What's up, Vermont? On this week's show, we recap our Eclipse experience, talk about how we're losing our Weird, we talk about some Wheeler Park shadiness, Matt's suggestion to weaponize the tussock moth cocoon, how Keisha Rom is a hippie hypocrite, how we need drugs in cooking measurement form, Matt's connection to our skunk bag map, and so much more. Welcome to Vermont Ketchup with Matt, I'm Matt, Glow, I'm Glow, and I'm Adam. We are a weekly rundown of everything happening in the Green Mountain State happy national licorice day Liquor sky liquorice girl. Oh, I love it. Let me to I've never seen either of you eat a single piece of licorice. Not that's not the stuff you're thinking is Gotta go to the uppity uppity licorice Twizzlers isn't licorice. Well, I mean, that doesn't count, right? We're talking about black licorice. Basic. Is there any more? Well, yeah, but if you're talking about the Twizzlers, only now they're black instead of red, that's not real licorice. But you can get like... It's not Twizzlers, but it looks like a Twizzler kind of thing. It's like a chewy, kind of little... It's like a shorter, chewy thing. Am I... No, I think you're right. Well, what's the ingredients? Licorice, sugar, I don't know what the fuck makes it rubbery, I don't know, what is licorice? Let's start there. Well, the panda brand that comes from Switzerland of all places, not China, but... Oh, because of the panda? It might be coming from China now. What's that got to do with... Is it black and white? Um, no. Oh, okay, well, I'm out of ideas. Anyway, it's a cute and it's going extinct. Is, let's see, it's wheat, molasses, anise, I think. Ah, that's the secret ingredient, yeah. Is that how you say it? I don't know if it's anise or... It's probably not that. I'm sure that's not how to say it. Anise? Anise? Anisette? Anisette? That's the drink. And maybe fennel. No, no, no, no. I wouldn't have fennel. But there is an actual root called licorice that you could make a tincture from. So, I mean, it's also medicinal. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, people do use it that way. For what? Licorice, licorice. Inflammation? And let's see, what was it for? The only thing, I don't think I ate it for any reason other than I just liked it a lot. I mean, because of the taste of it. And because I think it's the closest what real licorice is made of, instead of just that high fructose corn syrup or whatever it is that comes in those twizzers. It doesn't have to be Twizzler. Twizzlers. Looking at how to pronounce the name of this spice and plant, two different ways of pronouncing it, not three. The two main ones are in British English. It is said as anise. Anise. Emphasis on the second syllable in American English. however, it is normally said as NS, NS, so say it also, a poet said. Okay, very smooth talking. Okay, so diphthongs where you want to emphasize the syllable. Right. Are you a licorice? Yeah, I mean, I even like Sambuca. Oh, you do? I love it. Yeah, me too. One time my wife and I got stuck in a Moscow hotel room, and she was bringing Sambuca to her co-workers, and like limoncello? Because we were leaving Italy, and I was like, nope, no you're not. We're stuck here. You're bringing them? Boy, getting drunk on Sambuca. Whoa, that's some sugar, isn't it? Well, yeah, it's fine. Best ice cream I ever had was black tar licorice ice cream. From where? It was in Florida. My friend, Tom Hoffman, worked at this place called the Chocolate House, I think it was. And he used to make me stuff with licorice ice cream. It was black. It was so good. I've never seen it since. I think it's not popular. Obvious. I don't think Ben & Jerry's ever made it. I think it's weird to have a room of three people and all of them like licorice. I think that's not the case. I think mostly it's zero to one. Exactly. Or zero to ten. I don't know. That math ain't mathin'. Alright, moving on. Speaking of dark things, Did you guys hear there was an eclipse last Monday? I thought I heard something. They sure got cold. Yeah. What was your eclipse experience? Because I was just in the backyard. Well, we were pet sitting in a neighborhood that we also know other people we pet sit for a really nice family. And anyway, they invited us over to be with their family in their driveway, just around the corner. You can come to the driveway, you can't come inside. No, why would I go inside? It's the Eclipse. But anyway, and it was a beautiful day. Yeah, it was a great day. Yeah, they had chairs set up, they had beer and snacks and stuff. It was fun. I get it though, I was a little bored until about... What time did you get there? We were there before it started, well, right when it started. No, no, no, it was about, it was already 10 minutes in. What time do you think it started? Like 2? I think it was supposed to be like 2.10. 2.10? That's way too early. See? I mean, hey! You don't show up at the party right when it starts. We're old. We showed up for happy hour. Walk outside and it's 3.10. But when it got dark and it turned cold, that was pretty cool. Wasn't it crazy how like, you're like, oh, there's like 10% of the sun and it was still kind of like sunny? And I was like, oh, 5% of the sun, still kind of sunny, then like zero, like, oh my god, now it's nighttime, it's cold. I didn't realize that like 5 to 7% of the sun was so sunny. Like, it's so powerful. I was very surprised by that. You mean like that you could see it around the moon? No, just that it was so sunny when there was only 5% of the sun left. Like the sun's almost totally covered, but still it just seems like an overcast day. Yeah. And then once it got to zero, it was like, boom, nighttime, cold, immediately. For about three and a half minutes. Yeah. It's like if the sun ever burns out, which it will, hopefully it dims. Because we've got some more time, right? We can figure this thing out. Takes a lot of years for that sunlight to get here. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we all start moving to the equator. It's going to be awfully crowded. The next ice age. Crowded at the equator. Next eclipse, 2026, Portugal. Oh, are you all going? Have you booked your rooms yet? I know, I'm actually, no kidding, we probably should. Oh definitely. Yeah especially I like to be in one of those castles. Let's book a castle. Is that on Burbo? How do you book a castle? No I think there's been some that have been converted to really really nice hotels and that kind of thing. I've heard that like the eclipse, I don't know if this is true because I just heard it, that the eclipse happens like constantly like but it's mostly just over the ocean so people don't care right but it's like it's not not even like that rare it's like yes again it's always eclipsing because obviously these bodies move around each other mm-hmm it just doesn't show up same place all the time yeah I guess the next one America is 2044 are they getting closer in yeah that we're getting close like we're funneling to like the earth? No, to more eclipses, more and more and more eclipses. Now pretty soon just one eclipse and you're dead. The last eclipse. The Sun never came back. It just stayed behind the moon. This body's got one eclipse left in it. But why would they get more frequent? What do you mean? I don't know. I mean wouldn't that be a great movie set though? I mean Something like that, that kind of thinking, you know, sort of. The path of totality. Starring Nicolas Cage. Yeah, right. Yeah, I don't know, though. Write it up. It's not the worst movie I've seen this year. All right, some Vermont stuff. Oh, more clip stuff. Vermont officials estimate 160,000 people drove here. Yeah, they were all on 189. 91 was full too. Did y'all experience any of that? We didn't go anywhere that day. All we did was walk around a corner to the other people's house. We never got in a car. Yep, from one driveway to the other. I don't know what was going on out on Shelburne Road or anything like that. Did you guys go anywhere? So, we were worried about the whole weekend. I thought these eclipse peepers were coming Friday night. Saturday, it was like 9 a.m. My wife was like, she's like, I'm bored. Like, can we go somewhere? I'm like, we prepped everything. You know, I feel like this is like apocalypse. And she's like, I'm bored. Like, can we go somewhere? I'm like, the zombies are out there anyway. So we go out to Price Chopper. No traffic. Right. And I'm like, okay. And then like, we went to the dump. And I'm like, there's no traffic. I'm like, do you want to go get lunch somewhere? there's like no traffic at all and then we came home and it was just like oddly quiet and then Sunday I was like well we're gonna go to church let's leave like 15 minutes early you got to church 15 minutes early there was no traffic it was so like calm yeah I was out Sunday you know where is everybody yeah I thought it would be packed the grocery store with nothing it was like a regular day. I think it's like everybody showed up that morning. Yeah, I think like all the Vermont, I saw a bunch of out-of-state plates. I think all the Vermonters were staying home. Right. And it was just like, you know, people from like New Mexico and Washington State and stuff. Did you see the pictures of the waterfront? I did. That was amazing. That was insane. There's a picture of a regular day versus the Eclipse Day. Oh my God. Yeah, it was crazy. Did they have one after day, after the Eclipse Day? I'm just wondering what it would look like all trampled with that many people. I mean, really, when I first saw that picture, I could not figure it out. Why? Because it was all these little white dots. That's all, and then you realize, oh, those are people. I mean, it almost blended in into sort of like this pinkish white hue. That's Vermont, where there's a bunch of little white dots. But to have that many people on the waterfront, oh, man, those lawns or bushes are, I don't even know how, I bet took a beating. Fair. I was at the barbershop this morning, and the guy next to me was talking, you know, like they do. and he said that his family left here at 5 p.m. on Monday, dumb by the way, and they're going to New Hampshire. They got home 2 a.m. Why don't you just stay the night if you're gonna, if that's your... A lot of people did. Yeah, why wouldn't you? I mean, at the airport they said that the flights, the planes going out We're half empty that night, that afternoon. That's crazy. And we're back. Yeah, sorry about that. Okay, so moving on? Yeah. We were just talking about how long it took to get the planes. They were half empty, you know, that afternoon and that evening. So a lot of people did stay over. And you'll see the next story we have is pretty interesting too. About the private planes. private planes. How many there were? More than usual? More than they've ever had. They had 130 or so planes come in, private planes, and they were all sitting out there in the tarmac. That's crazy. I mean, their little chairs and everything, a lot of them were. Oh, they just like flew in, got off the plane, got right there, Yeah, the airport made a space for them all. God, you can't even be bothered to go mingle with the common folk? Jesus Christ. Yeah, they should have had a bus going downtown. You're right. I don't think I would have mingled either. I would have stayed put. I'm sure they'd like to talk planes and things. No, no. You're probably on private planes. You don't want to talk planes. Oh, okay. I mean, maybe the pilots or the mechanics on the whatever, but like... No, I mean... Oh, yeah, that's right. The people who are the passengers on these planes. Never mind. Can you imagine, Matt, like, you're in New York, like, Monday morning, you're like, I guess I'll take a private plane up to... Like, do you have to schedule ahead of time? I guess you do. Yeah, I would think you would have to make a flight plan. That's why they probably knew how many were coming in. Yeah, you're like, oh, yeah, that morning I'll just pop up to Vermont, land at 3, watch the totality. back on the flight by 3.45, home by 4, you know, you're home at 6. Yeah, we'll be home in time to feed the dogs. Oh my god. As if these people feed their own dogs. Right. They said up to 2,000 people were leaving Vermont on Tuesday. So a lot of people did stay over. By plane. Yeah, by commercial plane. It's crazy. A lot of money coming to the state. I hope so. But like I said, that whole... I don't know if most people were coming Monday and staying all week. I thought they would come Friday and leave Monday. Or leave Tuesday. That's what I would do. Enjoy the weekend. Long weekend, but... If you have disposable income, it doesn't really matter. Our friend Pam said she left North Carolina at like 8 o'clock Monday morning. Or 4 o'clock Monday morning and made it here in time. Wow. Yeah. I think that's what she said. That's a pretty bold- That's fast. That's- That's a pretty bold plan. All right. Yeah, she told me that when I ran into her in the store a few weeks ago. She goes, yeah, I don't know what I was thinking. But I'm gonna try to get home in time. Because the worst place to be would be on a plane, right? Right. She drove, yeah. Oh, she drove? She drove. Well, I'm guessing the roads are pretty clear around 2, right? I mean, you'd expect everyone's kind of where they're going to be? I would think. Well, they made 127 a parking lot. Purposely? Yep. Well, 89 was just a parking lot. Yeah. It was 91. Yeah, my cousin, 91, goes right through their property over in the Northeast Kingdom. And they have a, there's a bridge there that goes over the, and she posted a picture of the line of cars. It was, and it was there for like three or four hours. Oh my God. In the same spot. Yeah, people just, well, it was moving, but it was just an inch at a time, you know. So you can't really enjoy it, because the whole time you've got to be paying attention into the car in front of you. I even wonder how many bumpers got bumped. Wouldn't that be interesting? That's what they're for, that's what they're for. I didn't hear of any problems though, did you? I mean, there was one problem in Barton. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah? We got that story. Okay, is that next? Yeah. Oh, good. So in Barton, some Eclipse viewers, I guess they parked a little too close to the railroad tracks, meaning on it. What were they thinking? I don't know! Where do you live in America where there's no railroad tracks? Are people in New Mexico like, what is this? They're that urban. Or not urban. Not urban. I don't know. There was two cars. Yeah. And they went into a third one when they got hit by the train. They're just stupid people. Jesus. I mean, I guess if we give them the benefit of the doubt, they're probably thinking, what are the odds a train is going to come in the next 30 minutes? I know that could be. You know what? They should check schedules. But you can't check the schedule like a grain train, can you? Probably not. Yeah. What do you call? You don't know where they're coming from? Hey, I'm parked on the tracks, so if anything's going down anytime soon, because I'm assuming your conductor is just going to pull over and watch the eclipse also, right? I wonder how many of these tourists went off the grid and ended up on these dirt roads, and where mud season is probably in full swing. Especially with that nice snowstorm we had, and you know they got more than we did. Yeah. Yeah. Real like, um, like Jekyll and Hyde of like, how Vermont probably looked to people like, depending on what turn you took, you're like, Oh, my God, this is awful. Versus like, if you're in Burlington, it's probably one of the most gorgeous days you've seen in a while. Right. Yeah. Well, it all worked out. Yeah, they're all gone. They're all gone. It was good. Once in a lifetime experience. Never forget it. I guess you're not going to Portugal in 2024. Didn't get my invite yet. I mean, 2026. I'll have to look into the castle choices. Yeah, how many people do we have to invite to make the castle a viable choice? Is it like 120 of us just chilling in the castle? A bunch of cots? Yeah. A lot of castles I've seen were just ruins, really. Yeah, almost like they weren't built to last. Yeah, that's for sure. One siege, that's all she wrote. It's one siege, right? Yeah. Yeah, I've also not been impressed by the ruins that I've seen. Really? Where have you seen ruins? I'm kind of joking, but I've seen a lot of ruins. Like the Colosseum. You've been to the Colosseum, you're like, eh. Oh, you see it on TV. I mean, I've seen it in person. Oh, you have? Yeah. I'm not trying to brag here, but I have been to Rome. But when you see it, you're like, oh, it's just kind of broken. It's like, I don't know. I know, yeah. A lot of imagination involved when visiting ruins. Yeah, they're so ruined. I know! I think, why don't they just build better stuff? Make it last longer. All right. I hope no one thinks that we're serious, but that sounds like a real idiot. Okay, moving on. Matt, someone tried to set Bernie Sanders' office on fire? Yeah. They just went into the vestibule and poured some stuff on the door and then lit it and took off. And they had many, many pictures of this guy. Some hotel manager recognized him. He'd been staying at a hotel over in Colchester for a couple months. He's like, oh, that's fire starter Frank. Yeah, I know him So he ended up getting jail. This guy's got kind of a weird mo he likes to travel around the country and skin the guns and he's a One and we give him housing he was found with an ak-47. Yeah two magazines Longs along with 11.5 grams of cannabis Is that a lot? I don't know I don't remember. I don't remember. How many dime bags is that? I don't remember how much a dime bag is. How many grams are in a dime bag? Don't confuse me with this gram stuff. I'm not here for division. I use fingers, man. It's a three-finger bag. That's all you need to know. And I got little fingers. I need Andre the Giant to come in. Yeah, right, right. I want to buy a pot from the giant. His three binger bags are huge. So what was this guy's beef? I don't know. He's also found with a book called How to Blow Up a Pipeline. Oh, there was a movie. Was it? Yeah. But like, okay, I don't know. I've not watched the movie. But the way I understand the movie is that Bernie Sanders would be the last guy that this guy would be going after. Because it, no, the book rather, instead of blowing up a pipeline, it really criticizes climate activists. So it's not, it's, the title's a little misleading. Again, I haven't seen the movie. So maybe he is the guy to go after Bernie. But he's got some, what's his name? I mean, I'm guessing he has mental health issues, drug problems, both. Like, Shant is his first name? I shan't, like shan't? Shan't. As in like the old, mid-English, like, shall not? Shan't, yeah. Or, what about when you shit in your pants? No, that's a shart. That's a shart. That's a shart. That's when you think you're gonna fart, but it's more. I think that's shat, isn't it? I shat my pants. Well, that's past tense. Well... I thought you said when you don't know, like when you're rolling the dice. When you're playing roulette. And you're like, I think I can make it. He's like, I didn't make it. Shanta Michael Sogholmanmanan or something. I don't know. Look at how Matt just gives up that one. I don't care. I can't spell. I can't read. So anyone listening, just Google what Matt said. You'll find the story. Records checks. He's been in New York, Chicago, California, Pennsylvania all within August 2023 so he's been moving around a lot I like what they in the prosecutors is in other words the defendant has a history of I itinerancy? Oh, he's an itinerant. Yeah, itinerancy, firearms possession, and lack of candor with law enforcement. You, sir, have a lack of candor. I found his firearms and itinerancy to be fine. But what really turned me off was a lack of candor. What the hell? Lack of candor. What's that other word? I don't know. Itinerant? I think it's like a... It just moves around a lot. He's from California. Northridge. What's that mean? Okay, so itinerant. A person who alternates between working and wandering. A person who travels from place to place especially for duty or business. What's that? Tutio? Especially for duty or business. Oh, okay. But that's weird because if your job takes you from place to place, you're not an itinerant, you're just a... You're working. Yeah, you are a worker. It's a person who alternates between working and wandering. You're a bit of an itinerant glow. I have? You used to be. You mean like bicycling and that kind of stuff? Yeah. Yeah, you're right. I kind of enjoy that hobo life. Yeah, you're an itinerant. Yeah, exactly. You just bicycle from town to town. And every now and then you burn down a congressman's office. Sometimes you gotta do what the old devils in your head tell you to. Yeah, we don't know why he did it. He just did it. But I don't think they're gonna let him go. They think he's a flight risk. Because he is an itinerant. And you never know what he's telling you the truth. Because he lacks candor. This guy's got a bicycle. He's like, I swear I'm not going to leave. I don't know. Your lack of candor really turns me off. Matt, Dick Mazza. Mazza? Sounds good to me. It might be Mazza. Dick Mazza. He's resigning. His health is poor. Oh, what is it? I didn't say, he didn't get into that, but he just said he didn't think. He doesn't have to, I was just curious. It's up to him. But he is the most powerful guy in Montpelier besides the governor, I think. Really? But he represents Bennington? Colchester. Oh, okay. The other guy down is Bennington, the other guy we've tried. Dixiers. Got my dicks mixed up. Yeah. Don't recommend that one. Yeah, he has a, they have a farm store, a couple of them. Why is he so powerful? Has he just been in there forever? Yeah, well, he's head of the Transportation Committee, and Senate, oh that's serving on the Senate's powerful, get this, committee on committees. That's what we need. We have a lot of committees, so what we need is a committee on committees. I bet he gets a lot of fucking emails. That's why he's resigning. It's just too many emails. My god. He's 84. Oh, he's got pancreatic cancer. And he's got a broken hip. He rarely made it to the Vermont State House this legislative session. But he was able to participate remotely on committee hearings and occasional floor votes. Well, sadly, I don't think you'll see 85. But on the plus side, it seems like he was well liked, got a good legacy, probably got some stuff named after him. Oh yeah. Yeah, he did. He served our state well. He was a good friend of the Chamber of Commerce, I guess. Well, I guess, cheers to Dick Mazza. Yeah. Moving on. Glo, you will be sad. Goddard College is closing. For good? Wow. They couldn't, yeah. I don't know how they stayed afloat even this long. I mean, they were such a shell. I think they were mostly just renting out the place to have, you know. Events? Not events, but. Oh, like those weekend, like. or week thing. Writers, weekends, yeah, yeah. Retreats and stuff. But, is this so sad because, I mean, I don't know, I mean, I just know about Goddard College, what y'all have told me on the podcast. That's literally all I know. And that Mehmet and, All those guys. Yeah, his whole crew went there. But like, doesn't it just feel like, culturally, like, we're losing our weird? Right. Oh, yeah. There's no weird left. I mean, I don't just mean Vermont. I mean like, nationally. Right. No, I know. Sucks. Yeah, well, a lot of it, you know, was those hippies that just came up here and changed a lot of things around. And that's where Goddard's got started, I'm sure. That was in 1938. The hippies came and changed it. No, but like, I mean, like, even like at UVM, like, there's, you ever walk on UVM campus? There's no, like, No weirdness anymore. It's so weird. When I went to Florida, you walk around the square and there's the Hare Krishnas, there's the kids protesting the war, there's the kids protesting the protesters, there's the kids on a hunger strike, there's the kids doing a play live, there's a guy juggling, there's all this weird shit, but we don't have that anymore. There's no weirdness, like that shirt, like Keep Vermont Weird. The fact that that shirt's sold in malls tells you what you need to know. Vermont's not weird anymore, the country's not weird, there's no more weirdness. It's all like, what's subversive anymore? Nothing. I mean, it's just alt-right bullshit, I guess, like racism and Nazism is subversive, but that's not cool, I'm not championing that. Well, I mean, down in Florida, New College in Sarasota was always known for being the weird kind of hippie kind of thing and the governor took it over and threw the Dean out and everybody else and put these other stooges in and now it's nothing nothing and they're losing a lot of people yeah because why would you want to go there why would you want to go there but like where do those people go I guess it's my question it's gotta be someplace you know New Mexico or someplace you know who knows but Vermont's not weird anymore No. Vermont's corporate and sad. Yeah, actually that's what's always kept Plainfield very weird, is because Goddard is in Plainfield. And then they lost that hardware store. Pretty soon they're also going to lose the co-op just down a little bit from there. You know, it's going to turn into... I mean, I haven't been there in a long time. We went to the co-op not too long ago, but you know, it looked pretty sad. It needed... it was going to kind of tip over. Well, we've lost a lot of higher education in the state in the last 10 years. Like a lot of small colleges like Marlboro, Southern Vermont College, which we're very familiar with. You know, beautiful campus, they've closed. All these other small colleges have gotten, are now together with other colleges, Linden State and those places. So, it's just, and UVM's so boring now, there's nothing over there. There's nothing going on over there. No, I mean, the students are just like, I don't know if it's indicative of what's happening all over the country. I don't have any idea, but they're just so in their own lanes that there's no, like... I don't know how to say this exactly, this might come off wrong, but like, they're not making anyone else uncomfortable, you know? They're just kind of doing their own thing. Everyone's just like kind of, you're in your lane, you're just like, everyone's just like kind of parallel. They're no one's like mixing. Homogenized. Yeah, yeah. They're all homogenized. But like, very smallly homogenized. So like, I don't know if that makes any sense, but like, they're all parallel. They're not like crossing over or anything. Yeah. Yeah, notable high profile names in the alumni, David Mamet, William H. Macy. I like one of those. Walter Moseley, he wrote, there's a movie called Devil in the Blue Dress. Denzel? Yeah, Denzel, that's his character, he's a black private detective back in the 50s I believe. Really good. Jane Sanders, Bernie's wife. Isn't she kind of a crook? She is. Okay. She had a little problem with the Burlington, another place, Burlington College, that was a little weird place too. Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. And several members of the rock band, Phish. Yeah. Now I'm on the fence. I'm glad it's closed. I'm not glad it's closed. Phish, I mean, Phish is definitely not for me. No. I'm guessing no one here is a fan of Phish. No. Neither was, who were they? The Grateful Dead? Yeah, it was the same, kind of similar. Right. Jam band. jam bands. It's one long song. If you don't like that song, then good luck. Take a walk. Take a long walk. Because these guys are going for hours. All right, moving on. Our favorite sheriff. The old nut kicker. Yeah. Yeah, they decided not to bring to impeach him. the committee, the Vermont House Committee. Committees can't decide anything anyways. So the question is, first of all, why not? And then what's the result? Like, is he up for a vote soon? Is he up for a vote in November? They call him for, yeah, well, I don't know. I don't know where he did get elected after he did it. He probably got more popular. Yeah, probably. They've called on him to resign. That ain't happening. He was supposed to have a press conference a couple days ago, but he canceled it I guess somebody probably you might realize they're not gonna do anything. So he's just keep his mouth shut He's just go, you know He should really be in the scumbag map It points to the highly publicized August 22 incident in which he repeatedly kicked and handcuffed and shackled detainee I guess that's fine. Yeah, and he, according to committee, improperly paid himself his own retirement funds. Oh, man. The sheriffs in this state are the biggest crooks. Not all of them, but a lot of them are. Because they handle so much money. And can never be fired. And can never be fired. My lord. All right, well. He was stripped of his police certification so he somehow used to police the sheriff but he's not a cop. This is like the prosecutor that can't actually prosecute. Right, right. This is the sheriff you can't actually police. What are we doing? Seriously, what are we doing? This is ridiculous. Cool, keep collecting your check. You're probably making what, six figures? North of six figures I imagine? Probably. At least high. Five figures. Yeah. I'd say very high. Yeah. All right. Well, I don't know, Matt. Sometimes I just give up. Yeah, I kind of give up on this guy. We'll hear about him again at some point. Yeah, as a Senate candidate. Yeah, yeah. Gonna run for governor. Kick him in the balls. Matt, I did not read this. Thanks. I put this on for GLOW. South Burlington housing challenge headed to trial. This, they're actually want to build houses at Wheeler Park in Wheeler Park. No. She left that property. Wheeler. Oh, okay. That checks out so far. 32 mixed housing units built in the Wheeler. This is, it's a beautiful part. It's a swamp in some places, but it's big. Great to walk through. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. Got beautiful. You can see the mountains really clearly. You know, it's really nice. So, tell the story, like, if a woman owned this park? Yeah, she... She owned the land. She owned all this land, and she bequeathed it to... Oh, is that the right word? She left it for... I don't know, either the county or the city at the time. The city, I believe. Whatever, that she is donating this at her death to always, always be protected. and she gave them all that property only under the, that's the agreement folks here. You can have it but you'll never build on it. Well now they're trying to break that. And the people who are taking them to court are people who have built houses around there. Yeah. Oh I know. They don't want that. Not in my backyard. But I mean, if what you said is true, isn't that like an open and shut case? like you would think but that doesn't you know money talks that happens in Florida it happened to my cousin oh they're never gonna build in front of you never never never never guess what they put a great big tall building in front of him they said it's a designated natural area that has to be preserved in perpetual perpetuity and the only development allowed is unpaved walking trails. That's directly from the city plan. So who in the hell, oh BlackRock is this, the people want to build these houses, whoever they are. I don't think I've ever run across them before. They sound like the good guys. Yeah, yeah. BlackRock, the development agency. It's like, could you even think of a more of a villainous name than BlackRock? I think it's, I bet it's a really big corporation. Maybe even out of state. With that kind of money, that would fight this and don't care. And win. Because they got the money. This is one of those things, and it already has been, this is one of those things that's going to be in court for a long time. Well, look what happened to Spear Street, the corner of Swift. You know, that used to be all farmland. Oh now what that was also under something like that and guess what it was overturned It took five years though of the town fighting, but they lost I mean townspeople, but they lost We just burn this place down if it gets bill, right Wait a minute one already has happened. Remember? That's what I'm talking about that development One did get one of the first ones they built burned down. Yeah. Hey That was a hypothetical, joking suggestion, which is what we often do on this show. It's satire, folks. I did not burn down that development. It says the 110-acre Wheeler Park National Nature Park was first acquired by the city in 1993. So the city bought the land. After she died? Wait a minute. It didn't say. What? That's what it says. It has years of legal history. The parcel in court was first created in 2017, the result of a settlement agreement that included the swapping of 7 acres for 22 that had been conserved with Wheeler Park. So, I don't know what the land swap was eventually approved of a town meeting day vote in 2011, although the vote was not legally binding and only considered a good faith gesture. Former city attorney Jim Barlow said the council meeting in 2000, according, in 2015, according to previous reporting. So, these fucking assholes, they just wanna build everywhere. They wanna damage everything. That's a beautiful part. They have some cool woods. Oh, yeah. Beautiful woods that you've walked through. This old, one of the biggest trees in Chittenden County is there. It's a monster. I mean, they need to fix it a little bit. I mean, it's a swamp walking through it. But every time it rains, it just... Well, they do. They put up boardwalks and maybe I shouldn't be talking... Well, yeah, but maybe more people who know about it will walk it. But they do. They have boardwalks and for the most part, it's actually in pretty good shape, I think. Well, we haven't gone there yet. Once you get past the entrance... The entrance actually needs a little... Because they built a boardwalk, but it's still flat. But the rest of the park is fine. But, yeah, it's a beautiful spot in these assholes at Black Rock. Black Rock! And it's all for money. Of course. Of course. What else? Alright, I think just one more, right? Alright, last story before the break. Louise Guzman is a... Got a new beverage out. So, a maple lemonade in apple cider and blueberry flavors. A lot of stuff going on in that sentence. So, Matt, how are you pronouncing this? Is it Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Goose Juice, Go Gusman or Guzz, Guzz, Guzz? Well, I'm not saying like how would a random person, I'm saying how was the correct pronunciation is my question. I am that random person. You want the truth, okay. Why don't you get that guy to pronounce it? That nice British gentleman we got on real quick? So, yeah, so he's got a new beverage He's doing it with the owners of Chef's Corner. They're friends. So, it's supposed to have a... In the grocery store, you'll be able to buy it late May or early June. I don't know. I don't know, like, if it's Goose Juice, if it's Goose Juice... I don't know, man. Like, that's... Is there any person whose name plus juice sounds appealing? No. Sounds like sperm. Yeah, I'm glad you said it. Jezum. I was just saying the same thing. How many ways can we say it? Do you have other synonyms you know for that? Market32 has a Vermont section of Vermont products. I wonder how many of them, how do they last? How many of those companies? Well, I think a lot of those, I mean- There's so many, so much stuff out there. I think a lot of those are like side hustles. Yeah. Like those people are like teachers, and nurses, and like accountants, you know? Like, that's not their full-time job. Yeah. But this guy. He's got a full-time job. Yeah, he's got his face right on it. Goose juice. Maybe it's delicious. This is non-alcoholic, right? This is just straight up lemonade or something? It's a maple lemonade in apple cider and blueberry flavors. An apple cider maple lemonade? Doesn't that seem like a lot of stuff going on? Blueberry maple lemonade? I feel like we have like three flavors. I think that's what they mean. I don't know. I think he drinks it. Now we got to go out and get one, right? Do you think you can buy just one? Yeah. Well, you want me to buy one of every flavor? No, no, no. I mean like, I'm guessing a four pack or something. Oh, I see. I see what you're saying. So it's not going to be like just in those bottles, like the Chomini or Tobit, whatever. You know, all those little juice bottles, it's not going to be like that. It might be. You might be able to go to the local convenience store and buy a bottle. I was thinking it was a can, but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it is. For some reason I was thinking one of those plastic containers. Who knows. Now we're curious. Alright, go get one for the next show. We'll do a live sampling of the goose juice. It's not out yet, is it? No, late May or early June. Yeah, see, you're gonna have to put that on the event calendar. Unless you call Guzman and say, first of all, how do you pronounce it? Second, can we get one for our show? Guzman, a high-level podcast here. Just really trying to promote you. Don't listen to the last episode, but just curious, like, how do we pronounce your beverage? And can we get some samples? Because we'd like to do some live taste testing. That's what he was doing at Chef's Corner. He was handing out free samples. And we missed it. Next time we'll bring the mics. I want you to do the podcast right in front of him. Live! And you are... And your name is... Well, we like... I like Guzman, you know? Well, I wish him luck. All right, time for a break. As always, we use local Vermont musicians for our break music. This is some lo-fi, noir-influenced, kind of rock, kind of low-key rock from Ben Roche. And if you dig this, check out all his stuff because there's quite a range to this dude. And you can check the show notes as always for info for the musicians. The blue rose, the gold moon, the dress, the white stain The charm that will keep that chrome The hammer that will knock out the KO That anybody went for I'm going to make a hole in the back of the head. I'm going to make a hole in the back of the head. I'm going to make a hole in the back of the head. I'm going to make a hole in the back of the head. The next subject, Otto's mood, the British is dead, the Red Wing boots, it's just an accident. Station cloud, the Passport, the Charmed I'm sure, the Charmed I'm sure, And we're back. All right, so we start with hair equity. So UVM MC recognized the problem that when patients who are non-white showed up, the nurses didn't really know what to do with their hair. So first of all, did y'all know that I didn't know this, but if you're in the hospital for a long time, people wash your hair and take care of you. I guess it makes sense, I never thought of it. Have you ever been in the hospital long enough that you got the salon treatment? No. Well, I was, but I don't remember the salon treatment. Well, maybe not the salon treatment, but they wash your hair for you because you couldn't do it yourself? Well, I was in the hospital five weeks, so I should have some memory of it. You know what I do remember? Were there slugs crawling through your hair? It was the first time ever in my life I received a massage. This nurse early on came and massaged my back and it felt wonderful and that was it. But never again. Did she get her number? Sure. Nine year old kid. Hey, can I? Oh, right, okay. Never mind. That just got weird. Okay, moving on. So yeah, so this story is about people of color. I guess the nurses just don't know what to do with like- Or embarrassed about it. It's just like, okay, first of all, us here at the table, I'll speak first, but like, I don't know what to do with a black woman's hair. Like, I don't know like the rules. I remember being like a little kid. And like, when you're like a little kid, you're like, oh, your hair's different, my hair's different. let's touch each other's hair in like elementary school and like that's kind of like the end of it and as I got older to me it's kind of like taboo like just yeah you don't want you know people like their hair getting touched no matter what it's just it's common sense we wouldn't know why would we know and why would these nurses know unless they were women of color yeah or men of color yeah so I I think it's a great class. Yeah, so now, again, like you said, I guess you read the story. Not really. They're doing some interventions, some classes that teach the nursing staff, like, this is what you do, so you take care of it. These are some shampoos you can use. So, it's getting a little bit more, like, equitable for everyone who's there. So, that's kind of cool, I guess. and a woman who owns a salon, Pascal, Clark Pascal, Pascal O. She runs a salon in South Brendan and she's kind of helping out with the whole operation because she had a C-section and she realized that there was a need, because they were tending to all of her body, but they were leaving her hair alone. Yeah. This is a very like thoughtful mm's. I thought like something else was coming, but I realized, nope. Sorry, Fern. All right, so that's cool. Moving on. New work being done on the community sailing center down at the waterfront. Again? Yeah. Seems like it's never been done or finished. They're going to put a 50-foot pier in and a deep water boat launch with two cranes and ADA accessibility. Where are they going to put all of this? I don't know. I hope they tear that. Probably near the water. The shore, I guess, is what I would say. I hope they tear that old plant down, the one we don't like. The brand? They're fencing that thing up, man. It's just a skeleton. What a waste. I'm sure it's being tagged. What isn't being tagged. That's true. So, I don't understand what this, I mean, it says right on the front, Sailing Education Center, so this is gonna be a stupid question, but this is for educating young sailors? Yeah. Looks like a pretty big building. It would have to be for all the sailboats. To keep them inside? Could be, I don't know. Seems like a bad way to teach. Seems like you'd want them in the water. I meant like, undercover or something. I'm saying like, is there like an HVAC education building? Is there like a plumbing education building? Is there like a solar education building? Why this? Yeah, I know, right? I mean, why not something that's valuable? Yeah, why not something that like people who maybe don't have money could use to make money versus people who already have money can use for recreation? Exactly. I guess that's my question. Oh, I'm all for that, you know, your question. It's costing $3 million. Again? For what? Jesus. A pier's gonna cost a lot. Piers aren't cheap, honey. They already have that one new pier. Yeah, they do. How many more do they need? Hey, have you ever done that pier? I bet you haven't. Done it? Yeah. What do you mean? What does that mean to you, if I do a pier? It's way out of the way where you wouldn't really go down because it just looks like one of those kind of dingy driveways between the old plant building and something else. and then around you go to make a left and that's where that food cart food truck is with the little outdoor seat seating and there's you can look I mean there's one that has a gate that's for people who own obviously the richer boats and then for people like us you still could actually walk We don't get a key. You can walk all the way out. I mean, it goes actually pretty far, and then you make a left, because, well, that's where the boardwalk lefts. Take a right, you're wet. And then it goes pretty far out again, and it makes another left. But then it stops, so then you have to go in. Most peers do. Okay, so what am I doing out there? Do I fish? Well, most people are tying up their boat, I think. That's the new marina, right? Yes, it's the new marina. So, if that's the new marina, what else are they going to put? Another marina? I don't know. Are they going to put a big... No, they're just going to put a new pier out there. A 50-foot pier, a deep-water boat launch, and as Matt said, two cranes, and ADA accessibility, which they probably need to do legally. Right. Yeah. Three, go ahead. I was just going to say that, that new marina, two years before it was even built, it was already booked. Really? The one that is now down there that I just described? There was such a, you know, call for it that, you know, they could have built a bigger one. If you got sailing money, you got real money. Yeah. So you know what I say? Let them have it. Because if it increases, better clientele, then so be it. A majority of them, I think, are from Quebec. I hear a lot of people from Quebec. Is that a better clientele? Yeah, I think so. Well, remember that tiki bar, or whatever it is, my cousin was running up there? St. Albans? Yeah, up on the islands. North Hero. She's not doing it anymore? No. What happened? It was a joke. It wasn't a great location. No. It was really out of the way. It wasn't close to water either. Then COVID hit, I think. And then they were just having all you could eat hamburgers and hot dogs, which I'm not traveling that far to go eat the shitty hamburgers. She's got a couple of places over. She's on her feet. But anyways, when you drive through that marina, this was during COVID, all the boats that were on land, just dry dock, almost all of them had French names on them. Yeah. Like Le Jean Pierre. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. It would say Quebec, Montreal, or whatever on the boat. Exactly. You ever think about what your boat name would be? I never even thought about having a boat. What about you? I haven't either, but my friend had a little, it's like whatever one step above a canoe is, like a canoe with a motor. And we were- A dinghy? Yeah, like a dinghy. We were like 20, and this is Titusville, Florida, he had one. It was a salty whore. Just- Right there on the side. All right. Or like O-A-R? No. Whore. Oh, salty whore. Salty whore. Actually, I think it was the salty whore 2 because the first one... Died? Yeah. Anyway, so this project is being funded, so 3 million, it's being funded mostly through private donations. So, what do we care? Let the rich people play what they're going to play, right? To your point, Glo? Yeah. and they're trying to raise 4% through public donations. If you're... Don't donate to this. They're fine. Yeah, there's better things to donate. If they hit 96% of their goal, they'll be fine. Somebody will come up with the rest of it. Yeah. Thirsting. Moving on. Rutland Robotics Team is headed to Houston for a national competition. I put this on here, or one of us put this on here, because there wasn't anything else happening this week. I think you did. I didn't... The first Lego League? I guess they make them out of Legos? Is that true? I don't know. Well, now it seems less impressive. I didn't realize these guys were just playing Legos at that time. No, actually, I don't see any Legos in their machine there. I don't know. Anyways, you're not a robotic guy? I mean, I don't know how to do it, but I'm pro at it. I think that, like you ever see those videos of like those dogs? Oh yeah, yeah. Those robot dogs that like, can do all the stuff? Or the robot soldiers? Yeah, I'm for that. Yeah. Yeah. We just need more than China. Yeah. So yeah, they're heading back next week to National Championship. So this is cool. And there's high schoolers, yeah. Yeah. Not a lot to hear about like what is involved there. but the team was awarded the district first impact award given the teams that represent a model for others to follow many of its members and I said like what they're actually doing so be curious what they are actually building like battle bots let's hope it's not yeah I'm guessing glow does not know what battle bots are it was like imagine boxing but instead of boxers you have Roombas, and each Roomba had a special skill. Wait a minute, a Roomba like a vacuum cleaner? Stay with me. Okay, okay. And one has like a buzz saw, one has a flamethrower, and they would fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Some have things that can tip over the other. Who watches this stuff? My brother. Matt and I at least have a working knowledge of it, so we didn't watch Zero. I've seen it with my brother. Okay. And I was just, you know, okay, after you watch the first one it's like, there's like six seasons of this? It's like, it's like 10.30 Comedy Central. Man. Comes on after South Park, then comes The Daily Show, so you're not gonna turn it off, you can just kind of sit through it, because you're probably intoxicated. Not a lot of sober people watching BattleBots. Moving on, 1,200 Vermont contractors have signed up for the mandatory registry. 1,200 out of how many? Yeah, that's the question. And they have to... home contractors doing work over$10,000 projects have to sign under 22 law aimed at protecting consumers from fraudsters. There's still some fraudsters out there. What? Yeah, so Glo, this is your thing. You're always like, well, who's gonna force them to sign up? So, 1,200 people have. I mean, that seems like a lot. A state of 600,000, 1,200 contractors. it seems like a pretty good chunk. And they will, fines will be levied against delinquent businesses after investigations in a public hearing. We'll see. Yeah. Who's going to enforce it? I mean, whose brother or sister is in the legislature that's not making this happen? Like, what's actually going to happen here? So we shall see. All right, moving on. Yeah, a Swanton mom cautions parents after baby gets sick from touching tussock, moth cocoon? What the hell is this? What new nightmare have I just uncovered? I watched the story and it's a really weird looking, unfortunately you have to watch this commercial, but some weird looking cocoon that this baby got really sick by just touching it. It got on her hands and she couldn't get it off, this stuff. How did she ever find out it was a tussock moth cocoon? I don't know. Maybe they're all over the house. It's in a bag here, so they've identified it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You ever heard of such a thing, Glo? I have never heard of this. Nope. No. It looks kind of small, too. Yeah. Right? It's only like the size of a lava bean. Salt packet. A what? A salt packet. A salt packet? Yeah. Okay. That's what it says in the story. I'm not making it up. Oh, I see. Okay. So it took less than 48 hours for the kid to develop symptoms mimicking hay fever. So has there been any laboratory work done on it to find out what it is? I don't know. What do you mean, laboratory work? To know what's in this, like take a sample of it and find out if there's some virus or something growing in it or whatever that could be making this kid sick. Explore it. Make it a weapon. Okay, never mind. Where are we sending it, Matt? The entomologist wants people to know that though Cooper's reaction is serious, that parents shouldn't be overly concerned. However, they need to be aware and alert. All right, so it's kind of a nothing. Yeah. This is a slow news week for anyone listening. There wasn't much going on. So yeah, doing the best we can. I guess. I mean, I don't know. Are we close to it? All right, that's one. All right, Keisha Ram Hinsdale had a complaint filed against her that she was benefiting from a law that she wrote that would make it easier for single family homes to be diced up into apartments. Her husband is a... I hate her already. Her hater is Jacob Hinsdale. Her husband is Jacob Hinsdale who owns Hinsdale Properties. Guess what they do? They're slumlords? Yeah, they buy big properties and slice them up into small units. Yep. Great. So the house dismissed this allegation. We didn't find anything. It's like, well, you didn't actually investigate. Right. This is bullshit. Yeah, it's total bullshit. And the person who dismissed it said, what did he say? He said something stupid. He said, I really believe that there is at least an appearance of conflict of interest, if not direct conflict. Oh, this is the guy who brought the charges. Rich people getting richer. Yeah, I'm trying to find the quote from the person who said like there's nothing to see here. Basically what he said was, I haven't seen anything, but also I don't know what her family does. So basically like I'm just going to not actually know anything, so I can say I don't know anything. and then we can forget about it. And this is her bullshit, too. All my work is geared toward increasing vacancy and reducing rent increases. Bullshit. Oh, right. She makes money off of an Airbnb. Right. How does that reduce vacancy? Yeah. You hypocrite. You are. And she goes, and most of these attacks are sexist. Always bring this bullshit up. Maybe you're just a fucking crook. Matt's fired up. Well, I hate these people. She says it's sexist because they're looking into what her husband does. Why would you look into what my husband does? Well, because what he does probably benefits you because you live in his million dollar home. Right. Just an assumption. Maybe that's sexist to think that a wife and a husband's money are co-mingled. Right. It's not sexist. It's common sense. It's common sense. People should judge me by my record and how I earn a living, and instead, they go directly to my husband. I find that unfortunate. All right, I'll calm down. In addition to her Senate salary, Ram Hinsdale lists only one source of income over $10,000 on her Senate financial disclosure form, a guest house on North Prospect Street in Burlington, where she used to live, which is now an Airbnb. I don't think that reduces vacancy if you're using property as an Airbnb. I think it probably increases vacancy. And now they've moved to a million-dollar home near Shelburne Bay. I think they're going to be okay. Yeah, they're going to be okay. So I'm trying to get into the psychology of this person. Do you think she started off like, I'm going to make a change, and then she met this guy with the money, and she's like, actually, you know what's easier? Not doing that. Or do you think she was like, here's the plan, I'm going to come in as an activist but actually, I'm going to work against everything I stand for so that my husband can make a few extra bucks. They all say the same fucking thing. That the more we build, the less people have to pay rent. It's bullshit. Yep. It's never going to happen. Never happened. You know, this is what Miro, that was his line, it's all their lines, it's all bullshit. Yep. Point to one, just give me one example where that's happened. One. Yeah. One. Yep. I mean, last week we were talking about a guy who's building homes and the affordable home is $360,000. Well, some people can afford that. That was his whole reasoning. It may be not a reason, you know. When I say affordable, I mean able to be afforded by some people. That's what I mean. It's like, all right, man, that's cool. Just say like I'm a fucking crook. Like, in for Keisha, again, she's kind of idolized by the left as being this super progressive and she's not. She's just not. Phony. She's a phony. She's just not. Yeah. Like, I mean, you can talk the talk, but actually when it comes down to it, You're like, well, it's good for me. Yeah. It's not good for you, it was good for me. And if you, I mean, can you imagine if you're a champion of the left and a progressive, would you even have a first date with a fucking slumlord? No. Like, it seems like, I mean, I'm not saying that people are defined by their jobs, but like, come on. Like, that's gotta be like, I mean, it's not that hard to find a date in Vermont, is it? Like, there's people, but yeah, I don't know. I agree. I mean, yeah. Like if you're principled, you wouldn't even take the call. You do what for a living? Right. No. What do you do? No. Oh, you take advantage of the people that I'm trying to save? Right. No. I mean, it's not like this is a Tom Hanks movie with Meg Ryan. Oh, You've Got Mail? It's not like they didn't know who each other were, right? Like they knew, right? They both knew. And he's probably getting his rocks off going like, I turned her. Right. I turned this progressive into a Republican, essentially. Yep. Oh, God. Hypocrisy. Hippie hypocrisy. Yeah, that's great. We should come up with T-shirts. Hippie hypocrisy. Right. She does that. It's her thing. Hippie hypocrisy. Didn't she run for governor or something? What was that? She was running for... Oh, she was running for the house. Yeah. That's Becca Belen. I think because all this stuff's coming out, she's... Never gonna. I'd be surprised if she gets elected again. Maybe no one's gonna challenge her. But, I mean, she's kind of... Maybe she's seen the writing on the wall. Maybe she's like, you know what? I'm just gonna get out of here and make money. Yeah, like, you know, it's... Yeah, I mean... In a way, I don't blame her. Like, you know what's fun? A millionaire home on the waterfront in Charlotte, whatever the hell it was, you know? That's fun. You know what's fun? Taking three or four vacations to other countries every year. That's fun. I wouldn't mind. You know what's fun? My kids having access to very private education because the public schools suck and I'm doing nothing about it. That's fun. And probably sailing downtown, too. You know what's fun? Sailing. Yeah, you know. God. Yeah, if you're representative sales, they ain't representing you. All right, that was the most fired up we've been on the show. Yeah. Yeah. I especially don't like this person because I know a lot of people who do or did, like, idolize her. I was always like, well, what is it? I don't know. It was so over the top. It's like, what is here? Why are you? Just because she's a woman of color? Is that why you idolize her? I think she talked the talk very well. I think that's what it was. I don't, I mean, maybe there's some of that mixed in there, but I think it was kind of just like, she took these very bold stances, which never amounted to anything, you know? Like, what have you actually done? Right. What are you doing? Show me how you've made prices more affordable. Right. Just one example, that's all, just one, just one. Right. Can't do it. Moving on. Before I have a stroke. All right, Matt. Snow-mobiling. Not so great this year. I wonder why. Was it the eclipse? No, it's just the most warmest winter I've ever experienced in all of Vermont. Until next winter. Which will be warmer. Oh, really? Well, Glo, we're globally warming. No, it is. I mean, it's been a big change even in the 29 years that I've lived here. And, but also coming from up there in the hills of Worcester down to Burlington, another huge difference. So, but anyway, yeah, everything's warming up. Well, that's the problem was they said they got snow, but it would melt. It didn't last. Like usually when you get snow in December or early January, that stuff sticks around for a while. Yeah, yeah. It used to be. Now it's gone. It used to start sticking around Thanksgiving, like a little bit in October, you see it. But when it started to really stick, it was around mid-November. Ever since I've been here, let me try that sentence again. Start to talk like me. Yeah, but I do declare, ever since I've been in Burlington, which is about nine years, Thanksgiving, as Glo said, is when it would start to snow, stick, and then it'd go until mid-April, essentially. April was always slushy, you get a random day, but it wouldn't stick. It was like April to end of March was the snow kind of season. Mm-hm, yeah. But it's different now. They were down slightly in memberships, only selling 18,000 passes. This is VAST, the Vermont Association of Snow Travelers. Wait, wait, I need a pass? You really should. I mean, it used to go through my property. Not that I got anything out of it, but I mean... You ever check in with a pass? Huh? Oh, yeah, right, yeah. Papers, please. Papers, please. That's what I'm saying. It's like a fishing license. Who gives a fuck? It's like they fly by you at 40 miles an hour. So 18,000 passes, which makes me think 45,000 people are actually doing it. Right. Because most people are. I mean, if you're a snowmobiler, you're not bound by the law. Yeah. You're your own man or woman. It's 2,000 passes less than last year. And it's just slightly down. That's more than 10%. When Matt is doing math on the fly, I'm just like, whoa, we are locked in. We are locked in. But if you don't have a trailer, if you're not willing to, you know, chase the snow where it is, it's, you know, it's a little tough. I don't... Why do you keep saying, you know? Well, you know, still mobile guy, you know, yeah, I mean, I did intentionally, but we don't sound eloquent like pull the thousand hours of us talking, we don't. I cringe when I do our snippets for the podcast, because I'm listening, go, oh, yeah, you know, so yeah, it's, it's raw. It's real. It's fine. It stinks at times. Also, sometimes it's pretty damn good. Yeah, you gotta say, you gotta suffer through the worst to get to the better sometimes. It's like a long relationship. Put us on in the background, while you're cooking, folding laundry. Alright, moving on, Matt. Yup. Putney. This is such a frustrating story, because they never say why. Nobody will say why. So, Putney's fire chief, well, he's not just the fire chief. He has multiple, he wears hats. That was the problem. The woman on the video said the problem is he wears all these hats and they thought it should be delegated these jobs that he has and I guess he didn't think so and he got everybody to quit. What's his paycheck? Is he getting paid? That's what I'm wondering. Does he get paid for five jobs? Is he doing them up to satisfaction? I don't know. So Punny is a town of like 2,500 I think was in the story somewhere around here So, the fire department chief has just resigned. Yep. And, uh, the 12, I think 12 firefighters? Yes. Quit? Yep. They still have 20, I think. Uh, well, ASTLEAD maintained the walkout, Les is the mayor, I think, or something, left 20 people still on the roster. resident Casey Darrow said that's disingenuous and that number needs to be taken out of the grain of salt. Nobody will say anything. I'll pull up another story that I saw. We read different stories I think. So this guy who quit said most of the problems are actually pretty small. It's just that they festered for so long, but it doesn't say what it was. It doesn't say what this person, what the issues were. Just says that this person quit, and a bunch of people quit with him. Oh, punny, 2,617 people. So now I have to get other towns to help them, like Brattleboro, Westminster, places like that. Thomas Goddard, the town's 22-year fire chief, was also the health officer, emergency management director, and 911 coordinator. Wow. So, my question is like, is he saving the money? Or is he getting paid for salaries? They didn't say, but that's how I took it when I saw the interview. Oh, the select board chairperson, she said that that's the problem. He has all these jobs, he doesn't want to give them up, But the board thinks that other people in the fire department should do these other jobs. So it's going to be hypocritical, but as a relatively new Vermonter, I'm nine years in almost, this guy's been there 22 years. How long have they been here? Those other people? The select board. Are they COVID converts who came in and are trying to do a job that no one else wants to do? like I know better for this town you know I mean like is that the issue it could be have they been there for 22 years and they're like this is a real problem because old Thomas Goddard is out when he's a being the health management health officer he's not really the 9-1-1 coordinator like is there like our issues happening or is it they feel like he's getting paid too much I don't know then nobody says anything I mean how much crime actually happens around in this neighborhood, right? That he has- Well, it's a fire department. So, all it's gonna take is a house or two to burn down. Okay. And they're waiting for the fire truck from Brattleboro. You know, it's on its way. It'll be here in 45 minutes. Whatever it is, I don't know. It's not, it's pretty close, but. But we've seen a lot of this the last couple of years around Vermont. These EMS, fire trucks, and you know, people like that. There's a lot of, Again, we have no information from the story that's about to project a lot of things that might be untrue. But people from other places, or younger people coming in and wanting to make a change, and the old guard going, that's cool, double deuces in the air, good luck with your services, because who's going to find someone? And it's not always for the best, but sometimes it is, because you've got the old... Embezzlers. The embezzlers, the sheriff's departments. That no one's been ever looked at. Right, right. It's like, wait, wait. You run the bank, the sheriff department, the fire department, and you're the city clerk? That seems weird. Right. But you pay yourself? Yeah, just do it all. So, yeah, sometimes it's good. Also, sometimes it's like misguided. You know, there's a lot of times people come in, they just want to make a change just to say, I did something. That used to be big in Florida. People who lived there for three years trying to make all these changes. And the old locals are- Florida should be more like Wisconsin. It's like, no, Florida should be like Florida. Yeah, locals would give it a finger. Yeah. See ya. Yeah. Cashing in. So, could be the case we don't know. Sugar Mountain buys Whetstone Craft Brewery facility. We mentioned it was up for sale, right, several weeks ago, months ago. So this is an interesting development. What exactly is Sugar Mountain? Is it a resort? It sounds like a ski area. It is. They're renovating a maple... Is it a ski resort or do they sell cocaine? It's definitely one of the two. There's a spokesman for Sugar Mountain Holdings. Keen... whatever his last name is. I'm giving up. Matt Parish, he's out. Halfway through the day, he's like, I'm done, you're like, yeah, I got Keane. Yeah, I can pronounce Keane, spell that. Said, renovating the lodge at Maple Valley Ski Area. I have no idea where that is. It's not one of the biggies. I never heard of it. Well, do you think it's near there? Is there skiing near Brambleboro? Yes. Yeah, not too far. I don't know. You don't say that like I do. Towards the middle of the state, that's That's where the Green Mountains are, so, you know, I mean, it takes you probably half an hour or so to get to the ski, but, or more, but, but that's one of our favorite places, Whetstone, we've really enjoyed going there. Yeah, great spot. I mean, the location couldn't be better, unless they put a development right across the river, but... The brewery was... The new ski hotel, right across the street, right across the river. The brewery opened in 2011 and in 2018 they expanded their brewing footprint by purchasing a building on Frost Street for their vats. We took great care during the sales process to find someone who would not only preserve but shepherd the Whetstone brand forward. I'm excited by the vision that Keen and his team at Sugar Mountain have and honored them to see the legacy of excellence we've built over the last 12 years. So they're going to keep it a brewery, I guess. What do you think they paid? I mean, that's a phenomenal spot. 3 million? That's my first thought. Am I too high? Am I low? You might be too high, but. 1.6? I don't think the business itself is worth that much. I think the location. The building and the land and all that stuff, right? Yeah. I'd say about 2.3, maybe. Hey, let's look it up. I bet you could. Can we, you think? Well, not on this website, that's for sure. They're not going to tell you anything. You have to go on the dark web to figure that one out. I know. I'm curious how much it costs because it's always interesting how much these breweries go for. Well, the brewery right down the street went out of business. The one we didn't like. In Brattleboro? Yeah. Hermit Thrush. Hermit Thrush, they made sours. We walked by there a couple times, I think. I don't think we ever stopped, but we don't like sours. And that was their thing. I think we looked on the menu, and they had no IPAs. So we... and I thought Whetstone had pretty good beer. It's not bad. It's not my favorite, but... All right, trying to Google here. There's some hardcore Googling. All right, 2.5 million, that was in October 2023, so you're close. I was closest, 2.3. Well, who knows if it went higher or lower, right? Oh, I see, that's what it was. That's what the sale price was, but we don't know what they actually paid for it. Like, was there a bidding war, or was it- They had to go under. Yeah, because the other one, so I mean, they're kind of in a good spot, right? like this sounds terrible but like Hermit Thrush closed the other one burned down right so they're suddenly the only brewery in town right and walking distance of Lackey Hotel that might be closed by now all right y'all ready for a break yep I've got some good old-fashioned punk rock coming out of st. Johnsbury this is until we're dead and gone and the song is Everybody's Out To Get Me. I turned it black Now I see you You're only see-through Now it's my turn to get you back Everybody's out to get me Why do they all want to kill me? Everybody's out to get me Wish they all would just let me be Everybody's out to get me Why do they all want to kill me? Everybody's trying to hurt me Please just let me go I'm breaking out I'm tearing down All I thought you could have been You watched me burn Now it's my turn To make you recount all your sins So here I come You look real dumb You wish I never met you Now it's time To expose your crimes We don't want to burn you Everybody's out to get me Why do they all want to kill me? Everybody's out to get me Maybe they should just let me be Everyone's out to get me Why do they want to kill me? Everyone's trying to hurt me I wish you would fucking die Horse People in Vermont, it's America's favorite segment, where we run down the itinerants. Oh, we've learned, huh? Come on, Glove. Oh, gosh, I don't know. What's wrong with me? I freeze up every time we come to this part. I should have taken notes, see? How do you describe terrible people in your neighborhood? Assholes. There you go. The Despicable. Matt, it's time for the Scumbag Map. One, two, three, four! We got some money! Put the money! And we're gonna ease in the Scumbag Map a little bit. We start with a burglary in Brattleboro where a thief made off with the life savings of a five-year-old. Oh my gosh, how much could that be? I don't think it says. It was a big water bottle full of change, I guess. Oh, well that's... Yeah, but what is that, you know? No, no, actually, that might turn out to be at least a hundred bucks. Okay. But that's also very heavy. Are you kidding me? He sold that... Oh my gosh, you gotta be that desperate. Also made off with some clothes, a PlayStation, some perfumes. So maybe he's a romantic. He's going to give it to his brother. There's $150 in the plastic container. See? Told you. And they've already raised $300 through GoFundMe. I mean, this story is how many days old? It's probably surpassed that. Probably a thousand by now. Now this girl's going to college. Whatever it is. Yeah, it was three days ago. What a scumbag. It is worse. The PlayStation is definitely worth more than that. but it's worse that he stole that, right? Like we're all like, oh, come on, right? Yeah. It is. I knew a guy, I knew two guys, because this story has two guys in it. This guy's living in Atlanta. We'd all go visit him, no big deal. Crash this place, super chill. This one guy went up there, and when he left, this is because this guy was at work when he left, took his jar full of quarters, just took it without asking, for like you know because he was just kind of down and out and also needed for like the tolls driving home or whatever gas and that moment the guy was like he's he's like Sean could have asked me for a hundred bucks I would have given it to him right but the fact that he stole this jar for quarters I'm never talking to him again good for him that's how it ended and the guy could just say hey man I'm tight you give me a bunch of a share here you go yeah it's fucked up you know Stealing the little shit, because sometimes it gets you... And we're shit. Yep. Alright, we're going over to Bennington. Police hunt for Massachusetts teen and poltergeist murderer. So we can see this guy throwing up a gang sign in the picture, which is the... I mean, Matt, if I say he's doing the shocker, does that mean anything to you? No. Okay, then I'll move on. I think I know what it could be, and I'm not so sure. Is it where people really are being murdered, like more or tortured for sexual pleasure? No, no, this is gang stuff. This is a... Oh, okay. Oh, that's fine then. Just let them kill each other, right? Yeah, just, you know, clean the streets. No, this, anyway, the hand sign is a... If anyone's listening and I say this shocker, either you know or you don't know, This guy's thorough. All right, moving on. So this was a teen from Chicopee, Massachusetts Wanted for the brutal stabbing in February that left one man dead in the roadway of a Pownall trailer park As local children made their way home from school. Three o'clock in the afternoon. You're supposed to do your stabbings at night, right? I mean early morning inside, you know, yeah I mean, a broad daylight stabbing is a pretty bold move, so I'm guessing this was over drugs. I think so. And the guy who witnessed that told police, his name is Gross, the guy who died. The killer, or the alleged killer, is Eliza Coppage. And this Casey Gross was in the passenger seat of a Subaru in front of the 374 Chickadee Drive, arguing with another individual. The argument soon escalated with a witness seeing the other male wearing a large knife sheath on his waist, standing outside the open passenger door, punching Gras. He exited the vehicle and the fighting continued. The witnesses then noticed Gras was walking toward his property as another male knocked on the door of the trailer. The Subaru was parked in front, yelling to let him in. the witnesses that told Gras to get off his property as the other male walked towards Gras. So this guy, he's trying to get in his trailer, and the person doesn't let him in, and then he gets murdered. Not his trailer, the other trailer. Another trailer. It was somebody just... I'm not involved with this. I see a dude with a knife walking towards you. I don't, uh-uh, uh-uh. Don't come in here. Don't get us both knifed. You know, like, what would you do? Yeah. I guess you could let him in and close the door, but like, then what? Does a guy with a knife have a gun? How does this end? How quick do the cops get out to a trailer park in Bennington? I don't know. Yeah. What would you do, Glo? I was taking care of business. Oh, Glo's day trading. So, Glo, here's the scenario. Okay. You're in your trailer park. You're just chill out Glo. You're just like, you know what? I'm in a trailer park. Made a couple bad day trades. Here we are, right? Just chilling out. You're like, I don't interact with my neighbors, whatever, I say hi, whatever. You look outside, you're like, there's a scuffle. Some dude is punching a dude through a window in a Subaru. The guy in the Subaru jumps out, starts running, and then the guy behind him pulls out a knife. The guy running runs to your door, and he's like, let me in, let me in, let me in. Did you let him in? I think so. All right. And then this person did not, and so he just got knifed. Well, it's unclear whether he was knifed already, or, because, um, then it says, because the next sentence is, uh, Grass, mortally wounded, ran across the dirt roadway for about 30 feet, moaning in pain, then collapsed next to a tall fence. Well, that makes me think he ran the other way. Like, he just ran away. Right. We need a map. This story needs a map. Yeah. Yeah, but he died in front of a bunch of kids. He died just as the neighborhood school children were let off the school bus. They must be used to that, they live in a trailer park in Bennington. They probably step over bodies all the time. So you knife this guy, you just jump back in your ride and take off I guess? I'm glad they got this guy. I mean, if you knife someone out in the open, even in a trailer park, there's probably cameras. People probably have Nest cameras, even more so than anywhere else. I mean, if you lived in a trailer park, you'd have some cameras outside your place, right? Just to make sure. They'd probably get stolen. With the camera part? The camera? Yeah, it's like the doorbell camera, stuff like that. People don't know. Alright, moving on. Rutland Town Police say they're looking for a high-tech, relatively speaking, break-in this week. It's like, listen, we're not talking NASA. But we're talking, you know, it's pretty high-tech, it's rather than high-tech. Police Chief Ted Washburn said the department is investigating a burglary at Curtis Road, which they believe perpetrators used a Wi-Fi jamming device to disable security cameras. We just talked about that. I know, geez. Isn't that amazing? If we had known all these things were connected, we'd arrange them in such a way. Yeah. Crazy to think of that, that they can do that. Yeah, isn't that like, have you heard of such a thing? No, that's why I put a story on it. I never heard of it. I never heard of it either. But it makes sense that somebody would come up with that solution. And I wonder like what I have to do to make that happen. Like. Oh, you wanna be one of these guys? Hear me out, hear me out. Okay. Let's say I wanna test my own surveillance system to see how foolproof it is. Oh, yeah. So, like, what is the jamming device? Is it, like... Do I have, like, a giant radar thing that I'm, like, cranking? Like, is this something I can just keep in my pocket? Like, what is the device? A big thing on top of a car. It's going around in circles. That's what I'm thinking. What if I do it? How am I jamming it? That's my question. I guess... You can, the devices are all over the place where the design is for coding or programming, but with a couple modifications, you have a portable handheld Wi-Fi jammer. All right. And this cop says, cops, shut the fuck up by the way. This cop says, if you Google it, there are devices all over the place. Oh, great. It's like, thank you, cop. But don't Google it, he wanted to say. They believe that this is the first break-ins of the year for the town. Till next week, when they're all jamming security cameras. There'll be 40 of them next week. Damn. Alright, moving on to one of our favorite topics. Rutland. I was gonna say cocaine. Rutland cocaine. Rutland cocaine. Pretty short story. Yeah, a woman charged with exposing her child to crack cocaine was back in court on fresh drug charges. How does she still have her kid? Good question. I don't know Vermont kid law very well because I don't have one yet. But I know in Florida, it's really hard to get a child away from a mother. Really? Yeah, pretty hard. Hmm, doesn't matter if she's on drugs and all kinds of people are exposed to her daughter like pedophiles and I mean, I guess prove it, you know, like is the hard part, right? Like a little four year old is going to come forward and say, by the way, I've been probably a lot easier to get away from get them away from their fathers. Yes, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fathers don't do well in those kind of courts, those family courts. So what did this woman do? She had a crack pipe and other drug paraphernalia visible in her vehicle. And a police talk indicated the presence of drugs. Got a search warrant, search turn, vehicle turned, 24 grams of cocaine. Again. Again, is that a lot of cocaine? I don't know. Is that personal use? 24 grams. Seems like a lot. That does sound a little heavier than the other one. What's 24 grams of sugar? Hmm, I can always run to the pantry over here. I need to know, I wish they put cocaine in tablespoons. How many teaspoons of cocaine is that? That's what I need to know. You're too lazy to learn metric. Oh no, just tell me the... 24 grams is 0.84 ounces. Okay, but that's a lot point eight four ounces, but like that's a lot of cocaine Doesn't it take 16 ounces to be a pound 4 what's a point eight four Ounces, so it's almost a full ounce. So how many grams is this 24? Okay, so four point two grams is a teaspoon 28 grams in an ounce 24 grams? I'm going to Google. I'm doing the old, no not water, we're doing, I mean I'm using powdered sugar, Matt is that the closest equivalent you think? I'm using cocaine. Oh. That's not on my list here. Okay. Is it, so I use powdered sugar, should I use flour, what's the closest? It was just, no actually I use 24 grams dialysis. All right, so 24 grams of powdered sugar is roughly 6 teaspoons, right? TSP? Teaspoon. Teaspoons, okay. So, it's, I mean, again, I don't know how much cocaine you use on a daily basis if you're... Well, I mean, you used to, back in the day, when you were buying cocaine you bought it in grams I mean just off the street a little thunderstorm coming in or something but uh so almost an ounce of rock or something did she she had rock cocaine or something crack cocaine that was just yeah well that's a lot that's almost an ounce an ounce is worth 10 grand probably are you kidding I don't know I I'm so confused by all this Gramps stuff. Just give it to me in bakery terms. I want tablespoons. I want teaspoons. Like, is it a cup of cocaine? That seems like a lot. All right, moving on. Anyway, she's done. Yeah. Take your kid away. Yes. Jesus Christ. What do you have to do to get your kid taken away? But again, like taking away where? I know. I know. There's so many kids. Like, put the kid in some shitty detention home where they're gonna be a shitty person. There isn't any shitty detention homes. There's just shitty people. I mean, there's some good people that take care of these. Whoa, look at the storm. We all pause to look at a crazy storm happening suddenly. Y'all ain't walking, are you? No. Okay. No. Her dad is gonna come 5 o'clock to get her here. So. That's good. Yeah. We'll be done by then. All right, quickly moving on. Newport, man charged with second degree domestic assault. Looks like a nice enough guy. I think this guy's a relative of mine. Oh, that explains it. I saw that last name. My mother had an aunt who married Uncle Billy. And I can't remember her name now. Oh my god. But anyway, she got killed in a car accident one year. But Uncle Billy, his last name was Malshek. And Uncle Billy was a guy who fought in World War II. And he was a Marine in Asia, or in Japan, you know, fighting over there, whatever. And he was a fucking crazy lunatic drunk. So, but the last name was Malshek. And it was a crazy, their kids were crazy, or two of them, the boys were, the girl wasn't so bad, but you know, so he's probably a spawn of this, you know, PTSD grandfather who was a lunatic, especially when he drank. Is spawn ever used positively? No. Nope. Like, it was like, oh, oh, you're, uh, you're Nicole Spahn. It's like, oh, nice to meet you. Now it's always like Spahn of this heartless bitch. It's always like, yeah, I don't know if he is, but I just saw this last night. Oh, God. Let's assume he is. Yeah. Well, Dana Malfik. All right, moving on. Staying up in your old neck of the woods, Matt. St. John'sbury man arrested on suspicion of a DUI after two collisions. Gee, what does it take? Wow. Should have got him after the first one. So, he hit a truck at 4.01. This is in the afternoon. PM, yeah, yeah. happen and then he he hits uh... for twenty one he uh... when he had next and say another collision rear-ended car so in twenty minutes he had two cars that's a yahtzee and then he was the uh... that's uh... uh... and then he was arrested and charged with driving under the influence of drugs after police responded to a report of a man rolling in the snow at Northeastern Vermont Regional Hospital in the parking lot so he's rolling in the snow in the parking lot. In glee? I guess he was happy he was doing some angels. He was doing some cocaine angels. Or he's drunk, I don't know. Paired by drugs. This is not the same story right? No. Alright so this is also St. Johnsbury. A Barnett man was arrested and charged with driving under the influence of drugs I should please respond to a port of a minute. Oh this is the same story Or different. I think you conflated that rolling in the snow guy with the other guy. I think it's two different guys Oh, is there okay, so we got a DUI guy Not rolling in the snow And we got a second. Oh, yeah, I was talking about the wrong story guy caught rolling in the snow Yeah, oh, what by the way the news Newport dispatch is my new favorite newspaper in Vermont. Yeah, they actually have stories Yeah, it's mostly criminals Nothing. Don't worry about it. Yeah, he's on drugs. So we'll move on. Refused medical attention. Wrong way driver arrested of suspicion of DUI in Sharon, Vermont. You'll get a lot of Sharon stories. Sharon's actually a pretty small town. Also, where is Sharon? It's the first, you know, if you're coming up 89, it's the first rest area on the right. It's that big one. From New Hampshire? Yeah, it's like exit between... From where? Where am I coming from? From 2 and 3. If you're coming from New Hampshire, it's a big... that's where the Sharon rest area is located. That's the one where they recycle the toilet water through like sort of a swampy plant area there that you can look over if you'd like to smell it, but I wouldn't advise it. But it's pretty cool that they did that. So they are able to use a lot of their gray water coming from the sinks, I think. is what's watering. I'm not sure. I doubt the toilet. I mean, I don't think it cleans it that well. Yeah, but, but Sharon is right is around south the Royalton. That area. Oh, yeah, where we used to go to Worthy Burger. Yeah, no longer. No, I know. Your story was enough. It's enough to it just ruins it. When you charge so much for some things that okay it's just getting all it's getting out of hand quick recap two burgers two beers $64 mm-hmm it's a bit much yeah when it used to be 30 something like like like a few years ago yeah so this woman facing DUI charges actually says she was found driving the wrong way on interstate 89 That's hard to do. Yeah, exactly. That's many mistakes. Yeah, that's the thing. If you see that, there's a 99% chance that they're drunk. Now, I had a friend, well, he wasn't my friend at the time, but he was a friend before that, and he died doing that. On purpose? That was the suspicion. We suspected that he was doing it to commit suicide, but he also killed a woman. Oh, no. Yeah, we don't celebrate his decision. So I wonder if maybe she was doing something similar, or if she was just straight up out of her mind, drunk. It was 1 AM. No excuse, but. Well, it does get foggy sometimes. He has a big head. It gets foggy. This is northern South. Why are all the lights coming at me? I mean, that could happen, because that almost happened to me once on 91. in coming from Lindenville to St. Johnsbury. It was so foggy, I couldn't see how to get off. And I ended up down in Peacham and had to turn around, but it was still, I was so scared. It was scary. You'd be amazed how bad it could be. This woman has a big head. Okay. She needs different glasses. Matt doesn't like her fashion. It should be an optometrist. Match it? It should be. Yeah, you know, so he could pick out the really good glasses, frames. I mean, because other than that, really, anyway, we don't want to go there. Well, no, no, no, continue, you're going to say optometrists don't do much? Is that the road you're walking down? Where they really make their money is selling frames, I think. And besides being very, very expensive. Can I ask my optometrist for my prescription? Yes, and not only that, they legally are bound to give it to you, or even they're not even supposed to, they're supposed to just give it to you, period. I had to actually look into it because my optometrist wasn't doing that. She wanted to charge you. We're not going to say the name of that place. No. She wanted to charge you for it, right? Yeah. Did you have to like, subpoena her? No, I'm kidding. Anyway, but let's get back to the story. The story's over. The show is over. Oh, the show's over? Yeah, we're done. When did that happen? Just now. Oh, okay. Anything else on your mind? We can riff if you have anything you'd like to talk about. No, I mean, not really. As soon as I click stopping recording, you're going to say a bunch of stuff. Okay, so leave it on, leave it on. I'll just... I'll do this. Alright, show's over. Peace! Bye. Alright. The button is the most dangerous button in the world. You mean this button? Oh, I'm sorry.

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