In this edition of the 21 News podcast, reporter Madison Tromler speaks with Mike Madrid, one of the founders of the Lincoln Project. No doubt you've heard of them. They're the group of Republicans, including former John McCain staffer Steve Schmidt and George Conway, the husband of Kellyanne Conway,  who have split from the President and are now working to defeat him in November.

Now, they're putting their money where their mouths are, going live in Ohio with a new ad blitz urging GOP voters to cross party lines and vote for the Democratic nominee. 

Madrid, who is a former political director for the California Republican party, says the group is aiming to win over just a small sliver of Republicans who he believes would make the difference between who comes out ahead in November.