In this episode of the Scrum.org Community Podcast, Host Dave West is joined by Professional Scrum Trainers and authors of the book Creating Agile Organizations, A Systemic Approach, Cesario Ramos and Ilia Pavlichenko.

They chat about their motivation behind the book, problems with traditional organizational design, the importance of senior management support and more.

Learn more: https://creatingagileorganizations.com/