The Risk That Changed Everything—And Why You Should Take Yours w/ Karen Walker Cohn

In this episode, James Dunn sits down with Karen Walker Cohn to talk about resilience, reinvention, and rising after setbacks. Karen shares her incredible journey—from heartbreak to transformation—and how she turned the worst moments of her life into stepping stones for success. If you've ever felt stuck, lost, or unsure of your next move, this episode is for you.

🔹 The unexpected life event that forced Karen to rethink everything
 🔹 How taking the biggest risk of her life led to an unbelievable new chapter
 🔹 The hidden power of self-talk and how it shapes your reality
 🔹 Why being "stuck" is actually the biggest gift you can receive

Resources Mentioned

📖 Unstoppable by Karen Walker Cohn
📖 The Untethered Soul by Michael A. Singer
📖 Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill
📖 Outwitting the Devil by Napoleon Hill

#PersonalGrowth #Resilience #MindsetShift #OvercomingObstacles #SelfTalkMatters #TransformationJourney #LifeLessons #SuccessMindset #EmbraceTheJourney #GrowthMindset

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Karen Walker Cohn: Empowerment and Visibility Strategist

Karen Walker Cohn is an international bestselling author, podcast host, producer, and transformational coach dedicated to helping women move from feeling unseen and unheard to stepping confidently into their light. As an Empowerment and Visibility Strategist, Karen’s mission is to use her light to help others discover their own—guiding women to embrace their authentic power, amplify their voices, and make a lasting impact.

Through her thriving commUNITY, summits, and podcasts, Karen creates transformative spaces where women are supported in their journeys toward confidence, connection, and visibility. Her commUNITY is a dynamic collective of women committed to breaking barriers, sharing their stories, and taking bold action toward their dreams—together.

Born in Guyana, South America, and raised in Canada, Karen’s own path has been one of resilience, courage, and deep transformation. Having overcome self-doubt, adversity, and the fear of being seen, she now leads women through the “Unseen to Unstoppable” journey, a powerful framework designed to help them rewrite their stories, unlock their limitless potential, and live unapologetically.

A devoted wife, mother, and proud GG, Karen understands the strength of community and the power of visibility. She is passionate about helping every woman realize that her voice matters, her story is significant, and her light is meant to shine brilliantly.

Connect with her at: www.KarenWalkerCohn.com

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Transcript

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James Dunn: There we go, and then I will like edit like the beginning of this off so. But here we go, and all right. Hello! Hello! And welcome back to the show. I am super excited about the show today, and I know I say that pretty much for every stupid show that we do. But I am really excited. Today. I've got an amazing guest with me here today. I get Karen Walker Cone Karen. Welcome to the show.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Thank you so much, James, for having me. I mean, if you're super excited, you say that every show that's just, you know, proof that you love what you do.

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James Dunn: Yes, absolutely. I love getting on here and just sharing, you know, positivity and trying to cheer people up, excite people about life and give them, you know, Hope, and you know, just remind them what's possible in life. And that's kind of what we're going to talk about a little bit today. And this is one of the reasons I'm really excited to have you specifically on here is starting something new here with you today. I know we talked about it a little bit before we started the show. I'm going to start doing some guest interviews like with yourself and really leaning heavily into.

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James Dunn: you know experiences people have had, and some of the challenges that they've they've gone through, and how that shaped them. And you know some of the things that at the time. Maybe we thought were the worst things that ever happened to us, but then turned around to be some of the best things that happened to us. So is that something you you're down for today.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Oh, I'm so down, for that's that is my jam. I love that.

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James Dunn: Awesome, awesome. Well, we're we're going to kick this off, and you know, as I share with you, and I'll let the listeners know as well as I said this something brand new. So if we flub it up, as I always tell you on here, let me be the fool. Let me be the one that shows you shows. You see, I just started right there. Things don't have to be perfect. We're not going to edit any of this, we're just going to roll with it. We're going to have fun, because that is part of life. That is, you know who we are as humans. We're here to evolve and grow. And that's that only happens through making mistakes

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James Dunn: and trying things and seeing how they work and learning from them. So

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James Dunn: we're going to dive right into this. And, Karen, my very 1st question for you is, what was the biggest risk that you've taken or challenged you've had in life, and what did it teach you.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Wow, okay, so I.

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James Dunn: Not not that I like start off like super softball questions like.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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James Dunn: Favorite play for Republicans.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Just jump right in. Well, this is the biggest risk, James.

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James Dunn: Hey!

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Karen Walker Cohn: No no, I I actually have been really delving into in the last, I think year and a half

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Karen Walker Cohn: like, how can I go bigger. How can I take even bigger risks? I think, coming up to this, the thing that that for me still is the biggest risk risk that I've taken is, and I shared with you. I've been in San Antonio now for 9 years, and I moved from Canada to San Antonio. So that was a huge risk. I didn't know how that was going to happen, how I was going to be able to move to the United States. I just knew that

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Karen Walker Cohn: I had this dream in my heart, since you know my early twenties to live in the United States. And so, after my second divorce, which was really unexpected and heartbroken. I was heartbroken.

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Karen Walker Cohn: I I

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Karen Walker Cohn: decided, you know, at the time I was working for another company and helping and coaching my staff. And I'm like I'm their biggest cheerleader, and I'm always asking them, what's the dream in your heart? Let's let's work towards that. And I never really stopped to ask myself what the dream in my heart was. And so after

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Karen Walker Cohn: that divorce, I was like, you know what

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Karen Walker Cohn: I am going to sell everything I own, and move to another country and move to the Us. Move to Texas and don't know how this is going to happen.

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Karen Walker Cohn: It's I'm just going to take one step at a time, and

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Karen Walker Cohn: for me, that's it's worked out better than I could even have imagined. It.

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James Dunn: Yeah, no, I think that's awesome. I think that's awesome, because life really is like I said, is, you know, you just have to take those leaps of faith sometimes, and just put yourself out there and and see how it works out. And and so far it sounds like it's worked out pretty well, I know, at least for today. I didn't ask you what you know we talked a little bit about, but you know a little bit before we started the call about you know you living there. But you didn't mention what the temperature is there today. But you did mention that you moved from the cold weather to the warm weather, and

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James Dunn: seriously.

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James Dunn: already worked out amazingly for no other reason. And I think you said you met your husband in the airport there in San Antonio, so.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Did, yeah.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Face to face. Yeah, in the airport. And we've been like this ever since. So yeah, it was. It was really fantastic, especially for me like after you know, going through. This is, you know, my second was my second divorce, and feeling like in my heart of hearts. My deepest desire was to be married again, and to have a relationship with somebody that I could grow with.

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Karen Walker Cohn: And that wanted to grow with me.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Also, I call it like also wanted to call me out on my

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Karen Walker Cohn: shit like they just just wants to call me out, but call me up.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Well, and that was something that I had in deep in my heart. But I felt unworthy of that, because now I have been divorced twice. So you know, like it's marriage is just not in the cards for me. Yet deep in my heart I wanted that, and and now I feel like I have

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Karen Walker Cohn: for the 1st time in my life.

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Karen Walker Cohn: a marriage, even though I have, you know, 2 before it was. You can't. It's not the same. This is what.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Marriage is meant to be.

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James Dunn: Yeah, no, I love that being a twice divorced person myself. I love hearing you share that, because similar situation, you know where kind of almost at that point where it's like marriage, just maybe is in the cards for me. Maybe that's not the thing. But I love how you said. You know they're not going to call you out. They're going to call you up, because that is such a huge, vital piece of it. You know, it's having that person that they're not, you know, walking.

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James Dunn: not pushing you, but like walking beside you. You know that we're we're walking together and lifting each other up. But yeah, that is, that is awesome love, that

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James Dunn: not what I had hoped for. But has set you up for success, and maybe that's the divorces. Maybe that's.

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Karen Walker Cohn: And possibly

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Karen Walker Cohn: that. Well, that is the one is that you know. I I talk about this, and I you know I've said I came home one day and he was gone.

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Karen Walker Cohn: So it was like, you know. I walked in the front door, and I talk about this in my book unstoppable and

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Karen Walker Cohn: I walked in the front door, and I was just like something feels off. It. Almost felt like, you know, I had been

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Karen Walker Cohn: one time I was shopping. It was just during the Christmas holidays, and somebody had broken into my car, and I got into my car and I just the energy something just didn't seem right.

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Karen Walker Cohn: and I started to look around the car, and then I saw that they had jammed something into the ignition, and it actually broke off in there and then, as I was looking through this, I could see that oh, they were, you know, rifling through the car and stuff like that. So my intuition was just kicking in, and something was not right, and I had felt that

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Karen Walker Cohn: the day I walked in the house, and I just felt like

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Karen Walker Cohn: something just feels off. And I remember looking around and going, okay, what is that? And then it was not until I went into like our master closet, and I'd seen he had taken all his clothes and things like that, and I was like.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Like he just like peace out like it was just.

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Karen Walker Cohn: And so that that moment where I thought like, Oh, my! I'm like

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Karen Walker Cohn: I feel felt like, because even it, even my 1st divorce felt like it happened, for no reason like it was just. There was no reason for it. And well, that's how I felt.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Yeah, yeah.

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Karen Walker Cohn: You know, like we could have just talked or.

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Karen Walker Cohn: The case, you know. And and so yeah, so this the second time around going.

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Karen Walker Cohn: just, you know. And I was already dealing with, you know my come from was, I'm not enough. So not feeling like I'm enough and not feeling worthy. And so, yeah, I just felt like, you know, like I remember standing there asking like, what's wrong with me?

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Karen Walker Cohn: you can't talk to me. You can't like like, you know, that was just feeling like that. And I actually went into a really deep depression. I

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Karen Walker Cohn: I couldn't walk upright, so like I was slouched over it was felt like I was, had the weight

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Karen Walker Cohn: of the world on my shoulders, and I went to chiropractors. I ended up buying a new bed. I acupuncture like I did all the thing massage therapy, and I could not walk. It was about 2 or 3 months, and I could not walk upright and so like

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Karen Walker Cohn: I mean, I'm telling you this story because at the end of the day

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Karen Walker Cohn: man, I am constantly asking everybody what the dream in your heart, what the dream in their heart is. And yet I'm not

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Karen Walker Cohn: following the dream in my own heart.

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Karen Walker Cohn: so I get to do it for me first.st That's 1 of the things that

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Karen Walker Cohn: you know. It seems to be a constant theme, right like you can't pour out of an empty vessel, you know. You can't pour out of an empty cup. I get to fill myself first, st and so that's kind of the the route I've taken with my business especially because I'm just doing a brand shift and rebranding and just shifting my focus. So it kind of went from there to okay.

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Karen Walker Cohn: I am going to do this for me me first.st

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Karen Walker Cohn: And I'm gonna film it, and everyone else can come along for the journey if they want.

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James Dunn: There you go. Yeah, no, I love that. I love that. Because, yeah, when things like that happen, it does feel like it's the worst thing ever, and you know we shared this too earlier that you know me being twice divorced, and that was my pivotal moment, or one of the biggest pivotal moments in my life was realizing. Hey?

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James Dunn: 2 of these I thought I had all my shit figured out, and life was going well, and then I did see it coming. And I was. I don't know if I would say I was happy that it happened, but I was ready for it to happen. We were both ready for it to happen when it happened. But I just knew that something had to change, because I was that common denominator between those 2 marriages, and I had to change something. We can't keep looking outside ourselves. And so yeah, if you find yourself in a situation where it feels like it's the end of the world.

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James Dunn: Look at it and ask yourself, what can I learn from this situation? What is it that I brought to the table to make this happen, and there are things outside of our control. But there's so many things that we brought to the table that cause certain things to happen in our life, and if we can look and figure out what that was, and that gives us an amazing opportunity to change what happens, going forward and get out of this cycle, especially if it's like you and I were kept repeating, it's like, I'm not doing this a 3rd time, not not happening, you know.

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Karen Walker Cohn: yeah. What you were saying was really bringing up this thing for me like, you know, even the question. It doesn't have to feel good to be good and you know, if you're waiting for it to, you know, feel the right way, or feel a certain way, or look away. Let that just let that shit go. Yeah.

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Karen Walker Cohn: it. It doesn't have to look away. It doesn't have to feel a way to be good. And

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Karen Walker Cohn: I remember what I was saying to you. I had a release.

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Karen Walker Cohn: And there are. I'm walking down this road, and I have this vision in front of me for what I want my life to look like.

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Karen Walker Cohn: and then there's some in the ditches on either side.

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Karen Walker Cohn: and they're reaching out their hands to me, and I'm walking by and grabbing as many hands as I can, and come on. Let's go. Let's go. We're headed this way, you know. Get out of that ditch. Let's go, and I feel like I'm speaking to somebody right now get out of the ditch. Let's go.

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Karen Walker Cohn: And one of the things I won't let happen is those hands that I'm grabbing. You know, we're holding on to each other, and sometimes I gotta give you a little pull, and some people try to actually pull you back into the ditch with them.

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Karen Walker Cohn: But if you keep walking towards the goal that you're meant to walk towards, and you keep moving forward eventually your hands are going to you know.

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Karen Walker Cohn: you know. Just go like this, and.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Sometimes you have to let them sit in the ditch a lot longer than than you wanted them to.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Just so they don't pull you in there with them.

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James Dunn: And so I think that's I. I don't know where that came from.

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Karen Walker Cohn: That you know in your heart of hearts you're meant to. You're meant for more, and you're meant to keep walking towards the vision that you have for your life, and that's that's real. So keep going, and I know they can probably reach out to either. You, me first.st

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James Dunn: especially in terms of you know, the one mile or there's 2 miles of ditch, and all those people are on those sides there, you know, kind of doing their thing, and we're trying to help them along. And a great

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James Dunn: phrase that I heard somebody say once, you know, it's because we're trying to evolve. We're trying to grow. We're trying to make our lives better. And like I said. There's some people ahead of some people behind us, and there's people on the side we're trying to bring them with us. But you know, sometimes we feel really bad, because, you know, we're going on and doing things. But a mentor of mine reframed it for me, said, you're never leaving behind. They're choosing to stay like. That's true. That's a true story, you know.

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Karen Walker Cohn: There, yeah, I like that.

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James Dunn: It's like I. I want you to come with me. But if you're going to stay, I'm sorry, because I'm still going. You know this like, we've got these life visions. We want to fulfill these life visions. We know there's more for us, and we know there's more for you if you want it. But I'm not going to sit in your mess because you want to stay there.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Yes, that. And that was the second thing when you started speaking that came up for me is that we make choices

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Karen Walker Cohn: today that effect our future. And so, you know, make sure you're you're making

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Karen Walker Cohn: the choice, the choice that is going to serve your future.

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James Dunn: Yeah, yeah, because that's future use coming. It's it's gonna be here sooner or later. And and the choices you make today, or what are gonna dictate all of that.

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Karen Walker Cohn: So you know, so true, and and that your your future, you is in this present moment too.

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James Dunn: Yeah.

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Karen Walker Cohn: So why don't you just choose to be that like, choose who you want to be? Now.

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Karen Walker Cohn: We do have.

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Karen Walker Cohn: What's the beingness that you want to live, you know, and from that beingness, you know, I'm I'm an abundant, worthy woman, and from a place of abundance and worth.

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Karen Walker Cohn: I make a different choice than from a place of. I'm not enough.

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James Dunn: So what is one belief that you had to let go of to move from unsure to unstoppable.

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Karen Walker Cohn: wow! That is a good question I've had. You know I shared with you that I just recently did the an unseen to unstoppable summit.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Yeah. And so when you gave me the invitation to be on this, I was like, Oh, my gosh! And the 1st question was something very similar to that question that I was asking all of my speakers, you know. And will you ask that question again? Please?

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James Dunn: Yeah. So what's 1 belief you had to let go of to move from unsure to unstoppable.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Yeah, I had to let go of the belief that I was unsure.

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James Dunn: Yeah, I love that. Yeah, because you like. So you do know, we all know deep down inside, we're just afraid to say it out loud, because then then it becomes real, and then, if we don't accomplish it, then I'm a failure. And all this crazy mess all the stories start kicking in. But yeah, I love how you said, too, if you can just rephrase that, it's like, what if? What if you did know?

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James Dunn: What if I do know. Like if I did know what to do, what would I do if we can just rephrase that and stop doing like you said, stop using that couple of words like, I don't know over and over and over and over again, because you will find evidence that you don't know you're gonna you're going to

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Karen Walker Cohn: Yes. Oh, my gosh, James, like language is everything. I'm just checking. You know, my wi-fi, because it seems like unstable. So if you if you're okay, I'm just gonna switch my Wi-fi, I may cut out a little bit.

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James Dunn: cool. Then we will move to the next question, what is the best advice you've ever received that helps you push through doubt.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Wow!

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Karen Walker Cohn: You know, I surround myself with a bunch of amazing people.

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Karen Walker Cohn: and I've been receiving so much good advice. So I I do. I receive a lot of great stuff. I'm trying to think what is the best one. I think

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Karen Walker Cohn: you know it. It means nothing if you receive the advice, but you don't implement it.

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James Dunn: Hmm! That's oh, that's that's such a that's huge. That is a huge.

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James Dunn: So you guys don't take anything else from this. Podcast. Take that piece of advice right there, because you can sit and listen to all the most amazing advice that can gives you, or that I share with you. But if you don't go implement any of this, it's just all the waste of time. It's all entertainment. So what I like to say is like education without implementation is educate, or it's entertainment. Yeah.

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Karen Walker Cohn: you get some joy out of it, or whatever. But if you're just soaking up knowledge for the sake of soaking up knowledge, I mean me in my analyst brain like. That's the way I tend to show up in the world. I tend to analyze. And I love information. And you know I love to research.

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Karen Walker Cohn: you know that that I used to just hide behind really is what you know, because I wanted I wanted to stay hidden, and yet

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Karen Walker Cohn: And so I think you at the top of this talking about it, messy is okay, and you know this. Show up as you are because

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Karen Walker Cohn: And when you show up you permission others to do the same. Yeah. And I think that

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James Dunn: and stop worrying about what other people think. Stop worrying about their opinions. You know Mel Robbins has a thing that's kind of sweeping the nation right now to let them theory, you know, and it's.

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James Dunn: Boils down to that is like who gives a fuck what anybody thinks about what you do. You know, I'm gonna leave the part in here, where you just talked about, I'm gonna switch over Wi-fi, because again, that lets people like, Oh, wait, you can switch over Wi-fi in the middle of a podcast you don't have to edit that. No, you don't. Fucking have to edit it out.

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James Dunn: Experience is all about so. But yes, I I love that so thank you for sharing that.

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Karen Walker Cohn: And even though, you know, you go through the self-development and all that kind of stuff.

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James Dunn: I think that's huge. And you know to your point. There, there's a very specific example that I like to use, because I had the same situation where I used to talk to myself so terribly, so bad. And one specific example I like to share with people is, if I would do something, and it wouldn't like if, basically, for lack of better term, I'd fuck it up.

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James Dunn: Yeah, exactly. That's all it is. It's like, Okay, I learned something new. Don't try it that way. Let's try it a different way, you know, and and talking about like our beliefs, and how they were all formed. You know, when we were young, like 6, 7 years old, an interesting thing I've been doing lately is I've been going back and watching a bunch of the shows that I watched when I was a little kid.

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James Dunn: if I think about the Dukes of Hazard, you had Boss Hogg on there, and he was like the most evil guy he was all about money. Just give me the money, money, money, money, and he just wanted to hurt the poor little old Duke boys, I mean, they were just good old boys doing, you know all that.

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James Dunn: And and seeing some of those influences. But that's the big one that I've caught so far.

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James Dunn: so let me see, where were we at? Oh, okay, yes, this one's an easy one, because this one's something people can just run right out and do something with. So what's a book podcast or resource that has had a profound impact on your mindset?

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Karen Walker Cohn: My mind is the untethered soul by Michael.

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James Dunn: Yeah, I was just listening to his book outwitting the devil just a couple of days ago.

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James Dunn: Yeah. And this one, this one's some other guy doing. And it's not quite as good. But it's still the the same words. But yeah, think and grow rich. Amazing book. And the untethered soul that one I really liked it. I always remember. Like, if I ever think about that book, it's just the one

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Karen Walker Cohn: I think that's the beauty of life like a lot of us. I mean, I did the same thing. It just gave it a bad rap like, okay. I went to the course. I read the book.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Am I doing that with my kids like? Am I doing that with my business? You know, if I start something new, and I, you know I go on the Gram, and you know I have. I'm trying to get.

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Karen Walker Cohn: I used to say, Why is this happening to me now? I say, why is this happening for me?

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Karen Walker Cohn: What is there like? Where's the Golden Nugget?

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Karen Walker Cohn: Like an adventure I get to find the Golden Nugget.

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James Dunn: It circles back to talking about earlier opportunity. You know there's an opportunity here when this happens. Over and over and over again I keep. I'm missing the opportunity. And so life's gonna keep bringing it back around to me until I see that opportunity. So yeah, I love that all right. We're in the homestretch. We're getting close here.

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Karen Walker Cohn: This is a great

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Karen Walker Cohn: Wow!

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Karen Walker Cohn: Oh, one piece of advice. I I kind of went to that.

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Karen Walker Cohn: What came up in my mind is that picture of the ditch again?

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Karen Walker Cohn: You know, like, you know, you're stuck.

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Karen Walker Cohn: And isn't that the beauty of no like of being stuck is that you actually know you're stuck.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Like, isn't I think that would be so awful if you're stuck and you don't know you're stuck. And I've met people like that, too.

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James Dunn: Yeah, they just well, they're stuck in denial, I mean, because they know. But they want to just pretend that it's not, you know, like. Nope.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Yeah, and and I and I've met those. But I've also met people who are truly they're oblivious.

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Karen Walker Cohn: it. It'll happen the right time when when it happens for them. They figure it all out. But I think that's the 1st thing is like, if you know you're stuck.

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Karen Walker Cohn: It is such a gift.

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James Dunn: Just having that awareness.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Yes.

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Karen Walker Cohn: and actually the fact that you can reframe it and see it as the gift, and see the opportunity in it

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Karen Walker Cohn: is the actual thing that's going to get you unstuck.

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James Dunn: Yeah, boom, love that.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Look at your stuckness as a gift, as an opportunity.

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James Dunn: Yes, because and and I think that is something that people overlook. And they they minimize, or even just

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James Dunn: when you're stuck. It's like, Wait a minute. This is amazing, because when I get unstuck from this. Guess what I get to move forward, you know. I mean, if you're at the top of the mountain, you got no place left to go. But if you've got a challenge, if you've got a struggle in your life, if we can look at those as opportunities, we can look at those opportunities, it's like, Whoa, wait a minute. This is awesome because I get to move further now and then when I get to that point, then oh, there's gonna be something else I'm gonna be stuck at. I get to go a little bit further.

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James Dunn: You know, that is, that is, that beauty of that evolution is just constant growth and learning and just keeping moving forward in life. I think that's what help. That's what help keeps us feeling young is that constant growth.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Yeah. Well, you know, I I talk about.

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Karen Walker Cohn: You know a lot of the times we think that growth and you speak about a mountain is like is like growth is going up the mountain.

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Karen Walker Cohn: and then you're at the mountain. And then somehow, there's a plateau, or there's stability.

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Karen Walker Cohn: I don't think there's any such thing as stability. The minute that you're not growing you're in decay.

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Karen Walker Cohn: And so, you know, you say, you get to the top of the mountain, there's nowhere to go. Yeah, you get to go down the other side, so you can go up the next mountain.

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Karen Walker Cohn: which is what we were just talking about, right like.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Ends because you can't just stay at the top of the mountain like I mean, you stay there, celebrate and check out the view.

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Karen Walker Cohn: And where's where? Because if you stay there, you're in decay.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Yeah, so where's the next growth? Opportunity?

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James Dunn: And then it's 1 of those things we think we get the top of the mountain. And then it's going to like, change everything. And everything's gonna be wonderful. But I mean, I've heard it so many times. But I heard it just again, like a week or 2 ago, was one. I don't remember what the player's name was, but he was one of the Philadelphia eagles who just won the Super Bowl, and that had been his life goal was to win the super bowl, and literally, just like 2 days afterwards. He's like, now what it's like. I thought that was going to change everything. I thought I would feel a certain way when it happened. And now I don't. It's like, yeah, celebrated for this day or 2. But now I'm like, now what you know.

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Karen Walker Cohn: And that's and that's the whole like. Oh, gosh, James, I gotta tell you this I like in the last week I because I've been

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Karen Walker Cohn: The beginning of 2025, you know, and and stuff. And having these amazing opportunities like to sit here and and talk to you I'm realizing that. Oh, gosh! I don't celebrate enough.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Did that holy cow. Let's go out. Let's dance, I mean, I love dancing. So let's

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Karen Walker Cohn: But the truth is, I wasn't really celebrating from a grateful, thankful, abundant heart going because there was still that little piece that is my core belief that I'm kind of

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Karen Walker Cohn: butting heads with sometimes of I'm not enough. So in order to keep building the momentum and keep rising, I got to do the next thing.

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Karen Walker Cohn: But that's all. From a place of scarcity.

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Karen Walker Cohn: So just to be able to go. Wow!

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Karen Walker Cohn: Celebrate this thing, which is kind of what sounds like that Philadelphia eagles like now, like you experience that, and it's the whole journey of

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Karen Walker Cohn: the training, the college ball that, like all that stuff that brought you to where you are now, you want it in the moment. And then it's like, Wow, like, celebrate that that's so beautiful.

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Karen Walker Cohn: And now, what's where's the next celebration?

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James Dunn: Yeah, what's the next goal I can. I can work towards and like, say, not coming from a feeling like, I have to do this to prove my worthiness or anything of that nature. It's just because I want to continue to grow, and I want to continue to evolve. So I am going to keep looking for. Okay, what's the next thing I can challenge myself with and grow from.

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James Dunn: So awesome. So that is my my unstoppable 7 questions, and this one we'll do now.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Good.

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James Dunn: I'm gonna I'm gonna let you just kinda share a little bit about you know, where can people connect with you if they want to find out more about you. Kind of give. I'm gonna I'm gonna steal something from sean on hot ones if you ever watch hot ones. But it's like, you know, here, this camera, this camera, you know. Tell me what you got going on in your life where they can connect with you. I'm gonna work on that. But yeah, just kind of share real quick, if you want to. You know what you got going on right now, and how people can connect with you.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Yeah, I appreciate that definitely. Connect with me at Karenwalker cone.com, and that's COHN. karenwalkerone.com. I have all my my socials there, all the things that are going on is is all there. So it's kind of like a 1 stop shop.

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James Dunn: Awesome, awesome. Well, that makes it easy.

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Karen Walker Cohn: I'm, I'm working on my, my, podcast. Season, 2 coming back to love. And so yeah, I'm looking forward to getting that started and just like, I said, coming out of the summit. And you know, just working on a bunch of little.

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James Dunn: They're they're.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Hugely impactful project.

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James Dunn: Yes.

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Karen Walker Cohn: You know that that is my my goal, to amplify, to have this platform, to amplify women's voices and and to have this opportunity to speak with you, James. I'm just absolutely thrilled, and coming back to love is not for women, but the summits and the, you know, unseen to unstoppable, that is, to amplify women's voices. And

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Karen Walker Cohn: but I really enjoyed this conversation with you. And I'm looking forward to seeing

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Karen Walker Cohn: what else you're going to come up with. This has been so great.

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James Dunn: Yes, it has been awesome. And so I do have one final question before we wrap this up. How do you define? Unstoppable in your own words?

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Karen Walker Cohn: Hmm!

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Karen Walker Cohn: Unstoppable.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Wow!

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Karen Walker Cohn: So funny. I asked this question.

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James Dunn: I'm turning the tables on you, cause I'm like.

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Karen Walker Cohn: This you, this would be great for you.

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Karen Walker Cohn: This is so good. They're

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Karen Walker Cohn: is just having this level of love and honor for myself that I can't.

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Karen Walker Cohn: To stop would be an act of betrayal.

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Karen Walker Cohn: And yeah, unstoppable to me means that there's nothing. There's nothing that

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Karen Walker Cohn: could get in the way of my greatness.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Yeah, I don't know what else to say.

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James Dunn: Love, that.

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Karen Walker Cohn: Nothing I can get in the way of my greatness.

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James Dunn: I think that's amazing. So awesome. With that we will wrap up this episode and get out there have an amazing fucking day, and I'll see you guys next time.