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Hey, what's up, Vermont? On this show, we discuss some secrets to a long life, snowmobile debauchery, we make a plea for psilocybin, give it to us now, we actually prop up Rutland, Glow gives us an intimate look at her, you have to just listen to that, of course we have the scumbag map and so much more, and we're playing around a little bit with making a new intro song using AI, so you're going to hear a different intro song, this is a punk rock version for our intro song. Enjoy the show. Hey, Vermont, it's time to get caught up. Who knows what topics we'll get brought up. On the mic, it's Go-Matt and Adam. Pretty much anything can happen. Every single town in the Green Mountain State is covered in sweat. And like a waffle house, we'll take back the wax and put us in your ears like NTR with a couple beers. Welcome to Vermont Ketchup with Matt. I'm Matt. Glow. I'm Glow. And I'm Adam. We're a weekly rundown of everything going down in the Green Mountain State. Happy Hospitality Workers Appreciation Day. That's a nice day. That's a nice day to appreciate hospitality? Matt, you worked hospitality at Jason. Yeah. Bartender. Yeah, I was bartender. You ever worked like, you did serving for like a summer or something, right? Like you were Burger King. What'd you like, a catering or something? Yeah, yeah. During high school, I did waitressing for a catering service, a Polish catering service. Did you work, did you get tips? Absolutely not. Okay. They were all always weddings. People don't tip in weddings. The bar, they do, right? There was no bar. This was, you know, yeah. You're in high school, you're not working the bar anyway, probably. No. Right. You weren't allowed to. Exactly. But, yeah. And Burger King. Burger King. One month. Assistant manager. No tips there either. No. Yeah, I guess Burger King is hospitality in a way. Yeah. It's waiting on people, serving people. Just about every front desk job is hospitality in some ways. I mean, you mostly think of hotels. That's why mostly, yeah. Yeah, I think it's anytime you're helping the public with, you know, You know restaurant or bar or anything. So you would even lump like a like a server into this day? Sure. Oh Come on, they're hospitality workers the term hospitality. Okay right here, man. Okay originated from the French word hospice Meaning taking care of travelers. No somebody stops in your restaurant You're traveling You found a loophole. I mean, yeah I don't know. I always considered him a hospitality worker. So this doesn't make sense to me. They said that according to this article, the first inn, like I-N-N, appeared in the late 1700s? That late? I thought the whole Jesus story was... No room at the inn? Yeah, like... Well, maybe the Jesus story isn't real. Are you saying something in the Bible that's not checking out? I think so. Interesting. Yeah, that seems late. I mean, the entire world, first of all, how would you ever be able to know that for sure? But the United States? George Washington alone must have slept all throughout New Jersey. With who? It wasn't any ends. But back then, it's okay. So maybe it was just like people just let you in, right? I think that's it. Yeah, maybe that was it. It wasn't official. So, is it like ironic that like hotels actually ruined hospitality? Like back in the day you just let people in, but now if there's a business, you're like, nah, go to the hotel. You're right. Yeah. Because being hospitable is being inviting even to the stranger. I guess that's where they got the term in. Come on. Let you in. Come on in. The first luxury hotel was constructed in 1829 in Boston. Boston? Which one was it? The Tremont Hotel. Haven't been there. No? I've never frequented the Tremont. We have been to the Park Place, though. That's a gorgeous hotel. It's old, but it's been all completely renovated. I'm not sure about you, Glow. I'm guessing Matt tips. Like when you checked out a hotel, how much money are you putting on the pillow? I don't always, sometimes I forget. But I usually put 5 bucks, 10 bucks maybe. 10 bucks? Sometimes. If we're there for a few days. Like we did in Boston, in Newton or whatever. When I worked for the teddy bear company, I used to leave teddy bears. Really? With like a note? Yeah. Because they would think it's like left behind, right? Yeah, yeah. I said, this is for you. Thank you very much for the great service. because there are, I'm sure most of those people had children or grandchildren or something. Everyone should have someone in their life that they can give a teddy bear to. Yeah. If you don't, that's just a sad state of affairs. Yeah, it was kind of a cool thing. I had a cool job. I used to ship bears to the hotel, so I didn't have to carry them with me on the plane. So I would have all these bears, take them to the radio stations, and I would leave them for people. Like a modern-day Santa Claus. Yeah, it was cool. That's a cool part of my job. I enjoyed it. What was the company losing on a bear? Like, if you just gave one away, they're losing how much money? 20 bucks or something. I don't know. We were getting 50-something for just a regular bear. Gotcha. So I'm not really sure how much it costs, but it was good. It was good publicity. You know, people could play with them because their arms and legs moved and their heads moved and all that stuff. And they were really well made. They were made here in Vermont, so... Yeah. People at the radio stations loved them. I used to get extra spots, because I'd give them to the... There's one job in the radio station. I can't remember what they call it, but it's the ones that put all the spots. Program manager? Yeah, program manager or something. Advertising manager, yeah. I used to give them... I'd let them send one, just to experience it. And they loved that. So... Makes sense. Yeah. Happy Hospitality Day. And Glo, I'm guessing you're the same. Y'all traveling together. A fiver, a tenner. Yeah. Yeah. I never did, well I shouldn't say never, rarely did I do it before Matt, but now it's always pretty regular. Just because you never thought of it, or you're like, hey, I don't deserve it. Yeah, it's like, what do they do that, you know, it's like I don't get a tip every time I walk a dog. No, I just did. I get that mindset, too. It always drives me crazy when you're picking up takeout. Do you tip those people? I don't know. I do. It kind of depends on my mood. I do, because if the person who is giving you... This is the way it used to be. I don't know if it is this way anymore. But whoever rang that meal is paying taxes on it. It goes against how much they make. So... That seems dumb. Hopefully, they've changed that, but that's the way it used to be. So I'd always give them a buck or two, because they're paying taxes on it. This is for Uncle Sam. Then I get home and they forgot something. If I had a dollar, I could go buy some soy sauce. All right, we're moving on. So did you all know, remember the medical center hack that happened in 2020? Oh, yeah. Did you know they knew who did it? They found the person who did it? No. I thought they'd never find it. Me neither. Not only did they find him, but he just pled guilty. So they must have known for a while. Did we somehow miss this? I never saw it anywhere else. I didn't either. Because this is a big story. Because it was a huge deal at the time. Cost 60 something million dollars. During the pandemic. Right. And it was a Ukrainian guy. Maybe he's got the right idea. Maybe we should be giving them funds. Yeah, isn't that what Russia is fighting with right now? Yeah, okay So they said that the I guess it was two hacks cost the hospital 65 million dollars And he had a gang I guess two malware groups is what it was And it's interesting how it all started somebody took a laptop with him on vacation and then Really? And then was on the wrong site and got hacked. Oh I wonder what site they were on. That's what I want to know. Yeah it said an employee took a corporate laptop on vacation and opened a personal email from a local homeowners association. After the email was opened, cyber criminals installed malware software intended to cause harm to computer systems. Damn, when were they on vacation? We're like, hackers just hanging out just like waiting. Who's gonna send an email here? It's wild. Did y'all see that AT&T just went out like yesterday? What do you mean? What happened? We have AT&T now. Me too. I didn't experience it, but apparently like half of the customers just no more service. And this came right after because it was something to do with satellites or something, right? I don't know. Hold on, Matt. Let me put on my tech hat. I have no idea. I thought I read that, and this comes right after somebody in the government released the fact that Putin has these anti-satellite satellites going. Oh, right, he's got the anti-... he's got the space lasers, essentially. Space lasers, yeah. So, but yeah, it was not just AT&T, it was a bunch of them. Was it? Yeah. But it actually comes like just after, like a bunch of countries, like Japan, America, and like whoever else, all got together and took out this well-known hacker group. So maybe this is retaliation. Yeah, it could be. Or maybe this is just China. This is the Raptors testing the fences or whatever. Let's see what happens if we do this. OK, that's how they respond. Let's see. But anyway, this guy and his group pled guilty. They got him on the old RICO. So I wonder how long he'll spend in jail. And I guess he doesn't have to pay anything back. That's crazy. But he's gonna go to prison, right? I just wonder how long it's gonna be. He pleaded guilty, so it's gonna be less than it would have been. They should say that in the story, right? If you plead guilty, it's, uh, isn't it automatically... I guess the sentencing may be later. Yeah. Yeah, I don't see anything about that. They never answer the questions we want them to answer. So, they did this to get money? Yeah, it's like, it's ransomware. Ransomware, okay. It's like, we're holding your laptop for ransom. Okay. Oh, man, I got this... So speaking of this stuff, I got this crazy work email. Hello, scumbag. It was how it opened, right? And it's like, I know what sites you've been on. I've got it recorded, da-da-da-da-da. I'm like, OK. But it was weird, because it was emailed to me from me. And I was like, all right, this is obviously a scam. You know what I mean? It's like, give me $500, and I'll just delete everything or whatever. and then like some of my co-workers, we're at a meeting and this woman's like I just got this crazy email. I was like what was it scumbag? That was for my wife. Anyway, be on the lookout. Don't open any emails from people you don't know. Don't click on any links. It just takes one person to click on a link. I get 30 emails a day and I may open one and it's just all bullshit. There's no reason to open anything. Just throw your mail directly in the garbage and delete all your emails. You'll likely be better. Speaking of UVM Medical Center, they want everyone to chill out and stop coming to the ER. With the cold. Yeah, no room at the inn essentially. There's people who were shot or car accidents that need help, but take your cold elsewhere. This just means we don't have enough like urgent care, right? We don't have enough like clinics. This is just people who have no other resources or this people who are just like, I'm sick, damn it, I'm going in. Yeah, they don't know any better. Maybe urgent care isn't all that great. I didn't have a very good experience when I went there, when I first got sick. You mean the emergency at the hospital. No, but I did go to an urgent care too, and I had a doctor who was fresh out of, no she was fine, she was the one who told me I had a, what do you call it? Hernia. Hernia, she goes, I don't know what's wrong with you, but you do have a hernia. But it was fine, but there's one on every corner in Florida. Yeah. Urgent care, that and car wash. That's the population. You know, yeah. But yeah, I think just too many people rely on going, you know, just for a bad cold or something, so... Yeah, just do the old school way. Just take some NyQuil and sleep it off. Isn't that what you do? Yeah. Take some bourbon and sleep it off. Well, that can be dangerous, Matt. Yeah. Have y'all ever heard of this Harris Hill Ski Jump competition? Apparently it's a big deal. Never. Well, apparently... Until recently. Yeah, 3,000 people showed up at the 2024 Harris Hill Ski Jump in Brattleboro. 33 men and women skied. They're competing in the under 20 division, and I guess it gets them points for the US Cup. Probably a big deal in the world of ski jumping. Not totally sure. What are you doing over there? You look very busy. Like, you're like... Well, I was selling stock there before I developed them. We're doing the show called Day Training, okay? Not interested. Alright. Cool. Yeah, I guess we'll move on. Yeah, I guess if you win three times, you get like a trophy. Cool. Speaking of ski jumping... A dude, a New York guy was injured at the Okimo Mountain Ski Resort in Ludlow. Anyone familiar with that? No. We saw it this summer or this fall. It's by Killington, no? Oh no. Ludlow. We went through Ludlow. Coming back from one of our trips to Northampton, I think, or Boston, one of those. So this guy was a novice skier. He, I guess, had a crash, slid into a padded pole by a snow gun. I have no idea what a snow gun is. I'm not gonna imagine what it does, but like, is it five feet tall? Is it 50 feet tall? I have no idea. I don't think they're that tall. I don't know. So what happened to him? Well, he lost all movement in his lower extremities and torso. So he's paralyzed. Paralyzed, paraplegic. Yeah, and he was suing for $88 million in damages. It's like you're skiing. You're taking the chance that you're going to wrap your head around something, if not a ski. Well, I guess that's the point of view that won, because he didn't get anything. Of course not. He shouldn't. I mean, it's crazy. If you're going to go skiing, you're risking your life, basically. You can go off and stay there for a while. Somebody died in Stowe last week. Really? They were off-trail. They were off-trail and died. They purposely were off-trail? Yeah, I guess so. Some people do that. People like that, yeah. The safe-skiing is boring. I can't get my adrenaline up unless my life's in danger. So, yeah, I guess there's even more shenanigans with this because the guy's lawyer is saying, like, well, we made a deal with the defense as the jury was deliberating, so we already made our deal. Then the jury came back and said, he's got nothing. And then the defense was like, no deal. It's like, just joking. Right. Because I don't think that the three or whatever lawyers for the defense were talking to each other because one of them, I guess, made the offer. Yeah. The other two didn't know about it. But now he doesn't get anything. He gets nothing. He had some big bills too. Yeah. $665,000. Yikes. and he knows what he's gonna have to pay the rest of his life. Do you think if he would have asked for less, they would have just pled out? Like, instead of 88, if he would have asked for two? If he had asked for five, he might have gotten it. Those guys have big pockets, you know? But you ask 88 million, what's the sense in that? Well, I mean, his life is ruined. I understand that. I mean, I wouldn't say ruined. People can live happy lives as paraplegics, but it's definitely different. it's gonna be more costly for the rest of his life, like he's getting around. Yeah, but not $88 million worth. That's true. I don't know, unless he lives to be over 100. Even then, he wouldn't use that much money if you're just a regular person, right? Yeah, how old is he now? He's in his 20s. 21, when it happens. Yeah, 80 years, a lot can happen. You think he's gonna live to be 100, this guy? He's clearly reckless. I don't know, I mean, look, Matt, as men, downstairs doesn't work anymore. What's that worth? That's true, but not 88. But I'm saying, all this would have been taken care of, even probably 10 million. You think so? I don't know, something like that. Ask for 10, they give him 5. Ask 88, you get nothing. Yeah. He got a little too asky. Yeah, that's it. Over asked. Oh, speaking of skiing, see how everything's like nice and organized? It's almost like I had some extra time. It's a really nice flow, a nice flow here. I love these stories that essentially old person tells secret to long life. I like when it's like a hard-boiled egg, three Marlboros and a Chateaubriand, you know? It's like, all right. I always remember when a Mad Magazine back in the 60s, somebody said, What do you owe your long life for? You know, through, and she says, the fact that I haven't died yet. So this guy, I'm gonna butcher his name, Berger Vignes. That's good. All right. If anyone wants to, not me, if anyone wants to challenge that with a better pronunciation, feel free. So he's 90, which I would say, it's respectable, but it's not like, you're not in a place of authority to tell me how to live my life. He gets at least 95 or 100, right? Wait a minute, but he's 90 and still skiing, right? Yeah. That's what's keeping him, he claims, young and in pretty good shape, obviously. Yeah, he says he skis, what, 15 times? 100 days a year. 100 days a year he skis. He's 90 years old and still skiing 100 days a year. That's at least three months Where does he live that there's snow that I mean has there been that much snow this season he lives in Shelburne He must be where he's skiing Well, he says cross-country skiing. So oh, oh not not downhill So now do we have a we lost respect for this gentleman? 95 I'm not sure if I'd be able to survive. No, if I still lived in Middlesex, I'd be skiing, cross-country skiing for miles and hours. Leave this guy in the dust. Well, not necessarily. He may have a leg up on me, but... I don't know, he's 90. But yeah, I used to love to cross-country ski through the woods with a pack of dogs and all by ourselves. We wouldn't see a person, a house, nothing. Just be great. They're all trails? Or are you just going through the woods? Well, I built some trails myself, but also a trail from our property. We just went over to the Vast Trail. Oh yeah, the Vast. The snowmobile trail. Which I said, sure, go ahead, put it through the property. They built this gorgeous bridge to make it a trail, because otherwise you couldn't cross over. It'd be a brook, but a big flood took it out. And they rebuilt the bridge again. Oh, what an emotional roller coaster I just had. Is it safe for you to ski on vast trails? Uh, yeah. Yeah, I think so. You can, like, hear them coming, or like... Oh, yeah. I've never seen a snowmobile outside of TV and movies. Oh, yeah. No, you can hear them coming. You can smell them coming. They're pretty loud. Yeah. Yeah. And during the day, they're usually not... It's more like a weekend party thing, I guess, or something. I don't know what snowmobiles are out there, but not during the day, usually when I was out. OK, because I would assume that like, what percentage of people on snowmobiles are intoxicated? 85? Yeah, could be. Yeah. Good guess. It's like jet, they're like jet skis, right? I'd put the same number on jet skis for sure. And every year, somebody dies on one of them, You know, just like the ice fisherman. Well, crashing into a tree or going off the bridge. A fence? Yeah. A stone wall, you mean? No, I'm talking about if you, like a barbed wire fence, you go through it. Whoa. Whoa. Yeah. Oh my god. Like, like, like razor wire kind of thing? Like, well, it's barbed wire, but it's wire. It's going to probably break your neck anyways if you're flying through there. Damn. You never know. That was years ago, they used to do that, put barbed wire everywhere. Oh yeah, just the property, the 25 acres I had, I spent summers cleaning out barbed wire. Taking off bodies? No, no bodies. Was that a snowmobile? Yeah, trees had grown all around them, so I'd mark the tree in case anybody ever came with a chainsaw and everything, because there was barbed wire through the tree. So what is the purpose of the barbed wire? Are you trying to keep people out or keep stuff on your property in? No, at that one time it was all farmland, so that was probably for cows in. And to mark your property. Yes, and mark your property, but mostly it was for farming. Yeah. Keep animals in. Yeah, you go out to any of the woods in central or northeast kingdom of Vermont, or anywhere, there's farms, old farms everywhere. Middlesex. I used to come across all kinds of old tractors and foundations and homes and all kind of, I mean, it was pretty interesting walking through those woods. They're just abandoned now? Yeah. Oh, yeah. No one, no one takes down the barbed wire? No, of course. Barbed, are you serious? No, I, you think a farmer's gonna bother taking down the barbed wire? I thought like, well, I don't know. I did. I mean, because it was my property and I didn't want anybody getting hurt. And besides, I hate barbed wire. Yeah, it's like I've seen barbed wire around here. Oh, yeah, in the woods. Even where? Yes, even around here. Oh, definitely. You've seen barbed wire. Yeah, right along the ledge. There used to be some. And what's that for? That was an old farm at one time, I think. Are the barbs still barbie? Or do they like kind of go old? I wouldn't be climbing over that thing. Well, they're rusted for one thing. Yeah, they're rusted. You know, so you're really asking for a world to hurt. Well, death traps everywhere, but there's life. Vermont is being considered as a, is very close to becoming a blue zone. What's that mean? I have never heard of this term until today. It is an area around the world where people consistently live longer because of certain lifestyle traits. Like cross-country skiing. Yeah, but I think this barbed wire revelation is gonna take us down a couple points. So, blue zones, let's see, they have commonalities that prioritize natural movement, like cross-country skiing. Purpose, you define that how you want, I guess. Well, purpose, I mean, you know, like using only really good ingredients or local ingredients, or that kind of, I think that kind of, like having purpose, meaning not just, you know, going to work and coming home, but having some other meaning to life, be, you know, like standing up for something and trying to preserve, or trying, you know, that kind of thing. A reason to live. And for others to live as well. Well, nicer, better. I think you can have purpose with unnatural ingredients, is what I want to say. You can? Okay, give me a like drinking on a snowmobile and getting your head wrapped. That's probably not the thing that defines those people, but you know, maybe their purpose is their kids, you know, or something in there. Every now and then they got to get away drinking on a snowmobile. Or they're drinking with their kids on a snowmobile, you know. But you know, even those guys, the ones that, you know, you don't consider as like green up day kind of person or something like that. How many times did my truck go off the road in the winter time, and somebody just pulls up with a bigger truck, they pull out the chain, they pull me out, and they never even said a word to me. Oh, they probably wouldn't like you. Of course not. I know they would. I'm like, I'm waving thank you as they're like driving off, but they're good people. They just don't, and I don't blame them, they don't like us flatlanders, and I don't blame them either, because I don't like the flatlanders, including me. They just want to do good. They don't want to do good for you specifically. Yeah. So yeah, purpose, the ability to de-stress. By hiking, probably, or outdoorsy kind of stuff. Drinking on a snowmobile is pretty, I mean, like, maybe that is. Smoking weed. Yeah, smoking weed, yoga. Yeah. Meditation, mindfulness. Focus on plant-based diet. See. And eating the right enough amount. Yep. That's also very important. Right enough. Not right. Right enough. I like that. There's some wiggle room there. So yeah, it says like Vermont's nature and agriculture are reasons why the state might be on track. The state still has some issues. 20% of Vermonters don't get any leisure time or physical activity. Ew, by choice or by job? Because they just happen to have a crappy job. Doesn't say. Yeah, I mean, it's probably a little bit of everything, right? Some of it might be like mobility issues. Some of it might be like maybe they have to work so much, they don't, you know, they come home. Maybe they're working, you know, 15-hour days. Yeah. Oh, I could see that. Then 23% of Vermonters are eating, only 23% of Vermonters are eating the recommended five fruits and vegetables a day. Only 23%? Five fruits and vegetables a day is a lot. Yeah, it is. Like, what does that mean? Like, I don't even, like, Gosh, you're fortunate in the grocery store. Yeah, that's like personal chef type shit right there. But yeah, who knows? Maybe we'll be a blue zone. And now, Glo, you're probably wondering, well, what are the blue zones, right? Yeah, like throughout the world? Yeah. Like what countries? Netherlands. Not Netherlands, I mean Norway. Yeah. Places that it takes a lot more to live, meaning cold. You know, that kind of does a lot for you to have to... Well, Norway is supposed to be the happiest place on earth. I thought that was Disney World. Happiest country in the world. They're not on this list. I just have four. Sardinia, Italy. Really? That's an island, isn't it? Yeah, a lot of fish. Mediterranean diet. Yeah. Fresh food. Fresh air. Yeah. A lot of walking. Yeah. Yeah. The yallies don't allow. Your donkey died. Okay. I'm pretty sure they have cars in Sardinia. Staying in that same area. Acaria, Greece. Really? Similar. Yeah. Same thing again. This one I was a little bit surprised by. Nikoia Peninsula, Costa Rica. I don't really think about Costa Rica. Everybody that I've ever talked to that has gone there loved it. But don't they love it because it's like different but easy because it's so like English friendly and like there's so many like expats there now. Yeah I guess. And then Okinawa, Japan. Oh no kidding. Is that where one of the bombs dropped? No, that was Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Oh, right, right. But Okinawa was one of the fiercest battles of World War II. Yeah, that's right. That's when the Okinawa people were committing suicide because the Japanese told them what would happen when they get caught by the Americans. They were jumping off the cliffs and stuff. Terrible. And that's why we put a base there. To keep those people alive. So things have changed. Now it's a blue zone. Yeah. But you can see that it's like all coastal. Yeah, it's all island, coastal. Water nearby. We were wrong. They're warm. Yeah. They're not cold. Yeah. Well, that's true. Yeah. Even when, you know, back in Murtaza in Portugal, it was all old people riding bicycles. Right. That's how they got around. And they were still working. Like the guy putting, you know, They always make the sidewalks and the streets like a fancy cobblestone with patterns and you know It makes it look really nice and artistic. They're all old. They were like in their good 70s and they're on their knees putting in and straightening out the sidewalk. Everybody in Martoza was old. Yeah There was a lot of old people. Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah, cuz but it's it's laid-back It's kind of what you would think some of those places you just said, you know, it's kind of laid-back. It's It hasn't really caught up to the rest of the world. The pace is slow. Fresh fish. Fresh fish. We're right there on the ocean. I'm saying that maybe Martozo would be a blue zone, but I don't know if you have to apply to be a blue zone. Maybe they just weren't on the person who made this designation's radar. Maybe it's not big enough. There might be some qualifying thing. I've already closed the tabs. I'm not going to open it again for further investigation. All right, here's something that might make us live longer. So I don't know if you've been checking your subscription to Marijuana Moment like I have, Matt. Marijuana Moment? What is that? Apparently, it's a news service for people who are very interested in marijuana and other recreational drugs. I didn't see this anywhere else except here. But Vermont lawmakers are taking up a proposal to decriminalize psilocybin and explore legalizing psychedelic-assisted therapy. Yeah, they should. I'm surprised this hasn't happened already. Well, look how long it took to legalize weed. Wouldn't it be crazy if we went from like, no legal weed six years ago, to like, you know, 10 years later, actually you can just do mushrooms. Yeah, it'd be nice to be able to buy them. Yeah, like, I want to buy... I've only done mushrooms once, and I mean, we pulled them right out of the cow crap, right? You wash them, you boil them, it still tastes like cow shit, right? Yeah, they're awful. So I want to like, can I just take a little drop? Like, I don't want to lose my mind. I just want to check out... That's what it is. It's low-dose, or what they call it now, that they're using in testing for veterans and people like that. Micro-dosing. Yeah, micro-dosing. Yeah, why just veterans? Why not me? Like, why not you? I've been told, analyzed as having PTSD, you know, just from the way I act and do stuff. Have you ever taken mushrooms? Just only recently, because a friend of mine gave me some mushroom chocolate that a friend got it from another friend and all that stuff. I know how that goes. A friend of a friend. But, I don't know. It wasn't the right time to take it. I wish now I had saved it for some other special whatever moment, but yeah, that was it. I don't know for now, I mean for now, I think marijuana does the trick. I don't see why I would need psychedelic unless it was under a therapeutic... It's a whole different experience. I mean, do you want to unlock the cosmos, or do you want to just chill out? Like mescaline or something like that. I've only done mushrooms a few times, mostly it was in Jamaica when I was down there. I mean, I like it because it didn't last that long. Yeah, acid lasts forever. Yeah, acid, you're going, okay, 12 hours, but this stuff was like three or four hours and that was it. Well, it's probably because it's more natural. Right. Yeah, because it's natural, you can kind of get a sense of how much you want, right? I just had a little bit and it lasted like four hours and I was like, yeah, that was good. My friends would just keep eating it and eating it, they were like up all night. Yeah, but yeah glow you're right time and place totally important. I had a friend in high school who dropped acid the day his mom died and we were like Actually, I did it on a really bad sad day thinking this was gonna help me and it just put me down so bad That was a day We were doing a podcast and my eyes were swollen like my whole face was swollen from crying so much It really affected me. So That's what I meant What I meant by that, it has to be the right moment. Yeah. Now I'm impressed by your multitasking skills. You're doing shrooms on the podcast? You're day trading? Like, what else is going on over there? Yeah. Yeah, I think it has a place, a time to do it, yeah. To me, it seems like if you're down, it's only gonna bring you further down. It could. That's why, for me, that was the worst time to experiment doing that. And especially with no help from any, no therapy. You need a Sherpa, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, we talked about that. I've heard that in PTSD victims, what it does is it removes you. So you're kind of seeing memories instead of feeling them. And it kind of gives you a broader picture. So you're like, oh, there's all these other things happening. It's not just what's happening to me, and it kind of like makes everything in context, I've heard, which is helpful. I don't know, I've never done it in therapy, obviously. I sit with a bunch of scumbags. I'm a cow bastard. They went out and got him. They brought him to me, so at least I got that part right. Yes, I guess they're going to consult like UVM Medical School. I guess the original bill is like, oh, we get people from Johns Hopkins. Like, why does it have to be Johns Hopkins? Why does it always have to be Johns Hopkins? Get someone local, you know, just as well. Yeah, make a name for themselves. I'm just worried they're going to get some... Can we get people like under 75 to look at this thing? You know what I mean? Like people who are like maybe open-minded. In a broad range of people. Yeah. You have to look at it different. Yeah. But they said they're going to look at it before the legislative session ends, which is pretty soon. I guess an Alaska Senate panel approved it. New Mexico Senate approved it. Indiana House Committee approved it, New York, so... Indiana? Wow. I can see the rest of them. Indiana's a very conservative state. Missouri's considering it. Yeah. Oh, good. I think people are hurting, trying to figure out, like, what... Well, you know, I don't know that much about it, but I guess the results have been really good in some of their tests, so it's getting a lot of play. Here's a misleading headline. advocates push bill to criminalize violence against pregnant women. Was it not criminalized before? So, Vermont does not recognize a fetus as a person. So what does that mean? If a woman is hit, so they give the example this woman is hit by a car, baby is killed, driver had no culpability for killing the baby, only for injuring the woman. Not a person. Baby's not a person. Just cargo, apparently. Are they saying how long the fetus has to be before they decide that it's now a person? When it's born, I think. Okay, but I mean like for this, whatever they're doing now. Well, it's a good question. I don't know. No, I don't know. I mean, if you're only like one day pregnant, you know, you lose... Yeah, I don't know, Glo. I mean, Alabama just said frozen embryos are people. Oh, God. They're Alabama Supreme Court. They're really bright down there. So basically, you can't do in vitro fertilization in Alabama. They love babies so much, you can't have them. Thanks, Alabama. Yeah, these are crazy. So I don't think they're saying this probably won't go anywhere because Vermont is a pro-choice state. They don't want to. They don't want to say that the baby is a person. Right, because then where will this bring us to, the next thing? Well, the people that were bringing this were called the advocates from Vermont, Right to Life, so. Yeah, Mary Han Beerworth, what a name, Beerworth. Moving on, Matt, I took one of these stories out, I guess we already skipped it. Is that cool? Yeah. All right, I just deleted. Joe's Pond Ice Out is back. Is everyone familiar with this? Yes. Yes, yeah, we've talked about it. I'd like to explain it for the listeners who might not know. It's a way to raise money. It's a 50-50 raffle. You pick the exact, whoever picks the closest time, day and time, that the ice, that the concrete block with the Alarm clock goes under, whoever gets that. So they put a concrete block on ice with an alarm clock on top of it. Right, and somehow they know exactly what time it is or something. Well, probably when it breaks through the ice, it stops working. Oh, it's tethered. It's still going to be freezing cold even though it's been able to break through. But yeah, so they sold 11,000 tickets last year. Hmm. So where does, what does the money go to? Joe's Pond Association, which uses the money for annual fireworks display, water, quality initiatives, and other programs. And the other half goes to the person who won. Yeah. Does it say how much tickets are? What do you think, a buck, two bucks? I don't know. Humans are amazing, right? Get a bunch of boring people and they will come up with something. You know? And put that block out there, how long do you think it's going to melt? I don't know. You want to bet? It's amazing! They've gamified this stupid thing. It's famous and it does... I know. We're the dumbest but also the best species. Joe's Pond is a beautiful spot. You go by it on Route 2. This isn't Injun Joe, is it? It is. I didn't know they put that in there. Isn't that interesting? That's where Injun Joe is. I wonder if they got some letters last time. I don't know. Interesting. That's like your old stomping grounds, right Matt? Danville? Yeah, we used to go there. My mother would take us to Joe's Pond. It was the coldest water I've ever been in. Even in the summer? In July. It's never warm. and there's no beach. There is absolutely not one beach in all of Vermont. Not a real beach, anyway. Not what I want to look. Let's not besmirch North Beach. Oh, God. Not one beach I want to lay on, that's for sure. If you have to wear your shoes to the beach, it's not a beach. Yeah, my dad tells a story. I guess he had some family in Vermont when he was a little kid. He didn't even know where he was going. He just came up here somewhere in the summer and ran out and jumped in a lake. and they're like, no, he jumped in. He said it was the coldest water he'd ever been in. Yeah, it never warms up. Yeah, it's traumatized. Speaking of never warming up, Lake Memphremagog? Don't look at me. I thought you would know this, Matt. Newport. Memphremagog? Memphremagog. Yeah. Memphremagog. That's close. Yeah. Closer than I'm going to get. It's not like someone's listening going, wait, oh, Manfrey Magok. It's close enough to whatever, like, no one's mistaking it like it's something else. No. So yes, a kid fell in. Family fell in. Family of four's side-by-side vehicle fell through. Oh my gosh. Side-by-side, what's a side-by-side? Yeah, what's that mean? You mean like they were parked next to each other with only- I think it's a kind of vehicle. This was like last waste with the ice fishing right right exactly so is this No, it's obviously a different different lake thing. Yeah a side-by-side is like a Jacked up go-kart jacked up golf cart And they went through the water Little kid what five years old or something Fell through the ice around 5 p.m Two adults, two children fell into freezing water, a three-year-old boy. The three-year-old boy remains in critical condition after being underwater for what was first reported to be up to five minutes. Holy crap. It's an awful story. Yeah. I wonder if, were they around people? Did people, I guess you can't jump in to save them. How would you do? It's pretty tricky. Yeah. You have to kind of jump in yourself, unfortunately. So yeah, the chief up there, the police chief praised bystanders who helped get rid or helped get the child out and began CPR. So the outcome could have been very different if they weren't there. So they started doing it right immediately. Wow. Oh, so sad. I mean, it's almost like someone has to be like the, what is it like the hummingbird in the coal mine? Canary? Canary. Like, someone has to be like the, it's like, oh, ice time is over for the season, right? like yeah that sucks well they said some places on the lake it's 13 inches and and other places an inch and a half but you can't tell right you can't tell so you should stay off the lake yeah dang does he wants like he has like cover with snow so you really couldn't tell at all damn man well hopefully that kid lives um yeah the story is a couple days old i haven't I haven't seen any updates, so. Whew, bummer in the first segment, man. Here's a good thing. Franklin County Nonprofit is trying to get women into aviation careers, specifically plane mechanics and pilots. We do have a shortage of pilots. I don't think I've ever seen a, what can I say, female pilot, lady pilot, woman pilot, what's the right phrase? I have. Oh, I have, plenty of times. Yeah, I've walked it through airport. Huh? Sure, I have. Yeah. Really? Yeah, I have. I've been on planes where there were women. Uh-huh. How do you know? I've never seen the pilot. You can see them when you first get on. Yeah, that's one. And they usually have the captain's suit on with a hat. And they're walking, usually, with a male. Because I always assume they're the assistant or something. I'm just kidding. No, I mean, whenever the pilot comes on and gives the message, I've never heard a female voice give that message. That would be great though if it was yeah I thought I wanted to be a pilot at one time. You still got time. No, I did take flying lessons so that's when I learned it's like no not really I don't think I want to do this. I have a friend who is a traffic air traffic controller and he was like dude make me she's like promise me you never get in a plane that seats less than 10 people I was like why He's like, they crash all the time. He's like, all the time. They crash all the time. So I don't know. No interest. But it's not just pilot school. It's also mechanics, which is interesting. It's back in the 70s when I was just telling Matt today, I could have been an electrician. But instead, I chose to go more of a white collar engineering thing instead of becoming an electrician. because the 70s was rape. Mid 70s, like 75 to like early 80s, it was rape for women to enter men, male-dominated fields. Why then more so than now? Because there was some government, oh, what was it called, Matt? Equal something, where companies were forced by the US government to have to, I mean, I had a- so many females, or something, equal opportunity, something, laws. Yeah, but why more than? I don't know. But I took a mechanical aptitude test and passed and stuff. They at least test you just to see if you're worthy of it. I think it was because they could pay you less. Oh, yeah. Damn! You're probably right, but probably in some companies, yeah. But, you know. Did you go so far in your planning to come up with the name of your future electrician business? No. I don't know. No, but I mean... Got the glow? Something like that? Oh, that would have been perfect, yeah. I kind of look back sometimes and wonder what would my life be like if I chose that path instead. Instead of the way I went. This is where we all fade away and we see glow as an electrician. Yeah, I don't know, it would be a quite different world. Certainly, you'd probably have your own business after you work with someone, right? You probably branch off, you can't stand, you wouldn't be able to stand that for very long. Yeah, cuz I think a lot of the time it was construction type jobs, you know, where they were hiring women. New construction? Yeah. I heard that's the best. Really? Well, I've heard that like, well, maybe I'm thinking plumbing specifically. Okay, yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, but I think with new construction, you're the first one in there, so you're not having to like unfuck what someone else did. Or clean out someone else's centuries of crap. Centuries of crap, yeah. So in this story, these girls are actually bending sheet metal to make a plane. Like, who is going to test that plane out? So they're making their own plane? That's what I'm saying. I mean, it's cool, but are you going to be the first person to jump in a plane that a 16-year-old helped build? I wouldn't. It'd have to be really inspected, but I admire them for doing it. It is cool. It's for sure cool. But you know what we really need? There's no women magicians. Hmm, that is interesting how men gravitate towards some things and women others, you know that, yeah, you're right. There's gotta be some, but I don't know of any. I've never seen a female magician. I've never seen a female come out and say, let me do you a card trick. No, no. No interesting card, chicks hate card tricks. Never want to saw anyone in half. No. Never want to disappear. Yeah, is there anything else that like is only male or only female like that? I was trying to think of some other examples, but I can think of like one of each at least for almost every profession except magician. Yeah, well, I think you're right. Yeah, I can't think of anything. Get on it, Vermont. We need a female magician. We need a new non-profit. We need one more non-profit in this state. All right, y'all ready for break? Yep. All right, the music is some rock and roll from the Breaklights. The song is Eureka. We've strayed And it's looking like I'm going out to bed I'm walking this place I'm living for long and pray Of crazy in our eyes So crazy all the time It's crazy in our eyes You know, during World War II there were a lot of female pilots Did you know that? Oh, you know what? What's her name? The woman who... Amelia Earhart? Yeah, of course. But didn't she like get lost? Yeah. There was a lot of mechanics, too. Women mechanics. And let's not forget, Winnie the Welder. There was also besides... Rosie the Riveter. Rosie the Riveter, Winnie the Welder. There was a lot of women and people just... Paula the Plumber. Who? I don't know. You made that one up? You can just make them up, right? Yeah, why not? Yeah, that's true. I totally forgot about Amelia Earhart. Which is funny because she was really rammed down your throat as a kid. Really? There was like certain figures that like, I think it was probably like early, like, let's get like equal representation and show that like, you know, let's not just focus on men or white men. So there's a lot of Amelia Earhart, a lot of Martin Luther King, a lot of Helen Keller, like, and they're all like extraordinary in their own way. But it was just like, every grade, he was like, Oh, cool. Another Amelia Earhart story. It's like, isn't there anyone else that we can focus on? But yeah, there's just a handful of people that were really heavily featured in textbooks and stuff. Yeah, there's plenty others that really never got any credit. It's like those Hidden Figures, NASA ladies from that movie, which I never watched. What movie? Hidden Figures. I never heard that. Hidden Figures? Yeah. It's like three African-American ladies who were like pivotal in the space program. Yes, they were geniuses. Do you mind if I add some more? No, I think it's good. Thanks. Yes, I know that. Yeah, I love that. I love it. Yep. There was also an English one, too, who also was another genius, I think, that helped with, I can't remember now. Hidden figures? Yeah, that's the other one. You mean the Alan Turing? Oh, maybe that's it. Yeah. Yep. He came up with the Turing test. Are you familiar with that? No. So, the Turing test... God, I'm probably going to get this wrong. It's like, if you talk to a robot, but you don't realize it's a robot, that's when, like, AI has hit a certain level. It's like, that's it. Like, if you don't know you're talking to a robot. Okay, that's our pivotal moment. Something like that. That's when something's going to, can you imagine if there's gonna be people walking around that you think are people, but they're robots? I'm pretty sure it's happening now. They're called Trump supporters. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah. Yeah, I think we are living in the simulation glow. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like today, we went to Shaw's. There's hardly any more cashiers. It's all self-checkout, most of it. And then there's nobody there. And we're buying beer, but yet we still have to prove our age. And we're looking around like, OK, where's the person? You know? Well, they don't have many people working there anymore. Really, I feel like Market32 is pretty good about that. They usually have one or two people running the self lane. Just, I mean, one when it's slow, two when it's busy. And they may only have like, you know, six on this side and six over here, while this one is like an arena. Yeah, it's weird, right? The Shaw's one is weird. It's too open or something. There's something odd about it. The problem too, one of the biggest problems with Market 32 is, these machines are fucked up. Yeah, they need a retooling. Yeah, they need to retool those, because they break down all the time. I mean, in the middle of, you know, wait for an attendant, you know, It's just some bullshit they have to put in. Can I quickly air some grievances about Market32's self-checkout? One, I feel like you need to pass a test to do it. You shouldn't be allowed to do self-checkout unless you pass a test. And part of that test should be the speed in which you are checking out your groceries. Because it's definitely recording everything you're buying. It should record how fast you're doing it. If you're consistently under six minutes, you're just going to reject your card and say, sorry go talk to a human you failed yes also if you're buying two things don't go to the register that has the giant space right go to the register that has a little bit of space because people who have a lot of stuff need the ones with the big because there's a couple different sizes of those checkouts you know and some of them you can't even you can't hardly use because somebody's got their shopping cart pressed up against that kind of shit but yeah that's a supermarket rant okay and we're back so have y'all heard this eclipse is happening I thought we've already talked about this it's gonna be a story every week until it happens glow I got eclipse shamed today by an old man oh yeah he's he's like he's like oh you're gonna watch the eclipse and I was like yeah he's like well where are you gonna watch it I was like I'm just gonna walk outside he's like I live in Rochester it's going right over my house he's like I'm gonna have a good view what are you gonna get four minutes First of all, I found out that the last one that Burlington has ever had a total solar eclipse was 1932. Yeah, so it is pretty big. I'm saying it is big. But this guy was saying like, Oh, you're not getting the real eclipse in Burlington and Rochester. We're getting the real one. No, no, we're really getting the real one. I mean, it's going to be more like a couple of hours. There's going to be the peak and all that but it's going to start I haven't written down exactly it's like 208 and it's going to go through these phases but it's I got news for that old man. Ain't nobody going to see the expo because it's going to be cloudy. Oh, you think so? Yeah. I saw some in the last 100 years that date. There's almost no chance it'll be sunny. Vermont weather people don't know what's happening in 12 hours. I don't trust they're going to know what's happening then. And then this old man, I was like, oh, he's like, yeah, I'm going to go to this park and watch it. I was like, well, you might not want to go too far. They told us not to leave our house because it's going to be so crowded. They expect thousands of people. He's like, we expect hundreds of thousands of people. He got one up in me. I was just like, all right. I was like, OK, I don't know. Yeah, we may want to stay in our pets at South Burlington. That's a bummer, though, man. I'd rather be here, of course, but we'll see. I wonder if we could borrow bicycles. We could bike here. Yeah, but maybe a tandem bike? No! How long would y'all last on a tandem bike before you wrecked? Or she killed me. What about like a bike with like, you can just put Matt in a sidecar or something. You can just kinda... We can ride down the back. We can just sit on the seat. Get a banana seat. Yeah, yeah, put your arms around her. Hey, you're doing good, baby. You're peddling like the wind. So glow, we bring up the eclipse. One, so I could tell my old man shaming story, but two, because this church, which you have probably heard of, the first Unitarian Universalist Society of Burlington. That's the one at the head of Sherb Street. That's like the, everyone's welcome, right? Like, oh, yeah, yeah. Like, we don't care how gay you are. like you got knocked up you know yesterday or whatever like they're just like all it's all inclusive yeah mm-hmm okay well let's kind of hope they should be right yeah that's the way I look at it so they are doing this thing where they're having their members rent out rooms in their home to eclipse peepers or what are we gonna call it clips people mm-hmm clips watchers Eclipsers? Eclipse Enthusiasts? Eclippers. Eclippers. Between April 6th and April 8th, so if you're still looking for a room or you need some out of town looking for a room, check these people out. The program is called... Homestay Rental Program? Yeah. Google the church, there's a website. Yeah, you should be able to find it. But, here's the catch. They said, it's really for someone who wants to meet people. So, I don't want that. I want to rent a room, but I don't want to talk to you. Right, I'm not trying to make a friend. And I'm not coming to your church either. Right. Is this like a recruitment tool? Yeah, sounds like it. Have you all ever stayed somewhere like a bed and breakfast or like an Airbnb where like, there's other people there and like, they're like very chatty and you're like, That's me. Chatty or? Yeah, I'm chatty. Oh, so you're the one? No. I don't know. Maybe the one in South Carolina. He's the owner. He was chatty. We love that place. We'd love to go back if it's still going. I can't remember the name of it. South Carolina? Yeah. What city was it? In, um... Charleston? Charleston. It was great. I mean, he was so proud of his breakfast, and... Some old man complained to him? No, he didn't complain. He said, uh, do you have ketchup? And he... I thought this guy... Yeah, the look on his face. I know, I was like, you are not going to put ketchup on... What was it? No, it was like a very gourmet kind of breakfast. I mean, it wasn't just eggs and toast, no, it was like beyond that. It was a really nice breakfast. He was so proud of it. Part of it was sausage gravy, I think. Biscuits and sausage gravy, I think some of that. A good southern thing. Very friendly owner. Great to be there. You're not putting ketchup on my sausage gravy. I'm no gourmet breakfast chef by any means. I make eggs for my wife. She always doesn't even taste it. puts ketchup right on it. What? And I'm like... Is that something from Korea? No! Oh, okay. No, it's... Well, they got talked into eating spam, so I think... Talked into? I mean, it's... The great spam negotiation of 1943. Okay, you take spam. We'll take your shitty cars. No, I don't know. I think it's you know sometimes you adapt a culture in certain ways and she adapted to ketchup She loves ketchup huh and cheese Cheese that I can see I mean But yeah, I think some I think some people they don't they don't even think about it. They're just like oh Eggs equals ketchup. No. I think the only time I've ever put ketchup on eggs was like an egg sandwich or something If there's bread of yeah, yeah, yeah, it goes good with bread and egg Baby? You know what I mean? Ketchup and what? Eggs. Want some chicken nuggies? Yeah, anyway, so yeah, if you're interested in making a friend and getting chatted up, you can check out this program through the First Unitarian Universalist Society of Burlington Homestay Rental Program. Moving on. I didn't know how to feel about this next story because I don't know what a fish hatchery is. No kidding. In the light of the moment. Really? The headline is, some anglers worry about the state proposal to close Salisbury fish hatchery. I think this story's a little old, I think they are gonna close it. So Glow, what does one do at a fish hatchery? You hatch fish. I knew you were gonna say that. Okay, but like, and then? Like a lot of your tilapia and stuff like that. You know about my tilapia. That a lot of what you buy or get in a restaurant has been raised now in farms, like a hatchery, a fish hatchery, where, and they're not exactly the healthiest fish because usually, you know, wild fish is better for you according to whatever, but so, yeah. Don't they also restock ponds and? Yeah, they do that, too. I think that's a big part of it. Okay, that's why I was confused, because it says anglers. Why would fisher people care that a fish farm is being closed? Because that's what they do with these fish. They put them in bodies of water until there's more fish. Yeah, they put it back in the wild so that people can then have something to fish. Because we no longer have the natural ecosystem that will produce the fish that these all so many more people these days probably are out there fishing than it was back in a day. That's my next question. So is it because of overfishing or like other pollutants, climate change? Like both. OK, everything. Too many people, too much fishing, pollution, you name it. It's crazy because like too much fishing, I can understand. But like, don't we like need a certain amount of hunting? Isn't like hunting actually good for the ecosystem? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, sure it is. Why can't it just be one thing for all of it, like, don't do it or do it a bunch? I mean, for certain things, like deer, you know, even moose, maybe, you know, which I find that just a repulsive sport, but... Shooting moose? Yeah, because they're just so dumb and they stand there and... Yeah, somebody told me it was like shooting a parked car. Yeah, I think Matt has been overtaken by Bullwinkle propaganda that he thinks like moose are like these friendly, lovable creatures. No, they're not. They will stomp your ass. They kill more people in Vermont than a lot of things. Snowmobiles. Snowmobiles. But, yeah, I don't know. I know that in certain winters, it's good that they killed off a lot of deer. You know, it just helps a bunch of them survive. But I don't know. I kind of figure they know what they're doing. You know, For the most part, the field and wildlife people, you know? I don't know, humans have screwed up so much that I'm not so sure about anything we do, really. I mean, how many times have we introduced a species to get rid of the other species, and then that species then becomes the problem, and then we need another one to go in and kill. I think porcupines, right? I think Fisher Cats was brought in because we had a big porcupine population in, in, uh... The Fisher Cats ended up killing everything else. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Not the porcupine. The Fisher Cat is from where? Like, is this like a man-made thing? No, Fisher Cat is a weasel. Yeah. And, uh... Maybe Canada, originally from Canada, you know, or, you know, those places. And they were trapped for their fur, you know, but, uh, they introduced them to Vermont. Because of porcupines. Yeah, and then Dad got carried away and taken over. Because they can't kill him, but they kill everything else. Fisher cats, they survive. Fisher cats and the porcupines made a deal. Yeah, yeah, you leave us alone. See these spikes on my back? Let's just chill out. Lot of rabbits around. Let's come to an accord. So was that like the height of luxury back in the day, like some lady with Fisher cat gloves? Like, I never even heard of that. I never heard of it until I moved to Vermont. I really didn't know what it was. It's one of these, like you say, it's an invasive species. But, actually, are they anymore? Maybe not. I haven't heard much more about them. Not invasive as it used to be. Probably have another one now. Now we got snakes. Snakes kill fish and cats. Well, it's also things that come over from other countries, too. you know, in shipments. Immigrants. Oh, no, okay, sorry. Well, anyway. So here is the, um, this is why I think that maybe I don't side with the fisher people. The anglers that oppose the proposal are worried that the closure would reduce their opportunities to practice the sport. Sport? Bit of a stretch, but we'll go with it. And make it harder to catch fish to eat. If it's harder, doesn't that mean that you'd get better? That's better practice, right? Yeah. I mean, it's like cutting all the trees at the golf course to make it easier to golf. What's the point? I mean, the whole point, right? That's what you're doing. More trees, right? We should put up more sand traps, put a waterfall in there. You want a challenge? Or do you want to just make it as easy as possible for you? We have a pit of spikes. Just deal with that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Is fishing a sport? I don't know. It's more of a pastime, right? No, it's a sport for you guys. I don't know. But you can do it drunk. Well, there's that kind of fishing. Right? I mean... Yeah, it shouldn't be a sport if you can do it when you're drunk, right? Yeah, like golf? Not a sport, it's a game. I joined the Fish and Wildlife in New Jersey as a volunteer. Uh-oh. My first assignment was on a fishing boat. Okay. That was the end. And I was like, nope, this is not what I want to do. I was going to say, who made that decision? Was that a mutual agreement? Did you come to an accord with the, because it was? Oh, it's gory. I mean, even fish. I hate seeing fish flopping around, the poor thing. Or the hook, and then they're unhooking them. And I'm like, ah! Who should go? What did you think? I don't know what I was expecting. You're going to grab them in nets and talk them to sleep? And you're like. I thought I was going to be petting Bambi or just, I mean, yeah. Yeah, fish boats are, fishing boats are brutal. It is a really gross activity. It's like grimy and like fish are like hard and slimy and like their scales can cut you. Like it's, yeah, it's, oh, and people do that for a living. Like on those boats. They bleed so much. Fish blood. It's like fish guts everywhere. And it stinks. Even fresh fish. I don't care. Any fish. It smells. It takes a certain kind of person to make a living on a fishing boat. Yeah. I know a lot of them. I would call them a real man. Not me, but like a real man. Some of them couldn't get another job anywhere else. It's one of those professions. Or handed down. You just don't know any better. You just keep getting it handed down to you. Yeah, like the Venn diagram of like people who are really like hard-ass fishermen and can type? Yeah, probably like not a very Not a lot of overlap there All right moving on to some more laws Vermont is considering Taking up motor vehicle light restrictions So apparently it's wild wild west as far as like what lights you can put on your car in Vermont right now You can do anything You can put blue lights under your car, neon lights, whatever you want, and there's no restrictions. Which seems crazy to me that that's taken this long, but maybe that trend hasn't gone. Is that a new trend? No, see that's what is crazy to me. Like when I was a teenager, that was the trend in Florida. Like a low rider with neon lights and all kinds of stuff going on, and then they banned it. Yeah. because it was mostly punk kids and minorities who were doing it. It wasn't like a state senator doing it, so it was an easy call for them, bam. I'm surprised Vermont didn't get that. Is that a danger, to do that? Well, you have the example in the story that if a car is pulled over on the side of the road and there's a bunch of blue lights going on, you probably think it's official. Right. Yeah, I was just about to say, I could see banning police lights, things that would make you seem official as an authoritative figure that could pull you over, that I definitely see that as being banned. Blue or red lights, you know. I say ban them all. Yeah, you don't need them. Yeah, exactly. Because otherwise people are just always going to keep finding loopholes, so just say all of them. Yeah, here's an idea. Don't make your car your identity. Why don't you have a personality? Exactly. Work on that. It's like people who put bumper stickers all over their fricking car. I've never had a bumper sticker on any car I've ever owned. Because you never know who, you know, when I'm going to put some crazy political statement on my car. That's never good. You know, like you're going to piss off half the people in the country. But like, I do like being on a stoplight behind someone who has a bunch because it gives you something to read. It does. It is interesting. I've only had one. Hold on, hold on. Let's guess, Glow. What do you think Matt's sole bumper sticker in his entire life, what do you think it said? Was it vote for somebody? No. Was it, what was the old saying? Ask grass, gas, or ass? No, no, not like that. Oh, keep on truckin'. God, no. I don't know. It was, don't re-elect anybody. That was it. That's it? That's it. That's something I think everyone would agree with. Right. That's a universal thing. Don't re-elect anybody? Yeah. Well, what about like FDR and those kind of presidents? Get him out. No, I don't really believe that because, yeah, I want to re-elect Joe Biden, you know, instead of Donald Trump. Yeah, but if you couldn't re-elect either of them. But this was the 70s or something. You know, it's like. I know. You were all free love and. Not me. We know Glo, we know that you and Matt had different 70s. They're also taking up a bill to control the amount of tint you can put on your car. Whoa. Oh, finally. I mean, Florida was just every single car. We talked about this and we said how it's illegal there, nobody does anything about it. My brother drives up in my sister-in-law's car, and it's tinted, I said, it can't be that, it's tinted. It was them. Yeah. It was great. I went, wow, the Florida tint is out of control. Everybody's got an SUV blacked out. You're like, is this the cartel rolling up on me? Like, what is this? Yeah, you're right. It was. Every one of them. So they're doing 30% tints on windshields is what they'll allow. I have no idea. I don't either. Do cops know? It's a cop going to walk in and go, that looks like 35. I mean, you know, like, what does that even mean? It just opens up more stupid laws. And who's going to enforce it? That's the problem. You know, we can just write them up all we want, but who's going to enforce it? Why don't we just say no tint? Yeah, that would be easy, especially here in Vermont. You know, it's not like our sun is so much stronger than it is in Florida. If anything, it's the opposite. So we don't have that same angle of sun as Florida. So we shouldn't have a need for tint. For what? Six weeks out of the year? So now I have a counterpoint because like this is what people would say in Florida They would say that like these tint laws were like because there are laws in Florida They said no one cares, but cops would use them as a reason to pull you over, right? Music's too loud or if like yeah, you're a black kid driving a car that they think is too expensive for you to be driving So there is like this other component to it where there is like a discrimination. I understand that so it is it is tricky, but I don't know. If there was just no tint, then that would kind of solve that. What about car manufacturers? Aren't they being held liable for this stuff? They're the ones who produce these windows now? I think, well, I don't know. Or is that done after it comes off the assembly line? That's what I think, but I'm totally talking out of my ass right now. Yeah, I don't know. So do they replace the whole window with something darker or is it like some kind of shield or something they put over the glass? I think I think it's the second one. I think it's some kind of a treatment. I don't think they're replacing anything. I think that'd be too expensive. No, that would be way expensive. Because you, yeah, okay, because I remember like as a kid in Florida, when I had crappy cars, your tint can peel. So it is removable, like to a certain extent, but yeah, not what you want. But yeah, if you get a bad tint job, it can definitely peel. All right, more discrimination. So Burlington, not Burlington, I'm sorry, Montpelier is trying to enact a law to prevent hair discrimination. Racial discrimination based on hair. What? Oh, I see. So if you want an afro the size of an air balloon, you could. Yeah, or maybe nothing that drastic. maybe just dreadlocks or braids or you know you come to work one day and you have a weave that's a different color than it was the day before or you look like Pippi Longstocking you know okay the braids up you know oh I thought you meant like a I imagine like the girl from Wendy's yeah similar okay so Matt You were a man who had discriminatory hair as a youngster. Yeah. You ever been, um... Yes. Get out of the car, long hair! Oh yeah, no. I, um... Working in a supermarket. Supermarket. And they would not let me work when there was customers in the store, because my hair was too long. So I worked at night, and then I'd go to school the next day. Did you ever think about cutting it, or were you like, damn the man? No, I didn't, you know. Boy, that would be like, great for me. I enjoyed it. Great, I don't have to work here with customers, that's better. I enjoyed it. I worked with a guy that I really liked, or my brother worked some, because he was going to school and needed some extra money, and he was helping out. What was your brother's hair like? He had short hair, because he was in nursing school. Well, short hair comparatively to mine. But I enjoyed it. Great. You don't have to mess with customers, that's it. Did you have long hair when you were in California? When did you cut these locks? Anyone who's listening, Matt used to have like... I've only seen one picture, couldn't tell how long they go, but they look like they went... Up to his butthole. You could have said waist. Yeah, I grew it down to my waist. I grew it down to my waist and I think I cut it in 1978 or 77. Where were you at that point in life? I was in Florida, and I was working at the... I still work at Estambolian, so I was probably 77. So what made you cut it? I just woke up one day and I said, eh... Did you donate it? Not that time. The second time I did. You mean you grew it that long again? Yes. When I was in California. No kidding. And my friend Mark and I, we worked together at the store. He had really long hair, too. So one Saturday we just said let's go get our haircuts and donate our hair and we did. I started growing it when I was living here in Vermont and then I moved to California. So it was probably five or six years that I had. When you were at the StumbleInn and you cut it, were your regulars like, Oh, what are you doing, Matt? Some people. Most people didn't give a shit. You know, they're like, new bartender? Oh yeah, yeah. Who are you? You know, I don't know. I don't think anybody had that big a reaction. You and your buddy in California had like a couple of long hairs. Did you, uh, you all have any nicknames? Did you call each other like the Doobie Brothers or anything? No. We were boring. Baristas. Some, um, Winters, what's his name? Johnny Winter. Yeah, you look like Johnny Winter. Yeah, that's one of my nicknames in high school was Johnny Winter. Who's that? He's an albino guitar player. Oh, okay. He's bluesy rock, yeah. I'm surprised you don't... He's got a brother named Edgar. Had a song, huge song, called Frankenstein back in the 70s. But he was albino too. Two brothers? They were both albino. What are the odds? But that's what Matt looked like, an albino. Yeah, they called me Johnny Winner. Johnny Winner. So this bill is to end racial discrimination. as you mentioned, like you could have a fro as big as you want. I love it. I remember my taping teacher in high school had a huge fro. I actually put my hand in it. One day, I didn't know why I did that. I just was so tempted. Anyway. You probably got that a lot. Did the teacher react? Oh, no, she was fine with it. But she was like, what are you doing? I don't know. I just like, it was enormous. And I just, not anything I grew up with. So I kind of, anyway. All right, moving on. Vermont Dental Clinics are now using AI to analyze x-rays and to, I think, do some consultation. What? So now you're gonna be talking to a robot? So according to the American Dental Association, same people who endorse your floss probably, they say that AI can be used for treatment planning and data analysis. However, their standards for AI emphasize that clinical decisions are reserved for dentists and that AI developers are transparent about how products are designed and used. So basically, it's like the consultation and like analyzing the x-ray. AI's probably better at analyzing the x-ray than people are. Oh, of course, because you're just looking at this x-ray that you're the one who has to decide what this little stuff means and all. But the AI can analyze it better than somebody sitting there in a chair. Yeah, because a human might be a human. Tired, hungry. Bored. AI never gets tired. Horny? I don't know. It could be distracting. I guess if you had a really good, attractive patient sitting in your chair, you could have that problem, maybe. Possibly. Or if you just, you know, I don't know. Maybe it's just been a while. But I don't know though. I still kind of think somehow dentists also kind of pick up things that an AI... I'd be curious. I want to see how far this is going to go and how, I mean, this is just the beginning of it. So, you know, may have a couple quarks to work out. Yeah, so they say does not replace clinical judgment of practitioners. See? Told you. Not yet. I mean... Not yet, but it's going to be there. Like AI right now is the worst it's ever going to be. Oh, yeah, I see what you mean. Yeah, it's only gonna get better. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we'd like to watch these criminal shows and The the videos we were watching last night and I'm thinking and they put a woman behind bars Based on that and I'm thinking it's the most scratchiest Almost like no detail video but yet You've got to be kidding like at this day and age when we still have that was that happened this also happened in 2017 and a lot has changed since then, especially with cameras, you know with these doorbell cameras and shit like that, how much, how much stuff they're catching on those things or just cameras everywhere, you cannot, you know, that's what they proved last night was on that one episode where they kept following this woman as she, what they, after she, she thought that they killed this guy and they had cameras everywhere, different stores, different everything. Gas station. This is America? This is America. Wow. Because I know that is like Britain definitely has cameras everywhere, Korea has cameras everywhere, but it is funny how America is slowly becoming that, but we don't really talk about it. We don't notice them as much. Because in Britain, I know they're right there. You know, you see them. CCTV. Yeah. Oh, wow. Keeps people in line, probably. Pretty scary. Not if you keep your nose clean, man. That's right. Speaking of tech, the Milton PD got a couple of drones. I saw this and I'm like, what the fuck? Really? I think it's cool. Well, yeah, but... They're going to use it for search and rescue. Okay. I get it. I mean, it's... They said since November they've had three successful missions. Now, we don't know what that means, right? Like, this is a couple of dudes with a new toy. Do they need to use the drone? They get it up in the air. Successful mission, number one. If there's a car crash, get the drone! We can fly the drone! And three out of how many? I don't know. I just imagine like... Yeah, it could be three out of 73. It didn't crash, the phone. We've had three successful missions, 73 unsuccessful missions, and we injured an old person. But, I don't know, this makes me think like, these cops are like, I just imagine like, little kids, like right away, like, let me fly the drone, no, let me fly the drone, and they're flying it, and they're like... Don't you think there's like, one person on that squad that knows how to do that? I mean, really well. I don't know, man, depending on how, if these are younger cops, which, you know, a lot of them are, like, I bet they're like, the video game has like, taught them a lot of like, how to control that stuff, and having like hand to eye dexterity and joy stick. We knew a young man who knew how to do it very well. He was like 14, you know? Young man. Yeah, right? Yeah. He was very good at it. Drove his father crazy. Swooping in on him. But I don't know, I think it's cool. Good for you, Milton. It cost him $8,000. Seems like a lot. They get the money from the feds. Yeah, so who cares? All right, moving on. Rutland Coalition is taking on crime. I don't know, how late is this? Seven years too late to start, like, you know what? We should take on crime. What's that mean? I don't know. People, like just civilians, are going to take to the streets with baseball bats? Have you ever seen Police Academy 4? No. Is that what it means? Citizens on Patrol. The coalition of over 300 area organizations has the mission of turning the Marble City into one of the safest in the state. Fat chance. Well, hey, if you got your heart in it, you might just be able to do it, but... No, I'd like to see it, because the downtown Rutland is a beautiful spot. I love downtown Rutland. It's got the train, too. It's just got such a horrible reputation. Well, I don't... Yeah, I've never seen the ugly side, I guess, because I've been to Rutland many times and I've never got that impression of it as being what we made it out to be where it's like, you know, some drug, every drug, every corner has a drug addict just like splayed out. They've had a lot of stories coming out of Rutland. You ever been to like Kinta Inn or whatever it is? Yeah, yeah. Okay, anything Route 7, completely, completely just, you blast it. Just get rid of the whole thing. It's ugly. And that's what brings down Rutland. Make Route 7 an 8-lane highway. Just like Florida. Get through Rutland as fast as possible. I mean, there's some beautiful homes still left on that road, but for the most part, ugh. Like, if this mayor of Rutland, like, it seems like he's like, again, we like the mayor of Rutland. Yeah, we do. Don't like the mayor of Burlington. No. Not yet. Is it possible that these cities are just going in opposite directions? Could be. Could very well be. And then people will be wanting to move to Rutland in 10 years? 10 years. It's like, oh, go to Rutland. You get a lot more land for your money. They're building a college down there. I mean, I don't know. It used to be a huge city for a reason, I guess, for the location. When I first moved to Burlington in 1990, it was nothing like it is today. It was a small, little college town that rocked out on, you know, several nights a week down at Church Street. But there was hardly any problems. There was, you know, the population seemed a lot smaller, but I don't know if it was. Oh, it had to be. But it was laid back. It was a nice place. It was really nice. And Burlington enjoyed that for many, many years. But, you know, and now, big city problems have taken over, and it's the same with Rutland. So I don't know how, you know, Burlington has a lot better chance of getting back to where it was, because it has the, you know, it's already been done here, you know. Yeah, but I don't know. I feel like a couple of developers, Moreau not excluded, just kind of squeezed as much as they could out of it. And then he's like, you know what? See ya. Made my money. Yeah, did a horrible job. He's the worst. Run for governor, you dumbass. And all these slumlords just continuously get away with, and it makes the city, I mean, yeah, the kids I worked with at Champlain used to call that the ghetto. Anything from Pearl Street on was called the ghetto. Well, okay, real quickly, yes, I agree, I'm totally anti-slumlord. I think tenants do not have enough protections. But where I lived in Gainesville was also called the student ghetto. And a lot of that was tenants not taking care of the place they live. Yeah, no, okay, no, I know that, I mean, but yeah. When I first moved here, there was a whole block on Main Street coming down on the hill that was empty. It's where Champlain College is now. And matter of fact, yeah, that hill right there, that was a big, open pasture field. I used to actually sit there and have lunch sometimes at the very top, under this really big tree. And one of the presidents gave everybody the day off and then sawed down this, like, beloved tree. What a motherfucker. Yes, I know. That's how I feel of Champlain College in general. It's just, you know, sorry. But anyways, you know, Rutland could come back. Who knows? It has the bones. They're old, but it has the bones, right? Yeah. What's it near? Like, what's, like... There's a cross... There's a railroad there. Route 4. Like, if I live in Rutland, what can I get to very quickly that I can't get to from Burlington? Like, what's... The ski resort. Killington. Somewhere in Killington. Route 4. Route 4. you could take Route 4 West, go to New York. Okay, but where in New York? Am I going to... Well, you get to bumfuck this town, but eventually you get to the interstate. You know, but yeah, it's a crossroads in more ways than one, I think, so it's at a crossroads. But, you know... That's getting deep. But it's, you know, Route 7's busy, then you got Route 4 that runs, you know, this way and that way. There are ski resorts, there's other things around, but you know, it's just like a lot of towns. St. Johnsbury is another one. They've just fallen on hard times. You know, St. Johnsbury used to be a real big deal in the state. Now nobody talks about it. Not for good reasons. I'm polling for Rutland. We like the mayor. The mayor is our guy. Yeah, he seems, I mean, every time I read a story, I'm like, oh, okay, that's a good idea. I like that. I like that. And it's funny, because I'm pretty sure I would not have voted for him, you know, like, that's how, I guess, stupid I am. All right, speaking of Rutland, they're bringing back the punk rock flea market. What's that? This is the brainchild of Nick Grandchamp. And basically, it's like a pop up in in Merchants Hall downtown, where he sells records, and I think like other stuff. Let's see, there'll be 20 vendors peddling goods ranging from comics, toys, clothing, music. Julian Hackney, the young at heart ginger beer guy, if you all have had that. He's at the Burlington Farmer's Market, he's got stuff in some stores. It's really, really good non-alcoholic ginger beer. So he'll be there. So I don't know, it's kind of like a DIY kind of punk rock counterculture, a bunch of stuff, I don't know, it's different, right? It's cool, right? Do that every now and then. Well, Nick Grandchamp has a great name. Yeah, is that real? Like, how'd you get that name? Well, my great-grandfather was the Grand Champion of something. Well, good for them. I need stuff like this. Yeah, I would agree. It's just something cool. If it was 30 minutes less far, I'd probably go, but it's like, it's that extra 30 minutes back, especially Route 7. Or you can always take the 89, you know? Anyway. No, not unless you were going to come on Route 4 through Killington. Alright, moving on. Global Foundries is getting a big chunk of change. The U.S. government, yeah. Federal award to modernize its manufacturing hub in Essex Junction. You know, this is a big deal. How much money is this? What's that? How much money is it? 1.5 billion. Billion with a B. Yeah, it helps keep... Jobs. You know, because this is the old IBM business. And IBM used to be the place anybody who wanted to get ahead in Vermont wanted to work. Because it was huge, it was, you know, who knows, 7,000 people were working there. It was a good employer. It was a great employer and stuff. So over the years, and then global foundries took them over, I don't know, about 10 years ago. But, you know, they still employ 1,800 people, which is a lot. You know, it's not as much as UVM probably, or the hospital, but it's a lot. I think this is great. I would love it if there was like some, and maybe it is here, but I would love some money earmarked for like investing in like local, like, oh, we're going to hire like local interns, give local kids opportunities. We're going to like invest in like a technical training center for people who maybe four year college is not necessary, but they can get two years and jump right, you know, they can learn how to code and jump right into our business and help out. you know, something like that. Yeah, make a lot of sense. Well, I mean, it's it's the modernization is supposed to cost 900 million. So that's 600 million left over. I hope I hope the right people get it. CEO bonuses right there. Oh, right. Moving on. The Queen of Mahjong. You just cursed? No. Okay, I misheard something. I thought you were like, okay, Linda Siegel, an old Jewish lady, fell in love with Mahjong, and now she is the Mahjong queen of Burlington. She's running things down at the, correct my pronunciation. What? Well, the name Siegel, we know the name Siegel. So we're not sure if that, if she's, nevermind, we don't need to know all that. We're just looking at each other going, maybe that could be his ex-wife, maybe. So, yeah, Linda Siegel. She's running games down the Ohavi Static Synagogue. Is that how you say that? Is this the one on North Prospect Street or the old one that's been? I think it's on North Prospect. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of figured it would be. Y'all ever um play mahjong? No. No. It's fascinating right that like there's this game we're like who's really into mahjong? Well it's old Chinese men and the Golden Girls. That's interesting why those two? I don't know it's like old Jewish women and Chinese men love this game. I was asked to join a group of old women. Yeah and you were like no. Yeah wait a minute I still want to be skiing Instead of sitting here all day, what are you talking about? But yeah, no, I did not take the offer. It's like bridge used to be for old ladies, I think. Yes. Yes, the housewives whose husbands went off to work and came home with briefcases in the suit and they were all dressed up in cocktail dresses and they would have their girlfriends over and then, you know, they'd have a... This is when America was great. No? Well, yes, but it's great for them. Great for them, but no, because I think, like I've talked about, a lot of bitter women. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That gets passed down. I mean, Bridge was just an excuse to have afternoon cocktails with your lady friends. Of course. To tolerate the misery when your husband comes home and is an absolute asshole. He just wants to be half in the bag when he gets home. Right, yeah. But it's also because you don't make something of yourself. You are dependent on everything your husband does as being your identity. And I think down deep, it sounds easy. It sounds like, oh, I'd like to have that. No, you don't. Because down deep, it really does affect a person's value of themselves. And it's like women who used to go to college just to find a husband. So, yeah. You say used to, let me introduce you to the South. I think it's quite popular. But yeah, I don't know, I'm not trying to argue with you because I don't actually know. But I feel like there are still a lot of women who are happy to be, quote-unquote, kept women. Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, I think so. But when it's forced on you, that's the point. In the 50s, oh, a woman having a job? Unless you're single, yeah. I mean, it's like back in the prairie days of the 1800s, where you couldn't be married if you were a teacher. You had to be a single woman to be the school marm. It's funny because I think now it's almost the opposite. Now it's like they would want you to be married because it shows stability. Yes, and that's why actually a couple of my jobs is because I owned homes and they said, Oh, so you're stable, you're going to stay here. Not really. The other day my wife was like, why are there so many homeless people? And I was like, oh, that's a really complicated question. And part of it was like, well, yeah, like you, she's like, well, why can't they, like, get a place? I'm like, well, they need first month, last month, deposit. That's a lot of money. If you're living on the streets, like, yeah, like suddenly you have like, what would that be in Burlington? Over $3,000 easily? Yeah. Gotta hold up a bank for that. Like a good bank. Then set yourself straight. I feel like we just wrote a movie. This is my last job. Um, God, what were we saying? I lost my train of thought when you went to prairie days. Yeah. But yeah, if you choose to be that, and you have that choice to begin with, I would say, yeah. Why not? I mean, to be honest, I wish I never had to have a job. Really? I love to work. Don't get me wrong. But jobs, and I've had a couple of jobs that I love, and I look back, and I wish, you know, I kept in touch with my co-workers, because it was just so much fun. I just loved the job. But then there was so many of those other ones. It just left me with a bad taste in my mouth. It's like, I don't want to be forced to have to go to work when I'm not feeling well. I'm not, you know what I mean, because of my own work ethic, that kind of thing. And it's just, you know, one time I was driving in Northwest New Jersey, way before anything. And I saw, ding ding. Yeah, I know. Anyway, and I saw an old house in the woods with, and you could tell they were, she was a, he or she was a potter, and I thought that was the most ideal thing to live. I mean, yeah. I mean, it's like, nevermind. Let's go on with it. Whatever, I don't even know what I'm saying. I would say one more thing, and I'm not quite sure how to verbalize this because it might be kind of controversial, but the way that you're describing women who are like kind of forced into like being subservient to their husbands. I feel like that's happening with parents to their children. The parents are becoming subservient. Yeah. Oh, no kidding. Yeah. I feel like you have to like live up to like a certain level of like whatever parenting or whatever. Or else it's like, oh, look at this piece of crap. It's like, but I think that also makes parents kind of miserable because they're like, I don't want to do this. It's like I want to be happy. I think it's like, I'm probably a better parent if I'm actually happy, not like subservient to my kids. I feel like the Europeans got it right. Europeans are like, whatever, I'm having a party, my kids aren't around, who cares? They'll figure it out. I'll see you tomorrow, you know? Moving on. Just let that sit. I pulled this for you, Glo, because I thought you might have something to say about this person. Colossal Sanders, are you familiar with this person? No. If you scroll down the story, there's a link to the website where you can see their art. They say this person's art is ubiquitous around Vermont. I looked at it, didn't ring any bells to me. Me neither, right now. Okay, well, maybe it's a slow news day. Maybe they just knew this person. Maybe this person's on staff at the website, I'm not sure. But I really hate to crap on art. That's not true, I kinda like it. But I don't know, this person's art is not really for me. It's like, here's a thing on top of another thing. Yeah. I don't really see examples of his art. Do I have to press on this? Ooh, I forgot to, you know what, I better do that now. So did you scroll around the story, you see that link that says Colossal Sanders? Hold on, oh well, let's, oh, okay, got it. You see it? Yeah. Got it, okay. Just take you to a page, you can see like cards, prints, stickers, I don't know, I mean, I guess if people like it, it's fine, but it's also like, huh, why this person? Yeah, I don't know. I'm looking at all his prints, okay, I guess all right. Hey, if he's making a living, Why? I don't care. If somebody likes it, I don't care. That's right, right? I mean, like, that's what's important. He's doing his thing. There's a million artists making a living who are not for me and good for them, right? They always just move on. Colossal Sanders, check him out. Or him, right? Him, her? Him, I think. Check him out. Yeah, let us know. I wonder if his name is really Colossal. I don't think it is. All right. Last story. We have a rival podcast. Oh, yeah? that I think we need to take out. We need to start an old-fashioned radio war against this podcast. No, actually, I think this podcast is a stupid idea, but I think they're going to be incredibly popular. So again, I have bad judgment of what is popular. So this is a podcast called, and now we're actually promoting it. So here we go, this is how stupid we are. It's a podcast called Baby Carl's Happy Apocalypse. Good name. Good name. Right. Good name. 8 out of 10 on the name. No notes. It's a podcast about fighting climate change and social injustice. Okay, another one. But here's the twist. 56 year old Doyle Dean interviews Vermonters while embodying the persona of a happy, inquisitive toddler named baby Carl. Oh my god. So should we have had a baby? I wish we had a toddler on this podcast the whole time. Like, would that have made things better? I think we would have had more listeners. I don't get it, so... He's pretending to be a toddler, and he's interviewing people about, like, the future of the world. But yet, looking at him, he's interviewing these people, and he obviously is not a toddler, so what exactly... I mean, like, these people know him. It sounds like he's gonna pretend to be a toddler. Oh, okay. By the way, we just went by the Bread and Pupper... I was gonna say Bread and Puppet, which is another place in Vermont, but this was the Bread and Butter Farm. Yeah, we went by there today a couple of times. Yeah. They have like hamburger nights. We went to Heinsberg to have lunch of all places and we went to Dumb Luck Cafe. Dumb Luck Cafe. It was alright. It was good. It was alright. It was just Heinsberg. Bar food. Yeah. Yeah. Dumla Cafe? Yeah. What'd you get? We had, we split. Oh, no. Fried cod sandwich. Okay. With onion rings. Corn chowder? And onion rings. And corn chowder. Okay. How was onion rings? They're alright. What do you mean alright? They're good, I guess. They're good. Yeah, I still have some. That's not... I have some at the other place. Well, I still think it was alright. It was good, but, you know, it's not... I think it's worth it. Y'all are going really, like, Y'all are very much couching this. I think we liked it. We liked the guy. The guy was really nice. Very friendly. Him and his wife own it. You know, so... Is this the Rainbow Cafe, Matt? Is this Apu? Are you like... Every guy, every person in it looks like they work... They're a roofer. Roofer. Oh, okay. They have beards. They have a good beard selection? Nah. Not really. But we did have one that we were kind of surprised by. Sam Adams. Sam Adams. Light IPA. They didn't even have like a fiddlehead or like a... Yeah, they have fiddlehead, but we've had that before. Oh, okay. And they have switchback, which, ugh. Do they have frost, which is right down the road? No! That's a thing we were like, what?! We were expecting to see frost, but... Anyways. Okay. It's worth going to. Matt is stepping aside for a second. Because he's got to pee. So, Glo, this is one of Baby Carl's questions, which the writer called simple yet profound, referring to a cow. Why does it say moo? That's a simple question. Is that a profound question? That's a simple question. That's all the cow knows how to say. But is it a profound question? We'll see. Hmm. You can start talking about the vocal chords and why would it then create the sound moo and all that other stuff. Maybe that would be profound. But other than that, no. Why would... Here's another one of Baby Crawl's questions. Again, this is a toddler, so I don't know if a toddler could say this question. So I think the character needs some work. We don't have any snow, but it's December. What's up with that? Global change? Global climate change? I'm not asking you for the answer. I'm asking you to evaluate the quality of these questions. Yeah, yeah, I got it. This is our podcast, Rival Glow. You've got to get into anime and trash this kid, or this guy who thinks he's a kid. But then I see he's interviewing kids, so I figured that's why he's keeping it on that level. No, he's not though, because he's also interviewing adults. Yeah. And he's asking people, like, why does a cow say moo? Yes. Okay. And that would be kind of interesting to find out what an adult's response would be. Kids kind of almost know what it, kind of expect it's going to be some, I don't know. Do you think we should interview kids on this show? Do you have any kids you can round up? I don't have any kids. We don't have like a stable of children we could just pull on here. No, let's see. Who can we interview for this? I don't think we need anyone. I think, because then they'd have to come here. That's a weird thing. They see our setup. They're like, what is this thing that you're doing? I don't know. Podcast rival. We'll plug him one more time, because not really a rival. I don't think we have anything to worry about. I don't think so. It's called Baby Carl's Happy Apocalypse. If you're curious about this dude pretending to be a toddler interviewing adults about climate change. No, we're just evaluating the quality of this gentleman's questions. All right, take a break. Got some local Vermont hip-hop. The artist is Wool C. The song is Just Called. I'm going to make a strawberry tart. I'm going to make a strawberry tart. I'm going to make a strawberry tart. I'm going to make a strawberry tart. I'm going to make a strawberry tart. I'm going to make a strawberry tart. I'm going to make a strawberry tart. I'm going to make a strawberry tart. I'm going to make a strawberry tart. I'm going to make a strawberry tart. I'm going to make a strawberry tart. I'm not sure if I can do it, but I'll try my best. I'm not sure if I can do it, but I'll try my best. I'm not sure if I can do it, but I'll try my best. I'm not sure if I can do it, but I'll try my best. I'm not sure if I can do it, but I'll try my best. I'm not sure if I can do it, but I'll try my best. I'm going to make a hole in the center of the cake. I'm going to make a hole in the center of the cake. I'm going to make a hole in the center of the cake. I'm going to make a hole in the center of the cake. I'm going to make a hole in the center of the cake. It's your birthday, happy birthday Happy birthday, happy birthday I just called to say I love you I just called to say how much I care I just called to say I love you And there's no bottom I can't fall in What do you got? My twat suppositories Okay Whoa I think that was like my favorite British punk rock band The twat suppositories It's what happens when you're... You know, you think being... Go on Should we save this for the show? We are recording, so like, uh, being a thinner woman, you don't produce as much as much estrogen as a obese fat woman. Fat produces... Redundant. Yeah, I like to emphasize. And therefore, and I never knew this and no one ever told me. We never had it in high school, that's for sure. That your vagina dries up when you don't have as much, especially since I'm missing an ovary as well, so. Yeah, we haven't been able to find that thing. Put up any signs? Put up an ovary? Lost. Lost. Missing one ovary. Have you tried Front Porch Forum? Like. You're kidding So, anyway, I have to... What's the word I'm looking for? Lube? Well, yeah, I have to... yeah But because I already had cancer They won't let me have like hormonal cream Right, which I don't blame them And I still don't think it had anything to do with my body but more with and I don't even know if I want to our stove. Our stove has a lot of EMFs that come off on the left. And you know what, that's where my over that's the ovary that's now gone. So anyway, go ahead. Yeah, anyway, so yeah, we got to tear that sucker out eventually. But I just wish not my ovary. But, but, uh, Yeah, so for women out there who've never been told by their mothers there's a thing called vaginal atrophy and now it's been called something else because once again that's not politically correct. Tell me how, why would that offend anybody to say vaginal atrophy? I don't know, because I think that we want to give it a nicer name? I don't know, because I don't have a vagina, and I don't really have any say in it Because it sounds like it's not natural, but it is natural To dry up? Yeah, to atrophy Yeah, like all our other parts atrophy somewhat, except boobs Do they get better? No, they just get longer or juicier I mean, not mine, of course. Can I ask you a question about your, um, what would you call it? Your twat suppository? Uh-huh. Um, is it like an Alka-Seltzer tablet? Oh, God Almighty. What are you, you want to kill me? I don't know. You know how that would kill? First of all, vaginal atrophy. I had blood coming, you know, that's how bad it is. Okay. I mean, it feels like some shards of glass are up your twat. So it's pretty bad, it's pretty, you know, it's there. Anyway, no, these repositories are only made out of coconut oil and vitamin E. That's it. That's it. Is it soothing? It's very soothing. Oh, okay. Can you eat them? Can I cook with them? Can I use them in the shrimp? I'm making a curry, I don't have any coconut milk. Can I borrow your twosomepossessories? Please, yeah. But I also use estradiol. That's allowed. I'm allowed to have that, which is every three days. So sometimes after I shave, I put on a lotion that feels very cooling. Uh-huh. Is it the same for you? Same sensation that you had. You don't want cooling up your vagina. No? No. I don't know. There's enough already there. It's cool enough, Danielle. It's cool enough. It's a cool place. Matt, I think I might need another bourbon after that. You're not really going to leave that on the shower, are you? I can cut it off if you want me to. It doesn't bother me. Well, I think it's, you know, girls should know what's ahead for them. You didn't say anything offensive? No, if anything, it's very informative. Nobody told me about this. I'm on the toilet one day and I swear to God, I feel like, what is this pain? And then you see a little bit of blood on your toilet paper and you feel like there's glass up your vagina. And nobody ever told me this. Not one, not even a gynecologist, doctor, nobody, mother, forget mother. I mean, mothers don't tell you that. They're worrying more about you getting pregnant in the first place. Well, they're dealing with the problems at hand. Yeah, which is puberty. And maybe your mother didn't know at that time, right? Yeah, maybe she didn't understand what was happening to her because nobody told her. Yeah, my mom was not thin, but I mean, she was- Not fat obese. Exactly. For emphasis. We're back. Alright. It's time for America's favorite segment. We run down the worst people in Vermont. The ne'er-do-wells. Oh, I was gonna use that one. Oh, come on. I had one today. The... God. Okay, go ahead. Scallywags? Scallywags is good. We've used it too many times. Oh, ne'er-do-well. You just said that. We've had that already. It's time for the ne'er-do-well map. The scumbag map. All right, this one's not a scumbag. I just found this story interesting that a teenager, a 19-year-old. So let's be clear. It's an old teen. It's not a 13-year-old. Big difference, right? Right. hit two trees in a car accident. Usually you hit one tree and that's the end. But this person, again, not a scumbag, maybe this person just lost control, people make mistakes, hit a tree stump on West Street in Proctor, Vermont, went airborne. The car? Yes, yes. At first I thought it was the teen. I was like, oh my god, how did they write that? So the car went airborne after hitting a tree. Yeah, he hit turbo and then the car struck another tree landing on its roof. So he hit a stump, flew in the air, hit another tree, flipped over on the roof. And he lived to tell about it. Yeah, he's in a medical center with non-life threatening injuries. Which makes me think he was intoxicated. That's just, okay. Cuz usually if you're if you're drunk you're so loose you don't like stiffen up in the car, right? That's right Yeah, yeah, that's what they say. Yeah my back Alleged well, I don't know. Yeah, I don't even say his name so it's fine okay, but uh, I just thought it was interesting that like they described the Trajectory of the actually hear that but you know two trees in one shot good trees were okay Well, the first one was a stump, so we don't need to worry about that one. So that stump is like, ha-ha. Gotcha. You try to cut me down, I'm still wrecking shit out here. I'm still causing problems. The other tree, we don't know. Can you imagine if he ended up landing on the top of the tree? Oh, just like in the tree? Yeah. Like, just now you live your life in the tree? You can never get down. Yeah, that'd be wild, Glo. We saw a lot of those kind of tree houses. Well, I did, on our drive today, and I started realizing they're not tree houses. They are places for hunters to sit there and wait for a deer to come by. That's what they are. They're murder houses. Yeah. Murder huts. Murder huts. No one out murders the hut. No running water or anything. True. A house is not a home without running water. It's gotta happen. But a hut is a hut with murder. Okay, so we're gonna look at a couple of police officers getting disbarred, disbanded, decertified, whatever. So an ex-captain in Caledonia has been banned from police work in Vermont, accused of trading money for sex and nude photos from women he encountered while on duty. So he said, I'll let you out of this speeding ticket. If you bury your breasts or if you suck my cock. Well, we don't want to go that far. You probably start with one and end with the other. I mean, it depends on the severity of the violation, right? Like, if it's a speeding ticket, it's like, you know. OK, breasts are enough. I mean, or, you know, but if you start. I'm just wearing a red light. On that, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, you know, maybe you need to, uh. Or you weave in the road, you know, you back and forth. Oh, have you been drinking, ma'am? Oh, then it doesn't matter because she won't remember Murder? Do you want the breathalyzer or do you want... Or murder? What do you get for murder? You want for murder? Murder is definitely anal, right? Oh, God Oh, my God These guys just let people go like, oh, murder, well... I don't know about your anus, but... Are you talking about the planet or what are we talking about here? Because I know a lot about it I did a fifth grade report On your sphincter muscles? No, Uranus! Oh, Uranus! Actually, I did Saturn. So, Glo, you're going to ask me about Uranus? No, I mean, it's like, I just don't get it. I mean... Why do people like that? Yeah. Actually, I've never done it, like, either way. But, I don't know. I think it's... I feel like it's more like a taboo kind of thing. Well, yeah, definitely that. But it's also, I mean, I mean, maybe a control kind of thing. Yeah. Oh, oh, oh, I'm only one time. I will not tell the story. I'll say this. Hey, watch that. I don't know. But also, I'm not judging. Whatever, man, like it's like I don't kink shame. If that's your thing, do your thing. Yeah. Yeah, I don't care. Exactly. 30% of our listeners have a butt plug in right now. Really? I'm just joking. I don't know. That would be uncomfortable. So this cop. Wouldn't it want to make it feel like you got a shit? Again, I've never experienced it. Like, well, you're projecting all these feelings on people. Like, I mean, I don't, again, this is not my world, but those things sell, right? Like there's companies that sell those things. They're in business. So there's stores devoted to these kinds of things. Vibrating butt plugs. Underwear you can eat. I think that's like... We talked about that. That's more of a novel taste. Yeah, that's bad taste. Let's just do our thing and then we can have some nice beef jerky or something. Let's not do that. Or a fruit roll-up. Which is pretty much the same thing. So this cop... I don't even know what to say, Matt. This guy's a scumbag. He contacted women to try to get them to send him stuff, you know, to be more lenient and stuff. He's a scumbag. This guy's not a cop. He's a criminal. He is. He's a criminal. Who became a cop. Yeah. Moving on. Another cop. Another cop. So this one's interesting because this is a cop who got stripped of his certification. I guess it's something I don't normally think about, that cops need certification. And maybe they need to re-up every couple years. I think they do. It makes sense. I just never thought about it. You don't think about it, right? Ice-T never talks about it on Law & Order. So this guy was accused of voyeurism. A window peeper. Well. Not so much? Well, there's other ways of doing it these days. Tell us, Matt. Well, I don't know. I think you were getting ready to tell us. So, I don't know if Matt had some innovative window peeping skills. So, this guy was like, he was sending nudes, he was trying to find where he was doing, sending unsolicited photos, improper conduct. So he might have just like, I think this is the kind of guy who like just kind of shows up places and maybe not, maybe he's like, I'm not sure. I don't know if you have more details. No, I think that's it. I think he's got some sort of, this guy had no business being a cop. Let me, you know, but he's really strange. Sorry, go ahead. No, go ahead. So here's the kicker, Glo. He, all this stuff, but they didn't have enough evidence to charge him. So he was never actually convicted of any of this, but Sarah George, who... God. Sarah George is always followed by, oh God. And this one I think she got it right. So she sent a Brady letter, which essentially is saying... She writes a letter to the police department saying, I will not consider any of this cop's testimony, reports, etc. as credible evidence. So nothing this person ever does will be considered credible because he's lost so much credibility. So they're like, well basically you're useless because you can't convict anyone, so we gotta let you go. And he's gone. This is in Essex. So does he get a job in Colchester tomorrow? He's already working for the state. Yeah, I'm curious how that works like I wonder if it's like obviously they could Google his name and see it but do they choose not to they just look at his like personnel record and say no convictions okay yeah you know I don't know how that actually works for them I'm guessing whatever the rule is it works in the cops favor all right Matt woman found dead in Washington Vermont now they say she was strangled yeah then I think this has been going on for a while October yeah Her family, I think originally they weren't sure how she died, and now they're saying she was strangled. But her family was really trying to get answers on this, like really what happened to her, but nobody really knows. Let's take a step back and think about like... Okay, so here's the body. Are there red hand marks around her neck? And they're like, I don't know what it was. I don't know, maybe she had a rash. Looks like she had a rash, I don't know. Y'all been watching these homicide, like, forensics files, right? Y'all must be, like, amateur detectives by now. Sometimes they don't get it at first. Sometimes they don't see the marks. Yeah. Or, you know, what happens to the spine, or whatever happens, you know, when somebody strangles. So a lot of times they miss that. Really? On the shows, yeah. They do it all the time, right? Yeah, but I think the ones we've been watching lately are more, you know, they know to look for bruises, collapsed, a socket, you know that kind of thing. The eyeballs do certain things when somebody's being strangled. Because, yeah, because you break, your blood vessels break out as you're being strangled, so there's that, I forget what it's called, but yeah. There's all kinds of signs to let someone know that you've been strangled, so it's kind of gotten easier, I think, the forensic science stuff. But I think a lot of this depends on how long the body's been there. Exactly. Like, how could you tell if it's been out there rotting away for months? Well, they know when she was reported missing and when they found her, so there's a certain timeline, but the story doesn't say anything about that. And the strangling. Okay, I've only watched a few of these D-Line shows. You've only done a couple stranglings? I'm sorry, my body count is very low, but according to these shows, as far as I understand, if you strangle someone, that is most likely someone that you know. Right. It's a very personal killing. Yeah. You're so angry, you just... There's not a lot of serial killer stranglers, or without theater, you know, like... Tying them up. You know, all that stuff. People just go kill somebody, you know, strangle them. Yeah, it's usually a personal thing. Okay, I can see where your mind's going. Well, I'm thinking like serial killer theater. I'm like, I feel like we have a one-man show on our hands here, but yeah. Okay, well, that's, anyway, at least they have that closure. Does that help the families, I guess? Well, they don't know who did it. Right. So it hasn't closed yet, but they know how she died. It's gotta be someone in the community, right? It's not a big community. I mean, they probably do know. They know. They probably have a really short list of suspects. I can almost guarantee you they already know. It was Mike. It was definitely Mike. They know it's Mike. It's nobody except Mike. I remember the day after she went missing, Mike was like, God, my hand's hurt. Like, I got arthritis. Right, right. All right, moving on. A man arrested in Burlington after allegedly, I'm sorry, what was it? Allegedly brandishing a knife. You got pictures of this guy brandishing a knife. Well, I guess a photo of a man holding a knife is not the same photo as a man brandishing. He's just going, oh, I didn't know I had that in my pocket. Hey, whose knife is this? Maybe that was what he was saying, right? I found this knife. Oh my god. So the police had him stand out for over two hours, closed a couple streets. I mean, he's got mental health issues. Yeah, he cut off his pants and was walking around in, what, 30 degree weather. In just his underwear? Yeah. Now, OK. So why would he have to cut off the pants? Why couldn't he just pull them off? Well, you ask him. He's the crazy one, not me. Isn't it more dangerous to cut off your pants than just take them off? Like you can really slice something vital. I'm not trying to be gross. I mean, like, even like a major artery in your leg, right? I mean, I would think so. Yeah. Well, they eventually brought them. They were, the cops were really nice. And they kill them, like in a lot of cities, they just kill them. He's a white guy, right? Yeah, he's a white guy. And, uh, but they hit, they got him with a beanbag shotgun. Which is one of those things I want to get besides you talking. Did you know that? Which reminds me, my birthday is coming up. Beanbag gun, top of the list. Check out my Amazon wishlist. Can you actually buy those? I don't know, but... Probably, right? A beanbag shotgun? I mean, we talked about me getting a gun. Yeah, yeah. So you want a beanbag shotgun? Well, you know... So some clown breaks in? You just shoot him with a beanbag? No, in case another person starts robbing or... No, I don't want you to have a gun for that, because I want you to kill that MF. Yeah, you need a real gun for that. Beanbag shotgun sounds so fun, but I bet it hurts like hell. Yeah. But doesn't kill you. Right. Or the tasers are even worse, I think. They always miss with the tasers. Yeah. Or they think the taser is their gun and they're like, oh, which one's which? And you have to be close by, I think, right? I can't do it out the window. Well, probably with a beanbag shotgun, you gotta be close, too. I don't know. Well, let's see. Shotguns aren't made for a lot of distance. Our driveway is about 20 feet wide. Yeah, you probably wouldn't hit anything. You need a sniper rifle. Yeah. Take him out silently. This burglary crew just slowly falls. So yeah, they got this guy after he cut off his pants. After the guy cuts off his pants, the cops must have been like, OK, let's wrap this one up. Literally. We're not going to kill this guy. What a move, though. If you rob a bank and you're in the midst of getting caught, cut off your pants. I mean, why not? That crazy. How about you just pull your pants down? Well... Then you trip yourself all over the place, so you can't do that. I think cutting them off shows a level of craziness, though. Yeah, that's true. And what were his pants that you can just cut them off? They weren't Carhartt's, that's for sure. It would have taken a long time. Yeah, it's like cutting through canvas. And that's why you should buy Carhartts. They're softer than leather, but softer than silk. All right, move on from that. This next story, I can't get. The standoff in Montpelier. I can't either. Skip it. Skip it. Sounds good to me. There was a standoff in Montpelier. Moving on. Chronic car thieves at Decker Towers. We're back to Decker Towers. We talked about them. We've never left, we love Decker Towers. We wanna live there. I think after that last story last week, they were like, oh, let's look at Decker Towers. The cops were like, oh yeah, maybe we should go there. And they found a couple of car thieves. Love the picture. Wait a minute. Caitlin. Is this a woman or a man? It is a woman. Kaitlin, her name is, spelled in this 77 different way to spell Kaitlin. Kaitlin's like, how many letters can I use to spell the word Kaitlin? They're like, well, normally it's five or six. No, I'm using eight. So yeah, she, series of car thefts. She's found sleeping in the laundry room at Decker Tower. It's probably a peaceful place. Nice. I would write her right on top of the, you know. The dryer? Dryer, he's warm, like a cat, with lint. He also got Tyrone Pinder. Yeah, Tyrone, I guess he's an angry guy. He was not pose, he was, yeah, he was. Says he's described as a serial trespasser and a car thief with a history of violence. Police say it took pepper spray to subdue Pinder. And Sarah George says, he'll be on the streets tomorrow. Right. We'll even give him pepper spray to go out on the streets. We're going to give him some safety goggles to block the pepper spray, because we don't love that. Thanks, Sarah. Moving on to Topsom. It's Topsom, right? I looked this one up. It's not Top-sham, it's Topsom. Topsom. Police look into a suspicious vehicle. This dude, I think, stole a bunch of tools. He doesn't say. Yeah, so they're looking for a pickup truck and a white pickup truck in Topsom So where is Topsom? I'm gonna guess it's East Guilford Off the top of my head. I don't know Alright, well, I'm gonna look it up. Yes. Okay. I think as long as you're done with your stocks It is after four Are you writing an email to a? What are you actually doing over there? Uh, let's see... Well, there's obviously nothing around it because there's nothing around on the map. Okay. So it's one of those little towns that... There's not much. It's between Barrie and New Barrie. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Not New Barrie, but Barrie South. Where's New Barrie? I don't even know where New Barrie is. No, but I don't know about New Barrie, but I knew it was south of Barrie along that corridor. Route 12? Is it route 12? I don't know. Oh no, that's the one that comes out of Barrie and it goes through Orange, Vermont, where they still have the barns that say, that says, take back Vermont. Right. What does that mean? What does that slogan mean? That was for the gay marriage or gay, the gay, the gay, the union, because we couldn't get marriage passed, so Massachusetts had to do it for us. But we did get past the civil unions. They were recognized and Take Back Vermont is anti that. Right, of course. So if you ever see an old barn, at this point they're probably already dilapidated. Or painted over. Yeah, they're probably. No, I've seen them. Yeah, so that's what that means. Old barn, Take Back Vermont, John Clark sign in the yard. I'm like, all right, not stopping at that place for help. So this town is between like Barrie and Okay, where's the World's Fair? Tumbridge? Yeah Yeah, it's kind of going down toward Tumbridge. Okay, I think we zeroed it in pretty close Tumbridge it's north of East Corinth. Oh my god, that's even getting worse Anyway, let's move on. We're moving on. Oh, another scumbag. Uh, Jim Carroll, Democrat out of Bennington, arrested for DUI. Pulled over for a loud muffler. Fix your car, Jim. If you're driving around with a loud muffler, you're asking to get stopped, right? But he was also drunk. Yeah, but maybe the cop didn't know that, or he might have suspected it. He's driving an EV. Dude's not getting caught, right? EV? Electric vehicle? Of course. There's more to the story, and there's a bunch of people going back and forth about it. Jim Carroll, driving drunk. Take an Uber, call a cab. You're elected representative. Also, I wonder how drunk he was. He was 60-something years old. Was it just a little bit over, or were you like... Really hammered. Yeah, we will never know that probably always want to know that I think it makes a difference Yeah, cuz if it's a little bit you're like, okay Like you really judged it Maybe you kind of made you like a California stop at a stop sign and cops like boo-boo, you know But are you swerving? You know, I mean, they're different but a cop just got lucky stopped you for no reason. Yeah Black or something, you know, yeah, but but if you're point one six or something you know that's okay you belong in prison right well maybe not all right this next one I don't agree with but I'll let y'all just oh come on we talked about this I don't agree with it so put it on air just for glow because it really really does exist let's say what it is first before we get into it. Okay. Am I the one? Dowsing? Dowsing, also called water witches, uses a twig, something that has a V to it. Like a Y shaped twig? Yep. Better describe than. Yeah. Then and when you go over water or whatever it is that you're for, it really does tip. It does. And certain people, yes, not with everybody. No, you got to have that. Yeah, you got to have something. Yeah, it there's a it there is something so weird and natural about it, but only certain people can do it. And when you experience it with somebody who does have that gift, and you can feel it through your hands, and you can feel the stupid rod like trying to fly up instead of down, you know, where you can then understand that, yeah, there really is something, but, you know, like I said, it's not everybody who can do it. I couldn't. No, I mean, I could after maybe the next hour or two, and then it wore off. It's almost like this person infused me with whatever he had. Okay, I know, it sounds even more a little quirky. This story's about a con man who's doing this, right? and then they started a cult? Like, am I wrong about this? No, that's what the story's about. I know, was that a cult? Yeah, I don't know. I think a lot of that is, I think it's all in your mind, Glo. Like, I think that you feel like it's your... When this thing's like trying to fly up out of your hands and you're holding onto this thing, I mean, no. But you're a woman of science. Yes. Why would a Y-shaped stick do that? You know, there's a lot of things about our bodies that we don't know. That's true. Right? And I really feel like, I remember one time I was with this woman and there's a Chinese type of whatever, there's an energy down here like, you know, No. And it's not the chakras. It's something else. Who? You always bring up the chakras, Matt. It's not the chakras. It's got something to do with the vagina. It's called Big Twa Energy, we've discussed it. But I felt that, I mean, for a day or two, I felt this enormous amount of energy. And I know it kind of like came from her. And there is, oh, I wish I could remember the name. I'm so rusty on all this, you know, new age stuff. You don't have to be perfect, we're off the cuff. But there is certain things that you can't explain and why some people can do it and others can't. I don't know. But yeah, I went to dowsing school out there where whatever. You got your BA. I'm a dowser, son of a dowser. And I think I've said before that the reason why the dowsers decided to move to Vermont in Danville as their headquarters is because of all the places they looked at they felt that Vermont was going to be the safest of the all the 50 states to be at because of such things as natural stuff yeah natural disasters such as hurricanes earthquakes, you know all that stuff. So I used to go to what college is that? same? Lindenville? Lindenville College every year they have the dowsing convention. Yeah. Linden State and it's for a week and I must have done it like about five years in a row and you go to all the like these different you know talks every hour. I don't want to brag but I could do it. Are you a dowser? It worked for me when I did it. See, there are certain people who... It just was really weird. I was holding it like this and it started bending down. And I'm not a believer. It was just really weird. Yeah, there is something to it. Don't I mean, and look, it's taken place in Vermont since the 1700s. So it's got to be real, right? I know, but... Okay, I guess I need to like be around and maybe I need to go to dowsing class. I need to get like converted. I know. Let's see if the dowsing convention is still happening. I don't want to go to the conference. I want to go like, our session is on like holding the stick technique. You know, like what can they possibly be talking about these conferences? You know what I mean? Well, some are, a lot of them are actually former military type people, believe it or not. I'll fit in great. Well, it's not just dowsing. They talk about, oh gosh, what's all the other stuff that they talk about? There's different things, okay, like a tarot. No, no, no, no. Runes. No, no, no, no, no. You're not selling me like that. Okay, oh. You're going the opposite direction. She yells runes as if it's like, oh, I know runes, you love runes. Honey, you're going the wrong way. That's interpreted to mean something now? But, oh gosh, I wish I could remember some of the subjects, I mean, you had your choice to go to whatever, but. Okay, okay, like a feng shui. Okay, I think there is something to it though. I understand what you're saying, I understand the energy exists that we can't see. But I've never experienced it, so it's hard for me to believe it. That's why you need to come and experience it. I mean, you need to know what it's- I wanna go with an old dowser out in the field. Let me hold the stick and let me feel it I don't want to go to some conference where like I might be influenced by like Hundreds of people in a room who are already bought in you know, I don't want that effect I want like just me and the old dowser and it's either there it is there is not there And then he's gonna say we're doing it, right? You're like, he's gonna have a reason why if it doesn't work. He's got cuz not everybody can do it Yeah, you know that because you're a doubter not a dowser. Yeah That's good. I like that Put in your conference next year All right, we're moving on. I appreciate you, Matt, you're always bringing up the consistent show topics. Also, if you're called a water witch, I don't know, maybe you're not on the right side of science. All right, moving on. New York Times, it's going to get a lot more expensive to move a pet on an airplane. The company that does it is raising their prices triple or quadruple times. Whoa. Yeah. Why? Because they fucking can They're the ones that do it And if you want to ship your pet, it's going to cost you 4,000 instead of 1,200 So wait a minute, they're the only ones? Pretty much So, hey Matt, here's an opportunity, right? We could ship animals, even ones that don't want to be shipped We've got plenty of them The homeless you're talking about? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no want to be, and I would rather take a ship with my dog. A ship? It would take me longer. I don't care. But if it would make, because I would be in so much agony wondering what's happening to my dog, or anything. I don't care. Can you buy them a plane ticket, which makes it easier? Would that be cheaper? Would be cheaper. But what if it's a Great Dane? Well, you could have him if he sits. Please learn one command. Sit! You know, I'd rather have a great day than some other passengers. Our friends are going to be going through this. They're moving across the country. And they've got two dogs. No, they're not driving. They're going to ship their vehicles. That's our goddaughters. I know. Why don't they hire us? We'll just drive cross country. Should we hire them? See, they're leaving next month. Vote to sign up for a Cannonball Run-style zany comedy for you and Matt. Just drive across the country with a couple of dogs. We're booked up in March, I don't think we can do that. That's true, we are, unfortunately. We could do the Cannonball thing, but no. I'm just saying, like, okay, like, airlines allow babies. Like, is a crying baby worse than a well-behaved chihuahua? No. I think you can buy them a seat as long as they have, like, a carrier. But, like, the big ones, they can't. I don't know how my friend does it. He does. He actually travels with his poodle all the time. How big is the poodle? It's a standard. It's a big poodle. It's not one of those little, you know, miniature things. Just stick in a teacup. I think she was looking at you. She was holding up her fingers. Yeah, I got it. But I don't know how he does it. I'd like to know. But yeah. And he says he doesn't have to buy an extra seat and he can somehow stuff him up. No, he can't possibly do that. He's gotta be. You gotta buy a seat. You gotta be able to buy a seat. Which, you know, a lot of obese people should also be buying an extra seat. Well, I think they make them now. They really? Yeah, but it's not the cutoff it should be. There's people who are not buying an extra seat who should be buying an extra seat. Oh my gosh. Sometimes I see these people and I'm like, please, please, let it not be me. Well, we had a flight from Sarasota to Charlotte. The flight was half empty. Gloria and I were sitting in a row, and there was a person next to us. Why? But she didn't have enough sense, she was young, to go and sit in the back of the fucking plane when there wasn't anybody else. I mean, she didn't bother us, but I might have gotten up to go use the bathroom if she hadn't been sitting there. Well, you should tell her, like, hey, the plane's pretty empty, do you want to move? The flight attendant? I told the guy behind us, oh, cause he was large. He said, would you like to do your own row? Yeah, there's plenty of them. He's like, yes I would. Anyway. So if you, if you travel with pets, it's going to get a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot more expensive. This is great. I mean, yeah, I'd rather drive before I do that. I swear. I mean, I hate driving as much as you know, but I would, I don't know. It's tough to know that your dog is, I don't know, is being stalked. Maybe they love it. Okay, yeah. You give them a couple of sleeping pills and they might get through the whole thing. A little bit of a propofil or whatever. There's like doggy knockout, a little time travel. A Mickey, a doggy Mickey. A little Mickey. It's a little Mickey and they're farmers only, and they wake up, they're somewhere else, they're like whoa. It's like Wizard of Oz. Last story. Glow, what's up with your boy? Boby, the Portuguese Mastiff, has been stripped of his record as the world's oldest ever dog. That dog does not look 35 years old. There's not been such shenanigans since... I'm like completely confused here. The 1918 Chicago White Sox, is that right? Black Sox. Black Sox. They were the White Sox, but they're called the Black Sox. I didn't know, first of all, there was such a thing as a Portuguese Mastiff. Well... They're large. Portuguese don't like their dogs so big. It's not that big, actually. I know, because... It's a Portuguese Mastiff. They're tiny. Okay, I got it. I got it. It's like, we're small people, so mastiffs are also going to be smaller than the average. Because a mastiff does not look this small. Anybody knows that. No. Just a name. Mastiff. Doesn't that like, inspire thoughts of this massive animal? Yes, but the dog's name, Bobi, does not. Yeah, no. So, wait. So somebody's outlived this dog? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, they just, there's some controversy over some photos of Bobby. Are they saying he's not that old? They claim he was 31 and 5 months years old. 31. That's a long time for a dog. He died in October, so we're speaking ill of the dead. But we're going to. Sorry, Bobby. Hopefully you don't understand English. So, the previous record holder, Bluey, an Australian cattle dog, died at age 29. So this dog is like 2 full years older than Bluey. A cattle dog. You know, you expect a cattle dog. It can live longer than... So Bowie was crowned, questions were raised, a lot of vet experts around the world were like, no, no, no, there's no way this dog is that old. There's no way. We call it shenanigans. Of the 18,000 members of Veterinary Voices, not a single one believed Bobby was actually 31 years old. So who claimed he was 31? His owner! His owner! Bobby's not signing up, he's the victim here. You know, they lose track of time there. How long have we been playing cards? Has it been three years? I think it had to do with pictures of the dog. That the guy showed pictures of this dog, but at some point, this dog has white paws, and he didn't have those before. But 31 years old, and he doesn't look anywhere near that. No, no. And a mastiff. You can't trick the internet. The internet is undefeated. It is. And they try to trick the internet. And I'm sorry, Bobie. You look like a cute dog. Sorry you passed. You have no record, or you're not 31. Your name will live in infamy as a cautionary tale of don't try to fool the Guinness World Records with your bullshit dog titles. Hm, this town sounds interesting, though. What sound is that? Conquerors. What does that mean? Conquerors. Conquerors? Conquerors sounds like a village in central Portugal. Does that mean it has been conquered or it is full of conquerors? Both. Yeah. Because that's how it works. We're all conquerors. If you think about it, we all came from... Conquered or conquerors. Yeah. We're all both, I guess, right? I mean, some are closer to our conquerorist ancestry than others, but yeah. I mean, we're all conquerors. I mean, how many people have stayed in one little tiny village in the same exact spot? Actually, never mind, Portugal. I'm not saying we're conquerors or we're conquered. Right. It could be the other. You'd be like, oh shit, here come the Vikings. Yeah. And they come and like, okay, now my baby is a Viking baby. And I think most of Europe is both. Yeah, yeah. You've been not only conquered, but you've also been the conquerors. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I mean, why were my godparents over six feet tall? And they came from the same village as my parents and we're all like little shrimps. Probably a little bit of Nordic blood infused in there somehow. Yeah, could be, you know. Are they Moors? The Moors? Oh, God, no. You said that. It really. I felt like you had like your inner Portuguese spirit came out like, fuck the Moors! That was such a quick reaction. Wow, that was great. Yeah, that's a very old school European vibe, I'm sure. Yeah, fuck the Moors. They're invaders, right? Well, yes, they were for 400 years. I'm sure the Moors are like, fuck the Christians. It works both ways. Yeah, exactly. No, I'm guessing Germanic. This is the northern part of Portugal. Yeah. So the Moors didn't get... I mean, they did, but they didn't quite get up that far north. They stayed in the south more. Right. That makes sense. Where it was nice and warm and tropical. Are you already out of here? I thought I left it in 5 minutes ago. Peace! Bye bye. And then, the end. All life on Earth as we know it will be totally destroyed and the Earth itself will be blown out of its orbit. This of course is a situation we hope will never come to pass. 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