Rich Birch, from the UnSeminary Podcast and unseminary.com joins the guys to talk about his work at UnSeminary, AND how to think about needed systems, simply, in your small church. Lots of fun and very helpful! Rich is the author of Unreasonable Churches: 10 Churches Who Zagged When Others Zigged and Saw More Impact Because of It. These are not the famous churches we all hear about. They’re churches in Everytown, USA and you can find the book at www.unreasonablechurches.com.