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Unsheathing the Past: A Retrospective on X-Men's Cinematic Debut and Pop Culture Reflections ep195
Time travel with us to the dawn of the millennium as Wolverine's claws first flash across the silver screen. With my trusty Wolverine action figure in hand, Tom, alongside Mitch, unravel the tapestry of the X-Men's cinematic saga. We dissect the raw emotion of Magneto's origin, Rogue's devastating power unveiling, and the political chess game embedded in this superhero epic. Our banter, peppered with personal recounts and a critical eye on those early special effects, offers a fresh perspective on the X-Men's leap from page to motion picture.
As claws clash, we revisit Wolverine's gritty bar brawl debut and Rogue's poignant journey alongside him. We recount the thrill of Storm and Cyclops swooping in for a daring rescue and Wolverine's tumultuous 'good morning' at the X-Mansion. Our chat ventures into every nook and cranny, from the film's meticulous plot construction to the interactions that flesh out the mutant world, and even the logistics behind those superpowers. Wolverine's enigmatic past is not the only mystery we tackle—join us for a deep dive into the dynamics of this pioneering superhero flick.
But wait, there's more than just mutant mayhem! We round out our session with a cultural pivot to the small screen, as Tom shares his latest Call of Duty triumphs and dish on "The Rookie" and the gripping historical drama "Shogun." Plus, dive into the emotional whirlpool that is "Iron Claw," the story of the Von Erich wrestling dynasty, and how it captures the essence of tragedy and resilience. It's an episode jam-packed with nostalgia, analysis, and a side of pop culture musings that'll have you eager to rewatch the X-Men with fresh eyes.
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Time travel with us to the dawn of the millennium as Wolverine's claws first flash across the silver screen. With my trusty Wolverine action figure in hand, Tom, alongside Mitch, unravel the tapestry of the X-Men's cinematic saga. We dissect the raw emotion of Magneto's origin, Rogue's devastating power unveiling, and the political chess game embedded in this superhero epic. Our banter, peppered with personal recounts and a critical eye on those early special effects, offers a fresh perspective on the X-Men's leap from page to motion picture.
As claws clash, we revisit Wolverine's gritty bar brawl debut and Rogue's poignant journey alongside him. We recount the thrill of Storm and Cyclops swooping in for a daring rescue and Wolverine's tumultuous 'good morning' at the X-Mansion. Our chat ventures into every nook and cranny, from the film's meticulous plot construction to the interactions that flesh out the mutant world, and even the logistics behind those superpowers. Wolverine's enigmatic past is not the only mystery we tackle—join us for a deep dive into the dynamics of this pioneering superhero flick.
But wait, there's more than just mutant mayhem! We round out our session with a cultural pivot to the small screen, as Tom shares his latest Call of Duty triumphs and dish on "The Rookie" and the gripping historical drama "Shogun." Plus, dive into the emotional whirlpool that is "Iron Claw," the story of the Von Erich wrestling dynasty, and how it captures the essence of tragedy and resilience. It's an episode jam-packed with nostalgia, analysis, and a side of pop culture musings that'll have you eager to rewatch the X-Men with fresh eyes.
Could you design a video game?
Listen on: Apple Podcasts Spotify
We never recorded. I don't even know if I scrub this every car.
Speaker 2:We'll find out if it stopped recording the midway through.
Speaker 1:Well it says 28 hours. I don't think we're going to talk that long about X-Men.
Speaker 2:Surely not.
Speaker 1:Hello, welcome to Entertainment this. It's a podcast about movies, tv shows and video games. My name's Tom. With me I have Mitch, and Thank you for making the trip all the way from the Shire. I know it's quite a walk. In this episode of Entertainment this, we're doing another one of what Mitch wants to do. What do you mean? You suggested it.
Speaker 1:Where he makes me watch a movie and then we got to talk about it like we've done with Predator. I didn't need any convincing with Predator. You suggested this one, I did. We're talking about the 2000 movie.
Speaker 2:X-Men 2000? 24 years old.
Speaker 1:I remember when it came out. I remember having the Wolverine action figure and sitting in the theater with it, and my brother had it too because, god forbid, you know, he had saber tooth because I wanted Wolverine. Anyway, before we start talking about this social media, mitch.
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Speaker 1:Those things, those places.
Speaker 2:I did it without fumbling over. That was impressive.
Speaker 1:You didn't even read. You don't even have your glasses on. Who even are you? Did you get LASIK? No, still can't see nothing.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no glasses how many fingers? Well, I can see that from here. I just can't read, like I can barely read the words on the sign. I can barely read the words on that back. It's so tiny I can see things I can't read. I gotta hold it up.
Speaker 1:I gotta be like okay, what am I looking at? Okay, that's what. I'm, all right, let me read that. Well, I gotta do like the down tilt because for some reason, the more you tilt your head down, the better you can see If you're asked to come in. I don't know why. It's just how things are. It's physics. We're talking about the first X-Men movie. Yes, was it 2000? Was it Brian Singer?
Speaker 2:I think so. Yes, I'm pretty sure it was yeah.
Speaker 1:You did, you did write that down.
Speaker 2:I did write it down and I remembered it.
Speaker 1:Here we go. I mean, what an intro.
Speaker 2:So 1990s, so very early to yeah the whole CGI.
Speaker 1:It was way cooler in theater.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I was telling Tom. I was like watching it on a modern TV. It really looks kind of bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like on my giant TV. I was kind of like this is.
Speaker 2:Dude, like you could tell, it looks like video game kind of graphics, like early, like PS2.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Kind of like that intro where it's like you turn it on, it's like whoo and it was like stupid loud. Yeah, your TV would shake.
Speaker 2:But then it cuts to what I feel is one of the better like scenes in a movie for superheroes. Yeah, is a Magneto.
Speaker 1:Magneto in the? I'm not occupied.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the concentration camp Mm-hmm. To me that's one of the best like comic book movie scenes.
Speaker 1:For those of you who have never seen the film, I mean they show. It's obviously like some sort of concentration camp. You got Nazis, machine guns, dogs, jews walking and they're like separating them. They separate young who you realize is Magneto, yeah From his parents. They're crying, they're getting dragged away, he's getting dragged away. And then he's like sitting there crying and then he like kind of runs after them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you recognize is Magneto.
Speaker 1:after the fact Well, you realize, because of what he does? Yeah, because he's there, like they're trying to drag him back and he's like screaming, like reaching out for him, and then like he start, like the gates that they're behind start to bend to his hands and like four guards are trying to like restrain him, like he's not even touching the ground. No, like he's touching the ground. His feet are on the ground.
Speaker 1:Well, not at the end though, Like they're still trying to hold him yeah but he's literally getting like they're dragging, yeah, like they're getting drug into the gates, because he's like pulling it with his mutant powers. They're obviously awakening at the time. Then he gets KO'd in the face. Yeah, and the gates are all mangled up and you're like, oh, if you knew about X-Men. You know, Magnetic Field and Metal manipulation is Magneto.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Like I said, that's that. To me that's one of the better scenes in a superhero movie because it just it gets that emotion. But then it's also pretty cool that, like as a kid, he's like tearing this apart.
Speaker 1:but Well, he just got the power already trying to destroy gates.
Speaker 2:And then, after that scene, it goes on to you see Rogue for the first time, where she discovers her powers, which is her boyfriend.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that kid was like whoa that woman packs a wallop in a kiss.
Speaker 2:He was a lucky guy for all of three seconds.
Speaker 1:And then all of a sudden it's like the, the, like the light shimmer thing goes across his face and like all the veins start popping out.
Speaker 2:He's like yeah, he goes in like a seizure state and start she starts screaming, the parents running yeah, that was. I think it cuts to the Senate hearing oh yeah.
Speaker 1:And, like Jean Gray, is like testifying. And then that one dude, senator Kelly, who's that guy's such a pompous?
Speaker 2:You got Jean Gray and Senator Kelly kind of not arguing but like they're both.
Speaker 1:He's kind of like a Trump. Yeah, a little bit, a little bit, but the whole like mutant legislation, like should it be legal, should it not be? We're meeting to have to register.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like with the government, who they are, what their names and what their powers are.
Speaker 2:But you know what? What would your, what would be your stance on that?
Speaker 1:Cause it's just like you know some of their powers. It's like you know, yeah, like they can walk in through walls and like like he's like, he's like one of them can run through walls. It's like what's going to stop him from running in a bank? It's like normal people all around. We have laws. People still break them. Yeah, what does it make? Yeah, really, just because they have powers.
Speaker 2:I mean to me that would just encourage people not to share and you won't know until it's too late, unless it's like a mistake. Where you know, you can see that she's different.
Speaker 1:But or beast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, if I was Magneto I would mess with people all the time and I wouldn't tell the soul, I'd just be like it's my with a door Like jingle the keys in their pocket while they're walking. Yeah, Like could you imagine if you had those powers?
Speaker 1:I'm doing people's belts. Oh no, that sounds kind of Creeper. It wasn't that creepy. You're creepy, but you say like you're standing there and there's just like some jerk, and you're just like he's just being loud. You just kind of, like you know, wave your hand a little bit or just think about it and all of a sudden his pants come down and everybody's like, ah, look at him.
Speaker 2:Although you wouldn't never have to worry about traffic again. You'd be like part of the Red Seed.
Speaker 1:I need all the cars.
Speaker 2:Everybody crashes and just like huh, I don't know what happened there. That was weird, but uh, anyways, you have Jean Gray and Senator Kelly where they're discussing back and forth on the wrongs and rights.
Speaker 1:And he just pulls the if I shout and I'm louder, right. He starts listing off a different people, and I like how they were really worried about a girl who could run through walls, knowing what mutants are really capable of.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like this was like brand new. I guess you guys hadn't really gotten the full spectrum.
Speaker 2:Right, Because that's it. Then this movie is where they're kind of realizing that mutants are a thing for a more broad scale. But yeah, then after the Senate hearings over, you have Xavier goes to leave but he sees Eric, which is Magneto, like in the distance. That kind of meat.
Speaker 1:The two of them were perfect.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Because I mean I was in a show like Magneto was like jacked, he had whiter, he had white hair but he had like an opponent. Tail was long. He was still like a I guess like a middle-aged guy, which is white hair, yeah, and he was an imposing person. But like seeing it with like me and McKellen, you're just kind of like he's kind of old but it's like he ain't taking no mess either.
Speaker 2:He fit the personality very well.
Speaker 1:And it was weird seeing him as a villain.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But at the time it really wasn't weird, because this is before Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 2:No, actually they had to actually change his filming schedule so he could finish Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, they were filming at the same time, but Lord of the Rings didn't come out. The first one didn't come out until 2001. Right, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then they had to change his schedule on this so that he could finish that, because I really wanted him there.
Speaker 1:I gotta go be a guy called Magneto. I don't know what it is, but they're going to pay me a lot of money.
Speaker 2:After that it goes on to the fight scene where Logan's like in the cage at the bar and that's like his coolest introduction. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because, like Rogue, she's like hitchhiking. She ends up, like you know, he's supposed to take me, like whatever city, and it's like a couple of like metal sheds and some burning barrels and that's it. All right, it's Canada. That's weird.
Speaker 2:Funny fact the guy that drops her off is actually the voice of Beast in the cartoon.
Speaker 1:Is it really? Yeah, I forgot his name but yeah, he's pretty good.
Speaker 2:I was looking up you know trivia about it. He's actually the guy that does the voice for Beast in the show in the cartoon.
Speaker 1:So she goes, she watches some dude. Just get the crap beat out of him. And you got like Logan, like Wolverine's got his back and he's smoking a cigar, he's got whiskey, he's just got no shirt on. He's being all young Hugh Jackman. And then they're like, oh, this guy take their money. And then some, like stone cold wannabe, stands up and he's like, I'll fight him.
Speaker 1:And they're like yeah. And then the guy like private house is like don't hit him in the balls. And he's like he's like as long as the cage fight, anything goes, he goes. Yeah, it does, but he'll take it personal. And I'm like okay. And he just like jumps Wolverine from behind and the coolest thing in the theater is like all of us are watching like oh, this is dude just getting beat up and he punches the guy right in the hand as he's swinging to hear the metal clink and the dude's hand just goes yeah, and everybody's like oh wasn't when he beats him up and then he headbutts him.
Speaker 2:I like it when he goes.
Speaker 1:And he just kicks the guy and they're like, oh, he thought he had a chance.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, then you know. After that it goes on to the part where Rowe sitting at the diner the bar. The bar and she's like looking at the money and he's slide.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is like uh-huh. Then Logan sits down and the guy was a bear and the guy's like you owe me money. It's like nobody takes a beating like that. It doesn't have a mark to show for it. He's like get out of here, You're going to lose something more than your money. And the guy like pulls a knife on him and then Logan's not having it.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, because that's when you first see like his claws.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it was cool because he, because, like they show like the Knuckle view where you see, well, the outer two come out to pin them and then the middle one comes out slowly, like right to the neck, and he's just like uh-huh, yeah, and then the guy like puts the shotgun barrel in. Jackman's head and he just kind of like looks and just goes and turns and slices it in half.
Speaker 2:I don't know what's cool, because you had like all the grains and stuff from the pellets.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was a nice touch. Yeah, that was a nice touch, because you probably wouldn't see that now.
Speaker 2:No, but after that then he leaves and runs after.
Speaker 1:He's driving, he's like, and then he stops and gets out and he looks at the back of his little trailer and just goes like she's covered up later than that.
Speaker 2:She's like hello.
Speaker 1:And she's like go to leave her. And he drives and he just stops. He's like I can't, let me come on. You can't leave a minor in the middle of Canada in the winter.
Speaker 2:I'll just sit standing on the road.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But yeah, then they kind of get to their little uh talking where they're, you know, introducing themselves, and that's when uh there's like an ambush.
Speaker 1:One of the hardest lines kind of happens, though, or like coolest lines, I think with Wolverine, because like they're driving and he just she just kind of like looks at his hands and then she goes like does it hurt? Like when they come out, and he just looks at his knuckle and just goes every time. But he kind of says like every time it's like, yeah, stoic, love it. And then she's like you should really wear a seatbelt.
Speaker 1:It's like now look, kid boom, he's just flying right up the windshield, yeah, and he's like skipping across the snowy road and then like that was like really cool Cause like in the theater it looked way better in 2000 than it is now. The CG for his the wounds, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, it's just cool that he stands up and you just see like the wounds, like he's like.
Speaker 1:And then he like looks at her and she's just like kind of like, oh crap, like he's messed up. And then she watches the wounds close on his face and she's like like you didn't know he already had powers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, yeah, but she didn't know to the extent. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But like that was, the coolest bit is what happens next.
Speaker 2:Well, that's because that's when saber two jumps out and they start fighting.
Speaker 1:Well, no, the cool. He's walking up and she's like, oh, I'm stuck and like the the trailer thing is like catching on fire.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And he's like walking, and then he's just stops because he looks at the tree and he like looks around and he goes. He's like starts like smelling, he's like looking around and then the claws come out already. And he's just like saying he goes, and then Sabertooth comes flying out of the woods. I was like, yeah, my brother like went through the ceiling in the theater and just scared the crap out of him. Amazing.
Speaker 2:And then at this point is where you can get introduced to a storm and cyclops, because they come floating down and that she storm blows Sabertooth away and the cyclops like break the little seatbelt and gets her out of the car before it blows up. Mm, hmm, because then it kind of cuts to a Sabertooth having to report back to Magneto and I thought it was cool. He's like sitting there and you got like the little I forgot to.
Speaker 1:You have the pendulum, like balls like going back with the kinetic energy, like yeah you hold nothing, there's just floating there, just doing it perfectly. Magneto is just like sitting there, not paying attention. It's like the concentration, the power.
Speaker 2:But yeah, sabertooth has to report back to Magneto about how he failed and Magneto just kind of storms off, but it's all right. Um, then it goes to Logan waking up in the X mansion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like getting like analyzed by Jean Gray and then he like freaks out, takes her hostage for a second and then just runs chokes her out, runs off, and then you hear like hey, where you go, Like the, basically you know it's Patrick's professor X.
Speaker 2:Just like talking to him, mentally talking to him.
Speaker 1:And then like me, while he's teaching a physics class upstairs, like he's like doing all this simultaneously, and then like he makes it up there and he's like hiding from everybody, and then he ends up in the classroom and then he's like, well, well, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2:Cause you get here, you get like a small glimpse of some of the other characters. You get to see Iceman for a couple of seconds. You see, kitty pride, she runs out the door.
Speaker 1:Jubilee's in there. You see Pyro, you see Iceman Jubilee. It's pretty neat.
Speaker 2:And then that's when he's like talking to him and he kind of confronts him Like he's telling me, you know, he wants to know what, why he's here.
Speaker 1:It's like it's been 15 years, hasn't it? And he's like shut up.
Speaker 2:But like when he's introducing, she's like store Cyclops.
Speaker 1:What do they call you Wheels this movie was good, Like I don't know Nobody should hate this movie Like this movie was just pretty well done. This is solid like eight out of 10 film eight and a half to add a 10 superhero movie before, like the Marvel. Oh yeah, for the.
Speaker 1:MCU just went nuts, but I like he was walking and he's like, he's like, he's crazy, he's like going to walk out and Cyclops just stand there and he goes, cyclops right, and he's like yeah, and he just grabs him and he's just like you want to get out of my way, I like how he just like leans over and looks at Professor Xavier, Like can I please? Like, I blast this guy through the wall, so okay. So who?
Speaker 2:would win Cyclops or Wolverine. Wolverine, you think so. He can heal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you don't think. Cyclops and he has the reflexes.
Speaker 2:Cyclops could knock him out and just keep him down.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't know because I don't know how much true damage, at least in the comics.
Speaker 2:Cyclops can like take out a mountain Like he's. He's knocked a hole through a mountain before, so I don't know how that. Well, I mean is that with the visor, Doesn't the visor?
Speaker 1:amplify no, or like channel.
Speaker 2:I can just focus.
Speaker 1:Is it where he can turn it on?
Speaker 2:and off and still see, but like if he takes his glasses off, I mean he has no control.
Speaker 1:No, she's just open and closed stuff. It's just going wild.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Maybe a good fight. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Anyways, we'll move to. The next scene is Senator Kelly is where he gets kidnapped in the chopper by a toad. And the mystique, yeah, the mystique thing.
Speaker 1:Like when people people first saw that that was like CGI, like had made it. Yeah, like we're there like the future is now where she like turns it. This is just a thing and everybody's like holy crap.
Speaker 2:That's what somebody said, that to do the CGI. Basically they programmed like thousands of like scales, like like a lizard to a you know, repeat over and over until it went all the way across her body, which was kind of neat, but that's where she like kicks him in the face. She's going pop, pop, pop, pop. Supposedly she actually kicked him in that scene.
Speaker 1:He probably needed it. He looks like he was a.
Speaker 2:But after, after he gets kidnapped, it goes back to Jim Running medical test on Logan. She's kind of telling him, she's kind of telling the X men about, like, his skeleton and stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because they're like looking and it's just like it's like a near nine destructible metal. It's like it's bonded to his entire skeleton and they're trying to figure out like who could have done this to it? Like his eight accelerated healing factors. Like it makes his age like indeterminable. It's like he's could be older than all of us like combined.
Speaker 2:Right After kind of discussing Wolverine, it goes back to Senator Kelly where he's exposed to Magneto's machine, like he's sitting there in the chair, and Magneto gets up there and you have that white light start pulsating out.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:He gets turned into the a mutant, basically himself.
Speaker 1:It activates like the mutation, or like the radiation causes like people to mutate. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Then you got goes to Gene showing Logan.
Speaker 1:I will say like the overall plot though of this movie as far as, like a bad guy trying to do something, probably is the best yeah. I mean because he's like the motivation and execution because is pretty.
Speaker 2:Magneto has a point Like he's he's got a point, he's just going about the wrong way. That's why he's the villain. Yeah, because you know they are. They are like hounding them and you know persecuting them. But he's kind of like his philosophy is like we'll kill them or convert them. So yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1:And then we got like Ro going to school, she meets pyro because he does like the flaming ball in his hand and then ice man turns it in the ice. Yeah, which I don't know how you turn fire into ice. Yeah, but then again it's their meeting. So you know they come up through walls and fly and have claws coming out of their forearms. It's fine.
Speaker 2:And then you also got the scene where Gene showing Logan his room like where he's going to be staying, and he's putting the moves. Yeah, and the Cyclops shows up. He was like if she was my girl, I would have to tell you, stay away. And then he walks out of the room. Stay away from a girl.
Speaker 1:It's like hey, that's, that's 2000, hugh Jackman.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then he's like you better be worried, scott Summers, he's going to get better looking and jacked like he's going to get more muscular. Yeah, because even then, like that was considered like oh man, he got bulked up and ripped for a superhero movie. I feel like and then you see, like the Wolverine. That one is where he's like the biggest and it's like holy crap, like what are you? Like 50, like.
Speaker 2:But the next scene? It goes to where Logan's having his nightmares and a road goes into wake him up.
Speaker 1:I would. I'd be staying like way off to the side. I'm like let's wake up the dude. We don't know how old he is. He has memory problems. He has metal claws. We can't destroy that. Shoot out of his knuckles, is she?
Speaker 2:doesn't really know about his memory problems on that though, no, I think she does. She wakes him up.
Speaker 1:He's having flashbacks to the adamantium bonding process and he just pops up and like God, just like claws, right through the chest.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then I mean she does like the only thing she could do is she touches him to get this healing powers.
Speaker 2:I thought was a good thing to show because you know you see her like take the other guys and like almost killing. This actually shows that she can take other mutants power.
Speaker 1:So yeah. So I thought she gets the powers and life force from somebody because, like in the comic books, like she could literally just go tap you and got it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and this is more like it holds and like it'll kill him for the like the animated series in that series she had held on to Miss. Marvel for too long, and that's how she got, like, the permanent powers of flight super, strike them all out. The next thing it goes to is Senator Kelly, where he's in the jail cell. Yeah, and he's like putting his head through his head.
Speaker 1:Like to like the fishy things, like like goops through the bars. He's turned into goop. He's the goop. But then he like washes a shore, like well, they show up and like he's like falling, like he's like waters, like shooting out of his wrist, yeah, and then like his clothes just rip and then saber to just turns and like, hold stuff like his sleeve and Magnus like, and he walks out and these clothes, like Matt, you know, re puts the bars and just he puts it. He's, like you know, insert roar.
Speaker 2:But then Senator Kelly walks on shore like completely naked and I found out that's actually the last scene they shot for the movie was him walking up on the beach.
Speaker 1:Well, he comes like one of his gills and everything. He adapted the water. Yeah, so I wonder if they put him in water If he wouldn't have died.
Speaker 2:Well, I think about that because I forgot he has the gills. But he walks up and then you kind of see him looking at the TV and he grabs as he like, turning like normal, and he like steals clothes. Then you have Mystique disguised as Bobby. She like scares roads. Yeah yeah, I actually met him one time.
Speaker 1:You met him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:He was at a Somewhere in Lawrenceville at the you remember folks restaurant.
Speaker 1:Yeah, kind of close to Sunnies barbecue, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:He was actually coming in there as I was going out.
Speaker 1:Were you just like oh.
Speaker 2:I was. I was. I was like I didn't want to bother too much because he was with his wife and kid and I was like I love your stuff. Was he like it kind of looked at me strange, but I knew who he was.
Speaker 1:I knew it was him because he's on the reason, the show, the rookie.
Speaker 2:He's on the rookie. I remember him for being like an animorphs.
Speaker 1:He was lamp lighter. Yeah, in the boys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I remember him on smallville. He was on an episode for like Two or three episodes he was in there, so I knew, I knew it was him, you could tell. You know when you say yeah, I knew Sean Ashmore, not Aaron Ashmore. We like Sure so yeah, where was I? Anyways?
Speaker 1:oh, he scares Well yeah mystique, impersonating ice man, tells rogue that Xavier's pissed of what she did and like tells her to Like get the hell out of here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so she runs away. But then it kind of reveals its mystique yeah, cuz he's like they does, like them, yeah, the eye flash.
Speaker 1:Yeah and they're like, oh, but nobody else saw it, of course. Yeah, it's like mystique had to pretend to be a student, like go to school, just for this. It's like I gotta say, like what if she was like doing homework? It's like, look, I'm here to like do, but I'm not gonna let this kids grade slip either.
Speaker 2:It goes on to Xavier showing Logan like cerebral and explaining like what it is and all that stuff.
Speaker 1:And that's how they're gonna track rogue. They find out rogues at the train station.
Speaker 2:Which kind of there's like three scenes they're technically happening like at the same time when you have rogue at the train station and magneto shows up on the train after Logan comes and like the talks to her.
Speaker 1:Because like they didn't want Logan to go, because they thought Magneto was after Logan, right, Logan's like yeah, okay so he goes. Xavier sends cyclops and storm right, and then I think, no, kelly doesn't show up, then no, I think Kelly does show up, not right then? All right then.
Speaker 2:But yeah, he's like, uh magneto shows up and like he like holds.
Speaker 1:We'll bring out, and he's like that metal doesn't go through your entire body does it. And he's like playing with them and he's like sort of stretching out the claws. Then he like eats him through, like the cars.
Speaker 2:That's where you find out. He was actually after road.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he's like dear boys, I Never thought I was after you. And he like looks at rogue, like oh no, we screwed up, this is by it. And then they show up what's his face saber to? Just comes stomping through the train station lobby. You see the background guy goes like ah, and, like you know, you grab storm. And then toad shows up, which is ray park, who played darth mall. I like how we kind of had a darth mall moment later in the movie, then doing the flips and stuff, yeah, no, with the pole, where he does like yeah.
Speaker 1:We kind of has like, oh, I like darth mall, but then, uh, he shows up, he does, he tongues. That's what he did. He tongue, he tongue cyclops advisor, because he's about to blow up saber tooth from behind.
Speaker 2:But it sounds bad when you say he tongue.
Speaker 1:He tongueed him. He's like, let me get some. But yeah, he eats the cycle but he towed inadvertently, screws up hardcore because he literally Cyclops is. Like eyes were open when this happened. So he just looks up and it just goes right through the ceiling and just blows the roof off. But it's like cool, you've exposed the outside to now inside. And then storms, eyes turn white and everybody's like oh.
Speaker 2:I thought that was a cool like difference, because, like it doesn't happen, the comics or cartoons or no it was. It was a cool touch when she starts using her powers. It's a subtle thing like oh yeah and then you know 2000 holly berry because she has nothing that shows her using the powers until, like, the lightning strikes or something like that.
Speaker 1:So I thought it was a cool and then she electrocutes saber tooth, yeah, and then they get into a cool standoff outside.
Speaker 2:But while all this is taking place, mystique's actually still in the the mansion and she goes and like puts that poison stuff in cerebro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know how that works?
Speaker 2:I don't either, because it's it's like a chemical, but like one.
Speaker 1:Mitch, let's also think about this. This is a gigantic machine. That's a sphere inside of a building with a ramp that's centered to it that goes to, like you know the radius to the center.
Speaker 1:I'm not trying to explain how that a man in a wheelchair sits out, puts a helmet on that doesn't connect into anything, he just puts this metal thing on his head and he can find other mutants with his mind. How what she hooked up affected him the way it did, I don't know, but it did. I don't know the science behind it, mitch, because I'm pretty sure there isn't any that's all we need to know Is that it does affect him. But that's what she's messing with it.
Speaker 2:So she poisons the machine. Yes, um, then you have magneto walking out with rogue and like Uh, was it a saber?
Speaker 1:tooth and toad, they like face the cops and I got he's toads wearing the visor like on his head, like I got it.
Speaker 2:But then, uh, you have all like, all the cops point their guns and magneto takes their guns from them and points their guns back at them.
Speaker 1:That's cool, that was like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, there's just like nothing, what are you?
Speaker 1:gonna do at this point. And then all of a sudden saber tooth grabs magneto by the throat and he's just like, let him go. It's like letter. And then toad turns and looks and says more and it's just like, oh crap, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then magneto's like he knew what was happening the whole time.
Speaker 1:He's like where are you, chiles? He's going. Chiles, chiles, chiles, come quiet.
Speaker 2:But then, uh, because I have that like their dialogue back and forth, and magneto fires a gun and he stops the bullet, like on the guys forehead, and he's like I don't know if I can stop all of them chiles, so he lets them go and they escape and, um, it goes on to the next scene where you see senator kelly at the x mansion. He's like he shows up, yeah, looking for uh gene gray.
Speaker 1:And then like his, the mutation that he got, like the, whatever it was, the machine for magneto, the radiation. It's killing him because his body's rejecting it.
Speaker 2:It's like unstabilizing his DNA or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, his, his molecules are basically breaking down.
Speaker 2:Which is kind of weird that he just turns into straight water.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was weird, that was creepy, that's kind of like Like no blood or nothing, he just like.
Speaker 2:Like get a bucket and a mop um and then, uh, zavier See, was it zavier sees machine. That's what I wrote down.
Speaker 1:Because he reads kelly's mind. Oh, that's right, what?
Speaker 2:happened. That's right. I was like I don't remember this. But yeah, he reads kelly's mind and he sees magnetos machine and knows what he's doing. Um, and then now he also realizes why he wants rogue, and he's kind of explaining that to the x, because, like she can, she can take his powers and use them and keep magneto dying. But uh, then, uh, zavier goes to use the cerebro machine to try and find them, and that's when he gets corrupted and like or knocked out, so to speak.
Speaker 1:Yeah, whatever it did to him, incapacitated.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the next scene, like while uh scott's, they're checking on zavier, uh jeans and they're fixing the machine, and then she goes to put the machine on and you see scott like seizer yeah, knows that it's like too much or supposed to be too much for, even though she's far more powerful than all of them in that building combined, I just don't know that yet though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's x2 but she goes running after them and then the uh, like the doors closed behind them, our closes, you know, just before she he can get there, um, but uh, she finds robe, finds out where there are the uh. Next scene is like they go to the statue of liberty where, like sabertooth and magneto and all them are arriving with the machine, what's all? I'll also say I don't know how they hoisted up there, but I guess magneto just moves it up. Yeah, but what do they do with the other?
Speaker 1:part, because he's like levitating around and I'm like, does he just have metal in the bottom of his shoes? And he's just like ha ha.
Speaker 2:That wouldn't be a bad idea, though.
Speaker 1:No, that'd be smart because like he's like where, he's like walking to the cell and he's like and metal's just getting ripped up, yeah, so like, as like, as soon as he's about to step, like it's hitting the bottom of his foot and like a cool, solid, smooth platform. It's like that's cool.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean it's cool that like not only can he move him, but he could like manipulate, like he can take, like you know, a ball bearing and flatten that out. I think that's pretty cool. Why he goes that next to yeah, I was like we'll get to that next two he gets a little more, you know Bulked up, yeah, but yeah, you have the, the brotherhood, like putting together the machine and all that. They arrive on the liberty island.
Speaker 1:Um then, because like the world leaders are gonna be on Ellis Island yeah, some like big conference. And he's gonna Basically use rogue. Yeah, because they, they all figure it out. That's what he's gonna do. He's gonna transfer his power to rogue. Rogue's gonna use the machine until she dies. Yeah because it'll be enough to like Turned everyone on the iron. Yeah, and in New York City, into mutants but MacNina doesn't know, it'll kill them either.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he doesn't know like the bad outcome of all of it Um, but then that's when the X-Men show up. They're like in the museum and they have to fight. Uh, Was it toad? Did they fight the museum?
Speaker 1:Well, I kind of they're walking through the metal detector. Wolverine sets it off and they all just turn around like and he just claws it, and then he looks at cyclops and takes out the outer two. So it's just like a middle claw.
Speaker 2:He's just looking at him, he's like, huh, yeah, but uh, that's when you have a toad shows up and mystique shows up and yeah, mystique shows up as Logan. Yeah, and they don't know which one's which yeah, they fight.
Speaker 1:Logan cuts the thing I like how mystique as wolverine holds up the claws to block wolverines. It's just go right through.
Speaker 2:But you make you think like was that? Like essentially like her fingers, like what he's got her fingers off or something.
Speaker 1:She's like, she's like Like, yeah, I bet that hurt. He, I'm not a huge act man like wolverine. This movie gets his butt kicked a lot. Yeah, like he is getting beaten up by other mutants because it's his first experience with other mutants. That like sabertooth was whooping um. That mystique was giving him the business.
Speaker 2:Which it's his first experience with other mutants in this movie, but then when you watch, like the wolverine origins movie he ain't taking no prisoners. He's been, like in vietnam with, like you know, the blob and but he's been technically, has been in this movie. Yeah, which? Yeah, he should have been, so he shouldn't have been losing. Yeah, but he's been there with uh deadpool Well well, he doesn't remember either true, I didn't think about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, anyways, they go on to where the he's like, he's like an uh, he's like elden ring. You start out. Is a chug or not, and then you die and then you got to come back as like level one and fight your way back to the top of the, the mountain yeah, do you have storm where she's fighting toad and she's like the?
Speaker 1:coolest thing ever in that whole movie Is where he like gets her like down the elevator shaft and then like he's like the stuff like starts moving and he turns and looks and you just see like the lightning coming from the elevator shaft and she just pops up. Yeah, all white eyes, lightning shooting everywhere and everybody's just like, oh, she got real cool, cool powers.
Speaker 2:Which I always thought was a weird line. She's like you know what happens when a toad gets struck by lightning? The same thing that happens to everything else.
Speaker 1:It's like and that boom is just like. Well, I don't know, I mean it's a marvel like comic book.
Speaker 2:But the line was like what, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:Look, it was 2000 hollyberry. Let's just all be happy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, um then it goes up to the next scene where you have uh magneto or wait.
Speaker 1:Wolverine comes back, because he comes back and I don't know if you find storm first and she's like we need to regroup and he just goes yeah, and he goes there's only one problem. And he spins and stabs there and everybody was like he goes, You're not part of the group. And then it turns back into mystique and it's like, uh, he can. He was like yeah. And then he meets up and like Cyclops, like Ray, like blow him up, how do we know what you? And he just looks and goes you're a dick. And he just goes OK, Fair enough. I like how everyone bought it Because they're like. He just shows us like wait, how do?
Speaker 1:we know it's really you and he just looks at him. He's just like you're a dick.
Speaker 2:Oh, but yeah, he's like OK, then I get to the Statue of Liberty, they get to the top of it. Wolverine has to like confront Saber-Tooth.
Speaker 1:Well, as soon as they get up there, they're like, oh, like, do you have a shot? And that magneto, just like, takes all of them out.
Speaker 2:Well, I thought he thought oh wait, you're right. Right, because he's restrained.
Speaker 1:First, yeah, they all get pinned into the wall, yeah. And then they're like you still want to electrocute him. And he's like, yeah, it's like let's do that in a giant copper building. They're a perfect conductor.
Speaker 2:I like how huge you're shooting holes. But Wolverine, he's like pinned to the wall, he's got like his claws stuck towards his face or like his chest.
Speaker 1:So if he pops them out, it's going to go right through his chest. Which I didn't understand how like he's like eyeballing it too, because he's like got him like pinned into his chest, he's pinned into the wall and he's like looking at where his knuckles are facing. And then he's like looking over his shoulder to see, like where it's pinned him to. He's just like all right, this could probably work. It'll hurt, but I don't understand.
Speaker 2:How did just extending his claws help him fall?
Speaker 1:It's a movie.
Speaker 2:Because he was like around.
Speaker 1:This is movie with guys with claws shooting out of their hands. I'm just saying people can control metal, people can read minds. People can run through walls, mitch.
Speaker 2:But at that point is where you have him and Saber-Tooth have to fight because Magneto's up there hooking up rogue to the machine.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And Saber-Tooth basically gets knocked off the Statue of Liberty. He falls down like hits the boat into the wall?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because he gets stabbed like multiple times and it doesn't stop him?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, because Saber-Tooth's got like the Hill and Factor just like Wolverine. You know, they just don't show it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because he didn't get the cool scene where he's like throwing Wolverine off and he puts the claws out and he like rides like the spike on the helmet.
Speaker 2:Which again, does that make sense? Like ehh, Because it would have just cut through and it looked really cool.
Speaker 1:It did, it did. And he just pops up and he's like ahhh, and he like dolphin dives right into his chest. It's pretty much just done, yeah. And then they have to like figure out how to get out. And then, because I think like like open your eyes when I tell you, and he's like no, because they took Cyclops' visor again. And he's like pinned against the wall facing Gene and like it like angles slightly to like where it would hit. I think it would hit Saber-Tooth, yeah. And it's like now he opens his eyes and just goes pfft, and he's like wheeeee.
Speaker 2:But then you end up with the scene where Gene's getting ready to like sit and looking up. She's like trying to balance everything between her and Storm.
Speaker 1:I don't know why she can just levitate him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't understand that, because that's like that's her power. She can yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:She's riding a Cyclone, she's trying to contain it and then like he's like on top and like the Cyclone is still happening, it's like Storm.
Speaker 2:It's like he's up there.
Speaker 1:You can see him.
Speaker 2:Stop it, stop it yeah.
Speaker 1:And then Cyclops is like I got a shot. It's just like no, you know her.
Speaker 2:My whole thing is like how can Cyclops not shoot and just like deactivate one part if all over each one do is just stick his arm in?
Speaker 1:it. Yeah, why is it like close an eye, like keep one open, and just like sniper mode, he's ADS.
Speaker 2:As Rogue is like sitting on the machine, that's where she gets like her little white streak yeah, to start to like absorb her life.
Speaker 1:Wolverine's like trying to cut through a magnet. I was trying to stop him, yeah. And it's like claws, like bending backwards into, like hooks, yeah. And then like he just catches it and destroys all of them, like Cyclops hits him with the laser, but it like doesn't like do like anything. You don't show it See like blood or like bloom in half. Yeah, he's just kind of like nah, it's like all right.
Speaker 2:That's it, Once they've saved the day. The next scene is all the X men are like at the X mansion they're watching the news and you see, senator Kelly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so he's like changed his mind. He walks off and then like they catch like the flash, because they see the eyes change to mystiques.
Speaker 2:So she survived to for being stabbed in the chest because she pretends to be like a guard.
Speaker 1:She just turns into somebody laying there like oh this guy's still breathing. Let's get him out of here. Yeah, because she got stabbed like right in the guts.
Speaker 2:And then Logan then leaves to. At the end he leaves to find answers. That Xavier.
Speaker 1:Basically to find the compound where he was basically turned into the next because he kind of helped him discover more in his mind and he takes Cyclops motorcycle early in the movie where he takes the bike and he's just biking along and he like looks at the button on the next to the handle and he's just like, like, he's like looking at it, look at the road, look at it, look at it, and he's like it's like turbo mode, and he's like, and he's like, smiling.
Speaker 2:He's like, yeah, but you see him like doing the turn stuff. There's no way again that would work and I'm like I'm like I'm just throwing him off the bike at that speed because I'm like Wolverine probably has the reflexes. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but.
Speaker 2:Cyclops does Cyclops got like. You know lightning fast. You know blinking reflexes. Before that all starts again, let's just go on to the next thing and my little nipples went to France. But then it's the last scene. You have Xavier visiting Magneto in the jail.
Speaker 1:The all plastic prison that was actually. They based that on a real person's prison cell.
Speaker 2:Really yeah. Why Like? Why was that a real person's prison cell?
Speaker 1:No, like the 70s, there was a kid named Willie Boskett. He killed like a whole bunch of people, like in the subway, and when he was like 14, like it's just a second but he's still in prison.
Speaker 1:Okay, and like he was like wait, he like he got to prison, they tried him as an adult, he killed somebody as an adult, they sent him back. Or he was like he was just out of control, but he basically waged a war. He's like he like literally now say I'm waging war on the prison system, it's like it's me against all of you and screw you guys. But he was just like the weapons, the contraband shanks, all this like him fighting everybody, Like he basically had nothing.
Speaker 1:He had a paper gown in an all plastic cell that had four cameras to constantly watch him to see what he would do. He had nothing, but like they set up, like they based that Magneto's prison on his actual cell.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1:And then he got a table chair bad chest set and levitating in the middle of a room? Yes, it was hanging on strings. Yeah, suspended from cable.
Speaker 2:Could be suspended from cable.
Speaker 1:I hope it wasn't cables. Cables are metal Mitch.
Speaker 2:That would not work. You gave him whips. He had leather straps holding it up, Wood, big blocks of wood. But yeah, it was a kind of neat the the movie having all this stuff in there and cause like the original X-Men comic came out in 1963. The uncanny X-Men which was like your first, and Wolverine wasn't even original. No, he didn't show up until Hulk. He was a 74. So almost 11 years later.
Speaker 1:Well, I think he showed up before in the Hulk.
Speaker 2:He did, and the first appearance was in Hulk 181. And that's where, like, he's going after the Hulk rips him in half and like throws his chest like 15 miles away. But like he could, he's a introduces a character in 74 Wolverine is, but then you don't find out any of his backstory until 91. That's when, like the whole weapon X story came into play.
Speaker 1:Which was cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, I've got that comment, I've got a couple of those comics, but I mean it's, it's pretty neat.
Speaker 1:The.
Speaker 2:X-Men are probably some of your newest, besides Ninja Turtles your newest comic book characters that are like mainstream.
Speaker 1:Zane, was this before Spider-Man? Yes, what Tobin McGuire?
Speaker 2:Oh but yeah, before the Spider-Man movie. Uh, is it? It was the first one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2:Okay, maybe so.
Speaker 1:Because this, when you see the World Trade Center, when they show like the New York, Sky one.
Speaker 2:You're right, you're right Because, then?
Speaker 1:because the original Spider-Man, the one with Tobin McGuire, that was a marketing poster, it was the Twin Towers, you know 9-11, the World Trade Center in New York City. I remember seeing it before it was destroyed, but they had the webs between it and like announcing, like Spider-Man, oh, I didn't know that. And then after a while they took that down and everybody's like no, put it back. Like that was cool, put it back. And then they were like no. So you know, fantastic for with Michael Chiklis.
Speaker 1:And Jessica Alba, jessica Alba that hadn't happened, yet the MCU was eight years away. Oh yeah, this was like we had Keaton Batman and Clooney Batman and the original Superman movies. That was it. Oh yeah, that was Superman. That was superhero movies, yeah those came out and it was dark. It was edgy. He had Blade. That was like, you know, not for kids.
Speaker 2:Well, true, I'm saying that as far as superhero movies, though that was about it though.
Speaker 1:But this was like a one of the first, like more I guess I want to say family friendly. It was kind of family friendly. My parents took me and my brother, yeah, and they all was like seven or eight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was like five, I would say his family friendly, like it's not like over the top gruesome there's not much of a dead pool, not much of cuss words.
Speaker 1:I think he says the S word. I'm not saying about this show because I got to get sourced.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but not a bunch, they just like the one you were allotted for the film for PG 13 movie Doing some research on the film.
Speaker 1:It was kind of neat, I found out.
Speaker 2:Brian Singer actually watched the animated series that we grew up with, and he watched the entire thing before he made this movie, or whether on the plane. It's just like you know, it's like he's like messing with the suit.
Speaker 1:And then he's like you guys wear this. And he goes and cycles Like would you expect yellow spandex? It's like they're self aware now. Yeah, I mean I enjoyed this movie. It's got a 7.3 on IMDB. I said that's fair, Um, because I you know the the ex.
Speaker 2:as far as Wolverine, like going his transition from this film to the other ones, I say it was pretty good because, um, like you start off with Wolverine and he, he does a lot of stuff I'd say a lot more in his own movies. You see a lot more of his personality. He's more of a centerpiece character.
Speaker 1:Well, like in X-Men 2, uh, he's, he's like a centerpiece, because that's the they go to his.
Speaker 2:you know, past the base, yeah.
Speaker 1:But I, I, I.
Speaker 2:I.
Speaker 1:I, I, I feel like Wolverine's Wolverine movies. He actually is a lot more, you know. Granted, it is his movie.
Speaker 2:He has a lot of you know his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his movie. He has a lot more exposition on his, his personality and backstory.
Speaker 1:Basically all the X-Men movies is just Wolverine and other people.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:If it's not a movie that's titled Wolverine Origins, wolverine or the Wolverine or Old man Logan or whatever. If it's X-Men something and Wolverine's going to be in it, it's about Wolverine, yeah.
Speaker 2:Which is actually something I heard for the uh, the new X-Men stuff. They actually didn't want Wolverine to be in the first movie. When the new, when they the new MCU, when they start making, they don't want him in the first movie.
Speaker 1:Is Jack Haman going to playing?
Speaker 2:That's a possibility, because they said that that's what else is he doing?
Speaker 1:No, I mean I don't know, Like dude, just keep being Wolverine, You're always going to be Wolverine.
Speaker 2:I did hear that it's a very strong possibility that he's in this movie with Deadpool and then he'll be in the Secret Wars. He said he would only come back for Secret Wars if Toby McGuire and one other person was in it, so they could meet like on screen. So you know, who knows? We'll see.
Speaker 1:I mean even like the Spider-Man show, like the 1991, like there's episodes where he gets captured by the X-Men. Yeah, because they're like who are they? They're like Framon or something, and he has like, fight the X-Men, he fights Wolverine and it's just, you know, spider-man probably beat the crap out of Wolverine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:His reflexes are far faster. He has superhuman strength, durability. I mean he doesn't have the healing factor, but he's faster than Wolverine. Yeah. He's and stronger he should be, he should win.
Speaker 2:But that's. That's kind of our review. You are seen by scene dissection of the X-Men movie. If you like this, you want to hear more. I think we're planning on trying to do X2 and X-Men 3 as well. Since the new animated series of X-Men 97, which is basically a sequel to the original X-Men animated series is coming out at the end of this month, so we're keeping it X-Men. But we'll move on. Tom, is there anything you've watched or played that you'd like to talk about?
Speaker 1:Call of Duty no the button. Now, hey, she's like God, I'm right. No the car.
Speaker 2:By the way, I did win a game of Call of Duty the other day.
Speaker 1:No, one cares. My job wasn't there, it didn't count.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a sus voice.
Speaker 1:I was playing with my random friends. I built that team up, I did.
Speaker 2:I joined it. The very first game I played with them, they were all dead. I jumped into the smoke to revive, revived all three and they wanted for me.
Speaker 1:Sometimes you got to be the hero. Yeah, not all heroes wear capes. They wear Georgia hats and headphones or some.
Speaker 2:You know they dress up like a cyborg, sasquatch and Call of Duty.
Speaker 1:Well, the rookie season six is on Hulu again.
Speaker 2:OK.
Speaker 1:Nathan Fillion's cop show.
Speaker 2:Now is season six, a brand new season.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ok, so it's every seven days to releasing it.
Speaker 2:So it's not like which I kind of hate is I was like it's on.
Speaker 1:I pay for the streaming service. Give me all of it at once so I can binge through it, Wait please. So I think there was like three episodes. I think the fourth episode should be on there today or tomorrow, which I think today is what the 12th? Yeah, it should be there tomorrow. Ok, it pops on there by tomorrow. Still a good show. Still like it. Nathan Fillion still keep kicking it strong. I don't know how much further going to go with this show, I mean, but then again I'm sure Nathan Fillion will find some other cop show to be on. Now that seems to be his niche.
Speaker 2:I mean, after six years can he still be a rookie?
Speaker 1:No, it's not.
Speaker 2:They call it the rookie.
Speaker 1:I mean they bring in rookies. Now Got you Like you have rookie cops, like he's a training officer, so he has a rookie. There's another rookie.
Speaker 1:And it's just like you know people are doing things like they become rookies. Ok, you know the rookie thing still keeps going on. I mean, obviously it was about him to begin with, because he was like 40 something years old as a rookie, which he's based on like a real person, who did it. Like recently, within like the last 10 years, someone showed up who's like past 40, who joined the LAPD, got certified, became an officer and then he was like out there just being a cop and he's actually a technical advisor for the show. Ok, but season six starts. I mean I haven't seen the whole season or what the overall motif of the season is going to be, but so far, still good, still good, still a good watch.
Speaker 2:OK.
Speaker 1:Then I watched two episodes of some show I think you watched, called show gun Shogun Shogun.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Aggressive Japanese talking it's a great show.
Speaker 2:It's got here, you keys sonata. Here you see tornada.
Speaker 1:That's the Japanese guys and everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's a scorpion in Mortal Kombat. He's the really cool guy in Last Samurai. Yeah, he's the one that beats up Tom Cruise in the rain.
Speaker 1:Someone had to, and you know what he looks like. He could do it now.
Speaker 2:But basically this show is like a 17th century Japan, when guns for 1600s, yeah. So those of you who don't know, them was basically when guns were being introduced into Japanese culture and stuff. They were learning from the Portuguese and the English what guns were and how to use them and all that kind of stuff Basically what.
Speaker 1:I mean, I saw the first episodes, but the gist of it is like you have a. You know, there is no shogun right for Japan.
Speaker 2:The shogun. I don't, I don't remember what show it reveals at all, but the shogun has died.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And he leaves his son in charge. But until his son becomes of age, they divided up like five council members to rule the and they have their like, not a prefects or their realms of influence. Yeah, they control their different, like clan Tokyo.
Speaker 1:Kyoto or whatever.
Speaker 2:Osaka and all that. But yeah, they're all split apart. Well, at the same time, you have this English ship that gets washed up, you know, from like storms and stuff, and then they, it's basically captured and they got show, but they were religious nonsense, like we got to convert them. Well, they've already shown that the Portuguese have been trying to convert a bunch of people to Catholic.
Speaker 1:Catholicism.
Speaker 2:Well, but Catholicism the English show up and they have a different their Protestants. Yeah, but they're not the ones that are trying to convert anybody. This is their first. This is the first English ship that shows up in Japan.
Speaker 1:They and they take them hostage. They boil a guy alive. Yeah that was gruesome and the dudes just headbutting the cauldron like try and kill himself, yeah.
Speaker 2:But then they take like the their captain or their pilot or whatever and they walk him to the main guy of the village. But like, as they're walking there, this one guy gets there and like gets in the way and starts talking and then just fly out, cut his head off. Yeah, and he was like translating and they were just like well, like I was watching and I was like, oh my God, I was like I didn't expect that. We.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a lot of catching up, brushing up on 16th or 17th century Japanese customs. You really need to understand.
Speaker 2:Now I'll watch the fourth episode today he came out, but it's it's pretty good Like I really enjoy it. It's it's like a samurai game of thrones.
Speaker 1:I mean there's not. It is samurai game of thrones.
Speaker 2:There's not dragons and stuff, but it is like they're all warring for the or they're all going to be warring for the title of Shogun yeah. But it involves this English guy that's been captured as far as like being helping them fight against the Portuguese and the the basically, like the Portuguese had like, kept Japan like a secret. Right, and they hadn't revealed to the Japanese that there's others that know how all this technology?
Speaker 1:that there's Europe Right.
Speaker 2:And the the council. They want to remove tour or tournada. Because I forgot what the reason was.
Speaker 1:I thought it was just like those two guys just didn't like them pretty much because I think he was like two in charge.
Speaker 2:So they're like, they tell him that like, oh, after a certain point he's going to have to commit sepico. Well, instead, he and him and his like followers, they go to this other village and they take the, the English guy, with them because he could teach them how to use the cannons and stuff that are on his ship. And it's very interesting, it's right now on IMDB. It's got a nine, point two I give it a 10.
Speaker 1:It was. I mean, I didn't get too much too much into it, but I love this show. I will say it's well shot. It's very like visceral imaging.
Speaker 2:And it doesn't bother me, but I can understand. One drawback is that half the show is a Japanese.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's a sub title, unless you speak Japanese and English.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it has to show a subtitle, but it doesn't bother me, so that's. It doesn't affect my ranking. I give it a 10 out of 10. It's on a, it's on FX or?
Speaker 1:you could say I bless you bless you.
Speaker 2:Thank you, but it's on FX or Hulu, depending on what you have.
Speaker 1:Hulu.
Speaker 2:I like that. I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1:I mean, I got, I got to get back into it and watch some more.
Speaker 2:Now I move on to something else that I watched was the, the movie iron claw. Have you seen the trailers for this or? Not Iron claw is. It's a wrestling movie that's based off like.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like a just one of the three brothers or something?
Speaker 2:Yeah it's a biopic. It stars Zach Efron and Jeremy White, which is a guy from shameless yeah, I think I got from like the bear. It's got a whole colony. The guy from the Macalany. Yeah, that's it yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the guy from my honor, the older guy from my honor, right, the cool one. I don't want any kid.
Speaker 2:But basically it's the story about this family and there's technically what they called the curse of the Von Erics, which it's based after the Von Erics brothers, but they're, they were a family in wrestling, that the family actually had five brothers. The first brother died when he was like seven or eight or something like that. He got electrocuted and then drowned, so like when he was little, he died when there was only two of them at the time. Well then, kevin is the oldest, which is Zach Efron's character, because his older brother died, but he's like a Texas, you know, wrestling champion kind of I think he's Texas wrestling champion. And then they're they like come across like Rick Flair and Harley Race, which are big people at the time, because this is in the late 70s, early 80s.
Speaker 1:OK.
Speaker 2:But the first brother that died was the little one. And then you have Zach Efron. Well, then you have his, his younger brother, right under him, which is David, which Harris Dickinson plays him I don't really know what he's from, but he is. He becomes like it gets into the wrestling business. He gets the chance at the world title. All he has to do is he's going to go to Japan and tour for a little bit before then. Well, he starts getting real sick before he leaves and his brother actually sees him on his wedding day. Kevin, which is Zach Efron, sees him throwing up blood in the bathroom and he's like. He tells him, like you shouldn't go to Japan and stuff. Well, then it flashes to the next scene where you find out he died from a ruptured intestine while he was in Japan. So like a week later he's got his brother died.
Speaker 2:Well, then his other brother, which played by Jeremy white, which is Carrie, which their dad says is his favorite, he was gonna be an Olympian but then in a Was a Jimmy Carter, like canceled the Olympics in the 80s because, like it was supposed to be in Moscow. So his brother came, comes home instead of being at the University going to the Olympics for like track field or something like that. He, he comes home and joins the wrestling business. Well, you know, things conspired to where he ends up getting a chance to win the world title from Rick flair.
Speaker 2:He wins the world title and in the movie they don't do a good job of showing the the like length of time in between. But in the movie he wins the world title and. But in real life it's like maybe like a year later. But in the movie it makes it sound like he wins the world title. And then that night he goes out on a motorcycle ride after he'd been drinking, loses a foot, like he just his foot, just just you know killed or chopped off in the accident his foot gets killed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so there runs up and stabs his foot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but then like their youngest brother, you know, he's not really into the wrestling stuff, he's more like a musician. But then they talk him into it because it's just Kevin and there he's the only one in the family still in wrestling. So they talk his younger brother into joining. Well, his younger brother joins in very first match. He's doing like drop kicks, not like the person I've been hitting him, he's just jumping up, kicking the guy and falling and when he fell he dislocates his shoulder or break something in his shoulder. So he has to go to the hospital get surgery.
Speaker 2:Well, in the surgery he has like a. He goes into like some kind of shock and his temperature is like a hundred and seven for two hours. So they basically he comes out, he's been in a coma and when he wakes up from the coma he's like got a lot of brain damage. Well, he wonders off and just dies. Like he wonders off into the woods and they have to go and try and find him and they find him dead. So he dies. Yeah, well then the carry who'd lost his foot, he, you know, he eventually puts on like a prosthetic and gets a get signed to the WWE.
Speaker 2:He gets you know, gets to wrestle and stuff, but then eventually he can't take it anymore from the pain from his foot trying to wear the prosthetic and just some mental health problems and ends up shooting and killing himself. And then. So then Kevin, the oldest brother, like blames the dad, starts choking him out in the middle of the yard and then it doesn't have a very good scene where you get to see like, like they're in heaven carries, rowing the boat to shore and he sees his brothers on shore and he gets to, you know, gets reunited with them there.
Speaker 2:It's kind of nice. But then and then it reveals more about Kevin, you know, at the end of the movie about his family and stuff like that. But it's a sad movie but it's really good, like I.
Speaker 2:I mean it's a sad movie, it is but it's a true story and that's why they call it the curse the Von Erick's, because the whole time when a Zac Efron's character, kevin, is like getting married and stuff like that, he, he won't, he doesn't want his kids to have the same last name because he's scared of the curse. But it explains more about why they considered a curse and how it came about. There's some evidence to support, but I mean it's a good, good show.
Speaker 1:This is a show or movie, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:It's a good movie, but you know, kevin, he ends up with at the end of, with four children and 13 grandchildren. So Things turn out different, but, like I said, it's a really good movie. If you like anything wrestling, I definitely encourage you to watch it. If you just like drama, it's a good movie. Hmm, I've seen it three times.
Speaker 1:In theaters? No, you just sit in there, I'm back. No, I watched it. Did you guys save my seat? Don't sniff the farts out of the seat when I leave.
Speaker 2:But yeah, it's, it's really good. It's called iron claw. Right now it's only available, like on Prime to buy. It's not on Starge or anything like that Okay so. That's all I got for, though that's all I got.
Speaker 1:I don't know you.