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Double Ds: Season Finale Reviews of Daredevil & Darth Maul
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Welcome to a new episode of the Three Hokus Podcast. We're your host, Kay Creeman Hanif. We're going to hit you with a little bit of double D pause. We're going to start with Darth Maul, and then we're going to jump into Daredevil. So let's discuss the season of Star Wars' latest animated series, Darth Maul Shadow Lord. For the past few weeks, we teased and talked about it in brief, but now that the season's over, we're going to give you a spoiler-heavy Darth Maul review. So if you haven't seen it yet, you know, if you want to pause this podcast and come back, we're going to talk about all the episodes in one bunch and we will talk about the Easter eggs. We will talk about spoilers of things like that. So without further ado, Kareem, Darth Maul, yay or nay? What was your take on this animated series?
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, yeah. I think it it captures that that unique Star Wars magic, similar to other top quality shows that have come out in the past few years. And I think it carries it forward. It has enough in it for nostalgic reasons in terms of excitement, feeling the familiar along with a brand new storyline, especially considering that this is not its own timeline. This is technically a prequel, but it's also a sequel. So it's it's somewhere in between where even though you don't know where the story is going to end, you have an idea where it will not end. Like, you know, Dolph Moore is not going to beat everybody. When characters make appearance in the show, you know what's going to happen with them or what's not going to happen with them. But I think it it finds its own niche to tell a story about not just Dolph Moore, um, but about the other characters enough where it feels engrossing. Um it doesn't feel tedious, it doesn't feel you know repetitive. None of the characters felt annoying to me. Um even when they added, you know, sons that probably shouldn't really be in the action, and they're suddenly somehow better shooters than stormtroopers. You know, I can overlook. Because it's part of that, you know, that that Star Wars magic or you know, suspension of disbelief. Um and had legit moments where I'm like just sitting there at the edge of my chair, like, yo, this is intense. I'm nervous. Um, who's going to survive? And then, you know, a moment that I'm sure we're going to spoil where I'm like, yo, are you serious? Are you serious? I already know. Yeah. But it has that same reaction, which lets you know that it really is like only just one villain, like who's number one over decades. Um, because it's the same reaction every time you see this character, no matter how many times, you have the same reaction. So I say absolutely yay. Um this captures that that magic, which is familiar, whether it's Andor, whether it's you know the original trilogy, um, whether it's any of the other movies that you may not have remembered um over the past few years because people focus on the last three movies that came out. Um, but yeah, absolutely yay for me.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I agree. I think the only downside I I disliked, or no, it's not my issue is that since it's a prequel, not so much a prequel, it's it's laid in-between series, we know what happens eventually to Darth Moore. So the um the excitement and suspense is to me is minimized because I know Darthmore is gonna survive this interaction. Yeah, how he's gonna survive the interaction, I guess, is a suspenseful part, but I know eventually we're gonna see him. No, spoiler alert, no, we see him die at the hands of Obi-Wan again in uh Star Wars Rebels. So it's like it's like I know it's gonna happen because it's again, like uh uh Karima said, this is this takes place before uh well after Clone Wars, but before a new hope and is no, well, actually it's Clone Wars, Shadow Lord, um Rebels. That's how that's where this lies in. Yeah, because the Shadow Well, Shadow Lord, this series, um so far season one ties into uh uh Rebels. Because in Rebels, the series finale for Rebels is when he's on Tatooine speaking out Obi-Wan Kenobi and they meet in the desert, Obi-Wan Kenobi kills him. So we know that's where he is, and Obi-Wan and Kenobi is still alive. He's a little bit older, but not as old as Alec Guinness was in The New Hope. But we know uh after Star Wars Rebels comes, I think it's Rogue One, New Hope, and then those movies like that. Like the Obi-Wan series is still, I think it might be taking place now, like in between like it's so many things. Like you can probably make a one of those conspiracy theory red line things of where all the series how they tie into one another. Um, but I digress. But anyway, the series is great, every episode gets better than the next in regards to action, um, uh character development. You know, you start off right into the thick of things. No, Darthmall is on the I forgot the name of the planet, but Darth Maul and his crew is on the planet, they're looking to take out the uh the Red Dawn. But those who've played the recent Jedi uh Star Wars game, and smuggles uh the smuggler game when you play as the smuggler. You know, you're familiar with the the underworld of the uh the galactic empire, of the red dawn and all these other gangs and and uh uh mafia, space mafias, uh if you will. Um so he's pretty much trying, yeah, he's pretty much seeking revenge on taking them all out and um uh becoming the focal point of power in the underworld, uh the Shadow Lord, if you will. Um, he runs into uh a Jedi and his pat and her his Padawan and he sees her and I guess can sense her um unease with the light side and he wants to he no he wants to basically take her into his under his wing and and train her. Uh he sees that you know he can you know build and mold her, but um she's not sure what she wants to do, and and all of that stuff now that Darth Moore's been found out, the Empire finds out that he's on this planet, now the Empire shows up to take him down, and Empire brings in two Inquisitors, not one, but two Inquisitors show up to take him out. So now it's two Inquisitors versus the Jedi and his Padawan. So you gotta know of uh uh and and Darth Moore. So now you got a three-on-two fight, and but you know, with Darth Moore and his Arab uh uh martial arts skills, Darth Moore with the the the uh dual-wheeled lightsaber, and he breaks into two at different times and they're false wheeled them. No, the the martial arts is probably on par with what you've seen in the Cone Wars with Anakin and Ahsoka and stuff. Um, and it ramps up like every episode, and there's 20 20, 25-minute episodes, but it ramps up. So they get away, the inquisitors still looking for them. Um and then I think the last I think it's nine episodes, I believe 10 episodes, episodes again, eight, nine, and ten, it just escalates. Like, uh, I mean, the Kareem said, like, you I think the end of episode nine is like you literally on the edge of the seat, like, oh, what did I just see? Like, I mean, I give all the credit to uh Nathan uh Falone for you know putting this out there. This is one of the better uh animated uh Star Wars series. I'll let Kareem go on to episode nine and ten. Go ahead, Kareem.
SPEAKER_01Um so again, we we know who kills who, who doesn't kill who. So even with that known, um obviously the Inquisitors couldn't take down everybody. They couldn't take down the two Jedi, they couldn't take down Dolph Moore. Maybe they would have stood a chance. Um, if it was two on two, two on one, whatever the case might have been. Um, and they call in help. Um, they report to someone who you have your suspicions who they may be reporting to. But again, the show is holding its own, so it's not as if someone else needs to make an appearance to make the show worth watching. Um that's what's so good about this show, where it didn't need a gimmick um to take it to that level. Uh, but it did escalate to where it uh become a memorable series with the end of episode nine. Um, you know, you believe that Darth Maw and the Jedi's they get in the way at least a little bit. There's a few of his peoples left. Um he really wasn't looking out for his people at that point. But you know, when they try to escape through the forest and they get knocked off, you know somebody's out there. Um and you're hoping and you're hoping and realize you're hoping for a villain to show up. You're supposed to be rooted for the game. When you see the all you have to do is just hear the sound. Like, how how iconic is someone where all you have to do is hear a sound and it just raises your adrenaline. Like, how is that possible? Like, think about that for a moment, before you even see a character, you hear the sound, you hear the breathing, which is basically a condition. It's like hearing somebody limping in a room and you get excited. It's like that sounds a condition, and you get excited like you know who it is, and then they show him it's just a true. Yo, are you like I stood up? I'm not gonna lie, I probably overreacted. A little, but overreacted, I admit it, but it was just too high because you know, like they're not getting away. I mean, okay, yes, they were gonna get away. We knew somebody was getting away. Well, again, that's the thing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's the downside of knowing what happens to Darth Wheels that you know he's gonna get away.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and you know they're not gonna win. That's the thing, like you know it is a losing battle for them from that point on. Sorry. Somebody's somebody's not making it out alive. Um, and and that's what starts to happen. But the the action sequences at that point, the you know, the choreography for the animation is just was just amazing. Um, we've seen so many lightsaber battles. We've been watching them for decades. And for this to feel fresh, for this to feel unique, um, everybody has their own style. You see the styles countering, you know, this one's using the force, this one has the dual golden lightsabers. It was just like a beautiful thing, a beautiful thing to watch. Um, yes, Dolph Moore was being portrayed somewhat as you know, having a righteous cause, um, maybe a little bit of a a hero in certain contexts because he kept saving the Jedi. Um, but then you're reminded about who he is when he does that little nudge. Um, when you see when he sees it's a losing battle. And then he just kind of nudges the the master in the direction where Vader. I was like, yeah, let me just push you in that direction. It's like two you're being chased by a dog and you have somebody you trip them so you can get away. It's like, oh, that's dirty, but it's like is it though? Yeah, well, it's like you kind of understand it. Like, yeah, I want to fight a dog vada either. I'm gonna be honest. Um, but would you really knock somebody over? But you get the logic behind the move. More like the slowest person.
SPEAKER_02If I if that it's a it's it's a zombie, it's zombie rules. The slowest person gets got like yo, you give me a little bit more time.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but um, you know, I think with uh also what uh I mentioned with uh regards to the the lightsaber duels and stuff, I would love to know if this was all drawn out, or was this like motion capture? Like, did they have actors do these moves and then they you know uh uh rendered it into the CGI animated uh uh show, or did they just actually just draw it out that way? Because I mean it was a lot of you know a lot of sweet moves and a lot of parries and and poses with you know when they had when those inquisitors versus um uh the Padawan, the Jedi, and Darth Maul. Um but also with what this show is uh with the lightsaber battles that we get to see Darth May Darth Vader again in his prime. No, he we've seen him in his prime at the end of Rogue One, we've seen him in his prime when he's fighting uh Ahsoka, and I think this was Clone Wars or Rebels. Uh, but now you see him again in this one where he's using his force as well as wielding his lightsaber. Like they try to bring down you know the ceiling in that cave on him, and he's force pushing the sailing away while still whacking away at the at the rocks. Um, and also that you didn't he he never talked, so you didn't hear the iconic James Well Jones-esque voice. I mean, granted, uh James Well Jones had passed away, but you didn't have anyone um uh trying to replicate his voice. Um most times it was actually all the time he was fighting, you just either heard him breathing or not at all. So it was like a Michael Myers Jason kind of thing where they're running through the cave thinking he's done, and then a few points he just pops right out in front of them or from the side, and they're like, Oh, they start fighting again, and then they you know, force run and jump away, and then they think they got away from him and he's back at it. Like, literally, like Jace, like, don't turn around, just keep running to your ship. I keep turning around and catching your breath and looking, and he just pops up, you know, force pushing and grabbing. And um, it was uh at one point uh him and Darth Moore fighting solo, and I'm thinking Darth Moore could really take him out. If one, Darth Moore was healthy, because I think he had gotten injured in the previous episode with his cybernetic legs, and two, um, they got no. I think Anakin, we know Anakin Darth Vader is much stronger than the force. Like, I think if he wasn't using his force in just straight battle with like sabers, I think uh Darth Moore could have no came toe-to-toe with him. Uh, I mean, that's up for debate. I mean, people online probably is gonna say no, Darth Moore is not as great as uh a swordsman or so, you know, saber master as uh um Vader.
SPEAKER_03But I mean, when you can do will be really though, yeah.
SPEAKER_00But see, the thing is if you see it, Darth Vader was like he had it, his he was using it almost like a baseball battle club because he was just whacking people, like I guess it was also the shared power of maybe his his uh being on the dark side, or maybe the cybernetics of him in that suit was much stronger because he was just hitting people and this is like they were just blocking, but getting lower, lower, lower, similar to Return of the Jedi, when Luke Skywalker is attacking uh uh Darth Vader in the in the Emperor's uh room, and he just keeps whacking down, and then he just keeps he succumbs to it. Like that's pretty much what's happening to all of them when they were all three of them when they were fighting uh Darth uh Vader, because at the last episode, it's a three-on-one, and Darth Vader's holding his own without a problem. I think they got one hit on him. I think they they I think they sliced him on the arm, and he was just like, okay. I don't even really have an arm here. That's this is I can't feel that. But um it's good. Uh and the way it ends, it can definitely be if they choose to, there can be a second season. Obviously, they they get away, but um the Padawan degrees to be trained by Darth Moore. She wants revenge for the death of her her master. So you know he's welcoming her, not so much to the dark side, but to the revenge side, like you can use your powers for for vengeance. Um, and I wouldn't I hope they do is have a second season because it was definitely really good. And plus, he wants to still be a shadow lord. So let's they can dive into that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and I think it's uh an excellent dynamic with with Devin now. Um because there is a a witness uh to what occurred. Uh, but how far would that go? How far can that go? I mean, there really are there really is nobody else out there um that can corroborate that Darthmore set up a master to be done to be killed by Darth Vader. Um he probably would have ended up having to sacrifice himself anyway so they could get away, but you know, he didn't get that choice. Um and so I do think that that's a dynamic that's worth this one because if she realizes that the one who's training her is responsible for the anger and pain that she has, where is that going to lead her? Doesn't mean she'll go back to being a Jedi, but I think there are stories that can be um further developed uh within this own universe, um, as opposed to the greater movement of the Star Wars story.
SPEAKER_00Um yeah, I mean she may end up just like Ahsoka, just she'll take the great path and just know I'm not neither dark nor light. I'm just gonna choose to uh walk my own path. Okay, but yeah, so I I give it um no 10 out of 10. Like it was it was really good series. It I didn't think it was going to not that it wasn't gonna be great, but I didn't think it was gonna have the excitement level of the action that it did. I thought it was just gonna show just him. I didn't know it was gonna involve another Jedi, two Jedi's, as well as no Darth Vader. That was never even on my radar for him to show up out of that out of the mist, it's like, oh yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but yeah, it wasn't any trailer, which is what we need. We need genuine surprises um in shows and movies again, because that's like a reward in and of itself.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because like if you even if you didn't see the trailers, you just heard about Darth Mo's Shadow Lord, you don't know that you know he's not no, there's no mention whatsoever of Vader until he just shows up. Wasn't like, oh, we need to call in no Lord Vader, or you just sort of it's just sort of two inquisitors, yeah. And you just know one inquisitor reported to the other, and that was it. Okay, okay, you know, that's it. Didn't know anyone else's no, didn't even know that they called in the big guns.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, then it makes you remember why the Jedi went practically extinct because as soon as they find out, they call in Darth Vader, and it's like yeah, you get it, you understand the the lawyer even more. Like, wow, this is why.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and you're not gonna be as fortunate. Yeah, yeah. But also, like Darth Mall says, like, you he and he knows your moves. He didn't know who it was, but he just said he's trained to know how Jedi's fight, yeah. So all the moves that you guys are doing, he knows what's coming. You have to stop thinking you can't you have to stop fighting that way. And then the Jedi master was like, No, we you can't give in. And Dark Mo's like, listen, I know I can anticipate your moves. You gotta stop fighting this way. No, you gotta change it up. Yeah, and stop being that's how she needs to get trained. Yeah, but definitely if you haven't well, if you stuck around by this long in the podcast, you would you I'm sure you agree with what we're saying. If not, we'd love to hear yeah, yeah. We'd love to love to know what you thought of uh Darth Maul Shadow Lord. Uh, if you're opposed to our our review of it. Now, I'd be interested to see someone who says they didn't like it. I'd really like to see that. But uh the second D of this episode is Daredevil. No, Daredevil, uh no, the the demon or devil of Hell's Kitchen, uh season two on Disney Plus. Also, I enjoyed it. I I mean, honestly, uh Vince D'Nafio is as as amazing as Kingpin. Um Matt Murdoch. I was never really a big fan of Daredevil, but watching the show gave me a greater appreciation for the cat for the comic book character uh and and and his lore. Um yeah, I can't I I don't see any other than wanting to see more of the Hell's Kitchen characters, I don't really have a problem with uh this latest season of um Daredevil.
SPEAKER_01Um so I I I I love the the series. Um I I can't wait to see next season. I I think this is, and again, I know this is pretty old school where you hope shows continue season after season. Where's shock when the season isn't when the show isn't renewed for a new season? So I'm operating with that mentality. I know that that may be a little bit more hope than anything. Um so I am saying that I'm excited to see where they where they go next season. Um I think they ended this season in a very interesting place, uh, where it could either just continue in another TV series or it could have an impact in terms of future movies, um, especially when we see certain characters end up. Um, you know, spoiler alert, like Bullseye, uh, you know, you know, in the comic books, he became part of the Thunderbolts, you know, you know, Dark Hawkeye. So there's a lot of ways that they can go um in terms of using these characters because he is now working for the government um to some extent. Um Kingpin, we know no matter where you put him, um he's gonna always be Kingpin. You can take Kingpin out of New York, you can take Fisk out of New York, but you can't take the Kingpin out of Fisk. Um so you know that can't be the end of him. Um Matt Murdoch, uh, I'm curious to see what his storyline is going to occur next. Because at the end of the day, you're going to need him. Um, not just as Daredevil, but as a damn good lawyer. And so I do have to say I'm glad that this show returned to the courtroom with him because those scenes can be as intense as action sequences. Everybody may not like the you know the lawyer scenes, but those scenes were pretty intense to me. So I'm glad they did have that courtroom drama. And you reminded that, yeah, he's a damn good lawyer. Um and Muse, who I'm assuming will be new Muse. Um, I'm curious as to what they're going to do with her storyline. But I did like the overall character development. I think Karen grew up a lot. Um, she seemed to stand for something this this season where it wasn't an obstacle to the heroes trying to win as opposed to the wheel. Um, I did like her interactions with Matt, you know, including saying that the difference between the two of them is that she grew up in terms of like, well, you you're not gonna kill him. You're not gonna kill anybody. You're gonna beat him up and then what? He's gonna go. I mean, that's that Asian question. Um, you know, you Don't you don't stop the villain, everybody else gets hurt, but you still have your moral code intact. Like, is that really saving the day? Um, and I do like how they put that dynamic out there. Um, maybe it's just me enjoying the show so much that I want a little bit more at the end. Um, I think the way the kingpin was set up um to be in the role that he was in, um the the governor, other dynamics, uh it just seemed like the ending was rushed a little. Um, I do get the kingpin is crazy. I mean, he really is crazy. He's that that whole facade of you know a businessman and the man, obviously, we know that's a facade. Um, but it's just like the downfall was very quick. Um handle, and part of that was because he just badged out. He just crashed out. I mean, he's just breaking backs, he's breaking necks, which I think would have happened eventually.
SPEAKER_00Um, but I think because his wife died. I think that's something with the crash out was because no, he's still grieving over his own.
SPEAKER_01I think that's legit. I think a lot of that could have happened, but I think you know the finesse of the power that he had, um, it just suddenly um collapsed. And obviously the system that was in place didn't disappear completely. Um but it is just for the finale itself, um it's like there there wasn't that much resistance for the heroes at that point.
SPEAKER_00Um, I agree that the the final the final episode felt a bit rushed, but I uh but I know I also agree that the courtroom scenes to me also heightens Daredevil Matt Murdoch's uh uh on-screen personality because you know he's more than just a guy in a suit who's got no uh these these powers that he can he uses for good as a vigilante, but by day he's uh he's a really good lawyer. Yeah, you know, he's not someone who's just um I'm like Peter Parker, where it's like this is my my real focus is no, you know, Spider-Man, I'm saving a day, you know, neighborhood being a neighborhood uh uh web slinger. This guy by day, he's you know trying cases. Um, you know, and I think to me, which was impressive is that the word the legal jargon or whatever, I'm not you know well versed in it, but how he was able to paint Kingpin into a corner, yeah, and Kingpin didn't anticipate him outing himself as their devil, even though people, oh, you know, how's a blind man gonna be Daredevil? And then he he throws his cane off the wall. Yeah, that was like, oh shit, yeah, yeah. Like, oh this guy, yeah, he he means what it is. But I felt like once that part had you know, the the the the engine for this episode went full throttle, like everything just escalated so quickly from there that a few parts felt like it was rushed, like you said, though the people of the neighborhood and the city converged on the courthouse and they they're running in and they'll over you know getting past all the uh um anti-villain task force people, which I didn't understand. Like, how did those people uh I don't know, I just I just felt like those certain scenes they just pushed through. Like the cops were supposed to be going in to I guess apprehend Kingpin, but yet the the everyone dressed as their devil supporters bum rushed past you guys to try to get Kingpin and no Kingpin kicked their butt. Uh but I did like certain scenes where they actually show White Tiger, show some of her abilities. She was helping out inside of the melees and stuff. Um, but uh I wish there would have been some more of the Heroes for Hire in the thing. I mean, Jessica Jones was there, she definitely showed her own, but I guess I was kind of hoping to see more of Luke Cage as opposed to that like the last 90 seconds of the episode, him walking into her office, you know, hugging her, hugging their child and you know, letting them know that he's no longer working for the government. Like kind of hoping to see more Luke Cage again, because we see stuff on social media, and we I presumed he was going to show up for more than that. Because had I not known that he took a picture with the the cast, I would have never known that he was going to be in the show at all until those like you know the last few seconds. Like, oh okay, but again, unfortunately, part of social media and the teasers and the trailers give away so much that you're waiting for more, expecting more. And when it doesn't hit, it kind of diminishes what they've already given to you. Yeah, like oh well, I was hoping for this because I saw this. Um, but I I enjoyed the series. I think now that he's in uh Daredevil's in prison, I think this leads into Spider-Man Brand New Day. Because if you can recall the trailer for Brand New Day, Spider-Man is in a prison um when he's fighting the hand, like the hand comes and kind of strikes at strikes down on him with a uh sword and he blocks it with his web. Like, is that a prison that Daredevil's in that he's maybe trying to break Daredevil out of prison? I think we don't know, but I mean that's just my assumption. That's how, because we know Spider-Man and Daredevil are in the same world because Matt Murdoch showed up in Spider-Man, we showed up in uh uh She-Hulk, so we know he exists in those worlds in that in the MCU world, um, inside that universe, anyway. Um, it's not like you know, Fantastic Four, where it's a whole nother earth, a whole nother timeline. So maybe, but again, we have no online confirmation that that's true, but certain things are kind of placing themselves that it may happen. Maybe Daredevil show up inside of uh Spider-Man Brand New Day. He's not credited, the actor uh is not credited inside IMDB, but we've seen that before where they don't show up and then uh on IMDB, but they are in the movie itself, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And I admit I I want to know the answer to that question, but I do not want to know the answer to that question until the movie comes out. Exactly. Yeah, I rather need to know to want to go see the movie. I'm already going to go see it. So don't I hope Marvel doesn't put anything out to spoil the movie.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, I I want to go in like a brand new baby. I don't want to know anything. But I I do hope that they have like a Jessica Jones series or Jessica Jones and Luke Case series. Um I really do enjoy them as characters. Um more so I would say in the comic books than than what it's been on screen, only because in the comic books they're far ahead of where they are in the in the TV shows. Um and I like how this ended because it's just finally introducing that dynamic of the two of them, their daughter, uh, because they have some great stories. Um, and I just hope that they're able to start exploring those stories a little bit more.
SPEAKER_00Um, yeah, I would I would like to see, even if it was a uh earlier in the timeline when she doesn't have the kid, like this is them together, because she's the kid isn't a newborn. The kid looks like it uh she's at least seven.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like seven, eight, maybe six, seven. She's gotta be in school.
SPEAKER_03Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_00I mean, maybe eight. Yeah, I wouldn't I don't I wouldn't think she's over ten years old, but there's some time between the Luke Cage and Jessica Jones series and now maybe they can show us them working together. Maybe it's like a moonlighting version of MCU with it. Those he's helping her on cases or something. He's a muscle in her case. Well, actually, no, they're both muscle, but uh, I mean, we can get a mini-series of these two to working together on a case or cases um going forward or going backwards. Um yeah, it would be it would be nice to see if that's something that's uh available.
SPEAKER_01So even if it's not a team up, because it doesn't have to necessarily be that, it's just the good dynamic because it keeps them grounded. Um even in the latest, earliest comic book series. Um now obviously that deals with Luke Cage being mayor and her license. Um they do play a role in each other's stories, even if it is their story leading to an investigation, trying to find a serial killer, things of that nature. It just makes the characters more dynamic, in my opinion. Um, because again, you can have some great Jessica Jones story, yeah, some great Luke Cage story. Um and I I do hope that those characters are explored more on.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and even if you don't do it based upon a comic book story arc for Jessica Jones, you can write, you can have uh make it a like you said, a murder mystery kind of thing where you know you got five, six episodes or eight episodes nowadays, that's the limit of a mystery, uh who done it, you know, but just happens to have a superhero as a uh a detective. I'm for it. Uh you know, we watched Wonder Man for several episodes where it's um a man a man with superpowers, but he's just trying to get a land a movie role. It's really about just a struggling actor just trying to get famous in Hollywood, but he just happens to have superpowers that he knows. I'm I'm for it. If the writing is good, it'll people will like it. I think it's when you know, uh maybe our expectations may be high, but uh good writing usually can meet people's expectations. They have good cast, they have good people they cast in the roads already. So yeah, yeah, yeah, agreed. Yeah, I mean they've Marvel's done well with their casting. Um I have no problem with who they cast as MCU, except for Iron Fist. And I think, and I thought and the guy who played Iron Fist is a decent actor. I think his default is either I'm not sure behind the scenes if he didn't do the um stunt choreography as far as any training, it just his fight scenes were just not believable as a person who studied martial arts. That to me was like I'm not sure if he had a stunt, uh, a stunt man or whatever, whatever that had. That part to me was the big problem of season one of Iron Fist. Iron Fist two, you focus more on Colleen, probably because you realize that Iron Fist season one is the martial arts was bad. So let me focus on someone who knows or believable. I don't know if the actress knows martial arts in real in the real world, but definitely made it. She seemed more believable than the actor who played Iron Fist. I see your expressions.
SPEAKER_02Can't even put that out.
SPEAKER_00I mean no one's gonna come in like uh like Michael Giant White or Wesley Snant's or no one of these moves or off the road before you gotta recruit for something like that, which I think they should have done.
SPEAKER_02And yeah, like that was probably the mistake. Like if you if you if you're noticing that he's struggling to make things look fluid, uh then maybe just use a stunt man and then you know cut to his face, which is fine.
SPEAKER_00We're not doing that, but then it's gonna look like a uh no Saturday morning uh uh cartoon kind of stuff where uh like on a Xeno level, like you can tell this is a stunt person.
SPEAKER_02Every other show for the most part, most of the shows are there's a stunt person doing uh the bulk of the work, like you can't there are ways to do it, yeah.
SPEAKER_00But most of those guys have a full mask. I mean, Iron Fist didn't have one the mass like you have in a cartoon, like you can get away with it with Matt Murdoch, you can get away with it with Daredevil because he he had a full amass. I mean, other than like this much of his face is is not covered, but like something for uh Mandalorian, like you have a stunt guide, then you have uh Pedro Pascal you know the face of it. Like, unfortunately, that it didn't work for them. But I think if they had recruited someone who knows martial arts and can play Daredevil Iron Fist, uh it probably would have worked, but we'll see what season, whatever if the Heroes of Hell Kitchen or Harrels for Hire, if they're gonna do a uh uh a second season of that. Maybe they will. Maybe they'll they'll figure out some way to incorporate a better uh uh fight scenes for it. Or or right, like just make make it make it look like a dance, like the same way like they tried that, and it looked weird, it looked like uh West Side's story. When he was fighting inside of um uh I think it was the what the episode in Heroes for Hire, or Luke, I think it was Luke Cage or whatever, and they're all fighting. He came in and he was fighting that warehouse with Luke Cage, and it looked like it was West Side's story, like he's him sliding in.
SPEAKER_03He's like, Who is this?
SPEAKER_00Okay, I'm telling you people the benefit of the doubt because like uh certain shows that don't go back and forth.
SPEAKER_01No, they know you guys know what goes on behind the scenes. Um, but one thing I think of is is the matrix, right? Keanu Reed. Um, you know, he went from like Bill and Ted's great adventures to someone who was at least believable when it came to the martial arts and the matrix, where you were like, wait, what is he doing? Is this is this the Keanu Ree character? Is this him doing this? Um and if you look back at it now, you can tell that obviously he improved in the next shows. Um, but I remember watching some um commentary from the people who you know was training him. And it was like he they didn't feel that he was there to the point where they needed someone or that main character to be there when it came to being the one um in terms of his martial arts. And so they kept working with him. The guy expressed styles, and they kept working with him, and then he he he stepped up and he learned enough where it did become believable. Um, but that takes part of that dedication and the willingness to develop with the training. So again, I'm not commenting on what goes on behind the scenes, um, but it is tough to watch from from the beginning. There's no improvement in the action sequences, it even looks worse over time. Um, and not they may not have wanted to put a mask on him because it may look similar to Daredevil's Black Mask, but I has had mask. Um so even the fact that they didn't do that, it's just was there at that same commitment level, yeah, to playing the character and not just being the face of the character.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Try to give people the benefit of the doubt, which is weird. They had their time.
SPEAKER_00Well, let's see, let's see, it's been some years. It's been more than five years. So let's see what happens when we see that. Yeah, and the only reason we we're bringing them up is again where we'll we'll segue into is because uh Michael Coulter, the actor who plays Blue Cage, had posted a picture of him with Jessica Jones, the uh uh Daredevil, as well as Iron Fist, they're gonna prison. No, so again, we know they'll show up at some point. Yeah, at some point, you know, we're gonna see them, possibly see them all together. Um, we know, and that's leads us into our next discussion about movie trailers, teasers, social media. Does that ruin uh or enhance the viewing experience? Um, I'm gonna say no, only because it nowadays uh they give away too much. They sell they're going well beyond the point of selling a movie uh or selling a show to the viewer, to the point of their spoil it.
SPEAKER_02You gotta spoil stuff to get people to want to come see it and to pay to see it and kind of I feel like the trailers are sort of destroying it for me. Um I don't want to know, like for a horror movie, I don't want to know everything that's gonna happen for an action movie. I don't want to know everything that's gonna happen for a love story. I don't really care because I'm not gonna watch it. But like certain things I don't like, I want to be surprised. If it's going to if it's supposed to be a thriller or a suspense thing, do not give me everything in the freaking trailer because I'm not gonna want to go see it. Like, look at um gosh, I'm sure they're like the last time I no, a lot of movie trailers lately, especially lately, give you way too much stuff, and you're just like like I had an idea that maybe I want to go see this, and then by the time the third trailer comes, when I'm like, Yeah, I'm good. I don't want to see this anymore. Like, I've you've given me way too much stuff, way too much information that I'm like, I can piece together your entire thing through your trailers. If it's maybe a thing where you just give us two trailers and then you stop, you don't have to keep giving people everything, like you don't have to spoon feed us into coming into the theater, like if it it how it cheapens the experience and it cheapens the fact that, like, yo, I no longer want to go, like, I'll wait, it'll come on TV. I mean, it won't come on TV, you know what I mean. It'll come on streaming, um, but it's it just for me, like when we do this, when and it's not even like recently, like, because they've been doing this for like the past decade, where like more and more worse, it's gotten worse. You're just like, Oh, well, we if we don't give them everything, they're not gonna come see it. Like, I don't want to come see it because you've given me so much. I don't want to know all that is going to happen in before I come out, and then it makes it worse because then, like, the trailers sometimes we get trailers like six months out, and I'm like, Oh, I don't care by the time it comes, you've given me too much. I just don't, but yeah, that that's me. Like, for the trailers are destroying the experience for me because you get because people have forgotten the idea of a trailer, is just to be a teaser, not the whole story. Give me an appetizer, I don't want the meal before I go in. Yeah, but that's me.
SPEAKER_01Um it's like you watch a the TV show um where they release all the episodes, and then you you finish an episode, and then they immediately start showing you here's what's next. And they they're showing key scenes in the episode that is already available. You're like, wait, wait, wait, let me just watch the episode. I don't need to see what's next when it's already available. And it's like, you know, maybe they they look at the data and they say we have to keep people, you know, we don't lose the audience, but they want to keep watching, so we have to give them something in the trailer. Um, but some of that I think wouldn't be necessary if we give people an engrossing story, if we give them a story they want to finish, if we give them a story they want to be part of, you don't need to have somewhat of these gimmicks. And I remember there was a time a long time ago where if a movie showed too much in the trailer, you would think it's not a good movie because you're trying to get people to come to the movie. It's like, oh yeah, the last, oh, this must be a really good movie. They didn't show anything. I don't even know who's in it. It must be really good. Um, you know, but but it I think it's the way they believe people consume, you know, media nowadays. Um but for me it's it's problematic because it takes away moments. Like, you know, we just spoke about Darthmall. Maybe after the after episode eight, they showed like a sequence where maybe it hinted at Darth Vader. I admit I was completely surprised. I didn't even check. I don't like checking pages for shows that I watched because I know there's always a spoiler somewhere. Um, but I love that genuine surprise. Um, and it's like, wow, I have to watch the next episode. And I think with some of these trailers, um, when you're watching the movie itself and it's getting to you're enjoying it, you're having a good time, and it's a big scene is coming up, I lose some of that excitement because I'm like, this did not happen yet. It was in the trailer and it didn't happen in the movie yet. And it looks like they're in the same area that they showed in the trailer. I already know what's going to happen. So we're like, you're like, oh yeah, that's cool, but I've seen it 10 times already. And it's like it takes away from those big moments. Um, so I do think some trailers, um, even if people are borderline, they try to sell it, like P-Man. Um, but then at what point is it too much? Where you're like, I've seen the battles, I've seen the powers, I've seen the storylines, I've seen the jokes, I've seen the characters. Do I need to see the movie right now? And I think that it's become a lost art.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I agree. I think you and uh Kay said that the art of being a teaser of the trailer to just to get people's appetite wet to want to see it in the movies or no tune in next week, it's kind of lost because uh they have trailers A, trailer B, trailer B, trailer C, D, E, and F, like always different versions of the trailers, and each one has a little bit more of the movie in it. So you oh you have you seen a new trailer? And it's got the same intro, but then it's got new footage. And it's like I already know what the the the not so much a plot twist, but I'm seeing extra stuff that now I can either start putting two or two together, but it's no longer a surprise for me when I go into the theater to see this scene. Um, I mean, you may get that with uh uh some of these horror and suspense movies, like in uh Know What You Did Last Summer's, you know, uh remixes and stuff, like it starts showing you all these people getting killed. Like I when a movie comes out, I already I can already check you off the boxes. I see it in the trailer, you crawling on the oh no, bleeding out from so and so behind you with the hook. Unless something happens, I guess I have to see it, for them to not for you not to die. But I'm already on assumption that you already, you already, you're gone. You're not gonna make it to the end of the credits. Um, even like uh uh that's definitely with Marvel movies, like as Marvel movies uh progress down the MCU timeline, they got. More uh detailed with their trailers, more multiple trailers, multiple releases of information about those trailers. So it really wasn't so it wasn't too much of a surprise. Um, I like how they kind of went back to those multiple teasers for the Avengers Doomsday, like those Avengers Doomsday trails were no, they didn't show really much action, but just hit a little snippet. That's fine. I mean, you already saw we already, I mean, for the you know uh initiated individuals like ourselves who've seen Marvel movies already, we don't need any backstory at who these characters are, why they're seeing each other. So I was already like, oh, doomsday? Oh, oh I see the shield, Cap is back, okay. He got me sold, or you know, Thor's talking about his daughter, okay. I'm sold, or you see Shuri, and then you see uh um uh Fantastic Four Ben Grimm talking. How do they meet? I'm already sold. Let me go see. I don't need to see any more footage, I don't need to know why they're in the desert. No, I don't think only thing that's gonna guess get people's appetite more uh uh drooling over would be to actually see Dr. Doom himself, no Robert Downey Jr. in costume actually doing something. That I mean, but then again to me, that's like you giving away a big because I'm still under just fathoming Dr. Dr. Doom as uh Tony Well, Tony Stark or or Robert Downey Jr. as Dr. Doom. I'm still trying to wrap my head around that. Like, what kind of press? Is he gonna be dark? Is he gonna be kind of just a smart ass like he was as Tony Stark, but just he's Victor Von Doom? Like how and not he's a talented actor. I just want to see how it's going to materialize in the Marvel uh cinematic universe. But I think they would do more with less, especially with these big franchises that are already established. I could understand if it's a um uh a new IP or a movie that you're not really sure people are gonna go see, like Kim said, like you gotta kind of sell it um to try to get people to convince them. See, like the um, I think the movie's called uh They Will Kill You, Zazzy Beats recent movie where you know she's in I'm not sure she's in a hotel or a house building where they're gonna try to sacrifice her for Satan or something. Awesome concept. She woman she's you know trying to kill as many people as possible to get out of this building, but you see her, it's too much of the trailers released showing her taking out a lot of people. So it already gives me an inclination. She's gonna survive, she's gonna kick, but you didn't have to show everything, you know.
SPEAKER_02Also, though, when you see certain actors in certain roles, you're like, you're not killing them all.
SPEAKER_00Like you don't, I mean, you're not gonna kill them, you're not gonna kill all I presume you're not gonna kill her, but it's just like you've seen her as too many sequences of events in the trailer in the teases of her kicking butt. You didn't need to do that. You just sold it in no quick one one, two. She's no, I'm gonna stop them or whatever. I haven't seen the movie, but the trailers I've seen, I've seen her, you know, I think uh I forgot the actor's name who played um Draco Malfoy. He's in it, and he's kicking, she kicks his butt, and I think he's missing his eye or something. Like it's just again, stuff I would have would not have known had I not seen the movie, but it's like you gave it away in the trailer that I'm presuming sooner or later she's gonna kill him. You're gonna give the suspense that he maybe he is the ultimate bad guy. Maybe he's not in actuality, he may not be, he's just a henchman. But if your editor was any better, he could have shown it a teased clip where he's I'm coming for you, and drop the face off. That's it. You don't have to actually show them fighting, but just the face off to give people what the appetite. Oh, what's gonna happen? You know, is he gonna kick her butt? Is that gonna happen early on? Is she gonna get vengeance afterwards? Or does he have to kill enough people to face Draco Malfoy's character and then fight? But uh, I mean, that's that's to me, is what I think you know, social media and people wanting to know ahead of time is definitely killing the viewing because I may not want to go see it, I may not want to pay $40 because I've already seen $20 worth online of these trailers. I can assume the rest of streaming. But I think and in addition to trail destroying movies, I think an one way that movie theaters are counterreacting that is by having these uh elaborate uh collectibles. You have the uh popcorn buckets, you got the candy holders, you got the drink containers. Um, you know, these things have been going back probably for years, but they've gotten more complex, more expensive, uh, more limited in addition um nowadays, like the uh Galactus popcorn head bucket from Fantastic Four. I myself wanted one. I was like, I think it was like $80 or something. When I went to the theater, the guy said they sold them, they only had like 12 of them. All of all the the the theater in Times Square only had 12 and they sold out like on a Thursday night uh when it first released, they they they were already gone. Like, how do you only have 12 of these? Yeah, uh, I mean, I bought the end of buying the Herbie popcorn bucket slash robot for I think it was like 70 something dollars or so. They put haven't put food in it whatsoever. I don't plan to, but it's no, I I saw it and I wanted. Yeah, I that's yeah, it's there, it's on the sitting on the bookshelf. It's I just wanted it. Um I got the predator helmet uh from the predator bad lands one. I I bought that because I saw it, I wanted it. Like it I think that I mean to me that's the the catch now.
SPEAKER_02Like what you're doing with your adult money.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I got I'm a kid with adult money. This is what uh yeah. Am I going for the movie or am I going for the collectibles? Is a good question. Am I uh Kareem? Are you gonna see here He-Man for the movie or are you going for the collectibles? You getting that Castle Gray skull?
SPEAKER_01Uh uh I I that was one toy I wanted growing up. We can never afford that. You're sitting there looking at, I don't know which catalog it was, or circular, but you know, we all got the papers. We're gonna you're just sitting there looking at the picture. So if I can buy that popcorn popcorn bucket, I think I just might buy it. But I think that can enhance the movie going experience. Um, if it's a movie that you're going to enjoy, even when it comes out. Like, you know, the Lord of the Rings for me. Like, yeah, I watch Lord of the Rings regularly. I probably need help. Um, if I get a popcorn bucket that has any resemblance to Lord of the Rings, every time I watch it, I can use that. Or, you know, Yoshi for a Super Mario Galaxy 2 movie. I know my son is gonna watch that, and I'll be there watching with him a lot of times. He can have the Yoshi popcorn bucket, it just adds to that experience. Um, but you're right, I think the the limited availability is annoying at times because it's like yeah, you have to get it immediately, or you have to go, or you have to go online for eBay, and it's like everything does not need to be a collector's item. You know, sometimes things can just be fun, like you know.
SPEAKER_02I mean, yeah, but that being said, um that being said, I still kind of want the one. Um the new one of the new things that I that I kind of like is again, I'm not gonna go see he-man, but the he-Man, the the sword that's actually for drinking. It's kind of nice. I would never use it, but I'm just like money, that would be right. That would be the thing I would get, and like that's and the only other one in recent years that I've actually really wanted and contemplating getting until I saw the price was for the Dracula movie that came out like a few years ago that didn't necessarily do well. That was like the only other one that I like. I was like, okay, this I want, and then I finally saw it, and I was like, Oh, it's really pretty, but I am not paying that price for it. Like, because again, it's like aftermarket. I'm like, Yeah, yo, y'all can kick rocks on that.
SPEAKER_00I just yeah, aftermarket obviously is gonna be so expensive, but a lot of these things are so large that one is like this is I can see if it's something you purchased at a convention, but to use it at the theater at the time or to know, like we we saw the the last Jurassic Park movie was uh scholar Johansson, like they had one that's uh popcorn bucket, air quotes on bucket was um a T-Rex footprint, so it's this wide dish that had to be at least 20 inches across. Like this thing, like it would sit on your lap, but it's so flat, it's not and they sprinkle with the popcorn in the footprint of the T-Rex, but it's like a big dish now. So it's like you gotta hold it certainly so that way you can know it. Sitting in the theater with certain some of these items, it's it's it's cumbersome. Right. You have the uh skeletor head or uh uh was it Shao Kahn's uh helmet mask for Mortal Kombat, like these things that might may I mean you may not put the batteries in. Hopefully, you don't put the batteries in or the things you know, going the things may alarm and lights going off in the theater, but it's so cumbersome. It's kind of cumbersome to sit there, or the the um the Dune popcorn bucket, which was no that sparked a lot of uh fanfare on on the internet for a bit, or the the um uh Wolverine uh masked uh bucket from Deadpool. Like these things are weird, uh, but also sometimes they look larger than they are. They actually look well in reality larger than they are. Like um, I think this past summer was I think the 20 or 30th year anniversary of Back to the Future 2. They had a DeLorean, was one of those popcorn bucket, and that thing was big, like the size of my laptop. Like, wow, that's a okay, I won't get that because I didn't think it was gonna be that big. Um, yeah, so no, certain things are larger than you anticipate if you want to go actually buy like um the live action version of uh uh how to train your dragon. They had like a hiccup popcorn bucket, and it was really big. Like, okay, you know, I I got no place for this on my bookshelf, and I'm not gonna have this in my lap for the entire duration of the movie.
SPEAKER_01Yes, the hammer from like the wall of the Royal Harem, that hammer bucket.
SPEAKER_03That yeah, huge. She would have bought it, wouldn't she?
SPEAKER_01Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER_02I'm like, that's the thing. Like, nah, you would have bought that because I'm saying literally I was like, didn't they have the hammer one? Like, what's the wonderful?
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. Yeah, I can see them adding uh especially. Well, what what kind of bucket do you think they would have had if this was something popular during when Lord of the Rings first came out? The trilogy first came out. What kind of bucket do you think they would have made? Gandalf's hat. Gandalf's hat is a bucket.
SPEAKER_01Maybe I can see that. Um, they probably would have had a hammer or some kind of weapon. Um one of the weapons. Uh maybe Mountain Doom. They probably would have had a popcorn bucket. Mountain Doom.
SPEAKER_00Sarah's Tower or something like that.
SPEAKER_01Like maybe the lighter, the Linda. I don't know.
SPEAKER_00You know, that that that was maybe making a Shire, like the uh like the uh uh Bilbo's house, but then at the top it comes off in this popcorn or something like that, and there uh like they did with the Gladiator 2 bucket, like where it's an actual thing arena, you can do the shower, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Like because you could have yeah, the gladiator 2 one. Like, so imagine if they was in that for like the Shire itself, and then you could just fill it up. That would have been interesting.
SPEAKER_01That would have I would have got that aftermarket too, even if I had to.
SPEAKER_02It's okay. They can they they they can do it for the 25th anniversary of wait, no, hold on. I remember Gladiator had the mask.
SPEAKER_00That one like that had the mask that goes on top of the bucket that was separate. Uh, I saw that one uh when Jaden and I went to go see Gladiator 2 in the theater. I saw and I was like, Yep, I don't want that. No, no, no, I never wanted it to begin with, but I saw and I was like, Yeah, nope. I never saw the Coliseum looking uh bucket. I just looked online, I see it, but um I think I feel like there was something, maybe it was just a toy. I feel like there was something with Golem on a rock.
SPEAKER_01As uh maybe that's just it was a toy, but they could have turned that into a bucket. Actually, yeah, I have that toy. Oh, you do? Okay, so that's like what is a toy.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, oh my god, that would be yo, wait, hold on. That would actually be an amazing booth for someone to have at a con. Just have like all aftermarket popcorn buckets that like just have like 10 of each, they would sell out. Like you just have some somebody has a like a booth at a con. It's like you walk in and like you're a Lord of the Rings fan. These are the ones we got, do like and just have 10 of each. They that would be the fastest selling yeah, I would think so at any convention.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. Um someone is they they someone's have to have that, like just popcorn buckets or candy buckets, or just the candy collectibles, just have those available at your at your booth to purchase aftermarket. I think people would purchase those things. You can use them while you're there, you know? Pretty much, yeah. I'm trying to think what's the I I can I can foresee there's gonna be a Dr. Doom mask is gonna be a popcorn bucket for Doomsday, Avengers Doomsday, I believe. I haven't seen anything online, but I think that's gonna be one.
unknownTrue.
SPEAKER_00It could have been a Vader helmet, a Vader mask could have been a nice one, a Kyle Ren mask could have been a nice one, a stormtrooper mask would have been something green or tie-fired a popcorn bucket. Is the um I feel like is the Mandalorian have Mandalorian Grogu, I think. Don't they have uh some kind of popcorn buckets? Let me see. Yes, because we know it's going to Mandalorian. So they have a Mandu and Grogu popcorn bucket. So it looks like the Mandalorian's upper torso with Grogu on his back as a popcorn bucket. They got the Grogu and his little baby carrier as a popcorn bucket. The biggest one I see is the ant at popcorn bucket. Again, I can't get that. I've already been told no, and I really I have no place to put it, but it looks pretty good.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so someone online posted, I guess I don't know if this is really all of them, but like so you've got the Mando, the bucket, the hover pram bucket, the Mando Grogu popcorn bucket, the Grogu popcorn container, he's like this. Then it's just a bucket, a tin bucket with Grogu on the top. There's an at bucket, yeah.
SPEAKER_00That's what I'm talking about. The at-bucket.
SPEAKER_02Why? Like, and there's two. Oh my god. So the Mando helmet comes is a bucket, and then there's also a 32-ounce Mando metal, well, glossy metal cup.
SPEAKER_01Clutch with drink topper.
SPEAKER_02All right, so AMC looks like they got a good amount of a good decent stuff. Um, Regal has some interesting things. I don't know what a Harkins is, but Harkins has a popcorn tin with a keychain.
SPEAKER_00There's a Regal by me and an AMC, so I could get the probably the 130-ounce uh popcorn tin. That's a regular popcorn because I have a centers one and a Jurassic Park one like that. Those are normal tins, I don't nothing special, so you can just stack them and stack them inside of one another. But that's if I wanted it. I think I'm gonna try to try my best to just go and no, no, well, you know you're gonna buy it why are we? I have the thing. I have the AMC, I have the AMC membership, so I could get free large popcorn refills. So I can tell my one to purchase this, but don't put no popcorn in it. Just give me a regular paper container because I don't want to have to wash this buttery stuff out, just leave it leave it on no untouched in the plastic. I can put it on the shelf when I'm done.
SPEAKER_02If you see that Regal, you can get a Grogu plush. Just saying, it's not a bucket.
SPEAKER_00That Grogu plush is gonna be sold out before I but by the time I get to it there, it's gonna be sold out. I don't plan on seeing it open at night. Those things are gonna be going. But I'd yeah, I'd rather not have a plush.
SPEAKER_02Okay, Kareem will be able to do that.
SPEAKER_00One less thing to try to put on the shelf.
SPEAKER_02So Kareem, um, I know you have a I I know you have a regal near you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so I'm looking at the the ATT popcorn bucket or at add depending on how you like to pronounce it.
SPEAKER_00It it has light phone joint.
SPEAKER_01Sound effects. How big is this thing?
SPEAKER_02Are you serious? Yeah, this is okay.
SPEAKER_01So when when when you get that, please take pictures of it. You know, you know it's gonna be sold out. I I I can't do Thursday movies anymore, but you know it's gonna be sold.
SPEAKER_02Okay, and it's this is horrible. But no one says you have to buy it while you're seeing the movie. You could technically go there on a Thursday on your lunch breakers and how far away you work from the theater. Don't play with me, um, and buy it.
SPEAKER_00Huh? I'm looking on Reddit now. People so someone's already got the the popcorn bucket for the the ad one. How you no no how I don't know how they got it, but it's it's large, it's pretty large. It's it must it must have fallen. I don't think you can actually uh uh reduce its size. No, I don't know. It doesn't even look like it's gonna hold much popcorn. It's more so just the the novelty of having it. Um probably, yeah. It comes with a little Mandalorian holding on the side of it. It's it's nice and all, but how do you clean it?
SPEAKER_01That's the thing.
SPEAKER_00You I wouldn't put popcorn in it. It's like I don't want no, just give me the popcorn in a separate container. This is my collectible, I'll keep it in the bag while I watch the movie. No, we're good. But I think it's gonna be between I think it's between uh at least $80 for it. These things aren't cheap. Um, but again, you're gonna if you're selling these at an aftermarket, you're probably looking at spending. Yeah, I'm looking online now. You can actually Swan Driving is actually allows you to buy it now.
SPEAKER_01And that price point is $39.99. Just buy the the toy. Um well, I mean, yeah. You get more details and you don't have to worry about cleaning the butt out of it.
SPEAKER_02That's just yeah, I'm good.
SPEAKER_01Uh yeah, it does look nice.
SPEAKER_02No, we're good. It yeah. It's cute and theory, and again, this is the better way to take money from you. You don't need this, you don't need your hard-earned money. Buy this. You're an adult.
SPEAKER_00No, kid, we're kids with adult money. That's that's pretty much pretty much we're kids with adult money. I'd like to know uh from the those who are listening and viewing this, what popcorn buckets have you purchased, or would you be willing to purchase a popcorn bucket in the very near future?
SPEAKER_02And which what movie do you think would have been a which what movie would you have loved to have seen a popcorn bucket for? Like a digital one like that.
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SPEAKER_00Actually, another popcorn bucket I saw that was cute was the um the recent Superman movie. It was like a newsstand, the little the little red box newsstand. I think it had really, I think it had crypto sitting on top of it or or so, but it was that was that was cute. But again, you see when you go into the theater, oh that looks nice, and you know, you go about your day.
SPEAKER_01Like, I yeah, I just went about my day. I didn't buy that one with crypto on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The grin tells me otherwise, but you can buy it. Like, no, you know the one that we still use to this day. Oh, you use it for popcorn or you put other stuff in it? Um, for popcorn, you could take crypto off. Um ended up happening, but uh yeah, my son used it even last night for popcorn. Oh, of course you're TV. So you're saying they get pop because it's an actual bucket and you have crypto attached, he attaches to the bucket. Um it's a nice size popcorn bucket um with a nice, you know, a collectible attached to it.
SPEAKER_00I wonder if there's gonna be one from minions, the minions movie that comes out later on in the year. I feel like they're gonna probably have one from minions. Yeah, they probably will. That I would I would consider because they're just so goofy looking. I probably would consider getting a popcorn bucket of a minion. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I'm just I'm I'm literally just looking. Minions uh popcorn bucket.
SPEAKER_00I'm looking. Well, I see stuff on Amazon, but I want to see an actual movie, you know.
SPEAKER_02Uh yeah, so there's not one listed definitively yet, it looks like.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I know they got the despicable meat joints, but I'm wondering if these are ones that they sold at like Universal Studios. They have a whole bunch of different kinds uh meaning it's popcorn buckets.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I mean they look nice, but again, these are things that you know, if you have the New York City apartments don't have much space, so if you have a no spot on your shelf to put these little things, that'd be nice, but sometimes these buckets are so big, it's like, yeah, I I can't. I can probably put some of these Funko Pops inside these popcorn buckets.
SPEAKER_02Actually, speaking of Funko Pops, that's the other I was gonna say speaking of the Funko Pops, it's kind of like also another way that should. Those get movies get ruined.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. I think we were talking about that offline earlier. Was that no, uh, do toys also ruin the spoiler or the surprise uh involvement of certain characters or figures of a movie? Before, like, oftentimes you'll see a toy, like Karim. I think you mentioned you saw stuff about the Hulk. Uh, that's maybe uh inside the new Spider-Man movie. Like, oh, okay. We already know what they look like. Um, I think that was also true for um uh some of the Avenger movies earlier, uh, you know, before the last uh um endgame was like you can tell who's gonna be in a movie, what they're gonna look like, because the toys get released and media, social media season, so you already know this person's gotta be in a movie because they're making a toy to associate with that character.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Um, so I this one is a little bit tricky for me. Uh because I'm I'm sure when we were growing up, uh TV shows or or movies were probably driven either from the popularity of a toy or to make a toy popular. Um where you know, looking back at some of the storylines now, you're like, yeah, they probably just did that to make the character uh, you know, die off so they can have some new toys that they introduce later. You know, you get older, you start realizing like, okay, this is intertwined a little bit more than I thought. Um, so I really can't say if growing up, some of the announcements were done prior to a movie coming out or or right after or simultaneously. But one thing I do know now is it's easy for me to get an email um saying, yeah, this toy is available for pre-order before even seeing it in the trailer. Um so I've already received you know toy announcements and emails for a brand new day in the next Spider-Man movie, um, where you you pretty much get an idea of how the costumes are going to look or how the character is going to look because they try to make it as accurate as possible to the movie. Um, especially when you're dealing with, you know, people who want to play with it as a toy or they want to keep it, keep it as a collector's item. Um, they're not gonna want something that looks completely different than whatever it's based on. Um, so like the the Hulk, we all know the Hulk is going to be in the movie. Uh, they've been talking about that for some time. We don't know what role he's going to play. Um we do know there are a lot of villains in Brand New Day, uh, but we now know what he looks like when he turns into the Hulk. And obviously he's going to turn into the Hulk because the toy is out there already. Uh, I know the color pants, I know you know what version of the Hulk is probably going to be, are these close as possible to that? Um, so it gives you a good idea of the storyline. Um, there are some movies where they introduce characters before they even show them in the trailers. Uh, you know, especially sometimes overseas that news is announced about you know a toy that they're producing. Um it's not available, you can do a pre-order, but now the movie could be spoiled in that manner. Um so I do like being able to um buy certain characters, certain looks. Um, I do get annoyed when you know the movie comes out and then the toyline doesn't come out for like two or three years after. Like, well, I mean, like, you know, it's it's a little bit over at this point. But um, yeah, I do think sometimes they they they spoil um too much. In this case, it is it a deal breaker because you know what the whole point looks like? Probably not. Um, but I think this is one of the more conservative tour announcements compared to you know other cases.
SPEAKER_00I agree. Um I think also sometimes uh sometimes works the other way around where a movie is more popular than they anticipated, so now there is no product out to uh uh supplement that film. Like for example, K-Pot Demon Hunters was so popular on Netflix that people didn't anticipate for it, so there were really no toys or anything really legally tangible except for bootlegs or whatever around Christmas time this uh in 2025. So depends upon the movie, depends upon if I guess the studio believes in it enough to kind of get uh product placements at you know Happy Meals or Burger King or whatever have you that uh will tie it into the film. I think like um I think actually I think Burger King has a tie-in with uh um Mandalorian Grogu. So there may be some toys there at Burger King that may have get may give away a character or a scene. Like if if you haven't seen the the trailer for um Mandalorian Grogu, clearly Mandalorians gotta be attacking uh at Walker because there's a popcorn bucket showing him on the side of it. So I'm presuming this is actually gonna take place somewhere. Um, or the He-Man's coming out, you know, see uh uh Sculture at the top of his throne and He-Man walking up the throne. That's a I think that's a popcorn bucket or or a candy dispenser. We know that's gonna happen in the theater, in the movie, because it's a toy that correlates to the the the movie. Um no, so some things are spoilers, uh, but I feel like they they they know it's gonna be a spoiler. It's got almost like you gotta kind of blind yourself from social media and just uh uh just go into this theater and like I'm not gonna watch no any I'm not going on Facebook, I'm not going on Instagram until I see this movie. I don't want to know anything about it. I gotta stay off social media so I don't want to be spoiled. Where's Tom Holland? I want to make sure he doesn't tell me nothing about this. Tie that boy up until the movie is over. He can't stop himself. You know, he's gonna tell us away about something. Yeah, but I'd like to know from our viewers and our listeners like what popcorn buckets or what collectibles um they purchased or what they desire uh for any upcoming movies or even for movies that uh in the past. What you know, is there if you wish there was a popcorn bucket for I don't know, into the dragon. No, I mean uh drink the candy dispenser made it looking like nunchucks or something like that.
SPEAKER_02Wait, what if there was one for the last dragon?
SPEAKER_00Oh, a solo bottle is a is a good, but you got the globe, so it's like pizza is like uh wasn't it? It's a big pizza box, uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02Or even the thing where where um the the the little small thing that like where you could where uh shownuff puts his foot through it and because it's playing the music video. Oh the jukebox? Yeah, or that murky fish tank that the guy had.
SPEAKER_00The gangster had like the fish tank you think was a piranha or something inside of it. Yeah, okay. Maybe not that. Maybe not that. Yeah, I would like to know what people would think of uh uh old school movies and if they had a corresponding popcorn or collectible in the theaters, what what what would you desire it to be? This is this episode of the Three Hug Hoggets podcast for your host, Kareeman Hanif. Have a good one.