself into every level of the elite. You know, we've got this New York Giants owner, Steve Tish, you know, all these famous, the guy that just got the job with CBS. They're saying somebody that's involved with the LA Olympics. I mean, on one side, you have to wonder, my God, so are these all bad people? But on the other side, you also have to get back to what I said at the beginning. Unfortunately, a lot of these people, just because you got a picture made with someone doesn't mean that you know them or are involved with anything with. And it's not to say that I'm absolving Trump because Trump has been very frustrating about all this, but I'm just saying the reality of it is these people are in a circle of people of which there are many people, they all know each other. That doesn't mean they're all involved in things together.

Mario: 21:22

When we talk about this, I think you start to go back, and and I don't like to bring up his name very much or very often, but AJ. Uh his first name is Alex.

Michael Parker: 21:33

Alex Jones. Alex Jones?

Mario: 21:35

Yeah. Okay. I mean, you think he's crazy, but you know, on a lot of his shows, he used to talk about how he would talk about these types of things going on. I mean, you talk about the social political piece of everyone gathering in California over at um bohemian grove. Yeah, Grove. But this takes it to a whole nother level. You know, if you're talking about Bohemian Grove with compromising people on that level, this is on a level ten times that you're talking worldwide. You know, these people have been compromised. And uh I'm not saying because I know I have a picture with Puff Daddy from way back in the day. That doesn't mean I was at these parties with a bunch of baby oil.

Michael Parker: 22:21

You know, exactly.

Mario: 22:23

But here's what I will say where there's smoke, you know, with it when the smoke they're smoking gun. I mean, some of this is pretty damning for a lot of these individuals. You know, for sure.

Michael Parker: 22:34

I mean And listen, I I I don't think that the things that were alleged to have happened did not happen. I think that he's just as bad at as horrible as we think he is. My concern is who how many people are actually involved in this, who's really involved? Let's all let's not all freak out. And and it does bug me that of these three million pages, we've got all of these we've got all these police tips that really have no context. And sure. Um so I don't know how valuable that is. I know that what what the uh DOJ is doing is they're like, well, you guys wanted this, so here it is. Um but this is the frustrating thing for me about the administration. They said they said this was going to be a a priority for them, yet it's taken so long. Um I this is like a lose-lose situation. Nobody's ever going to be happy on this. And well, I think clearly blame them.

Mario: 23:31

I and you know, you got you got pre presidents, former presidents in this thing. I don't know. I here's what I say about the Epstein if he's alive or dead, or if he got wheeled out. Let's see the autopsy report. Let's see the re report, let's see the photos of him dead. That will clear a lot of things up.

Michael Parker: 23:50

Well, actually, I mean that happened, and Cyril Wecht, I believe, was the forensic uh scientist who did this. He believed that the photos from and and and the autopsy led him to believe that there were there were ligature marks around Epstein's necks. And a ligature is not a bed sheet. A ligature is like an electric cord or uh uh one of those things you put on your car to hold uh the luggage down or something, you know, or rubber uh hose or something. That was Cyril Weck. And and I believe that there was uh there was fractures within the front bones of the throat that led him to believe that what actually had to him was a forcible strangling versus you know falling forward from a bit.

Mario: 24:39

I want to remember I'm trying to remember who was uh his cellmate.

Michael Parker: 24:45

Well, at one point he had a cellmate who was a big muscular guy, I believe, and maybe some kind of former mafioso type or something. I don't remember the man's name right off the bat, but when he died, he was supposedly, you know, in solitary.

Mario: 25:00

Nicholas tell uh Tardo. Tallerino or something? Yep, that was his cellmate.

Michael Parker: 25:07

Yeah, and I can't remember what what all that guy had to say at the time, but he was kind of a scary character.

Mario: 25:13

I mean, the dude was huge. I was like, Right? Oh, I was like, oh yeah, that dude. There's no way. I was like, no, oh yeah, that guy got him. Yeah, that guy got him. Someone told him to get him. Someone said get him. And I wonder if that guy's still in jail or if he's out now for a good thing.

Michael Parker: 25:30

Well, I think that he's made a couple I I think that he's made a couple of statements on this in the past, but also do you remember when I don't know how long ago, a few weeks ago or a couple months ago, they j they dropped this tape that was supposedly the tape of that floor. I mean, uh, and that wasn't even the camera wasn't even pointed at the right doors. I mean, it's just this is my frustration on this, at least with the with the Trump administration. It's like, look, man, the people are this is a very serious thing to many, many people, and many of these people voted for you. So this is not a thing to get wrong. And I wish that you know he would take this seriously. Um and not I don't know, a lot of people are very disappointed about this. And uh every time something gets bungled in the data or documents or video that we receive after the fact, it kind of just makes it look worse. So that that's one thing that bugs me.

Mario: 26:28

Yeah, there's no evidence in regards to um that that guy is doing life in prison, uh, his cellmate, but um, yeah, there's no there's no real tangible goodies in regards to like just show me the autopsy, show me some pictures. I think that'll that'll kind of smooth out that piece. I wish he wasn't dead, to be honest with you. This would be way more uh more more popcorn-esque to very it would be very much OJ-esque of like of today's modern day. It's interesting to me because when you think we go back to the the Prince Andrew thing and how Buck Buckingham Palace, you know, basically threw him out on his ass and just said, you're done. What's interesting to me was that Andrew had invited Epstein to Buckingham Palace back in 2008. And um, it's it's crazy like how much pull he had and what he was doing for all these individuals. And what has been released out there, clearly, Michael Parker and I are not going to go through these documentations. Uh, we're not gonna show photos. That that's I mean, we're fathers of daughters, you know. Uh, and there are other people that are fathers of daughters and mothers of daughters. And I I mean, I can't even say it because it's over-the-air radio, uh, but in the podcast I could say it. But it's just really effed up on how bad this is. And a lot of people aren't going to go to jail. There may be some people like Epstein, who is no longer on this earth to face any type of criminal action. There may be substantial damages to his estate where people may get paid out, but there are a lot of sick bastards out there in this world. And this is like, this is on levels that is past these, you know, forensic files type investigative shows. This is like disturbing on what has been released, and the fact that people on social media just vomit it out there. Like, look at like they're they're doing what we're doing, right? Having a conversation, but they have the green screen and they their 10 minutes to 15 minutes of fame to get all those social hits. Clearly, we're not doing that. But I just from what I've seen and what I've heard so far on what they're alleging in regards to what is being, you know, Bill Bill Gates, for example, uh, you know, him having these, you know, you know, catching an STD. I mean, how stupid are you to catch an STD as a married individual? Why are you not protecting yourself? I mean, that is just the it's just a stupid move. Like you're a married man. You're a married man.

Michael Parker: 29:18

So, so I think that, yeah, I know how stupid that that looks to us. Um, but a lot of uh Jeffrey's business model, you know, was dependent upon that type of behavior, like uh, you know what? I guess a couple of glasses of champagne, and then some attractive women, or whatever the person's particular jam was. You give them that and then you compromise.

Mario: 29:42

Let's call it dysfunction. I don't want to call it jam.

Michael Parker: 29:45

Yeah. Well, hey, no, but seriously, man, I mean, this is an this is this is an old, old form of espionage and spying. This didn't start with Jeffrey Epstein, so there's been plenty of time to figure it out, and we are just animals, you know, we're human animals, and anyway, people get dumb, you know, and then they do dumb things, and this whole game is dependent upon people's behavior. And yes, for sure, you would think a guy like Bill Gates would be smarter than that, but hey man, sometimes people are so full of themselves and they kind of feel like they're untouchable and they're easily um, they do dumb things easier than you might think.

Mario: 30:26

What what are we knowing about uh you know, we know Gates has been named Elon. Is he was he a part of that list?

Speaker 3: 30:33

So Elon supposedly is in the emails, and they're trying to. Oh, that's another thing about this. The the whole thing that bugs me is is well, let me finish the Elon point first. So a lot of people say it's EC, Elon went to the island. Elon went to the island. Now there are emails that I think these go back to 2013, in which Jeffrey and Elon are talking to each other, and it's about Elon, I believe, is going to be somewhere in St. Marts or something down in the area, and then maybe he's going to come to the island. Anyway, according to these emails, that never happens. But Elon says today, well, you know, he invited me there, and then these emails and the people that don't like Elon are saying, well, he wanted to go there. Long story short, as far as we can tell, he never went, but there was the discussion of him going. So, yes, he's in the files as well. And basically, anybody who had a discussion, um, well, I don't want to say that. There's a lot of ways that you could have been in the files without actually having been involved in some of this behavior. You could have just been something that they were discussing, and I'm forgetting my example right off the bat. But a lot of the famous names that you'll see associated in there, there will be some who really didn't have anything to do with anything. They just are caught up in this net of data.

Mario: 32:00

So, according to the D department of uh DOJ, which in you know included a trove of emails between two 2012 and 2014, you know, some called, you know, quote unquote wild party inquiry and from you know November of 2012. Musk reportedly asked Epstein, what day slash night will this wild the wildest party on your island? I mean, I mean you can inquire about these things, you know, island visits, the email show that Musk and Elon attempting to coordinate a visit on the private island.

Michael Parker: 32:42

Um and it and if that's a legitimate email, it doesn't look good for Elon.

Mario: 32:46

No, it doesn't. I I mean and we just go going through the facts, you know. Right. The the business inquiries about you know about Solar City empowered from New Mexico, you know, SpaceX type type style. But must, you know, must has responded, and and you know, he may continues to maintain that you know he never attended the islands or any of these parties.

Michael Parker: 33:09

Well, there are so many people, you know, I mentioned the the New York Giants guy earlier. There's a guy who just booked a gig with CBS, I forget his name. Um, I believe he's a fitness kind of person, and basically people were calling for him to lose his job even before he started, because a decade ago he had had um many, many email back and forths with Epstein. So, yeah, I mean, if you're one of the people, even if he didn't do anything, but you were contacting um Elon, you're kind of in the crosshairs.

Mario: 33:43

So You know, it's it's so crazy that why was Epstein so obsessed with technology, with tech people and the financial moguls towards I've got an answer for that.

Speaker 3: 33:56

Okay, and you and I actually talked about this a long time ago. At least it appeared to me, and I think it's substantiated afterwards, he was a transhumanist, and he is a person who, you know, and listen, here's another reason that uh it doesn't really make sense that he would have killed himself. He was getting ready to potentially cooperate before he died. And I believe that his lawyers at the time, you know, so we're saying he was confident. Listen, and a transhumanist, the main thing they want to do, not die. And so he was in he was very much involved in the pursuit of that type of information. He was a scientist groupie in a way. I mean, you know, he really was giving money out to a lot of these people. He it wasn't just celebrities or politicians that he wanted to be around, he also wanted to be around leaders of science and technology because I think that all of that fascinated him. And I do believe that you know he's the type of guy that would have wanted to adopt technology that would help him live longer. And when you're rich, you want to live longer, right? I mean, right. Most rich guys don't want to live shorter, they want to live longer. So I think that's another reason that he was very much fascinated with uh scientists and giving money to so many of them. He wanted to be around that, he wanted first dibs on it.

Mario: 35:20

Yeah, you know, it's funny. I don't know that it is funny, but it's it's crazy to see. You're not gonna find myself or someone like a Michael Parker on this list. You're not gonna find like a Steve Quagmire. You're you're not you're not gonna see there have been these social media posts like, oh, Quagmire didn't make the list, you know, Diddy did not make the list. Jay-Z made the list, which is interesting to me, because now they're going after Jay-Z.

Speaker 3: 35:48

Well, Jay-Z, I mean, there's been rumors about Jay-Z for a long, long time. And I, you know, I'm not gonna say, I mean, I I don't have any firsthand knowledge, but all of these people that we're talking about, it's kind of like um Weinstein. If you lived in LA, you would heard it, you'd have heard about the Weinstein stuff for 20 years before anything happened. So a lot of this stuff is hushed, kind of open secret stuff, and that's as much as I'm gonna say about that, because I don't know that much about the Jay-Z, other than I've always heard that it ain't good, man.

Mario: 36:19

Here's what I'm gonna say about Jay-Z. The photos, for those who don't know Jay-Z, if you're you know, if you're an older individual who may be listening to the radio show, this goes back to the conspiracies here, but Jay-Z is a uh uh rapper mogul clothing fashion dude who kind of same levels, Puff Daddy. Uh he's producing the Super Bowl halftime show and has been for a few, you know, a few years. Um what's interesting to me is there are pictures of Jay-Z and Aaliyah, who is was an artist who was 15 years old, who was married, who was shortly married to a guy who is now in prison, R. Kelly.

unknown: 37:05

Yeah.

Mario: 37:05

Now, R. Kelly and Aaliy married, and they had that married annulled because she wasn't old enough. She was still just 15 years old. Now, what's crazy to me is that Aaliyah would be my age, uh, a year younger. She would be 46 right now if she was still alive. Yeah. She'd be 46 years old right now. I mean, she was just a year younger than I was. Um and to see her pass away in a in a tragic plane uh plane crash, there have been multiple alleged stories about Jay-Z, about um R. Kelly, um when there's smoke, there's fire, right? I mean, so something is going to come out in regards to a lot of this. And I think as the reason why I do this show is we need to remind ourselves, I think it's been in multiple books, we need to continue to use our minds, regardless on what side of the aisle this is. This isn't a Democratic thing. This is not a Republican thing, this is a human thing. This is something that the elite powerful people are running our countries that are getting away with essentially murder in a lot of these alleged cases, where if this is real, let's just say all this stuff that's gone on with Trump, you know, Clintons and everybody else, all these alleged, you know, things. I I don't want to talk bad about anybody, but the uh the evidence is so damning on some so many different levels on some of these individuals, you know. Yeah, maybe you know, in regards to the Clintons, you know, Trump having association. I mean, there's video of him hanging out, the two of them in their you know, young days, and who knows what. I mean, and and that could just be association, you know. But I did hear a story about uh Donald Trump alleged um him and Epstein were kind of friends uh at one point in time, and then you know, Epstein was had him come over to look at some property in Florida. Trump eventually bought the property, and uh, you know, Epstein was super upset at Trump.

Speaker 3: 39:20

That's supposed that's supposedly the story that that ended their friendship. I mean, I always thought that it was because he kicked him out of Mar-a-Lago, but people are saying it's actually about this piece of property that they both wanted. I I I don't know the truth on it.

Mario: 39:34

It's interesting that there's that, but then you know, you do have the president saying, hey, he was you know taking my workers from Mar-a-Lago, and then there's that story as well. Now, you know, to the common folk like myself and you, I mean, I could barely, you know, afford to have someone clean my house, you know, once every quarter, you know. So, so I mean, yeah, so I'm cleaning my own house just like everybody else does, but I clean my own house. You know, I may maybe once a quarter I have uh the maid come. I don't I don't even know who my maid is. I just know she comes over, I just call her the fairy. She cleans the house up, she's really good. And uh I just I know you know she comes in, she's recommended, she does a lot of my friends' houses, but I've never met Maria. And so Maria comes through, cleans the house. But like I'm saying, like I don't, I'm I'm not at that level where I, you know, I don't, you know, someone's trying to till steal my workers. So yeah, if you're at that level where you're I'd be mad too if someone's stealing my workers, you know, and that's and that's where I can see Trump being upset about that situation. Um does this look bad for the entire administration because they've taken so long on this?

Speaker 3: 40:42

Well, that yes, I uh to me, this looks bad for everybody, and um I will say, because a lot of people were asking, so why did it drop now? And I'll be honest, on Friday, I was all absorbed in the silver crash. Um, because that was very mysterious, and maybe we can talk about well, not mysterious, just super not good, not on the up and up. Anyway, that's another thing. But so people were like, so why, why this particular day? Well, there are those out there who believe that this was to make Trump look even worse, and I don't think that's not necessarily possible. Um, a lot of people believe that certain groups are upset with Trump because he's not doing what they want him to do. And this has, you know, this is okay. Look, I I this wasn't coming from me. Other people said this, and it's easy to find online. A lot of people thought that Trump was going to attack Iran, and there are countries who want Trump to do that, and he has not done it yet. And I'm I'm an anti-war guy. I mean, at the end of the day, people ask me, what are my politics? Well, number one, I'm an anti-war guy. That does not mean I'm a pacifist, but I hate war. So, anyway, but a lot of people wanted him to attack Iran, and some people feel like this is a way of showing him who's boss. Like, if you're not gonna do that, we're gonna do this. I don't know if that's true.

Speaker 1: 42:10

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 42:11

But I do think that it's done to make him look bad. Some people think that he's being sabotaged from within his own administration. That's not impossible. That certainly happened within his first administration. So I think that, and they did this in such a shoddy way after having all of this time to supposedly do this the right way. The things that are not redacted, the things that are redacted, the victims whose information is left in the documents. How does I mean it look it looks bad for the administration? Now, that being said, nothing was really done in the prior administration. And some people will say, well, that's because you know it was still in court and this, that, and the other thing. All I'm just saying, it doesn't look good for anybody, but I think it does hurt the current administration because it's happening now during that administration, and usually that's as far as people can see. What's happening right now? Because I need a bad guy right now, and uh, you know.

Mario: 43:10

Well, does it does and does it go back to the administration saying, okay, the DOJ is, you know, most of the people picked in the DOJ is from this administration, right? Most of the people uh are they call are they competent enough to do the job, is I guess where I'm trying to go with that piece. Just to make sure that we're we you know we're crossing the I's not in the T's.

Speaker 3: 43:32

Yeah, well, a lot of people are very disappointed in his appointments. You know, Pam Bondi, I and listen, I'm one. I don't think she's done a very good job. Cash Mattel certainly disappointed in him. I don't really know I thought he was gonna be better at this than he has been. Uh Don uh our damn Bancino. They both got up, they they both got up in front of us in that in that video and said, Hey, we've seen that we've seen the the footage. Epc killed himself. Case closed, that's it. Bada boom, you know, we're done. And um, you know, I don't a lot of us didn't believe that. A lot of us are like, wow, that looks like a hostage video, man. And like, who who made them say that? So, to your question, yeah, there's a lot of people who do not think this is the A team that's doing this work, but I I don't have the answers. I'm only saying what other people are saying, and it's occurred to me as well. I'm not crazy about what these people have done. You know, they've not just done it, they've not done a hell of a lot.

Mario: 44:31

It to me, it just it really goes back, Michael, to you know what something that you and I talked about a long time ago is like you gotta start asking questions, man. Is is this you know, and I think what we were kind of talking about, the AJ stuff, is it this is making him look like a like he's right on par for like the stuff, this is the crazy stuff that he's talked about in the past in regards to stuff at Bohemian Grove, you know, about like this makes him look like like he's known the entire time. Like he, you know what I mean? Like I you and I would say, that's crazy. That is crazy to think that what do you mean that they have these kids on an island or they're coming out of a pizza shack in the back, and you're like, Do you remember when they were talking about the Clintons taking people from Oh, I absolutely remember that.

Speaker 3: 45:17

I did a lot of research into it. Um here's the deal. I I a lot of this stuff when it's happening and it's of that magnitude. Oh, you better believe I'm gonna look into it. And um in far as far as AJ goes, I I I I I've listened to AJ, you know. I mean, um, I've enjoyed his work in the past, but it's funny, I've never seen as many memes as I've as I'm seeing now and within the last six months, basically to the effect of hey, go apologize to your conspiracy theorist Fred.

Speaker 1: 45:47

Right. Yeah, we're right. I mean, I want one.

Speaker 3: 45:51

Yeah, it's like our our our you know, all these jokes about how right AJ has been. But you know what? I gotta say, it's been that way for a long time. And it's like not just him, but to to be a critical thinker and to ask a question, it's okay. It is okay, people. Don't be, they don't want you to ask questions. They don't want you to think independently, and they're trying to crush that spirit out of all of us. They want us to be obedient and dumb, buy stuff, have a mortgage, be tired, go to bed, raise your kids, do your thing, but what for whatever you do, don't get involved in our business.

Mario: 46:24

Did you ever see that movie with Jim Cavizel, uh, The Sound of Freedom in 2003, uh, 2003?

Speaker 3: 46:30

I have not. Um, I know the movie, and I do need to see it at some point.

Mario: 46:34

I I mean, I went on a I went with a date to that movie. Ooh, yikes. We we we we we still hang out, we still talk, and we joke about like that. Was we were supposed to go to dinner afterwards. I just took her home. It was it was so traumatic, but it was so raw. Yeah, this that is a movie that people should be watching. If you are not in touch and understand this, the whole Epstein situation, this will get you right on par to what's going on out there in the world. Because there is, I mean, he they do a really good job of covering a lot of the stuff, sharing the stories about kids going in these containers, how they're getting shipped across the country. It is wild. It is it is crazy. And and these are things that you know that have been talked about through. I mean, you go back, you and I like I say, you go back and read the book, Behold the Pale Horse. I mean, for all we know, this could be a secret society that is pulling these strings to compromise our elected officials, our high-powered scientists. They are compromising them because they want to make sure they still have the ultimate power and control of people. That's what this all looks like to me. Yes, this is all bad, but what I'm trying to tell you is there may be someone, there's somebody that is the mastermind puppeteer behind all of this. There has to be. I mean what happened to the kid that smoked out Charlie Kurt? You haven't heard anything about that, dude.

Speaker 3: 48:24

Man, that's that's that is a whole other thing. And um I mean, I one thing I would say to people is like, I and I I have to do this. I I've been in this world for a long, long time. I don't look into everything because sometimes my heart and my soul just can't take it. And I would advise people who don't know about these subjects. I was saying be, you know, be active and think for yourself, but some of this is so bad that just just some of these things are so shocking that just be careful. Don't dive, oh, I'm gonna find out everything right now or look into these things. Um it's it's very hard on your soul and your heart after I mean there are articles, you know, I that I don't read intentionally because I already know the gist of it and I don't want to reinforce that type of energy in myself. Um, you know, maybe I'm too tender-hearted, but that it's one of the a lot of the stuff is extremely dark. It is very just be careful if you if you proceed with caution and exactly with caution. There we go. There we go.

Mario: 49:32

I I think that's such a great uh tip, too, for those who are who who are like us. I like I I uh Michael, you may what I would like to say, maybe you are that old school grocery shopper and you're in the checkout stand, listening to the show, downloaded the podcast, and you're you're you're you're look you look to your left and you see the tabloid. That's what we are. You're kind of re- We're giving you the service level of the tabloids of you know the you know the humanoid, you know, Batman that was seen or whatever in the inquiry and the national inquiry.

VO: 50:08

100% real.

Mario: 50:09

Yeah. And um, I just got back from a work trip from Chicago and I just saw that they had uh um something of that nature of some bat I don't even know, man.

Speaker 3: 50:23

Ladies and gentlemen, those flying those flying humanoids, yes, 100% real.

Mario: 50:28

Yeah, so so yeah, just just saying, but but like you said, it like guard your heart and your eyes. Yes, because you can never unsee that. And it's it's the same thing about the whole uh you know assassination of Charlie Kirk. I don't know why social media allowed anything. You and I get we get marked and pegged for some incredibly interesting things. But to to have social, you just gotta protect your heart and your eyes. Yeah don't go down a path. Uh here's what I would say. I don't know, I don't want someone to make money off of that type of stuff.

Speaker 3: 51:08

I hear you.

Mario: 51:09

You know, don't go clicking and looking through. If you want to read the files, I mean you can even ask uh Chat GBT or someone to kind of give you a synopsis of these types of things. But if you if you're in so quisitive and you maybe you're younger mind, and maybe you're you're gonna be some type of investigator or you're going to college or something of that nature, and you're gonna go do that type of work, then yeah, I would say, yeah. But for the average person like myself, I'm not going through those files, Michael. I'm not even I'm not gonna open video or pictures. That's not something that I would do. And I I think even when I saw the the horrific assassination of uh of Charlie Kurt, I was like, damn. I was like, when everyone's like, oh yeah, he's like, I was like, no, that dude is not making that. Like they smoked him out. Whoever killed him got him. Like it was just terrible. I I and I don't care where you lie in your politics or whatever.

Speaker 3: 52:13

It was awful. It was awful, and and and people's behavior after that was atrocious. I mean, that's another story, but yeah, and and and the footage on the Charlie Kirk thing, that that one's hard for me because I I'm I definitely agree with you. And at the same time, and and some people were using it just for clicks for sure.

Speaker 4: 52:30

Sure.

Speaker 3: 52:30

Um but on the other hand, I'm glad that people have have taken that footage and analyzed it. Now, whether or not people's ideas are correct, I'm glad at least somebody's thinking about it. But I I guess the other thing I was talking about is just these other really super dark, horrible things. I'm not even gonna say on the air. That's why I'm um there's if you want to go dark, it's it's out there. And I'm just saying, beware, it may not do you any good. Sometimes just let the professionals handle it. And in regards to this drop of three million documents, let's be let's be honest here. I'm not gonna read three million documents, and I know that there are people who have methods by which they will get through this information, and after that, we'll be able to find okay, this is actually these stories are something, these pieces of data are not helpful. Um, so I guarantee you, in a month, we're gonna know a lot more than we know right now about what's in those three million pages of documents.

Mario: 53:32

Our guest tonight, Michael Parker, hanging out with us. Uh, you can find him at Michael Parker, LA. Um, as we get close to wrapping things up. Were you shocked about the whole uh piece when it came down to uh can we just say Mario knew the entire time? Like I was like, why are we not talking about this man? And I know someone from being from the Pacific Northwest, I just I want to say I got it. You know, like I finally got one right, and not that that I wanted to be right on this, but it was like I'm glad that these these are I'm glad these things are starting to articulate and come out about this. You're talking about Bill Gates again? Yes, about Bill Gates and how I have a I have a thought on that.

Speaker 3: 54:13

Yeah, now you and I kind of keep our ear to the ground, and a lot of the people that listen to this, if they're listening to this show, that's because they're similar people to us and they have similar curiosity and they have they have an inkling that things are not as they're being portrayed. Anyway, the Bill Gates thing, I know people that you know uh I am not a spring chicken, but I do know people older than me and younger than me that don't know any of this about Bill Gates. All they know is he's the one of the top five or ten richest people in the world, and he's the creator of Microsoft, and he is kind of quirky and clumsy and all that. They don't know what you and I know, which seems like how could you be that unaware? But there's a lot of those people, and there's people that are not even going to know uh what just came out in these files because they don't listen to the news or they don't listen to this type of news. They want to know what the price of Microsoft is going to be, and um they want to know what a stock price is gonna be. So and there's also people that to to that to go into something like this would shatter their worldview so uh immensely that they're never gonna look into it. Now, there's other people who are gonna be like, Are you kidding me? We've known this all along. So the world's mixed of different kinds of people, people who know, people who don't want to know, and people who will find out this week. But it's I I do see how this happens. It bugs me, but this is how it can happen.

Mario: 55:45

But this goes back to the oldest profession of all. Yep. You know, if if if they're they have an itch and they're not, you know, and it's not being scratched, and shouldn't they just legalize prostitution? And that's a whole nother situation. Legalized pro prostitution, but what is going on is like these are levels of disturbing, like what is being, you know, like Bill Gates situation. I feel bad for his wife if she 100%.

Speaker 3: 56:16

I listened, I listened to some tape of her today discussing all this. Now that the and the thing with Bill Gates, and I don't have the answer to this, other people are gonna say you missed it entirely. I don't know how old these women were. If they were underage, who he has daughters, right? Right. I mean, look, I don't know how bad it is, but if they're underage, now that's that's really heavy. Um, a lot of these these girls that Epstein had were, I mean, that's what he's most famous for, right? Underage women, girls. So, yeah, with the Bill Gates things, he's in a world of hurt. Now, is anything ever gonna happen to him? I don't know.

Mario: 56:56

Well, I mean, uh, it time will tell. It time will tell on his uh on his alleged, you know, stories that have come out on him. I think that in time we'll we will know. Did M Melinda Frenchgate say anything in regards to contracting an S T D from him in her recent podcast? I didn't know if that came out. I just know that she said she had a heavy heart for all these these women.

Speaker 3: 57:18

Basically, what I heard, she never says those exact words, but she basically just and you know, I doubt she wants to get into details, right? But she clearly has a heavy heart, and she clearly couldn't continue her relationship with her, with him. Um, so anyway, and look, I gotta be honest, like I'm not a huge fan of hers either because the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, it wasn't just one of them, they were both involved, but regardless, that's kind of beside the point.

Mario: 57:45

Um, I mean, yeah, the the the I wonder what how that affects the Thurland per whatever you what it's the you know, they're them giving if if that you know foundation will stay around, you know, if that's gonna crumble that it will, it will.

Speaker 3: 58:01

I mean, I don't know if they'll continue to call it that, um, but they've got plenty of money to to to make it work one way.

Mario: 58:08

I I feel bad for Bill Gates' dad because you know tarnish is the name, you know, for that for that family. You know. You know, as we wrap things up from the Pacific Northwest, hey, if you're into that, uh we're making some changes to USPhenomena.com. If you want to be a part of it, you wanna if you missed you're getting the radio experience, you need to download the podcast to get the full interview, uh the full podcast experience, which is the full show, uh full hour versus the 23 minutes for two segments that you get on your radio st on your radio stations uh across uh the platform at KOSW, K-A-P-Y, and our flagship station 570 KVI here in Seattle. So if you want the full podcast, it's free. You just gotta go to onairmario.com to download and click on the uh podcast button, just click on the listen button, it'll take you straight to the podcast. Michael Parker, where can they find you besides Michael Parker LA at Michael Parker LA?

Speaker 3: 59:10

Well, um, I'm I'm on X, so under Michael Parker LA. You can go to YouTube, look me up Michael Parker Media, those three words, and you'll find hundreds of videos that I've done over my years of doing this. And my podcast is just called Michael Parker Media. So lots of ways to find me. Trying to keep it simple. I'd love to have you around. There is going to be new content um within the next couple of weeks. So I took a little bit of a hiatus. I'm also a musician and I'm finishing a record right now. But um, I appreciate all the listeners and people who visit and watch the videos. Mario, I appreciate you too, brother. Thank you for inviting me on.

Mario: 59:47

Well, welcome back. It's uh uh to year six. How about that? This is year six.

Speaker 3: 59:52

Congratulations, my brother. Yeah, just keep doing what you're doing.

Mario: 59:55

Yeah, we we we're chipping away. Um, again, what's uh what's your biggest uh what are you working on? Anything that we uh should know about in regards to an upcoming episode that we might be uh that we should be satisfied for.

Speaker 3: 1:00:08

Well, I'm taking some of the best episodes I ever did and dropping them. And one of the next things I'm going to do is an examination of of the 60s and the psychedelic era and some of the people who were integrally involved in that. And um it's kind of a continuance of this question about how legitimate is the 60s, um, and was there you know a hidden hand in the administering of of these various acid and all that. Yeah, so so that's just one of the things. I also have a completely due new different show that's going to be coming out, but it's not related to any of this, but I can't talk about it yet. But it's just more audio content. But um, yeah, go to Michael Parker Media and lots of uh if you like what Mari and I just talked about, there's a lot more of that kind of stuff.

Mario: 1:00:55

Cool. As we wrap things up from the Pacific Northwest, I'd like to thank our guest Michael Parker. Always a pleasure to have you back on. I'm interested to see what uh our boy um uh I I have to have him back on eventually, but uh I'm interested to see what what thing how things are going on in New York. I wonder what he has to say about the Mangati thing. Uh if he thinks that he looks like, you know, I I saw the picture, I was like, wow, he kind of looks like Epstein, but uh anybody smiling, I mean they it looked pretty close. Uh as we wrap things up from the Pacific Northwest. I'd like to thank all of them. Oh, go ahead.

Speaker 3: 1:01:27

Before you leave, hey man, how about those Seahawks?

Mario: 1:01:31

Oh man. So exciting. So I mean, they they they play for those who are listening to the podcast. I mean, they play tomorrow, tomorrow afternoon. So if you're listening on one of our radio stations, uh yeah, I mean it's it's it's it's nerve-wracking to be a fan to be going through the whole Super Bowl week. And I'm like, this is this is garbage. I just want to play the game now. But go Hawks. Go Hawks. Yeah, that the whole LLA situation was crazy, by the way. That was a good game, by the way. That was close. LA, those Rams almost got him. As we wrap things up from here, I'd like to thank our guest Michael Parker. Uh, please go down the load the podcast on your favorite podcasting platform. Just search US Phenomenon with Mario McGagna, or you just go to onairmario.com. Be sure to look up at the sky because you never know what you might see. Good night. You're listening to U.S. Phenomenon with your host, Mario Magania.