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Did you have something"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":634.28,"endTime":637.58,"body":"else to add there? Are you good?"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":638.24,"endTime":641.14,"body":"That was a pretty comprehensive"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":638.24,"endTime":641.14,"body":"answer. I'm"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":641.14,"endTime":644.08,"body":"good. Let's go."},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":641.14,"endTime":644.08,"body":"Let's go to the second one."},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":644.38,"endTime":648.82,"body":"Nice. 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Good"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":769.36,"endTime":774.76,"body":"luck and also congratulations."},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":769.36,"endTime":774.76,"body":"That's exciting to embark on a"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":774.76,"endTime":781.32,"body":"new career move there. So"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":774.76,"endTime":781.32,"body":"awesome. Next question here, I"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":781.32,"endTime":785.22,"body":"have a team that I believe, that"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":781.32,"endTime":785.22,"body":"believes that it is the job"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":785.22,"endTime":789.0,"body":"scope of Scrum Master to always"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":785.22,"endTime":789.0,"body":"host retrospective sessions."},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":789.0,"endTime":792.54,"body":"However, I have a different view"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":789.0,"endTime":792.54,"body":"from my perspective, the scrum"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":792.54,"endTime":796.92,"body":"master is someone that"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":792.54,"endTime":796.92,"body":"established the agile practices,"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":796.92,"endTime":801.26,"body":"especially scrum into the team"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":796.92,"endTime":801.26,"body":"when this practice is well"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":801.26,"endTime":805.52,"body":"established, like writing"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":801.26,"endTime":805.52,"body":"product backlog items, hosting"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":805.52,"endTime":810.8,"body":"the retrospective can be"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":805.52,"endTime":810.8,"body":"delegated to other scrum team"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":810.8,"endTime":816.62,"body":"members when there's no major"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":810.8,"endTime":816.62,"body":"impediment happening, because"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":816.68,"endTime":820.42,"body":"the scrum master still needs to"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":816.68,"endTime":820.42,"body":"serve the organization. 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Bart,"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":1317.52,"endTime":1320.22,"body":"also, let me"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":1317.52,"endTime":1320.22,"body":"add something to that. Lindsay,"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":1320.22,"endTime":1323.78,"body":"also, after this webinar, of"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":1320.22,"endTime":1323.78,"body":"course, if you're if you have"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":1323.78,"endTime":1326.9,"body":"the feeling that then an answer"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":1323.78,"endTime":1326.9,"body":"needs some more reflection, and"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":1326.9,"endTime":1331.34,"body":"drop in my LinkedIn inbox, ask"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":1326.9,"endTime":1331.34,"body":"your question there. Maybe when"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":1331.52,"endTime":1334.82,"body":"we can co create a blog and"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":1331.52,"endTime":1334.82,"body":"publish it on the scrum.org"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":1335.9,"endTime":1339.32,"body":"community, which would be a nice"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":1335.9,"endTime":1339.32,"body":"addition, maybe after this"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":1339.32,"endTime":1339.74,"body":"webinar."},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":1339.86,"endTime":1343.96,"body":"Just, yeah,"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":1339.86,"endTime":1343.96,"body":"absolutely. Okay, cool. Thank"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":1343.96,"endTime":1352.42,"body":"you. 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It feels to me like"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":2453.079,"endTime":2456.679,"body":"the team"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":2453.079,"endTime":2456.679,"body":"isn't, isn't really speaking up"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":2456.679,"endTime":2462.039,"body":"during Yeah, planning is what"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":2456.679,"endTime":2462.039,"body":"I'm getting from or refinement."},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":2462.039,"endTime":2465.039,"body":"And then there's things that pop"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":2462.039,"endTime":2465.039,"body":"up during the sprint that could"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":2465.099,"endTime":2469.059,"body":"have been covered in planning or"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":2465.099,"endTime":2469.059,"body":"refinement. That's what I'm"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":2469.059,"endTime":2473.379,"body":"getting from it. 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All"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3197.099,"endTime":3200.239,"body":"right, so we have time here for"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3200.239,"endTime":3203.359,"body":"maybe one or two more questions."},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3200.239,"endTime":3203.359,"body":"There are quite a few open"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3203.359,"endTime":3207.919,"body":"questions, so I will be sure to"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3203.359,"endTime":3207.919,"body":"share these with Bart after the"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3207.919,"endTime":3210.439,"body":"session, and we'll figure out a"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3207.919,"endTime":3210.439,"body":"way to get them addressed. So if"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3210.439,"endTime":3214.759,"body":"we don't get to your question,"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3210.439,"endTime":3214.759,"body":"we will figure out a way to"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3214.759,"endTime":3217.579,"body":"address it in some way, shape or"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3214.759,"endTime":3217.579,"body":"form. So don't worry about that."},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3217.939,"endTime":3222.939,"body":"So this one here, so I'm"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3217.939,"endTime":3222.939,"body":"starting as a scrum master soon"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3222.939,"endTime":3228.999,"body":"at a new big organization."},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3222.939,"endTime":3228.999,"body":"Congrats. 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And in most bigger"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3251.579,"endTime":3255.539,"body":"organizations, impediments need"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3255.539,"endTime":3260.179,"body":"to be resolved by other people"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3255.539,"endTime":3260.179,"body":"than you. So what's what? What"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3260.179,"endTime":3262.999,"body":"what is the time that it takes"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3260.179,"endTime":3262.999,"body":"for impediments to be resolved?"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3263.119,"endTime":3266.899,"body":"I would at first, if you have"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3263.119,"endTime":3266.899,"body":"the ability to just observe the"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3266.899,"endTime":3270.199,"body":"team and the organization for"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3266.899,"endTime":3270.199,"body":"around two to four weeks, I"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3270.199,"endTime":3274.759,"body":"should so you don't jump in, you"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3270.199,"endTime":3274.759,"body":"jump in on on, putting out every"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3274.759,"endTime":3278.179,"body":"fire, and you start facilitating"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3274.759,"endTime":3278.179,"body":"right away, because you might"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3278.179,"endTime":3281.439,"body":"miss some important information"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3278.179,"endTime":3281.439,"body":"to do your job in a more"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3281.439,"endTime":3286.899,"body":"effective way. 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Hope you have a good"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3353.019,"endTime":3356.139,"body":"start. Good luck. 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Somebody said you did"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3522.279,"endTime":3527.679,"body":"indeed answer it just the right"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3522.279,"endTime":3527.679,"body":"way, so we got it. Good job."},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3527.679,"endTime":3528.099,"body":"Bart."},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3528.879,"endTime":3531.159,"body":"Thank you so"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3528.879,"endTime":3531.159,"body":"much. So"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3531.46,"endTime":3535.18,"body":"unfortunately,"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3531.46,"endTime":3535.18,"body":"we are at our hour. Thank you so"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3535.18,"endTime":3539.44,"body":"much to our listeners who sent"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3535.18,"endTime":3539.44,"body":"in so many great questions."},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3539.92,"endTime":3544.26,"body":"Usually in these sessions, I"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3539.92,"endTime":3544.26,"body":"group questions together there."},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3544.32,"endTime":3547.62,"body":"There were very few that were"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3544.32,"endTime":3547.62,"body":"like similar to group together."},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3547.62,"endTime":3551.1,"body":"They were very diverse group of"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3547.62,"endTime":3551.1,"body":"questions. So thank you so much."},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3552.3,"endTime":3555.3,"body":"It looks like there's still a"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3552.3,"endTime":3555.3,"body":"few questions coming in into the"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3555.3,"endTime":3559.02,"body":"chat. I'll give you like a"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3555.3,"endTime":3559.02,"body":"moment here to just move them"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3559.02,"endTime":3562.16,"body":"over to the Q and A, because"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3559.02,"endTime":3562.16,"body":"that's the report that I export"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3562.16,"endTime":3566.06,"body":"after this that I'm going to"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3562.16,"endTime":3566.06,"body":"share with. Bart. So if you"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3566.12,"endTime":3572.36,"body":"typed questions that have been"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3566.12,"endTime":3572.36,"body":"unanswered, please add them to"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3572.36,"endTime":3576.02,"body":"the Q and A now, and while we"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3572.36,"endTime":3576.02,"body":"wrap up here, Bart, are there"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3576.02,"endTime":3579.98,"body":"any parting advice or that you"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3576.02,"endTime":3579.98,"body":"want to share with this group"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3580.34,"endTime":3583.66,"body":"and also, the best way to"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3580.34,"endTime":3583.66,"body":"connect with you, I believe, is"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3583.66,"endTime":3584.98,"body":"on LinkedIn. Correct?"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3585.64,"endTime":3588.4,"body":"Yeah, yeah,"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3585.64,"endTime":3588.4,"body":"yeah. I'm very easy to find on"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3588.4,"endTime":3591.1,"body":"LinkedIn. I have a very Dutch"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3588.4,"endTime":3591.1,"body":"name, and even in the"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3591.1,"endTime":3594.94,"body":"Netherlands, there are not a lot"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3591.1,"endTime":3594.94,"body":"of people who are named barter"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3594.94,"endTime":3597.94,"body":"station. So it's, it's quite"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3594.94,"endTime":3597.94,"body":"easy. I'm quite easy to find."},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3598.12,"endTime":3601.68,"body":"You can also take a look at my."},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3598.12,"endTime":3601.68,"body":"Employers website, which is"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3601.74,"endTime":3606.78,"body":"proerness.com, there you can"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3601.74,"endTime":3606.78,"body":"find me. We are also publishing"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3606.78,"endTime":3611.04,"body":"on YouTube. So if you search"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3606.78,"endTime":3611.04,"body":"YouTube, the video platform, you"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3611.16,"endTime":3615.18,"body":"search for agile BS, then you"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3611.16,"endTime":3615.18,"body":"can find the channel that I've"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3615.18,"endTime":3620.42,"body":"created together with fellow"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3615.18,"endTime":3620.42,"body":"PST, Stas Pavlov. That's the"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3620.42,"endTime":3624.8,"body":"easiest way. So please feel free"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3620.42,"endTime":3624.8,"body":"to connect and to link with me"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3624.8,"endTime":3628.64,"body":"in every any way possible. You"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3624.8,"endTime":3628.64,"body":"can also send me an email. I"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3628.64,"endTime":3632.96,"body":"think my emails out and about in"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3628.64,"endTime":3632.96,"body":"the world, wide, world web. So"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3633.44,"endTime":3637.82,"body":"please do so. And some some"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3633.44,"endTime":3637.82,"body":"advice for for all of the"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3637.82,"endTime":3644.26,"body":"participants, yeah, don't."},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3637.82,"endTime":3644.26,"body":"Don't. Don't make everything too"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3644.26,"endTime":3651.34,"body":"heavy. Have some fun in your"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3644.26,"endTime":3651.34,"body":"work. I think we have an awesome"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3651.34,"endTime":3657.16,"body":"job. We have an awesome"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3651.34,"endTime":3657.16,"body":"community of agile experts all"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3657.16,"endTime":3661.08,"body":"over the world, and it's a fun,"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3657.16,"endTime":3661.08,"body":"fun community to be a part of."},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3661.14,"endTime":3666.54,"body":"So have some fun in your job and"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3661.14,"endTime":3666.54,"body":"do your job properly, but with a"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3666.54,"endTime":3670.56,"body":"lot of fun, it makes getting up"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3666.54,"endTime":3670.56,"body":"in the morning just a bit"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3670.56,"endTime":3673.98,"body":"easier. So yeah, that would be"},{"speaker":"Bart Versteegen","startTime":3670.56,"endTime":3673.98,"body":"my my last advice."},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3674.639,"endTime":3676.799,"body":"Awesome. Thank"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3674.639,"endTime":3676.799,"body":"you so much for taking the time"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3676.799,"endTime":3679.559,"body":"today, Bart, and thank you to"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3676.799,"endTime":3679.559,"body":"our listeners for all the great"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3679.559,"endTime":3684.259,"body":"questions, and we hope to see"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3679.559,"endTime":3684.259,"body":"you at a session again soon. So"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3684.319,"endTime":3686.659,"body":"thank you, everybody and Scrum"},{"speaker":"Lindsay Velecina","startTime":3684.319,"endTime":3686.659,"body":"on you."}]}