Paul Pressland joins us to talk about his enviable - and growing - Porsche collection. Paul has assembled one of the best ensembles of Porsche in the UK, and better still, he uses his cars on a regular basis - and isn’t afraid to share them! So what’s it like building and maintaining a collection featuring most 911 Rennsports, a factory ‘72 ST, and a 959? And most importantly, what are they like to drive? Follow Paul’s story on Instagram @the911goat @911str02_outlaw and @por911r Thank you for listening to 'Road to Redline', the Porsche and car podcast.
Paul Pressland joins us to talk about his enviable - and growing - Porsche collection. Paul has assembled one of the best ensembles of Porsche in the UK, and better still, he uses his cars on a regular basis - and isn’t afraid to share them! So what’s it like building and maintaining a collection featuring most 911 Rennsports, a factory ‘72 ST, and a 959? And most importantly, what are they like to drive? Follow Paul’s story on Instagram @the911goat @911str02_outlaw and @por911r Thank you for listening to 'Road to Redline', the Porsche and car podcast.
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upside, which had a very good friend of ours from down on the South Coast, Mr Paul Press Land Now Paul was building was clearly one of the best, the most eclectic porter collections anywhere in the UK Right now you think of a stellar Portia, and it's in the stable from most 9 11 Ren Sports to a Nun on seven Sport Classic and Original Factory 72 S, t. 959 and 11 are Magnus Walker's str to his load. A really, really cool stuff in there. What we wanted to know is, what's it like building a collection like this? What the cars like to drive? What's his favourite
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writers dive straight in then. So hopefully what we're going to find out is a bit about your I don't know what you call it eclectic, or would you call it quite a focus collection?
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I think it's an eclectic collection, Um,
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and where do you feel? Where do you feel like the obsession reports started? Where did that come from?
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9 11 conceived in 90 63 the same year I was conceived, and so there's obviously a cynic, you there, So each year there was a milestone for 9 11 It was also milestone for myself, but actually came from my father. I remember him turning up at the first time in a c p a. Brown 2.4 s, 9 11 And even to this day, that is still a car which you turn your head when you see one
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beautiful car, isn't it? You know, the ultimate long bonnet something. What was that To seven Iris.
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It would have been 73 car to the last about the last year they were produced. And then he followed that with a white three litre turbo with a full talk to the interior. Very period, very period. And that was followed by a bronze 3.3 turbo. And then the ah Montini, the 78 motor show car which he bought after and a couple of years off the most sure, he bought that car and he used to park. It is a very surgeon, and he was based in Lavender Hill in London, and he used to park that on the forecourt in front of the veterinary surgery on and on. And I just remember driving from Dorset to London, all over the country. He's besides being a better surgeon. He's a collector of antique ah, call toys. And his passion for that took him all over the country. Because you got to remember the supreme to that days. You couldn't log on and find things about your passion. You had to go out to meet people you had to go to. Auction house is on DH. So we used. We used to hurtle around the country at some sort of almost a wild goose chase, looking for some rare piece that might be in Devon. But of course, the pleasure of it was you were jumping in the 9 11 going down there on doing that.
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He didn't mind doing that then.
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No, not at all. On DH, I used to to relish it. I used to remember the power, particularly the turbo, that that's washing of sitting down in the back end of the car. Off you go. And very often, one of us where I had a brother and a sister, one of us would be in the back and you would have that that engine next to you in the raw. And so that was Ah ah suppose kick started my passion proportions.
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It's not bad. Kickstart it was I'd say it was a big, big step up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you ever Do you remember coming back as a kid with any random objects lodged in the
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porch? Ah, yes. Antiques. Yeah. Yet
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no way would he mainly collected template cars. And they're about the size of a shoebox. Yeah, maybe bigger. So invariably there'd be two or three of those, and they were quite valuable, but more so. They were fragile. And so if you were the one the back, you didn't want to be the one that you settlement Ah, trod on it or let it fall out or anything like that. So, yeah, there were some in some interesting interesting purchases and its fuel The passion for my brother in collecting on DH. Whereas I did never treated the collecting path until now.
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Ous funny. It makes a lot of people say that the rear bench in the 9 11 is a waste of space. Really? But I think you proved quite a country there,
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indeed. Of course. Bear in mind those days No compulsory seatbelt. And although obviously the worst seatbelts in the back of the 9 11 but now they're totally used. His Children, My Children wouldn't agree. Certainly not now being over six foot. But there have been times when they have bean in in the back of a 9 11
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say evolves. He'd grown up around 9 11 is his child. So what was your first portion purchase?
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That was actually when I was 18 years old. A bronze striped aftermarket. Left hand drive 9 to 4. Okay. With a chequered interior on, I believe. Actually, it was. It was by high end plastic seats on side
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vinyl. Eso issue right? 81. That would
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have bean. Then it was an ex correct Eggs registration X's neck, ext 4 to 7. Ah, x o l. Very good, like and it was drove to land's end. That's the first thing my mates and I did three of us in that we were We decided we're in the pub one night. We were gonna get up early next day and we will drive Bonanza and from Dorset and have breakfast. Problem is, we couldn't find it without breakfast in turns but memorable trip. And I think I have still have some of the photographs of that time in that car. So
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if you're going up around the Elevens, then what was the first car transaxle I
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was? Where I could afford and that actually is, is one of the one of the things about portion is that it is. It is a brand that is aspirational, but actually it's open to everybody because nowadays I believe you could buy a really good boxter for 3 £4000 all the way through to your half a £1,000,000 million cars, really rare cars and on, and I enjoy sharing my cars. It's a big passion for me, two for people to see, because the unicorn cars iconic cars that the because that fuels their passion. And actually, I mean, is enthusiastic about somebody's journey into their 1st 9 11 beta, 9 to 4 left hand drive or a Boxster or 996 which is such an accessible car into financially. But also people are able to work on the cars there to enjoy them on. It's the same. It's a camera. Audrey on DH. It doesn't matter way. I saw three Porsches came off the Wessex way, and I was sort of creating my neck to see what they were, because that's the sort of passion you have
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going back to you. Paul. I'll see your first calls, That transaxle you might like to share a couple of a couple of other cars along the way. But you've got a pretty fascinating storey today of a club sport which I think was quite painful for you at the time. But equally pivotal. Yes, it
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wass the so that the jury would I. But my next Portia wass a 996 Cabral a which I bought us. The career was progressing and yeah, I love that car. It was it was fantastic. It was virtually new. And then I started to look back and decided that I wanted something that was rarer. More for the weekends have in the garage, and I located a 9 11 club sport, I believe, 53 right hand drive cars and
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fabulous. This is the 3.2 Correra club sport. Correct. Excellent. Yet our monastic
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absolutely stunning car, absolute loved it. It was named clubby never to be. I think most of them are. And they were quite odd in that they there was no standard interior. I was really random choice of interior. And this one had a particularly unpleasant sort of murky blue cloth interior. But it was a Fabrice cost. Dr absolutely loved it, But that was owned in 2000. Reported in 67 6008 the world was turning into a pretty disastrous place. Credit crunch on DH. My brother had a 9 to 8. I had bad and we sat in the office one day and we said, The's cars gotta go because we've got to survive. The business had to survive when we saw the cars. And so the club sport went on. But business survived, and it allowed me now to actually pull another club sports.
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Has there been any cars that you've gone through your hands and back again? Is there any there's original cars that you come across later down the line? I mean, some people settle, search out original early cars that they were
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fondled? No, not yet. Not yet. I'm not sure after I've driven the
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eye candy as well. With land never bike, are you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Say that's painted a bit of a picture of the year, your back storey if you like, and journey into Porsche. So where are we at now? If you care to enlighten listeners, US. Tow this burgeoning collection, which we've sort of called rare and rent sport. To a certain degree,
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I'm curious about the time line as well. So he said that was circa 2008. When when did you start thinking about sort of building the collection again?
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So to answer your question, it was actually 2011. I was doing the usual thing, as boys do Your girls do as well, but surf the Internet, looking at 9 11 2 portions or cars in general, and I spotted online a 9 30 turbo. But this 9 30 turbo had the martini stripes, and they were an option that you could order on any 9 11 at the time. But this particular one caught my eye because it had what I believed was a genuine martini interior with the doctor firm and seats, which the ones with the pads on red, white and blue, and it was being advertised by a dealer in Yorkshire. He was subsequently become a friend and I rang. I mean, we had a long talk about it, and the market was still very weak. Generally, everything was weak property cars, and he was selling on behalf of somebody. And he said, Well, we don't really know much about the car. It had side skirts put on it. So it's quite squared off, sells it had a white leather steering will, which would probably be more at home in certain parts of London with around on DH. But I I'm a do er in life. Be that in my main business or or anything. And so I got in my car, drove up to Yorkshire, and I looked at it on DH. It wass categorically on original right hand drive. 9 30 Martini turbo correct interior and bear in mind that I knew these cars are sat in one. I've beat him one. I've seen Col. Moreland bag, and so I negotiated on. It took quite a while, and, you know, it sort of had to get the money together to it because wasn't so the car that you could probably finance. So we agreed a price had it inspected, and I bought that car on DH it wass for me that I remember the day I picked it up. It was just amazing. Went out with my brother and he was like, gobsmacked. He looked at it. It is it really is really, really is.
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Is that the one that you still got now?
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And that's the one I still have now.
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And the storey behind that was that I own the Karner, a good friend of mine. You guys now know Crisp. He's got a target. I knew the chaps Att, pool action, repair on glee on that was thie managing that at the time they were inching this sort of competition straight dealer excellence or body shop excellence to restoring nine Elevens on DH. They wanted to. They try to encourage Porsche born with to get involved with mine, and they wouldn't. Eventually, poor shredding picked it up. And so the body work was done and completely restored by Polacks and repair the car was taken up to reading sat in a workshop. I got pictures of it, sat there, surrounded by career a GTs,
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and he looked tiny, absolutely tiny. Ahs early nine eleven's do now. So
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did they rebuild it up? What was that? Yes, it was. But the remit
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wass on the body, Yes, that was completely done. But the interior and the mechanics, I asked them, t leave anything that was working, functional, had a good life, and then that was original. So it is not a nut and bolt restoration, which is something I don't. It's not my thing. Car needs to be usable. And so many of the original parts were kept. The engine actually didn't need to rebuild. It was just a couple things tweaked out. The gearbox did. Gearbox is a little crunch. That was dumb s o all original matching numbers is the big thing, but it is the original car with the matching numbers and it's bean. My remit is I want a fast road car route, usable road, car and leave actually driven the car. So I
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have loved every minute of it
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on thie. Exhausted is not original, but it has a certain sort of pinger
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year pops and bangs away, didn't it lovely soundtracked? Yes. Yeah, soundtrack.
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It does so so that that to answer your question is was my son Mac it and that that car not any gave B conversation with people, and I've met people through owning that. Com and I drove it when I parked, tipping that we talked to you on. That really was the rekindled passion. So with Portia, I think that Magnus Walker talks about Paul's passion. But actually, to me, it's passion. But it's also people. Yeah, and
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that's the real door opening cars now. I mean, that's that's a car that will get people talking. Definitely.
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Yeah, but also, it was the line into when I started talk to people and then that sort of started me to think going back Well, what the other rare models I've had the club sport, which was a rare model, and then So I started to then look around inside. What were other rare models? What were interesting, what was exciting. But of course, the market at that time wass 15 16 16 17 at leave a note. But yeah, it was running away. There were the prices being paid, the expectations, I think. Also, there may have been some cars that were not as good as they should have bean being passed on or sold out at levels that were at, but also that market will attract people if if prices of that level people are attracted to trying to make things into into something, they're not on DH eso. It coincided with our soldier business in about 15 months ago, and that coincided also with a downturn in in the demand on DH. There's no demand. Then prices weakened. Dealers was that there was stock. They had either promised great prices to people they had on seller return. Alternatively, they were owning stock on that stock cost. Um, think money to them, you know. And there are massive parallels between my business, which is property and the car market. In terms of your dealing with big ticket numbers. Most people's most expensive purchase the house or commercial property, and their 2nd 1 is their car on DH. So the parallels with understanding that they had issues with cash flow and so not taking advantage but fine one was able to buy much better cars of rare or transport at prices that I felt were about right on DH somewhere good, very good, and others were less
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also, isn't it? The market dictated that you're able to take your time so as well as the price is being a little bit favourable if you like the boy in years with 2014 15 and 16. If you didn't make a snap decision to buy a car at that moment, well, then the next person would like to say these cars that perhaps one as good as they were reported to be still went for huge money. Where, yeah, where? Where things have slowed down in the past, Certainly two years, you write. It allows the buyer to take their time, do their homework, be a lot more scrupulous and ultimately by the right car. I think that's probably what you've done. Well, I
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hope so. I agree with you, and that's also mentally the same with again the parallel with the property world. But buying it was this sort of fever. Andi didn't get on the ladder, and it was that I would take pressure. But there was genuine. That would be somebody else who would buy it. And you ah ee, I think the expression is you, Ah, decide in haste, repent at leisure and I think there were a lot of people who probably did get into cars if they'd gone back home reflected upon it. Talk to their friends. We all talked to our friends on buyer's remorse, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. And they may have that. Things will actually. Gosh, that one without the back seat really probably isn't gonna work when I got two Children at home and maybe they take a different path, but yes, you're right. And but also, I think a lot of the dealers and the people spoke to have more time for you because if they realise you were genuine buyer, you weren't gonna be a pushover. But you were genuine by, and you were able to take your time also to learn from them on. Yes, used them to a degree because you're taking their knowledge of the marketplace. They've seen it go up and down. But also, you can take the time to learn the cars that have been around the block many times.
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There's two ways as well, isn't it? If the dealer is willing to accept that these things take time as much as the buyer, well, then you might buy a car from them, but then also down the line, you might buy a second car from them when you go, Teo, if you have one car, you trade any you want to move on, you think we'll have built relationship this dealer. And crucially, I trust that dealer. So actually providing the dealer is prepared toe except the waiting game that is sometimes very apparent in Porter buying circles. It's to their benefit as well, because you might have a customer for 10 15 years or for life
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very much. So a man again. The parallel with industry and businesses is the same. It I still do business with people that I've known for 2030 years, and that is the relationship that you want to build with with the dealers. And the deal is with you, but also you. They get to know you and a car comes forward and that you'll get that phone call and you say I've been offered this sport classic and the guy wants to sell air alert, but he just wants to do it privately, off, market without, and so you will get that phone call. You will get that opportunity, but it is that it's about building sustainable business for the the dealers, and I think that they perhaps lost sight of that in a raging market when a bull market on that. But that's the same in in most industries. You've got to go back to your core. There is a core passion for port. There is a core buyer for it. And I think a lot of people came into the marketplace who were speculating on DH. Yeah,
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I think some of those are going to catch a cold. So I think people still sitting on cars where they paid way over the odds and, yeah, they're no actually interested in actually holding that long term, and I think they were unsure what to do with it. I'm sure that's they'll come to market
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and the true enthusiasts if you buy a car and actually the return the dividend for me is the pleasure in a owning it, sharing it, but driving it, you go out there and you drive it. And yes, you got your money invested, you made that choice. But that was a moment in time. But you still have the ability to walk into the galaxy that car or think about planning a journey going toe, Mr. Scramble, whatever it is you want to do you see? That is the return you get. If you If you don't have that desire compassion, then you're right. You're sat on something that you get your money. Nothing out ofthe eyes will
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buy shares in the stock market. So you can't see if you just Oh, yeah. I think people are investing in classic cars because somebody said, Oh, it's, uh it's good for lots of reasons and they only go up and tax advantage. It'll the other all the storeys that are rolling around that time I think you jumped on that bandwagon. This yeah, moved on, but in a good way. I think so. If they say that if you are you requiring you required quite a few cars in a relatively short amount of time over over that period, you now starting to get those dealers come to you. You getting those phone calls to say we've got one of these, You interest in one of those? Yeah, there's a rare something coming to market. And how often does that happen?
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That yes, I am. And not only that, they're actually bringing me to ask me what I think. It's worth
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really great place to their defence, if you want. I name your prize. Yeah, I had
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an example. I was wrong yesterday about sport Classic right hand drive UK car 4000 miles from you. And the dealer was running saying I've got a client has got this and I'm not quite sure where the price point is at the moment. So we talked it through. I'm not 100 grand off. Suddenly
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you have Teo. Indeed, indeed
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on DH? No. And he's the dealer I know well and has become a friend. And I advise him, and I said, Look, this is where you need to pitch it. If the guy wants out of it quickly on door wants me that somebody to underwrite, I'd certainly consider it because I just think that they are just a fantastic car on 250 worldwide.
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Yeah, it's amazing. Cars. I'm not That was a post a car for me for a long time on, because it was quite is such still an unknown car. I think you know so many people now, you could take a sport classic and park on the street somewhere and no, you know, 99% of people walk straight past it, not realising how special that car is.
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Yeah, those that know that. Oh yes, but also I think in a way, it's a victim of its own limited numbers because they they were so limited. The market was just touch takeoff and therefore they were stepped up and put a pill in cheese. Have some dealers say they were difficult to sell at the time and that's partly because perhaps people didn't understand them, But they are. Do you think that the their limited number and then being a lot than being tucked away has meant that people don't really understand them? But I think that will change.
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I've only seen two. That was one was in the Porsche Museum, stood guard on the other, was yours and following yours, them some nice roads. I think we were going Tio Otto Bahn OK, yeah, it's hangs museum, the museum, just following that thing. It just ice looks never president more than this,
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E. I think that also you you look at it and say that they had to get type of proof for that car because of the roof and so that the money that they put in to create That was very silly of never sold in America on DH. There are There are there is one that's sold in America. Very, very strong money, but they can't drive it. You gotta wait until 25 years old, I believe, until you can drive it in state in 2010
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so that it doesn't have American approval. Correct. So this if he seems a nice knowing
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exactly. So with 959 you had some very famous and wealthy owners. Bill Gates raffle draw on DH. The chap Bruce can an apple. Yeah, got together with a number of those. In fact, I think if you listen to his storey and it was a lawyer, I believe in Washington who advised him, and they found this loophole about this shows ability, show cars on DH. Then they just sort of slowly work their way through it and eventually got the cars legal into into the States. And I received from the market 959 market That that's opposite opens up a whole new 300 million people living there who could, could potentially could potentially want to own one, and ah, but he's then going down the route of modifying them and taking them to the next stage of 800 horsepower and changing the suspension. Changing the wheels changing country. There's bean improvements, which I think you're amazing like the headlights. But I'm not convinced that taking a 959 to that level
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I need that car. And then, as we've discussed before, I think the whole point that underlines just how awesome and iconic the 959 is. Is that a lot ofthe technology piloted on that car. It's still used ineffective in nine eleven's today, and that's 30 years on. Absolutely incredible.
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Yeah, did the four wheel drive twin turbos
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just will sustain you?
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Uh, maybe a so that that was around. But there were Tell me things and somebody may drive a 959 now. And if you're used to a even a 993 turbo where you used to a 96 seven and certainly 991 and you may say, Well, it's a bit antiquity, but you've got to remember that where it where it wass at that time that the sort of cars that were around 40 came along a year later. And yes, but what's This work's fantastic. It doesn't extra three miles an hour faster and gets over 200. But to driver there 40 for more than 30 or 40 miles is quite hard work. With the 959 you could happily jump in that car drive to the south of France.
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And it's not that speed people ask me about your way went up to Mr Scramble and quite a few people said, What is the 959 like? And I said it. Well, it's like the future still today, I guess it was the way that it performs is kind of so smooth.
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Yeah, e I think you described it very well. It was almost like a sort of magic carpet. When the second turbo cuts in, the whole castle lifts and goes again and it's happy, and I'm able to compare it with other cars and slightly later era of 993 Turbo And there are certain roads I go down and the suspension on the 959 is just for normal compared with those on the technology behind. It was just amazing.
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Just seemed to soak up every there was times when I was looking down the road and I was like cringing What? What's it gonna hit that? And it just three of the top. It is like we're in a role or something. It was just unbelievable.
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Yeah, because the suspension just as well. So the harder you drive that suspension works with you on DH. It is incredible. Absolutely not. I'm just incredibly privileged to own one on DH wasn't expecting too. But these things come along in life if you don't grab them at the time. I
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think this is exactly why we wanted to get you on this podcast board. Because the difference between you and certainly another collector I know is that you are so willing to drive these cars. And there's an enthusiast. I think they so, so, so important. And you genuinely love driving the cars that you generally get a kick out of driving them and believe that it should be driven rather than stored. So you you absolutely are the exception and not the many. I'm afraid
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the the driving comes out once he's drive. Thumb is, um because I, as you say, absolutely love it. I like getting up in the morning. And if I've got to get to London, I will then say Take the whatever it is and I will drive that car. I'm lucky enough to have secure parking in London. Say that works really well and I got the point now where I leave a couple cars in London. So even I'm going out in London in the evening, I might take a car out, but to me, portions have always been about being driven the whole heritage. If you look at the history with the founders and that it was always about the driving of the cars and that is the pleasure for me and then by driving them and shit and you're sharing them because you're showing the people and the instagram. Now I think it's an incredibly powerful tool for the car world for many worlds, in the ability that the people were there and they want to take pictures of it, they get a thrill of it is the equipment of the poster that we all had on the walls on their share that, and they see that somebody who owns he's prepared to share it with them, and I remember going to the shirt born classic car show about the castle, and they all wanted me to take the martini attic that I must have had, uh, 30 Children, fathers taking pictures. Their Children sat in that car. And if one of those Children's inspired him on, DH wants to own a portion, the future to me, that's that's fantastic in the garbage donned the the dad's sort of turning more. The mom's turning rounds are amazing, and that is part of the pleasure of it.
spk_2: 29:09
Someone's portions. So it could be starting right there, right at that moment, you know, it's really special.
spk_3: 29:14
It is. Well, I think I probably told that Storey before that the, um, the martini that my father had, which was the motor show car he owned a number of years after the show. But that was the car that inspired Magnus, Walker said. That Martini, the saw and its intro to is the Martini Tower, bro. Wass the car that my father and so there was something there that that's that your Magnus was somebody from Sheffield who goes over to America and makes an incredible success of his life in many ways and but he shares a passion. He shows his cars, and here's these constant doing that.
spk_2: 29:50
Is that why? Because most of the cars in your collection, our factory cars on DH factory standard specifications. I know there's an S t in there, which is incredibly cool. But aside from that, Magnus Walker's str too is that the only soft modified or outlaw car in the collection.
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I have a brand sport, okay, built by poor cockle up Att Bren Sport, which is was quite a deliberate because I wanted something that was completely and utterly usable on DH. Rain shine, grit on the roads. Whatever it is, it wasn't it wasn't going to compromise a a factory rare car because that yes, there is a balance. I do use them. But there is a balance and horrible winter days. Where's that's a car that I could use
spk_1: 30:44
That was that a car is built to spec for You
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know, it wasn't it was actually built for somebody else who then decided they didn't want him. Okay, but and therefore the spec is ridiculously high. It's got a carbon roof on DH or exhaust system, which is not not particular. My taste. But it was again the moment in time where it was available there and then, and I bought that on DH it, then get me and shook his actual Newport's father through business many years earlier. And so given into into Porter, is actually currently building me another car, which is going to be much more to my taste on spec. It's going to be I can reveal it now. Brewster Green.
spk_2: 31:23
Very good, Good. Never happy green over there they get.
spk_1: 31:27
Can you give us any more insight into that car or the spec or what's planned?
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It's It's pretty much based around the one I've got, because I like it's gonna be a 3.8 litre engine. It is based on a 964 career afore. I prefer that the four wheel drive with short again it is using it all the time. And every day that surety is quite good. I travel up and down the A 31 on that is cumbia. Quite a tricky road. Att Night on DH. I just prefer that surety full of in hotel, so it'll be all wired up with with stuff that allows me to communicate on DH to have ways and all those things probably going to go for a single risk type interior again, very much based around comfort. Still of a driveable car. But very much is an everyday machine on Arthur, as I call them daily
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is that your plan teases a dating
spk_3: 32:27
much? Yes, it is. I'll probably sell that The Nahda Grey one, which I've got on DH. I was actually really lucky. I've seen on on number plates as well. I managed to find my surname being press line P R e. I actually got none. Plates 73 pre say that's so doubles up with me. And also it's going to a 73 73 car. Ah ah, nde. So yet it's very much going to be dated, but probably actually based in London and that when I very used to not a great car in London, I cannot tell you I literally every time I get in and out of that car, I get stopped and asked questions about it, and I think that's been called a lot of singer effect on that.
spk_2: 33:07
You feel like that is not
spk_1: 33:09
That's a wave. That's that we're going down the back end off now because of you. The whole outlaw singer style was it got so big so quickly, and then I feel like it's fizzled
spk_2: 33:19
out a little bit. I think it's in
spk_3: 33:22
a low. I'm not convinced it's it's fizzled out. I think that people will look to me like those. The only problem with it is that you are starting to take a lot of stock of particularly 96 fours out of the marketplace. I think there were a lot of 332 career era's, but the 964 in particular. If you look a donor cards now that they're going on, every single one that has done is to is to out the marked ones taken. It's not in the marketplace, so if you try and find a 964 down a car, it is very, very difficult. But actually, slightly more worrying is that somebody who really wants a lovely 964 is going to struggle to find one because expensive, they are expensive. I bought about a friend, found one for a friend and he's having a red sport built at the moment and we paid mid thirties for those cars. Quite
spk_1: 34:15
strong for a donor card you think they're gonna do to, isn't it Edie's? But that's the going rate for
spk_3: 34:21
that is the guy. I mean, yes, they were 25 30,000. Absolutely not. Now.
spk_1: 34:25
I remember a friend by month, but I think it was 10 grand on this was No. I think this was maybe 2010. Something like that. Yeah. Until I believe, 10 grand on at the time, any. So it needs to do a few bits and bobs to it. And, you know, Portia tax on a few parts and just kind of put him off it, and he sold it within a few weeks. But you really have a choice as well. Crazy choice for few at that sort of level, I think. Slate Grey, black lady. And it was a beautiful looking car, but it just wasn't head for the, I
spk_2: 34:57
think the unloved 9 11 for years and years and years until the nun on six Come on. Real fine. Yeah, the phrase. Yeah,
spk_3: 35:06
the evolution of the 9 11 the 996 It was taken to the noah and is you know, I'm very, very fond of 196 had my
spk_2: 35:15
admirable taste pull admirable taste deep.
spk_3: 35:17
Well, I have my Arctic. So over with them diarrhoea coloured interior. But it said sits for it in London today, and it's sitting beneath the 959 So the silver and the silver together when I find lines on the on the on the upper deck. Um, but your point about when cars with that price is that fortunately, a lot of people didn't maintain them properly. Artistry and with portions. I think that that is okay because the cars are robust, no doubt about it. The basics. That road, that you don't have to do an awful lot to a portion to get it going again. Whereas if you take things like the Ferrari market, when that dip with 3 28 on DH, those cars, when they were on the market was down on those or 308 Mondale's, they were once they fell off the maintenance schedule. It's a very big time to come back up into,
spk_1: 36:17
I guess. I guess that's what the single sight thing is doing that for the 96 for, isn't it? Is there are There are There were a lot of unloved 96 keep alive isn't around here and they come back to life. I'm personally love a singer. Yeah, Yeah. Could you? Yeah. I think from an engineering point of view, I think I think the thing that detail is incredible And I think it's only when you really start to study those cars, You realise how far they go and how many small details are. I think there's
spk_3: 36:46
a people always want to knock. And then this is something you find out as you delve into the Porsche world in terms of dealers, manufacturers and back Data's is that people do tend to want to, oh, knock other people's product, promote their own, and with singer that there's been a bit of that. But actually, when you start to delve into it, they do do it properly on DH
spk_1: 37:07
when they look at the wiring. Lee. Yeah, it's all aircraft grade and connectors, bayonet type fitting connectors. This rule I level stuff.
spk_3: 37:16
Yeah, and I don't think that somebody like Williams would would partner up with them if there wasn't that really passion for the engineering on that side of it. And I've seen the engine. I haven't seen the car, but But you're talking, I think the thick end of £2 million for for that For that version, Yeah, that is getting with singers that there was a lonely that market at the second hand ones. But now they do. They do sell, and they are selling for probably what those people paid for them on DH going forward have been tempted. Yeah, I've been in touch with them, chatting away to them, and it is something. But it's a large financial commitment to to enter into a singer project because it's dona car stage payments and you're not really seeing anything. Whereas you could go into the marketplace and say, for example, by 993 turbo s and you can use it tomorrow.
spk_1: 38:18
Yeah, on where the EU's single market, I mean, is there during those opportunities there are they still too few and far between. I think
spk_3: 38:25
there are. There are very few right hand drive ones on DH. That is where that there is a Dorset. Commissioner
spk_2: 38:31
is here to stand it.
spk_3: 38:32
Yeah, I don't know whose it is. Gulf Blue, I think. Well, It may not be golf blue, but it's certainly a light blue. And I would love it. Sold his one, which I think was the Monaco edition. He's selling the Amsterdam. I quite like the way they brand them and name them. So people couldn't
spk_1: 38:52
great piece of marketing on their themselves. I think they were. The way they do all of that is is well thought out. Yeah. Does anybody driven one? No, no, no, not yet, I'm afraid. Did you see him, Henry? Catch pose video? I did, thank you very much. That's just released this week. Yeah, there is a video
spk_3: 39:09
on DH. That, in a way, was was somebody who was completely independent going in and driving that car on saying, Yeah, there is something about this Andi
spk_1: 39:19
smile on his face within 30 seconds of the start of the video is like, Okay, yeah,
spk_3: 39:25
but again that you can, you can There is the singer, and one of the price point of those is 56 700,000 pounds dollars. Remaining differences is fairly telephone numbers, but the thing is that that will inspire other people. And you talk about the back dates and that that somebody can find something and was still sort of looking for the person. You sort of have to be perfect. The backdating or what? Or modifications for 996
spk_2: 39:52
Yeah, you've said on a previous podcast. Actually, there was that moment in Paul's anniversary card. That was almost like the celestial moment for you in the 996 wasn't it? Definitely
spk_1: 40:02
turned my head, I think. I mean, yeah, that reached that little road trip. You started in the dark and yeah, jumped in it and we just rave. And he was quite strange that as the as the sun came up suddenly actually realises actually sat in. It was a nice place to bay. And it was a real surprised not to see Auntie 996 Just never particularly spent much time. Yeah, it was just the unloved model that didn't take the interest May. And it did kind of my eyes. I mean, that's a particular special car. Yeah, to be fair, but it was Yeah, they're actually that yet they think they're much better than we give them credit for. And I think that's their the unsung sort of portion. The moment I'd say
spk_2: 40:41
what two questions for you, Paul, perhaps to finish unless the guys, when they're financing else in first of all, what's next? Or where's the collection going to next?
spk_3: 40:52
In terms of actual cars? Ah recently acquired a 1965 car number. A chassis number 517 say one of the one of the 1st 200 cars surviving, if that is the way of describing it, that there's a lot that on on found. So plan with that is to ah, the interior is amazing. I mean, so intact S o. The idea would be to slightly make it more upstate in terms of handling. But much more than that. No, probably a bit on the brakes. But try and keep it as original as possible but respectful that are wrote a very different There's a lot more cars on the road and say with that career, a GT there's got to be on the list Mex, um eats And I think with this era of hybrids and more and more legislation coming in, more more electric cars is that people will focus back towards the last off. The true petrol
spk_2: 41:56
doesn't get much more say than a high revving V 10 it doesn't seem to think is up to the hybrid brigade.
spk_3: 42:01
Yeah, they've said My brother missed you the other day and said he saw a wonderful number plate on A on a Range Rover, which was P 0 11 ut. It was very good. But so certain Kro GT, and then then really a 918 doesn't interest me at all again. It's that sort of hybrid area, plus also that the price point is still very high on DH. So it will be then, looking at the collection on DH. Pat's wiggling out, some in filling and really thin things that sort of catch catch one's eye on then, as I do now. But go on, enjoy them or so trips abroad. We talk this evening earlier on about perhaps going to one of the two litre Cup race. Is that the one of those? And also we've talked about the Porsche Museum going over there and just getting out there and enjoying them, but also saying to the Porsche dealers and to people that if you've got an event coming up, I've got a three litre Turbo is the first Turbo, you got a new turbo launch. If you want one of the first and the last on DH because it's so much of the brand is about the heritage on DH. Seeing how this is evolved in the engine, we gotta remember that Porsche had its ups and downs financially. Times they were they were really, really strapped with when the 959 years bill. It's
spk_2: 43:27
off the back of that. Then Paul again, someone that's snapped up a fair few of these cars in the current market places well, I wonder if you've got any tips that you could perhaps give our listeners if they're entering the market to look for for any car, any Portia,
spk_3: 43:42
any Portia has to be early. 99 sixes. I think they're fantastic value for money. They're fantastic cars to drive on DH with with not a lot, just some new suspension and a few little tweaks. You can really get into the brand. Enjoy that brown. It's a great stepping stone on. Actually, I think they're a good investment you can still buy them for, but I bought one for under £10,000 but I think you still can still buy good ones for 9 10 11 £12,000. Andi can easily see that being a £20,000 car, it doesn't take much. You've said you drove us 996 and suddenly you've sort of got got it slightly about what they were about. And I think that people will do that. Boxers I think that some of the earlier boxers up a great buys
spk_1: 44:30
think they're seeing a bit of resurgence. Somebody on their books is the early when they come back around. The early stuff, I think, is starting to tip the classic balance, some probably getting to the point where the real shooters died. Yeah, they go on, Yeah, it's you get the good stuff that's left.
spk_3: 44:46
But I think also that you've got to consider that people are going to be driving electric cars or we're gonna be cycling or we might have improved infrastructure and public transport and we're all going to be using it. Electricity t move around in that case with electric cars and therefore people will still one hanker after something, perhaps in the garage that they can use the daily when they want to do with weekends on the wonderful thing about a 999 11. Whether it's a any of the era, it is usable. You can put luggage is that you can do it on. The other thing is, you can get into it, turn the key and it will start on so your weekend isn't frustrated by flat may charge the battery, but it's not frustrated by in our league here. Although, Andi, I think no, no, no, no. On 70 GS is particularly manuals.
spk_2: 45:36
If you can find one year,
spk_3: 45:38
if you can find one. Um, certainly no. Nine threes and just just that the whole site, the car and the feel of it is, But they are still totally capable of keeping up more than keeping up with with modern day traffic on DH. My vote. You know, they're not on threesome, just a really pretty car.
spk_1: 46:02
So poor. I think we covered them quite a lot of stuff on back here to do with your classics on DH. Some really interesting historic cars off. Steve got in amongst all stable. There's this a modern metal in there, so I think that we have not missed out on. So what's your what's your go to when it comes to the more recent stuff that obviously is. It might be more interesting to certain people, but to the purest, obviously, that the older cars more interesting. But yeah, the Instagram worthy followers, they're going to be wanting to know what the modern stuff is
spk_3: 46:34
the monster for Have nine to see. Four s
spk_1: 46:38
tell us about the nine, too, because I know a couple of people that have had them for five minutes and given them back because they got bored. E What's your opinion? The 992? I could
spk_3: 46:48
understand that, but one of the first things I did, I've driven it twice to Scotland, and when you get it out there on the open roads with the sport, plus everything else that it's still a 9 11 it's still you can get it by the scruff of the neck and drive it hard, and then you get back on the motorway and relax and carry on. I totally understand why, why people think that and you just need to give it time on. It's a great car.
spk_1: 47:16
What about other sort of 991 s come in this Is there still a speedster in the collection?
spk_3: 47:22
I have a 9911 on one collection prizes off a speedster on DH 1/50 and a touring and rocks on our on our Don't forget the are
spk_1: 47:35
coming out of that line up. If you know what you go, Teo,
spk_3: 47:43
the ah would be the go to the touring in the Arctic and interesting. And believe me, you've done a comparison between the two and you and I spent 400 miles of virtue for 100 miles in a day and a touring the touring is Bumi and noisier than they are that they are maybe 5% better here or there. But the whole thing together, the sum of the parts come together to make something very special. Plus is a limited run car. And for the Tories, amazing toys, actually, probably a rare a car in the UK, much rarer car, probably in the UK I think it's probably under 50 Certainly maybe even under 40 right hand drive tour ings, and I think they will be a not at the prices they started out, but the price they're coming down to they will be a goodbye and long term. They will be an interesting a collector's car because there will be so few offthe.
spk_1: 48:33
Um, yeah, I do like the touring. A quite special model like that will be a huge to come, I think. Definitely 50th. I
spk_3: 48:42
was 50 yet public. I was 50 the same same year. Is it? So there was a special Connexion to save the 40th. I don't have 1/30. That would be something. Unfortunately, was pursuing one, but he got bought by somebody reads me well known, who is currently taking a part, I believe on DH so that the 53 is a wonderful car. Is just that the interior that it's just a really special amazing combination. Yeah, mine's black, which is a lot of people fancy the Ginza,
spk_2: 49:13
Giza ground, Kisa Grey, All
spk_1: 49:16
the ones I've seen being great.
spk_3: 49:17
Yeah, that doesn't take much to grace us than the light in the dark. That doesn't really take Take my box on on black so much that my real default on colours is is I've always loved black black cars, but Porsche silver as well on obviously green
spk_1: 49:34
Excellent. And I think one last thing we should definitely wrap up with which we've we've done to all our guests so far has gotta be our 10 question challenge.
spk_2: 49:42
10 Portia questions. Yes. So they say 10 quickfire questions that quite simply pull require quickfire answers, please. If you're ready, I'm ready. Okay, so we'll go straight in with air or water. Yeah. Favourite portion model MP three rs Favourite. Portia Colour Black Ultimate Portia Icon 959 Favourite track Nurburgring To fish or not to fish to shim stock or hot rod stock. This is cars again. Obviously athletic or bubble butt athletic. Yeah. So he's got now everybody cars and coffee or a track day cousin. Coffee eyes that came in a real portia to finish up. Yes, that was Paul. We really appreciate you being on this podcast. A say we have eternal admiration for you because you use your cars and we'll say to fellow just listening to this, make sure you look out for Paula. Many events up and down the country throughout the year is easily recognisable as the bloke with the biggest smile on his face on
spk_1: 50:58
the queue of people waiting to get in his car. Put that open offer out to the world. Anyone comes in which
spk_2: 51:03
you might now Yeah,
spk_3: 51:05
I'm idea. But I'm sure I won't. But I think that for me, using the cars is actually then about meeting the people and sharing those with the forces were built to be driven on. That's what you should do with them on DH. Share that with our people. And we then the next generation come along in the enjoy the cars too.
spk_1: 51:26
I absolutely think you definitely keeping it alive. And I think that there's a legacy there that I think's gonna follow. So yeah, he's very admirable.
spk_3: 51:33
Yeah, well, this Magnus is Was it that don't slow?
spk_2: 51:36
Ugo, thank you very much indeed.