Batman ‘89: How Tim Burton Redefined Batman

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Batman Intro and Podcast Welcome

Speaker 1 0:01

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Speaker 2 0:38

Hi I got a little wild at the end. I was like, yeah, this is starting to break me for a second. I was like I got to try wild.

Speaker 4 0:45

At the end I was like, yeah, mitch was starting to break me for a second. When I looked at him, he was trying to. I was like I got to try to make eye contact. I'm not working, I'll keep at it.

Speaker 2 0:51

I was trying to like, not do like the. Oh, I'm Batman. Where are?

Speaker 5 0:54

the drugs. Yeah, it's the Robert Pattinson one.

Speaker 4 1:05

I don't remember erroneous. We don't have that. I don't want to interrupt you though.

Speaker 5 1:07

Hello and welcome to Entertain Us a podcast about movies, tv shows and video games and video games. Yeah, we have those Say it, like our pets and video games.

Speaker 1 1:17

Video games. What have you done? Where are the drugs?

Speaker 5 1:21

Where my name is Hayden. With me I have Mitch and Tom. Hello, Tom, Our resident narrator and voice, you know.

Speaker 2 1:28

Person.

Speaker 5 1:29

Impersonator yep. With us today is also El Yucataco. That is our new hot sauce. Don't you owe us a hot sauce.

Speaker 2 1:43

I think I do owe a hot sauce.

Speaker 5 1:46

Smell a little spicy in here. Let me get a little whiff of this bad boy.

Speaker 2 1:50

It's not as pungent, it's not as assaultive to the nostril.

Speaker 4 1:55

What he's not telling us is he's been cooking with that. It smells pretty good. I've been building up a tolerance.

Speaker 2 2:00

I built up a tolerance to IOK after several years.

Speaker 4 2:03

Like I said it, they said it was hot, We'll see. Well, it's got three.

Speaker 5 2:08

X's for the extra. Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 2:09

Cause it's extra.

Speaker 5 2:10

Well, uh, while Tom is getting a little spoon to commit, I got to get the spoon. I was going to read our social media, okay, oh that's.

Speaker 2 2:19

It's because I have it written down in front of me, I do everything else, it's fine if he reads that Mitch has been fired.

Speaker 5 2:24

All right social media.

Speaker 2 2:24

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There's different things that you can chat with us, you can get the behind the scenes of the unedited episodes that we don't do. That was a load of bull. Well, I'm not going to let you just lie that blatantly.

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We would have behind the scenes if somebody would upload them a little sooner.

Speaker 5 3:20

What are you talking about?

Speaker 4 3:21

You get early access.

Speaker 5 3:23

I feel like we should pay for somebody to have to listen to that. All right, so, mitch, today we're discussing Superman.

Speaker 4 3:38

Erroneous, erroneous, your.

Speaker 5 3:40

Honor. I object. How did we land on your movie? How did you get to decide that we're doing Batman?

Speaker 4 3:46

Because I won the trivia.

Speaker 5 3:48

Oh yeah, we did a trivia.

Speaker 4 3:49

Yeah, it's been a month since I won and declared it. We recorded once and didn't do this episode.

Speaker 2 3:56

El Yucateco, not El Yucataco. You illiterate bum.

Speaker 5 4:00

Hey, if you can fit taco in there, I say you call it that.

Speaker 2 4:03

Salsa Maya, extra Picante, the Yucatan. What it says here on the label?

Speaker 4 4:09

Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 4:10

Where'd you buy this Mitch?

Speaker 4 4:11

At my local Super Mercado.

Speaker 2 4:13

At your local Super Mercado.

Speaker 5 4:15

Yeah Woo, I had to find somebody that could tell me which one was hot that spoke English? Muy caliente.

Speaker 4 4:25

All right, you said it didn't smell that hot. You can put a little more on there.

Speaker 2 4:28

You never know this is the inaugural. You never know Hot saucing. We'll see what happens.

Speaker 5 4:33

What was our?

Speaker 2 4:34

last hot sauce. Was it Satan's butthole?

Speaker 5 4:38

It wasn't the bomb, or something.

Speaker 2 4:39

No, that was Black.

Speaker 5 4:40

Mamba. Yeah, Black Mamba.

Speaker 4 4:41

Yeah, the Black Mamba yeah.

Speaker 2 4:42

Black Mamba. Yeah, the Black Mamba let's see as a connoisseur.

Speaker 4 4:45

If this isn't hot, I'm not satisfied. I'm buying something else.

Speaker 5 4:53

Okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 4:56

How is it Give?

Speaker 5 5:02

us a texture.

Speaker 2 5:05

Is it the?

Speaker 5 5:06

hottest one, yet it's hot, it is hot Well he's not throwing up Snotting or anything like that.

Speaker 2 5:12

Not yet. Not yet, it's not the worst one.

Speaker 5 5:16

All right, well, anyways, just get used to those noises.

Speaker 4 5:21

It's a builder. It's a builder. He makes me feel better. Just get used to those noises listener.

Speaker 5 5:25

That's. It's a builder. It makes me feel better. Just get used to those noises, listener. That's going to be the rest of the episode. All right. We're doing Batman 1989, right yeah?

Speaker 2 5:31

I don't feel as bad about swearing now.

Speaker 4 5:36

Well, that's not good, yeah, we got something that makes you regret it.

Speaker 2 5:41

Oh, what's next? It's just, oh you swear, Take the Ipecac.

Speaker 4 5:44

I thought about getting the new Darth Vader hot sauce that they made.

Speaker 2 5:47

Really no, we don't need stuff From the fires of Mustafar. I hate you. You were the chosen one. You were the chosen ship. It's a grower. It's a grower, it's a grower, it builds. You remember the old hot sauce Once it hit whatever part of your mouth, the rest of your mouth was suddenly coated. Yeah, whatever was in contact hurts. Good, good, good. So I dare say it's on par well good, make me feel better about it.

Speaker 4 6:30

Anyways, we're doing batman 89, which is, you know, like I said, because I won trivia a month or so ago I don't, I don't know getting around to it, uh, but yeah it was, let's see, released in June of 23rd of 1989 with a budget of 35,. Well, they didn't have an official, they said 35 to 48 million.

Speaker 5 6:54

Wikipedia has it at 48 million. Okay.

Speaker 4 6:57

Earned 411 million Yep, and then on IMDb it's a 7.5 out of 10. Rotten Tomatoes the critics have it at 77% and the fans have it at 84%.

Speaker 5 7:08

I do think that Return of Batman.

Speaker 4 7:11

Returns.

Speaker 5 7:12

I think that that is the better Batman.

Speaker 4 7:14

I do not think so Really.

Speaker 2 7:16

Yeah, I agree with Mitch 89, I think was better. I mean I am skewed to say that because I really want Christopher Walken. I'll watch that guy cut grass, I don't care. But as a villain I think Jack Nicholson just kind of blows him out of the water. And yeah, and I know it's a shared villain role because you have him and Danny DeVito as the Penguin.

Speaker 4 7:38

And Selena Kyle's or not Selena Kyle? Michelle Pfeiffer as Selena Kyle yeah.

Speaker 5 7:44

I felt like for having a lot of moving parts. That was like a really well-done movie to do it.

Speaker 2 7:48

I think it was an outstanding sequel.

Speaker 4 7:51

I mean, I like the movie. I just like the first one better. Okay, but let's see the cast. The producer was Peter Gruber, the director Tim Burton, writers Sam Hain and Warren Skarn. The original creator of Batman was Bob Kane.

Speaker 2 8:08

Was Peter related to Hans Hans Gruber. Thank you.

Speaker 4 8:15

Michael Keaton is Batman, jack Nicholson is the Joker, kim Basinger is Vicki Vale Basinger, robert Wohl is Alexander Knox, pat Hingle is Commissioner Gordon, billy Dee Williams is Harvey Dent. Vicki Vale Basinger yeah same thing. Robert Wohl is Alexander Knox, pat Hingle is Commissioner Gordon, billy Dee Williams is Harvey Dent, michael Goff is Alfred Pennyworth and Jack Palance is Grissom.

Speaker 2 8:35

It'd been cool to have Great cast lineup though.

Speaker 5 8:37

It'd been cool to have Billy Dee Williams two-face.

Speaker 2 8:39

That was what the plan was for Batman Forever.

Speaker 4 8:43

Well, no, it was supposed to be for Batman Returns. He said in the sequel he was supposed to come back. He actually had that in his contract. He was supposed to come back. From some research I found out they actually bought him out of his contract because they didn't want him to return. That sucks.

Speaker 5 8:56

I don't like just seeing that.

Speaker 4 8:58

He's a big name to have such a small part in this one and then not ever show up again.

Speaker 2 9:02

Yeah, we part in this one and then not ever show up again. Yeah, and we had to get that, was it? Schumacher did? Batman Returns, joel Schumacher.

Speaker 5 9:08

He did, yeah, he did, batman Forever, yeah, batman Forever is what I was thinking of, and Batman and Robin. Somehow. They were like oh wow, you did such a good job, let's give you another movie. And we got Tommy Lee Jones' Two-Face. Who cannot be. He cannot sanction Jim Carrey's buffoonery.

Speaker 2 9:25

Brand of buffoonery.

Speaker 4 9:27

Jim Carrey was a good Riddler, though I liked him as a Riddler.

Speaker 5 9:30

You know, like in the Christopher Nolan era they were considering bringing him back as the Riddler, jim Carrey. Oh really, and like to the point where, like, they were even talking to Jim just to see that, because he can do serious as well, jim Carrey. Yeah. But he was like nah.

Jack Nicholson as The Joker

Speaker 4 9:50

Well, originally they were supposed to have Robin Williams as the Joker in this. Oh, yeah, yeah, like supposedly. So much so that they'd actually told Robin Williams he got the part. But they were just trying to lure Jack Nicholson into doing it. So Robin Williams assumed that he had the part from what they had told him. Jack Nicholson said, okay, I'll do it. And then they basically told Robin Williams never mind, we're going to go with him. Yeah.

Speaker 4 10:12

And that's why Robin Williams pretty much decided he will never work with WB. That's fair From that point forward. I think eventually he did something with him, but he was not happy.

Speaker 5 10:25

I them. But like he, he was not happy. I wouldn't be either he got stalloned.

Speaker 2 10:27

That's what schwarzenegger did to stallone. He would pretend to like take these big roles and he'd be like and he'll make some horrible movie.

Speaker 4 10:32

Schwarzenegger never even did the movies that he did but, um, yeah, like there was a bunch of hollywood a-listers that they said that were considered for the role of batman, um, mel gibson, kevin, charlie Sheen, tom Selleck, harrison Ford and Dennis Quaid were all kind of in the running Oof.

Speaker 5 10:49

I mean.

Speaker 2 10:50

Batman with a mustache.

Speaker 5 10:51

Yeah, I'm trying to think Harrison Ford.

Speaker 1 10:57

I want my parents back.

Speaker 5 11:00

Get off my city streets Wagging his finger at him.

Speaker 2 11:06

No, not 1989. Harrison.

Speaker 4 11:10

Ford.

Speaker 2 11:11

No, that's pushing it.

Speaker 4 11:12

I forget, he hasn't always been old.

Speaker 2 11:14

This would have been Selick at the end of Magnum PI, so he would have had to shave the mustache probably, and that would have looked ridiculous. Kevin Costner, not Costner.

Speaker 5 11:23

He wasn't a good actor back then.

Speaker 2 11:25

This was the same year the Untouchables came out.

Speaker 5 11:28

The Untouchables is good, but when he plays the young wide-eyed naive kind of guy, yeah you can get away with it. Batman the Brooding. I can't see Costner pulling that off. No, he couldn't pull that off.

Speaker 4 11:38

Drug riddled Charlie Sheen? I don't think no. Sheen, I don't think no.

Speaker 2 11:42

During the 80s, 1980, like the baseball movie Major League, major League, charlie Sheen.

Speaker 4 11:48

Wild thing. That's not Batman, I'm Batman.

Speaker 5 11:52

No, maybe, like I don't know, some of the platoon monologuing that he did was pretty broody.

Speaker 4 11:59

Okay, dennis Quaid, yeah. Nah, nah.

Speaker 5 12:06

The only thing I can think of is Enemy Mine from that era. Oh, supposedly.

Speaker 2 12:10

And years later, the Parent Trap Inner Space.

Speaker 4 12:13

Reading this, it says they also approached Pierce Brosnan because they wanted an action movie star, but he had no interest in playing a comic book character. Is what he said.

Speaker 2 12:21

He'd been great at that In 1989, Pierce Brosnan would have been a great Bruce Wayne.

Speaker 5 12:26

Could he do? I've never seen him do an American accent before.

Speaker 2 12:29

I'm sure he could have pulled it off. I mean every British person. They got him to sing in Mama Me. I'm sure he would have been fun. That is true.

Speaker 4 12:36

But it says that when Michael Keaton was cast, it created a furore. People were really because everybody remembered him from Mr Mom. Well, yeah, because he had been in more comedic stuff and they said they had a $50,000 signature petition. Yes that I don't know why I read $50,000. I just wanted to add dollars, because that's what you want.

Speaker 5 12:57

You want money.

Speaker 4 12:57

But basically people protesting. They did not want him, Bob Kane didn't want him.

Speaker 2 13:03

Really.

Speaker 4 13:03

Yeah.

Speaker 2 13:04

And it's wild. We look back. Keaton is probably the best live-action Batman ever.

Speaker 4 13:10

As far as acting yeah, I'd have to say so, as far as both roles Now, because some of them, I think, have done better as Batman, some have done better as Bruce Wayne, but not both together.

Speaker 5 13:21

I don't know about Cameron. It was a pretty good follow-up. What? I'm just kidding your Honor.

Speaker 2 13:29

I object Erroneous, wrong. Don't sit outside.

Speaker 4 13:34

Now I will say that. What's his name? Ben Affleck. He makes for a really good Bruce Wayne and he has the build of Batman.

Speaker 2 13:42

He looks that part. He wasn't given the script to do it. Yeah, like Batman drinking. Like Batman didn't do that. A lot of the comic book stuff is Batman doesn't drink alcohol because he doesn't want to ever be like his senses dulled ever.

Speaker 4 13:58

Well, right, but I mean he was one of the older he was supposed to portray like an older Batman that had kind of fallen off the wagon a little bit. Yeah.

Speaker 5 14:08

He was killing people. He was just like nope.

Speaker 1 14:10

So was Keaton's.

Speaker 4 14:10

Batman. Yeah, that is true Because, like everybody talks about, you know Ben Affleck's Batman killing people. But in the Batman Returns, keaton basically attaches a bomb to a guy and knocks him down a sewer main, yeah, ah. He turns the Batmobile around and lights a guy on fire.

Speaker 5 14:30

There was a couple times where I don't break my one rule Dude's definitely, I'll send you to the ICU though. Had to die in the original 1989 Batman.

Speaker 4 14:38

Well, there's one where he throws him down the tower from the top.

Speaker 5 14:43

Well, yeah, but I mean, like there's a couple times where he's fighting some people and he did I can't remember. He did something like bananas and you're just like. That dude's definitely going.

Speaker 2 14:53

That guy's not walking away from that.

Speaker 4 14:58

Oh, let's see Some of the people that they had also kind of done. Interviewed for the role of Joker was Tim Curry, david Bowie, john Lithgow, ray Liotta and James Woods John Lithgow.

Speaker 2 15:10

John Lithgow I mean, but David Bowie as the Joker and Tim Curry.

Speaker 5 15:14

And Tim Curry, tim Curry.

Speaker 2 15:16

Tim Curry probably would have been one of the top three Jokers of all time.

Speaker 5 15:20

Did you ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight? Well, you're about to the moon, Ha ha ha.

Speaker 2 15:24

I mean he got to play a clown in another film.

Speaker 4 15:27

Yeah.

Speaker 2 15:28

Yeah, it still gives me nightmares.

Speaker 4 15:29

It's creepier yeah.

Speaker 2 15:30

It's a lot creepier, john Lithgow.

Speaker 4 15:35

What was the last one he said? James Wood.

Speaker 2 15:36

James Woods, that would have been no. No, james Woods would have probably a better Two-Face.

Speaker 5 15:42

I don't know.

Speaker 4 15:43

Yeah, yeah. But when they went with Nicholson he had demands that he wanted as the role, basically because he knew they wanted him. He wanted a three-week block to be shot, like all his scenes. It says he reduced his standard salary to 10, or reduced his standard 10 million fee to 6 million in exchange for a cut of the film's earnings, including including associated merchandise, which led to remuneration and excess. Basically, he made $50 million in that year for the movie.

Speaker 2 16:16

He pulled a Alec Guinness.

Speaker 4 16:18

What's that? What'd he do?

Speaker 2 16:19

He got toys oh yeah, obi-wan, the original Obi-Wan.

Speaker 4 16:22

Oh okay, guys, guys, guys, yeah, how'd you not.

Speaker 2 16:24

We do an entertainment show. How'd you not? I didn't know his name.

Speaker 4 16:27

Look, we all know I'm not good with names and people's names like actors' names.

Speaker 2 16:31

I'm not good with names and people's names.

Speaker 4 16:34

We do. Dogs have names too. Shut up and words. Welcome to oh and he also demanded top billing on the movie as well.

Speaker 5 16:43

Oh yeah, he's going to get top billing, it's.

Speaker 4 16:44

Jack.

Speaker 2 16:45

Nicholson. I mean you read through all the actors. He's the only one who deserves top billing.

Speaker 4 16:48

Yeah, it says. There are reports that he received maybe up to $90 million for this movie.

Speaker 5 16:53

I believe it. You know, you look at it and sometimes a movie kind of has like a veil, like a hint of goofiness that just doesn't quite stick to landing and you're like, man, I can't believe Jack Nielsen agreed to do this. You know, there's a couple times where it's like kind of campy and corny and cheesy and you're just like this is the guy who's in the Shining, you know.

Speaker 2 17:16

This is the guy from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest Easy Rider.

Batman's First Appearance and Intro Scenes

Speaker 5 17:18

Yeah, you know. And then you see him like do his little joker dance on the table and stuff like that and you're just like, but you know it worked.

Speaker 2 17:27

It definitely worked.

Speaker 5 17:27

Where they show up at the museum and he's twirling the cane with the guy with the boom box and he's just knocking stuff over and painting he's like he had a goofy body shape for that movie too Just kind of started letting himself go in that belly.

Speaker 2 17:41

It was wild to see an actor of his caliber, especially at that time, who had so many fantastic films. Chinatown we didn't mention.

Speaker 5 17:49

Oh, that's, right, Chinatown yeah.

Speaker 2 17:51

I mean, it's Jack Nicholson and it's just like. I'm going to be the Joker and everyone's like what are you doing?

Speaker 5 17:59

Just whatever he wanted. I mean, I wonder how much of that was ad-libbed, all of his little dances and goofy stuff and the part I think the best part about his character is how well they casted the young guy to play him with that smile, oh yeah. They found the one guy on the planet that has the Jack Nicholson smile. The one other guy. Yeah, and he had it so perfectly. It was pretty impressive.

Speaker 4 18:25

Well, granted, there wasn't as many superhero movies back then as there are now, but it says it held the highest grossing superhero film all the way until 2002 when Spider-Man came out. Oh, wow. So it's pretty impressive.

Speaker 2 18:38

Pardon me. Yeah, man, it was the sauce Habanero-y.

Speaker 4 18:43

But we've got to get into the movie here, where you know the whole thing starts with this mom, dad, kid coming out of the theater, standing on the side of the road trying to hail a cab.

Speaker 5 18:54

Everybody's like oh no, here we go.

Speaker 2 18:57

Here's going to happen. All the criminals in Gotham are like how many times do we have to teach you this lesson, bruce?

Speaker 5 19:02

I will be because I hadn't seen this movie in years and I watched it again and I was like I thought they came out of an opera.

Speaker 3 19:10

And then you realize what they're doing and you're like, oh clever, and it was weird to see that for the 1989 Batman.

Speaker 4 19:18

They didn't start from the origin, right from the rip.

Speaker 5 19:21

They kind of alluded to it.

Speaker 4 19:24

Similar things happen, but not to the same extent.

Speaker 2 19:26

I like that. They did that. I appreciate that a lot, especially now because every Batman movie now we got to hear about my parents were killed. It was my fault and you know, joe Chill bleh where are the drugs.

Speaker 4 19:39

I thought they did a really good job of introducing Batman because, I mean, like you got the two crooks after they robbed the mom and dad and the kid which, by the way, they specifically tell the lady don't scream If you value the kid's life they knocked the dad out and immediately she screams as they're running away. Could you imagine? The guy just turned right back.

Speaker 2 19:59

I told you and like he's like walking up, like rubbing his temples, like you remember, just five seconds earlier, earlier, I said don't scream or the kid gets it.

Speaker 4 20:10

and here we are, because you screamed, now you have forced my hand but think about this you've got this dad and he, they've got a map with him and he's like I got a hill of cab and let's walk into the dark alley instead of the lit street, where all the cabs are at. They're from out of town, aren't they?

Speaker 2 20:28

Yeah, they were obviously from Atlanta.

Speaker 4 20:31

I just say but it's good how they introduced Batman, I thought, because you've got the two crooks sitting up there counting the cash and stuff and you just see him kind of like.

Speaker 5 20:39

Let's talk about that.

Speaker 2 20:40

Yes, let's talk about how he that's a very 70s 80s thing to do to have crooks counting money, but like where he like, looms in with his goofy bat wings and you can tell he's like being slowly laying.

Speaker 5 20:53

There's almost like a stutter with his lower.

Speaker 4 20:55

Oh, that was pretty cool.

Speaker 5 20:55

Yeah, I mean like the first time you'd see it, but as an adult you're like.

Speaker 2 20:59

I agree, the more you watch it. Two-year-old Hayden was blown away.

Speaker 5 21:04

As an adult.

Speaker 4 21:04

Adult you're like I agree you can almost hear like the, the gears, like I didn't think it was cool, like like they're sitting there and you just, kind of off screen, you hear the footsteps as he's like right above them, and then they're like but then like they get up, take off, run and turn around and shoot him and he just dunks yeah, and whenever.

Speaker 5 21:28

Whenever he gets knocked down, it's always the most ungraceful paper doll. Just family guy rag doll yeah. Just lays there like he's dead.

Speaker 4 21:39

But, like you said, the first time you see it. He just got shot, he's down, they turn around and they just hear him raising back up.

Speaker 2 21:45

It would be pretty creepy yeah they turn around and they just hear him raising back up. Yeah, it'd be pretty creepy. Yeah, I think it. It's a nice ambience touch. Yeah, it builds, like the lore, a little of the character of like, oh, they just shot him and it didn't do anything. Yeah, who is the batman?

Speaker 4 21:58

yeah, but then he grabs me. He's like holding him out over the edge.

Speaker 5 22:00

Just tell your friends about me it is funny because they do shoot him in the chest and one that, one part in the movie where he's like he's's wearing body armor.

Speaker 1 22:07

He's got some kind of booty on.

Speaker 5 22:09

They're trying to figure out a way to kill him. He's got a mouth. You can see half his head. Shoot him in the mouth.

Speaker 2 22:16

From under his nose to almost, his Adam's apple is exposed.

Speaker 5 22:20

Stick the gun in his mouth, whatever you think is best.

Speaker 2 22:24

Have you guys not watched the Boys and how they kill?

Speaker 5 22:25

Translucent it's just the reverse, different orifice.

Speaker 4 22:29

I don't know.

Speaker 5 22:29

That's why they're dumb criminals, I guess.

Speaker 4 22:31

Yeah, but supposedly like the line, he wasn't supposed to say I'm Batman. He was supposed to say I am the knight and Michael Keaton's. Like I'm not saying that he like.

Speaker 2 22:46

Knock the guy over the head, butt.

Speaker 4 22:47

Yeah, I think he like head butts him and then he tosses him on the roof and then he just jumps off.

Speaker 2 22:51

And like the cops show up and they're like yeah, yeah, all crumpled up.

Speaker 4 22:56

And then you have the reporter Alexander Knox. Yeah, he got on my nerves.

Speaker 5 23:02

Yeah, he was like that's like that guy's Loki sexually assaulting Vicki Vale, which was funny back then In 1989. Yeah, totally acceptable.

Speaker 4 23:10

Well, yeah, because he's like hey, have you seen any news to Batman? He's like don't write any of this stuff in the paper. The police guy.

Speaker 5 23:17

Oh yeah, he thinks it's Bigfoot or Elvis yeah.

Speaker 4 23:21

Yeah. But then when they get back to the newspaper place I don't know the building, I don't know they don't have like a name for their newspaper company, that but uh, he gets back there and everybody's like making fun of him. You see, more than he says, it's a Batman and Vicki Vale sitting there and she's like, uh, you know, flipping through her uh photos and stuff. And then he's like, will you me coffee?

Speaker 2 23:44

yeah, sorry, that's an odd twist to take off a rejection like standing awkwardly close through the whole time.

Speaker 4 23:50

Right to be fair, though, like chewing gum he did get his, his butt beat a couple times for her yeah so but like they do a good job of, like, I guess, making them a team because you know she's a photographer, he's, he's the writer or whatever. But my whole thing is like, if Batman is so mysterious because they have sightings, how does she know about him from some other place, like she's not from that city?

Speaker 5 24:17

I don't know, I can't people like. Word of mouth was a thing back then. It still is.

Speaker 4 24:20

Yeah, but it'd be a lot less common as far as how do you know about Bigfoot? Well, there's a lot more sightings of Bigfoot than Batman.

Speaker 2 24:29

Well, yeah, they just cut to a different news channel somewhere halfway across the US. It's like in other news a man dressed like a bat in Gotham City is beating up criminals just trying to take one bite out of crime. Isn't that fun, tom. Oh yeah, that's great Diane. Anyway, over to you, mike. With the weather it's like what's wrong with this guy. Was he prowling?

Speaker 5 24:52

around his mom's basement. Get a job I'm trying to remember what was the next scene after they meet at the newspaper place. I'm pretty sure we get to Bruce Wayne at some point.

Speaker 4 25:04

Oh, they go to the party in his house.

Speaker 2 25:07

Okay, I was about to say it was some sort of fundraiser that he's hosting.

Speaker 4 25:12

He's got a whole casino basically in his house now.

Speaker 2 25:16

He has the suits of armor and all the cool samurai stuff.

Speaker 4 25:20

Yeah, well, they're all out there doing the gambling stuff and then Knox and Vicky walk off and just explore this guy's mansion without anybody wayne manor.

Speaker 5 25:29

He's just like oh I'll follow them, you know. But yeah, they, they wonder into, like his armory, I guess yeah just suits armor from all over the world yeah, and she's like they're making fun of bruce wayne to bruce wayne because they don't know it's him.

Speaker 2 25:45

He's like yeah, it's probably some psycho. Who's that?

Speaker 4 25:51

It's like that was Bruce Wayne, I like. When they find out that it is him, he's like, hey, can I have a grant, as he's getting ready to walk away. He's like, should we open a couple of cases? They're like, yeah, sure, a couple of cases of wine. He's like, oh, give Knox a grant. He's like, yeah, yeah, it just makes me laugh.

Speaker 2 26:10

That's where he becomes infatuated with Kim Basinger.

Speaker 5 26:14

Yeah, it'd be hard not to. Meanwhile, mob boss Carl Grissom sends his sociopathic second-in-command, jack Napier, to raid Axis Chemicals.

Speaker 2 26:23

That is the most like comic-y 40s name Axis Chemicals. Axis Chemicals preparing you for tomorrow, or some, like you know, upbeat nonsense like the eh the radio announcer. Hey boys here.

Speaker 5 26:36

Yeah, axis Chemicals safe around children Wink.

Speaker 2 26:42

Buy our new brands of lead paint.

Speaker 4 26:43

Well, you got Jack Napier, which you know. Jack Nicholson, jack Napier, basically. You know Jack Nicholson, jack Napier Basically. He gets set up. He goes to the chemical place they're supposed to rob the safe or whatever. They open it up. There's nothing in there and as they walk out, the corrupt cops start showing up.

Speaker 5 26:59

Yeah, the shooting happens. Batman shows up. He tries to save Jack Napier. He falls in the vat of chemicals.

Speaker 2 27:07

And they don't try to recover the body or nothing. The bat man just leaves Because I think the cops are shooting at him and he's just climbing a ladder While getting shot at slowly.

Speaker 5 27:18

He's like it's funny when Jack Nicholson Drops into the vat of chemicals Because the bat suit Doesn't move.

Speaker 4 27:26

His neck can't move.

The Chemical Plant Transformation

Speaker 5 27:29

He's all stagnant and still His vertebrae is fused together. When he drops he has to bend his hip to look over the railing to see him. You see Jack Nicholson fall into the vat and he just snaps back up to attention when the cops start shooting at him and he scurries up the ladder.

Speaker 2 27:48

The reason for the double cross is that Jack Napier, jack Nicholson was nailing Jack Palance's girlfriend.

Speaker 5 27:56

Yeah, pretty much, or his mistress, that's not important.

Speaker 2 28:00

And then he kills also the corrupt cop.

Speaker 4 28:03

Well, I just like how the police come into this place and immediately start shooting at everything. You just got chemicals going everywhere. They're just standing and I'm still shooting and stuff.

Speaker 5 28:11

Yeah, all right. So like they shoot the little dial and the glass flies off, cuts Jack Napier's face.

Speaker 4 28:20

Well, no, because he shoots at Batman.

Speaker 5 28:21

Batman uses his like wrist gauntlet thing to block it and it ricochets and hits all the glass and like it wrist gauntlet thing to block it, and it ricochets and hits all the glass and it's severed attendance.

Speaker 4 28:31

He can't. He constantly smiles now.

Speaker 2 28:33

Yeah, he's like that's so dumb. That idiotic grin of.

Speaker 4 28:39

But I always laugh because after all that stuff's happened. Batman's standing there and when the police are coming from both sides he throws the smoke bomb down and when he starts going up you just see his feet sticking out as he's going up through the smoke. But then you got the one cop that's like steps forward and just looks up like he's surprised. Where'd he go?

Speaker 1 28:57

He's gone, Commissioner. He was here and now he's not.

Speaker 5 29:03

What else is funny is when the corrupt cop's like he's like walking away, Like he's just sauntering out.

Speaker 2 29:10

And he's like hey, Eckhart, he's like he like turns in lumbers and he just goes Pow, pow, pow, pow pow.

Speaker 5 29:17

Yeah, like he didn't think he was going to get shot.

Speaker 4 29:20

And you know, looking at that guy, he just smells like grease and like marble reds.

Speaker 2 29:25

He smells like gyros.

Speaker 5 29:28

He just looks greasy he smells like greasy street food If you told me that they casted the same guy to play the corrupt cop in all of the Batman movies. I would have believed you Because they find the same guy they go to like a Domino's pizza.

Speaker 2 29:44

He doesn't even sweat, it's just stagnant cart water from hot dog stands coming out of his skin.

Speaker 5 29:48

They open the dumpster Under the greasy pizza boxes? Is that corrupt cop?

Speaker 2 29:54

actor. He uses relish as a deodorant.

Speaker 5 29:57

He pops it. He's like Batman. Let's do it.

Speaker 4 30:04

Then you got his Jack Nicholson's buddy like Bob. That's his name, bob the long blonde-haired guy.

Speaker 5 30:12

Oh yeah, Isn't he the ballet dude from Die Hard?

Speaker 4 30:18

I don't know.

Speaker 2 30:19

I think he is Now. Bob is like the most loyal henchman. Yeah, bob's probably the greatest henchman, like the greatest henchman's henchman of all time.

Speaker 5 30:27

Yeah, I'm going to get cast here. Keep talking, Mitch.

Speaker 4 30:31

But you know, after all that's happened. Then you see like the scene where you see the water and you see like the kind of yellowish or the white and green hand kind of pop up from the water. Yeah. Well then the next scene they go. You have Jack Palance, which is Griss, and his robe and stuff, all happy.

Speaker 2 30:43

His smoking jacket, the silk.

Speaker 4 30:45

Yeah, the elevator opens up and he's like Jack Napier's gone. He thinks it's his girlfriend. He turns around and you just see the silhouette of the Joker with his hat, walks in, takes his hat off and he's like the full-on white makeup, green hair, he's like Jack.

Speaker 5 31:03

Bob is not from the movie. I thought he was. He is in. Matilda, he plays FBI agent. Bill. Yeah.

Speaker 2 31:14

That's right Anyway yeah, so like the doctor scene where Jack like sees the mirror, he starts laughing hysterically like pulling the bandages off and like walks up the stairs.

Speaker 5 31:20

You never see that doctor again.

Speaker 4 31:22

No.

Speaker 5 31:23

No, but at least he didn't just kill the doctor.

Speaker 2 31:25

The doctor didn't really do anything wrong.

Speaker 5 31:27

There's a comic book line that goes with the movie and it has more behind the scenes but what happens off camera? To kind of tie up some loose ends, and they do kill a doctor in that? Yeah, I figured.

Speaker 2 31:44

Because he's basically just driven insane looking at his reflection and seeing what he's become. Because, because he was very you know image conscious, Because he was Jack Nicholson.

Speaker 4 31:49

Yeah, but then he goes up there he kills Grissom, but he does it like the goofy, like shooting him Because he shoots him and then he starts getting like he does this under the leg behind the back.

Speaker 2 31:59

He's, like you know, hold up a mirror Pulling like an Annie Oakley or something yeah.

Speaker 4 32:10

Griss, gristin had a big role. Yeah, he didn't. He didn't live long, uh, but then uh, basically the says joker starts terrorizing gotham by laces like different hygiene products, with a smilex, which a deadly chemical that causes victims to die laughing but it's, it's like a combination of chemicals which like because when they have like the girl in the news and she's like a combination of chemicals.

Speaker 2 32:27

Because then they have the girl in the news and she's like, yeah.

Speaker 4 32:30

She used a certain lipstick, a certain perfume and a certain deodorant all together makes the Joker poison. I don't know.

Speaker 5 32:37

They talked about in his stupid little Google computer that Batman has in his cage, the Bat-Computer. Yeah, he pulls up Jack Napier and it says he like a professional chemist and all these skills. And you're like how the hell does this guy have all these skills?

Speaker 2 32:53

Henchman school. I guess, At Henchman University. You can be the best.

Speaker 5 32:58

Yeah, he maxed out on all of his stats, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 33:00

I mean, you can't just have your generic brawler henchman, but then you've got your clever henchman. Yeah, guys are going to go to like officer henchmen school.

Speaker 5 33:07

The henchmen that will one day become.

Speaker 2 33:09

The boss.

Speaker 5 33:10

Yeah, the boss, the big boss.

Speaker 4 33:12

The next scene you have is the I forgot the people standing on like city hall steps and whatever and they're talking about how they're going to clean up this city and all that. And then the Joker shows up and he's got like he kills the mayor, he stabs him in the neck or something.

Speaker 2 33:23

The quill, yeah, and it's like, yeah, he stabs him.

Speaker 4 33:30

All the other mimes are walking up and they start shooting and stuff and they shoot holes through Bruce's trench coat. Yeah. And that's the first time that Bob's taking pictures Joker sees Vicky. That's where he gets infatuated with her.

Speaker 2 33:43

Yeah, and he becomes obsessed it.

Speaker 5 33:48

her, yeah, and he becomes obsessed, was kind of a goofy scene, because wasn't there like a whole bunch of cops there?

Speaker 4 33:50

too. They're just like oh crap mimes, because they all had. They all had revolvers and all the mimes had tommy guns.

Speaker 2 33:56

So which is wild. It's like the 80s and it's like oh crap, tommy guns they still let the mayor get quinned quilled he got. Quinned, we do where it's good on this show, sure do.

Vicky Vale and Bruce Wayne

Speaker 4 34:10

Let's see Then Vicky lures her. Or let's see Joker soon becomes obsessed with Vicky and lures her to the Fluggenheim Museum, which his henchmen start vandalizing. What is that song, I can't remember.

Speaker 5 34:25

It's a Prince song, yeah.

Speaker 4 34:27

They start coming in. They're like slapping the paintings with paint.

Speaker 2 34:31

Yeah, and he's like knocking stuff. She gets the gift box, opens it up and it's like the breather. And then all of a sudden the green gas comes in and everybody just knocks out yeah, and it's presumed like they're dead. What if he killed them? And then he shows up and he's got like the dance montage and he's got like the painter's like floppy purple hat and he's just walking twirling the cane, like doing the whole Jack Nicholson, just knocking like statues off of pedestals, like, and he like looks at like a painting.

Speaker 4 35:07

I think it was like a butcher's picture or whatever. Bob goes to cut it and he's like nah, I kind of like this one. And that picture with the butcher's thing is actually in the Joker movie with Joaquin Phoenix. It's hanging in the Joker's apartment.

Speaker 5 35:19

Ah, interesting Full circle.

Speaker 4 35:22

Supposedly it was all coincidence is what the director for the Joaquin Phoenix Joker movie said Todd Phillips. Yeah, he said that's all coincidence, he didn't actually plan that.

Speaker 5 35:31

Uh-huh yeah, somebody did Sure that had that one specific painting.

Speaker 4 35:36

Todd. But yeah, the Joker sits down. He uses his like a flamethrower, like lighter, Lights all the candles. Yeah. Has his girlfriend come in like wearing the mask because he's like burned her?

Speaker 5 35:50

yeah, what was up with that? I? Don't know why he too, is a fan of art look at my latest and then, like she takes the mask off and acid burn. Vicky Veil's like it wasn't that bad. It was just like a little eczema or something you know so but yeah, I guess like her reaction was enough to make her suicidal yeah.

Speaker 4 36:13

Well, because then, like he uses the flower to, like, shoot acid and she ducks, hits the wall, then she throws water in his face and he starts rubbing his face. He's like I'm melting, turns back around, and then about that time is when Batman comes through the ceiling and he has this giant apparatus just to shoot. Yeah two darts Shoot grapples in both directions.

Speaker 2 36:34

It was the 80s. He perfected the carp compartmentalized design. Words do good.

Speaker 5 36:40

Yeah.

Speaker 2 36:42

We're all suffering tonight.

Speaker 5 36:44

It is funny that there is a weird like that's from the uh adam west batman era, like he just whips out a gap. Sharp repellent for like this specific scenario. You know that is the dual grappling hook.

Speaker 4 36:57

Yeah, so then it goes out, they get in the car.

Speaker 5 37:00

How much do you weigh? She's like 120 or what is she?

Speaker 4 37:03

that's later on, yeah that's when he uses the small grappling hook but like because they they fly out of the music small grappling hook. They fly out of the museum land, hit the doors, go out the museum. They're like get in the car, which one the big?

Speaker 5 37:16

black one, the one with the bat wings on it. Maybe Is that yours?

Speaker 2 37:21

No, actually the.

Speaker 5 37:23

Prius obviously.

Speaker 4 37:26

But they jump in there. I'm in that 88 Cutlass. And then you got, like the Joker has like their own vehicles because they're all purple and green, yeah, they're driving around. You got the one driver and then all the rest of them in the car, like hanging out the side shooting.

Speaker 5 37:38

That's where the like ridiculous death happens. Where like he like harpoons, one of the cars and, like you know, tomahawk swings it into a wall and a fireball explodes and you're like well, okay clearly that guy died.

Speaker 1 37:53

I don't break the rule.

Speaker 5 37:53

He just zooms out. He doesn't even like look over his shoulder or something like that, and he's probably just thinking in his head like that would be all right. Put some.

Speaker 1 38:00

Vaseline on it and he'd be, fine, you got this whole Batmobile.

Speaker 4 38:04

He's outrunning all these cars. This random bulldozer just pulls up in front of him and he just stops and gets out and runs away from the car. He activates the shield or whatever Shields. Although that was kind of cool. The shield's coming out, but it's like, of all the things you're running, from all the things this car can do, the bulldozer pulls up in front of you. So you've got to stop.

Speaker 2 38:30

What's he going to do?

Speaker 4 38:30

Up the Bulldozer he could have backed up and moved around. I don't know, is this the movie where we got basically the Batmobile design for the next 20 years? Yeah Well, it was for the first two, it was.

Speaker 5 38:35

Batman and Batman Returns, well, even for Batman Forever.

Speaker 2 38:37

I'm saying that really long hood with the turbine in the front, the flames at the wings.

Speaker 5 38:42

I had to watch a documentary in college called. Movie Masculinity. And they documentary in college called like movie masculinity, and they talk a lot about the batmobile because of its phallic Length and stuff like that. It looked like a roving penis, you know, and they said like the crappier the movies got, the more phallic the the more hard. I think that's somebody just Reaching. It was some, like you know, curly haired lady that was like kind of going off the rails a little bit.

Speaker 5 39:06

She had short hair and a vest yes, the car does look kind of like a penis.

Speaker 4 39:09

I gotcha all right, yeah there's a lot of objects that just look like penises but yeah, then they, uh, they run into the, uh, some other alley. You have the joker's car pull up as they're like trying to go up, and that's when she's like how much do you weigh? Yeah they get like halfway up, the grappler just stops working's when she's like how much do you weigh?

Speaker 5 39:30

They get halfway up. The grappler just stops working. Yeah, yeah, he's like because she said, didn't she say something crazy, like 85 pounds.

Speaker 4 39:35

I want to say she was like 120-something is what she said. Oh no, no. Well, I can't remember exactly what.

Speaker 5 39:43

She said she was less than 100 pounds and I was like no.

Speaker 4 39:50

All pounds and I was like, no, all right, kim basing, yeah, okay, but but again he has like the rag doll, because he unclips it from his belly, he just falls, hits the thing, fall and rolls off the car yeah, then he rolls over, kicks one guy and they shoot him in the chest yeah and then he plays possum.

Speaker 4 40:00

He just lays there, he's got body armor, everybody play dead. And then I like how they're trying to catch her, not kill her, but they go to move his mask. She takes a. I like how they're trying to catch her, not kill her, but they go to move his mask. She takes a picture. And then they're like get her and they just start firing at the building.

Speaker 5 40:15

Well, they took a picture.

Speaker 2 40:16

So. So anyway, I started blasting.

Speaker 4 40:18

But then Batman gets up, beats all of them up, and then some random guy jumps over the fence with the swords.

Speaker 5 40:24

Oh yeah, yeah, it's like ah, it is like the Dragon Ball Z, like palm heel stop, and the guy just like runs into it, isn't it like his crotch, or something like that? He just like grabs him and throws him to the ground.

Speaker 4 40:36

Well, he starts doing all the swords and stuff and Batman's, like you know, blocking, countering or whatever. And then as the guy starts getting closer, he Straight kicks him in the chin. There was another time where that's later on in the church, yeah. But yeah, like this guy comes, like you know, doing a little ninja sword stuff, and this is probably the most Batman actually fights as opposed to just like brawling with someone.

Speaker 5 40:57

Yeah, like he's been trained in the martial arts at some point In karate.

Speaker 4 41:01

After he beats him. You got Bob that comes up from behind the trash with like a knife, yeah, and he's like just does his finger like come on, bob, just drops his knife and runs away. He's like ah, you got me.

Speaker 2 41:12

Bob is a smart man, so obviously after Batman rescuing Vicky to move on in the scenes.

Speaker 4 41:20

Oh, I was going to say after that, you get the coolest part of the movie, though you get the scene where the batmobile is driving down those dark roads in the woods and you just got leaves flying everywhere as he flies down the road through the instead of uh christian bale in the first in batman begins right now

Speaker 5 41:39

I sleep on the couch but yeah, he like goes through the waterfall. It's a good thing that there's not more than one waterfall I put out those, uh, those jets.

Speaker 4 41:49

Then, like, as he pulls into the Batcave, they both get out. She like starts walking. He's like watch your step Turns on the lights. She's like this, far from an endless drop, and he just has a random pet bat hanging there. And the bat's like.

Speaker 5 42:05

He takes her into the Batcave and she's just like perusing around. Like. Check this out. I'm like I guess he doesn't care about his secret identity. Then she gets close to him to look at his face, but he does it with the awkward fused vertebrae turn.

Speaker 2 42:19

He's like it's because, the suit wasn't articulated in the neck. That's what he does.

Speaker 4 42:25

He steps back a little further in the shadow and tosses the folder at her.

Speaker 2 42:29

He gives her all the information on the Smilax nonsense.

Speaker 5 42:33

So if he does care that she can't know who his identity is, why? Do you? Take her to the Batcave. It's not like she can't figure out that it's below the manor, the Bruce Wayne manor.

Speaker 4 42:43

How would she figure that out right there?

Speaker 5 42:45

She can get out and figure it out, she's had a long night.

Speaker 2 42:47

She might not put too many people.

The Joker's Reign of Terror

Speaker 4 42:48

No, because basically he knocks her out. Oh, that's right. Takes her back to her apartment and when she wakes up she's like feeling her chest Because evidently he reached in there and took the camera film stuff out of the shed in there, yeah.

Speaker 5 43:02

Bruce copping a feel she does like wake up in a weird position. I'm not going to lie, bat roofies.

Speaker 4 43:12

It's rubbing her back. I call it the bat Cosby, the bat Cosby. But then you know, like later on in the movie she kind of like she sees Bruce Wayne going to the like the parents death spot. It's not his grave, it's just the alley, and he's like leaving a flower and she starts putting two and two together and that's, she goes back and, well, he goes to her apartment about their relationship and tries to tell her and tries to kind of like talk to her, but not knowing the Joker's already there or the Joker shows up and interrupts it.

Speaker 4 43:39

Yeah, because he's trying to tell her who he is. Yeah, and that's where we get the.

Speaker 2 43:45

And he's like smashing stuff and he's just like you're that, bruce Wayne guy. He's like you ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight. And guy he's, like you ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight. And Bruce Lee goes what? And he goes. I don't know he's like. I just like saying it before I kill people.

Speaker 4 43:58

I mean, he did a good job though of like a realization. Look on his face Like wait a minute. I've heard that.

Speaker 2 44:03

I gotta say and then it's revealed that the Joker is the one that killed his parents because he said it to his parents.

Speaker 5 44:10

Yeah, I got to say for Jack Nicholson to be able to shoot the Batplane out of the sky. With a gigantic revolver. And then like the little tin serving plate that stops the bullet. Well it is a different gun.

Speaker 4 44:26

Okay, one was a short barrel, one was a long barrel.

Speaker 5 44:29

Well, he figured that out, I guess. I guess the bigger the barrel, the the more damage does, or something, of course, yeah yeah yeah it is, and how no one knew he had a serving tray right against him. Yeah, he does, wearing a suit he does kind of like, die kind of silly, he just like slumps into the corner my question in broad daylight, in a suit.

Speaker 4 44:52

Where did he go Like, even if you're Batman, where?

Speaker 5 44:55

do you?

Speaker 4 44:55

go. He's Batman. He's turned around, he's gone. I am the knight. But then after that point she starts doing some research and she figures it out and shows up at the Batcave and Alfred brings her down.

Speaker 5 45:07

Oh yeah, alfred doesn't care, oh yeah.

Speaker 4 45:09

Alfred doesn't care.

Speaker 2 45:10

Alfred's like finally, I'm tired of these games. Maybe, this guy will finally get laid and stop being a Batman. It's like you might be the one that makes him stop running around dressed up as a bat and fighting people.

Speaker 5 45:21

He really needs some help. I need you to take one for the team.

Speaker 2 45:24

It's been a long long.

Speaker 5 45:25

Here's $100,000. Please.

Speaker 6 45:33

It's been 28 years since the night his parents were killed. He put on a mask later that night and started punching me. Through years and years of electrotherapy. We got him to just concentrate on criminals.

Speaker 5 45:45

That'd be a much better origin story.

Speaker 4 45:47

And then the next part is you have the Joker basically hijacking the TV network and talking about how he's going to give back to the community. It's like this guy's been killing people and all these people are like, oh yeah, let's support the Joker, he's going to give us money, yeah right, Literally, though that would happen.

Speaker 5 46:03

True, I do love, though, all the newscasters stop wearing their makeups and stuff. Yeah, you see them. They got like zits and stuff.

Speaker 2 46:12

They're just tired Raggedy looking people. What happened to you, Tom Tucker?

Speaker 5 46:19

Because I guess everybody buys from Axis Chemicals.

Speaker 4 46:23

The Joker has his parade. He's on a big float with all these balloons.

Speaker 5 46:27

Do a stupid dance.

Speaker 4 46:29

Money, money, money, money money.

Speaker 2 46:31

Axis Chemicals building your future today.

Speaker 4 46:35

Well, batman starts flying the Batplane around and you know.

Speaker 5 46:38

He has the special apparatus.

Speaker 4 46:40

He's got the Bat scissors on the front of the plane.

Speaker 5 46:43

Of course he does. He pre-planned it.

Speaker 2 46:44

He's like one day there's going to be a parade of balloons, Doesn't he skyhook them pretty much.

Speaker 5 46:49

He like, he captures them all.

Speaker 2 46:51

Yeah, the sky like what they used to do in Vietnam.

Speaker 4 46:53

Yeah he flies down and catches them all, basically Takes them up and then cuts it into outer space. And then does the iconic bat in the moon thing, yeah, flies up and then goes back down and then gets shot down by a revolver, a very gigantic it is funny though he's got these long pants, he pulls it out of his pants.

Speaker 2 47:15

It would have been great if he pulled the trigger and just went bang. The little flag popped out. Doesn't he do that later when he fights?

Speaker 4 47:22

He's up there with Vicky Vale later. He's like I just can't take it anymore, Just to scare her.

Speaker 2 47:28

He just starts laughing.

Speaker 4 47:31

When the Batplane crashes, for whatever reason, Vicky Vale just happens to be right there. Joker grabs her and takes her up into the like 500-floor cathedral. We need to move this movie along, let's go.

Speaker 2 47:43

The megathedral.

Speaker 4 47:44

Yeah, you got. You know, downtrodden, beaten, downtrodden beaten Batman like climbing out of the plane. Well, I like how the next 10 minutes With his vertebrae and his neck fused together into his shoulders to go. The next 10 minutes of the movie is him climbing stairs to get to the top of the tower.

Speaker 5 48:05

It is an unrealistically tall cathedral.

Speaker 2 48:07

I've been to large cathedral churches in Europe and it really feels that way.

Speaker 4 48:11

Well, I mean because, if you look at it, they've got those spotlights and the spotlights don't even reach the top. They're like shining them back.

Speaker 2 48:15

The lights aren't strong enough.

Speaker 4 48:17

Well, they only went about halfway up, but so you know. They get to the top of there and then she's like he's making her dance with him all around.

Speaker 5 48:26

Yeah, unconscious, or at least she's like. She's kind of like like half conscious kind of thing.

Speaker 4 48:33

And then, uh, why, why did I do this movie? Batman finally like starts to go up the the tower or whatever. When they get to the top, joker shoots the bell with like acid and the bell comes falling down.

Speaker 5 48:43

Yeah, and he misses Batman, but he kills like a bunch of his henchmen or something, doesn't he?

Speaker 4 48:48

No, it lands and blocks off to where? The police can get it Well he kills Bob.

Speaker 2 48:53

Does he? Yeah, joker kills Bob. Yeah, I don't remember him doing that. Yeah, when.

Speaker 4 48:57

In the movie. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I know in the movie but I forgot he does, he goes. Bob, give me your gun.

Speaker 5 49:09

Takes it and then shoots him, and I, poor Bob, bob didn't deserve it.

Speaker 4 49:14

When they get to the top, though that's when you have you can hear the Joker talking to Batman, but you can't see him, and then that's when the guy you were talking about with the, like, dual feet, swords or whatever comes diving out and Batman just holds like palm strikes and he flies towards him.

Speaker 4 49:26

That's the guy's like ah, and then you got John Henry. He let that guy die too. He let the John Henry guy, the big black guy, just comes in and throws Batman around, beating him up, because you have the Rocky sounds where Batman's in the corner and the guy's like punch him in the stomach. I could do this all day. He throws Batman into the other bell. You see Batman fall and then, as the guy's's looking, all of a sudden Batman's standing on top jumps off and the guy throws him into the wall, throws him through the steps.

Speaker 5 49:58

Doesn't Batman kill that guy too?

Speaker 2 50:00

Yeah, he just shoots him right in the face Bat gun he tries to throw him.

Speaker 4 50:10

He tries to throw him down like the shaft and when he looks over, you just see Batman's legs come up. Yeah, the calves grab him by the head and flip him over.

Speaker 5 50:19

What was he holding on with that? He can just contort his body where feet pop out His penis. And grab him Just.

Speaker 4 50:28

But then as Vicky.

Speaker 2 50:31

It's like a piece of railing. He just pinched it between his butt, cheeks, yeah.

Speaker 5 50:35

What's funny is he watches that guy fall. I remember him looking at him fall, and I was just thinking. In his mind he's like yeah, he'll be all right.

Speaker 2 50:43

Yeah, he'll walk. He probably has insurance.

Speaker 4 50:46

But then you have Vicky and Joker dancing around and Vicky sees Batman walk from from instead of going straight to him. He's like creeping up, like walks from corner to corner, like you know you see, if she's liking it, so then she.

Speaker 1 50:59

So she starts like kissing Joker like trying to she does like it, trap him oh, what the hell I'm out of here.

Speaker 5 51:05

You're on your own. No Batman come back.

Speaker 4 51:08

He was on the roofs then Batman, like he was on the roofs. The Batman sneaks up on, taps Joker on the shoulder and does the Pelman line, punches him in the face.

Speaker 2 51:17

I love when Jack Nicholson's bleeding from his mouth and he's like hang on and he pulls out glasses and puts them in.

Speaker 1 51:23

You wouldn't hit a guy with glasses, would you?

Speaker 2 51:24

And.

Speaker 4 51:25

Batman just goes. And then he's like Spits out the little chattering teeth.

Batmobile Chase and Final Confrontation

Speaker 2 51:31

It's so stupid, but it's so funny it works great, yeah.

Speaker 4 51:39

But then they get over, like was it? Towards the edge, Like the edge of the the gargoyle. Yeah Well, Joker gets knocked over the side and they think, oh, you know. They look over, thinking he's dead, and he reaches up, grabs them both by the hand, flips them over and somehow he gets up. Joker does yeah, he's like standing on this ledge that was down there, that they didn't know about.

Speaker 5 51:58

And then he's like trying to stomp on their fingers or whatever kick them off, and then they.

Speaker 4 52:03

I think Vicky falls first, yeah, and then Batman catches her and moves her over to the other side. And then, as the henchmen come in with the plane with the ladder on it, he grabs a hold of the ladder and, as he's starting to take off, batman shoots the grapple, hits his foot and then around the gargoyle.

Speaker 5 52:20

That's another special kind of grapple he brought just for this situation, the gargoyle grapple.

Speaker 2 52:25

I'm going to need that. He made it eight years ago and Alfred's like explain it to me one more time.

Speaker 5 52:31

One of these days, alfred, I'm telling you, there will be a man trying to escape in a helicopter. I'm going to need a strap. It will be on a church.

Speaker 2 52:36

And I can grapple him to something else. Maybe that is Batman, it'll work. Alfred, it'll work 20 bucks.

Speaker 4 52:43

But I like how the guys in the helicopter see the Joker be lifted, see everything swinging and hanging, him struggling to hang on and instead of just like moving him over back onto the balcony, they just fly further away.

Speaker 5 52:58

And then he falls. Yeah, he doesn't like try to undo the grapple on his ankle or anything, he's just like Well, because he's holding on to the ladder. Okay, you have two hands. He's also holding up the weight of the car coil Not at first. Well, true, yeah, so you know, but anyway.

Speaker 4 53:13

Yeah.

Speaker 5 53:14

They could have just been like no, no, and then dropped him on the building. Yeah, but no, I do like it when he hits the ground, like cops surround him and he's got that eerie laughing.

Speaker 4 53:23

Yeah, the little laughing bag in his jacket.

Speaker 2 53:30

It would have been funny if the old pan panda just started blasting at him.

Speaker 4 53:32

He's like then it cuts to the the uh, what is it? The mayor and all that they're like. He came with a signal. Yeah, they light it up and he's like standing on a balcony the best comic book soundtrack.

Speaker 5 53:50

Like the best comic book, like hero song, I think, is the Danny Elfman Batman.

Speaker 2 53:58

Yeah, it is Danny Elfman.

Speaker 4 54:00

I have to agree. It's like the iconic Batman song. So much so they ended up using it for Batman, the Animated Series as well.

Speaker 5 54:07

Don't get me wrong, I love Hans Zimmer. I think that the Christopher Nolan Batman's music is good, but it's not as iconic as the Danny Elfman Batman. Yeah. And if you think about the Avengers or any of the other superhero comic book movies like Spider-Man or whatever, nothing sticks. Nothing slaps as hard as 1989.

Speaker 2 54:26

Batman Nope. Do you know what band Danny Elfman was in Oingo?

Speaker 5 54:29

Boingo, no Oingo.

Speaker 2 54:30

Boingo, not Oingo Boingo.

Speaker 5 54:32

No, oingo Boingo, not Oingo Boingo, I said Oingo.

Speaker 2 54:33

Boingo. No, you said Oingo Boingo.

Speaker 5 54:36

Whatever I said, oingo, boingo, whatever, whatever, tom Go, you just had to be right about something. I should have been like no. Tom tell me.

Speaker 4 54:46

Sure, why not?

Speaker 2 54:49

What I didn't know, that I looked up Michael Gow, who plays Alfred he's in all four of these. Yeah Well because it's supposed to be the same person, because he looks 4,000 years old.

Speaker 4 54:59

He looks the same age as the first one In Batman 89.

Speaker 2 55:01

He passed away in 2011. They made it look like he was already dead.

Speaker 5 55:07

Didn't he die in one of the Batmans?

Speaker 4 55:11

No, they were about to in the fourth one.

Speaker 2 55:12

Yeah, they like save him.

Speaker 4 55:15

The freeze thing.

Speaker 2 55:16

He dies in the George Clooney one.

Speaker 4 55:18

No, he didn't die.

Speaker 2 55:19

No, he doesn't die. I mean, he's almost like.

Speaker 4 55:21

Yeah, they had to find the cure and freeze gives them the cure at the end.

Speaker 1 55:25

What killed the dinosaurs? The? Ice. Age.

Speaker 5 55:30

That's what we're doing next. Jump straight to Batman and Robin.

Speaker 2 55:36

We're just going to skip Batman Forever and Batman Returns. Yeah, why not? We can skip Batman Forever by all rights. We should.

Speaker 4 55:49

What would y'all rate this movie? Not saying it's, I guess, let's see. What would y'all rate this movie, you know. Not saying it's, you know, I guess let's see. What would you consider the movie I?

Speaker 5 55:55

think a 7.5 is a pretty solid one. Does it stand up to the test of time? You know, yes, but not like as well as other movies had in the past.

Speaker 4 56:06

You know, so 7.5, if you're not counting the fact that it's older and doesn't have the modern CGI.

Speaker 5 56:12

Well, why not? Why can't? I mean you think about it like the original Superman, right? Yeah, it's corny, and you know, can I believe a man can fly after watching that movie? Nah, nah, but it is like the quintessential.

Speaker 2 56:28

Superman.

Speaker 5 56:28

Yeah, and like that, I think is a lot more of a solid landing than this movie is. It's a great movie, don't get me wrong, but I don't think it'll be quite as generational as the original Superman is.

Speaker 2 56:45

I agree. I agree, I'd say a 7 out of 10. Okay, and that's just. Some. Stuff is kind of. It is kind of corny when you watch it. I mean, yes, it is a comic book movie. They do a lot of stuff right. They do a great job with certain things, with, you know, the introducing batman, because you think it's going to be oh, his parents were killed, but it's actually kind of like a deja vu, almost kind of moment. But he's already Batman, lowered Batman.

Speaker 2 57:18

The two guys are on the police trying to lower him and saying blinds or something in a window, and they managed to do it. There's a lot of campiness to it, especially with Jack Nicholson's character.

Rating Batman 1989 and Final Thoughts

Speaker 2 57:32

This was not camping compared to what they right we're used to where they were coming from with the adam west batman I feel like, though, they did a good job of getting a a touch of that flavor, yeah, and a more modern flavor, because there's moments where jack nicholson becomes kind of a scary joker, like we're talking to vicky vale and he has the little mask thing that his girl was wearing and he's talking to her today. He yells and smashes it, yeah, where everybody was kind of like ugh, yeah, like he had like that in him to do it, yeah. So I think there's a lot of good. I think just some of it was just like oh, batman 8-9 was one of the best movies ever. It's like it's still, it's a Batman movie.

Speaker 5 58:12

Yeah, it started the long edgier Batman generation.

Speaker 2 58:17

There's a lot of worse Batman films, there's a few better ones, but this is easily probably one of the top five Batman movies of all time. It's probably one of the top three Batman movies. It's up there.

Speaker 4 58:29

I mean it's hard to compete with like stuff, like the null one, but then again they have had, they had more resources to to make that one better and more time and more to develop and stuff.

Speaker 2 58:40

So yeah, yeah, yeah, I think for the, the product that we got in 1989 was probably the best they could have done. Yeah, I think in 1989. This is probably a 9 out of 10 movie, yeah, or at least an 8, 8 1⁄2.

Speaker 4 58:59

I give it an 8, just you know, for me Okay.

Speaker 2 59:01

Granted. I like.

Speaker 4 59:02

Batman a lot, but there are, like we were saying, I do like the Batman Begins and Dark Knight and stuff, access.

Speaker 2 59:08

Chemicals. You know the 1940s kind of vibe. You know the 1940s kind of vibe you know comic book-y looking nonsense, but I mean they tried to do the same thing in the Nolan trilogy, in the first one, where it kind of had a little flavor of that With, like the big monorail thing it's going through the city Like Marta. Yeah, like Marta.

Speaker 5 59:31

Some stuff almost had a steampunk-esque kind of feel to it, like consumerism, like the city eating itself.

Speaker 2 59:33

Yeah, a lot of steam going on. It had its own style of it.

Speaker 4 59:41

I give it an 8, a little bit higher than y'all, just because it set the tone for everything going forward to me in superhero movies, because you can have a more serious tone of a superhero movie as opposed to the Batman 8-9 and even the Superman. Because, like I said, you liked it and I like it, but it was still kind of goofy and campy it was, but it was the absolute first of its kind where people were trying to take a superhero movie seriously. Yeah.

Speaker 5 1:00:07

So 7.5, I feel like it's pretty on the nose.

Speaker 4 1:00:11

That's kind of what we equal out to, so I'm right.

Speaker 2 1:00:18

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