{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":0.0,"endTime":4.11,"body":"H`ello again. Welcome to the Live Long and Master Aging podcast."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":4.11,"endTime":5.25,"body":"I'm Peter Bowes."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":5.28,"endTime":8.85,"body":"We're going to start this episode with some questions."},{"speaker":"JellyfishDAO","startTime":9.33,"endTime":10.5,"body":"What if we could go on?"},{"speaker":"JellyfishDAO","startTime":11.19,"endTime":13.08,"body":"Hold the light a little longer."},{"speaker":"JellyfishDAO","startTime":14.73,"endTime":17.73,"body":"What if your parents could grow healthier and stay?"},{"speaker":"JellyfishDAO","startTime":20.43,"endTime":25.2,"body":"What if all the knowledge and potential you'd gained over your life wasn't simply lost?"},{"speaker":"JellyfishDAO","startTime":27.93,"endTime":32.14,"body":"At JellyfishDAO were envisioning a future without the suffering and negative effects of"},{"speaker":"JellyfishDAO","startTime":32.14,"endTime":32.77,"body":"aging."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":33.88,"endTime":40.06,"body":"JellyfishDAO is a community of filmmakers, life extension professionals and blockchain"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":40.06,"endTime":45.64,"body":"experts who are working together to tell the stories of human longevity and life"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":45.64,"endTime":49.12,"body":"extension through movies and other media."},{"speaker":"JellyfishDAO","startTime":49.45,"endTime":53.7,"body":"Greater public acceptance would move the science faster and ultimately more quickly reduce"},{"speaker":"JellyfishDAO","startTime":53.7,"endTime":55.35,"body":"suffering and save more lives."},{"speaker":"JellyfishDAO","startTime":55.92,"endTime":58.62,"body":"Movies and stories are extremely powerful."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":59.16,"endTime":61.2,"body":"Greater public acceptance."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":61.2,"endTime":63.87,"body":"So how can it be achieved?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":63.9,"endTime":66.48,"body":"I'm joined by two members of the jellyfish community."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":66.51,"endTime":72.21,"body":"Daniel Sollinger is a Los Angeles based filmmaker and longtime producer of commercials,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":72.21,"endTime":74.88,"body":"music videos, and short films."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":74.91,"endTime":75.66,"body":"Hi, Daniel."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":75.87,"endTime":76.83,"body":"Hello. How are you doing?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":77.17,"endTime":83.8,"body":"Keith Comito is a computer programmer and mathematician and president of the nonprofit"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":83.8,"endTime":90.49,"body":"organization lifespan.io, a group which, amongst other things, funds aging research and"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":90.49,"endTime":96.31,"body":"promotes the medical technologies that could benefit healthy human longevity."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":96.31,"endTime":97.24,"body":"Keith, welcome."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":97.69,"endTime":99.16,"body":"Thank you. Great to be here."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":99.25,"endTime":100.75,"body":"Great to talk to you both."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":100.75,"endTime":102.68,"body":"Daniel. Maybe we could start with you."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":102.68,"endTime":108.62,"body":"And perhaps you could give me a more fulsome description of what Jellyfish DAO is."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":108.65,"endTime":113.24,"body":"And that's JellyfishDAO starting with a reason for the name."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":113.24,"endTime":117.17,"body":"And perhaps just a little explanation behind the theory there."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":117.38,"endTime":120.77,"body":"Oh. Sure thing. So, jellyfish DAO."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":120.8,"endTime":124.76,"body":"Dow stands for Decentralized Autonomous Organization."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":124.76,"endTime":130.3,"body":"And it's a way of doing things that have been birthed by cryptocurrency."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":130.3,"endTime":137.59,"body":"And, it enables things like crowdfunding, incentivizing people to participate in"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":137.59,"endTime":139.39,"body":"different projects and things."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":139.39,"endTime":147.34,"body":"And, so we, we, we set up a decentralized autonomous organization with, a group of"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":147.34,"endTime":154.05,"body":"filmmakers, life extension experts and blockchain experts, and the three teams"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":154.05,"endTime":162.48,"body":"collaborate together, with the goal of funding films and media about life extension,"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":162.66,"endTime":165.0,"body":"about, healthspan."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":165.72,"endTime":172.23,"body":"and that give it a positive view, a positive take on, what's, you know, the technologies"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":172.23,"endTime":178.8,"body":"that are that are coming very fast and, because Hollywood has a lot of dystopian visions"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":178.8,"endTime":179.85,"body":"of the future."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":180.12,"endTime":186.57,"body":"we are, we are we are set to set an agenda and inspire scientists and and creators and"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":186.57,"endTime":191.58,"body":"people to look at the technologies coming as a, as a blessing and as something to there"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":191.58,"endTime":193.65,"body":"will be a benefit to humanity."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":194.19,"endTime":199.34,"body":"I think the area of this, Keith, that some people watching listening to this might be a"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":199.34,"endTime":205.22,"body":"little, maybe not fully understanding the involvement of and that is the blockchain"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":205.22,"endTime":209.75,"body":"experts. I think we can understand medical experts, scientists, researchers, life"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":209.75,"endTime":215.87,"body":"extension aficionados, but blockchain experts, can you kind of join the dots for me?"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":215.87,"endTime":216.98,"body":"Sure, absolutely."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":216.98,"endTime":221.21,"body":"And I can lead into that by sort of just getting into the double entendre of the name"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":221.21,"endTime":225.49,"body":"jellyfish DAO, in addition to the decentralized autonomous organization part."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":225.79,"endTime":230.92,"body":"As some of your audience might know, there are certain kinds of jellyfish hydras that are"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":230.92,"endTime":232.54,"body":"essentially immortal."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":232.75,"endTime":236.56,"body":"It's not quite so clean as that, but so there's a little bit of a pun in the name there."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":236.56,"endTime":240.64,"body":"And then for the second part of the double entendre, which goes into your question, is"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":240.64,"endTime":244.99,"body":"this idea of kind of spreading out and involve, you know, through the tentacles of the"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":244.99,"endTime":250.83,"body":"jellyfish, etc., engaging all aspects of the crowd to essentially do a form of"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":250.83,"endTime":252.03,"body":"decentralized science."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":252.03,"endTime":257.31,"body":"But in terms of not just the research here, but in funding the projects that are going to"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":257.37,"endTime":259.83,"body":"support the science through by building narratives."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":259.83,"endTime":265.35,"body":"So as an example, what Daniel was alluding to earlier through mechanics, like having a"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":265.35,"endTime":271.46,"body":"DAO where community members have a token right, they can use that token to vote on"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":271.46,"endTime":275.9,"body":"specific things. So let's say we have a movie that's coming out and we might say, hey,"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":275.9,"endTime":278.78,"body":"you know, we have these three actors that could be in this role."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":278.78,"endTime":280.22,"body":"What do you all think?"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":280.22,"endTime":284.42,"body":"You know? And you can vote with your tokens, you know, and sort of involve the community"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":284.42,"endTime":285.92,"body":"in the process."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":285.92,"endTime":288.98,"body":"And that can extend to scientific aspects or creative aspects."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":288.98,"endTime":292.73,"body":"And this is one of the things that blockchain technology can sort of lean into, because"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":292.73,"endTime":297.63,"body":"you can sort of clearly see these votes and track the results and know that everything is"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":297.63,"endTime":298.95,"body":"sort of like immutable."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":298.95,"endTime":300.6,"body":"You know, it's one of the buzzwords of blockchain."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":300.6,"endTime":306.0,"body":"So you really know the story of what's happening, everything can be verified, etc.."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":306.0,"endTime":308.34,"body":"So that's kind of where the blockchain technology comes in."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":308.37,"endTime":313.23,"body":"Is this sort of cleaner way to really do sort of wisdom of the crowd?"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":313.41,"endTime":315.33,"body":"Crowd based initiatives."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":315.33,"endTime":316.08,"body":"That makes sense?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":316.23,"endTime":317.79,"body":"Yeah, it does makes a lot of sense."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":317.79,"endTime":321.79,"body":"And it's really interesting. Daniel, at the heart of this, which I've kind of alluded to"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":321.79,"endTime":327.37,"body":"already, is storytelling and telling those stories that resonate with people."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":327.37,"endTime":331.12,"body":"I'm going to get you both just to tell me a little bit about yourselves individually."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":331.21,"endTime":334.18,"body":"Daniel, you've had a lifetime of telling stories, haven't you?"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":334.18,"endTime":339.85,"body":"I have I I'm, I just thought, I'm just hitting my 40 year mark as a filmmaker."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":339.85,"endTime":342.99,"body":"I started, making short films in high schools."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":343.38,"endTime":348.51,"body":"I've made a 70 feature films over the last 40 years, and all the commercials and music"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":348.51,"endTime":350.91,"body":"videos and short films that you mentioned."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":350.91,"endTime":352.95,"body":"And, I love telling stories."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":352.95,"endTime":354.78,"body":"I love working with storytellers."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":354.78,"endTime":361.68,"body":"I think storytelling, is such an important part of, for lack of a better word, agenda"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":361.68,"endTime":365.22,"body":"setting. You know, that that, you know, any advertiser that's trying to sell you a"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":365.22,"endTime":367.16,"body":"product are going to use storytelling."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":367.16,"endTime":372.65,"body":"Any politician that's trying to get you to persuade you to to vote with them is going to"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":372.65,"endTime":374.6,"body":"be used storytelling techniques."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":374.6,"endTime":379.79,"body":"And my goal is to to take these storytelling techniques, we have a very highly"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":379.79,"endTime":383.87,"body":"accomplished set of filmmakers that are part of the style and have had many successful"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":383.87,"endTime":389.39,"body":"movies. And what we try to we want to take those skills and those abilities to inspire"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":389.39,"endTime":393.52,"body":"the general public, to inform and inspire the general public about life extension,"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":393.52,"endTime":395.23,"body":"longevity. Healthspan."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":395.77,"endTime":402.79,"body":"and once you have a story that you can tell, then you can move public opinion or"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":402.79,"endTime":404.5,"body":"resources or what have you."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":404.5,"endTime":410.77,"body":"So, let's say, you know, with the documentary Super Size Me, that really changed the"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":410.77,"endTime":412.21,"body":"whole face of fast food."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":412.21,"endTime":417.31,"body":"You know, you know, there's narrative stories about climate change that have moved the"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":417.31,"endTime":422.95,"body":"needle and, you know, you know, asteroids coming from space or whatever, you know, like,"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":422.95,"endTime":427.21,"body":"like before, before these movies came out, there was not much public awareness about it."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":427.21,"endTime":431.44,"body":"And now, you know, as these movies come out, you know, when movies come out and are able"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":431.44,"endTime":436.69,"body":"to tell a story that the audience can understand and get emotionally engaged in, then"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":436.69,"endTime":441.66,"body":"then their interest is is piqued and they extend out from there hopefully and get more"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":441.66,"endTime":442.38,"body":"involved."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":442.38,"endTime":446.49,"body":"And Keith, from your perspective, obviously not so much of a storyteller in terms of your"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":446.49,"endTime":450.42,"body":"career, but what fuels your enthusiasm for this?"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":450.45,"endTime":455.88,"body":"Sure. I mean, I would like to think that anybody who lives long enough and is, is thinking"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":455.88,"endTime":460.71,"body":"deeply about these matters would come to the natural conclusion that working against like"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":460.71,"endTime":464.27,"body":"horrific diseases, like Alzheimer's disease and cancer is a good thing, right?"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":464.3,"endTime":468.14,"body":"That being said, I can't deny that I probably had some personal life experiences that"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":468.14,"endTime":470.45,"body":"leaned me in that direction earlier."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":470.45,"endTime":474.53,"body":"So without getting into too much information, when I was very, very young, I had close"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":474.53,"endTime":476.06,"body":"family members perish."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":476.42,"endTime":480.47,"body":"and I guess you could say that got me thinking about frailty and mortality at a very"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":480.47,"endTime":485.78,"body":"early age. And then when I was in my mid-twenties, my grandmother had had sort of the"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":485.78,"endTime":486.95,"body":"worst version of Alzheimer's."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":486.95,"endTime":492.55,"body":"You can get like, very, very serious and then like protracted in the worst state for like"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":492.55,"endTime":493.66,"body":"almost a decade."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":493.66,"endTime":497.11,"body":"And that really sort of clinched it for me that even if, you know, in a philosophical"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":497.11,"endTime":501.22,"body":"way, there's some that can justify a place for death in the grand scheme of life, etc."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":501.22,"endTime":505.69,"body":"even if you kind of have that view, that experience sort of really clinched it for me,"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":505.69,"endTime":511.57,"body":"that there's no place for like these sorts of diseases in, in a moral society that has"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":511.57,"endTime":513.73,"body":"the ability to, to fight them."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":513.82,"endTime":517.51,"body":"Just to dovetail into the other part of the question, I actually do have a bit of of the"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":517.51,"endTime":521.86,"body":"storyteller aspect in, in the career as well, because one of the first things that we did"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":521.86,"endTime":527.32,"body":"at Lifespan.io when when we co-founded in 2014 is engaged sort of like internet"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":527.32,"endTime":529.87,"body":"celebrities, etc., to do content."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":529.87,"endTime":533.32,"body":"So I'm not sure if your audience knows the channel kurzgesagt, which is like a great"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":533.32,"endTime":538.41,"body":"animation channel, but I think in 2017 I helped to write the script for these two videos"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":538.41,"endTime":542.7,"body":"on aging that, you know, got like 10 million views each or something like that."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":542.7,"endTime":546.9,"body":"And I think that really sort of helped to catalyze a shift in the perception of the field"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":546.9,"endTime":552.78,"body":"because, moreover, than just the views, the like to dislike ratio was extraordinarily"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":552.78,"endTime":556.71,"body":"high. And I think that sort of unlocked it in a lot of people's minds, like, oh wait, we"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":556.71,"endTime":561.63,"body":"actually can't like the public is actually there for this if we can speak about it in a"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":561.63,"endTime":565.71,"body":"logical way. And then we built off that in lifespan by having a we have our own YouTube"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":565.71,"endTime":568.29,"body":"channel, Life Noggin, with over 3 million subscribers."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":568.29,"endTime":570.33,"body":"We've worked with Chris Hemsworth and people like that."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":570.33,"endTime":576.63,"body":"So I very much second Daniel's opinion that in any significant movement throughout"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":576.63,"endTime":580.05,"body":"history, there's always a parallel artistic movement that drives it."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":580.05,"endTime":581.79,"body":"And I think that's what we're trying to support."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":619.6199999999999,"endTime":625.69,"body":"I think that's very interesting how you're using the public feedback to fuel your"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":625.69,"endTime":631.48,"body":"enthusiasm for this, and perhaps indicate to you which direction you need to be moving"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":631.48,"endTime":636.4300000000001,"body":"forward, because clearly there's there's media all around us."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":636.4300000000001,"endTime":640.78,"body":"There's social media, there's traditional media, there's television, radio, there's"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":640.78,"endTime":646.3499999999999,"body":"movies. But getting that really sort of very specific feedback of the kind that we can"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":646.3499999999999,"endTime":651.6300000000001,"body":"only really get through the data that we can see today is crucially important, isn't it?"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":651.6300000000001,"endTime":656.01,"body":"I would say, you know, I think this is what's so great about the blockchain is that, you"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":656.01,"endTime":660.4200000000001,"body":"know, there's it's another level up from just fans."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":660.4200000000001,"endTime":666.1199999999999,"body":"You know, fans will like, you know, go and watch movies or, you know, buy memorabilia or"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":666.1199999999999,"endTime":669.45,"body":"swag, you know, for their favorite actors or films or whatever."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":669.45,"endTime":678.03,"body":"But the blockchain really enables the community to not just be a passive, be passive in"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":678.03,"endTime":679.5,"body":"the media making process."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":679.5,"endTime":683.8800000000001,"body":"But, but, but to be active, to vote, let's say, oh, there's this great science fiction"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":683.8800000000001,"endTime":689.79,"body":"novel we want as a DAO to use our treasury to option, you know, the whole group can get"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":689.79,"endTime":691.3800000000001,"body":"involved, and then they're invested in it."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":691.3800000000001,"endTime":692.49,"body":"They're invested in it."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":692.49,"endTime":695.73,"body":"At the time you make that decision, they're invested in every step of the way."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":695.73,"endTime":701.3699999999999,"body":"So then when it comes out, there's there's a whole army of people, supporting it rather"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":701.3699999999999,"endTime":706.3800000000001,"body":"than just the filmmakers out there trying to convince the general public to to be"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":706.3800000000001,"endTime":713.6099999999999,"body":"supportive. I don't think you'll find, communities any more enthusiastic than crypto"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":713.6099999999999,"endTime":716.3699999999999,"body":"communities around their particular projects."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":716.3699999999999,"endTime":721.78,"body":"I mean, the level of enthusiasm and engagement and involvement is so much higher than any"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":721.78,"endTime":723.8499999999999,"body":"other place that I experience."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":724.3299999999999,"endTime":729.8499999999999,"body":"And Keith, you mentioned your early life experiences that might have may well have clearly"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":729.8499999999999,"endTime":734.8900000000001,"body":"have influenced your your train of thought and your enthusiasm for this area."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":735.0699999999999,"endTime":741.6400000000001,"body":"It often interests me trying to identify at what point in life people actually become"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":741.6400000000001,"endTime":748.3499999999999,"body":"aware of their own potential lifespan, or healthspan to to a point that they think about"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":748.3499999999999,"endTime":752.6700000000001,"body":"doing something that is going to influence how long they will live."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":752.6700000000001,"endTime":759.0899999999999,"body":"What are your observations there in terms of, apart from those maybe more dramatic early"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":759.0899999999999,"endTime":761.7,"body":"life experiences, the kind that you talk about?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":761.7,"endTime":766.1700000000001,"body":"But for most people, what kind of things do you think really influence people to begin to"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":766.1700000000001,"endTime":767.19,"body":"take notice?"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":767.22,"endTime":771.1500000000001,"body":"Yeah, I think in that sense my story is kind of typical."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":771.1500000000001,"endTime":776.9100000000001,"body":"The people that I've encountered that seem to be younger, involved in the anti-aging,"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":776.9100000000001,"endTime":783.1500000000001,"body":"broader work seem to have all had some sort of formative experience, some relative that"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":783.1500000000001,"endTime":786.21,"body":"had some horrible disease or something like that, that really started to make them think"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":786.21,"endTime":787.95,"body":"about this earlier."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":787.95,"endTime":791.5699999999999,"body":"But I think for the broader public, it is something that comes in a little bit later in"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":791.5699999999999,"endTime":793.76,"body":"life and there's data to support this."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":793.76,"endTime":796.8199999999999,"body":"So as an example, I'm not going to have the hard numbers in my mind."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":796.8199999999999,"endTime":801.4100000000001,"body":"But like if you poll, you know, a bunch of 20 year olds and say like, who wants to live"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":801.4100000000001,"endTime":805.9100000000001,"body":"to be 120 years old, even assuming health and all and all that, you know, your friends"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":805.9100000000001,"endTime":807.1700000000001,"body":"are still alive, you're still healthy."},{"speaker":"You know, you might have like a 50","startTime":807.1700000000001,"endTime":810.02,"body":"50 on that, right?"},{"speaker":"You know, you might have like a 50","startTime":810.02,"endTime":816.04,"body":"But if you poll a room of like, very healthy 80 year olds, do you want to live to be like"},{"speaker":"You know, you might have like a 50","startTime":816.04,"endTime":818.6500000000001,"body":"90? Well, then it's like almost unanimous, right?"},{"speaker":"You know, you might have like a 50","startTime":818.6500000000001,"endTime":825.1300000000001,"body":"So I think it's more also as you become closer to it, you can't not look at it."},{"speaker":"You know, you might have like a 50","startTime":825.1300000000001,"endTime":827.56,"body":"It sort of comes more in your view and you're like, no, wait a minute."},{"speaker":"You know, you might have like a 50","startTime":827.56,"endTime":829.3299999999999,"body":"I actually love life, actually."},{"speaker":"You know, you might have like a 50","startTime":829.3299999999999,"endTime":830.1400000000001,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":830.1400000000001,"endTime":835.1199999999999,"body":"It's really interesting. You just used the expression anti-aging, which is something I, I"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":835.1199999999999,"endTime":837.3399999999999,"body":"kind of try to avoid using."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":837.3399999999999,"endTime":843.3,"body":"I prefer the concept of pro aging that we're all going to get older, and the task is to"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":843.3,"endTime":846.3900000000001,"body":"make the best of it, and to extend the number of healthy years."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":846.3900000000001,"endTime":849.6300000000001,"body":"I think it might be just interesting to get, because we probably all have different"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":849.6300000000001,"endTime":855.81,"body":"perspectives on this in terms of what the ultimate goal is in terms of life extension,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":855.81,"endTime":858.06,"body":"what that actually means to you."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":858.06,"endTime":864.3499999999999,"body":"Are you just talking about extending Healthspan to maybe 85, 90 or 100 or 120, which"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":864.3499999999999,"endTime":870.3800000000001,"body":"seems to be the the maximum that most people think that we could potentially extend life"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":870.3800000000001,"endTime":875.9000000000001,"body":"to. But maybe, Keith, first of all, where do you stand on on the range of potential life"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":875.9000000000001,"endTime":877.6099999999999,"body":"extensions that people talk about?"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":877.6400000000001,"endTime":878.9300000000001,"body":"Yeah, that's a really good question."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":878.9300000000001,"endTime":881.99,"body":"And you probably even noticed on my face when I was saying anti-aging, I'm like, I'm not"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":881.99,"endTime":883.31,"body":"sure if that's the best term, right?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":883.3399999999999,"endTime":883.8800000000001,"body":"I did,"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":883.94,"endTime":888.5,"body":"Yeah, there's a lot of different terminology, but I do like your framing there because I"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":888.5,"endTime":892.9100000000001,"body":"just think it's better, generally better to always come to a topic with a frame of like,"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":892.9100000000001,"endTime":894.1400000000001,"body":"what are you for?"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":894.26,"endTime":895.8800000000001,"body":"Not for not what are you against."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":895.8800000000001,"endTime":903.4100000000001,"body":"Right. So personally, like when I sometimes I see some longevity, long time pro longevity"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":903.4100000000001,"endTime":906.74,"body":"or healthy longevity advocates get asked the question directly like do you want to live"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":906.74,"endTime":908.45,"body":"200 years old? Like what's it about?"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":908.45,"endTime":912.0999999999999,"body":"Right? There might be a little bit of like hedging, you know, like, well, it's it's not"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":912.0999999999999,"endTime":914.0799999999999,"body":"about it's not about life expectancy."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":914.0799999999999,"endTime":915.8499999999999,"body":"It's about health and all this kind of stuff."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":915.8499999999999,"endTime":917.44,"body":"Right. Which I think is absolutely true."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":917.44,"endTime":920.53,"body":"That's a key point. Like you do not get one without the other like that."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":920.53,"endTime":924.79,"body":"That in my opinion, addresses a lot of the potential concerns that people have about like"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":924.79,"endTime":927.6400000000001,"body":"getting old and decrepit or, you know, all this sort of thing."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":927.6400000000001,"endTime":932.1700000000001,"body":"It's like the only way that you're going to get significant maximal life expectancy is if"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":932.1700000000001,"endTime":935.8199999999999,"body":"you actually promote, like the years of good health, which is what I think everybody"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":935.8199999999999,"endTime":940.6199999999999,"body":"wants. Right? But between you and me, like I feel that at least, you know, from knowing,"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":940.6800000000001,"endTime":944.0699999999999,"body":"knowing these people personally, it's a little it does come off as hedging."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":944.0699999999999,"endTime":948.9000000000001,"body":"So when I get asked this question, my answer is simply for my personal self."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":948.9300000000001,"endTime":956.31,"body":"It must be implicit in the value proposition of life extension, that life is good, that"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":956.31,"endTime":957.3299999999999,"body":"life is wonderful."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":957.3299999999999,"endTime":963.6500000000001,"body":"And I think that so as a consequence of me thinking that I currently would like to live"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":963.6500000000001,"endTime":968.96,"body":"indefinitely and defer that option to my future self, maybe in a thousand years I'll"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":968.96,"endTime":975.2,"body":"think differently. And more importantly than that solipsistic aspect, I want everybody to"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":975.2,"endTime":978.1099999999999,"body":"have that choice, whatever they want to do with it."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":978.1400000000001,"endTime":979.6400000000001,"body":"That's what you would like."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":979.6400000000001,"endTime":981.8599999999999,"body":"What do you think is going to happen?"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":981.8599999999999,"endTime":987.3399999999999,"body":"Okay, so one of the key points here is that I think there should be no illusions that"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":987.3399999999999,"endTime":991.69,"body":"there's going to be a magic silver bullet that's going to come out in five years, that"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":991.69,"endTime":994.48,"body":"you're going to take a pill and boom, you're immortal."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":994.48,"endTime":998.3499999999999,"body":"It's going to be whatever happens, whatever the upper limit is, it's going to be a"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":998.3499999999999,"endTime":999.46,"body":"bootstrapping process."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":999.46,"endTime":1003.72,"body":"So right now, I think we're at the period where certain small molecules, you know, things"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1003.72,"endTime":1007.4100000000001,"body":"you've probably heard of or your audience have probably heard of, like, you know, calorie"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1007.4100000000001,"endTime":1013.71,"body":"restriction mimic, mimic type things like NAD plus, you know, and etc."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1013.8599999999999,"endTime":1018.21,"body":"those types of things might give you a very marginal sort of increase, maybe a few years"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1018.21,"endTime":1021.9300000000001,"body":"here or there. But again, nothing is better right now than just a thing your mama always"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1021.9300000000001,"endTime":1023.3699999999999,"body":"told you to do. You know, sleep."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1023.6099999999999,"endTime":1025.29,"body":"You know, don't stress, etc."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1025.29,"endTime":1029.91,"body":"but I think in the near term, within five, ten years there's going to be the next wave of"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1029.91,"endTime":1034.16,"body":"therapies your, your things called like for example, senolytics these drugs that could"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1034.16,"endTime":1038.48,"body":"help clear out kind of zombie cells in your body and maybe pairing that with some sort of"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1038.48,"endTime":1039.65,"body":"stem cell technologies."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1039.65,"endTime":1043.64,"body":"You know, maybe now you're maybe you can get a ten years or something like that, right?"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1043.64,"endTime":1047.66,"body":"And then in the future, in the farther future, you have technologies that are slowly"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1047.66,"endTime":1052.49,"body":"coming to bear nanomedicine, etc., that I think could do much more systemic things."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1052.49,"endTime":1058.28,"body":"So I'm to answer your question as clearly as I can, knowing that this is very up in the"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1058.28,"endTime":1065.1499999999999,"body":"air, I'm optimistic that people who are youthful now, through that bootstrapping process,"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1065.1499999999999,"endTime":1069.11,"body":"might see a future where they live much longer, hundreds of years."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1069.11,"endTime":1072.56,"body":"But I think it's going to be a slow and steady and incremental process."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1072.56,"endTime":1075.4099999999999,"body":"And there are a lot of unknown, you know, we might uncover to your point, like right now,"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1075.4099999999999,"endTime":1078.26,"body":"120 is probably like the limit, right?"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1078.26,"endTime":1081.3,"body":"So say if we solve all the problems that we know about, right."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1081.3,"endTime":1085.62,"body":"There might be some other protein aggregate that builds up that we've never heard of."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1085.62,"endTime":1088.3799999999999,"body":"That only comes into play if you live 130 years."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1088.3799999999999,"endTime":1092.7,"body":"Right. So there's always like unknown unknowns of like where the upper upper bound is."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1092.8799999999999,"endTime":1093.3899999999999,"body":"Daniel"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1093.57,"endTime":1098.85,"body":"Yeah. I want to weight in just for a second because I think the challenge is, is that"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1098.85,"endTime":1102.4199999999998,"body":"there's a, there's a group of longevity people in the longevity space who are the"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1102.4199999999998,"endTime":1108.36,"body":"dreamers who can, who can, who can see or dream of this, this, this bigger future."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1108.81,"endTime":1114.84,"body":"and I think that but I think there's an effort, you know, like, I think I think it's a"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1114.84,"endTime":1118.6799999999998,"body":"hard time communicating that because it's scary."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1118.6799999999998,"endTime":1123.0,"body":"It's, you know, when people say something like, oh, a thousand years, it sounds crazy or"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1123.0,"endTime":1128.96,"body":"whatever, and, and, and, and, and I think that what's the public the public thinks"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1128.96,"endTime":1135.6499999999999,"body":"linearly, you know, 112345, six, you know, and after 30 you're at 30 steps."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1135.6499999999999,"endTime":1139.25,"body":"But what's happening in technology is it's an exponential growth rate."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1139.25,"endTime":1141.98,"body":"And and we see it like, particularly now with AI."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1141.98,"endTime":1145.97,"body":"And as AI is applied to medicine, there's, there's there's just these leaps and these"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1145.97,"endTime":1151.8799999999999,"body":"bounds that, that, many of us in the longevity community believe will happen."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1151.8799999999999,"endTime":1156.1599999999999,"body":"We don't know exactly how it will play out, but we 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things that, you know, can be"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1185.71,"endTime":1191.4099999999999,"body":"fantasy or, you know, any scientific, you know, progress actually had somebody before the"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1191.4099999999999,"endTime":1197.83,"body":"scientific progress happened who dreamed about it and, and wrote or sang or made plays"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1197.83,"endTime":1200.56,"body":"about it or wrote books about it and in fictional form."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1200.56,"endTime":1206.9299999999998,"body":"And, you know, I don't know when that sky is the limit is reached."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1206.9299999999998,"endTime":1211.8799999999999,"body":"But I do know that technology is exponential and that, you know, computing power doubles"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1211.8799999999999,"endTime":1217.3999999999999,"body":"every 18 months and that there's there's that things will happen a lot quicker than"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1217.3999999999999,"endTime":1221.12,"body":"people realize because our brains don't think exponentially."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1221.3,"endTime":1228.32,"body":"It's interesting, you should say that some aspects of life extension aspirations are scary"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1228.32,"endTime":1233.33,"body":"to perhaps people who might just hear about it, not fully understand what you're talking"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1233.33,"endTime":1235.73,"body":"about, but think, well, yeah, that is scary."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1235.73,"endTime":1240.2,"body":"The thought of living eternal life, or even just living to 150 years old, that it's"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1240.2,"endTime":1246.44,"body":"unrealistic, that it's verging on science fiction, and then trying to correlate that with"},{"speaker":"Peter 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fiction side of things and the realistic"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1277.29,"endTime":1279.12,"body":"aspirations of people."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1279.12,"endTime":1284.79,"body":"And I'm just wondering in terms of your storytelling, therefore, what how you join the"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1284.79,"endTime":1289.83,"body":"dots in terms of that dilemma, do you try to be fairly modest and realistic in terms of"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1289.83,"endTime":1295.11,"body":"your aspirations when you're you're telling those stories, or do you go all in to the to"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1295.11,"endTime":1300.29,"body":"the edge, which is science fiction for a lot of people, but perhaps risk losing an"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1300.29,"endTime":1302.36,"body":"audience because they think it is just that."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1302.36,"endTime":1304.01,"body":"That it's just science fiction."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1304.01,"endTime":1304.73,"body":"Keith."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1305.48,"endTime":1307.4299999999998,"body":"No. Excellent question."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1307.4299999999998,"endTime":1311.12,"body":"So I'm sure Daniel will have a lot to say as well in terms of specific films."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1311.12,"endTime":1318.56,"body":"But what I think this brings up, which is very germane, is that persuasion is a science,"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1318.56,"endTime":1323.57,"body":"too, you know? So if you want to sway the public, you want to study things like cognitive"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1323.57,"endTime":1328.58,"body":"biases, right. And, you know, for example, to answer your question specifically, it's not"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1328.58,"endTime":1332.12,"body":"a good tactic to present something like, hey, this is the way it should be."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1332.12,"endTime":1334.73,"body":"And if you don't understand it, you're an idiot, right?"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1334.73,"endTime":1336.98,"body":"Like, like you're not going to win people to your side."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1336.98,"endTime":1342.71,"body":"It's much more effective whenever you can, to put interesting seeds in people's minds"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1342.71,"endTime":1347.1699999999998,"body":"that let them come to the conclusion on their own, like it's their own idea, right?"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1347.1699999999998,"endTime":1348.82,"body":"And it will be their own idea."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1348.82,"endTime":1355.3899999999999,"body":"So and it's also very useful to use metaphor to tease out these concerns and then speak"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1355.3899999999999,"endTime":1359.86,"body":"to them. So as an example, in that course video I had mentioned earlier, we use the myth"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1359.86,"endTime":1364.72,"body":"of Tithonus, an ancient Greek myth, to sort of speak to the innate fears that people"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1364.72,"endTime":1368.02,"body":"have. Like if you just say, hey, do you want to live to be 150 years old?"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1368.02,"endTime":1372.51,"body":"Most people will immediately think of that as like, I'm hooked up to machines and being"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1372.51,"endTime":1376.4099999999999,"body":"kept alive, like Darth Vader or something like that, and nobody wants that."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1376.4099999999999,"endTime":1379.3799999999999,"body":"And that's what the Greek myth of Tithonus really addresses."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1379.3799999999999,"endTime":1382.02,"body":"So we can say, hey, oh, you don't want that."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1382.02,"endTime":1383.6399999999999,"body":"Well, we don't want that either."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1383.6399999999999,"endTime":1387.27,"body":"That is actually what the current system of medicine maximizes."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1387.27,"endTime":1389.19,"body":"We're trying to, like, not do that."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1389.19,"endTime":1392.01,"body":"So you you've really been on our team the whole time."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1392.01,"endTime":1393.36,"body":"You just didn't know it."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1393.36,"endTime":1397.31,"body":"That kind of thing is one specific example, and I just want to give one more point based"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1397.31,"endTime":1400.49,"body":"on the exponential and linear thinking that Daniel was talking about."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1401.27,"endTime":1404.3,"body":"It's also through the mechanism of just reasoning."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1404.3,"endTime":1407.24,"body":"And then this could work its way into to art projects as well."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1407.27,"endTime":1411.77,"body":"It's a sort of understand sort of, in a sense, sometimes the broken machinery of our"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1411.77,"endTime":1413.3899999999999,"body":"human minds and how to speak to it."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1413.3899999999999,"endTime":1418.72,"body":"So I typically ask three questions sometimes when I'm speaking in crowds to tease out"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1418.72,"endTime":1423.49,"body":"this linear versus, you know, exponential aspect where I'll say, who here wants to live"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1423.49,"endTime":1424.81,"body":"to be 150 years old?"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1424.81,"endTime":1430.06,"body":"Even assuming health and happiness and friends, you know, you might get a 5050 and say,"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1430.06,"endTime":1431.32,"body":"okay, forget about this question."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1431.32,"endTime":1434.02,"body":"I'm going to ask you a different question, a different set of two questions."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1434.02,"endTime":1435.82,"body":"Who wants to be alive tomorrow?"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1436.1799999999998,"endTime":1437.74,"body":"Everybody says yes."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1437.86,"endTime":1439.6299999999999,"body":"Who thinks that?"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1439.6299999999999,"endTime":1444.55,"body":"The answer to that question, assuming health and happiness, would change tomorrow and"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1444.55,"endTime":1449.11,"body":"people will think about go no, tomorrow, I'm still going to say I want to be alive the"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1449.11,"endTime":1453.31,"body":"next day, right? Assuming hell, well, by mathematical induction, I literally just asked"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1453.31,"endTime":1455.83,"body":"you the same exact question, literally."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1455.83,"endTime":1457.6299999999999,"body":"But the answer was 50% yes."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1457.6299999999999,"endTime":1460.45,"body":"Over here the answer is 100% yes over here."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1460.51,"endTime":1462.28,"body":"Why do you think that is?"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1462.28,"endTime":1468.27,"body":"And the answer is that in the second framing of it, you're now thinking about it in terms"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1468.27,"endTime":1473.79,"body":"of your actual self, like infinite tomorrows, where in the first question that 120 year"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1473.79,"endTime":1478.9199999999998,"body":"old me is like some other person, so you're you're jumping over that gap of what's called"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1478.9199999999998,"endTime":1483.1499999999999,"body":"hyperbolic discounting by the way you structured your questions."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1483.1499999999999,"endTime":1487.32,"body":"So that's just like one example of like when you're making a movie, you could be aware of"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1487.32,"endTime":1491.04,"body":"these kind of things and try to design your narrative to sort of like, you know, work"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1491.04,"endTime":1493.3999999999999,"body":"around or speak to these elements."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1493.3999999999999,"endTime":1496.73,"body":"So I'm just curious, what style of documentary is this?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1496.73,"endTime":1499.76,"body":"Do you, for example, start with a blank piece of paper or maybe a piece of paper with a"},{"speaker":"Peter 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To answer the last part first, which is more philosophical."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1645.06,"endTime":1648.6299999999999,"body":"Yeah, I think that there are benefits to be gained from sort of the the Buddhist"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1648.6299999999999,"endTime":1650.49,"body":"non-attachment mindset."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1650.49,"endTime":1654.03,"body":"Right. You know, of I think that that is good, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1654.03,"endTime":1655.32,"body":"work to fight Alzheimer's disease."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1655.32,"endTime":1661.9199999999998,"body":"Right? So I think these things can actually be co-joined I've found from sort of being on"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1661.9199999999998,"endTime":1666.3,"body":"the front lines of the public engagement side of this, through the work at lifespan and"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1666.3,"endTime":1669.21,"body":"crowdfunding and working with celebrities and YouTubers."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1669.54,"endTime":1677.22,"body":"My boots on the ground assessment is actually that if you just use very sane terms to"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1677.22,"endTime":1680.04,"body":"add, you know, adding the term health does a lot of work."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1680.04,"endTime":1685.34,"body":"You know, healthy longevity, increasing healthy human lifespan, then it sort of becomes"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1685.34,"endTime":1686.6299999999999,"body":"kind of inarguable."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1686.69,"endTime":1691.82,"body":"And I have found that there's much less of a negative perception than one might think."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1691.82,"endTime":1693.5,"body":"There might be a vocal minority there."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1693.5,"endTime":1698.6,"body":"But again, to call back to the Kazakh example where like it was like 99.99 of like tens"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1698.6,"endTime":1701.03,"body":"of millions of people saying, no, we want this."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1701.3,"endTime":1706.04,"body":"I think that there's it's largely changing now, and we're having a different problem of"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1706.04,"endTime":1710.47,"body":"maybe, you know, combating snake oil and charlatans and stuff again, because it's it's"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1710.47,"endTime":1711.8799999999999,"body":"starting to become kind of mainstream."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1711.8799999999999,"endTime":1717.1599999999999,"body":"So we're having the different issue, in my opinion, but I find that the public is"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1717.1599999999999,"endTime":1720.25,"body":"absolutely there for these kind of technologies."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1720.25,"endTime":1723.73,"body":"I mean, almost everybody has a family member with Alzheimer's disease or something like"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1723.73,"endTime":1728.77,"body":"that. So if you just position it that way, like our goal is to address these things that"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1728.77,"endTime":1730.87,"body":"go horribly wrong with us and cause suffering."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1730.87,"endTime":1735.85,"body":"And oh, as a byproduct of that, you're going to hopefully live healthier, longer."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1736.03,"endTime":1738.55,"body":"Most people have absolutely no problem with that."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1738.55,"endTime":1743.47,"body":"So as long as you don't go out of your way to make yourself sound crazy, I think actually"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1743.47,"endTime":1746.02,"body":"there really isn't too much significant pushback there."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1746.05,"endTime":1751.0,"body":"Yeah. And in fact, you've just touched on the way that I generally try to respond to that"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1751.0,"endTime":1757.55,"body":"question, which is I will say, well, imagine, remember back to the worst times in your"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1757.55,"endTime":1762.6799999999998,"body":"life. And they nearly always surround health, the health of your own health when you're"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1762.6799999999998,"endTime":1767.06,"body":"particularly sick, or the health of your loved ones, or your very close friends."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1767.06,"endTime":1772.1599999999999,"body":"Just that almost that black hole that you sometimes find yourself in thinking, I'm never"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1772.1599999999999,"endTime":1776.78,"body":"going to get out of this. And you suddenly, in those moments, appreciate what it's like"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1776.78,"endTime":1778.25,"body":"to have good health."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1778.25,"endTime":1786.32,"body":"So imagine if you could only just maybe just delay by a few years, those bad times that"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1786.32,"endTime":1790.52,"body":"your parents or your grandparents or your closest friends are going to experience so that"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1790.52,"endTime":1794.21,"body":"they can enjoy the best of times for longer."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1794.21,"endTime":1798.47,"body":"And that's maybe a little clumsy way of explaining it, but that's essentially Daniel,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1798.47,"endTime":1802.28,"body":"what I say to people, and hopefully it's something that can resonate."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1802.46,"endTime":1807.31,"body":"Yeah. And it's something I think that you can see evidence of, I mean, you know, like, the"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1807.31,"endTime":1808.9299999999998,"body":"former Vice president, Dick Cheney."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1808.9299999999998,"endTime":1816.61,"body":"Like, if you look at his relationship to cardiovascular disease, you know, and how his"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1816.61,"endTime":1821.1699999999998,"body":"healthspan has been extended by all this technology that's come along over the years"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1821.1699999999998,"endTime":1827.3799999999999,"body":"that, you know, if he had been born 50 years before, would not have been able to extend"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1827.3799999999999,"endTime":1834.9299999999998,"body":"his life. You know, my dad, just recently passed away, and, he was getting, a tailored"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1834.9299999999998,"endTime":1841.53,"body":"cancer treatment that, you know, did not exist five years ago and gave him extra time,"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1841.53,"endTime":1845.82,"body":"you know, so I think if when you think about it in terms of that or you can sort of"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1845.82,"endTime":1851.85,"body":"demonstrate or show how today things are improving our lives, improving our health,"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1851.85,"endTime":1853.58,"body":"giving us, you know, more."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1853.58,"endTime":1857.78,"body":"I had more time with my dad than I would have had had the, you know, he had stents."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1857.78,"endTime":1860.12,"body":"He had, you know, gone through other processes."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1860.12,"endTime":1865.52,"body":"He had, a robot had done some surgery on him at some point, like all this stuff wasn't"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1865.52,"endTime":1868.1299999999999,"body":"possible, you know, 50 years ago."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1868.1299999999999,"endTime":1871.97,"body":"And it meant that I got to spend another, maybe another ten years between all those"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":1871.97,"endTime":1875.99,"body":"different things with him than I would have been able to spend, you know, previously."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1876.32,"endTime":1877.71,"body":"Let me ask you both this."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1877.71,"endTime":1880.1399999999999,"body":"And I think I'm going to get some interesting answers here."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1880.29,"endTime":1885.12,"body":"It's a question I frequently ask people interviewed on this podcast, and that is based on"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1885.12,"endTime":1890.76,"body":"your own experience and especially your research and your intense interest in this area."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1890.76,"endTime":1895.4099999999999,"body":"How do you live your lives today with your longevity in mind?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1895.4099999999999,"endTime":1899.94,"body":"And Keith, I think we touched on clearly it is diet and there's exercise and there's good"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1899.94,"endTime":1904.36,"body":"sleep, but can you just give me a snapshot of a day in your life?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1904.36,"endTime":1909.22,"body":"Or maybe it's not just a day, maybe it's focused over a week or a month, but basically"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1909.22,"endTime":1915.34,"body":"what you do to try purely for yourself, to extend the number of healthy years and perhaps"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1915.34,"endTime":1917.59,"body":"extend your health, your lifespan as well."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1917.74,"endTime":1921.8799999999999,"body":"Sure. The good news here is that I'm very sort of OCD and regimented in this regard."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1921.8799999999999,"endTime":1925.0,"body":"So I can give you a very clear answer, because I kind of do the same thing."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1925.0,"endTime":1926.32,"body":"I thought you might be. 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So that was Oliver Medvedik and myself from lifespan."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1973.76,"endTime":1976.87,"body":"We're working with Chris in the early days to kind of come up with the formulation and"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1976.87,"endTime":1981.07,"body":"sort of kind of like it's not an official spin out, but sort of related, in a sense, to"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1981.07,"endTime":1987.25,"body":"lifespan.io So there's that something that I know is objectively necessary for longevity,"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1987.25,"endTime":1990.79,"body":"but I am bad at is sleeping properly."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1991.0,"endTime":1993.6699999999998,"body":"I'm a voracious night owl."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1993.6699999999998,"endTime":1995.44,"body":"I'm typically up until like 4 a.m."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":1995.44,"endTime":2001.56,"body":"and getting up at like 10 or 11, which is bad, But the reason why that is, is because I'm"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2001.56,"endTime":2008.31,"body":"in sort of like a longevity advocate catch 22 here, where because I'm so under the gun, I"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2008.31,"endTime":2011.25,"body":"guess you could say of like how important that I feel this work is."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2011.25,"endTime":2015.54,"body":"It can sort of be a little bit self-destructive in a way where it's just like, I can't go"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2015.54,"endTime":2018.27,"body":"to sleep because I have to have a meeting with this person, and it's too important and"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2018.27,"endTime":2020.3999999999999,"body":"it's too important, you know, it's it's that kind of thing."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2020.3999999999999,"endTime":2027.29,"body":"So, that's basically what I do is, is, exercise properly, take supplements that I think"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2027.29,"endTime":2031.49,"body":"are good, but not a million supplements and try to sleep."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2031.49,"endTime":2032.81,"body":"But I could do that better."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2033.02,"endTime":2036.3799999999999,"body":"And attention to your diet and nutrition."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2036.3799999999999,"endTime":2039.3799999999999,"body":"Yeah. I'm not like super."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2039.3799999999999,"endTime":2041.9299999999998,"body":"You know, I'm not like a hardcore vegan or anything like that."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2041.9299999999998,"endTime":2047.06,"body":"But generally, I guess you could say like doing a lazy best effort there, you know, not"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2047.06,"endTime":2052.07,"body":"going out of my way to eat to excess, you know, have a lot of salads and that sort of"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2052.07,"endTime":2054.98,"body":"stuff. But I'm not like, I must not have these four things."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2054.98,"endTime":2056.3,"body":"I'm not like that regimented."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2056.3,"endTime":2056.69,"body":"You know."},{"speaker":"Speaker5","startTime":2056.69,"endTime":2057.4700000000003,"body":"Daniel."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2057.4700000000003,"endTime":2058.82,"body":"I keep it pretty simple."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2059.0,"endTime":2061.01,"body":"I exercise every day."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2061.37,"endTime":2063.59,"body":"I do try to do my sleep."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2063.59,"endTime":2067.37,"body":"The my my fail. 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I haven't really been on that, lately."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2103.83,"endTime":2109.2599999999998,"body":"I think, I get so much benefit from, like, the exercise and the and these other things"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2109.2599999999998,"endTime":2111.72,"body":"that, I may reevaluate that."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2111.72,"endTime":2116.43,"body":"Also, it feels like very often, you know, there'll be something that'll come out like,"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2116.43,"endTime":2118.74,"body":"oh, this is this is the magic bullet."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2118.77,"endTime":2122.91,"body":"And then, you know, years later, there's, you know, oh, no, that wasn't it."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2122.91,"endTime":2129.09,"body":"This other thing is, you know, so I really I really haven't gone down that, I went once"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2129.21,"endTime":2131.46,"body":"years ago, I went down that supplement rabbit hole, and I."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2131.46,"endTime":2136.0499999999997,"body":"And I just really haven't been been doing that, I think, I think the, I think mental,"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2136.0499999999997,"endTime":2141.93,"body":"emotional, spiritual health is really what's important, you know, to me in terms of,"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2142.27,"endTime":2145.06,"body":"having a healthy, happy life."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2145.09,"endTime":2148.81,"body":"Yeah. And I actually think we're increasingly understanding more about that because when"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2148.81,"endTime":2153.13,"body":"you mentioned community, Keith, you were nodding there and it was an aspect of your"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2153.13,"endTime":2154.63,"body":"regime that you didn't talk about."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2154.63,"endTime":2160.15,"body":"But social connections, I think, we're beginning to realize just other people and how we"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2160.15,"endTime":2163.15,"body":"relate to other people, especially for older people."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2163.15,"endTime":2168.09,"body":"If you get over if you maybe stop working, if you're sort of retirement phase, that is"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2168.09,"endTime":2172.56,"body":"when it's still crucially important to nurture those social connections."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2172.56,"endTime":2178.65,"body":"And we've heard many times that loneliness, loneliness can kill in a way that cigarette"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2178.65,"endTime":2179.7599999999998,"body":"smoking can kill."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2180.0,"endTime":2181.17,"body":"That's just what I was going to say."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2181.17,"endTime":2182.82,"body":"So I was going to cite that specifically."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2182.82,"endTime":2184.38,"body":"So 100%. Yeah. I didn't mention it."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2184.38,"endTime":2187.41,"body":"But Daniel and yourself are absolutely right."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2187.41,"endTime":2191.16,"body":"The data is, in my opinion, incontrovertible on that fact."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2192.02,"endTime":2195.7999999999997,"body":"Well, look, both of you, as we just draw this to a close, it's a fascinating conversation"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2195.7999999999997,"endTime":2200.36,"body":"and we could probably go on for three hours talking, diving, diving deep into human"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2200.36,"endTime":2204.7999999999997,"body":"longevity. Just want to both of you in terms of your aspirations, especially with"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2204.7999999999997,"endTime":2206.42,"body":"Jellyfish for the coming months."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2206.42,"endTime":2210.71,"body":"You've mentioned a few of the projects, but but what's on your mind and what are your"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2210.71,"endTime":2212.87,"body":"goals for the coming year or so?"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2212.9,"endTime":2214.82,"body":"This could be a big. Year for jellyfish."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2215.33,"endTime":2221.84,"body":"we are going to be launching, a token and, to broaden our community."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2222.23,"endTime":2229.7,"body":"and, be able to deploy Treasury to these goals and aspirations that we have, will"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2229.7,"endTime":2231.2599999999998,"body":"continue making ageless."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2231.29,"endTime":2232.5499999999997,"body":"We have another movie."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2232.5499999999997,"endTime":2236.42,"body":"Let me just jump in. When you say deploying a token, can you just explain that a little"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2236.42,"endTime":2236.93,"body":"bit?"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2237.0499999999997,"endTime":2242.92,"body":"Yes. Of course. So, the reason we're DAO is because we want to take advantage of the world"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2242.92,"endTime":2245.62,"body":"of cryptocurrency, the community of cryptocurrency."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2245.62,"endTime":2249.13,"body":"And, so we're going to launch a jelly token."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2249.34,"endTime":2252.43,"body":"The token is a cryptocurrency that will be called Jelly."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2252.43,"endTime":2259.69,"body":"And by, uh, acquiring that token, you'll be able to participate in the governance of the"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2259.69,"endTime":2265.5299999999997,"body":"decentralized organization, and you'll be able to, you know, participate."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2265.5299999999997,"endTime":2269.4,"body":"I mean, that's the main thing is it's it's it's a community building thing."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2269.4,"endTime":2274.17,"body":"And through that process that that we'll have a treasury that will be able to be"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2274.17,"endTime":2276.7799999999997,"body":"deployed. We're already in production on Ageless."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2276.7799999999997,"endTime":2281.46,"body":"We have another movie called Last Generation to Die, which is going along very well."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2281.46,"endTime":2284.94,"body":"There's a it's based on a short that people can watch on YouTube right now, The Last"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2284.94,"endTime":2290.75,"body":"Generation to Die, made by Tim Malpan And, we've been that's been gone through the"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2290.75,"endTime":2295.88,"body":"development process. We've cast some Oscar nominated actors into that project."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2295.88,"endTime":2302.72,"body":"And, that is moving along and we'll, we'll hope, hope to come to fruition in the next 12"},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2302.72,"endTime":2306.44,"body":"months, I would hope, depending on how things go."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2306.86,"endTime":2308.2999999999997,"body":"Sounds good. Keith."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2308.2999999999997,"endTime":2308.75,"body":"The future."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2308.75,"endTime":2312.98,"body":"Yeah, to build off of that, obviously the most exciting thing is what Daniel mentioned is"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2312.98,"endTime":2316.31,"body":"this launch of a token so that the community can get directly involved."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2316.31,"endTime":2321.17,"body":"And I would love to see the successful launch of one of these movie projects."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2321.17,"endTime":2326.93,"body":"To piggyback again onto what Daniel said, I think The Last Generation to Die short that"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2326.93,"endTime":2331.19,"body":"you can find on the internet, if you search those terms by Tim is really actually"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2331.19,"endTime":2332.24,"body":"emotionally impactful."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2332.24,"endTime":2336.19,"body":"So I'm very hopeful that we can get that to become a feature length film, because I think"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2336.19,"endTime":2337.99,"body":"that will actually really touch people."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2338.32,"endTime":2344.32,"body":"The short touched me, and just in terms of what I'm generally excited about that"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2344.32,"endTime":2348.91,"body":"Jellyfish dovetails into is that I think we're at a tipping point now in sort of the"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2348.91,"endTime":2355.0,"body":"societal perception of longevity research or whatever we want to call it, is that it's"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2355.0,"endTime":2358.0299999999997,"body":"now shifted into from this is totally impossible."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2358.0299999999997,"endTime":2359.17,"body":"What are we talking about to."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2359.2,"endTime":2362.61,"body":"Mhm. It might be possible, but is it a is it a good thing?"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2362.61,"endTime":2364.56,"body":"Let's talk about that. Let's explore that."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2364.56,"endTime":2369.96,"body":"So what I want to instill your your listeners, your viewers with is that this is exactly"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2369.96,"endTime":2372.5099999999998,"body":"the kind of thing where, like, everything matters."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2372.5099999999998,"endTime":2375.84,"body":"The conversation you have at your dinner table with your parents like, matters."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2375.84,"endTime":2380.37,"body":"So, you know, reaching out to a policymaker, reaching out to a celebrity that you might"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2380.37,"endTime":2382.44,"body":"know to say, hey, you know, what do you think about this?"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2382.44,"endTime":2385.34,"body":"Right? There's a narrative that's going to develop."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2385.34,"endTime":2388.94,"body":"And I really believe whether that zigs and zags could mean the difference between"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2388.94,"endTime":2390.08,"body":"millions of lives here."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2390.08,"endTime":2394.88,"body":"So like, I want to instill everyone with a sense of agency, like no matter what you do in"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2394.88,"endTime":2398.33,"body":"your life, even if you're just like a kid, you know, like sitting on the internet right"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2398.33,"endTime":2404.39,"body":"now, you have a part to play in what I see as a microcosm of the grand human story, you"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2404.39,"endTime":2410.38,"body":"know, this inflection point of whether we choose to take agency over our own sort of"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2410.38,"endTime":2415.96,"body":"biology is kind of like a critical point in human history, and you get to be a part of"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2415.96,"endTime":2417.7599999999998,"body":"that, which is kind of amazing."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2417.7599999999998,"endTime":2422.35,"body":"So don't take that for granted, whether it's by getting the jelly token or some other"},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2422.35,"endTime":2426.19,"body":"way. Stand up for life, you know, get in, get involved."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2426.19,"endTime":2426.73,"body":"Right?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2426.73,"endTime":2427.75,"body":"Stand up for life."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2427.75,"endTime":2430.84,"body":"I think that's a beautiful way to sum up this conversation."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2430.84,"endTime":2435.11,"body":"Keith, I like your idea of an inflection point or a tipping point, which I agree with"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2435.11,"endTime":2437.24,"body":"you. I think we are at that point at least."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2437.24,"endTime":2441.68,"body":"I hope we're at that point and the future looks quite exciting."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2441.68,"endTime":2444.41,"body":"Keith and Daniel, thank you both very much."},{"speaker":"Keith Comito","startTime":2444.41,"endTime":2445.37,"body":"Thank you for having us."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2445.5499999999997,"endTime":2446.84,"body":"Thanks for having us, Peter."},{"speaker":"Daniel Sollinger","startTime":2446.87,"endTime":2447.5,"body":"It was a pleasure."},{"speaker":"DISCLAIMER","startTime":2447.5299999999997,"endTime":2452.63,"body":"This podcast is for informational, educational and entertainment purposes only."},{"speaker":"DISCLAIMER","startTime":2452.66,"endTime":2455.15,"body":"We do not offer medical advice."},{"speaker":"DISCLAIMER","startTime":2455.18,"endTime":2460.5,"body":"If you have health concerns of any kind or you are considering adopting a new diet or"},{"speaker":"DISCLAIMER","startTime":2460.5,"endTime":2464.31,"body":"exercise regime, you should first consult your doctor."}]}