{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":0.16,"endTime":4.08,"body":"Longevity science. I think no one really has a clear definition of what it is."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":4.12,"endTime":6.28,"body":"The word longevity has a branding problem."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":6.28,"endTime":9.44,"body":"People think that we're just trying to add years and years and years to our life, and"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":9.44,"endTime":10.68,"body":"that's not what we're doing."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":10.72,"endTime":13.0,"body":"We want to add healthspan to your life."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":13.0,"endTime":15.72,"body":"And so that's where we really focus our energies now."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":16.04,"endTime":19.28,"body":"Hello again. Welcome to the Live Long podcast I'm Peter Bowes."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":19.32,"endTime":23.76,"body":"This is where we explore the science and stories behind human longevity."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":23.76,"endTime":29.76,"body":"The goal is to optimize our healthspan and master the aging process."},{"speaker":"TIMELINE","startTime":29.8,"endTime":34.48,"body":"This episode is a co-production with the Swiss longevity biotech company Timeline."},{"speaker":"TIMELINE","startTime":34.48,"endTime":39.56,"body":"We're in Las Vegas at A4M , the annual Longevity Fest meeting of the American Academy of"},{"speaker":"TIMELINE","startTime":39.56,"endTime":40.8,"body":"Anti-Aging medicine."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":40.88,"endTime":46.0,"body":"Doctor Darshan Shah earned his medical degree at the age of 21 to become one of the"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":46.0,"endTime":48.64,"body":"youngest doctors in the United States."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":48.68,"endTime":53.08,"body":"Now an experienced surgeon with a deep knowledge in the areas of heart,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":53.08,"endTime":58.88,"body":"cancer, trauma and general surgery, as well as plastic and reconstructive surgery,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":59.04,"endTime":64.54,"body":"he is also the founder of Next Health, the health optimization and longevity center that"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":64.54,"endTime":67.78,"body":"we featured on this podcast a couple of years ago."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":67.82,"endTime":69.9,"body":"You'll find it in our archives."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":70.18,"endTime":76.1,"body":"Doctor Shah is also well known as a speaker and now as a podcast host with Extend,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":76.34,"endTime":82.42,"body":"a podcast all about extending Healthspan much as we try to do with this podcast."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":82.42,"endTime":84.22,"body":"Doctor Shah, it's great to see you."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":84.26,"endTime":86.34,"body":"Nice to see you. Thank you so much for having me."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":86.94,"endTime":92.5,"body":"It was a fascinating experience going to your facility in West Hollywood."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":92.82,"endTime":97.94,"body":"I'm fascinated by Healthspan and the explosion in interest that there has been,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":97.94,"endTime":101.86,"body":"especially in this longevity space, in that kind of facility."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":101.9,"endTime":105.42,"body":"Yeah. So I think when we first opened Next Health,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":105.42,"endTime":107.98,"body":"there was actually ten. Now, almost ten years ago,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":107.98,"endTime":111.74,"body":"when we first opened our first office, it wasn't the one that you went to. It was a tiny"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":111.74,"endTime":115.14,"body":"closet of an office in West Hollywood, 1000ft²."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":115.34,"endTime":119.37,"body":"And,back then, no one knew what we were even doing."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":119.61,"endTime":122.49,"body":"They're like, what is this place you're doing? Longevity medicine."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":122.49,"endTime":129.05,"body":"What is that? And so we had a lot of, challenge actually explaining what this was."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":129.49,"endTime":134.69,"body":"But what we found since the epidemic, basically when people became refocused on their"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":134.69,"endTime":139.17,"body":"health and they actually had a time to educate themselves by listening to podcasts,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":139.21,"endTime":142.85,"body":"by listening and researching on the internet about health,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":143.65,"endTime":147.41,"body":"that we saw a massive increase in the interest in this field,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":147.41,"endTime":150.25,"body":"longevity science. And, you know, longevity science."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":150.25,"endTime":154.41,"body":"I think no one really has a clear definition of what it is."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":154.45,"endTime":160.33,"body":"I think what we do at Next Health is really try to define what we're doing in terms that"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":160.33,"endTime":161.37,"body":"people can understand."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":161.37,"endTime":168.29,"body":"And so that's that's kind of where we see the new mindset kind of going in longevity."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":168.33,"endTime":173.61,"body":"And it's not. The word longevity has a branding problem because I think people think that"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":173.61,"endTime":176.53,"body":"we're just trying to add years and years and years to our life, and that's not what we're"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":176.53,"endTime":179.55,"body":"doing. We wanted to add Healthspan to your life."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":179.55,"endTime":182.03,"body":"And so that's where we really focus our energies now."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":182.07,"endTime":186.75,"body":"I like the fact that you mentioned that because there is a branding problem across the"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":186.75,"endTime":191.59,"body":"broader population. Some people think that because you're interested in longevity,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":191.63,"endTime":196.35,"body":"living long, extending your life, that you are in some ways,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":196.55,"endTime":203.31,"body":"I think it's disillusioned with with how things are normally going to proceed and that you"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":203.35,"endTime":208.51,"body":"are deluded into thinking you're going to live an extremely long time 100,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":208.51,"endTime":211.23,"body":"120, 150, or even longer than that."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":211.23,"endTime":214.11,"body":"And you nicely say it's all about healthspan,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":214.23,"endTime":217.03,"body":"which is just really optimizing the number of healthy years."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":217.07,"endTime":222.63,"body":"Exactly. By optimizing your healthspan, we might get 20 or 30 more good years."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":222.95,"endTime":225.55,"body":"And so in my mind, that is lifespan."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":225.59,"endTime":227.27,"body":"Right, right. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":227.31,"endTime":229.03,"body":"Well, and emphasis on life."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":229.31,"endTime":233.11,"body":"Living life, which this isn't just lifespan."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":233.15,"endTime":236.54,"body":"Number of years that your heart is beating. It's enjoying life,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":236.54,"endTime":239.78,"body":"doing what you want to do with if you've got children,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":240.1,"endTime":244.1,"body":"your friends, if you want to travel and pursue a healthy career,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":244.1,"endTime":245.62,"body":"it's all part of of living."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":245.66,"endTime":249.06,"body":"Yeah, I would argue your life actually doesn't end when you die."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":249.1,"endTime":253.62,"body":"Your life ends when you develop Alzheimer's and you can't recognize your family."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":253.62,"endTime":257.26,"body":"Your life ends when you don't, when y ou're not mobile anymore because maybe you have a"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":257.26,"endTime":262.66,"body":"broken hip that doesn't heal or your life ends when you get diagnosed with end stage"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":262.66,"endTime":264.7,"body":"cancer. Like those are in my mind."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":264.74,"endTime":266.98,"body":"Also, life ending events."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":267.34,"endTime":270.18,"body":"And although you're still alive and breathing,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":270.18,"endTime":274.62,"body":"you're not enjoying the world and your family to its fullest.Right?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":274.66,"endTime":278.22,"body":"Exactly. Yes. So we'll talk a little bit more about Next Health in a moment."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":278.22,"endTime":281.1,"body":"But I mentioned that you qualified as a doctor,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":281.18,"endTime":283.58,"body":"got your degree in medicine at the age of 21."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":283.58,"endTime":285.02,"body":"You must have started very young."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":285.06,"endTime":293.46,"body":"Yeah, I did, yeah. So I was fortunate enough to be introduced to biology very early from"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":293.46,"endTime":299.2,"body":"my dad, who was also a physician, and he brought home a fetal pig one day when I was,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":299.2,"endTime":301.48,"body":"I think, in fourth or fifth grade."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":302.12,"endTime":304.52,"body":"And this was, you know, 40 years ago, maybe."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":304.68,"endTime":308.24,"body":"And, you can't you couldn't just, like, go online and order one."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":308.24,"endTime":310.64,"body":"So somehow he found a fetal pig."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":310.8,"endTime":313.0,"body":"And I don't know if you did this when you were,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":313.28,"endTime":317.08,"body":"early years in biology class, but we dissected it at home,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":317.48,"endTime":320.88,"body":"and that was just a game changing moment for my interest level into this."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":320.88,"endTime":327.92,"body":"And so once I got very interested in it, I was lucky and fortunate enough to have moved"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":327.96,"endTime":331.6,"body":"schools a few times. And that in itself was not fun,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":331.6,"endTime":336.28,"body":"but I was able to transfer credits in such a way that I could rush through school a little"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":336.28,"endTime":340.28,"body":"bit. And then I went to this special program in the United States,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":340.28,"endTime":344.28,"body":"of which there are only five programs that modeled himself after the British system,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":344.28,"endTime":348.48,"body":"actually, where right after high school, you spend six years learning medicine instead of"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":348.48,"endTime":351.44,"body":"doing four years of college and four years of MD training."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":351.44,"endTime":353.16,"body":"And so it's one thing after the other."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":353.27,"endTime":356.23,"body":"I saved for years and I was able to graduate at 21."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":356.23,"endTime":362.07,"body":"So you understood quite early on that it was your destiny to be in the medical profession."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":362.47,"endTime":365.27,"body":"I think. I think so, I don't know if I understood my destiny."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":365.27,"endTime":367.35,"body":"I just had a lot of interest in it."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":367.35,"endTime":367.87,"body":"I think, you."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":367.87,"endTime":371.43,"body":"A nd in part that's because of your father's work and because of your,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":371.43,"endTime":373.19,"body":"your studies in very early life."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":373.23,"endTime":373.83,"body":"Yes, yes."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":373.87,"endTime":379.51,"body":"And did you recognize at that stage what you recognize now about healthcare?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":379.51,"endTime":383.91,"body":"Because I talked a lot of people in your position who say what they were taught at medical"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":383.91,"endTime":388.15,"body":"school really bears little relation to what they do now in practice,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":388.15,"endTime":393.71,"body":"and that they weren't that well prepared for their profession as they left medical school."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":393.71,"endTime":397.03,"body":"And a lot of it was learning in the in the years and the decades to come."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":397.75,"endTime":400.23,"body":"Okay. So that's a great question that you're asking me,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":400.23,"endTime":403.99,"body":"because I think people need to understand the history of what happened over literally the"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":403.99,"endTime":407.39,"body":"last 50 years. Okay. When I went to medical school,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":407.43,"endTime":412.65,"body":"now, 30 years plus ago, I learned how to save lives."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":412.69,"endTime":417.61,"body":"Okay. And so you save lives by diagnosing cancer and understanding what the treatment"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":417.61,"endTime":420.85,"body":"algorithm is for that cancer with radiation, chemotherapy,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":420.89,"endTime":423.77,"body":"what have you. You save lives by someone gets hit by a bus,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":423.77,"endTime":425.45,"body":"and you're able to do surgery on them."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":425.49,"endTime":430.45,"body":"You save lives by someone has a heart attack. You're able to treat them with game"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":430.45,"endTime":434.21,"body":"changing, lifesaving medications in the emergency room."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":434.77,"endTime":436.25,"body":"We were taught to save lives."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":436.29,"endTime":442.69,"body":"Okay. But what's happened over the last 50 years is this explosion of chronic disease,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":442.73,"endTime":447.65,"body":"right? And so now with chronic disease, the healthcare profession,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":448.29,"endTime":452.21,"body":"during my time and even now is not there's too much training."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":452.21,"endTime":453.93,"body":"You need to have to save lives."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":454.21,"endTime":461.53,"body":"Turning around chronic disease, maintaining optimal health is just not in the it's just"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":461.57,"endTime":463.93,"body":"you're just not trained in that, right. And so yeah,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":463.93,"endTime":467.73,"body":"you're absolutely right. So when I got like ten years ago, I found myself in a really bad"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":467.73,"endTime":469.69,"body":"place with my own personal health."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":469.73,"endTime":474.0,"body":"I didn't have the knowledge in my brain on how to turn around my personal health,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":474.0,"endTime":478.28,"body":"but I did know what medicines I would need to take to mask the symptoms."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":478.32,"endTime":483.48,"body":"Right? And so that's kind of where I think, you're right,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":483.48,"endTime":488.48,"body":"I wasn't trained in how to, stay healthy, but that's not what the medical profession was"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":488.48,"endTime":490.32,"body":"meant to do in the first place."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":490.32,"endTime":493.24,"body":"It was meant to to fix a problem when the problem occurred."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":493.24,"endTime":495.56,"body":"And as I understand it, a lot of doctors say,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":495.72,"endTime":499.16,"body":"you know, they spent 30 minutes on diet and nutrition,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":499.2,"endTime":501.52,"body":"which is one of the major pillars, some would say,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":501.52,"endTime":504.68,"body":"the most important pillar of longevity."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":504.92,"endTime":507.76,"body":"And so how did you gain the knowledge?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":507.84,"endTime":512.36,"body":"What happened to you during your years, your early years as a practicing doctor,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":512.44,"endTime":517.24,"body":"to really change your philosophy and change your attitude towards your profession?"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":517.28,"endTime":522.24,"body":"Yeah. So, ten years ago I found myself very sick myself."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":522.24,"endTime":525.52,"body":"As I mentioned, I was 50 pounds overweight. I had metabolic syndrome,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":525.72,"endTime":532.14,"body":"diabetes. I had heart disease, hypertension that was not controlled with medication and an"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":532.14,"endTime":535.18,"body":"autoimmune disease. So all the bad things all at once,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":535.22,"endTime":535.66,"body":"you know."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":535.86,"endTime":537.62,"body":"And do you mind if I ask how old you are?"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":537.9,"endTime":538.94,"body":"I'm 52 now."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":538.98,"endTime":541.42,"body":"52 now. So this is in your 40s, early 40s."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":541.46,"endTime":548.22,"body":"Early 40s. Right. And so, um, I also at that time had my first child."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":548.26,"endTime":551.54,"body":"And so, you know, like most of us, when we have our first child,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":551.54,"endTime":552.78,"body":"it's a life defining moment."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":552.78,"endTime":555.26,"body":"And you look in the mirror and you say, what am I doing?"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":555.3,"endTime":557.66,"body":"Right. And so I said to myself, what am I doing?"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":557.66,"endTime":560.74,"body":"I'm not going to be alive long enough to see this kid grow up, because I was a little bit"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":560.74,"endTime":567.14,"body":"older dad, 40, and I decided at that point to learn what I needed to learn to heal myself."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":567.18,"endTime":569.14,"body":"And I went out there and learned nutrition."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":569.14,"endTime":572.98,"body":"I got a nutrition certification, I became a personal trainer."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":572.98,"endTime":575.22,"body":"I got a certification in how to exercise."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":575.42,"endTime":581.06,"body":"And, through that, I was meeting practitioners in a new field of medicine called"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":581.06,"endTime":584.78,"body":"functional medicine, and I was very interested."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":584.78,"endTime":588.96,"body":"Now, this was very new about ten years ago, but I was I was fortunate enough to meet some"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":588.96,"endTime":594.2,"body":"of the luminaries at that point in time who taught me about root causes of illness,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":594.56,"endTime":598.04,"body":"and I applied that science to myself, and it worked."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":598.08,"endTime":600.16,"body":"In eight months, I was able to get healthy."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":600.44,"endTime":603.96,"body":"And I said, this is the kind of medicine I want to practice so completely."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":604.0,"endTime":608.24,"body":"You know, how to kind of ramp off of my surgical career and ramp on to this new."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":608.28,"endTime":611.8,"body":"And were there, I guess there were some light bulb moments for you."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":611.84,"endTime":615.16,"body":"You talked about your own personal health, but the people that you dealt with that the"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":615.16,"endTime":619.0,"body":"patients that you dealt with, the the changes that you saw in people,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":619.0,"endTime":623.16,"body":"or perhaps some of the progress that was made by your contemporaries at doctors that you"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":623.2,"endTime":628.4,"body":"were working with were the light bulb moments that just explained things to you instantly"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":628.4,"endTime":630.0,"body":"and you think, yes, that's it."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":630.0,"endTime":632.84,"body":"I get it now. This is the direction we need to move in."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":632.88,"endTime":639.2,"body":"Yeah. So, you know, a lot of the surgeries I was doing was on very obese people."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":639.72,"endTime":643.52,"body":"They would see me in their consultative visits before surgery,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":643.56,"endTime":646.52,"body":"usually take about six months before the surgery got scheduled."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":647.07,"endTime":648.143,"body":"And they would say, Dr."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":648.143,"endTime":651.07,"body":"Shah what are you doing? You look so good. And I tell them,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":651.07,"endTime":655.95,"body":"let me tell you what I'm doing, you know, and 3 or 4 months later,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":655.95,"endTime":659.55,"body":"I would follow up with them for their surgery and say,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":659.71,"endTime":662.07,"body":"you know, okay, what? Let's look at everything."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":662.07,"endTime":664.91,"body":"You're ready to book surgery. And they'd be like, you know what? I don't need surgery"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":664.91,"endTime":669.11,"body":"anymore. I'm followed what you were doing, and I don't think I need surgery."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":669.11,"endTime":670.71,"body":"I'm just going to stay on this path."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":671.59,"endTime":674.95,"body":"And so even though I didn't wasn't able to do their surgery,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":674.95,"endTime":677.55,"body":"I was like, aha, this stuff works."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":677.55,"endTime":683.51,"body":"We're going to avoid surgery because of nutrition and sleep,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":683.67,"endTime":688.39,"body":"stress management, physiological movement advice."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":688.43,"endTime":691.31,"body":"And so that was one lightbulb moment I had for sure."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":691.47,"endTime":693.23,"body":"Which of the... I think about this a lot."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":693.27,"endTime":696.35,"body":"Which of those key pillars of longevity sleep,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":696.71,"endTime":700.51,"body":"stress, diet obviously exercise, social connections,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":700.51,"endTime":705.03,"body":"I think we're increasingly understand is very important to have people around us like"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":705.03,"endTime":708.25,"body":"minded people, friends, family, they're all important."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":708.57,"endTime":714.45,"body":"But which one of those has been perhaps the most difficult to understand?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":714.77,"endTime":716.45,"body":"I would say it's diet."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":716.49,"endTime":720.09,"body":"I think we understand what sleep is and how beneficial sleep can be."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":720.09,"endTime":724.33,"body":"But diet? There are so many different views on the kind of diet that we should be"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":724.33,"endTime":727.85,"body":"following. We're all different. We all respond to food in different ways."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":728.17,"endTime":729.77,"body":"What is your perspective there?"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":730.01,"endTime":734.49,"body":"Right. So I actually don't like the word diet because it indicates that there's a certain"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":734.49,"endTime":737.77,"body":"pattern of eating that might be the right pattern of eating."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":737.77,"endTime":739.37,"body":"And it's really not about that."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":739.65,"endTime":742.49,"body":"In all of these areas, whenever, whenever I talk to my patients,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":742.49,"endTime":747.05,"body":"I'm like, look, there's really 20% of the information that's going to move the needle 80%"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":747.05,"endTime":750.89,"body":"of the way for you. It's a Pareto principle if you're familiar with."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":751.05,"endTime":757.73,"body":"And with diet especially, we tend to hyper focus and go down the rabbit hole on nonsense."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":757.73,"endTime":761.93,"body":"That doesn't really matter. Really, the information is going to move the needle the most"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":761.93,"endTime":766.04,"body":"for you is eliminating ultra processed food from your life."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":766.08,"endTime":768.84,"body":"You know, not just reducing it, eliminating it."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":768.96,"endTime":771.48,"body":"Ultra processed food was not around 60 years ago."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":771.64,"endTime":774.56,"body":"This is a man made, created problem in our biology."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":774.6,"endTime":778.44,"body":"And just to help people understand what you mean by ultra processed food."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":778.48,"endTime":780.84,"body":"There's some food that's just slightly processed."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":780.88,"endTime":784.48,"body":"You chop an apple and it's slightly processed."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":784.72,"endTime":788.76,"body":"It's still in its raw form, but slightly processed. So what is ultra processing?"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":788.8,"endTime":791.24,"body":"Okay. Very important to be clear with this definition,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":791.24,"endTime":797.4,"body":"because I think a lot of dietary inaction happens because of confusion about all these"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":797.4,"endTime":799.56,"body":"terms. Right. So I'm so glad you asked me that."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":799.8,"endTime":804.32,"body":"Ultra processed food is a classification system called the Nova classification system."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":804.36,"endTime":809.2,"body":"And the way ultra processed food is defined is food that is not really food anymore."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":809.36,"endTime":811.24,"body":"It is created in a factory."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":811.64,"endTime":814.24,"body":"It is in a packaging of some sort."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":814.44,"endTime":818.16,"body":"And you look at the ingredient list and it's more than 4 or 5 ingredients."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":818.2,"endTime":820.24,"body":"Many of the ingredients you cannot pronounce,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":820.48,"endTime":824.78,"body":"because it's basically a bunch of chemicals that's been put together in a very hyper"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":824.82,"endTime":827.34,"body":"palatable, non nutrient dense."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":827.38,"endTime":831.78,"body":"Way to just provide you with energy and calories and to keep you eating more of."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":831.82,"endTime":835.74,"body":"That food because it's profitable for the food company. So it's all of this stuff in the"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":835.74,"endTime":838.38,"body":"United States is located in the center of the supermarket."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":838.98,"endTime":844.82,"body":"90% of our supermarket real estate in the United States is ultra processed junk that's"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":844.82,"endTime":851.22,"body":"being sold to us at very low prices and high taste value."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":851.22,"endTime":853.94,"body":"So people just keep eating more and more and more of it."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":853.98,"endTime":857.86,"body":"And so it's for some examples are chips, cookies,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":858.1,"endTime":862.78,"body":"pastries, white bread, packaged meals that are frozen."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":862.94,"endTime":864.14,"body":"All of this is garbage."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":864.14,"endTime":864.98,"body":"It's not real food."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":865.02,"endTime":869.7,"body":"And you know, it still shocks me that I go to a doctor's office and I sit in a waiting"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":869.7,"endTime":874.26,"body":"room, and there's a vending machine full of exactly what you're talking about here at this"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":874.26,"endTime":878.58,"body":"conference in the eating area at the back of the expo."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":879.06,"endTime":880.46,"body":"All of that kind of food."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":880.98,"endTime":885.61,"body":"If people like yourself, medical professionals at an event like this,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":885.65,"endTime":889.09,"body":"I mean, maybe you're not in control of the food that's being sold. I know, I understand"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":889.09,"endTime":895.29,"body":"that, but what I'm saying is it's it's kind of endemic in society this way of this"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":895.29,"endTime":898.73,"body":"convenient way of eating this ultra processed food."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":898.73,"endTime":903.65,"body":"So I suppose the question is, what needs to happen to get around that and to to stop it"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":903.65,"endTime":905.73,"body":"happening if it is so unhealthy for us?"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":905.97,"endTime":909.81,"body":"Yeah. So I mean, the reason it's there and the vending machines and is ubiquitous"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":909.81,"endTime":913.29,"body":"everywhere is because it can be stored for a very long time."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":913.53,"endTime":915.97,"body":"If you try to store a banana in a vending machine,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":915.97,"endTime":917.53,"body":"it's not going to last very long."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":917.93,"endTime":923.45,"body":"And it's also very profitable to ten major food corporations in the world to have that"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":923.45,"endTime":926.57,"body":"there in front of you so they can catch you at a weak moment,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":926.57,"endTime":929.05,"body":"and they can you just buy it, right."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":929.09,"endTime":932.41,"body":"And they make it for pennies and they sell it to you for dollars."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":932.41,"endTime":934.45,"body":"They're making so much money on this."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":934.81,"endTime":939.45,"body":"So I think to answer your question, it has to be a grassroots movement that people just"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":939.45,"endTime":943.39,"body":"stop buying it. Okay. These are trillion dollar."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":943.43,"endTime":949.31,"body":"This is $1 trillion industry with companies worth billions of dollars that aren't going to"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":949.31,"endTime":952.47,"body":"go away until they get bankrupted, basically."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":952.67,"endTime":954.15,"body":"And so how do we do that?"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":954.19,"endTime":960.39,"body":"We either force them through through policy, like it's happening now in the United States"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":960.39,"endTime":962.47,"body":"where certain ingredients are getting banned."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":962.47,"endTime":966.55,"body":"But, you know, you ban one ingredient, they'll create another one. It's just that's what"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":966.55,"endTime":969.95,"body":"they they have hundreds of chemists hired to do this."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":969.95,"endTime":972.51,"body":"Right. So it just has to be people have to stop eating it."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":972.71,"endTime":974.39,"body":"That's that's the solution."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":974.79,"endTime":980.11,"body":"So I asked you, which is the most difficult of these major pillars to to really get to"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":980.11,"endTime":984.99,"body":"grips with, to understand, to, to recommend to patients the avenue that they should go"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":984.99,"endTime":988.35,"body":"down, I think because that is one of the big areas of confusion,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":988.35,"endTime":990.67,"body":"isn't it, that people will look on the internet,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":990.67,"endTime":994.19,"body":"they'll get a little bit of advice from here, a little bit of advice from there, and"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":994.27,"endTime":999.94,"body":"ultimately be confused as to the way forward that's going to be best for them."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1000.34,"endTime":1006.02,"body":"How do you address that confusion that we see in society through this deluge of"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1006.02,"endTime":1008.58,"body":"information from billboards, from television,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1008.82,"endTime":1010.02,"body":"the internet? Clearly."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1010.34,"endTime":1013.7,"body":"Podcasts? Yes. You don't necessarily believe what you hear on a podcast."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1014.22,"endTime":1015.46,"body":"Apart from yours, of course."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1015.54,"endTime":1017.22,"body":"Yeah. But you see what I'm saying?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1017.22,"endTime":1021.3,"body":"That there's so much confusing information out there that it leads people to throw up"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1021.3,"endTime":1024.38,"body":"their arms and say, well, I don't know. I'm just going to do what tastes good."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1024.86,"endTime":1028.18,"body":"Yeah. You know, I think there's definitely a temptation to give up,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1028.22,"endTime":1033.22,"body":"right? But I think that we now have really good information out there,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1033.22,"endTime":1038.62,"body":"and a lot of people with good backgrounds spreading good information."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1038.62,"endTime":1041.7,"body":"And so I think you have to look at who's giving you the information."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1041.86,"endTime":1045.06,"body":"Most of the people on social media have no degree whatsoever."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1045.34,"endTime":1048.1,"body":"And you can tell when someone's selling you something."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1048.18,"endTime":1050.02,"body":"It's you know, humans are very smart."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1050.06,"endTime":1053.7,"body":"If someone's selling you something, they're either saying that their method is the best"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1053.7,"endTime":1057.18,"body":"way and the only way, and everyone else has no idea what they're talking about."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1057.46,"endTime":1060.8,"body":"The people that are not trying to sell you something are very nuanced, and they give you"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1061.04,"endTime":1062.92,"body":"the pros and the cons for everything."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1063.16,"endTime":1070.2,"body":"But with with all of the advice out there, there are some overarching themes that if you"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1070.2,"endTime":1072.68,"body":"like the Pareto principle, if you follow this one thing,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1072.68,"endTime":1077.16,"body":"you'll get most of the result and then you can figure out what's right for you."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1077.2,"endTime":1082.44,"body":"Okay, so I'll give you a perfect example. I had a patient about a week ago that said,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1082.44,"endTime":1086.4,"body":"you know what? I heard that I need to get more protein in my diet because I was listening"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1086.44,"endTime":1093.64,"body":"to this podcast. And so I started buying all these packaged meats."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1093.84,"endTime":1097.52,"body":"That and they keep packaged meats around all over the place."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1097.56,"endTime":1099.16,"body":"So instead of snacking on nuts."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1099.2,"endTime":1103.88,"body":"Now I snack. I snack on processed meats because there's more protein content in them."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1104.6,"endTime":1109.12,"body":"And I was like, you broke the primary tenant to not eat the ultra processed food,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1109.16,"endTime":1112.72,"body":"right? And so, you know, I think I think that's how people get confused."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1112.72,"endTime":1114.44,"body":"And so we cut through the confusion."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1114.48,"endTime":1118.78,"body":"I said, I don't care what you eat as long as it's not ultra processed."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1118.78,"endTime":1120.18,"body":"Get that part right first."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1120.18,"endTime":1122.42,"body":"And then let's focus on your protein requirements,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1122.42,"endTime":1124.9,"body":"your fiber requirements, your nutrient requirements."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1124.9,"endTime":1127.78,"body":"But once you eliminate the ultra processed food,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1127.82,"endTime":1131.14,"body":"whatever else you eat generally is going to be pretty healthy for you. As long as you're"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1131.14,"endTime":1134.06,"body":"getting enough fiber and you're meeting some protein requirements."},{"speaker":"TIMELINE","startTime":1134.42,"endTime":1138.42,"body":"This episode is brought to you by Timeline, the Swiss longevity biotech company,"},{"speaker":"TIMELINE","startTime":1138.42,"endTime":1142.66,"body":"which is pioneering a new category of clinically validated dietary supplements called"},{"speaker":"TIMELINE","startTime":1142.98,"endTime":1144.98,"body":"mitoceuticals to support healthy aging."},{"speaker":"TIMELINE","startTime":1145.5,"endTime":1149.3,"body":"Mitopure delivers Urolithin A, which has been shown to enhance cellular energy,"},{"speaker":"TIMELINE","startTime":1149.5,"endTime":1151.5,"body":"muscle strength, and the health of our skin."},{"speaker":"TIMELINE","startTime":1151.9,"endTime":1154.42,"body":"To find out more, go to the show notes for this episode."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1156.9,"endTime":1160.02,"body":"So let's talk a little more about Next Health then. So as you say,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1160.3,"endTime":1164.42,"body":"a decade old now. And you're progressing all the time."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1164.46,"endTime":1166.74,"body":"And for anyone who's never been to somewhere,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1166.74,"endTime":1170.9,"body":"and that's probably most people around the country or around the world listening to this,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1171.18,"endTime":1174.74,"body":"you describe to me what it's like. There are interventions like cryotherapy, red light"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1174.93,"endTime":1177.09,"body":"therapy. The intravenous drips."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1177.13,"endTime":1178.65,"body":"What is your primary goal?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1179.01,"endTime":1182.09,"body":"What was and what is now your primary goal with next health?"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1182.13,"endTime":1187.05,"body":"Yeah. So my primary goal is and always has been to completely reinvent health care as we"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1187.05,"endTime":1191.45,"body":"see it. And so the old model of healthcare was not really health care."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1191.45,"endTime":1192.89,"body":"It was disease care. Right."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1192.93,"endTime":1197.97,"body":"So you go to a doctor, they figure out if you have a disease and then they give you a pill"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1197.97,"endTime":1199.45,"body":"or recommend a surgery for you."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1199.85,"endTime":1203.41,"body":"What real health care is, is it's very proactive."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1203.73,"endTime":1207.93,"body":"Um, it's something that you don't just do once a year at a visit to a doctor for a yearly"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1207.93,"endTime":1210.33,"body":"physical. You're doing it on a weekly, monthly,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1210.33,"endTime":1216.33,"body":"quarterly basis. And also, you know, going to a doctor's office is not very inspiring."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1216.33,"endTime":1219.25,"body":"It feels like you're in a diseased environment. It feels like you're going to a hospital"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1219.29,"endTime":1221.65,"body":"sometimes. We wanted to create a very inspiring,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1221.65,"endTime":1223.97,"body":"beautiful place that people want to go to often."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1224.33,"endTime":1229.17,"body":"And so when you go to a next health, the journey is when you come in,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1229.21,"endTime":1232.89,"body":"we're going to measure many biomarkers on you blood tests."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1232.89,"endTime":1236.23,"body":"We're going to put you on a on a special scale that we have that gives us your skeletal"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1236.23,"endTime":1239.99,"body":"muscle mass. We do genetic testing swab and we're going to get all the data."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1239.99,"endTime":1242.87,"body":"And then we get to look at it at a lens with a doctor."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1242.91,"endTime":1244.55,"body":"We have a doctor at every location."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1244.59,"endTime":1248.79,"body":"We look at it at a lens of not just diagnosing disease,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1248.79,"endTime":1252.91,"body":"but which way are you headed, and how do we prevent you from ever having a disease in the"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1252.91,"endTime":1256.83,"body":"first place? So we put a program together for people using that data."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1256.83,"endTime":1259.91,"body":"And then we have tools and technology on site."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1259.91,"endTime":1263.99,"body":"The things that you had mentioned that people can interact with on a weekly basis."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1264.15,"endTime":1266.59,"body":"So number one, they can do some self-care."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1266.67,"endTime":1269.51,"body":"Most people don't do self-care anymore at all,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1269.79,"endTime":1271.31,"body":"until they go on vacation."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1271.31,"endTime":1272.75,"body":"One week a month, one week a year."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1272.79,"endTime":1277.83,"body":"You know, your self-care has to be for at least 2 or 3 hours a week."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1277.87,"endTime":1281.07,"body":"And so we provide people a place to go, get some self-care,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1281.23,"endTime":1285.71,"body":"sit in a sauna for 30 minutes, do some cold therapy for a few minutes,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1285.75,"endTime":1289.99,"body":"sit in the hyperbaric chamber, get an IV therapy nutrient drip to supplement your"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1289.99,"endTime":1294.62,"body":"nutritional needs. And people do that for 2 or 3 hours a week."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1294.86,"endTime":1300.5,"body":"And this sets up kind of like this self-fulfilling prophecy where you're coming in,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1300.54,"endTime":1303.62,"body":"you're thinking about your health, you're doing something about your health, you're"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1303.62,"endTime":1306.62,"body":"getting tested, and this is what's going to move the needle."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1307.02,"endTime":1312.82,"body":"And what's the proportion of in terms of the benefits between long term potential and"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1312.82,"endTime":1318.1,"body":"proven, scientifically proven long term benefits and just the here and now and the feel"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1318.14,"endTime":1321.82,"body":"good factor of, as you say, a little bit of self-care,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1321.82,"endTime":1324.18,"body":"a little bit of pampering in the in the hot sauna,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1324.22,"endTime":1326.9,"body":"the cryotherapy, whatever is good for you."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1327.14,"endTime":1332.82,"body":"What proportion is scientifically proven to at least extend our health span."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1333.14,"endTime":1334.74,"body":"As far as the technologies that we do?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1334.78,"endTime":1335.26,"body":"Yes."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1335.7,"endTime":1337.78,"body":"So let me be very clear."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1337.82,"endTime":1340.54,"body":"Most of the benefit is going to come from getting your nutrition,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1340.54,"endTime":1344.18,"body":"sleep, your exercise and movement and your stress management."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1344.18,"endTime":1346.86,"body":"Right. That's going to be 80% of the benefit."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1347.14,"endTime":1353.4,"body":"This adds that top 20% on to that where you can make changes faster and they're more long"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1353.4,"endTime":1359.64,"body":"lasting. I would say the technologies that we have in our clinics have been proven from"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1359.68,"endTime":1361.36,"body":"years and years of studies."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1361.4,"endTime":1367.0,"body":"So you might be familiar, there's massive studies on sauna use having more benefit than"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1367.0,"endTime":1371.64,"body":"any other therapy for reducing cardiovascular disease except for lowering cholesterol"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1371.64,"endTime":1374.2,"body":"levels with hyperbaric oxygen therapy."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1374.24,"endTime":1378.44,"body":"When I trained at the Mayo Clinic, we would actually use hyperbaric oxygen to treat people"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1378.44,"endTime":1383.28,"body":"that had strokes, had unhealing wounds or surgical problems."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1383.44,"endTime":1388.56,"body":"And so bringing that technology to the public before they're sick in the hospital setting"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1388.96,"endTime":1391.16,"body":"still has the same benefits."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1391.16,"endTime":1395.72,"body":"And so, we only bring technologies in that have proven benefit,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1395.72,"endTime":1397.16,"body":"and that's why we're doing them."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1397.2,"endTime":1401.72,"body":"And how do you open up those benefits and the opportunities to everyone?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1401.76,"endTime":1404.36,"body":"Because clearly there is a fee for this."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1404.4,"endTime":1407.16,"body":"And it is beyond the means of, of quite a lot of people."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1407.16,"endTime":1410.95,"body":"So how do you equalize it in terms of opportunity?"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1410.99,"endTime":1414.63,"body":"Yeah. So our plan is we're scaling now very rapidly."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1414.63,"endTime":1415.83,"body":"We have six locations."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1415.83,"endTime":1418.43,"body":"We're going to be opening 25 more in the next year,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1418.55,"endTime":1420.99,"body":"and hopefully 100 more in the next three years."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1421.23,"endTime":1427.63,"body":"With scale, we're going to drive costs down so people can do this at a even lower cost"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1427.67,"endTime":1430.67,"body":"that we're doing it now. So if you look at our price points right now,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1430.87,"endTime":1435.11,"body":"we have memberships that are $99 a month and even $300 a month."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1435.11,"endTime":1438.35,"body":"Now, a lot of people spend that amount on their gym memberships."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1438.51,"endTime":1444.63,"body":"What our goal is, is we have the health savings accounts in that people can put money in"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1444.63,"endTime":1447.59,"body":"every single year instead of paying for insurance,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1447.63,"endTime":1451.75,"body":"right, so they can put some money in before taxes are taken out into what's called the"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1451.75,"endTime":1453.03,"body":"health savings account."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1453.07,"endTime":1455.75,"body":"Right now, that's at $4,000 a year maximum."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1455.79,"endTime":1459.43,"body":"We're working with the government to increase that. But what we're trying to do is within"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1459.43,"endTime":1465.47,"body":"that $4,000 a year, be able to take care of all of these treatments for people,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1465.51,"endTime":1470.61,"body":"right. And so when we do that now instead of spending money on health insurance,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1470.61,"endTime":1474.97,"body":"you're spending money on your health savings account, which is preventative. 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I think a lot of people will still think the doctor is there."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1552.28,"endTime":1555.36,"body":"You get sick, you go and see the doctor and hopefully you'll feel better."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1555.36,"endTime":1559.04,"body":"But this other way of thinking, which I agree with you,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":1559.08,"endTime":1560.84,"body":"yeah, is that getting through to people."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1561.4,"endTime":1563.2,"body":"I think I think absolutely it is."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1563.24,"endTime":1567.28,"body":"I mean, in the United States, we have 90% of people that have some level of metabolic"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1567.28,"endTime":1571.48,"body":"disease. 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That's what I focus on."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1664.46,"endTime":1667.06,"body":"I do top it up with some supplements that I take,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1667.1,"endTime":1672.34,"body":"and I do also top it up with some using some of the technologies that we mentioned."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1672.3799999999999,"endTime":1677.54,"body":"Okay. 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I wanted to do it because of two reasons."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1972.8999999999999,"endTime":1977.45,"body":"I see a lot of patients, and I say the same things to a lot of people over and over and"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1977.45,"endTime":1982.61,"body":"over again. And when you're doing that, you realize that everyone needs this information."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1982.97,"endTime":1987.69,"body":"And so a podcast is a really good way to get that information to a lot more people."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1988.53,"endTime":1992.25,"body":"I'm not writing a prescription for everyone that comes to my office."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1992.45,"endTime":1997.25,"body":"90% of my time is spent talking about exercise,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":1997.53,"endTime":2003.09,"body":"sleep disorders, nutritional information and supplements that they should be considering."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2003.45,"endTime":2005.57,"body":"So why not tell everyone this information, right?"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2005.61,"endTime":2010.4099999999999,"body":"And so that was one reason. The second reason is because I'm actually the physician for a"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2010.4099999999999,"endTime":2013.8899999999999,"body":"lot of people that have large podcasts themselves,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2014.45,"endTime":2018.73,"body":"and they all told me you need to do a podcast and they will be on my podcast."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2018.77,"endTime":2021.57,"body":"And so, they're very gracious to offer that."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2021.57,"endTime":2026.69,"body":"And so I get to have these incredibly focused 1.5 hour conversations with some of the"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2026.69,"endTime":2028.29,"body":"smartest people in the world."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2029.1699999999998,"endTime":2031.49,"body":"And there's no phones, distractions."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2031.49,"endTime":2033.4099999999999,"body":"There's no one has a time limit."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2033.45,"endTime":2038.35,"body":"We've just carved out a couple of hours to have this beautiful conversation that can"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2038.3899999999999,"endTime":2039.55,"body":"benefit a lot of people."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2039.75,"endTime":2043.27,"body":"And so, honestly, I think it's the best thing I do now. It's the most it's the most fun"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2043.51,"endTime":2045.9099999999999,"body":"and inspiring thing that I can do is do this podcast."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2045.95,"endTime":2047.6299999999999,"body":"I look forward to it every single time."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2047.6699999999998,"endTime":2054.15,"body":"And as someone who has has moved really from practicing medicine full time to someone who"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2054.15,"endTime":2060.91,"body":"is now a communicator, an entrepreneur, how do you feel about that transition in your own"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2060.91,"endTime":2064.51,"body":"life? In other words, what do you get out of your own career path,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2064.51,"endTime":2067.35,"body":"which has changed quite significantly from those early days?"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2067.39,"endTime":2070.55,"body":"What inspires you to continue doing what you do?"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2070.67,"endTime":2078.67,"body":"Yeah. So when I was doing surgery on people that needed to get healthy first,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2079.27,"endTime":2082.67,"body":"but they had no way of getting healthy except for doing the surgery,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2083.39,"endTime":2085.07,"body":"it's actually kind of soul crushing."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2085.11,"endTime":2089.83,"body":"You know, I got really burnt out from that because you feel like you're not really making"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2089.83,"endTime":2092.98,"body":"a difference. You know, you might make a difference for that one person for that one that"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2092.98,"endTime":2097.2999999999997,"body":"one moment. But in reality, they need to change a lot of things,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2097.34,"endTime":2099.82,"body":"and people just didn't have that information before."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2099.86,"endTime":2104.42,"body":"And so now I'm inspired to wake up every single day and do the things that I do."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2104.7799999999997,"endTime":2110.34,"body":"And, I feel like, you know, this change for me is,"},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2110.34,"endTime":2111.7,"body":"is so much more fulfilling."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2111.74,"endTime":2113.46,"body":"You know, I feel fulfilled every single day."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2113.5,"endTime":2115.94,"body":"It's an exciting career and I wish you all the best."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2115.98,"endTime":2116.2999999999997,"body":"Dr. Shar thank you very much."},{"speaker":"Darshan Shah","startTime":2118.74,"endTime":2121.2599999999998,"body":"Thank you so much. It's so great to be here. Thank you for having me."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2121.5,"endTime":2124.7,"body":"The Live Long podcast is a Healthspan Media production."},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2124.74,"endTime":2127.7799999999997,"body":"I'm Peter Bowes. You can contact me through our website,"},{"speaker":"Peter Bowes","startTime":2127.7799999999997,"endTime":2132.58,"body":"livelongpodcast.com, where you'll also find show notes for this episode."},{"speaker":"Speaker4","startTime":2132.62,"endTime":2137.62,"body":"This podcast is for informational, educational and entertainment purposes only."},{"speaker":"Speaker4","startTime":2137.94,"endTime":2140.06,"body":"We do not offer medical advice."},{"speaker":"Speaker4","startTime":2140.34,"endTime":2145.5,"body":"If you have health concerns of any kind or you are considering adopting a new diet or"},{"speaker":"Speaker4","startTime":2145.5,"endTime":2149.2999999999997,"body":"exercise regime, you should first consult your doctor."}]}