Hey, what's up Vermont in this week's show we talk about seven of them dogs Halloween for refugees stoop culture punny celebrities the misty crystal debacle and so much more Welcome to Vermont catch up with Matt. I'm Matt glow. I'm glow and I'm Adam We are a weekly rundown of everything happening in the Green Mountain State Look, sometimes the national days. There's lots of stuff to pick from Sometimes there's nothing So, happy National Vanilla Cupcake Day. Today's the nothing day, huh? Well, like, it's also like a Marine Corps birthday, stuff like that, but we're not really like a rah-rah military show, you know? I don't know, like... We're not a rah-rah vanilla... Cupcake? Cupcake. You know, someone's listening and they're like, fuck yeah, finally, my day, vanilla cupcakes, finally, the thing that I love the most. When is the last time you ate a cupcake? I don't like cupcakes because they're so unsatisfying What do you mean unsatisfying like you cupcake you're like now I want another cupcake There's no like then like there's no like end right until you get like it's like it's not enough and then too much I'm not a never been a big cupcake fan. No even chocolate ones messy. They're messy I hate pulling those things that you know the paper things that they are made and how do they come in those little outfits? Because it's then easier to pop out of the pan I guess but still you don't really need that if you just use enough grease Need more grease Yeah, I don't know like yeah cupcakes. I'm not my thing Not a big cake guy in general. Yeah, I'm not a big cake person. No, I like more luscious stuff luscious Creamy, like ice cream, like flourless cake that we had for my birthday and always. The clinger Sonic cake? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That kind of stuff that I like, but dry cake like the wedding stuff, nah. I always try to get as much of the icing as possible just because the cake itself is boring. On the opposite, I feel like the icing is like. That's crappy too. I think I'm just like, am I actually getting diabetes right now? Oh yeah, that's how it is. It needs a lot of sugar. Yeah. And especially cheap cakes. They're not gonna have like the buttercream. They're not gonna have real dairy. They're gonna have some crap. What about an ice cream cake? It's really the same. It's ice cream, really. That's all, just shaped into a cake. Carvel, yeah. Fudgy the whale. Fudgy the whale. It's all right, yeah. I mean. You ever buy cake just for yourself? No. No, me neither. That's silly. Why? Actually, I have seen somebody buy like this gigantic thing at Costco and it was just for himself. Remember the person? How do you know? Because he was with us. Oh, he's with you? Yeah, he made me buy this cake. Did he have them decorated for him? No, no. I think it was a cheesecake too. Yeah, it was a big cheesecake. I said, man, you got company? He goes, no, this is for me. Well, cheesecake, you can eat on that for weeks, right? I don't think that was his plan. It's like a one-night extravaganza? He was a bigger fella. Yeah, he was, yeah. I like carrot cake. I mean, yeah, but like, that's not even a cake, it's almost like a health food. Right, but I wouldn't go out of my way to accept the Sonic cake, you know? It shouldn't even be called cake, the Sonic cake. It should be chocolate. Dense chocolate innovation. Mmm, it's not a tart. I don't know. Yeah Tarts are good. I like tarts Again because they're usually Juicy like has fruit or some other creamy thing. Tarts are sweet, right? They're not tart Well, why are we that's a good question. Why do we call them tarts? well What do you have to say to yourself, tart boy? I'm sure the English came up with that. They used to call women tarts. That's what I was thinking. When I hear tart, I immediately think like woman of the knights or whatever, right? I think that's what it was at one time, but I don't know. How does that equate to like a little flaky, fruity dessert? Cupcakes are also known as fairy cakes. That's what makes it even worse. What part of the world is that that is like that must be like a Scottish thing or something patty cakes I don't I never heard The only thing that's written in this story I Guess that explains then that patty cake thing you do with your hands when you cake bakers See, I never did it. Sorry, so I don't make me cake as fast as you can. Yeah, patty cake patty cake bakers Baker man. Baker man? Baker man. Are we talking Jive? Hey, Baker man. Bake me cake as fast as you can, Baker man. What the fuck is that? You never did that, Glo? You never patty caked? I know we did something, but I don't remember. I only remember patty cake, and that's as far as I can go. You ever see the kids, I don't even need to do them anymore, because they're the youths. But like back in the day, like especially the girls, like when I was a kid, they'd like have all those hand slabs They're like Cinderella, whatever, like have some crazy story rhyme that they were doing. It's like wow Yeah, we didn't have that when I was a kid. Yeah, they're It's like, you know, you think I just imagine like a camera looking at them doing this intricate Synchronized memorized thing and pans over to like the boys who are just like eating dirt and punching each other Sounds about right. Yep. All right, let's move on enough of vanilla cupcakes How'd y'all enjoy that snow for snow the season first real snow the season? No, I did not like it Okay It was depressing and where we were we I only had sneakers. Oh, did you not know was coming? I did I did The day before it gets... I'm usually the one who knows. Y'all ain't talking. Were you in the same spot? I forgot. No, not that one night actually. Yeah, but... Anyway, but I get it emails with weather advisories and on Tuesday, yeah, I got one. And I meant to tell Matt, but I figured he's always on top of weather. He would know, but I ignored it anyway. I still didn't stop home and pick up a pair of boots first. I just figured the weather had not Changed in a week. It wasn't gonna change. Yeah, it was just this dreary November But yeah, you didn't tell me I didn't know I got up I found out when I got up the dogs will these dogs are taking care of they started barking at 430 in the morning Cuz the snow I think they wanted to go out and play in it. Really? They love playing in it. So I get up I go It was snowing Yeah They got worse like progressively like from 430. Yeah. Yeah. I was I was caught off guard I thought it was gonna be like a light dusting, it won't even stick. You know, flash forward, I'm driving my wife to work at five in the morning, like, fuck. And it was pretty bad then. Because you could see the streets where we were. You know, they looked slippery. Yeah, they were very slippery that morning. And like the guy said on the radio, it's always the first snowfall, people forget how to drive. Yeah. Well, you got new Vermonters, who were just like, what are we doing, what is this? Yeah, there was a few rollovers on the interstate. and stuff, as there always is. How much of that could be solved by people just going 10 miles an hour slower? Right. You know what I mean? I always say, why are you speeding? Either you're going somewhere where you're the most important person, and they will wait for you, or you are not important, and it doesn't fucking matter if you're there in time. Like, what's the scenario? Either way, don't rush. When I used to have to go out to the interstates because of work, It just boggled my mind how fast people drove. It was crazy. You know, it was so unsafe for everybody. For snow, early, earlier than usual, right? Yeah. Usually it's after Thanksgiving. Or Thanksgiving. Or Thanksgiving. Or Thanksgiving, yeah, right around Thanksgiving. Yeah, that was early. I mean, Thanksgiving week. Yep. Yeah. For here, it is. Yeah. Middlesex did see snow in October. They can say, like, Antarctica. It's not early. Way up there in the Yukon. Vladivostok. They've already had theirs. Alright, so Chico Snow, there's a bit of an, what do you call this, an expose, Matt? Yep. In seven days about the road salt and how it's polluting our waterways. Going on forever, too. Well, they used to use sand, predominantly. Sand? Years ago, yeah. All right. I'm a fairly new snow driver. So when were they using sand? Many years ago. Back when I... Gloves looking at you like you're crazy. No, man. They used sand for a long time. They mix it with something? No, they just throw it out there just like they do the salt. They use little trucks. Okay. Like sawdust or sand? But it really made a mess. Yeah. It was terrible. All that stuff on the bottom of your car. Now it's just old salt. That's what... What is the blue stuff? That's some fake salt, I think, isn't it? That's gotta be worse than anything, right? Yeah, I would think so, but isn't that the one that prides itself as being the ecological friendly salt? I don't know, I'm not sure. Not sure either. This story is about salt salt. Actually, they have some new mixture. Maybe that's the blue stuff, but they mention it as being gray here and talking about how like they're trying to collect it and put it and like burn it or convert it into brine. And then do what? What do you do with the brine? Put olives in it? Yeah, yeah, that's it. Pickles. A little cucumber. Well, and the story says it used 2,120 tons of sand in 2022. So you're right. Yeah. All right, Matt, like, sorry. But I thought they weren't using it anymore, but I guess they are so It seems like like the big quote here is salt is a pollutant, but a necessary evil I don't know like is it like what if you all just were like, you know what it's snowing everyone just stay home. Yeah Except for then you have doctors and nurses and you know people like that. They do need to yeah But I mean that stuff is like life so that okay, obviously some of that stuff's life and death But a lot of it's like, I got to get this skin thing removed, right? I know. Stay home. Yeah. Do it tomorrow. Let me pop that zit. You're right. Dr. Pitbull popper. Just stay home. We'll reschedule. We'll fit you in. We'll work through lunch tomorrow. We'll start early tomorrow and stay late tomorrow because we're having this day off. I mean, you know what I mean? I know. Be cool. Be European. That's why when I worked at the library, they had me going in no matter how much of a snowstorm we have we had I mean there was one that broke the records and it was like two feet and I walked to work from down there and not here in order to get to work on time and open that library they wouldn't close it and then I was the only one who showed up. I was gonna say how many kids walked in. I really gotta get an encyclopedia. Yeah, right, yeah. And anyway, no, I had to convince my boss. Yeah, close the library. I mean, she was about to have the other person who would take over from me and work late at night come in. I go, no. Yeah, she's driving in from St. Albans. You think that's safe? Yeah, it's stupid. You know, I mean, that's the kind of thinking that just drove me crazy about working. It's American thinking. It's it's crazy. Yeah, I was on the interstate that day my snowblower broke So my buddy and I were out there shoveling snow for about seven hours. Great. Yeah, it was great And then I got home I left at three o'clock Right before they closed the interstate And then he got stuck Stay out there all night. It was a 20 2007 doesn't swell. There's a big one. It was our first Valentine's I think No, I'm even thinking of the one in March, years later, there was one in March, beginning of March. It was, of course, spring break. That's the other thing. It was spring break. There was nobody on campus and they were still forcing me to stay there and then bring another person in to relieve me after my shift. Those kids are in Florida doing cocaine. They're not thinking about... I mean, yeah. But when was that? Let's see. I don't remember. when I was probably out there shoveling snow anyway. I'd say about 20, 10, something like that. 28 inches I think we had that day. Damn. The worst I had was maybe 20, 18 or 19. I was walking home, like knee deep in midday, and I remember texting Matt like, hey man, can you pick me up some beer? And Matt gets up, he's like, no. That's right. Matt's like, I'm not stopping. I was like, okay. I was on my way home, I think. I was that that was the night I think that I drove down Swift Street and I couldn't see oh no yeah I think that's why I didn't stop I said no I don't think well he's maybe what maybe I don't know you didn't respond I was like later I was like oh yeah of course he's not gonna stop he told me like hey sorry man I'm just not gonna stop but yeah totally I'm like this driving home just not they said that one thing about this story they've been doing a lot of pre storm they put it out before the storm so it's easier. It just starts melting as soon as it hits. And it says it works well up to about 15 degrees, but after that the agency can use chemical additives such as magnesium chloride. I'm sure that's great for the lake. Hey, what's in this? Why does this taste so good? Oh, it's magnesium chloride. So it's only good up to, when you say 15 degrees anything colder than 15 degrees Fahrenheit right it won't work right yeah well that's me that's the way it is on the sidewalk yeah I need the salt they leave for us to use that's the same thing it won't melt when it's that cold and it's just sits there and of course we carry it in on our shoes no our boots I should say sneakers you know yes I came here yesterday to pick up my boots and I couldn't do it. I said, I am gonna suffer through this day because I know it's not gonna snow tomorrow. So at least I'm gonna try to wear my sneakers for as long as possible this year. This is the longest I've ever gone without long johns. Usually I start it in September. I mean, we're all the way almost like into, right? And so I haven't had long. Well, then again, we're not walking dogs like I used to. So that's part of it. Wearing boots is easily, for me, one of the top three worst parts of winter. Oh, I hate them. I hate it because they're not... I've only had one pair of boots that I could walk and walk and walk and they'd be comfortable and keep me dry and warm. Never had another pair like it. I searched for another pair. I even wrote to the company I sent. I still had the box. I mean, I did all kinds of stuff just to save these boots. What company was it? Ulu, U-L-U, but that was many, many years ago. As a matter of fact, people loved those boots so much, the original ones, the ones that first came out before they were bought by this company, who then got bought by that company, you know, and it just, so they're not the same boot anymore. But there was a news report about that people loved these boots so much, and sure enough, I had my boots all with duct tape holding them together. Remember that? Very stylish, yeah. Yeah. And then I started to feel like, you know, I walk dogs that come from homes that are like very high end. And here I am, I show up with duct tape boots. Yeah. So I decided to buy the same brand and decided only after about one year of those boots, I gave them away. They were like brand new. It was like some Chinese shit made in Bangladesh or something. Probably. Yeah. I think at one time they were obviously made here in the United States I think I think that's I even thought it was Vermont but somebody said no that's anyway but yeah it was a great great boot too bad can't find another pair of like them well if anyone's listening has boot recommendations email the show and I'll let glow know and we'll pass them on to her yeah well I would appreciate it that more like four years ago I don't do that just you know That would glow. Yeah, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, that would, boots I have that like are actually like warm and like water resistant or whatever these like Columbia boots that are great but they're so heavy and they come up like so high they're they're not comfortable but they're really functional yeah I have to get kind of a mid-high boot because if I get any higher they start scratching my legs oh you're mid-high boy yeah I'm a little mine aren't very high so I can't walk in too deep of snow. Yeah, well luckily we know we don't have to. Yeah, Salt on the Roads, necessary evil. Necessary evil. Just like the car. Yeah. Okay, so how much do you think salt costs per ton? A ton of salt? Oh, about $800. $91. What? For a ton of salt? That's all? Last year how how much do you think it costs? Are you gonna say it went up? It's more expensive now. Of course. Than it was last year. All right, so now I'd say 219. No, no, no, now is 91. It was cheaper. It was cheaper a year ago. 45. It's doubled. It's doubled. I always ask Glo, and she always like, has these crazy numbers that makes the point, now when I say it, it's gonna be like, That doesn't matter, because she went so crazy with her low number.$71. Oh, okay. That's got up a lot, though. Yeah, it would seem like a lot, unless you thought it was 45. Now that's like, okay, only 70. Moving on. Glow, this will make you happy, I think. Vermont gained fewer people in the second year of the pandemic than the first. All of Vermont? Yes. Okay. Yes. Well. And obviously it's, they're coming here. They're not, it's probably not, I'm pretty sure like Windsor didn't see a surge. Oh, so when you say here, you mean Burlington? Chittenden County. Chittenden County. Chittenden, the area, yeah. Roundabouts. So yeah, we had, I don't know if I had the number here. So 26,000 people moved to Vermont between 21 and 22. Well, 23,000 moved away. Yeah. Wait, wait, how many came in and how many went out? 26,000 moved in, 23,000 moved away. So net gain of 3,000. Yeah, it's like the part of going out, but yeah, we still gained 3,000. So they decided after only being here a short time that this isn't for me? Well, we don't know. I mean, some of it could have been people who grew up here and they turned 20 and they're like, this ain't working. You know, there's no opportunity here. That's every year. Could have been retirees moving to Florida or whatever. They mentioned Utah in here, I don't know why, but who the hell would move to Utah? Swinger lifestyle? Yeah, swingers. Mormons? I don't know. I guess they're not swingers, they're just, they have many wives. Yeah, yeah. Right, Mormons might take offense to being called swingers. It's their own form of swinging. Yeah, right, right. Yeah, yeah. It's traditional swinging. Yeah, and it's only one-sided, of course. Oh, that's right. I forgot about that. Yeah. Men, I mean, women can have all the husbands she wants. Of course not, it's religion. Women don't have any rights. Get in line, sweetie. Your wife's number seven. You giving me a lip? Number six, get her in line. Yeah, so, yeah, 3,000 net people, and the year before, 14,000 people. Wow. So, it's a big jump, or a big jump down. Yeah, net gain of 17,500 people in two years. Oh, no. At first it sounded good and now we're up to 17. It's gone down, though. It was 14,000, then 3,000. The first year of the pandemic, that's when everybody moved up. Then it slowed down. And still people were leaving. The end result is we have more people, right? Yeah. Okay. I wish I had the death and birth rates to give you the full picture. Well, it's pretty obvious. I can't believe the amount of these enormous apartment buildings that are like seven stories, eight stories, and I don't know how many units just in each one. And all these these other homes being built, their duplexes, they don't even like are giving them all that space anymore because they're cramming everything in like it's gonna be another Brooklyn or Newark. Brooklyn, Vermont. Remember how Colchester used to be a nice town? Now it's like Brooklyn. I bet Brooklyn is cheaper than Burlington. Probably. But I mean, that's one of the things they talk about in the story, is the people that are moving here have more money than the people who are moving away. I don't know if I like that dynamic. Yeah, we've talked about that, because they bring their jobs that they're making somewhere else at a much higher salary than anybody could, the average salary here in Vermont. Plus they just bring it, yes, that's true, and they fuck up the prices, but also they bring a different perspective. You know what I mean? Like, if you're- They don't understand these other people. Like if your household income is 250K, you're not, you're also fucking up the culture, I think. You're probably not a cool person, essentially is what I'm trying to say. Unless you're Quentin Tarantino. Yeah. The one exception. Yeah, I don't know. It just, it screws up everything, I think, you know. But they're gonna have to make that kind of money to live here in Chittenden County. Now, it's a chicken-and-egg situation, right? Like, no, it was getting bad before they all moved out. Right, but it's gotten a lot worse in the last couple years. Yeah, mm-hmm. Yep. I mean, I bought a place in 2019. Mm-hmm. The place across the hall just sold or whatever it's gonna like you don't mean like was going for a certain rounds like that's a big difference from around another hundred and twenty five thousand dollars more than you bought yes yes which is insane but good if you're looking to sell yeah yeah I mean with the next couple stories coming down on the list here we may want to consider selling just because it's You know, I don't want to be the person who flees but that's maybe time to flee. But flee where? I know that's the problem. What, in these gated communities? No. No. Do I really want, well I don't know, in some ways it's kind of nice. Everything's brand new, people therefore are gonna take care of their stuff, you're not gonna see trash laying around like we see here, you know what I mean? because it's all brand new and people probably, the ones that have moved there are probably the ones that have worked all their lives, saved, and now they're living well, you know. And they're all white. Well, yeah, they are, you're right. Okay, do you know where the two states that more people moved up here? Florida? No. New Jersey. Right. Damn it. What, in just the last few years? in the last two years. Really? New Jersey and Massachusetts. Okay. I mean, that kind of makes sense, right? But New Jersey's been running up here. They actually both cost a lot to live, too. No shit, yeah. But I mean, there are probably people who have a job in New Jersey or Massachusetts, they're making more, and they probably can work remote. So like, their shit went remote, and they're like, oh, I can live actually anywhere now. Like, if I was single, I would definitely try to become a digital nomad. Right. Like I would want to just work remote and then live anywhere in the world that I wanted to and just kind of move around and just do that. I'd always wanted to work remote. I mean, I thought... It's because you hate people. You're like back in the 80s, like, I just do this from my home. Can I just fix these sewing machines from home? Y'all just drop them off in the morning, pick them up in the afternoon and be none the wiser. Can I go check on the air pollution in my neighborhood? They're losing residents, the state they're losing more residents is New Hampshire. People are just moving to New Hampshire. Moving into or out to? They're moving out of Vermont to New Hampshire. Oh, that's, okay, that makes sense. You said it the opposite because... Wait, wait, wait. Yeah. New Ham, right? Did you say moving out of New Hampshire? I don't know, I misunderstood. I misunderstood. Yeah, but that yeah, that's a new Hampshire in Florida people are moving into New Hampshire and Florida You know why because neither one of them have an income tax. Yeah, also, they're Fucking crazy, right? Like if you're a crazy person in Tennessee, and you're like man, this isn't crazy enough Florida right if you're a crazy person in Vermont and you're like this isn't crazy enough, but also I don't want to go very far It's like drive 45 minutes south or whatever it is or Easter whatever well that makes sense. I mean I've even thought of it to New Hampshire. Yeah. Yeah, you wouldn't last a day But I hate to start over again, you know Like meeting like new friends and stuff like that neighbors Everything all the streets and stuff that actually enjoy I like searching around. I don't like being lost. I do. I mean, you figure it out, like it takes like a month and you figure it out. Oh, even less than that. Yeah. Yeah, especially if you just do it every day, you walk it in different streets. Just drive around, you know. It's never the same as walking. I agree, driving is different than walking, but driving you cover more ground. That's true, but you won't remember most of it. while walking you start thinking, you start, well, for one thing it takes you longer to look at the same tree or a house or, right? Look at that weird house. I'll never forget that weird house. What? Yeah, exactly. Look at that big fat guy in that house. What he does. What's that fat guy's story? So you get these landmarks in your head when you're walking, at least I do. But then I'm a visual person and you probably, you know, would not probably, Well, you know how it is You know your deficiencies I remind you of them all the time Right now, but you know Couldn't see my son my eight foot tall sunflower. I can see it once I looked for it. It also wasn't That would be like walking under an elephant not noticing you just walked under an L I have a lot of thoughts in my head as I walk. I'm over here doing stuff, I'm calculating, I'm scheming, I'm ruminating. You're listening to something on your earbuds. Possibly. Anyway. Do you have something I wanted to point out about like the, oh, with all the people coming in, it's still not helping the age gap very much. So, our graying society. We are old, you know No, young people come to Vermont a lot of young people leave Vermont. Yeah, and no hippies anymore Are there I mean hippies just are kind of a They're more of it kind of an endangered species, right? There's not a lot of hippies You know, I mean, yeah there those ideals and all that stuff Yeah, I think we're losing them. I mean, they're all of age now of age That's a great population. Yeah, what are the hippie ideals? Well, like the puppet theater, what's it called up there? Bread and Puppet? Bread and Puppet. I mean, it's pretty radical. But these people, they fill buses up to go to different war protests or any protests. They carry all this stuff with them and they're actually known. They're called, you know, Bread and Puppet. People know them, but you know, we live right next to a unit like the biggest university in the state and It's also it's not very it's not weird. There's no hippies. It's not Protesty, it's not no not at all Like, you know compared to you F like you have had this giant green where it's like, there's the Hare Krishnas Those are the guys protesting Hare Krishnas Protesting a war happening somewhere. Those are people protesting that it's like it was just a lot of stuff always happening, it was weird and then there's like Hacky Sack and Frisbee happening right next door. I mean, it's like this giant collection of people just doing different, weird, interesting things that you do in your late teens, early 20s. UVM is like, there's a couple of kids smoking weed, that's it. I think that the people that moved up here in the Great Migration, I think in the late 60s and the 70s, the hippies movement, a lot of them wanted to go work the land, A lot of more artisans, a lot of more doing, you know, that's where we get a lot of the companies that are here today Is they were making stuff. Yeah, you know I don't think that's as practical as it used to be. Yeah, I don't think it's as practical as it used to be It's kind of hard to come up and make a living on a farm You know, so or to you know, and it was cheap back then. Yes. It was very cheap. I mean it was almost You know, I paid only twenty thousand for 25 acres in the early seven, no, early nineties. Where would that go for now? Yeah, I don't know. A lot more. Of course, of course, it was all wooded and what it takes to then actually build a house on that. Then you learn, oh, it actually wasn't all that cheap because you got boulders, you have trees, you have all. But the people buying those now, those kinds of pieces of property, they have a lot more money than you have. Oh yeah. Yeah. They, that's just what they want. They want to, you know, this place outside of the, you know, Montpelier or wherever and just build something and they have money they can do it. So, yeah, corporate hippies. Yeah, corporate hippies. All right, moving on, a church in Winooski is right. Winooski? Yes. I thought this is Burlington. Oh, it's on Winooski Avenue. God damn it. I'm sorry, I'm sorry Matt. That's okay. Yes, a church in Burlington on Winooski Avenue is drawing the line at, they're like, you know what, we don't want any more homeless people, drug users sleeping on our doorstep. Which church is that? It has to be in Winooski. That's the one across from the Y, right? The old Y. Yeah. The first congregational right there. But that's not actually South Winooski, That's college in South Union. The first congregational church of Burlington. I know where it is. It's next to the UPS, that's across from the parking garage. And then one other door down is City Market. Yeah, it's that big one there. That church, well, that's a gorgeous church too. I've been to it. It has some Christmas stuff going on. You don't have to defend what you went to. You don't have to explain yourself to us. I don't want anybody to think I've been converted. So apparently they must have, they have like a nice covered step area. Oh yeah, they do. But it's also easy to see from the street. So it's like public, but covered. So that's why they think that people go there to rest. I guess I'll say there's a catch all for. How about camp out? Yeah, a little camp out. This little photo, this person's got a variety of canned beverages and a water jug so he got to stay hydrated. So that's nice. But they're drinking Bud Light. Well, you know, you're not picky and choosy when you're homeless, right? Yeah, so this person, this Reverend is saying that she has had enough. She has to do a cleanup every day for needles. Yeah, see, that's... You start losing the churches. The battle is... Some of her quotes in here I'm just like... She says we welcome all people not all behaviors. I'm like... Okay... Love the sinner but not the sin? Right. Doesn't that sound familiar? I think but it's also kind of like... I don't know like it's obviously it's not fair to be like this is what Jesus would do but this is not what Jesus would not turn these people away right there there would be some other thing but there should be another solution for this but there's not I mean this is you think about private property becomes this I mean I I was downtown the other day and somebody has set up a living space outside of the movie theater right on the sidewalk. In front of Roxy. Yeah, in front of Roxy. I mean, literally. I don't know if you know that sidewalk very well, but that's not that wide. I don't know that sidewalk very well, but I appreciate you giving me a little bit of a limit. Stay away from that sidewalk. You actually said it was a tent. It wasn't. It's a makeshift tent. Oh, I see. You have a tarp over chairs and stuff like that. It's downtown Burlington now. You go by, I walked by the park because I had to park down there by City Hall. And the park at 3.30 in the afternoon was just, you know, it was just packed with homeless. Can I get Republican Adam in here for a second? Right. Let me get him, let me get him. Send in the fucking dogs You've got Florida Republican You know, and then I see this guy pulls up he's playing really loud music He just pulls up and he he's like looks like he's dealing drugs right out of his truck. Well, he probably is Matt. Yeah Nobody knows me Where's the cops? Well, there's two of them, so they're busy. It's just, they're dealing with gunshots. I look downtown now, it's just awful. But when you start losing to churches, you've lost. But also, I question this woman's church-itude, is what she says. So the question is, do you think you'd be doing this? She says, no, I work downtown Boston, this is 100 times worse. That's a little. It's probably not a hundred times worse. Maybe 80. It's actually more of a 73 times worse. She says, most church jobs tend to be more, you know, community breakfasts or worship studies or worship preparations, things like that. It's like, she's basically saying like, I want to do the fun, easy stuff. I want to be inside and I want to make sure like everyone has a cookie, you know? But it's like, no, this is actually helping people. Dealing with people is what the mission is. You're not doing the mission. Yeah, she says I'm doing an awful lot of direct service, aid, like, wait a minute, that's what you're supposed to be doing? I think she's just ill-equipped, you know? And also, it seems like it's not what she signed up for. She wants to, like, you know, she wants to be the nice church lady who does churchy things, but not actually giving aid to people. That's not what churches do, it's what governments do, right? They sure have enough room to house people. Remember that event we went to about three or four springs ago? I'm not sure. Anyway, but it was... That was a very Native American of you. Like, three or four springs ago? We now count time and seasons? Like, what are we doing? We went there with our friends And it was some potluck thing, but it was also to help with some Yeah, you know charity as always, you know to not the homeless Not that time. No And this is I mean to me this just goes nobody really knows what to do No, one knows it. Nobody knows what I'm probably gonna add if I had an idea, but I don't agree with that the dogs Yeah, I wouldn't send in the dogs. I don't be coming too far. Yeah Yeah, that's just nobody knows what to do and you know the government in Burlington's getting ready to change somewhat because there's a lot of people not running and a lot of people running. I wonder why they're all quitting. It's almost like the whole town went to shit in the last six years and they're all to blame. And now they're all going, huh. I don't like living here anymore. They went, hmm, this is a problem that is totally out of control and we have no solution. Let's get out of here. Speaking of which, the next story, we've got some progressives leaving the Burlington City Council. Zoraya Hightower, she was the one who came up with the idea about defunding the police or getting rid of it. It was her idea. But she still stands by it. But they never did that. No, they didn't. She wanted it. And that's what discouraged the police force. You know, they can't get police because who wants to come to work for a place like that? Okay. And I, I get it. Fair to criticize her for that, but I think it's not totally on her. I think it's like the, I mean, the culture. It's the culture. And the other guy, Joe McGee says he just can't afford to live in Burlington anymore. If only Joe, if you had some sort of voice in the whole system to maybe fix that. Allie Dang's not running either. He's kind of a Democratic progressive. He took his shot. You ever know which way he was going to vote? What's that kind of like? Huh? You like that? Yeah, kind of like that. And Karen Paul is running for mayor, so her seat is open. Joan Shannon is running for mayor, too. So can you run for mayor and keep your seat? I don't know. Let me consult my bylaws. I have no idea. Yeah, so, Glow, I think Matt is making an announcement that he's considering a run for Burlington City Council. No, that's the last thing I'd wanna do. But we do have an opening for the board, our condo board. Who, who's leaving? Probably, yeah, and so. I would do it if he was on. No you wouldn't, nothing gets done. No, really, it's frustrating as hell. Somebody who just won't respond. Anyway. Alright, moving on. Yeah, that's hyper-local. So yeah, could have a whole new look to the city council. What do you think, Matt? Think we're going full Republican? I don't see any Republicans running. That's true. The last Republican, I think there was one holdover for many years. A guy from the North End. I can't remember he was a, he used to work at that convenience store in downtown somewhere. But yeah, there's no Republicans. But there's four people, incumbents, who are running, one of them is progressive, three are Democrats. So it looks like the Democrats might hold on, but what good comes out of it? We need more Republicans. Send in the dogs. We need a nice balance. We need to check each other, you know? Someone needs to check the person who's going crazy with some policies. When someone says, like, let's stop paying police, someone needs to go, well, no, let's think about how that works, you know? The same thing goes for Montpelier, which is Scott. Somebody's got to keep everybody in control. But on the other side when someone says like maybe we should tax the wealthy slightly more than we do now Someone also needs to say like yeah, that's a good idea. You mean like there needs to be like It was both ways. No Below you want to run for City Council me Leave it was nice knowing you Please go. Go far, go wide. Have you heard about Tennessee? It's a lovely place. Go check it out. I'm thinking of, never mind, I'll take a drug addict with you. Yeah, just adopt a drug addict program. There you go, yeah. I mean, we adopt dogs. Honey, you went too far on that. You had it. Guess I won't win. I don't think so. I don't think any of us are going to run, but yeah, because we knew someone who did serve and he was like, never again. And he's like a smart, kind person. Laid back. He's the kind of guy you want on a city council. If he was running, I'd vote for him 100%. I'd put on a fake mustache and vote for him twice. But yeah, he's not going to do it. Here we are. Alright, moving on. The City Council has just approved a new plan to protect Burlington businesses. They authorized $100,000 of funding. Unclear what they're gonna do. What is the solution? Where's the Market Street Marketplace? It's on it's on Church Street. It's upstairs. It is. So aren't they in charge of this kind of stuff? They work with the city. They're in charge of the whole marketplace about you know having the events and all that stuff but the city is in charge of security and you know it's sort of it's a partnership for the two of them but yeah they have to see what's going on. There's a couple of them interviewed in this story. Really? Because I was wondering if they could just hire their own police force you know it's kind of like security police who are just walking around and keeping it clean. Vigilantes. That's an idea, I like that. The Simpsons, they're a mob. Well, what's Police Academy for? Citizens on Patrol. Yeah, never saw it. What? Never saw Police Academy 1. What? No. Is it good? No. No? No? I mean, but neither are hot dogs, but I assume you've had one, you know? Yeah, it's actually the next story I'm thinking of where they interviewed some of these, but part of the money will come out of the American Rescue Plan Act funds. That's COVID stuff, right? We still use all that, yeah. And the other from the Parmelo Family Foundation. Wow, once again. What's the rest of that say? You're like, first. They ate a lot of things in this town. Yeah, the Pomelo family is very big in keeping this town from falling apart. Maybe. They used to be. I don't know. How's their security force? Do they have one? They should send them in. Do they have canines? Moving on. A bunch of businesses are leaving Burlington. It's the same thing we've been talking about, right? We already have expressed enough. I mean, the tent in front of the theater, the park that we've spent so much of taxpayer money in order to beautify just now is totally taken over by. Junkies. Yeah. And even when we ate at that very expensive couple summers ago, instead of the, anyway. Many moons ago. We sat there basically eating this really expensive food truck food with people laying under newspapers over there on the bench. Brand-new bench you know now everybody you know all these gorgeous benches nothing was you know preserved. So anyway yeah I mean and I was like I don't ever want to come back here. Well one thing the food sucked. Yeah. It was too expensive. Was it Farmers and Foragers? Oh no. I don't know who it was it was just It was, you know, instead of the, we were down at the farmer's market and then we decided to go check out what was going on in Burlington because there was supposed to be a second farmer's market and it was really, BTV, MKT, it was not good. No, there's only that one food truck and I think maybe two or three other people up there on the top and that's it. That was it. They should never have bothered with that park. It was working just fine the way it was. But no, now they know what a little bit of extra room feels like down there on Pine Street and they're not gonna go back to that little cramped space. I don't think the farmer's market will ever move back downtown. No. I don't think so either. Those neighbors must, they're gonna get pissed off eventually because there's nowhere to park. Pine Street? Yeah. Dealer. Parking dealer. You can? Yeah, there's closed on Saturday. Oh, oh, okay. I mean, yeah, we've parked in the streets, the Five Sisters neighborhood. Walked down. Uh-huh. And so do other people, I think. Yeah. Anyway, I guess so far hasn't been any complaints. Yeah, Black Diamond, wouldn't go there. Body Shop, wouldn't go there. And someplace, Slate, I don't I don't know what that is. Oh, these are places going out of business? They're moving out of downtown. But in the interview, the person from the marketplace said there's more people coming in. Well, they didn't name them or who they were, but. Well, I think they're also talking about the new tenants they're trying to get from this new apartments they're building downtown. But who are the people who are like, England to move downtown? I mean, I don't know. Like would you want to move downtown and play play way too much money for a small place? Yeah with like no parking It seems like a dumb idea especially now you're like well if you go down there look at you're like The fuck is this like all these like all you see is like closed down businesses help wanted sign I've heard Church Street is pretty vacant. I don't even go there anymore like it just well, they People aren't working downtown anymore. That's one of the biggest factors because there's I mean used to go down there at noon and on a good day it was packed with people you know wearing like ties and stuff going to get something to eat or shopping or something like that you don't see that anymore so they're hoping that these new apartments will you know have a big effect on people just being down there you know maybe because once if you live there you're probably not gonna go outside of Burlington very much You know, you're just gonna hang around downtown. I mean, the idea is that you could live there and just have like this little walkable community. You probably wouldn't even need a car full time, but I don't think we're there yet. No. There's a lot to be desired downtown. And how many more years before that thing's finished? What's finished? The big apartment building down there in the pit. Maybe they'll tear it down like they did with the other one after, oh, that's not gonna work. Oh, you mean the Holiday Inn? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, it just seems like very, like, backwards looking to think that, like, this community downtown is going to be the solution. I just feel like it's, I don't know. We just need, I guess, police force. We need, you know, you don't think so? Well, yeah, I think we do need more police and more of a presence. I don't know what kind of presence, because we don't go down there very much. I don't know, are they walking around like they used to? Or are they just standing around? Well, I also think that you need a system where people who are arrested are arrested, not just like, oh, this person's had like eight charges in two days and, you know, like. Got no place to put them. Yeah, right, like it's like catch and release, you know? Yeah, that's true. It's like, it works for bass, but not for criminals, you know? Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's nothing, and there's no services to help people. They're just basically trying to keep people alive now. People are dying, you know, overdosing. There's nothing to, you know, yeah, you can feed them, but they can't, there's no place for them to live, there's no, you know, detox, there's nothing. I don't understand why they're here. Isn't it too cold? Like, isn't it too cold to be junkie? Like, go, don't they migrate south, like, in the winter or something? No. Seems like they don't. I've seen footsteps into those camps in the winter, in snow, like a foot deep snow, and you see people actually walking into those camps. So many of them have been cleared of— Sears Lane. Sears Lane, but also the one that used to—where are the—anyway, the highway that they used to go around used to be very, very wooded, and they just cleared it all out because it It was a big homeless community, but... Until they take care of that situation with whatever they can do, I don't know what it is, but they sure, there's no money for it, for rehab. There's no money for jail, how can there be money for rehab, right? Yeah, I don't know. We'll be talking about this two years from now, probably. It'll be worse. Yeah, we'll be like, why hasn't Karen Paul done anything about these homeless people. All right, let's move on to rich people problems. A new airline in Burlington is offering direct flights to Florida. Yeah, we talked about that. Tampa and Orlando. Yeah, that's Florida. Twice a week. Okay. Wednesday and Sunday. I'll take it. I'm not flying that. Now, so this is Breeze Airlines. Right, I've never heard of them. On the spectrum of Allegiance to Southwest, where's Breeze sitting? Right next to a legion I assume I don't I've never heard of them. They're over in Plattsburgh, too But yeah there we could fly directly to Tampa but If something happens on that Wednesday flight you're stuck till Sunday or whatever. I think the second day is Sunday You don't think they'd really work with you to get you on another flight in a different legion never did They just love you. Let you hang Because they're not connected to they're not connected to they're not a a partner with like American or anything like that. They used to have partners where, and I've done that before where I got stuck in California and I, you know, my United got me on a flight with Continental or something. Yeah, I remember that. And they still do that? I don't think they're connected anymore. None of them are. Really? So you're stuck? The Alliance, that's what they called it, the Alliance. No kidding. Yeah, I remember that. Geez, it just keeps getting worse. Yeah, I looked at the prices, they're like $69 one way, but that's the starting point. After you pay for a, they probably charge you for carry-ons, they probably charge you for everything. For your seat. If you want the deluxe seat. When I made reservations for us to fly to Austin, they charged us for seat. This is well, what else are you paying for when you're paying that other price? I have no idea It's like nice to kind of stand for free. Oh, yeah, maybe I should ask that How about if you just pull that seat out and I'll just stand and see yeah, put me in the bathroom I'm gonna take a two and a half hour dump Yeah, there's a seat Okay So with breeze airways the low airfare fares mean carry-on bags cost extra Snacks and drinks cost extra, picking a seat cost extra. In this article, the writer said, at least the plane came with wings, that didn't cost extra. I'm surprised there's a bathroom. This was headquartered in Utah. And it was founded by David Nealman, who previously co-founded Morris Air, never heard of that, WestJet. I think they used to be ads on New York radio for them. JetBlue. Azul Linhaas, I think that's, I don't know, Ariza. But yeah, I wouldn't fly them. I've seen too many Allegiant flights that didn't make it. Oh yeah, they always said stuff. I don't know, like, maybe do one way? Well, yeah. Because you figure they're gonna be an early flight out of Burlington. You figure that's gonna be there, right? It's too early for things to go wrong. I say that and last time... He may not have employees. My Legion flight, the guy was like, no one showed up, I'm here now. So just call it out. I don't know. Well, speaking of short-sighted solutions, Optometrists, Glo, they are still in the news. They're fighting to... there's an idea over there in Montpelier to give optometrists the power to do some surgeries. Because you know we have this big fight against the optometrists and the ophthalmologists. Ophthalmologists are against giving optometrists this power but the idea is that things are backed up. People need glaucoma surgery which I guess is relatively minor according to this article. So let the Yeah, Tom's just do it. You're already in the chair. Yeah. I don't have any problem with it. I don't either. Yeah. I mean, just because you have a little extra training doesn't mean everything. Yeah. I think, yeah, right. You have a degree, but maybe I can do it better. Yeah, exactly. It doesn't make your, it doesn't say you're good at it. Exactly, yeah. I feel like this should apply to everything. Like, if you know, like, a carpenter who happens to be, like, has watched a bunch of YouTube videos, and maybe he's oddly good at like heart surgery and he's offering that service, I feel like you should be allowed to choose him if you want to. You know, there's got to be a butcher or two down at the, you know, market 32 that could do some surgery. Oh, I bet. You know, he's just like, you know, actually, I'm really good at this one thing, like, yeah, like I can't do it all, but like, man, if you need your gallbladder removed, I'm your dude. I'm your butcher. I mean, I'm your surgeon. You're laying there waiting for surgery and this guy comes in with his old bloody apron. He's gonna weigh your gallbladder for you, wrap it up. Take it home, make a stew out of it. Yeah, let the market decide, right? Isn't that what we're all about? We're capitalists. Carry lots of insurance. Yeah. Moving on, um, Glow, Vermont property owners are starting to plant trees. Who are? Vermont property owners. Well. You've thrown her off. Explain. It's like, because I see a lot of trees being cut down, so I'm wondering now if, are they replacing the ones that I've, they've, have butchered some really gorgeous trees around here. I don't know if it's a one for one. I don't know that they're doing that, but friends of Winooski River have planted 5,000 trees on public and private land This year 5,000. That's a lot of trees. The purpose of this whole thing is to help with the flooding Yeah I feel like when I was a kid Trees were like they had really good PR Like tree everyone's like yep trees man. Yeah, he's really important the Lorax shit like that like but I feel like now Trees It's totally fine, but I feel like now trees are like They've taken a backseat to like animals and other stuff they need a better press agent they need it Yeah, they need it. They need a good representative Hi Expounds on trees all the time. Yeah, I love trees. I know but like you're not in the streets You love all trees except the ones in your garden Well, if only they could be a little shorter. They could be with a chainsaw. A well-placed chainsaw. Anyway, we're talking about planting trees, not cutting down trees. But wouldn't a lot of problems be solved with this global warming? What if you just had 25 percent more trees? Great idea. Like it used to be. Yeah. Right. Like it used to be. Actually, isn't there a children's story, but actually his real story of a guy who lived near the desert and little by little, he would just plant a couple of trees on the edge and it just kept going and going and he actually ended up with a forest, what was once a desert is now a forest, you know? I'm pretty sure you made that up. Probably. You should write that, that's interesting. I think it's a great story. Yeah, I guess it does help with the erosion of the rivers and things like that. That's what oh everything trees are without trees We're gonna find out just to kill the dinosaurs all the trees were dead Because of the air yeah No, they keep the planet cool That's why we keep having more. You know we have less trees, but also more exhaust from cars and Anyway I'm not sure this weird referring to But maybe it is are you referring to the French story? The Man Who Planted Trees. Yeah. Okay, I don't know that that's what you meant, but you said that very convincingly, so I'll continue. Yeah, of course. Just a guess. The one by Jean Jeannot? Yeah. I'm not about to remember the author, but I remember it was, I think it was French. Tells the story of one shepherd's long and successful single-handed efforts to reforest a desolate valley in the foothills of the Alps. So it wasn't the desert, it was the Alps. Okay, well. Well, maybe you read the Spanish version and they were the desert. Egyptian. The man who planted trees. Le ron qui plantait des arbres. Nailed it. So, yeah. Yeah, glow trees. You should be more of a champion of them. I'm kind of disappointed that you're slacking off in your tree love. Moving on, we've got some new sports coming to the 2028 Olympics. maybe some opportunities for Vermonters to excel. Some of the sports, what is it, squash? Yeah. Which is a game that I have no idea how, did you ever play squash, Matt? I've watched, it's kind of like racquetball. I was just gonna say that, it's racquetball. With a different racket, a different ball. With a harder ball. The ball's solid. Very fast, very fast game. When I see people play squash in the movies, I'm like, what is even happening? Well, if you ever play racquetball, Same. There's a line, okay, there's a line and, shit, I can't remember. Do you? I don't remember. You probably wanna be above the line, below the line, one or the other? You have to hit the line or? Hit the line? Oh, is there a line? No, I can't remember now. I don't know if there was a line. I think it was just hit the ball on the wall. Oh, that's it, we have to just hit. You have to hit the ball on a wall before it bounces or? That's it, it's like tennis. Right. But in one room. Right. And yeah, using a wall instead of having a net. That's really what it is, except tennis has such fancy love and things like that, that doesn't really make a lot of sense. All the scoring. Yeah. So apparently squash is big in Vermont. So there's possibilities for monsters. Also for baseball. Baseball is going to the Olympics. That's not big for Vermont. Baseball has been in the Olympics before. Before? But they bring it back. It's up to the host country. Oh, yeah to bring in whatever they get to pick these kind of this is gonna be LA, right? Yes What year? Other things glow softball cricket lacrosse Flag football flag football That's what I said. Isn't it when you just don't have a ball? No, no Tackle. No, I know you pull the ribbon. That means you caught him. Yeah, if you don't have a ball, you're just playing tag That's true. You are, that's right, that is tag. Well you'd think cricket would be an Olympic sport already because it's huge around the world. Yeah, you'd think so. What about bocce? You know, that's what we need. If the Italian delegation gets their say, then perhaps. I thought breakdancing was getting added to this, maybe it's just not in this story. Really? Yeah, breakdancing is being added to the Olympics. No kidding. Yeah, you don't seem very impressed by that. Well, I could just I can't see like a Portuguese doing breakdance See them doing the ski jump either Not every country's gonna excel. I don't see any country other than maybe the United States. Oh, you've never seen a French breakdancer. No Really? Oh, yeah Trevienne, that's not French. I don't know. What is that French? I don't know like it's good I think that's Spanish, whatever you're trying to say. But anyway, oh, no kidding. See, I didn't know, you know me, I'm under a rock most of the time. Obviously, if you're like, actually, let me pull up my YouTube history of my favorite French break dancers, I would be surprised. You know, but I'm not saying just French, but it is like hip hop culture is worldwide and people do enjoy that form of art. I mean, I think it's more interesting than a ribbon dancing. No offense to the ribbon dancers in the audience. What's a ribbon dancing? It's like when you have the ribbon, you dance. I don't know how else to say it. It's like some sort of form of gymnastics where they're doing these things with these two ribbons. They're flicking them and doing all this stuff. They're doing flips with the ribbons. It's just like, oh God. It's like gymnasts who can't jump very much. It's kind of like ballet mixed in with gymnasts, right? Kind of. Something like that. Ballet is like. I know I know it's hard, but it's also like why do it? Yeah, I mean really it was weird shoes Oh, and your feet are never the same again got totally hammer toes I hope that never becomes an Olympic sport. It might be wait till the French get a hold of it. Yeah French Where's ballet from is that a French thing? That's a French word. Oh, is it I figured they invented it I figured of Russians would be the ones ballet That's true. They are good, right? And they even have male ballet. The only country that has male ballet dancers is the Russians. Who knew? Flag football is a weird one. That is weird. And like do the NFL players play? Like does Tyreek Hill just dominate flag football? Because you can't catch him? Or do we get our track stars? Like do we teach our track stars how to catch? I don't know. It'll be interesting. Probably a lot of college players or something. I don't really know. How long are the ribbons? The ribbon dancing or flag football? Flag football. How long are the flags? I don't know, I think like They're about a foot long If it's tucked into your belt, it hangs down to between your thigh and your knee perhaps, something like that I think it's Velcro now They Velcro them on your belt or whatever Do you think there's going to be some kind of mechanism where it lights up when it rips off or something, just so we I don't know. Like a paintball? Something like that. Something like that breaks open, like when you steal money from a bank and it goes on loop. You get covered in blue paint. Yeah, yeah. It just explodes. He's like, all right, that person's out, or tackled, or whatever. Yeah, I think that's a good idea. All right, moving on. Glow, your favorite company, darn tough. I hope they're doing well. Doing very well. Good. Excellent. Seven Days did like a deep dive into their, what you told me about, which I didn't quite believe when you told me, but you can just return your socks and get new socks? You get vouchers. They even return, for one sock you send, they send you two. I know. I don't do it anymore, though. Because you feel guilty? No, because I'm not as cheap like I used to be. Very expensive socks. How much for one pair? 30 bucks or something. 30 bucks? Well, no, I bought them for like $18,000 and they're really good socks for $18,000. Well, they really are. I like them. I'm wearing them right now. See? And I've had these for probably 10, 12 years. See? And they even say darn tough. See? Yeah. Great company. And they have their thing in October. I don't know if they had it this year, right? The sock sale? I don't know. I'm never going to go near that place again on a sock sale day. Too many socks? No, too many people. The cars were unbelievable. You should see the parking lot. There was like people parking on the edge of a hill. Where is it? We parked, we parked on the road, I think. Yeah, yeah. It's on Route 12 in, come on, come on, Northfield, and it's before Northfield Falls. Wait a minute. No, it's Northfield Falls then it's Northfield where the University is. Norwich. Okay so in this story they're just kind of going deep into the buyback policy and they're saying that like the customers were like right like like sending gifts when they're asking for like their socks and write these long letters explaining what happened and a lot of people like feel guilty even asking. This is probably the third or fourth time they've gotten socks for these, but just one pair? But the CEO is just like, no, like we, any company wants this kind of engagement with their customers, this is great. And mostly when they send a voucher, most people don't just buy one pair, they buy at least two. So they're getting another sale off of it. Oh, so they changed their policy, what they used to do is actually send you socks, like physical socks. I don't think they're doing that anymore. I think you have to order them maybe. Yeah. Yeah, they've turned a voucher for replacement and ended up ordering more than just one pair. Yeah. So, they've changed it a little bit. Before, I could see how that would have been a bit costly for shipping and all that too. A pair can cost more than $30. That was right. Okay. Yeah, it depends on the sock. Well, you buy five pair and then figure That's like you're paying a hundred fifty dollars for your socks for life Not bad, right I mean they bring it up example He says you go to Walmart buy a six six pack of socks for $8 and too much you're buying socks again Yeah, but I take umbrage with this quote you know You're not burning out a pair of Walmart socks in two months. Oh come on Well, what are you doing? You run in sock races in the hills of the hills of Vermont You work in construction and just your socks? You know, what are you? That's insane. Like, no, that's obviously a hyperbole. But I understand the spirits of the quote. Yeah, darn tough. Not a sponsor. Could be. I mean, you can leave your socks off at retailers, such as REI and Outdoor Gear Exchange, for immediate replacement. So you can take your socks down to Mark's store. We're over to Essex where he has a store now, this weekend is the grand opening, Outdoor Gear Exchange, Essex. That's your boy, right? Yep. Takes in and trade them in. Great company. That's a great way to do it. I mean, again, that's better thinking than what they used to do. You know, just do it automatically, therefore less work for them, less expense. And they take the turned in socks and use them for like blankets and filling for pillows and cushions and stuff. so they recycle them. Great. Very cool. Good to know. Could also make mittens out of them. Let's not get crazy. All right, we are way long. Are y'all ready for a break? Yep. All right, we'll take a break. The music is from, damn it, I did not fix this. Hold on a second. The music is from a band called Brunch, and I'm trying to figure out what the song is called. It's a band called Brunch, it's a live song. uh, Man Is Old. 1, 2, 3, 4!♪I saw the tunnel was rung out all hill today Those I held was held so when I'm left for dead It's such a pity how it all bleeds out today Oh, but I'm so tired now the smoke is gone away♪But they don't know But they don't know A man is old A man is old I waited years To put a fix upon my ship I did not And I think a pretty face Could really get with me Now I won't let you see me too hard to see I said, oh, I just have another time Can somebody help me? Let your love Na-na-na-na-na Let your love Na-na-na-na-na-na Down I said, man, this song Come on, Phil.♪Thanks. Thanks And we're back all right Matt been waiting all week for that Take charge I like that Matt's got broadcasting chops that he is not fully exploiting So our story takes us to Browborough to sit Where a bunch of refugees got their first taste of Halloween That's that school down there, SIT, the language? School of International Training. Hmm, I like that. Oh, it's a famous school. It's very famous. It's right by the hotel we stayed at. Yeah, which is Lottke's or something. Anyway, but yeah, but you walk by and you have no idea. You've just walked by the most, you know, famous blah, blah, blah. It's like the most, you know, nothing door. I worked in when I was in Korea my director of like the oldest most famous English teaching Institute in the country if anyone applied for a job and they had SIT as their education for their masters She would hire him Like she's like their quality and so she was she would always hire those people So I work with so many people from SIT nice in my career Just because that's what that was her preference in little downtown Brattleboro. Yeah, but nobody would even know. No, no, it's not There's no campus. No campus. Well, you know, I think it used to be more of a something now. It's kind of Downgraded. Yeah, right. You see I think is even upstairs second floor office Space that is hard to believe There's anything up there. Do you think just some secretary in a janitor's closet just typing away just like They might be like all schools are doing a lot of online stuff. No, maybe I think so. I did it definitely downsize anyways so this story They've um, they did a trunk or treat. Is everyone familiar with what that means? Nope. That's where you have like a parking lot Cars park obviously then you open your trunk and that's like your that it becomes your Halloween display Oh Oh display, you mean like not handing out candy. Well, you got some candy in there, but like maybe it was like some cobwebs or like blood dripping off your trunk or, you know, you dress it up somehow. Like depending on how your effort level may vary, depending on your commitment to the bit, I guess. Never heard of it. Trunk or treat. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's popular in like communities that are kind of rural where it's kind of hard to walk from door to door. And you get killed by a car anyway, right or it's just like You know, maybe there's maybe for kids that live in a neighborhood where? Giving out candy is not the norm You know, I mean Yeah, so but they do this for refugees. So here's my question Representation of our culture is that what you're gonna say? I just mean like I Think sometimes things are done and some kind of intercultural things are done like really well intentioned, but it's like, you're doing this because this makes you feel good. It's fun for you. Is it fun for the guy from Ethiopia? Does he want to eat a Butterfingers and get scared by a skeleton? You know what I mean? Does that make sense to him? Yeah, I don't know. And some of these decorations, they've gone a little too gory, you know? It's really, and can you imagine, you've just come from a war-torn country, and now you're gonna see body parts and hands coming out of the ground, and you know, apocalypse. What are you, I'm a zombie. Oh my God, my children were killed last year. Yeah, totally glow. I was part of a group, we did this community dinner thing. You go to the Ronald McDonald House and you cook food for the people who stay at the Ronald McDonald House. We brought international students. And we're like, we're gonna cook lasagna. So they all jumped in, we cooked it. And we're like, who wants to try it? And they're like, it looks gross. They're like, here's things we don't like. American noodles, mozzarella cheese, your gross beef, and all this gross sauce you put on it. So it's like, oh, maybe we should have these Chinese kids cook something that they want to eat. Lasagna is one ugly dish. It is ugly, yeah. Yeah. But like when you see how it's made, you're putting all this, you're just dumping ricotta cheese into it. And like, if you think ricotta cheese is repugnant, and you're dumping it into a dish, then if someone asks you to try it, you're probably like, no, I'm good. I've never made that. But yeah, I mean. Lasagna? I've never made lasagna. But yeah, why don't they give us some thought before they do stuff like, I mean, it's just, We all have to make ourselves feel better. It's well-intentioned, right? It's like, but I just, hey, maybe, according to the story, the people liked it. What are you gonna say? Hey, did you like that thing we just did for you? Yes, it was great. Can I still live in your, this shelter that you provided me? I have to go change my pants because you scared the hell out of me. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I'm trying to see like where these, where are the communities, where they're coming from. And how do you explain it to them? Right. This is why we celebrate Halloween. Why do we celebrate Halloween? Yeah, I know. I mean, it's an old, I believe. Oh, it's a religious thing, first of all. Yeah, it had to do with the pagans, and that's why the church came up with the Day of the Dead, my birthday. Yeah, can you imagine, like, so you dress up like zombies and skeletons because you worship the devil? No, no! It's because we want to scare the, it's like, well, why do you do it? Like, it doesn't make any sense. Yeah, people from Eritrea, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, and the Democratic Republic of Congo. Places we can all confidently point to on the map. In Africa, right? Well, not, I know where Afghanistan is, but that's about it. Oh, Afghanistan? Yeah. I could get Yemen in three tries. Eritrea? No idea. I don't even think I'm saying it right. That's in Africa. Yeah, but I don't know where it is. It's small. I think it's on the east coast somewhere. Maybe west coast. I don't know. I thought it was facing the Mediterranean. Yeah, I think it's northern to mid east coast. But it's on the coast. I'm not sure. I think so. I feel such like a moron. You can't know everything about everything, right? You're right, you're right. We all have blind spots. Country in East Africa. Okay. Right above Ethiopia. Okay, does it touch water? It does, it's on the Red Sea. Okay, what's the difference? Oh, so it's even further in, right? Because it comes, first it's the Mediterranean and then it becomes the Red Sea in some little pocket. All the waters connected, it's really just one sea. Can't even get back to that. It's right across the Red Sea from Saudi Arabia. That's a kind of helpful comment. Next to Sudan. So all you geography people... I feel like you're making it harder. I think you're giving me clues that are not helpful. It sounds like an Arab country to me. Eritrea? Yeah. I don't know. Anyway, so a couple of people there. 80 people from those countries got a good taste of Trunk or treat, Brattleboro style. Oh, good for them. Maybe they loved it, maybe not. Going back to Burlington, probably should have grouped this a little bit better, but Burlington is exploring a deal to revamp and redevelop Memorial Auditorium and the surrounding area, which they're calling, like, the Gateway Area? Gateway Block. The Gateway Block. It kind of is. When you come down a hill. Yeah. You know, I mean, right when you get to the bottom of the hill, that's the block, but. Understood. Are they gonna have a gate? That's my question. You know, I keep comparing us to Europe because I just feel like Europe does it all better. You know, you have these European cities, you know, like you have this, there is an arc. There's a magnificence to it. There's an importance. In Chinatown, same way. You go, there's a thing. You walk under, you're in Chinatown. You walk out, you're not in Chinatown. That's right. Because so all the Chinese people know where they should stay. That's right. You just stay on the side of that wall But think about it I For one will never forget the first time I drove down Main Street and how beautiful the city looked You know, it was in June or May. I was in May. I'd never been to Berlin driving down Main Street Wow, this is really it's right on a lake. I didn't know. I didn't know any of that. How many junkies did you see? None at that time. In 1990 there were no junkies. No junkies? Not on the streets. Not on the streets. They're all there. They might have been somewhere, but no. They're all in the state house. Yeah. But, you know, and that's what they're kind of talking about. You know, it's like, but, yeah, they're talking about the Memorial Auditorium, the library, the fire department. And what else is there? Oh, the church. There's a church there, which is the one I thought was the one in the first story. but yeah true but now they're talking about a pretty ugly block well it is now yeah that's why they're trying to fix it because they want it the best thing they can do about with Memorial Auditorium tear it down just like they tore down that ugly motel that was abandoned forever and it was the weirdest looking thing right it was like on stilts that I like I say I moved here in 1990 I don't think that motel was ever open And it was prime property no kidding and it took so long What always bothers me if I'm driving if I'm like I'm looking at this like aerial map in the story And like it's it's when Main Street hits when new ski on your if you're coming If you're heading east to west on your right is a parking lot Right right then on your left is a gas station. That's it. It's just like Huh, like these just, what could these things be? That's just a little bit more. It's like Cumberland Farms in some weird parking lot. I don't know, just. Yeah, they don't mention the parking lot in this story, or do they? I know it was centered on the library, the fire station, the church, and the auditorium. This red line is drawn, the parking lot is included, so maybe that is part of the plan. Well, it has to be, it's on Main Street. Yeah. What are you gonna put there instead of a parking lot? That's it. Get rid of more parking. That's an idea Other cities do this Well, like just figure out what else is happening in other places and copy it Well, they're talking to two developers Eric Farrell And Joe Larkin who's the one that's building the Holiday Inn over here They're Larkin Properties. They own a bunch of hotels. I don't know either of them, but I'd probably hate them both. The Farrells, they just keep building. Seemed like a nice guy, the times we met him in his meetings. Well, you know, we just see... People like him, they see development as improvement. A good thing, yeah. We just see too much development, or not a lot of thought of development, as a bad thing. If you're thinking about things, and supposedly Farrell has a pretty good idea. I think he's the one that built the stuff on North Avenue. Yes, he did, which I haven't gone to see at all. I can't. It's just going to make me sick. Is that housing or something? Yeah, it's housing and condos and stuff. It used to be the orphanage, and then it was made into that college, Burlington College. and then after they realized they can't make it in this new building they sold it to Berwick. And it was the property around it is what he wanted. Now it's overpriced housing to exploit college students. But tear down the auditorium and build real affordable housing. You know Yeah, that's like we watch this show about Tesla last night. He was gonna give America free electricity Nikolai Tesla Yeah, yeah What happens it took him out Oh What's his name Edison the dickhead Morgan? JP Morgan. Oh, that's a kid. Yeah. Yeah, did what took him out? He he got behind Edison Because Edison wanted DC and Tesla wanted AC, which of course, looking back, AC is better. Give me the one minute explanation of the difference. DC, you have to have... Direct current. Direct current. AC is alternate current. Okay, but... I don't know what that means. Yeah, please explain that to me. I remember with Edison, each town would have to have their own little power plant. Motherfucker. because DC does not go as far as alternate current. And so that in its way is good because, well now you appreciate where your electricity is coming from because it's pretty much down the street from you. But on the other hand, it's not gonna make a country grow big and strong and industrious, and industrial when each and every single town has to have its own little power plant. Well, we get it most of our, I think a majority or a good percentage of electricity in Vermont is come from Quebec. Right. And it's water power. So wait a minute. So DC would not wait. So Edison's plan would not make the country strong or Tesla's plan would not make the country strong. Edison's. But the country was strong. Yeah. I mean, it was building up, but that's just it. There was like no electricity all around the place. You know what I mean? This was the beginning of electricity. So we could have been more electric earlier, right? We could have moved on something better by now. It would have been free. Oh Yeah Tesla Tesla found a way or thinks he found a way to tap into the earth's crust and that there's some kind of But anyways, no, no, it's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah because it's not gonna make money for anybody So J.P. Morgan, this sack of shit, was like, I don't like this. Morgan actually was behind Tesla, and then decided, wait a minute, I'm behind the wrong guy. And I think he went with Edison. Yeah, and then. Didn't Edison kill an elephant? Yes, in order to prove how dangerous AC is. To prove that DC is safer, but then again. Wouldn't they both kill an elephant if he just did it right? Or wrong, or whatever? I don't know. But Edison's an ass. A lot of solar stuff is DC though. All of our American heroes are pieces of shit. Once you find out who they are. Yeah, I was thinking about that the other day. What I learned in history class, we learned nothing. I think Lincoln's still okay. Yeah, he might be good. I think George Washington's still... Well, own slave. But did we hear that? I don't know, you might have, but I don't think I remember. I mean, I heard of it, but it wasn't the focus or anything. Yeah, I don't know. Columbus? Big asshole. Oh gosh, no. Dope. Dope, asshole. I was jealous. No, it's not closer yet. I'm not doing that. But yeah, you're right. Most of them are just assholes. Moving on. Matt, we lost one. Palace 9 movie theater is gone. It closed yesterday. Yes, where's that? Which one? It's the one right by Lowe's The one we used to go to like we'd go to the Chinese place for lunch Zen Garden Then we'd walk over there and go to a movie. That's right across the street from there. I was oh man it closed Not even Taylor Swift could save him. So there's only one Er, there's only one theater left in Burlington or South Burlington Yeah. And that's the Roxy downtown? The Roxy's downtown. So there's essentially one theater serving what 80,000 people? Yeah. Then you have Williston, Majestic 12 which is yeah and then you got Pile of Shit. Yeah. Then you got Essex which I've never been to. What do you say that's a pile of shit? Yeah, why do you say that? Okay, well I went there last weekend. Oh that's right, you said you were going. Yeah, saw Killers of the How much do you think it cost me? Ticket, value popcorn, value drink.$29.$26.85 or something like that. What did you say?$29. I said $25. You're closer, but right in the middle, essentially. I don't know, man. It was fine. The big theater. It wasn't worth $26 for what I got. It's Bleacher style, too, right? so everybody could see the screen. What else would it be? Well, in the older theaters you had some of these, you know. Marge Simpson came up. Yeah. Pretty much. What year is that? Savoy was out. Savoy in Montpelier. And they had these hard wooden chairs. It's just flat? Yeah, pretty much. It's pretty much, pretty much, yeah. And even in, let me go to the Palace Nine. I mean, if somebody tall sat in front of me, I couldn't see. but if I go to Williston or Essex, you know. We could see. Yeah, you gotta be. Because it's like stadium seating. Yeah, I'll put it like this. The Williston Theater feels like the theaters I went to when I was a teenager. Yeah. And so. Yeah, Essex are much better. Okay. Yeah, it's more like a seating kind of thing. It feels a lot more room, I think. I just feel like these movie theaters, they're not innovative enough. Like, they should be doing all kinds of events. You know like anything like birthday parties show an NFL game on Sunday people would show up serve beer You know, I mean like do something fun different like, you know, I mean like yeah Patriots game that uh, you know Patriots games anything and make it an event, you know, like you're not a movie theater. You're an event space That's how they should be thinking You're right. I actually think they do that in Essex do that. Well, they have their own event space out there Like World Cup do World Cup shit like like open it 5 a.m If that's that when games are on people will show up if you promote it, right and market it, right? Oh, yeah World Cups big in the country now. I was even though we suck Well, we okay last time is that soccer? Yes football football football football Yeah, I've been to Palestine Palace nine many many times. Yeah, it's a shame that's gone. I mean, it's just All those theaters like that are closed. They're Obsolete. Well think of what big apartment building they could put there just like they did there in the front. Well What's gonna go there? Probably I bet you this Sits there for years. Oh Yeah, another Pizza Hut situation It's gonna get tagged to death and look ugly the guy that owned it years ago. This we're talking 30 years ago Jim Palace Yeah, that was his name He owned the Roxy, which at the time was a different name, and he opened this place, and I talked to him one day, he said his most profitable, because he owned a bunch of movie theaters, was in Newport, because all the Canadians would come across the border to watch movies, because they didn't have anything near them. What was he showing? Just regular movies. Yeah, just regular first-run films or something. No, he just said that so many people came over the border because they didn't have movie theaters up there. So, but I don't know if it's saying, it's a family that own this. And I guess this guy didn't show up for their interview when they, so. I love that. Yeah, it's a nice little theater. Yeah. It just, yeah, it just sucks. I mean, it's just, you know, sign of the times, right? and people don't watch movies communally anymore. They watch them on their own time. Like, if I could have watched Killers of the Flower Moon alone, or with my wife, it's a three and a half hour movie glow. If I could have broken that up into three parts over three nights, I probably would have liked it more. Really? Yeah. Because it's too long for you? It's too long and not Scorsese's best. Did they have an intermission? No. Some theaters are throwing out an intermission. Yeah. And we had the Taylor Swift experience right next to us and like what was that Taylor Swift has a concert film out. Yeah It's like it's like a thing for young girls to go there and scream and sing and dance Making billions we could hear it as it was happening. So not a thought thought out idea there. Well, I mean We only a couple times was it like intrusive? But it's just like I don't know maybe put like a them next to an empty theater movie theater You know going to a movie theater has lost. It's like going on an airline. It's lost its luster. You don't even I still That's all I thought about all week is okay What movie are you gonna watch this weekend cuz I you know, I went all the time and I went to Palace I'd be the only one in a matinee some weird foreign movie or something, you know, but Doesn't hold that allure But they also, they don't create the allure, right? It's not like Palace was showing like Kung Fu Night or... They weren't trying stuff, as far as I know. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but they weren't trying to step out and do stuff that's a little bit weird to try to attract... If you get a cult following, you could really do well on that. Thea Lewis did the Halloween thing with... What's that movie? Everybody, it's a cult movie. Rocky Horror? Rocky Horror, yeah. Yeah. Thea Lewis did it down at Palace Night. Yeah. She did it. Yeah. Yeah, when I lived in Berkeley, California, there was the Berkeley Theater. It was an old theater. It was huge. And they changed their movies almost every day. So, you know, one day would be film noir. Thursdays was Hong Kong night. That's the thing. Like, you know, it was great. I mean, and you're in a college town, you're right down the street from the university, so it was, they did a hell of a business. I really think that if they had the right vision of how to market it and connect, especially to the colleges here, because, you gotta understand, kids now who are getting into film, they've probably never seen Chinatown, or even like Go Morbz here, they've probably never seen, Um, the fuck's that Japanese noodle one? Oh, Tempopo. They probably never seen Tempopo. It's a great movie. You know, stuff like that, where it's like, this is what we're showing and like, you have that connection. So like students know, like, hey, every Thursday I'm going to go see something I've never even heard of or never thought of. And afterwards I'm going to go talk about it with my friends. Cassavetes night. Yeah. Something like that. Killing of a Chinese bookie. Yeah. Yeah. Go watch that. Saint Jack. Yeah, yeah, or with Ben Gazzara, something like that, you know, anything, yeah. No, it was great, it was wonderful to be in a town like that, because if I had nothing to do on a Tuesday night, and they were showing Out of the Past, anyway, obscure. All right, moving on. Speaking of students, grad students at UVM are trying to unionize. Students are trying to unionize? Grad students who are also employees of the university. So, I knew a grad student. He made a certain amount of money a month from UVM, and then they opened up the new grad student housing, and the cost of housing was pretty much exactly what he made in one month. So he's like, how do they expect me to afford this? They know what they pay me, and I make exactly what other grad students make, because pretty much across the board. So it's like, yeah, all of your money just goes back to the school for rent. Like, what the fuck is that? Doesn't make any sense. It's like the old factory towns where they had the factory store and script was used and you were stuck buying only from them, from the factory. Exactly. Wow, UVMs really, they turned back the clock. I think it's like also the medical center had like the housing for like nurses it's like what are we doing like your employer should not be your landlord but you've said that many times it's it's a motto yeah so they're trying you guys against it and UVM is obviously dissuading people against that and they put up like this website trying to you know explain to students like if you unite you're gonna miss out a lot of opportunities and when digger reached out to them for a comment, they just send Digger a link to the website. No comment. Which makes me think you don't have a good position. You don't want people asking real questions while you're doing this. Let's create all the questions and all the answers, and we'll just control the narrative that way. So I don't know. It just seems like an inevitability at this point, as far as the students immunizing. But I could be wrong UVM seems like a terrible place Moving on Glow a tire slicer is changing the game for dairy farmers. I love this story wait a tire Slicer yeah, you can imagine what it does. Yeah somebody Oh Buddy, oh, I was thinking Well, growing up in Newark. Go down there and get old Billy, the tire slicer. Yeah, well, it was more like, you know, you had a knife and you'd grab somebody's tire and you'd flatten their tire because you didn't like how they parked. Seen that happen. Jeez, everyone get in line. Right. No, it's a different kind of tire slicer. Oh, I see, okay. That's not slashing? Oh, that's slashing, not slicing. But isn't it really when you come down to it, you're doing the same thing, you're cutting. Slicing, dicing. Well, it's actually more of a stabbing that you're describing. Yeah, that's true. Okay. It's, we got all kinds of names for the same thing in a lot of ways. Have you ever slashed someone's tires? No. Have you thought about it? No. First one I believe, second one I don't believe. No, really? You've never thought about it? No, I really have not. Have you ever thought like, you walked out, you looked at someone's car, you ever thought like, I wish I had laser beams out of my eyeballs. I could just blow this car up, you know? No, but I mean, if you want to, it's every time I do see stuff that I do think of how back in wherever I've been, you did not park that way, unless you really wanted your tires sliced. So I do, right? I go through this all the time. Every time I see a shitty parking, I always think to myself, I wouldn't work in Newark. So you want someone else to come around and slice the tires. You don't want any culpability. Exactly. You want the tire slashed, but you don't want to be the slasher. Exactly. Got it. All right. Yeah. Glad we worked that out. Somebody do your dirty work. Community dirty work. Would you like to be my slasher? We have a firm policy on this show. We do not admit to crimes or even future crimes, but we'll talk about it. So anyway, okay, lots of dairy farmers use tires. to weigh down tarps covering the field. All over the state. Nobody uses silos anymore because, well, you know, they're more work, I guess, and upkeep. And they blow up. Old tires work well for the job because they're heavy and often free, but they're also a hassle. Tires are hard to move and store. They fill up with dirty water and can spread disease. No kidding. And they make mosquitoes go bang crazy. Yeah, see? And you're blaming it on my little pond, the increase in mosquitoes, Honey, we don't have farms with tires in our neighborhood, but we have the swamp out back. The grotto. You and the mosquitoes, not you, but the mosquitoes over there just like having a day in the grotto. Best 48 hours of their life, or only 48 hours of their life. Anyway, so what's happening, they're cutting them all up because, just because they are actually a problem. I mean, they were a great idea at first, not really, but now this is the solution to get rid of them. Well, I don't totally understand the story, but the way I understand it, the circle would collect water, so they're cutting them so they can be, I guess, turned upside down, so they're not collecting water. But they're still holding stuff down. They're still a cheap source of things that people are just kinda throwing away. I get it. Yeah, it's like a bagel. You know how you slice a bagel across the horizontal axis Axis axis. Well, that's exact. Okay. This makes sense now. Yeah, right And then you flip it upside down because otherwise if you leave it cup up, it's not gonna defeating the purpose Yeah, you should make it a smaller grotto. Yeah More exclusive, there's a velvet rope for those mosquitoes. So yeah, so they're doing this, and I guess it's super popular, so people are calling up and I guess people are like, I'll take 100. One person called and said, I'll take all of them. Like, just give me all of them. Oh, so they're cut ahead of time. It's not like they come to your farm and do it there on site. They didn't know how much in demand this would be, but once they did it and they put out the call, like, hey, if anyone wants these, We'll give them to you and then everybody wants everyone wants them That's the problem I mean if you drive any time we take a little road trip we see farms and I always wonder Where do they get all these tires? They have hundreds of them. Oh, I used to get those tires. They're easy to get I Decided I was gonna read I saw something in some Wow, magazine, wherever. Why do you say it like that? You paused it as if it was some bad magazine. I saw it in, uh, it was Mad Magazine. Yeah, it was, actually. I was flipping through my cracks. So I built up this entire wall of tires to hold up the property. Where'd you get them? There was obviously plenty of garages in Montpelier that had always, you know how it is, they just throw them in the back like garbage. And they were happy, are you kidding? Because it cost them money to get rid of them. So I took them. They hope people come along like Gloria. Can I have 40 of your tires? Yeah, take them all. Oh yeah, which was, I gotta tell you though, it was the most dumbest idea because you start out on the bottom and you take the dirt from the top, right? And you keep taking the dirt from the top because you gotta tamp down the tire. What are you doing this for? I missed something. When I lived in Middlesex, there's a wall of tires. I mean, we're talking... Why? Why, why, why? Because I thought it would be, one, a great way to use tires, reuse tires. Okay. And... You just happen to have a bunch of them laying around. I feel like the second reason is going to be the real one. Well, hopefully. I mean, I don't know if that was really my intention, but it was to hold up the wall. I had a lot of fill brought in. What do you mean wall wall of your house? I understand what's happening. Yeah, okay This property that I just explained earlier. That was only 20 What is property 25,000 square Mind everybody People are not tuning in now They was listening to this now, they're just like they're getting rewarded by this gem of a story It was either gonna be blasting which is not a good idea Yeah. Blasting? That's what I'm talking about. Don't ever think just because it's only $20,000 that it's gonna be a cheap house. But what, I don't understand, like, what's the wall for? What are you walling against? Okay, well, I was backtracking as to why there is even a wall in the first place. I think, let's start at the beginning. How about that? What are we doing? Why? So, we had to bring a lot of fill in and build up the house. So the house is built up Therefore it's like it's made itself a hill when there wasn't a hill. Okay. So now there's a slope Got you where all this fill could start eventually Falling, you know deteriorating eroding into the Forest that butts up to it. All right And so I saw it on some stupid thing and I got myself the idea. Oh, I'm gonna do two things at once I'm gonna, you know, get these tires out of the landfill and I'm gonna build this enormous Well, I actually still have a picture of it I hope those bastards have found it and now I've had to tear it all up because Yeah, the bastards meaning the people that bought your property Those people who just did me wrong Oh, you don't want to get there, but now they're building more on that property. And I have purpose. But aren't bastards. Aren't these tires like good for insulation? Like you build how like underground houses by using just tires and dirt and whatever. And it's just, it's great insulation. Because the wall is going to be at least a good three feet wide and that alone, like in places like in the desert and places like that, that then controls the amount of heat, but also the amount of coolness in some ways because it's just, what? I don't ever want to think about those things. Like when you're talking to me about like, I do these tires because this thing might slide and this, the wilderness, like you're having the same calculations as like Moses. I don't want to do that. There's a better way, you know what I mean? Like, you know, when my mom realized what I was gonna do, she said, I came to this country just so that you could go back to where we came from. You know, she was, it was like, it was broken hearted. That makes a lot of sense. Like, I can understand like her perspective. Like, I did all of this sacrifice and now you want to live in a tire house? You want to live in a tire house in the middle of nowhere, off the grid? You're like, yes, that makes me happy and you want and you want to shit into a composting toilet And you want to live only on whatever power you generate from your solar panels and you only want to why would you want to do? To get back at you mom We could have done this while you're growing up and I can retire in Italy Italy I don't know where she wants to live, I don't know. I just thought that was the fanciest place I thought of. Actually, she never even wanted to go back to Portugal. OK, so you retire in what's the greatest place in New Jersey? New Jersey. Newark? Actually, in some ways, yes. Because that's her community. You walked everywhere. Because, well, forget about moving your car if you ever was lucky enough to have a parking space. But anyway, so everybody walked to stores. And there's every block had their own stores on a corner, you know, we had Johnny's we had Donna's Didn't do well. So like my cousin who's now gonna be turning 80 something soon. Mm-hmm. Shout out to Marcelo Lourdes Lourdes anyway, she She has a home in Tom's River, which you know It's by the shore. It's close, Tom's something, but it's not Tom's River. But she'd rather stay in the house in Newark. Okay, well. Because why? She can walk everywhere, even though she's as old as she is, but doesn't matter. I mean, she enjoys the camaraderie because she's got people and she's very fluent in both languages, so that's not the reason. My other cousins, yeah, that is a reason. It's because they don't really speak English, so they're gonna stay there. I mean, that's. How much time, okay, so, this is something that I've always seen in TV and movies, and growing up where I grew up, it didn't exist. The stoop. Oh, I love the stoop. Did you spend a lot of, what was your stoop time like? Did y'all holler from the stoop? Did you holler at people walking in front of you at the stoop? Well, okay, you don't know me by the stoop. Oh, we know definitely about this. I can go on and on about what the stoop in Newark Especially on a hot summer night was like Everybody was out on their stoops because well one it was hot and nobody had the money to buy an AC yet. So Frank would drink his tenant on the third floor, who was like my second dad, would drink his Schaefer beer and smoke his Chesterfield cigarettes. Sounds like a classy fella. And the stoop next to us, the Rossamanos, but also the Italians, the Ciccolis, the Rossamanos, they were all one family who lived all in one house. You said eight names, but that's one family, okay. Only because of husbands and they took on, but they were sisters and anyway, they actually put out lounge chairs on the sidewalk because we had a wide enough sidewalk so anybody walking around in the summertime at night, which we did back then, and they'd stop and talk to the Moranos, they'd talk to us, whatever. It was like, and then the ice cream truck would come. And, oh, that's like. Did you lose your mind? Not really. I was a quite restrained 12-year-old I recognized that it was a the sugar content was a little too high and it wasn't a good choice for me. To this day I do not eat ice cream. Yeah right. But I you know I think the world needs more porch stoop whatever time yeah people walking by. We all knew each other. Yeah I think we're too far apart. Yeah. Physically and figuratively. Right. But the thing what we're trying to do is develop the same thing that I grew up in, which is where you walk, each store has its own specialty. There's the bakery, the Italian bakery, they make their bread this way. There's another bakery that does, and fish markets. We each had their, we had different fish markets. Then when there was also a fresh live poultry market, there was two of them. You told us about that, yeah. And then there's the pork store. You know, they make only. There's a strip club in my favorite store. Pork store. So there was all these like little businesses as part of like the community and mostly on corners, but not always, you know. And anyway, and then because you had to walk, it just, I don't know, you have to meet people because you're not driving in a car, which makes us anonymous. It reminds me of my Korean neighborhood. I never had conversations with these people, didn't grow up with these people, but I lived there for enough time in the same place where I had my dry cleaner, I had my grocery store woman, I had my favorite store, I had this place I went to for coffee, and they all were like, hey. And even like, I wasn't there for a couple years and I came back to visit, and the dry cleaner's like, pointing at me like, what the fuck, you're back? And I'm like, hey man, and he's like, hey. There's something to be said for that in your life. I mean, when we were down in Florida, we stayed at this old hotel in Bradenton. We loved it. And we noticed him building an apartment building right next door. We said, could we live downtown Bradenton? There's not that kind of stores. No. I mean, you don't see a hardware store. I had Nitty's hardware store right around the corner and my parents never paid and all Nitty did was just write it down he would only just keep tabs of how much my father bought but What downtown's have that anymore? That's what I'm saying. Nobody does and that's the problem Nobody has that anymore and that they're trying to recreate it and it's not gonna work once you have a taste of a car You're never going back You're not because I mean I didn't have a car in Berkeley. I didn't mind it at all. I never wanted to drive in Seoul. Never. And you know maybe if I ever moved back to the old neighborhood, I would not want a car either. But then again, they don't have everything. We didn't have veterinarians. We hardly had dentists. We had, you know, very little. I mean, you know what I'm saying? A bunch of toothless animals. It's only him. I was hardly a dentist. It's like, you're gonna go to Dr. McGillicuddy? Well, he's kind of a dentist. He's also kind of a creep, so. But yeah, we didn't have that kind of infrastructure. That's the problem. So eventually, yeah, you're gonna want somebody who has a car who's gonna take you to a better doctor, like a proctologist in, you know. A better proctologist. It's in South Hill or oh, no, what's the name in a big fancy? It's a suburb of Newark. That's very very expensive a better Proctologist. Yeah, the guy three soups down dabbles in proctology, but you want to go to a better proctologist you got to go to Cherry Hill or Exactly. I think you may have hit All right moving on like I I did enjoy the deep dive and stoop culture. I like that. Glo, 50,000, 50, 15, 15,000 gallons of heating oil were spilled in Putney. Oh, man, where, spilled where? Into a, on the road? No. Uh-oh. In a river. Connecticut River. Okay, first of all, how did that happen? What were they, just happened to be parked there and all of a sudden something busted open? No, it's, it's, it's built for the paper mills tank. What? They have a paper mill on the river and it spilled from their tank. There's still a paper mill? Yeah. Wait a minute. Are they still operating as a paper mill? What do you think they are? Well, it was paper mills in these days in Vermont. We still need paper, don't we? Well, actually, probably not for very long. I hope not right. I mean we have a pile of paper here. We don't ever use wish we didn't No, I have the printer is over here. I know but you don't need to know that Is this old stuff that's been sitting in the tank and it's been an abandoned factory no, I think this is a mill It's a functional mill. Are you serious? I'm gonna go see this. Well, it's White River Junction. So next I don't know It's in Putney. Putney. How to go to Putney now. Go to Putney. Hey on the way down. We're going Tuesday Yeah, we're gonna stop in Putney Check out their So glow here's a good news they recovered a good chunk of it Really, which is it which I don't know what it means. How do you do that? I don't know, but they said they recovered like 12,000 of the 15 It's got to be like this huge skimmer or something that to be able to This is they call it sludgy number two heating oil Sludgy meaning you're not gonna want that in your house. I mean anything called number two or sludgy You know. You could probably heat a house with it. Well, yeah, you probably could. I wouldn't recommend it, but yeah, you probably could. So they recovered 12,000 gallons of the sludgy number two. But there's 3,000 gallons, obviously, still of the sludgy number two, like parts unknown. But they think it's not in the water, they think it's under the tank somewhere. So they're still looking for like these. So, you know what I mean, like, Okay, so let's just get into my cartoon mind. Sludgy number two spills into the river. It's floating as a mass. So they can probably clearly find where it starts, right? If it's just like a massive ooze. They know exactly where it starts. But like, okay, grab it and they work backwards towards the plant. So they're probably like, well, I think we've gotten it all, but they didn't have, they're able to measure, they didn't have all of it, so maybe it's on land somewhere? You know what I mean? Oh that could happen. Yeah, it will attach itself to the banks. I mean, that's a habit. So, environmentally? It's not great. But they got a lot of it. Yeah, they did. And the fire department did it, didn't they? That's cool. The fire department and Vermont HAZMAT team responded to the spill, first report, and installed spill booms to prevent the flow of oil and to absorb it. I mean, the fire department and the hazmat team, I think like Who do you think did all the work? I mean, the fire department was like putting down flares and stuff and they're like roping off to put down cones. The hazmat team is... I don't want to besmirch the fire department. Yeah, let's not do that. Well, they're not oil, they're not sludgy number two removal people, you know? The hazmat team. Hey, that shit catches on fire, guess what? The hazmat people would step aside, the fire department steps in. But, you know, everyone's got their lane, right? So, I don't know. Connecticut River, does that really affect us? Yes, it all it runs the whole state of Vermont Some questions anything one little tiny drop affects us all Look at the big picture. That's a huge picture You have a different perspective when you cut down some fucking trees in the backyard I've only cut the roots. Um... Okay. We do not address that. Stop addressing the trees in the backyard. Alright, Glo, what do you know about Putney, Vermont? Not anything. Population? 1,269. Close. I like that you're very specific. Uh, 2,617. That's before the spill. So we may have lost some in the spill. Where is Putney? Good question. What is it, Matt? No, he knows. I know where it is. And I didn't know. I thought this was, be honest with you, until I read this today, I thought it was on the other side of the state. So tell us, where is it? It's right on the Connecticut River. Right above Brattleboro. It's above Brattleboro. Not much to say about Putney, except the notable people this town has produced. It's gotta measure up against almost any town, especially their size. The people that were from this town, when I saw that, right? Let us know. I stole his thunder, because he was gonna do the same thing. It's incredible. You have much more reverence for these people than I do, so please continue. I mean, George Aiken, our favorite senator, who wanted to end the Vietnam War, says, declare victory and get the fuck out. That was his idea. Or get the hell out. He says, declare victory and get the hell out. That was his solution. He's a great guy. John Irving, the author. Prayer for O'Meany, one of my favorite books. Have you watched the movie? Yeah. Well, the movie wasn't called that. It was called Simon Birch. Yeah, Simon Birch, Birch. It was one of those things you couldn't make into a movie. Well, hold on. Let's look at John Irving for a second because I have thoughts about his Garp, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're jumping ahead of me. So, John Irving made a bunch of movies, and his... His books made a lot of, became a lot of movies. Yes. So, these are them. The World According to Garp, Robin Williams, Glow, you've seen it, I assume? Maybe, I can't remember. I've never seen it. What? I don't think I've seen it. Y'all should watch that pretty soon, because I think you would both like it. You'd probably like it, okay. Really? Yeah, I think you'd both like it a lot. Okay. Okay. Hotel New Hampshire, never seen it. Never have seen it. Simon Birch, seen it, not that good. Not that good. Cider House Rules. Loved. I read the book. I don't think I could watch the movie. He did something called The Door and the Floor, which. Is that good? But I think he's an interesting person because I feel like Cider House Rules, which is 99, was like the end of not just like the 90s, but like a kind of movie. Like we don't have that kind of movie anymore. There's never just like something that's like kind of like this somewhat quiet look at a person's growth. Not a lot. Just doesn't really happen anymore. And I wonder what it made, like Box Office. I think it was like a big hit, because we all know it. Some of the other people from Putney. Errol Morris, I'm sure you don't know who he is. No, he's one of the best Documentary filmmakers, it's him and Ken Burns. Those are the things like that Yeah, he's I mean, it's unbelievable, I Didn't have any clue that he was from because I've watched almost all of his movies And also Errol Morris looks kind of like a thicker kind of dude Like I bet he could go back in the day. I bet like you don't want to fuck with Errol Morris back in the day Melissa Leo, an actress who was on Homicide, Life in the Street, and has been in many movies. You'd recognize her if you've seen her. Is she hot? No, she's just kind of red-haired. She plays... Oh, she's always a rough kind of woman. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's Melissa Leo. She's pretty. Yeah. Yeah, she's... Peter Shumlin came from, who I don't really like very much, but he came from this place. Jody Williams, who was the 1997 Nobel Prize winner, I think it was because she was working with getting rid of mines in like Cambodia and places like that. Even one of Ted Williams's sons was born there. But unbelievable, you know, US Attorney for Vermont, all these people who were just, you know, for that small There's gonna be a little center at least a church, you know that a steeple I wonder what this little town looks like Matt you also missed one Because it probably doesn't mean anything to you because it's a doesn't affect you at all But like Reid Hoffman the founder the person who created LinkedIn Really? I mean, I know that doesn't mean much to you all but like that's essentially like it's up there with like Facebook It's not it's not on it's not on the same level, but it's like it's I know I used to have in an account on LinkedIn. That's incredible. Yeah. Errol Morris, who knew? He's probably the most impressive one to me, personally. Errol Morris, oh yeah. You ever seen his documentary Vernon, Florida? Uh-huh. Vernon? Vernon, Florida. I knew one of my, the guy who lived with me for a couple months, his ex-wife now is from Vernon, Florida and her graduating class was like 10 people. And I watched the documentary and I was like, Yeah, yeah, that explains a lot. What's it about? It's this town in Florida, it's just, it's... A very small, swampy kind of town, and people just talking about their lives, and his style is just like, you in front of the camera, go. It's really interesting. The Fog of War is another one. With Leonard McNamara, it'll just piss you off. The Thin Blue Line, which is about these guys in Texas who were accused of a crime, didn't do it, but the cops, you know, it's just incredible. Yeah, so. Yeah, Fog of War sounds great. I had no idea he was from there. All right, moving on. All seems kind of anticlimactic now. I took a couple things off. Human trafficking spa that we talked about maybe a year ago has reopened. So Matt, are you able to open the story? Ah, you gotta go. I know. You gotta go to, anyway, I'll show you the photo. You have to go to incognito mode, But yeah, look at this photo. Take away that car. That is like 1970s Serpico photo shoot. It's great. These undercover agents, guys wearing as tight pants as he could, you know. Oh, my God. So there was a spa, I think it was called the Rainbow Spa. It was closed a couple of years ago because they were a surprise. Asian spa, human trafficking. And they are now reopening. So in Brattleboro. Yeah. As a spa again. Well, it's not like a rec center a Real spa. Well, what do you mean by real? Well, you just said it was before it was for human trafficking and probably more than that Yeah, it's just you know, just it's just a spa spa glow I don't know what you I don't you're implicating here The idea is that it's okay to reopen, I guess. Yeah, when you're labeled human trafficking, you should be able to open again, reopen, right? I would think so. I mean, you should be in jail, no? Why are you even free to reopen? I don't know. Yeah, they can't, I guess it's being investigated, but they can't comment on the results. So unless there's an unprofessional conduct case that's filed publicly or a criminal affidavit that's filed, we don't have any public information. And in this case, we don't have any of those things. So it's back up. They'll be sending in the undercovers. Probably won't be a happy ending. Yuck, yuck, yuck. Yeah, anyway. So yeah, if you're in Brattleboro and you're looking for a shady place to go for a massage, what's it called? They just call it a massage parlor, a local massage parlor here. Yeah, they don't even give a name, do they? I don't know. And the photo is called Rainbow Therapeutic Spa, but maybe that has changed since the controversy. travesty. All right, moving on. Bennington Realtor Jennifer with one N Hoffman has cracked a case. Yeah, I put this on because I thought it was kind of interesting. She got a call from some people who wanted to sell a piece of property and, you know, everything was cool, but there was something in the back of her mind that maybe something was amiss. So it turned out the people who were trying to sell the property didn't actually own it. You know, it was a whole big scam. And she the only reason she knew it, because she read about it in some realty magazine that this was happening. And she finally contacted the real owner. She's not what I'm selling, you know, that kind of stuff. So where were the owners? I mean, didn't you know, neither lived in Vermont. Oh, and they're doing this remotely, remotely. I've heard of this. I mean other people having the same thing. So what happens like they like she like someone emails her like hey I love it by your place Click this link and I mean how do they like send me this money and we'll get this get it started like they want like Like some kind of cost up front like a little bit of money up front to get it the process started good question No, I think she got a call from some people who were interested in selling this piece of property and they had the specifics and stuff like that. But she ended up doing some research, in fact, and found out that the real owners don't live in Vermont either. But had recently been there thinking about what to do with the property and all that stuff. But yeah, she just got in the back of her mind and went, something's up here. And finally near the end of the process too. It took her a while to get there I'm trying to like find the scam because I feel like look People don't know about like you're the first time buying a house You don't know what the process is But like I did a couple years ago like I had to meet with several people I think you're like and like good like a fucking bank and like sit down with like eight people in the room and we're all Signing documents, you know, I mean, it's not like yeah, I know it's not like you go to the phone So I don't know like well, she found out but she finally figured out when she noticed the the Bennington tax bill Was with an address in Pennsylvania, but the people who were contacting her were from, California And then they you know, they said well, we're just you know, we we just recently moved and all that stuff But still in the back of her mind Something's up God, can you imagine you wake up and you're like, when you gather your family around the breakfast table, you're like, from now on we're a scamming family. Right. We scam. So think of your best scam and just let us know and we're all on board. And some kid's like, I have a real estate scam. I'm like, all right, let's scam this scam. I'm like, just, what the fuck? Yeah, they had everything set up. We had all the money, it was gonna be delivered and all that stuff. Good thing she figured that out. know. Glow, it's Burger Week. Burger Week? I thought it was Burger Almost Every Day. I wish. The world you live in, but it's Burger Every Day. It's Burger Week sponsored by Bud Light. Bud Light? Remember them? They had a day right here or whatever. Yeah, so you can scroll down all the way to the bottom, find your favorite burgers from your favorite establishments. Good luck finding one under $15 and that's the special. I don't know man I feel like we just as a country we've kind of lost the plot. We've jumped the shark on hamburgers. Yeah burgers are done like we're we're living in a post burger America. Cafe Province has submitted a spotted dog salmon burger. Fuck you. Skinny pancake a Vermont black and blue burger, fuck you. And Smash Burger, what's this? It's where you like throw on the griddle, it's really hot, you smash, yeah. It's very popular for people who don't have time. That's the worst thing you can do to a burger. Halverson submitted a Bailey Melt, fuck you. Fire Knives Restaurant, a Big Moose Burger, North Country Burger, those are good, but I'm guessing, let's see, let's see what the price is on these bad boys. Yeah, $18.95 for a burger. You get a couple onion rings with those as well. I mean, what are we doing? It's, yeah, I think it's gone nuts. It really has. It's completely out of control. Five guys is like, what, $12, $13 bucks now. Really? That's the thing. It's also out of control. What's McDonald's? McDonald's is probably a burger and fries for $8 you're walking out of there? I saw somebody complaining about it on Twitter. Can't afford to eat at McDonald's anymore. Well, good. Yeah, it's good, but also it's like but even that like there's The days have taken your kid there or your three kids there for dinner are over now And I'm surprised there hasn't been like a McDonald's competitor that pops up. It's like We're we're three dollars cheaper McDonald's and because they must you must be able to make a profit just doing that Thanks. Oh Yeah, I looked at all these burgers and I don't know just too much crap on them My favorite burger is just a, you know, maybe a little cheese, American cheese, you know, lettuce, tomato, pickle. I like this brisket burger, though. Which one? Brisket burger. Oh, that's probably pretty good. You gotta go down a little further. So, Matt, to your point, I'm just gonna read the description of the Essex Farmhouse Burger, okay? Now, tell me if you wanna eat this or fuck this. I am. A Vermont-raised Angus beef patty topped with North Country smoked bacon. Vermont farmstead alehouse cheddar a local fried egg Essex honey and pickled jalapeno aioli Arugula Maine tomatoes and tobacco onions on a grilled challah roll Didn't say where the arugula is from Yeah, the brisket burger we just found the arugula we just found it brisket burger does look great doesn't it that's probably french-fried onions on it stuff like that it's got it's just brisk it's not a real burger I never heard of this place though that's because we've never been to Brownsville Vermont oh it sounds north it is because isn't that the one where there is a african-american teacher who lived in that's Brownington okay oh well that's where my grandfather was born. Brownington. Northeast kingdom. Anyways, Burger Week, did you have a burger this week? I made one this morning. Well, actually, this early afternoon, because I was like, oh, it's Burger Week, I want a burger, I'm not gonna buy a burger. Nothing like throwing it in a pan and making a burger, right? Got some frozen crinkle fries in the oven. Wife was super happy with it, it was very, very medium. So, the burgers, that's what we like, it's perfect, good. You're looking at me? I know, you like yours without the bun. And lots of cheese, so I can hide the fact that I'm eating, no, I mean, actually. Hide the fact that she's eating meat. You'll have this cheese on top. Glo, do you ever crave meat? No. No? I mean, once, maybe a steak every month or two. Okay. Every other month maybe but no like we would we've had we had that meat yesterday And I taste it well like meat and I really didn't like it. It's just it's a piece of it's a Feeding it to a dog More or less we were eating the dogs Steaks For the dog just like the farmers dog Dog has diabetes. He needs kind of certain kinds of food So we you know, I just said well, I mean I got this bag. I got another bag full I don't know what I'm gonna do with it. So let's just have a little bit of this Y'all eating the dogs dinner For rich people rich people treat their dogs. We love this dog But anyways, yeah, it's just like, it's just a bit, it's a boring, it had no fat on it. You gotta have fat. It's like a filet mignon. It's a boring piece of meat. You might cut easily, but there's no flavor. You know what? You want a ribeye. Marbled. Marbled. Or the flavor is of meat. There's a different, like... Or the fat. I guess the flavor is fat. Because otherwise you taste meat which to me is like, okay No, no, it's not it's just I left the rest of it from It's definitely not poison Are you ready for a break? Yep. Yeah. All right. The song the band is super normal the song is Fucking Boring. Being good at singing is fucking boring. I'm never ever auditioning for TV. I know you want to, but you don't have to compliment me. Being good at singing is fucking boring. I scored my SATs, but easy to me. And we're back. So the scumbag map is wide and varied this week. It is very lengthy. A lot of scummy things happening. Yeah, and the first one happened very close to here. Yeah, I was trying to organize the scumbag map as like from kind of silly to serious, then kind of silly again. So this first one is Burlington. in an ambulance, stolen during an emergency call by the person who made the call. Wow, another new scam, that's great. Yeah, have an overdose, get the ambulance to come, and then steal the ambulance, and then crash it. Yes, so yeah, so he, crew responded to an overdose, and then their ambulance was stolen by the person who had overdosed. They called the police, so the dispatcher's like, well, now we're the victims. They called the police, and they look at the ambulance who had crashed into a parked car, but it was a very low speed crash. No injuries, minimal damage. On a street very close to here. Where was it? South Prospect. What are you talking about? That's where we live. Did y'all see it? No, we weren't here. I didn't see it either. It was further down the road, but. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. As far as the map, I think I saw. Anyways, kind of amusing little story. Yeah, so firefighters and ambulance drivers be on notice. When you jump out, grab the keys. But I wonder if they do leave it running for like that quick purpose, you know? Maybe they do have to, maybe they have to, yeah, okay. For one thing, you know, it may not start again. I was gonna say, imagine like, imagine like you get everyone locked up, you're like, oh, it's a fucking alternator. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like, yeah, so maybe they have no choice, so maybe they just had luck. Moving on, Matt. The Morrisville police operation. You know, I saw this on, I forget, Twitter or something, Facebook. There was a big police operation in Morrisville. And then this story, which is... It was nothing. What kind of operation? They were raiding this drug house. This place in Morrisville that all the neighbors say they're selling drugs. They raid the house, they find nothing. This is the part of the movie where the drug dealers were tipped off a couple of days before the raid. That's what it seems like, no? That's what it seems like to me. But again, I base my life off movies. So I don't know what actually happens in the real world. What do you think? Either they were very lucky or you got a sense maybe something was happening or somebody tipped them off. Or do you think these neighbors are like these are black people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it could be. They must be up to something and that was it. Cars going in and out all the time. Yeah, there's probably several of them that live there and you know, yeah It could be that and they you know, there's no It's a PT. Oh No, it's a my shame Champlain Valley story. So there's really nothing You know no story, but yeah, but yeah, they've several hours. They're doing their operation Don't buy anything. I mean, how big is this house? You don't mean like I mean several hours I'm in your house. I and I have the authority to cut open your cushions and wreck your shit like if there's something I'm finding it. They don't find anything on the property either. You know they looked all around the property send in the dogs Adam's theme today Public it Adam. I don't believe that Get the guy there. I'm a progressive. I believe in human rights All right Vermont man arrested in case of teens accused of bringing guns to school This is interesting. First of all, he looks like an old magician. So that's weird. Like, why do you have this look in 2023 if you're not an aging pirate or magician? Look into my eyes. Right. He's been arrested. Please say that they took a stolen gun to Fairhaven last month. Why was this guy arrested? Because he left it laying out and the kids stole it. Yeah. He didn't have it secured. Guns are supposed to be secured and I think he's the first person to be charged in this kind of new Well, he's responsible You know some really bad things could have happened. Look if you're like an alchemist and you're like, I got all this poison Guess I'll just leave it on my front porch and label it poison. That's also should be a crime, right? It's the same shit Mm-hmm. You have a gun let out unsecured and this is what drives me crazy is that like every gun owner I've ever known would call this guy a piece of shit right they say of course this guy's a moron he's definitely have it locked up you lock up your guns you'll just lay him around it's only morons who do that well 80% of NRA members want tighter control doesn't happen well the 20% yeah they control things morons Moving on, a woman charged in landlady-tenant disputes. This is a wild story. Brandon, we like Brandon. Yeah. We always say that. Landlady is facing charges after allegedly trying to forcibly evict tenants with an hour's notice. An hour? Yeah, she put a timer on them. She showed up. I guess they were two months behind on their rent. She's having an old hourglass, she turns it up, boom! So Lillia Rivers appeared in a Rutland County criminal court to a felony charge of trespassing into an occupied dwelling as well as a misdemeanor charge of unlawful mischief and simple assault. Yeah, they carry a combined maximum of four and a half years in prison. Yeah, right. Anyway, she broke the door down. Whoa. Yeah, somehow. Wow. So she says she was supposed to receive money from the state for the tenant's rent, but had not for two months. So it seems like she's mad at the state and she's taking it out on the tenants. Right. But is the tenant telling her that the state is going to take care of this or she actually, she would be a fool to believe that without checking. There's no shortage of fools in this world, Matt. Right. I don't know, you'd figure there'd be some sort of paperwork involved. Yeah. Some sort of a website that you log into and can check these things. I'm always confused about tenant and landlord rights, landlady rights. I don't know if that's the pejorative to say landlady, but sometimes the landlord just is a wild asshole. Yeah, right, right. Obviously, this doesn't stand. that sometimes these stories are like, this tenant's been living here for eight months rent free. You're like, what the hell, that obviously is not true. Like, there's gotta be some middle ground that makes sense to everyone. You know what I mean? Like, it's, like we all agree that both those things I just said don't make sense, but like, what's the middle ground? It can't be an hour and you get evicted, but it also can't be like, I get to live here for months without paying rent while the system figures it out. Remember our friends in Bennington? This sweet little old couple, they decide to move in as tenants. They knew the system. In Vermont, if you move in in the winter, you can't be thrown out until obviously after, so they moved there the whole year without paying rent. Just weren't paying. No, and they knew it. They, they, this was like part of this scam that people know about. But you never think the little old people are the ones that are gonna want to screw you, but hey, in this case, they were. Yes, don't trust old people. Don't trust anybody. Okay, okay. There you go. So, Rivers allegedly told police she was supposed to have received money from the state for the tenant's rent, but had not for two months. nor had the tenant paid herself himself. Paid her himself. She said she made a number of demands for payment earlier in the day before telling me they had one hour going back to her own residence, setting a timer. Tick tock, motherfucker. When the timer went off, she said she approached the apartment, found it locked, so she broke in. But then, that means section eight, right? about the state paying her. So she's one of those landlords too that well taking advantage. Yeah of course yeah. Well a tenant told police she had given Rivers $100 a couple days prior. Yeah. Okay. Here's 1% of the rent I owe you. And working to get financial support from Easterseals. What was that? What? That's the thing I've heard of but I don't know what it is. Are they still around? I think they used to use stamps. That was the way of making money, wasn't it? Easterseals, I have not heard of them They were for like handicapped children. I think yeah Started I think that's How it started yeah young adults with disabilities As they transition into the workforce So they might sounds like they may have some kid that has disabilities. I don't know I was just faking it. I'm just saying. But the landlord doesn't seem like my kind of landlord. Everyone in this story sucks. Kick them all out. You lose your house just for being an asshole. Moving on. Two men charged with distributing fentanyl in Burlington. So, you know, nothing new here, but these fellows had 17,000 bags of fentanyl. That's a lot. That's what I think. How big are the bags? I don't know. I want to know. I think they're just like one. Okay. One hit maybe. One inch by one inch. Yeah, one inch. Now, 17,000. That's a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot of counting. What are you, where are they? Like, are they on your table? Are they in your room? Like, where are they? Like, how do you know? Do police count them all? I don't understand the story. How do the police count them all? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,000, 300, hey, hey, hey, Dirk, oh, god damn it. So these dudes, they were from Philly. And one of them got arrested at the Charlotte Ferry Crossing. I love that. He almost made it. He almost made it. He almost got away. Do you think the ferryman tipped him off? Tipped off the cops like, this guy's looking suspicious. I love this guy's name. His name is Samuel Bennett, but he's known as mellow mellow Bennett Look, I'm not saying I have a screenplay in the works, but if I do that characters name is a mellow Bennett Talbert Talbert Hill. So yeah, the these guys got busted That's a lot 200. It's like nearly 200 grams of cocaine I guess but I don't know as well as yeah. Yeah. Oh as well as yeah. Oh, wow 17,000 bags of fentanyl. That's I'm guessing when you buy fentanyl you buy one bag Do you think I would think that's what most people buy such 17,000? transactions of fentanyl Taking off the streets Seems like a good thing. Hmm. Maybe by two maybe like I don't know. I don't buy fentanyl. I'm not sure how Well when you buy fentanyl how often? Yeah Anyway cool, that's a good one Vermont man accused of stealing a car and fleeing from troopers Looks like he may have gotten a little roughed up in the process a little elevator ride I think when you make the troopers chase you they get a little pissed off Right they like an easy arrest not a hard arrest and they had to stop him with spike strips Yeah, that always pisses them off. Yeah, they're like, oh, we've got to get this. We don't even know who they are. Who's got the spike strips? Whose trunk are they in? They're all calling each other, like, who's got the spike strips? Yeah, I love a good spike strip story. It seems like it's like such a medieval technology for such a modern era. It's like, what if we just, what if the roads were spikes? That would stop them. It's like, all right, let's do it. Yeah, this guy, he looks like a, He looks like a criminal. He does. Or high school geography teacher? Yeah, could be. Robert Ely? He's from Burlington. Oh. So he stole a car in Burlington and was spotted in Swanton. Oh, stole a car Friday and was spotted in Swanton. I wonder what he was up to? Maybe he needed to drive across the country to get his ailing mother some medical care? Or was it drugs? Moving on. Man arrested three times in two days in a Radek Burlington spree. I think our favorite Rambo criminal has set an unwanted bar for all these other wanted criminals where they're trying to outdo this dude. They can't. I mean it's it's nearly impossible. I mean can you go land A or C, you can't. This guy just, he just did a bunch of crimes. He's trying to make a name for himself, but that name ain't gonna happen. I'm not even gonna say his name. I don't even know his name. To me he is St. Johnsbury man. So he's arrested after breaking into an apartment on King Street. What else does this fella do? Oh, he punched the clinical patient safety attendant? in a hospital. Oh, my gosh. They take him back to the station, and then he attacked an off-duty officer in a parking lot. That's a bad choice, right? You're like, I'm going to attack someone. Take the off-duty officer. I'll go in. Held on $200 bail. $200 bail. And what, you have to pay 10%, so 20 bucks, this guy's back on the streets. Jesus Christ. Yeah, I mean, this happens every day in this town and probably everywhere, you know, people like this. What do you do with them? I don't know. All right, we're going down to Pownall. Big respect to the Pownall police force. They do not let a case go. They have just arrested someone in a 2022 break in at a trailer park. Man, they're dedicated. If you steal a bike in Pownall in 2016, They're coming for you. They'll track you down. You're chilling over in Panama City thinking I got away with that, you know so many years ago a panel police officer will jump out of the bushes drag you down cuff you That's panel justice Earlier no Putney So this dude Um, I'm sorry, he took place, he took part in a home invasion. We keep saying he, the name is Lusander. I'm unsure what the gender of that name is. Okay. Lusander Montoya. Glow? Don't look at me, I don't have, Lusander? I'd say male. Okay. Unclear. Yeah. Good for the police down there in Palano. Yeah. Good on y'all. Up there, over there, down there to Rockingham. Down there. Down there? There's a shooting in Rockingham? Yep. As we found out, there's not much there. No. There's an old friend's house, which are Quakers. I know you don't know that. Not our friend's. Friend's house is a Quaker house. We don't have any friends in Rockingham. We don't have any Quaker friends. Like it's our old friend sounds like she said to me like they're Quakers like apologetically like I was there. Oh my god You're friends with Quaker But there's also the other store a Vermont country store, which is right on a busy road It doesn't have that same character as the other one, which I can't remember the town. It doesn't have the same ambiance Envions. Yeah, inside the store maybe, but not outside. Well, this dude pled not guilty to attempted murder in the shooting of his brother-in-law. Eh, so it's personal. It's like. Usually it is. Which is like, it's like an odd thing, especially about like all the shootings in Burlington. Like, they're personal. So it's like, I kind of feel safe in a way that's like, I haven't wronged anyone. I've been wrong the Haitian. There's not a lot of random shootings going on There's a lot of murder going on in Vermont right now. Yeah, but it's it's all personal, right? And it was personal in this it's said that the troopers responded to the home of Burton Lewis Clark jr. At 39 Hartley Hill Road and found David Stanek with life-threatening gunshot wounds. He remains hospitalized in critical condition said that Stanek moved in after marrying Clark's sister two years ago but that she died soon after and the relationship soured between the two men. It's like what are you getting the fuck out of here? Yeah right well okay that's a complicated situation because I marry this woman move in she's in with her brother so I'm thinking when's her brother getting out of here cuz like hey, listen, but the three's a crowd, bro, like, and then the sister dies mysteriously, so who the fuck knows who killed her, and then these two bros are like, well, who's got claim to the homestead, right? Yeah. Then they shoot each other. Yeah, then that happens. So they had a, police said Clark shot Stannick during argument over the electric bill. Listen, I'm over here, I'm watching TV on my laptop, you got your electric blanket, you got your big screen, you got these lamps going, you know, like, it's not even, it's not a 50-50 split, we gotta figure out a proportion here. Clark claimed the shooting was in self-defense, saying Stanek had wrestled a gun away from him. Well, why would you have a gun? He had a gun first. Yeah. Keep reading that sentence. And then, and that he grabbed a second gun. What are they like? Obviously not secured. You have these guns laying around like boxes of Kleenex. It's almost like these guns invite the crime. Okay. Here's the best. Shooting him at least eight times. That's self-defense. I don't unless this guy is gorilla. You know where he could just keep getting up or Rambo Yeah, eight times is excessive, but also It's a point across well if you feel like you're about to be killed And you have a gun you probably want to shoot it as many times as you can so that the person does not kill you Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean I've never in that situation obviously, but I feel like unloading the clip is probably the way to go Yeah, like if I was watching a movie guys like one shot. It's like I think he's okay Then the guy grabs him again, but that was dumb. We've seen that in a movie a million times Yeah, don't fall for that for that. Yeah unload the clip glow Empty the clip. Yeah, I like that unload the clip. Yeah moving on to Burlington Burlington. Oh, yeah. So what was this? This is the conspiracy with the kids Right? Right. Yeah, so they're using kids to traffic drugs. Three people were part of a major fentanyl and crack cocaine distribution ring that used firearms and hired juveniles to help with drug trafficking out of a Rutland motel. A Rutland motel? What? So they don't even name the motel. It's like everyone knows. Yeah. I was talking to a social worker a couple days ago and she was like I can't even tell you any specifics but there are kids heavily involved in gangs in Burlington mm-hmm heavily involved I think this is the shit that she was talking about two of these people are from Springfield Massachusetts oh my what Springfield That beautiful, idyllic farm town just south of us? Well, you bring that up about the kids and that shooting a couple weeks ago with the 14-year-old who shot another 14-year-old in a car in Brandon, I think it was, or someplace down there. Yeah, but what was that? Yeah, we don't know anything about it, but they've charged this kid as an adult. Yeah, I don't know the deal with that like, but I think that was kids and people Being way too cavalier with guns, right? And I think I think that was an axe. I don't think that was an execution It's what it sounded like to me because the kid said right away because the witness to this whole thing said the kids said right away I didn't mean to shoot you. Yeah, but I think that is a But now it's like well now he can't go back to school. Yeah, and I'm like, yeah You can't go to school, sorry. Like your life is gonna be on pause for a few months because you fucking killed another kid. Whether it's an accident or not, like you still just have to like, you still have to like just chill out and not go to school. That sucks for you, but also it sucks for the kids family and all your classmates who, you know, just. And it would just cause a big disturbance. Right, like just, yeah, like sometimes in America you lose your rights. Right. and killing someone is pretty good grounds for losing your rights. Where were we? But yeah, so yeah, there's a conspiracy to use kids to deal drugs. So if you're listening to this and you're like, where does my kid go after dinner every night? Where did he get that new Porsche? What's up with that Rollie? He's got a Rollie with a fat stack of cash. like, I think he's getting out of the old handies. Yeah, he's probably a part of the game. Moving on. Massachusetts woman extradited to Vermont after a violent 2022 assault. Yes. Matt, you threw this on here? I've not read it. I threw it on there because the victim advised that the police, that the attack occurred in November 26, Two days after Thanksgiving in Bennington, she told police that a male friend asked that she post $500 on a cash app for a female identified as Misty. Okay, when you hear that word, red flag, red flag, Misty. The victim advised Misty, later identified as Hennessy Mattos, Hennessy, that she did not have the total amount to make the transfer. So the victim said she and the male were brought to 37 Applegate Drive where Mattos and a female named Crystal Mattos. Is this a bingo card of names? Like what is this? This is why I posted it. This is perfect. You know Hennessey's sister made the victim and male strip while the two went through all their belongings, eventually taking her cell phone, necklace, coat, and makeup. She then told the police that the female, identified as Crystal, ordered Matos to pistol whip her multiple times. This is perfect. Misty and Crystal. So, okay, I don't understand. What? Why do these people even know? I don't understand, someone's texting you to give me money, and then you go meet them, and they beat you up and take your money? I don't understand, there's something missing here for me. There's a big hole in the story. We don't know why this is even happening. Glow? Interesting. Yeah, glow, make it make sense, glow. My battery's died. Mine's dying too. Yeah, this is just interesting that these, I don't know, like, I don't, what if you just said like, no, like, I'm not gonna meet you, like, you know what I mean? Like, is that a route to go? It's gotta be more of the story of somebody owed somebody money, sounds like. The male, she and the male were then brought to Applegate Drive, what does that mean, brought? So these are like two women with guns? So there's a fifth person involved. Yeah. This is, ah, this is wild. Yeah, I want to see the video All right, well, you might care about this, but your battery's dead the most expensive house from Vermont is up for sale And you're gonna have me guess how much sure you can Well, let's say it's first okay fifteen thousand seven hundred and seventy four square feet and where is it located still still six bedrooms, ten bathrooms, that's a good selling point, ten bathrooms, wait a minute, that's more bathrooms than bedrooms, right, that's, what are y'all doing over there, each bedroom has to have one, right, sure, there's probably four downstairs and another one upstairs, for the help, yeah, and 110 acres of land, holy smokes, oh, I bet that's going for about 50 million, 20 million? You're high. Really? 20 million. 20 million? Does it come with these deer or whatever it is? This fake picture of this elk out in your backyard or what? 20 million? Okay. It's crazy that 20 million is the, first of all, that's an insane amount for a house. That's ridiculous and let's all get out beyond that. But so is that, how can I even phrase this question? Is that the cheapest, most expensive house for a state? Like, is the most expensive house in California is way more than this? Gotta be a hundred million. I think so, yeah. But like, what's the most expensive house in Delaware or Kentucky, well, Kentucky's probably way more, it's probably old, but I feel like this is... Not that expensive. It's not that expensive. So I wasn't so far off thinking it should be around 50 million? Well, no, but there should be another house that's worth more. This is for sale. For sale. The article's written as like this is the most expensive house in Vermont for sale. But is it the most expensive house in Vermont, period? I bet not. Probably not. But I gotta say, I mean, this sure is a lot of property, house, and bathrooms. The bathroom's alone. You got six bedrooms, 10 bathrooms, like what are you doing? Like what are you anticipating? Yeah. A lot of diarrhea. Oh my God. Venture into this rural masterpiece with so much land for you to explore. Perfect for a family with intense diarrhea. Huge selling point. Bowel problems? Got 20 million? We have the perfect solution. Are you a billionaire who can't control his own shit? Perfect. We got you covered, fam. Glo, if you had 20 million, where would you go? Where would I go? Like, location? Yeah, I didn't mean bathroom. Hmm, Portugal. Matt? Costa Rica. So, you're not interested in going to the globe? I mean, it depends on where we were. I think it'd be okay. No, but you know, just I don't know. What about you? I mean, Brunswick, Vermont. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, obviously I'd go somewhere in Asia either. Probably Korea, Japan. If I was am I married or single in this situation? Your current situation? Yes. Yeah, probably Korea or Japan. You can find a nice place in Korea. Maybe somewhere in Europe. I mean, honestly, like we've been to so many cities now that are just like wonderful. I mean, Madrid would be great. I'm sure Lisbon would be great. You know, just have a life. I actually kind of rather be near city life. I'm more comfortable. It's funny how we haven't chosen the United States. You notice? Ah, there's nowhere I wanna go. Yeah. I mean, everyone in the U.S., it's like, there's something attached to it. Like, I like the coasts of Florida. I used to wanna like buy a house in Melbourne Beach, but now I'm like, I don't think I like my neighbors. To be honest, I wouldn't wanna live there. And then it's like, well, California, that's way fucking expensive, you know? And traffic, it just sucks, like. Smog. Smog. I was thinking Southern California. I live in California, no, it's not what you think it is. It's not all cracked up to be. Well, there's things I miss, but yeah, you don't wanna live there, no. I wanna go to a place where I can just kinda like move around amongst the people, like subway, stuff like that, like easily get around, like just. Yeah, we're just blending in and doing nothing. The American dream. The side of America. Yeah, we already got out of here. Yep. Alright, peace! Bye. Damn. All life on earth as we know it will be totally destroyed and the earth itself will be blown. The situation we hope will never come to pass, if the necessity becomes a reality, however, only the president will have the access to this button. This button is the most dangerous button in the world. You mean this button? Oh, I'm sorry.

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