God, UFOs, And The Invisible War

We connect UFO and UAP reports to the oldest questions about God, the unseen realm, and what “real” even means when the evidence is messy and the stories don’t fit neat categories. Derek Warfell lays out why he believes many encounters function as spiritual deception, and we push on what that implies for faith, fear, and how we live right now.
• why Derek starts investigating UFOs after hearing credible testimony 
• science, materialism, and why “non-physical” can still be real 
• the angelic realm, fallen angels, and the idea of an invisible war 
• end-times talk handled carefully, with Israel as a key reference point 
• Men in Black reports, black-eyed children stories, and “entity” patterns 
• what contact messages often claim about God, Jesus, and human origins 
• technology as bait, “confidence” tricks, and the cost of occult access 
• abductions, missing time, hypnosis, and why Derek calls it dangerous 
• why some experiencers say calling on Jesus stops it 
• AI as the next oracle and what happens when dissent is punished 
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Transcript

Welcome And The Big Question

VO 0:00

Welcome to U.S. Phenomenon, where possibilities are endless. Put down those same old headlines. It's time to expand your mind and question what if. From paranormal activity to UFOs, Bigfoot sightings, and unsolved mysteries, this is U.S. Phenomenon.

Mario 0:21

From the Pacific Northwest in the shadow of the 1962 World's Fair, the space signal. Good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever the case may be for you. This is U.S. Phenomenon. I am your host, Mario Magania. Tonight, or if you're not uh listening to the show on one of our radio affiliates, KOSW, K-A-P-Y, or flagship station, KVI. You're checking out the podcast. And this podcast is going to have you thinking on levels that you probably haven't thought about in a long time. And we're gonna we're gonna dive into some interesting things. We're gonna talk about God and we're gonna talk about UFOs. Our guest tonight is No Stranger. Tonight, our guest has spent four decades writing, directing, and producing award-winning films. But his latest project takes him somewhere new, straight into the UFO debate. Derek Warfell is an author of uh he is an author of the book called UFO and God. It is my pleasure to welcome to U.S. Phenomenon. Uh, Derek, thank you for taking the time to hang out with us this evening.

SPEAKER_02 1:33

Hey, thank you for having

Why Connect God With UFOs

SPEAKER_02 1:34

me.

Mario 1:34

I really appreciate it. So these two things don't typically go together, right? Uh God and UFO. I mean, most people are typically I think everyone believes that that UFO is kind of in its own kind of spectrum, and you know, your religion and everything else is kind of in its own little thing. What got you down this path?

SPEAKER_02 1:58

Well, uh, you know, I'll be honest about my bias up front. I'm a Christian. I've worked on campus ministries, and then I went to Hollywood and was a film writer and producer for for many years, at least struggling for many years and still struggling at times. Uh, and uh I really didn't spend too much time up dealing with thinking about UFOs. I kind of like everybody else, thought, no, who knows what it is, I don't care. And somewhere around the mid-90s, early 90s, I began to see more and more credible stories coming out from credible people uh who had seen these flying objects that are hard to explain, and then people who had encounters uh with people on these objects, and I didn't have a place for that in my worldview, and I had to I said I better investigate this. Uh, and the more I investigated, it became very obvious. Uh, I picked up a book, uh, I believe it was uh John Angerberg, it said the truth about UFOs, and it just became of course it's obvious. This is this is what obviously is happening here, and and and I guess you know, I needed to put it in a broader context. That all throughout history, every culture, every religion has believed we share this universe with supernatural beings. Uh, the most common thing people know about is ghosts and polargeists, but you can go back to the ancient Near Eastern gods, the ancient Egyptian gods, the Arabic Jinn, the demons during Jesus' day, uh, the Greek and Roman gods. Now, obviously, these supernatural beings, when they first initiated these various things, they were mythologized by the countries to four probably that weren't even recognizable. And first, I don't believe that Thor is up on Mount Olympus throwing lightning bolts. Okay. I, in fact, I I was in Greece about a couple years ago and I went to Mount Olympus and I asked the people, have you ever seen any gods up there? And they said, No. So I don't believe that, but I do believe that we have been uh sharing this universe with supernatural beings for as long as Christian, as long as uh people have been on this earth. And I think every culture and religion has said that. So so I think there's a connection there between the supernatural and God, if you will. And it's only just let me just mention one last thing and I'll cut. Uh, it's only in the 20th century when science became very proud about itself. Um, you know, science basically was just a technology for testing hypotheses, but somewhere in the 20th century, it went beyond that. It became a religion. It became basically, they said, the only thing that exists is the material physical world. Anything beyond that, spirits, spirituality, uh, supernatural, it's all just myths. And I mean, it's like unlike science to eliminate data before you even start, but that's what they did. And now, you know, we have this situation where they're in it they're in a difficult situation because they have to admit that there's something out there that's not something they understand.

Mario 5:09

It's interesting to me because when you start to look at uh we'll just take a snapshot in time. Uh, you know, Mount we'll go back to Kenneth Arnold and the the Mount, you know, the sightings of UFOs uh back you know near Mount Rainier, the incident. And I and see, I like to tie this back to the Pacific Northwest only because I think that uh I think we get robbed in regards to Roswell becoming the capital of UFOs. Yes, absolutely. I always say this that the the Pacific Northwest is home to the most paranormal activity in regards to the first UFO sightings. The first the the the first uh sightings of the men in black were here at the uh Murray Island incident that happened uh just you know around the same time as the um the Kenneth Otter sightings at Mount Rainier. Now, what's interesting, I mean, let's we'll fast forward into the Tic Tac videos that you know now the videos that are starting to show up, and uh the people that are you know, the military individuals that have had the access, or they're like, what is this that we're seeing? Um and everyone talking about Area 51. This stuff is real. I mean, this is I mean, we're talking about and in it, this covers in your book as well in one of your chapters. This stuff is real, right? This is not just some we're starting to see more hard evidence right now.

SPEAKER_02 6:31

Well, I think I think the the thing is, you know, it's like uh just because something isn't physical doesn't mean it isn't real. I mean, I think anybody who's heard about haunted houses and followed some of the the TV shows realize there's real things happening. One of the people we have in uh the interview, a guy, an apologist, uh Greg Kokel said, just because it's physical doesn't mean it isn't real. It's not physical, but it's it's just as real. Um love. Well, let me give it another example. Love. Well, do you have a physical object for love? Not really, but it's real. Uh that there's there's a theory out there in philosophy called the nothing buttery theory, and this gets back to the whole thing about uh physical, the world's only physical. We don't deal with anything else. For example, you go to chalkboard and you start writing a really complicated equation on the board. Somebody walks into the room and says, What do you see? Well, he says, I see chalk and slate. Well, don't you see anything else? No, there's nothing but chalk and slate there. And you say, No, there's a very complicated formula there. There's intelligence there, you know, and and I think the thing is, it's like literally, uh, just because we don't see certain things doesn't mean they aren't real. We see the physical effects of those things, uh, but we don't always see them exactly. Uh so yeah, I I think there's this prejudice in science and even in universities today. I mean, that they ignore the greater picture. Or like when a person dies, I mean, what was it? The the film a couple years ago, 27 grams. Supposedly when a person dies, they they lose 27 grams of weight, right? I mean, is that what the soul is? Is there something else? I mean, if you've read anything about near-death experiences, uh, you know, those those are very real. I mean, in terms of uh, you know, the the memories that people have, the fact that literally after they supposedly flatline, they can walk through the hospital, they can tell you things that are going on in other rooms when their body is still in this other room and it's entirely accurate. Well, how do you explain

Angels, Rebellion, And The Invisible War

SPEAKER_02 8:54

that? There's some really good books about that. I don't fully understand that phenomenon, but I do believe uh that literally, when you say what's the connection between UFOs and God, uh, I believe, and I'm jumping ahead a little bit here, is that um before God created the human race, he created another species. And for lack of a better word, I'm gonna call that species angels. The Bible also calls them stars or watchers or sons of God. But the point is, and this species he created is very, very intelligent, much smarter than us, very, very powerful, much more powerful than us. Uh, in the Bible, it calls humans sheep. Well, sheep are the dumbest animals on the farm, right? Yeah, but he never calls angels sheep, they're very intelligent. Anything we can do, they can do better. Anything we know, they know more about. And uh, so the idea is that if if we can create spacecraft, well, so can they, and they can create stuff that's much better. If we can create robots, look what we can do with robots today. Uh, and go ahead, sorry.

Mario 10:08

I I was gonna ask you, uh, and that correlation within the Bible, talking about humans being sheep and the uh stars being the aliens, is that is that right? How well how does that I mean someone who uh yeah, I'm a fellow Christian, someone who's you know, maybe not that I mean, I I would say I probably tread lightly, I probably more service level, probably shouldn't say that, but uh I I'm a believer, you know. I you know, I have some faith. But I'm like this is new to me, and I'm sure I'm sure there's got to be others who are listening right now, like, wait, what? But and that, and this is why you know I'm so excited to have you on to break this down for us. Like, how does that trend? Like, how am I not known this? Like, I feel like you're giving me the cheat code, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 10:54

Well, I mean, the thing is this most people, I think what we're talking about is the angelic realm. True, God created these beings, and after a certain point in an eternity past, one-third of them, the Bible says this very clearly, rebelled against their creator and have been at war with God and with holy angels and with us ever since. And so that's what you see. The thing that got me started on this was in seminary, I heard about a book by Donald Gray Barnhaus called The Invisible War. And as soon as I heard that, I said, everything just kind of fell into place. I saw what our place was, what we were doing, why God was doing what he was doing, why people were doing what they were doing. Uh, literally, there's this war, and these beings have been fighting against us. Uh, Jesus uses the term to kill, steal, and destroy. That is their goal. And the second, the probably the primary goal is to prove God doesn't have the right to rule. They rebelled against him, they thought they could overthrow the creator, and they have been strategizing how to do that ever since. I could spend an hour just going to that, I won't go into details. But but the point is, you look at all these other supernatural entities throughout all of history and what they have done. Uh, they have enslaved people. Um, the Bible says in another verse that just certain verses just kind of pull the shull the shades apart, you know? One of them is Ephesians 6:12. It says, if you can remember this, it's a big jump. We don't struggle against flesh and blood. Well, that's crazy. I mean, aren't we struggling against the other political parties? Aren't we struggling against Iran? Aren't we struggling against the guy who robbed our house? Aren't we struggling against? No, ultimately, yes, we are in a way, but they're just intermediars. There's forces behind them that are using those people to destroy and to hurt us. You see this most best in the book of Job, where Job basically, his children are attacked by a neighboring tribe because these fallen angels motivated people to come. His children are killed by a roof collapsing on them, not just by chance, but because these powerful beings caused a wind to come or a fire to blow or whatever. And the point is, we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, powers, world forces of darkness, spiritual forces of wickedness in heavenly places. Well, those are four levels of executives in this fallen angelic realm, or what the Bible calls the domain of darkness. And at the top level, there are literally people who are certainly the angels, evil spirits that control leaders. Like, for instance, I firmly believe that Hitler was absolutely controlled by evil spirits. And there's other leaders in the world, more or less. There's the example of this is in the book of uh Daniel, it talks about the prince of Persia. And it's not talking about a human being, it's talking about an angelic majesty that has control over that area that was Persia at the time. And that angelic being was so powerful that he was able to delay the message of an angel of God coming to talk to Daniel for 21 days. So there's different levels. I think what we call demons are probably the lowest levels. They're the foot soldiers. You know, it's like, and most people think, oh, these beings are just stupid things, writhing people on the ground, spitting up pea soup. They're far more intelligence than that. Most people have a picture of demons or fallen angels as little, fat little men in red bite-type bodysuits with a pitchfork and horns. And this is come comes from medieval art, you know, that just no, that that's not what they look like. The Bible talks about angels can look exactly like us if they want to.

Mario 14:55

For example, the angels for everybody here, our guest tonight, uh, someone really, really intriguing this evening. Uh, thank you for taking the time to hang out with us. Our our guest, author, Derek Warfell, the author of the book, UFO and the God Companion, to his documentary. Uh, so you also did a documentary with this as well. Um, but uh UFO and God revealing the deception and truth behind the supernatural, the invisible war. Now, if if you're not, if you haven't seen the haven't read the book, get a copy, get a copy for you, your friends. Uh, I need to read it. I want to watch, I want to, I want to see this, I want to read it. Uh what's interesting to me when we talk about the fallen angels and UFOs and what everything has been going on, I don't want to get too further down the line, but uh in the 60s and and what people have seen, because I'm like trying to like piecemeal a little bit of everything of what we've all been seeing throughout the decades over the last you know, um, you know, X amount of years, over you know, 50 plus years, 60 plus years, 70 plus years of of uh of these sightings.

End Times Caution And Israel

Mario 16:15

What's what's interesting to me, and I know that we'll talk about this a little bit further. Um, and I because this is the the type of show we do, I'm gonna ask you, are we close to end times? Um, you know, I uh that that's something that uh, you know, when we sit when we're having this conversation, it it kind of feels like right now that we're in a very tumultuous time with these wars that are going on, you know, the things, the economy, the earth moving, these quakes, there seems to be a lot of shifting going on uh in present in present times that I, you know, of course, when you're young and little, yeah, your life is carefree, right? But you you you kind of remember these things, you know, the Berlin Wall falling, you know, you're like, all right, this was awesome. But things had changed, but things have continued to evolve. But are we getting closer as you're talking about with this invisible war? Are these guys pushing us to the brink of extinction?

SPEAKER_02 17:12

You know, I mean, you raise a very interesting question. Um, I tread very lightly about trying to predict whether we're in the end times or not. Sure. I believe we absolutely could be, and there's I can give you a good reason for that. But it on the other hand, uh, the Jesus himself says it's not for you to know the times and the epics. There's been so many religious people who've been wrong, and they said it's gonna be today or it's gonna be tomorrow. Literally, this goes this goes back to Augustine when the Goths sacked Rome. They thought this was the end of civilization. Well, of course it wasn't. In a thousand, there's a book by uh Chandler from the LA Times, uh religion many years ago. It's a great book called Doomsday. I didn't know this, but in a thousand AD, there were people gathered where St. Peter's was spare, was being built, that literally expected that Christ was coming back at a thousand AD. Of course, it didn't happen, you know, and then there's there were like I think a million people out of 25 million in this country in the 1940s who followed a godly farmer who said that Jesus was coming back in the 1940s was it one or two, uh, because of some 2300-day prophecy and Daniel. And of course, nothing happened, and a lot of people lost their faith. So I tread very gently on that. Sure. But I do believe uh that there's something that happened in the last you know, century that is completely different than anything else that's happened before, and that is Israel becoming a nation with their own land again for over 2,000 years. This isn't uh people, I mean, most people groups don't last 2,000 years to start with, but this is a group people group that retained their national identity and then got their own land back in what 1948. I mean, people used to joke about say the Bible's not true. Look, they says they're gonna be in the back of the living in Israel. It's a joke, and the Bible prophecy is not true, and then against all odds, they became a people living in a land again. Uh, you know, and and it's like literally, I remember there's this story about Napoleon who you know basically was arguing with the Archbishop of France, and he said, You religious people, show me a miracle, show me a miracle. And without saying a word, the archbishop just turned and pointed to one of his top generals who was Jewish. You know, why aren't the Jewish people wiped out? You know, and the point is Napoleon couldn't say anything. So I think we see this thing in 1948, something that hasn't happened for 2,000 years, that the Bible indicates has to happen. It has to happen because it's the prophecy of the dry bones that Israel will be regathered as a secular nation and then will become inanimated with religious life, uh, that the temple will be rebuilt. Well, that's impossible right now because the Dome of the Rock, the second holiest place in Islam, is on where the temple needs to be rebuilt. And so, you know, that hasn't happened yet. There's a lot of things that haven't happened yet. Uh, so you know, I don't know. I mean, um, I do believe that we're going to see, you know, another fact is this whole thing with UFOs. Yeah, there is a prophecy in the book of 2 Thessalonians. I mean, the question is if these angels, if these fallen angels are so powerful, why don't they just rule the world right now? I mean, I mean, if they're that strong, if they're that, you know, I think, and the Bible in 2 Thessalonians says there's something restraining evil in the world today. As evil as the world is, it's gonna get a lot worse, you know, and there's something restraining. And at a certain point, when he who restrains is taken away, then the Antichrist will be revealed. Well, that hasn't happened, yeah.

Men In Black And Dark Entities

Mario 21:30

So would the since they rebelled, would they make that them the fallen angels? Because they would they be would they then be the demons at that point? The aliens would then would they be the demons? Yes.

SPEAKER_02 21:43

I mean, basically, when I as I said, I I I hesitate to use the demons because people have a very sure you know this right renaissance arts. Basically, I use the word domain of darkness. Okay, the fallen nature. It's the entire fallen angelic realm, and there's different. Types of positions and duties and powers within that realm. Just, I mean, and appearances as well. In the book I pointed out, there you you look through the book. I have some diagrams in the book of what people said they've seen. Uh that you know, let me see if I got some pictures here. Um, that literally there's Nordics who look exactly like humans to a large extent. Uh, then there's the Anunnaki, uh the men in black, as you've mentioned. Uh John, John Keel. I mean, we normally think of men in black as being all CI agents or something. Right. But no, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, the point is, John Keel, when he went to West Virginia, talked about men in black encounters, and he didn't describe them as human beings. He said they're very clumsy in the way they walk, they have very thick black hold sold shoes. They know things about people that they shouldn't know. It's almost like they have superior knowledge. Now, there are government angels who who have been trying to cover up all this UFO stuff, don't get me wrong. But the real men in black, and the that goes along with that, there's another group, uh I can't list all of them, but uh called black-eyed children. I don't know if you've ever heard of that. No, I don't know. But people will run across these basically 10, 12, maybe 14, I'd say 12-year-olds, uh, and they're dressed in black, their eyes are completely black, there's no cornea. And people who run into them will say it's like they're looking into the face of evil, uh, and they just walk away. I mean, they they then they they they kind of talk like so. There was one guy who was going across West Texas, you know, because if you've been in West Texas, the midnight, there's nothing there. I mean, it's desolate. And he's driving a pickup truck. This is a pretty strong guy, and he he basically, you know, there's no bet, Rathram. So he pulled off the side of the road to take a leak, you know, and he comes back to his truck, and they're in the middle of nowhere, and there's this 12-year-old boy dressed in black with black eyes, and he says, Invite me into your truck and we'll go for a ride. And the guy's like freaking out, like what? I mean, it did make sure it gives you chills. And and he feels bad because it's a kid, you can't leave a kid here, and and and and he says, What? I I don't you have parents or something? Or do you live near here? Or the kids, invite me into your truck and we'll take a ride. And he said, Kid, I I I don't think I can help you. He gets in the truck and drives off. And after driving a little way, he says, You know, I gotta go back. That the kid's stuck out there. I gotta go back. He goes back, there's no one there. You know, I mean, and and there's other people who've run into these beings. There's supernatural beings that have occurred throughout all of history, they're all part of the angelic realm. I mean, look at the variety, even in the human realm. We've got giants, we've got midges, we've got handicaps. Look at the huge, God creates with huge variety, look at the huge variety in the animal realm. I went into an aquarium in uh, where was it? This was in California, it was in Long Beach, and they had some seahorses. I've always been interested in seahorses, and they said there's 40 varieties of seahorses. I'm thinking, why do we need 40 types of seahorses? God delights in diversity, you know, and so I think that you see the same thing. Why would you not expect to see a huge diversity in the angelic realm and in the fallen angelic realm? And uh, you know, if you look in Revelation 4 and 5, the throne room of heaven, you're gonna see angels there that don't look anything like what you see in Renaissance art. Right. So, so anyway, so so I I I kind of got off the topic. I forget what you were asking. No, no, no.

Mario 25:55

It's interesting. Our our our guest tonight, author uh Derek Warfell, uh author of UFO and God. Um, what's interesting when we were just talking about the different species and things like that, and and I always have to bring it up because I'm from the Pacific Northwest and and I'm I'm sure everywhere else. But I mean, if if we're going down this realm, I know a lot of people have talked about uh I think of if I was to believe in Sasquatch, like you know, uh I I there are people that believe that Sasquatch are cloaking, you know, they don't they're not from this universe. There are there are individuals that think that that Sasquatches are aliens. I've heard that. Uh they're not from here. Uh, I've also heard that some individuals have said that they are demons um in in that realm. But uh, you know, uh when I am to um the way I like to consume my uh my paranormal content, my Bigfoot to me or Sasquatch is indigenous to the planet. I feel that's how I interpret. Um I I you know, if there's ghosts and things, I have not had that uh had those encounters. Um I haven't seen, you know, I haven't seen a Bigfoot. I've not had an alien or a UFO encounter, but I have had people come up to me after they find out that I am I host the show, have shared the same type of story, and uh, these two individuals don't know each other, but the stories are so similar that they're driving somewhere and they see this UFO. Same, I was like, this is the same story. Like the same story told to me, and that these two individuals don't know each other. It's so I find it so interesting to hear that two people that are probably worlds apart from each other sharing the same story about driving somewhere and having an encounter with uh an extraterrestrial uh UFO or it's UAP, um, but the same story. Interesting to me. When when we talk about aliens versus angels, I know this is one of your chapters. How would one individual who's just consuming like let's just say someone's tuning in right now or just check turning on the radio and they're like, what in the heck are these guys talking about? Why would be the correlation with the angel? And I know you said this earlier on the and the first half of the show. Um, you were talking about angels versus or aliens.

SPEAKER_02 28:25

Where why why did you decide to put a whole chapter about the the the two uh about about angels and things like aliens, yeah. Yeah, because I think basically, as I said, I think this is they all started out as holy angels, okay, and one-third of them rebelled against God, and their goal from that point on was to overthrow God somehow, or to prove He doesn't have the right to rule, and the way you do that is you divide and conquer. Let me just give you one example how you might try that. Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came to earth. That's what his Christians believe, right? Okay, he went to fast into the desert for 40 days and nights and was extremely weak. At that point, it says Satan or Lucifer, which is really his name, came to tempt Jesus. One of the temptations was you know, Jesus knew that men needed to be saved, he knew that he had to pay for their sins, he was going to have to go to the cross, something he didn't know one would want to do, but he realized he had to do it. And Satan came along, he says, Look, you see all these kingdoms of the world, because the Bible calls Satan the ruler of this world. When man decided to follow Satan in the garden, he turned the rights to this world over to Satan. The Bible calls Satan the ruler of this world, the prince of the power of the air. And Satan says, I can give you these kingdoms of the world. You do not have to go to the cross, just bow down and worship me. Okay, so there's the bargain. Now Jesus does not dispute that Satan has rule over this world, he didn't dispute that, but he said, Worship the Lord your God and serve him only. In other words, Satan was trying to separate God the Father from God the Son. He was trying to set, divide, and conquer the Trinity. I mean, this that's and this has been going, this is why, you know, I mean, it sounds horrible, but why did why why did Hitler pick the Jewish people? I mean, you can give sociological reasons, but throughout all of history, the Jewish people have been persecuted perhaps more than any other during the Crusades, during the pogroms, during the uh, you know, that World War II with Hitler, because God has made certain promises to the Jewish people. If those promises can be broken, God can be proved not to be God. And so literally, there are promises that will be fulfilled. They would probably say, Well, you know, God choose someone else for a while. You know, I mean, it's like we we've suffered enough for you to keep in your promises. But but I think the bottom line is this that that is everything in the world starts to make sense when you see what the goal of these beings is, and uh so yes, so it so the con there is a connection between UFOs and God. UFOs, I mean, the pro think about this all throughout history, Satan's rule has been trying to get people not to follow God. Okay, how do UFOs play a part in that? Well you have these UFO beings coming down, and basically they have people wouldn't be interesting to know if you had somebody who had all the knowledge of what's going on that you would ask them, who are we, why are we here, what what what's our purpose, right? You have these beings who have technology maybe a thousand years advanced from us. They can their spaceships can do things we can't even dream of. They can go between 40,000 and 200,000 miles an hour, over 10 to 20 times faster than ever fastest jets. Supposing if they've gone from other galaxies, they can do things we can't do. Uh, they can, there's just so many things that they can do. Why are we still listening to this itinerant, dusty evangelist called Jesus that lived 2,000 years ago? And people ask them, Well, you must know all the answers to the universe. And you know what they say they are? They say, first of all, there's not a personal God who created us. In other words, we're the ones who seated you here in the first place. We're your gods. Secondly, if there's no personal God, then there's no way to sin against him. And if there's no sin, there's no judgment day. If there's no judgment day, there's no need for a savior. If there's no need for a savior, Jesus is not the Son of God. And the goal to life is basically reincarnation will help you elevate to finally to the highest level. And as I said, they say that they're the ones that seeded us here in the first place. And you even start to see that in films. Uh like Alien, I just was watching recently, what was it? Moonfall basically said that there's some intelligent race from another galaxy that seeded human life here in the first place. And and that's that's what they say. So their goal is to get people not to follow God, to discredit Jesus, to discredit Christianity. And this is where how do we know who they are?

UFO Messages And The Deception Claim

Mario 33:46

Uh uh, Derek or uh our guest tonight, hanging out with us, uh, part of being on the radio show and on the podcast. You're gonna want to listen to the full podcast experience. If you're not listening, if you're listening to us on the radio experience, you're getting a radio experience, a short and condensed version of the podcast. Listen to the entire podcast by going to our favorite podcasting platform or yours. Uh, all you have to do is search US Phenomenon with Mario Magania, or super simple, go to my website, onairmario.com, click on the podcast button, and you can subscribe that way as well. Our guest tonight, author of UFOs and God, uh Derek Warfare uh Warfell. Let me ask you this. When you were just talking about uh the deception here, I uh you know it's interesting that you say this, and I've heard this a little bit on social media, uh, not so much, but the discredit of Jesus Christ and um uh that what if the aliens were the ones that really did build human the human race? Yeah put the book, the Bible here to keep us from you know becoming feral and you know and destroying ourselves, but giving us this got this book to guide us from to to to create some type of rule around us to give us some type of you know guidance in regards to like let's give them some structures so they don't just go you know heave hoven through the rest of you know becoming heathens or these you know just just uh uh you know giving some type of guidance to kind of control the human race. And that essentially that's what you were just saying just a few minutes ago as we were as you were talking about, and it made me think about this. I was like, wow, is this possible? Could I mean as you're talking about the deception? Because you're starting to see uh uh the discredit of people thinking that maybe the aliens are the ones that created the human race and get put us on this planet, and said, and this could be totally, you know, look at Area 51. We're gonna give them a nugget, uh, we're gonna give them a fallen spaceship so they can reverse engineer it, give us carbon fiber, give us uh metals, uh precious metals that and I always think this too, and and we'll go back, and I I I always ask, I'm like, how do we go from automobile, you know, horse carriages all the way up to advanced you know, cell phones of today's technology, where you're like you can have everything at at your disposal right in your hand. It is so interesting to me to see the light year jump that we have taken from the 50s all the way up to you know 2026 and and and you know, with everything that we've gone through. So that's where you can start to see where you you know you can see other individuals who may not be believers in Christ might say, Oh, yeah, that that's totally possible. You know, that's plausible that aliens were the ones that gave us this technology and we reverse engineered it. Um, and so you're starting to I I have seen people say that. Uh not that I was like, ah, I mean, yeah, it's possible. I mean, it's anything's possible if you don't believe, you know, I mean, you don't, I mean, like you said, love, you can't, you know, you know, it's not a you know, it's it's very interesting when you start to think about the tangibles. You I mean, you you're a believer in Christ, I'm a believer in Christ. You it's not here in front of me, you know what I mean? Like it's in a different realm. So I could see where the that this could happen where I mean, I mean, if these guys are that smart, they're doing, they're doing, I don't I don't want to say they're doing God's work, but they're doing work to decide to to put deception to keep your eye off the prize. So um, as we you know, as we continue going through here on the radio show and on podcast, what's interesting to me about all of this on you know the times that we do live in now, the pandemic um that we've had. Um, I was like, wow, does I was like, and and at that point, I that's when the show started. When I started doing the show, I was like, man, someone really doesn't want us on this planet anymore.

SPEAKER_02 38:03

Well, you know, I I mean there are people out there in politics who think that the limit of humans on the planet should be 500 million and we need to calm it down. Uh, maybe the best way to do it is a pandemic, you know. I mean, I I I uh I I think that, you know, essentially the as I said, these are very intelligent beings. We tend to un we we have these joke pictures of what demons or this fallen angelic realm are. Let me give you one example. Um, I heard this before and I had to check it up. And I think there's corporations that are covering it up because they don't want us to understand it. But the whole idea of the photocopier, okay, the carbon photocopier, uh, the guy who invented it was a guy who played around with mediums and trying to, uh Chesterton who tried to, you know, contact beings, or I won't say seances, but kind of you know, contact spirits. And they in the process kind of guided him to create the photocopier. And it was so advanced, he took it in, he wrote the plans up, took it in to patent it, and the patent office wouldn't patent it, said looks, this isn't gonna work. And he says, Okay, tell you what, I'll I'll go back, I'll I'll diagram it better. So he took back, diagrammed it better, went into greater detail, wrote it up, took it in, they still wouldn't do it. And finally, he went back, built the machine, took it into the patent office, and showed them it worked. In other words, it's so advanced they couldn't imagine it. There's uh Indian mathematician who didn't have much formal training who came up with incredible uh, how can I say, mathematical discoveries? I'm gonna forget his name. I don't think I can pronounce it. But basically, uh, and he was lauded and he said that he got his discoveries in a dream from a Hindu goddess. You know, there's these beings throughout all of history that have been giving knowledge to mankind. Uh, Edward Casey, the sleeping prophet, you know, he's a guy with an eight-gate education, a photographer, and he would go into a trance and he would diagnose illnesses and come up with cures that didn't even exist at the time. You know, and so the concept is these beings have been feeding knowledge to the human race, but there's always a cost. There's always something they want back in return. Uh, the word con man, uh, they're the best con man in the universe. Uh, con doesn't stand for conflict, it stands for confidence. They build confidence, our confidence in them, by giving us things. You know, that's what a con man does. He gets you to trust him, and then basically he rips you off. And uh I think that you see that in the films that you see coming out. I I mean, you know, I'm I'm a filmmaker, so a lot of this is just fiction, right? You try to come up with an idea that you think is interesting and you make stuff up. Uh, so I I'm not saying the films are accurately portraying what's actually happening, but you talk to people who, and that's the one thing about our film that is really different than a lot of others. We actually interview people who've had contact with these beings. And, you know, that sounds crazy, but they have. And uh, what have you learned? What was what was it like? What did they say? What did they do? I mean, wouldn't you be interested if you could have on your podcast an alien come on and you can start asking you questions? Well, the point is, these people did that. And uh, you know, and we tried to get that videotaped what they were told. And if you want to read a really good book on that from a Christian, is a guy called Jim Sparks. It's called The Keepers. He said he was been abducted hundreds of times, and he says, What did they tell him? Uh, Travis Walton's another one. Whitley Streber, although, you know, there's things about that, he he gains some financial benefits from that, so you don't know how much is true. Certainly Adamski uh, you know, had benefit from that financial, so you don't know how much what he's saying is true. But the people we contacted are people generally who don't want to talk about it because they think people are gonna laugh at them, they're gonna be ostracized.

Mario 42:27

So it's interesting you say this because I had one individual who came on with his uh hip hypnotist. Uh she hypnotized him and was able to get out that this individual uh had been abducted multiple times uh and that he uh was a part of the gray species, is what he told us. And that um the uh they called the the gray Fred is his is what they referred to the gray as. And to me, I was like, Well, it's not my experience, you know what I mean? I don't it's their word. I don't, I'm just taking for for face value what they're sharing their their firsthand experience on this situation. Now, for me, someone who I try to be as I try not to like dive into people's stuff, look, watch too much TV because I want to be able to just ask normal questions that maybe someone would like to you know ask. You know, I try not to go down the realms of a lot of the stuff, but I like a lot of the stuff that you I definitely know Whitley, but there's a lot of the stuff that I tried to avoid. But now what's interesting to me is is his story true or did he read something else and they were trying to profit off of that? You you know, you know what I mean? Like, I I don't know. I mean, it was just an interesting story, and there was a part where I actually had to tell them like. Okay, that's that's a little too graphic. I don't need we don't like I don't know that the average consumer wants to uh like the average listener wants to hear at the water cooler, you know, about your abduction, that you were married, that you guys were some type of you had a relationship together. Interesting to me. But he said that his daughter was also abducted, things of that nature. So um we've had him on a couple times um um to share a story, um, and that he was here uh and that he'll eventually go back to being a gray, I guess, is what he shared with us. Um I I couldn't tell you what I was trying to understand his purpose on why he was here on this planet and what his purpose on you know having com conversations of what was what was the purpose of him being on Earth? Why did he go from being an alien, a gray alien, to be uh here on this planet? So he they they really didn't he didn't really we didn't get that out of the in the two interviews that we got. So it's interesting to me that that and this is something that's also in your your book, you talk about um about abductions, uh, UFOs and uh an abduction. So uh as I talked about, you know, this individual who had been abducted, um how common is it? I mean, because I I don't know anybody uh that has been abducted, but uh what are we looking at here? I mean, are we gonna see more abductions in the future? And I'm not trying to like I'm I'm not trying to be facetious or like joke around, but like in in the book you talk about it. How what what what why is this happening?

SPEAKER_02 45:36

Yeah,

Abductions, Hypnosis, And Spiritual Danger

SPEAKER_02 45:37

I think uh basically I guess desensitization. Uh-huh. Uh that makes sense. The idea, uh, just hold on, let's try to get the A B. Um there was Dr. John Mack, who's a Harvard psychiatrist who almost was kicked out of Harvard because of this. He started interviewing a couple hundred people who said they'd been through these induction experiences and tried to see if you know what was their psychosis, what was leading them astray, what was causing the problems in their their lives. And uh he couldn't find that they were anything but normal people who had experiences. You know, now your friend who said he was a gray alien. I I wouldn't say he was my friend, but he was someone that we interviewed. Well, not your friend, but I mean your the person you've interviewed. Sure. Uh I I would say to me, I I don't see that the gray aliens become humans and then go back. It's possible, as I said, you know, as remember, this is demonic influence or oppression, that possibly they were guided by these you know supernatural beings and almost felt that their identity was one with them. You know, like in the Bible, when somebody was possessed, uh like the Garadine demoniac, when Jesus talked to them, he says, What's your name? And he says, We're Legion. Well, the man wasn't Legion, the demons that were possessing him were Legion. So it's possible that you know he was, how can I say, being controlled by these beings. I mean, it's interesting in the Spielberg film, uh Disclosure Day, yeah, you know, you see this woman who seems to have a separate identity, but at a certain point, her identity is being taken over by this being who's just guiding her. And she even says that she is a passenger, you know, that literally, so it's possible that this person, you know, was so identified with this alien who was guiding him for years, and then the alien says, Well, I'm gonna leave and go back to where I was. Uh, I I, you know, there's a lot about this whole thing I don't understand. But the one thing I want to leave with your viewers is this is very dangerous. It's very, very dangerous. You're dealing with fallen demonic beings who goal is to kill, steal, and destroy. That is what they want to do. And they don't care if you get in their way, they will just use you and abuse you. Now, they may give you benefits initially, just like a lot of people in the occult. People who get into the occult, it's the same realm. You talk about the paranormal. I personally believe that the entire paranormal supernatural realm is all related, and it's interesting to me that even in ancient aliens, the TV series, sure, they are they are starting to say it's all related. And I believe it is, it's all related to this domain of darkness, it's just in different aspects of it, and uh they are there to try to get you again, it gets back to this war, this invisible war, to get you away from God, and it's very dangerous because it can destroy you. As soon as you invite other spirits into your life, you are going to be affected by them. And there's a thing, people in the abduction thing, they will say to you, once you've been abducted or once you've been possessed or oppressed or whatever the word is, you can't make it stop except for one thing, and this kind of gives it away. There's one thing that can make it stop, and that is if you call on Jesus' name, and you're going, Why would that make it stop? You know, unless it's somehow related to this invisible war. That most people don't know when they look, they say Jesus is resurrected from the dead, but a lot more happened than that. It says that after he was resurrected, he was raised up and seated with God the Father in the heavenly places, far above all rule, all authority, all power, and every name that's named, not only in this age, but the age to come. In other words, he's head over everything, so they have to obey, and if they don't obey, they're going in the abyss. I mean, basically, so that should tell you who these beings are, that you don't want to mess with them. I have two chapters in the several, I think it's three chapters in the book about spiritual warfare. I didn't plan to write a book on spiritual warfare, I just wanted to write about UFOs, but I found that I had to, I had to talk about that. What do you do if somebody says, hey, there's a UFO outside? Do you go outside and look at it? And my suggestion is that you don't. First of all, 99 times out of 100, it's not a real UFO. It's something else. It's it's uh what is it, like swamp gas, planets, flocks of birds, balloons, blimps, aircraft, you know, hoaxes. I mean, so it's 99 times out of 100, it's a natural thing. So you're not really missing anything. And the 1% of the time it isn't, the one thing people will tell you when they see a UFO, there's flashing lights along the edge of the UFO. Well, I don't believe these guys do that just for entertainment. You know that uh for epileptics, that uh strobe lights can send off into fits. Perhaps they have figured out a way to use flashing lights to bring people into a semi-hypnotic mode. Uh you know, and I and I I just and it's fine, you find people who've stopped, gotten out of their cars, and just watched these things, all of a sudden they have gaps of time in their memory. It's like it's gone. Or, like you said, the person you put under hypnosis, and all of a sudden they start remembering things that they they'd lost time. And uh there was a guy who basically said that if you've studied hypnosis, you understand people who put under hypnosis have lost time in their memory. So I I just I don't know, maybe that's not what's happening, but I gotta say, don't even take the chance. These are the best con men in the universe, and they will trick you.

Mario 52:12

And and the other thing is before we leave, before we go, as you're talking about, the cheat code is if you feel like you've been abducted, you gotta call for Jesus Christ, you gotta use Jesus Christ's name, call for him, and this will make this thing stop for those who may have had encounters. Um and and something also that I wanted to bring up because you talked about the occult, and the first thing that came to my mind was like, you know, they always talk about everyone's drinking the Kool-Aid, or you know, you talk about David Koresh and some of these Hitler. Um, do you feel like those were also uh people that may have that that this these individuals may have had encounters with these uh maybe they weren't they thought they were having an encounter with Jesus Christ because they were you know they were preaching the word, but I mean I I don't know. I just I it's so interesting that people would follow into these do you call them cults or these religious, you know what I mean? The these groups are just I don't know. It just it it throws me off a little bit because uh you go to church and you just don't see a lot of that going on, and I'm just like well, you know.

SPEAKER_02 53:20

I mean, the Bible talks about that even Satan himself can disguise himself as an angel of light, and so I would not be surprised that people who are quote unquote religious are also susceptible to fall for this, that they have seen what they think is an appearance of either Jesus or some angelic being, and that they're doing the right thing, although inside they should know that something's not quite right. Let me give an example of one of the guys and the producers on our film was involved in an exorcism, and he talked to a person who is possessed, and it was a process that went on for a while, but in the process, this spirit reached out to my friend and said, you know, we can make you famous. He was a writer and he wasn't famous at that point. We can make you famous, we can make you give you a lot of money. I mean, he's not making this up. I mean, this is an offer that was made to him if you only follow us, and it didn't say you had to give up his Christianity, it didn't say you had to, so you know, it's like their their prime thing is if they can get somebody who claims to be a Christian on their side, oh my gosh, you know, I mean that's like a big hit for them. Uh so yeah, so I mean, you know, I I I I hesitate. I mean, you look at, you know, I don't want to make a lot of enemies here, but you look at Joseph Smith, whether he did or not, he said it was an angelic being who came to him who gave him the Book of Mormon. Sure. Uh in uh Islam, they say they say Islam was uh Muhammad was proached by the angel Gabriel, who gave him, they say, because the thing they'll say is look, could could an old camel driver have written the that you know the uh the Quran? Uh and it's possible that some superior being did dictate a lot to that then, but it certainly wasn't uh, you know, from what we understand, the angel that was following God.

Mario 55:21

I mean, that could be spiritual warfare as you were talking about earlier.

SPEAKER_02 55:24

Yeah, I yeah, so I don't want to offend all the people that are following. But but but on the other hand, I'm saying, you know, you need to be careful. The Bible says test the spirits, even the spirits who say they're from Jesus or from other things, because if they deny the gospel, God the Father is one God, there's one God, Jesus is his son, Jesus died on the cross for your sins, and you cannot work for salvation as a gift, it's only a gift, and you have to follow Jesus. No, no angel can say those things. No angel, if the Bible says that the angels uh believe there is one God, but they tremble and they don't teach that.

AI As Oracle And Final Resources

Mario 56:11

Yeah, as we get close to wrapping things up here, we got a few minutes left. But uh, in your last chapter, you talk about what I mean. This has got to be like, as I said earlier, the reason why this show exists, probably not the only reason, but end times, you know, the year 2000, things of that nature. Where does prophecy AI where does that where is that heading us? Is this is AI gonna end us? You know, are we getting close to I and I'm not saying that you're gonna you're predicting end times, but are we heading down a path with that with AI, you know?

SPEAKER_02 56:44

Well, you hear the word oracle. Oracle is when you basically you go to somebody who has all the answers. It used to be Einstein, right? Uh, it used to be somebody who's who's the most knowledgeable person. Well, the most knowledgeable person is gonna be AI. And you know, the point is uh AI is programmed. I mean, people say it's not. At this point, it's not so much, it's just gathering all this information. But if everybody starts to trust AI for everything, anybody who disagrees with AI is gonna be out. I mean, look at what happened during COVID. You have Fauci up there, I am science, and if you take the vaccine, you won't get the get the uh the uh COVID and you won't be able to pass it on. He was the Oracle at that time. And you know, the point was, and people who disagreed with him lost their medical license, were thrown out of hospitals, people were ostracized, people, you know, lost political campaigns. I think that I'm not trying to deal with the Fauci thing right now, but just to give you an idea, when something reaches the level of being an oracle in society as the final answer, uh I think when AI gets to that point, no one's gonna be allowed to disagree with it. And people who will are gonna be completely ostracized. And so, yeah, I think there's a real danger there. And the fact that, you know, I think you need to understand that these, as I said, these angelic beings are the most intelligent in all the universe. They certainly know how to manipulate computers to get the outcome that they want. And so, yeah, I think there is probably, I mean, I'm speculating here, I don't know for sure, but obviously the goal is to force people to only accept one source of information, you know.

Mario 58:42

Uh yeah, I mean you're funny.

SPEAKER_02 58:45

When that happens, and when that happens, oh my gosh, Katie barred the door, you know.

Mario 58:50

I mean, it has been a treat and honor to have you uh hang out with us for the last hour. If you are listening to us on one of our radio affiliates, K-O-S-W, K-A-P-Y-R flagship station here in Seattle, KVI, you're gonna want to go listen listen to the entire podcast by going to my website, onairmario.com, or go to your favorite podcasting platform and search U.S. Phenomenon with Mario Magania. Our guest tonight, Derek Warfell, the author of the book UFO and God, also has a documentary that you can also see. Where can they see this documentary?

SPEAKER_02 59:30

Yes, it's just gonna be online, it's not gonna be in theaters. Uh, just go to UFOs and God.com. It has all the information there. It's coming out September 11th. The book is coming out in two weeks, UFOsandgodbook.com. And you can go there and you can order from Barnes and Noble, and it's uh on pre-order right now. So yeah, enjoy it.

Mario 59:52

We'll have all the links posted in the podcast if you didn't get a chance to write that down. So all the information will be available. And we thank you so much, uh, Derek, for taking the time to hang out with us this evening. Uh, what an honor and what a treat. Thank you for taking the time to hang out with us for our entire team, Sofia Magania and myself, Mario Magania. Be sure to look up to the sky because you never know what you might see. Good night.