{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":0.26,"endTime":2.78,"body":"You hear about a lot of things about aging."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2.78,"endTime":7.79,"body":"You'll hear about zombie cells and telomeres shortening, but it's all wrapped around"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":7.79,"endTime":9.92,"body":"cells. And here's what it boils down to."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":9.95,"endTime":15.92,"body":"What aging is, is the loss of functional cells as we go through life."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":17.54,"endTime":23.12,"body":"Bill Rawls is a medical doctor from the US state of North Carolina who, after confronting"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":23.12,"endTime":28.82,"body":"a health crisis of his own, now focuses his energies on holistic health interventions and"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":28.82,"endTime":30.98,"body":"the power of herbal supplements."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":31.01,"endTime":34.5,"body":"Hello again. Welcome to the Live Long and Master Aging podcast."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":34.52,"endTime":40.01,"body":"I'm Peter Bowes. This is where we explore the science and stories behind human longevity."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":40.04,"endTime":42.13,"body":"Now Bill is a prolific author."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":42.14,"endTime":45.47,"body":"His latest book is The Cellular Wellness Solution."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":45.47,"endTime":50.6,"body":"Tap into Your Full Health Potential with the Science Backed Power of Herbs."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":52.1,"endTime":56.12,"body":"Dr. Bill Rawls, welcome to the Live Long and Master Aging Podcast."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":56.29,"endTime":57.86,"body":"Ah, thank you. It's a pleasure."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":57.89,"endTime":61.89,"body":"Really good to talk to you. So you are a fourth generation physician."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":61.89,"endTime":67.74,"body":"You are from a medical family and you start your book with a story that may well surprise"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":67.74,"endTime":73.77,"body":"some people that we're hearing this from someone with such a rich medical history, a"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":73.77,"endTime":76.89,"body":"dramatic personal health crisis."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":76.92,"endTime":78.03,"body":"Yeah, Yeah."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":78.03,"endTime":80.49,"body":"It's interesting to see all that history."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":80.52,"endTime":85.05,"body":"You know, I heard stories of my great grandfather when I was growing up, didn't know him."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":85.08,"endTime":88.47,"body":"Of course, I went on house calls with my grandfather."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":88.5,"endTime":92.01,"body":"My father was always in the hospital."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":92.01,"endTime":97.95,"body":"You know, when I was young, I hardly saw him, and I ended up going that same route."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":97.95,"endTime":104.88,"body":"But my journey has been a bit atypical in that I didn't end up following the conventional"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":104.88,"endTime":106.93,"body":"pathway of most physicians."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":106.95,"endTime":114.09,"body":"I started my career in obstetrics and gynecology, and it's, you know, which is really"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":114.09,"endTime":119.31,"body":"great. You know, most of the patients were well and was delivering babies and it was a"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":119.31,"endTime":125.61,"body":"lot of fun. But back then, unlike today, I was on 24 hour hospital call every second or"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":125.61,"endTime":131.43,"body":"third day, and that was along with running a busy practice and just didn't get sleep for"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":131.43,"endTime":137.82,"body":"15 or 20 years and finally caught up with me, crashed and, you know, everything."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":137.82,"endTime":139.47,"body":"My whole body was falling apart."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":139.47,"endTime":145.65,"body":"But oddly, I wasn't sick enough for the medical system to pay attention to me."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":145.65,"endTime":151.02,"body":"You know? I mean, it's just, you know, most of the labs weren't bad enough, even though I"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":151.02,"endTime":154.53,"body":"had heart issues and brain issues and neurological symptoms."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":154.53,"endTime":156.27,"body":"And it was like everything."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":156.27,"endTime":163.38,"body":"So I identified first with fibromyalgia, which is just kind of a wastebasket diagnosis"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":163.38,"endTime":168.42,"body":"when they can't figure out anything else and gravitated later toward a diagnosis of"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":168.42,"endTime":169.71,"body":"chronic Lyme disease."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":169.71,"endTime":176.34,"body":"When I found out I was carrying some of those microbes, but none of the things that the"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":176.34,"endTime":180.27,"body":"conventional health care system had to offer really helped me."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":180.27,"endTime":183.45,"body":"And I ended up you know, I did a lot of things."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":183.45,"endTime":184.77,"body":"I changed my diet."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":184.77,"endTime":192.24,"body":"I tried every alternative therapy known and finally turned to herbs and herbs, gave me my"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":192.24,"endTime":195.72,"body":"life back. And I've been intrigued by that ever since."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":195.72,"endTime":203.37,"body":"And it's changed my whole pathway, my whole career, that I don't see chronic illness the"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":203.37,"endTime":205.74,"body":"same way that other physicians do."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":206.91,"endTime":210.18,"body":"I, you know, the whole perspective was changed."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":210.18,"endTime":216.57,"body":"And I see herbs as such, this wonderful, important thing that we're all just missing out"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":216.57,"endTime":223.23,"body":"on. And so my message is getting the word out, helping people understand how valuable"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":223.23,"endTime":224.85,"body":"this resource is."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":225.0,"endTime":229.49,"body":"And for you, there was a you could say, a light bulb moment, a pivotal moment."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":229.5,"endTime":233.55,"body":"You were sitting on a beach and something quite dramatic happened to you."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":233.55,"endTime":240.72,"body":"Yeah, I mean, it was, you know, I think like a lot of people, it was I was into physical"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":240.72,"endTime":246.48,"body":"fitness and it was just, yeah, I can exercise my way through this, you know, if I just"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":246.48,"endTime":250.44,"body":"exercise hard enough, all these symptoms are going to get better."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":250.44,"endTime":257.25,"body":"And I was out trying to surf one day and I just started having really bad heart"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":257.25,"endTime":262.41,"body":"palpitations, just skipped beat chest pain, and it was like, this is really bad."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":262.41,"endTime":267.3,"body":"And I went to the beach thinking, this is kind of like, I don't know if I'm going to make"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":267.3,"endTime":272.04,"body":"it. And finally my heart settled down enough that I could get to the car."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":272.04,"endTime":277.56,"body":"And I went to the emergency room and they found I wasn't having an acute heart event."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":277.56,"endTime":283.26,"body":"I wasn't having a heart attack, but my heart was skipping beats almost every second or"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":283.26,"endTime":289.8,"body":"third beat. And my heart muscle was oxygen starved, but it was more of a chronic process,"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":289.8,"endTime":291.54,"body":"ended up with a cardiac cath."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":291.54,"endTime":296.31,"body":"They said, Well, your vessels are clear, but we can, you know, we can put you on drugs."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":296.31,"endTime":299.91,"body":"You might have to have a pacemaker, but that's about all we can do for you."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":299.96,"endTime":304.31,"body":"And it was kind of like they really don't know how to fix me."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":304.31,"endTime":306.56,"body":"And that's when I made this big transition."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":306.56,"endTime":309.53,"body":"And it was kind of like, you know, the drugs make me feel bad."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":309.53,"endTime":310.82,"body":"I don't want a pacemaker."},{"speaker":"Bill 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their lives back 100%."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":374.4,"endTime":376.41,"body":"And I really didn't want any part of that."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":376.41,"endTime":378.6,"body":"So I wanted a well population."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":378.6,"endTime":383.88,"body":"You know, when you look at obstetrics and gynecology, when people do get sick, those"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":383.88,"endTime":385.38,"body":"things are typically acute."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":385.38,"endTime":391.92,"body":"And the interventions that you do are sometimes lifesaving, but you usually something"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":391.92,"endTime":395.34,"body":"that, you know, it brings them back to where they should be."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":395.34,"endTime":397.26,"body":"And I enjoyed that."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":397.26,"endTime":403.08,"body":"But, you know, when I crossed over that line to chronic illness 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you ask questions, right?"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":427.44,"endTime":429.12,"body":"It's all how you ask questions."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":429.36,"endTime":436.08,"body":"So when a person comes in with any kind of illness, the question is what's the diagnosis,"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":436.08,"endTime":439.17,"body":"right? So we want to know the right diagnosis."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":439.17,"endTime":445.89,"body":"And when that comes to acute situations like a heart attack, a broken leg, you know,"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":445.89,"endTime":451.32,"body":"something like that, that that cause and the intervention that you have to do is pretty"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":451.32,"endTime":457.95,"body":"obvious. But when you cross over into illnesses like dementia, autoimmune diseases,"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":457.95,"endTime":463.65,"body":"Parkinson's, all of these kinds of things, you know, that cause there's there's not that"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":463.65,"endTime":468.45,"body":"obvious pinpoint cause that you can't go in and just surgically fix that thing."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":468.45,"endTime":473.43,"body":"So you end up, you know, so in chronic illness, searching for a diagnosis."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":473.43,"endTime":478.65,"body":"So we're we're defining the person's symptoms and we're trying to get some category to"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":478.65,"endTime":485.0,"body":"put them in. And it's typically to find out what drug to put them on or drugs to put them"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":485.0,"endTime":492.68,"body":"on. And what I really came to understand is that drugs have the capacity to reduce"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":492.68,"endTime":499.67,"body":"symptoms and artificially block the processes of illness, but they don't have the ability"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":499.67,"endTime":504.23,"body":"to promote healing or restore a normal state of wellness."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":504.62,"endTime":507.17,"body":"And what's missing is the question."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":507.17,"endTime":510.86,"body":"So what I started asking is why am I ill?"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":510.89,"endTime":514.01,"body":"What caused me to end up in this situation?"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":514.01,"endTime":518.6,"body":"And some things were obvious, you know, I mean, if you go with sleep, that's a really bad"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":518.6,"endTime":522.29,"body":"problem. I didn't really understand all the reasons why."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":522.32,"endTime":527.03,"body":"And even back in the 80s and 90s, they were questioning, Do we really need to sleep so"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":527.03,"endTime":530.69,"body":"much? It's such a waste to be there, to have to sit in a bed for eight hours."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":530.69,"endTime":532.61,"body":"Can't we get by with four hours?"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":532.61,"endTime":537.08,"body":"I bought into that and I can tell you it's a really bad idea."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":537.62,"endTime":539.78,"body":"So, you know, we need sleep."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":539.78,"endTime":541.16,"body":"So that was obvious."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":541.16,"endTime":543.78,"body":"And the sleep affected my stress levels."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":543.78,"endTime":548.49,"body":"So, you know, I was continually trying to balance community being a father, being a"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":548.49,"endTime":551.67,"body":"husband, doing this really crazy practice."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":551.67,"endTime":553.11,"body":"So a lot of stress."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":553.11,"endTime":557.76,"body":"And that meant I wasn't eating properly, about the only thing that I was doing right was"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":557.76,"endTime":562.29,"body":"trying to exercise regularly whenever I had the chance, everything else I was doing"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":562.29,"endTime":568.32,"body":"wrong. So obviously those are the things that started changing that I gave up the"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":568.32,"endTime":569.46,"body":"obstetrics call."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":569.61,"endTime":575.28,"body":"You know, I created a practice that evolved into something that we'd probably look at and"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":575.28,"endTime":577.83,"body":"call a functional medicine practice now."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":579.27,"endTime":581.31,"body":"So my practice changed."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":581.4,"endTime":584.22,"body":"You know, it took me a long time to get my sleep back."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":584.22,"endTime":588.66,"body":"I changed my diet, you know, and all of that was an evolving process."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":588.66,"endTime":590.28,"body":"But that helped."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":590.28,"endTime":592.59,"body":"But it didn't get me where I needed to be."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":592.59,"endTime":597.03,"body":"And then the diagnosis of Lyme came along and I thought, you know, yeah, I'm carrying"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":597.03,"endTime":601.61,"body":"these microbes if I can take some antibiotics to get rid of them and took antibiotics and"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":601.61,"endTime":604.04,"body":"that made me sick or instead of better."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":604.22,"endTime":609.14,"body":"And then the herbs, it's like, okay, I research all these herbs that have antimicrobial"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":609.14,"endTime":611.93,"body":"properties. I'm still killing the microbes."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":611.93,"endTime":616.13,"body":"And then I started getting better and it's like, Yeah, yeah, this is working, this is"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":616.13,"endTime":620.6,"body":"working, you know? And I kept, you know, working that equation for about five years until"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":620.6,"endTime":621.94,"body":"everything got back."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":621.95,"endTime":628.28,"body":"But stuff that you wouldn't really think was part of Lyme disease, like my blood"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":628.28,"endTime":632.87,"body":"pressure. I had been diagnosed with essential hypertension when I was in my 30s."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":632.9,"endTime":637.28,"body":"My blood pressure went to normal, my cholesterol went to normal, my blood sugar came"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":637.28,"endTime":643.43,"body":"down, you know, all these other things, constipation, GI issues, all of this stuff all"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":643.43,"endTime":646.39,"body":"resolved when I was taking the herbs."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":646.4,"endTime":653.21,"body":"So that forced me to really ask, well, what are the herbs doing and how are these things"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":653.21,"endTime":658.4,"body":"working? So at first I explored all the herbal traditions such, you know, traditional"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":658.4,"endTime":663.12,"body":"Chinese medicine and all of and Ayurvedic medicine and all the different things."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":663.12,"endTime":668.19,"body":"Those all predate science and my mind needed the science."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":668.19,"endTime":674.01,"body":"So I started looking and asking that question of, you know, what are the herbs doing at"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":674.01,"endTime":677.52,"body":"the cellular and biochemical level?"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":677.52,"endTime":682.17,"body":"And that's really took me to a whole different place of where I am now."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":682.17,"endTime":686.49,"body":"And looking at this equation of, you know, cellular wellness."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":686.73,"endTime":691.47,"body":"And just going back to the lifestyle that you were leading, as you described it, a life"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":691.47,"endTime":698.73,"body":"full of stress of probably not the optimized diet that perhaps you've moved on to, a life"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":698.73,"endTime":703.92,"body":"of too little sleep that really describes the existence of so many people."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":703.92,"endTime":708.69,"body":"You were a busy doctor existing in that lifestyle, but it could apply to teachers."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":708.69,"endTime":714.15,"body":"It could apply to engineers, it could apply to cleaners, it could apply to busy parents"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":714.15,"endTime":718.23,"body":"today. And that's why there is such a and it's not an exaggeration."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":718.23,"endTime":722.64,"body":"That's why there is such a health crisis, not only in this country, the United States,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":722.64,"endTime":724.11,"body":"but around the world."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":724.32,"endTime":725.91,"body":"Yeah, it's huge."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":725.91,"endTime":727.44,"body":"I mean, it's it's what we eat."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":727.44,"endTime":729.12,"body":"It's how we go about life."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":729.15,"endTime":733.23,"body":"Average American's sleep in a 6.5 hours average."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":733.92,"endTime":734.97,"body":"It's not enough."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":734.97,"endTime":736.44,"body":"So all of these things."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":736.44,"endTime":743.31,"body":"But we're also not taking advantage of this natural plant chemistry that I think is so"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":743.31,"endTime":748.95,"body":"remarkably important to so even in people who are striving for longevity."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":748.95,"endTime":754.59,"body":"So, you know, looking at, you know, how the herbs are actually affecting our cells,"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":754.59,"endTime":760.29,"body":"whether you're talking about preventing chronic illness, slowing aging and enhancing"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":760.29,"endTime":762.42,"body":"longevity. Wow."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":762.42,"endTime":763.71,"body":"It's a powerful tool."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":763.71,"endTime":764.82,"body":"It really is."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":764.82,"endTime":771.42,"body":"So let's dive more deeply into what you have discovered since that crisis laden period of"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":771.42,"endTime":777.21,"body":"your life, and you begun to explore the reasons, the reasons why you were feeling like"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":777.21,"endTime":779.37,"body":"that. And you talked about herbal medicine."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":779.37,"endTime":782.61,"body":"Your new book is The Cellular Wellness Solution."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":782.61,"endTime":785.1,"body":"I have it here. It is a hefty book."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":785.13,"endTime":786.63,"body":"It is from page to page."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":786.63,"endTime":791.85,"body":"It is full of valuable information and it is a deeply researched book and deeply"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":791.85,"endTime":793.23,"body":"referenced book as well."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":793.32,"endTime":796.26,"body":"I should add. What prompted you to write this."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":796.26,"endTime":801.51,"body":"Part of my therapy, dating way back has been writing, you know, I mean, as I was learning"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":801.51,"endTime":806.55,"body":"things, I was writing these health sheets that I would hand out in my practice, and that"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":806.55,"endTime":815.13,"body":"led to a book, you know, about 15, 20 years ago of when I was going through this about,"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":815.13,"endTime":818.85,"body":"you know, eating better and just thinking about your body differently."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":818.85,"endTime":823.56,"body":"And I wrote another book on chronic Lyme disease, really looking at it from another point"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":823.56,"endTime":827.49,"body":"of view. So this one was finally just where I am today."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":827.49,"endTime":835.08,"body":"Of all the information that I've accumulated and taking a very serious look at problems"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":835.08,"endTime":841.17,"body":"at the cellular level, you know, we don't typically think of ourselves as a collection of"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":841.17,"endTime":845.79,"body":"cells. 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I mean, I look at it now and it seems so simple and it took me ten years to get to"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":893.85,"endTime":899.16,"body":"this. But what symptoms are are when cells are stressed or injured in the body?"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":899.42,"endTime":901.37,"body":"We don't think of symptoms that way."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":901.64,"endTime":904.79,"body":"It's kind of this nebulous discomfort that we think about."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":904.79,"endTime":910.13,"body":"But specifically, you know, like if you twist your ankle or if you block off a coronary"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":910.16,"endTime":913.28,"body":"vessel, you stressed cells or injured cells."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":913.28,"endTime":916.43,"body":"And when cells are injured, they do two things."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":916.43,"endTime":921.86,"body":"One, they they release chemicals that send a message to the brain that tell us tell the"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":921.86,"endTime":923.03,"body":"brain that something's wrong."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":923.03,"endTime":925.55,"body":"So we feel it as pain or discomfort."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":925.55,"endTime":931.22,"body":"But the second thing is you lose that function or that function becomes compromised."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":931.22,"endTime":938.36,"body":"Right? You lose heart muscle or you lose the function of of being able to walk if you"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":938.36,"endTime":943.04,"body":"sprain your ankle. So any symptom is a reflection of stressed cells."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":943.13,"endTime":946.1,"body":"Now, we all have symptoms from time to time, right?"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":946.73,"endTime":951.5,"body":"So symptoms resolve spontaneously."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":951.5,"endTime":958.85,"body":"And what that is, is the ability of cells to repair and regenerate themselves."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":958.85,"endTime":963.9,"body":"So you twist your ankle, you start walking on a crutch and take some pressure off of it."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":964.02,"endTime":969.3,"body":"It's going to it's going to heal Well, that's cells rebuilding and regenerating."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":969.63,"endTime":975.3,"body":"You unblock that coronary vessel and your cells in your heart are going to recover unless"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":975.3,"endTime":978.12,"body":"you've killed them off completely, which is a bad thing."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":978.15,"endTime":978.57,"body":"Of cours"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":978.57,"endTime":983.67,"body":"People often refer to the body's extraordinary ability to heal itself, and we've probably"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":983.67,"endTime":985.47,"body":"all experienced that to some extent."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":985.47,"endTime":986.34,"body":"It's all cellular"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":986.34,"endTime":987.72,"body":"Yeah, exactly."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":987.72,"endTime":992.28,"body":"That's exactly what you're saying, that it starts with our cells, which I know for a lot"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":992.28,"endTime":997.5,"body":"of people is just difficult to get your head around that really the root of everything"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":997.5,"endTime":999.06,"body":"starts with our cells."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":999.18,"endTime":1001.1,"body":"Absolutely. Absolutely."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1001.1,"endTime":1009.53,"body":"You know, and and and what chronic illness is, is when the stresses aren't don't let up."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1009.53,"endTime":1013.91,"body":"It's like if you don't unblock that coronary vessel, sooner or later the cells in your"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1013.91,"endTime":1015.41,"body":"heart are going to die."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1015.68,"endTime":1021.68,"body":"If you keep walking on a bad ankle and don't use crutches, you're going to keep having"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1021.68,"endTime":1025.16,"body":"pain and discomfort and you're not going to get that function back."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1025.16,"endTime":1029.24,"body":"So what chronic illness is, is chronically stressed cells."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1029.24,"endTime":1032.72,"body":"So what we're doing with drugs is we're blocking that impulse."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1032.72,"endTime":1038.15,"body":"You know, we don't we don't want our brain to hear the message of that pain and we want"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1038.15,"endTime":1043.94,"body":"to kind of hobble through and jigger, you know, those cellular functions as much as we"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1043.94,"endTime":1048.8,"body":"can with those stressed cells so we can keep on going, but we never get well."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1048.8,"endTime":1054.47,"body":"So the only way to get well from a chronic illness is to address the stress factors."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1054.47,"endTime":1059.03,"body":"When we have chronic illness, what it is, is stressed cells in the body."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1059.03,"endTime":1063.77,"body":"So if like if you have a number of symptoms, that's just chronically stressed cells."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1063.77,"endTime":1069.53,"body":"So when we look at what we're doing with drug therapy, we're basically blocking that"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1069.53,"endTime":1074.18,"body":"impulse that, you know, the the stress cells are trying to get our brain attention, our"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1074.18,"endTime":1075.71,"body":"attention. Well, we don't want to block that."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1075.71,"endTime":1077.0,"body":"We don't want to be bothered."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1077.0,"endTime":1084.41,"body":"And we kind of jigger how our our compromised cells are functioning so we can get some"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1084.41,"endTime":1088.28,"body":"function back. And that's what we do with drugs, but we don't get rid of the cellular"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1088.28,"endTime":1090.29,"body":"stress, so we never get well."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1090.29,"endTime":1095.75,"body":"It's like walking on that bad ankle, you know, it's just never going to heal itself."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1095.9,"endTime":1102.74,"body":"So it really here's the really cool thing is when you start asking the question of what"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1102.74,"endTime":1108.23,"body":"causes cellular stress there are only five categories of things."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1108.23,"endTime":1110.87,"body":"And we've already talked about some of them, right?"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1110.87,"endTime":1113.54,"body":"So cells need."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1114.31,"endTime":1117.64,"body":"Five things. There are five categories of things that can affect our cells."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1118.15,"endTime":1123.37,"body":"So one, what you eat if you're not nourishing your cells properly, they're not going to"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1123.37,"endTime":1124.75,"body":"function properly."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1124.81,"endTime":1126.4,"body":"Toxic environment."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1126.43,"endTime":1131.53,"body":"We have not only chemical toxins but radiation and all of these kinds of things in our"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1131.53,"endTime":1135.67,"body":"environment. A lot of things that weren't here a hundred years ago."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1135.67,"endTime":1141.57,"body":"Well, they are compromising cellular functions, stress, chronic stress and not sleeping"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1141.58,"endTime":1145.75,"body":"cells need some stress to get going, but they need downtime."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1145.75,"endTime":1149.89,"body":"And when they get most of their downtime is at night when we're asleep, that's when"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1149.89,"endTime":1151.57,"body":"recovery is happening."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1151.6,"endTime":1157.3,"body":"Physical activity, what we're doing when we exercise more than anything else and exercise"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1157.3,"endTime":1161.83,"body":"does a lot of good stuff, but the big thing it does is increase blood flow."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1161.83,"endTime":1168.88,"body":"And when we increase blood flow, that delivers more nutrients and pulls away more toxins"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1168.88,"endTime":1171.7,"body":"from our cells. Our cells depend on that."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1171.7,"endTime":1177.65,"body":"So but I put in that category of physical factors, also trauma and things like that, like"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1177.65,"endTime":1178.94,"body":"stress and your ankle."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1178.97,"endTime":1184.52,"body":"The fifth category, this is the big one is, is microbes."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1184.52,"endTime":1188.54,"body":"We're just exposed to thousands of microbes."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1188.54,"endTime":1192.5,"body":"I heard the other day that every time you take a breath, you breathe in a thousand"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1192.5,"endTime":1194.15,"body":"different kinds of viruses."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1194.15,"endTime":1198.74,"body":"So we have things coming at us and they're affecting our cellular functions."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1198.74,"endTime":1202.22,"body":"So microbes is one that I took a big, deep dive in."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1202.22,"endTime":1204.95,"body":"If we have time, we can talk about that some."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1204.95,"endTime":1210.89,"body":"So those five categories of things are defining illness and we have different illnesses"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1210.89,"endTime":1216.38,"body":"because those factors come together to affect different cells in our body and also"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1216.38,"endTime":1217.61,"body":"genetic factors."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1217.61,"endTime":1221.96,"body":"You know, some people are more susceptible to some stress factors than others."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1221.96,"endTime":1226.55,"body":"So we have a lot of different illnesses, but all the illnesses are different"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1226.55,"endTime":1230.72,"body":"presentations of cellular stress, of chronic cellular stress."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1230.72,"endTime":1236.78,"body":"So when you start looking at illness as stressed cells and how do we relieve that stress"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1236.78,"endTime":1242.09,"body":"to promote actual healing, wow, It's pretty powerful."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1242.09,"endTime":1249.11,"body":"Now, leaving illness and healing aside, we talk a lot about aging and longevity on this"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1249.11,"endTime":1255.53,"body":"podcast, and I'm just curious as to whether you have a definition for what aging is from"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1255.53,"endTime":1257.24,"body":"a cellular perspective."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1257.27,"endTime":1260.96,"body":"Yeah, you know, you hear about a lot of things about aging."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1260.96,"endTime":1265.91,"body":"You'll hear about zombie cells and telomere shortening and all kinds of stuff wrapped"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1265.91,"endTime":1269.0,"body":"around it, but it's all wrapped around cells."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1269.0,"endTime":1271.13,"body":"And here's what it boils down to."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1271.22,"endTime":1278.03,"body":"What aging is, is the loss of functional cells as we go through life."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1278.39,"endTime":1282.59,"body":"All right. So we accumulate cells until around age 20."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1282.62,"endTime":1287.48,"body":"Our body is in a building phase that we're growing and we're building cells, we're"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1287.48,"endTime":1291.26,"body":"creating more cells, and that stops around age 20."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1291.26,"endTime":1299.33,"body":"So at age 20, we have 5 to 10 times more cells than you really need to stay functional."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1299.57,"endTime":1302.63,"body":"That's why, you know, we're pretty cocky when we're at 20."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1302.66,"endTime":1308.36,"body":"I mean, we feel invulnerable because, yeah, we're all our cells are brand new and, and"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1308.36,"endTime":1311.84,"body":"and we've got a lot more than we need through the rest of our lives."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1311.84,"endTime":1313.88,"body":"We gradually lose cells."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1313.91,"endTime":1319.97,"body":"Now that process, loss of cells is there are other there are various factors that play"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1319.97,"endTime":1325.49,"body":"into that. But all of our cells will gradually run out of energy because they burn out"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1325.49,"endTime":1326.87,"body":"their mitochondria."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1326.87,"endTime":1332.09,"body":"Now telomere shortening and all the other things you hear about fit into that equation."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1332.09,"endTime":1338.03,"body":"But what it boils down to is we gradually lose cells and some cells we're losing more"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1338.03,"endTime":1339.47,"body":"rapidly than others."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1339.47,"endTime":1342.2,"body":"It's like we turn over skin cells all the time."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1342.2,"endTime":1347.45,"body":"We don't turn over brain cells nearly as much and we only have so many brain cells."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1347.45,"endTime":1351.41,"body":"So our brain and our heart cells, those are really 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Well, that's basically what we're doing to all the cells in our body with excess"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1496.28,"endTime":1500.96,"body":"carbohydrates. And, you know, it's just really harmful."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1501.5,"endTime":1508.67,"body":"So it it really it inhibits the autophagy process."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1508.67,"endTime":1511.61,"body":"I mean, we could just go on and on about carbohydrates."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1511.7,"endTime":1514.37,"body":"Pausing there to just to think about carbohydrates."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1514.37,"endTime":1519.53,"body":"Clearly, a lot of people are huge proponents of of keto diets these days, which are"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1519.53,"endTime":1525.47,"body":"clearly much higher in protein and fat than carbohydrate on the scale of low"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1525.47,"endTime":1528.62,"body":"carbohydrate, high carbohydrate, low protein, high protein."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1528.8,"endTime":1530.17,"body":"Where do you settle?"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1530.18,"endTime":1535.64,"body":"Where do I settle? 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So our heart burns mostly fat."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1629.99,"endTime":1632.63,"body":"No matter what you eat, it's going to burn mostly fat."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1632.63,"endTime":1636.77,"body":"Our brain, however, likes glucose."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1636.77,"endTime":1638.21,"body":"It runs a little glucose."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1638.24,"endTime":1639.74,"body":"Glucose is fast energy."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1639.74,"endTime":1642.95,"body":"The body can break it down and get lots of energy really fast."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1642.98,"endTime":1644.6,"body":"It's very reactive molecule."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1644.6,"endTime":1646.1,"body":"You don't want too much of it."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1646.1,"endTime":1652.85,"body":"So, you know, so I think having some glucose that starches and sugars, you know, however"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1652.85,"endTime":1657.41,"body":"you get them, I prefer to get them from Whole Foods like a whole fruit, a whole banana,"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1657.41,"endTime":1661.79,"body":"whatever. But I set a limit of 150g of carbohydrate."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1661.79,"endTime":1666.35,"body":"And what that does is it allows me more pleasure with my food."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1666.35,"endTime":1672.5,"body":"You go to ketogenic and it's really hard to enjoy food when you cut out all carbohydrate."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1672.5,"endTime":1673.97,"body":"It's tough to do."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1673.97,"endTime":1676.07,"body":"I've tried it over and over again."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1676.07,"endTime":1681.02,"body":"I've even tried it, a vegetarian version of it, and it's really hard."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1681.02,"endTime":1685.97,"body":"And I found if I bump my carbohydrates up to 150, I was comfortable."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1685.97,"endTime":1689.84,"body":"You know, I mean, I could eat a little bit of carbohydrate."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1689.84,"endTime":1690.92,"body":"I could eat some fruit."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1690.92,"endTime":1700.1,"body":"I could eat things that I enjoy, but not push it so much that, you know, I'm I'm then I'm"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1700.1,"endTime":1705.47,"body":"really worried about the the adverse effects of of carbohydrates."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1705.47,"endTime":1711.95,"body":"And I measure that with a test called a hemoglobin A1C, which is measuring the process of"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1711.95,"endTime":1716.48,"body":"GLYCATION or the harm that that glucose blood sugar is doing."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1716.87,"endTime":1724.54,"body":"And mine stays about 5.2, which is quite normal for or quite good for someone of age 65."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1724.55,"endTime":1728.92,"body":"Most people are sitting about six in America or worse, 5.2."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1728.93,"endTime":1730.13,"body":"That's very acceptable."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1730.13,"endTime":1732.89,"body":"And so I do that on 150g."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1733.43,"endTime":1736.46,"body":"And so and then I kind of split up my food."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1736.46,"endTime":1739.24,"body":"I eat some meat, you know, I eat some nuts."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1739.25,"endTime":1741.11,"body":"I eat a pretty good variety."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1741.11,"endTime":1744.95,"body":"But that 150 allows me to enjoy some things in life."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1744.95,"endTime":1750.2,"body":"Like I'll occasionally have a piece of pizza, as long as it doesn't break that 150 for"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1750.2,"endTime":1752.11,"body":"the day. You know, I might not."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1752.14,"endTime":1758.6,"body":"The other thing that I do is that concept of intermittent fasting that I typically narrow"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1758.6,"endTime":1761.03,"body":"my eating window down to 6 to 8 hours."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1761.03,"endTime":1764.66,"body":"So I'll typically get up and have a really low carb breakfast."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1764.66,"endTime":1769.7,"body":"Like one of my favorites is a fried egg and I take just mixed salad greens and saute them"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1769.7,"endTime":1770.93,"body":"with a little pesto."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1770.96,"endTime":1773.61,"body":"That's breakfast really low carb."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1773.61,"endTime":1780.93,"body":"I won't eat anything until lunchtime and then I'll eat all my calories between 12 and 6"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1780.93,"endTime":1788.16,"body":"and I don't eat after six and that I don't get hungry like I used to when I was younger."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1788.16,"endTime":1789.93,"body":"And my weight is good."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1789.93,"endTime":1794.46,"body":"My hemoglobin a-1c is good and life is really pleasurable."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1794.46,"endTime":1799.53,"body":"And I found this just a lot more doable and I've been able to do it consistently."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1799.53,"endTime":1805.08,"body":"Where most people find sticking to a ketogenic is just really hard."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1805.32,"endTime":1808.2,"body":"And I think it's not just sticking to a ketogenic diet."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1808.23,"endTime":1813.39,"body":"There are lots of other regimes that people find very difficult to stick to, whether it's"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1813.39,"endTime":1814.68,"body":"a fasting regime."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1814.68,"endTime":1818.94,"body":"And one thing that I've learned through doing this podcast and talking to people like"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1818.94,"endTime":1823.47,"body":"yourself is that a lot of people gravitate to the kind of regime that you're doing, and"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1823.47,"endTime":1824.64,"body":"actually I do as well."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1824.64,"endTime":1829.47,"body":"And that is time restricted eating, eating all of your food within a limited period of"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1829.47,"endTime":1832.89,"body":"time and generally not going over 5 or 6 pm."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1832.89,"endTime":1836.7,"body":"And one of the big pluses of that, of course, is that you tend to sleep much better for"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1836.73,"endTime":1842.22,"body":"that. But there is a tremendous amount of powerful research behind this idea of time"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1842.22,"endTime":1843.36,"body":"restricted eating."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1843.36,"endTime":1849.54,"body":"Yeah, you know, it's I've listened to your other podcasts and there was a gentleman that"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1849.54,"endTime":1853.92,"body":"talked about fasting and I think there's a place for fasting."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1854.1,"endTime":1860.46,"body":"It's hard to fit it into regular life, but intermittent fasting is a little bit more"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1860.46,"endTime":1866.79,"body":"comfortable. And something that came out of studying the research behind autophagy."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1866.79,"endTime":1873.3,"body":"So autophagy gets its name from self eating that, you know, if we don't eat anything,"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1873.3,"endTime":1881.01,"body":"then our cells have a survival mechanism of breaking down their parts to generate energy"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1881.01,"endTime":1884.16,"body":"and rebuild themselves, which is really great."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1884.16,"endTime":1889.77,"body":"But it turns out that they're doing that all the time anyway, and you suppress that when"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1889.77,"endTime":1891.21,"body":"you eat a high carb diet."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1891.24,"endTime":1894.12,"body":"You know, there are a lot of different things that can suppress it."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1894.12,"endTime":1896.58,"body":"Regular exercise stimulates it."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1897.03,"endTime":1899.94,"body":"So we want autophagy."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1899.94,"endTime":1903.44,"body":"It's going on at peak levels at night."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1903.45,"endTime":1906.69,"body":"It's really a big part of your autophagy."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1906.69,"endTime":1913.35,"body":"So autophagy is cellular housekeeping, the ability of cells to, you know, prune bad"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1913.35,"endTime":1917.01,"body":"proteins, DNA, etcetera, and rebuild themselves."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1917.01,"endTime":1923.22,"body":"But something that interesting came out of that work is if you are fasting for less than"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1923.22,"endTime":1930.24,"body":"16 hours, your cells aren't cannibalizing their own parts to create energy."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1930.24,"endTime":1933.69,"body":"They're basically just pruning and fixing."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1933.78,"endTime":1940.77,"body":"Once you go over 16 hours, your cells start cannibalizing their own parts just to stay"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1940.77,"endTime":1948.09,"body":"alive. So I think, you know, there are some really good parts of fasting, but I worry"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1948.09,"endTime":1949.77,"body":"about doing it too often."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1949.77,"endTime":1952.53,"body":"And I, I look, I have to ask a question."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1952.53,"endTime":1958.08,"body":"Well, is it necessary to really be healthy or get that longevity if you're fasting like"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1958.08,"endTime":1963.72,"body":"16 hours but not over and you're doing that virtually every day, that makes a lot of"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":1963.72,"endTime":1964.71,"body":"sense to me."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1992.74,"endTime":1995.47,"body":"This is the Live Long and Master Aging podcast."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1995.47,"endTime":1997.1200000000001,"body":"Our guest is Dr. Bill Rawls."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1997.1200000000001,"endTime":2000.57,"body":"His new book is The Cellular Wellness Solution."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2000.57,"endTime":2006.51,"body":"Bill. The word wellness has become commonplace in our discussions about health these"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2006.51,"endTime":2010.29,"body":"days. Some people actually prefer wellness to health care."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2010.5,"endTime":2013.18,"body":"Do words matter in these discussions?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2013.2,"endTime":2014.46,"body":"As far as you have them."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2014.73,"endTime":2021.42,"body":"You know, the health care industry uses wellness inappropriately when they're not really"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2021.45,"endTime":2024.6,"body":"able to offer true wellness."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2024.69,"endTime":2031.5,"body":"You know, I've kind of I've noticed that over the years, words matter in the sense that"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2031.5,"endTime":2034.2,"body":"it's how we communicate ideas."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2034.2,"endTime":2040.32,"body":"And so I would also say, you know, something I talked about in the book is that wellness"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2040.35,"endTime":2045.84,"body":"is relative. You know, when we talk about that 20 year old at peak cellular health,"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2045.84,"endTime":2050.16,"body":"especially if they're doing all the things that they should be doing to stay healthy,"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2050.19,"endTime":2052.5,"body":"that's probably peak wellness."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2052.6,"endTime":2059.92,"body":"So at age 65, I'm not going to get that kind of wellness again."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2060.58,"endTime":2063.61,"body":"You know, I've lost a lot of cells over the time."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2063.61,"endTime":2070.0299999999997,"body":"But the point is that at age 65 and even after having this really bad health crisis in"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2070.0299999999997,"endTime":2074.5899999999997,"body":"the middle of my life, I know I've burned a lot of cells through that period of my life,"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2075.22,"endTime":2080.32,"body":"man, I'm enjoying health that is much better than the average person."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2080.32,"endTime":2081.82,"body":"You know, I'm physically fit."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2081.82,"endTime":2084.4,"body":"I don't really have any significant symptoms."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2084.4,"endTime":2089.23,"body":"I'm doing things that I had no idea that I would be doing at this point in my life, like"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2089.23,"endTime":2091.45,"body":"kite surfing and things like that."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2092.14,"endTime":2094.06,"body":"And I feel great."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2094.21,"endTime":2098.7400000000002,"body":"My brain is working great, my cholesterol is normal, my blood pressure is normal."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2098.7400000000002,"endTime":2104.95,"body":"I mean, you know, it's just it's it's really cool to be able to have that at this point."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2105.07,"endTime":2111.55,"body":"So I would say, you know, wellness is the absence of debilitating symptoms."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2112.27,"endTime":2120.04,"body":"And it is you have to look at it from an age point of view and and and translate it to to"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2120.07,"endTime":2122.41,"body":"that extrapolate to that age."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2122.8,"endTime":2126.79,"body":"We've touched already on the issue of sleep, which is so important."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2126.79,"endTime":2131.83,"body":"In fact, I always put sleep at number one of the list of things that I need to get right"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2131.95,"endTime":2133.87,"body":"to to maximize my wellness."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2133.87,"endTime":2140.11,"body":"Clearly, diet, exercise and focused supplementation are all important, but if if sleep"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2140.11,"endTime":2142.72,"body":"isn't got right, it's going to be a bad day."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2142.72,"endTime":2144.37,"body":"It's generally going to be a bad day."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2144.37,"endTime":2148.42,"body":"If I only have 4 or 5 or six hours of sleep."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2148.42,"endTime":2152.5,"body":"And you write in your book about melatonin, which is probably the most popular"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2152.5,"endTime":2157.9,"body":"supplementation to help people with their sleep, It's also quite misunderstood, isn't it,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2157.9,"endTime":2160.56,"body":"in terms of how it helps us, Right."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2160.57,"endTime":2164.71,"body":"You know, low doses of melatonin, I think are okay every now and then."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2164.71,"endTime":2169.75,"body":"But the best sleep is natural sleep."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2169.75,"endTime":2173.26,"body":"You know, we we for years because sleep is such an issue."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2173.29,"endTime":2178.72,"body":"We try to manipulate sleep with drugs and supplements and all kinds of other things to"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2178.72,"endTime":2180.97,"body":"force the body into sleep."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2180.97,"endTime":2187.9900000000002,"body":"And we and we try you know, all of the drugs are just hitting one particular pathway in"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2187.9900000000002,"endTime":2195.13,"body":"the brain. And I'd like to think of sleep as a state in which, you know, during the"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2195.13,"endTime":2202.51,"body":"daytime we have a flow of hormones that are stimulating and keep us awake."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2202.51,"endTime":2204.55,"body":"And that's led by cortisol."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2204.55,"endTime":2208.06,"body":"And in the later in the day, cortisol starts to go down."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2208.06,"endTime":2210.97,"body":"Well, it's like the tide coming in and out."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2210.97,"endTime":2217.0,"body":"So as we move toward the evening hours in the daylight or, you know, we're becoming more"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2217.0,"endTime":2224.2,"body":"restful, lights are going are getting lower, we secrete melatonin and that initiates this"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2224.2,"endTime":2225.43,"body":"other tide."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2225.43,"endTime":2231.64,"body":"So you have the stimulating hormones flowing out and the the the calming hormones flowing"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2231.64,"endTime":2233.53,"body":"in to that sleep state."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2233.53,"endTime":2237.25,"body":"And that starts reversing in the early hours of the morning."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2237.4900000000002,"endTime":2243.97,"body":"So to try to hit it with one thing, you know, one drug or whatever, it just doesn't work"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2243.97,"endTime":2249.73,"body":"that well. So there are herbs out there that we use that can that are mildly sedative."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2249.76,"endTime":2254.62,"body":"There are certainly drugs that people use to the drugs are elephant guns."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2254.62,"endTime":2256.93,"body":"The herbs are more like flyswatters."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2256.93,"endTime":2260.88,"body":"You know, you're just it's just not going to be nearly as intense."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2260.89,"endTime":2265.3,"body":"People, you know, everybody wants to be able to take that one thing that gives them eight"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2265.3,"endTime":2266.77,"body":"hours of perfect sleep."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2266.77,"endTime":2272.29,"body":"Then with no habituation and no side effects and it just doesn't exist."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2272.92,"endTime":2279.43,"body":"The thing that helped my sleep the very best and it was years to get it back was, you"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2279.43,"endTime":2282.34,"body":"know, good health habits, taking care of my cells."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2282.52,"endTime":2287.53,"body":"And interestingly, the herbs that I was taking just to restore my general health, the"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2287.53,"endTime":2292.33,"body":"ones that I was taking that I thought was treating Lyme disease, that's what got me."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2292.38,"endTime":2298.95,"body":"I sleep back and I realized what they were doing was they were restoring my cellular"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2298.95,"endTime":2301.46,"body":"health and everything was working better."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2301.47,"endTime":2305.79,"body":"So there's another thing about thinking about that cellular model."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2305.79,"endTime":2311.37,"body":"We all hear about hormones and how we can tweak our hormones and nobody asks, Well, what"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2311.37,"endTime":2313.38,"body":"are the hormones actually doing?"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2313.38,"endTime":2318.51,"body":"What hormones are doing is cells talking to other cells."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2318.51,"endTime":2320.64,"body":"So we're a unit made of cells."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2320.64,"endTime":2326.01,"body":"And to coordinate all those functions, all the cells in our body have to talk to one"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2326.01,"endTime":2331.5,"body":"another. And we have the brain that basically through our five senses, senses everything"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2331.5,"endTime":2333.33,"body":"that's going on around us."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2333.33,"endTime":2338.79,"body":"And as sending messages to our cells through nerves and hormones to modify cellular"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2338.79,"endTime":2344.76,"body":"functions to meet those those needs that we have as we're going about our day or going"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2344.76,"endTime":2345.9900000000002,"body":"about our evening."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2346.35,"endTime":2351.81,"body":"So they're just, you know, they're literally thousands and thousands of chemical"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2351.81,"endTime":2353.53,"body":"messengers in the body."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2353.53,"endTime":2358.63,"body":"And what they're all doing is cellular communication coordinating functions."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2358.63,"endTime":2365.5,"body":"So if we're chronically ill or out of whack or chronically stressed or not sleeping, it's"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2365.5,"endTime":2368.38,"body":"because those communications are disrupted."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2368.41,"endTime":2373.72,"body":"So the interesting thing is, you know, you have lots of different kinds of doctors trying"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2373.72,"endTime":2379.87,"body":"to to tweak hormones, get hormone levels and let's tweak the hormones and an anti-aging,"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2379.87,"endTime":2383.02,"body":"let's give growth hormone, let's go all these hormones."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2383.02,"endTime":2389.98,"body":"And what I would say to that is if your hormones are disrupted or low, it's because"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2389.98,"endTime":2395.56,"body":"you're doing things that have disrupted cellular functions or you have affected the cells"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2395.56,"endTime":2397.75,"body":"that are producing those hormones."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2397.75,"endTime":2406.42,"body":"So what I've found is when you enhance cellular wellness, when cells are well, when cells"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2406.42,"endTime":2413.11,"body":"are working at their peak performance, all of those hormones will self balance your body"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2413.11,"endTime":2414.63,"body":"will self regulate."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2414.64,"endTime":2418.27,"body":"So taking care of your cells should be the first step."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2418.27,"endTime":2422.71,"body":"And whether you're talking about anti-aging, recovering from an illness, it doesn't"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2422.71,"endTime":2425.53,"body":"matter. It's just so vitally important."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2425.86,"endTime":2430.66,"body":"Now, one of the big problems for so many people is accepting what you say."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2430.66,"endTime":2435.34,"body":"Reading a book like this, which is packed full of information, suggestions about"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2435.34,"endTime":2439.51,"body":"different herbs that we can take to benefit us in certain ways."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2439.51,"endTime":2442.38,"body":"The key problem for most people is where on earth do I start?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2442.39,"endTime":2446.5,"body":"You can acknowledge that you have issues that you need to address and that you can"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2446.5,"endTime":2452.5,"body":"address those issues with dietary changes, with exercise changes by using certain herbal"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2452.5,"endTime":2454.78,"body":"supplements. But where to start?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2454.78,"endTime":2459.88,"body":"And for most, I imagine this huge spreadsheet listing all of the reasons why we want to"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2459.88,"endTime":2464.02,"body":"change. And then on the other side, all the potential ways in which we could change and"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2464.02,"endTime":2467.71,"body":"what we could use. And then perhaps a line on the bottom that says, well, these are going"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2467.71,"endTime":2469.87,"body":"to cost you money, what can you actually afford?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2469.87,"endTime":2475.18,"body":"So what is your advice to people in terms of what practically they can do?"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2475.36,"endTime":2478.03,"body":"Well, that's you know, that's a big reason why I bought the book."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2478.06,"endTime":2481.3,"body":"And the book is truly four books in one."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2481.3,"endTime":2486.04,"body":"So the first book is that concept of cellular wellness and just thinking about it."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2486.07,"endTime":2492.97,"body":"The second book is really understanding herbs differently from a cellular wellness point"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2492.97,"endTime":2498.67,"body":"of view. So when we take an herb, the chemist, we're taking the protective chemistry of"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2498.67,"endTime":2503.92,"body":"the plant. So plants are cellular organisms just like we are, and they're producing these"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2503.92,"endTime":2509.98,"body":"robust spectrums of chemicals to protect their cells from free radicals and radiation and"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2509.98,"endTime":2514.0,"body":"toxic substances and every variety of microbe known."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2514.0,"endTime":2518.29,"body":"So all plants, all herbs have antimicrobial properties."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2518.29,"endTime":2525.94,"body":"And that's a big deal because that's a big factor in in chronic illness and longevity and"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2525.94,"endTime":2530.11,"body":"everything else. You know, we we probably aren't going to have time to get into that"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2530.11,"endTime":2534.22,"body":"micro factor, but that's that's a huge part of what the herbs are doing."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2534.22,"endTime":2541.48,"body":"So when you know some there's a wide spectrum of herbs at one end you have herbs that do"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2541.48,"endTime":2546.97,"body":"have drug like properties, but at the other end you have herbs that are mainly"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2546.97,"endTime":2552.31,"body":"protective, they're cellular protectants, they're restorative, so they're actually"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2552.31,"endTime":2554.02,"body":"enhancing healing."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2554.02,"endTime":2560.11,"body":"And so when so what I was what happened to me, you know, I was taking all these herbs."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2560.11,"endTime":2562.93,"body":"I thought I was just killing a microbe."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2562.93,"endTime":2567.94,"body":"But what they were doing is balancing all of the microbes in my body, including the ones"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2567.94,"endTime":2572.65,"body":"that we've actually found that we have in our tissue and our tissues and our brain and"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2572.65,"endTime":2577.93,"body":"our heart. It was balancing those microbes, promoting autophagy."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2577.93,"endTime":2583.0,"body":"They're very good studies that's showing showing that herbs promote autophagy, and they"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2583.0,"endTime":2587.59,"body":"do that by protecting cells of the body from all of these stress factors."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2587.59,"endTime":2592.2400000000002,"body":"So when you take an herb, you can think of it as an intense cell protectant."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2592.32,"endTime":2599.22,"body":"Which whatever you're doing, whether it's diet or anything else, you're going to get an"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2599.22,"endTime":2603.81,"body":"exponentially increased benefit from that herb."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2603.84,"endTime":2608.19,"body":"You know, there's just really nothing quite like it on earth that's going to give you"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2608.19,"endTime":2614.55,"body":"that benefit. So the second book is really helping the average person look at that"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2614.55,"endTime":2618.84,"body":"concept of taking herbs, which really looks kind of scary when you look at all the"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2618.84,"endTime":2621.16,"body":"traditional herbal medicine and all of that."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2621.18,"endTime":2626.76,"body":"It's not everything can be simplified when you bring everything down to the cellular"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2626.76,"endTime":2631.44,"body":"level. Absolutely everything is simplified, including herbs and which ones you should"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2631.44,"endTime":2633.31,"body":"use. So that's book two."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2633.33,"endTime":2639.84,"body":"Book three is just guidelines about diet and environment and lifestyle and getting better"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2639.84,"endTime":2646.68,"body":"sleep.And then book four is part Part four of the book is just about applying those to"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2646.68,"endTime":2652.53,"body":"different kinds of problems like brain and dementia and and those kinds of things which"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2652.63,"endTime":2654.43,"body":"which I think is really important."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2654.43,"endTime":2658.6,"body":"But, you know, the herbs are such a big part of the whole thing."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2658.63,"endTime":2661.36,"body":"There are a lot of companies out there that make herbs."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2661.6,"endTime":2669.46,"body":"My biggest disappointment is that so many companies are shortcutting the quality of the"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2669.46,"endTime":2670.72,"body":"herb and the intensity."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2670.75,"endTime":2677.89,"body":"You know, what you're buying is quantity of phytochemicals, the plant, chemicals and what"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2677.89,"endTime":2682.09,"body":"what for most products, you're getting a lot of marketing hype and not much plant"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2682.09,"endTime":2687.4900000000002,"body":"chemistry. And so, you know, one of the things that I did in my practice when I was"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2687.4900000000002,"endTime":2692.47,"body":"struggling with this with patients, I was trying to recommend herbs and recommend"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2692.47,"endTime":2700.78,"body":"products, and I ended up creating my own products to my specifications that really have"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2700.78,"endTime":2706.45,"body":"like 5 to 10 times the concentration of these chemicals and just making that whole"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2706.45,"endTime":2708.16,"body":"process easier."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2708.58,"endTime":2711.94,"body":"But, you know, there are other companies out there that do that, too."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2711.94,"endTime":2718.68,"body":"But it's as if you take the right concentrations, man, It can totally change your life"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2718.68,"endTime":2720.42,"body":"for sure. It did mine."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2720.69,"endTime":2725.46,"body":"And I think one of the points to make here is least this is what I believe is that you"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2725.46,"endTime":2731.22,"body":"shouldn't be overwhelmed by the the task ahead and the amount of information that's"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2731.22,"endTime":2734.19,"body":"there. And you've written these very detailed books."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2734.19,"endTime":2736.89,"body":"There's information, there is reliable information."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2736.89,"endTime":2739.35,"body":"But we do have to be self-motivated, don't we?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2739.35,"endTime":2741.75,"body":"Because no one is going to do this for us."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2741.78,"endTime":2747.7,"body":"Ultimately, we have to take the decision ourselves that we want to to change, or at least"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2747.7,"endTime":2750.12,"body":"to adopt a different lifestyle."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2750.12,"endTime":2754.01,"body":"You've got to do the research and then apply what is best for you."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2754.71,"endTime":2757.05,"body":"Yep. You know, I think that's a very important message."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2757.05,"endTime":2761.7,"body":"It's it's all about personal accountability."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2761.73,"endTime":2764.55,"body":"You know, when when we lose our health."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2764.55,"endTime":2766.65,"body":"And this was true with me, too."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2766.68,"endTime":2772.98,"body":"You know, what you want is to go to someone else, a doctor or whoever, and say, hey, I'm"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2772.98,"endTime":2779.2,"body":"in bad shape. Fix me, you know, plug me in to whatever, give me a dose of whatever and"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2779.2,"endTime":2780.94,"body":"get me back to where I want to be."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2780.94,"endTime":2789.4,"body":"And what I found is the health care system really has very little capacity to actually do"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2789.4,"endTime":2791.41,"body":"the healing for you."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2792.13,"endTime":2797.7400000000002,"body":"And I recognize that as a physician, I knew no matter how good my drug choices or how"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2797.7400000000002,"endTime":2803.38,"body":"precise my surgical skills, if the patient's body had lost the ability to heal itself,"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2803.38,"endTime":2805.27,"body":"things weren't going to go well."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2805.27,"endTime":2807.31,"body":"So healing comes from inside."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2807.31,"endTime":2810.52,"body":"So it healing is our responsibility."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2810.52,"endTime":2816.07,"body":"And, you know, it is about what we eat and choices that we make."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2816.61,"endTime":2819.82,"body":"Herbs make the whole process much easier."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2819.82,"endTime":2823.0,"body":"But yeah, that's what it's all about."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2823.0,"endTime":2829.69,"body":"And if you want to live long and live well, you have to do some basic things."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2830.11,"endTime":2833.53,"body":"Wow. The trade off isn't so bad though, you know?"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2833.53,"endTime":2836.42,"body":"I mean, yeah, I add vegetables in my diet."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2836.45,"endTime":2841.61,"body":"Mean yeah I don't eat tons of carbs and I cut my eating window and I'm picky about my"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2841.61,"endTime":2848.03,"body":"sleep. I'm going to take a bunch of capsules every morning and but hey, I'm 65 and just"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2848.03,"endTime":2849.47,"body":"living a great life."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2849.47,"endTime":2854.39,"body":"And you've almost, I think, just answered what was going to be my final question, which is"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2854.39,"endTime":2856.94,"body":"talking about longevity as we do on this podcast."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2856.94,"endTime":2858.95,"body":"It's about looking to the future."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2858.95,"endTime":2863.54,"body":"And I just wonder what your own vision about your future is."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2863.54,"endTime":2869.3,"body":"Do you do you dwell on what life is going to be like in ten, 20, 30, 40 years time?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2869.3,"endTime":2875.45,"body":"Who knows? And if you do think about that seriously, how do you apply the knowledge that"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2875.45,"endTime":2880.88,"body":"you have to how you live every day now to try to achieve that longevity?"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2880.88,"endTime":2883.64,"body":"Yeah, yeah, I'm very realistic."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2883.64,"endTime":2887.87,"body":"And, you know, I, follow all the science."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2887.87,"endTime":2891.53,"body":"I look at all the anti-aging drugs and all the things that they're."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2891.64,"endTime":2898.0,"body":"Doing. And quite frankly, when I look at it from a cellular wellness model, I see flaws"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2898.03,"endTime":2899.62,"body":"in virtually all of them."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2899.62,"endTime":2902.02,"body":"And but I'm realistic."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2902.05,"endTime":2908.11,"body":"You know, looking at that cellular model, I burn a lot of cells between my 30s and 50s,"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2908.11,"endTime":2912.43,"body":"and I'm probably not going to make it to 100 years old."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2912.55,"endTime":2913.63,"body":"That's okay."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2914.17,"endTime":2918.4900000000002,"body":"But I intend to live well without symptoms."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2918.4900000000002,"endTime":2922.09,"body":"Being able to enjoy my life as long as I live."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2922.09,"endTime":2925.96,"body":"And I hope to be able to make it to 80, 90, maybe beyond."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2925.96,"endTime":2930.16,"body":"But I don't want to go beyond that if I'm not living well."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2930.16,"endTime":2936.76,"body":"And and the message that I would have is, you know, I did some things that weren't smart"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2936.76,"endTime":2942.34,"body":"retrospectively that I would probably change in my through through, you know, a large"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2942.34,"endTime":2943.75,"body":"portion of my life."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2943.75,"endTime":2946.12,"body":"But I stopped doing that."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2946.12,"endTime":2950.77,"body":"And just what I got back was extraordinary."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2950.77,"endTime":2958.25,"body":"So no matter how what your cell count is in your body, if you're taking care of those"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2958.25,"endTime":2964.19,"body":"cells, you are going to live at a higher level of health than most people have the"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2964.19,"endTime":2965.72,"body":"capacity to live."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2965.75,"endTime":2967.58,"body":"It is as simple as that."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2967.58,"endTime":2972.98,"body":"And yes, there are probably going to be all kinds of technologies and potential miracles"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2972.98,"endTime":2974.06,"body":"coming down the pike."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2974.06,"endTime":2980.09,"body":"But again, I think a lot of those things are flawed and the things that can matter so"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2980.09,"endTime":2985.52,"body":"much, you know what we eat, how much time we take to sleep and taking herbs every day and"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2985.52,"endTime":2992.72,"body":"just getting out and walking every day, those things will matter more than any longevity"},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":2992.75,"endTime":2996.26,"body":"drug they ever will come up with, period."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2997.07,"endTime":3000.85,"body":"I think that's a great message and I wish you all the best."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":3000.85,"endTime":3004.15,"body":"With the decades ahead, and especially this book."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":3004.18,"endTime":3005.71,"body":"It is it is a great read."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":3005.71,"endTime":3007.75,"body":"It is a deep read, as I say."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":3007.75,"endTime":3010.44,"body":"But there's some really valuable information in there."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":3010.45,"endTime":3012.19,"body":"Dr. Bill Rawls, thank you very much."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":3012.45,"endTime":3014.28,"body":"Well, thank you so much for having me."},{"speaker":"Bill Rawls","startTime":3014.28,"endTime":3015.39,"body":"It's such a pleasure."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":3015.72,"endTime":3019.41,"body":"And Dr. Rawls book is The Cellular Wellness Solution."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":3019.41,"endTime":3024.27,"body":"Tap into Your full health Potential with the science backed power of herbs."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":3024.27,"endTime":3027.0,"body":"There's a link to it in the show notes for this episode."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":3027.0,"endTime":3031.47,"body":"You'll also find there a transcript of this conversation, and I hope you find it useful."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":3031.47,"endTime":3032.85,"body":"Thanks so much for listening."}]}