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But"},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3154.17,"endTime":3157.83,"body":"before we wrap, you know, close"},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3154.17,"endTime":3157.83,"body":"out the session, why don't you"},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3157.86,"endTime":3161.04,"body":"let us know what you're working"},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3157.86,"endTime":3161.04,"body":"on now and where people can go"},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3161.04,"endTime":3162.54,"body":"to find you if they want to"},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3161.04,"endTime":3162.54,"body":"learn more?"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3163.41,"endTime":3164.82,"body":"up. Okay, so"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3164.82,"endTime":3167.28,"body":"what am I working on now? Well,"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3164.82,"endTime":3167.28,"body":"I'm actually working on a book"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3167.28,"endTime":3173.82,"body":"called the stories I told told"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3167.28,"endTime":3173.82,"body":"myself Go figure. Hope to have"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3173.82,"endTime":3178.95,"body":"that out in 2021. But I have a"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3173.82,"endTime":3178.95,"body":"new group coaching program"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3178.95,"endTime":3183.15,"body":"starting in January, called the"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3178.95,"endTime":3183.15,"body":"power up. And it really is about"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3183.81,"endTime":3187.02,"body":"creating intentions and goals"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3183.81,"endTime":3187.02,"body":"for a three month period,"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3187.02,"endTime":3190.44,"body":"something you want to accomplish"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3187.02,"endTime":3190.44,"body":"in three months. And and we"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3190.47,"endTime":3193.74,"body":"tackled those goals, but we also"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3190.47,"endTime":3193.74,"body":"tackled the stories, the"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3193.98,"endTime":3196.8,"body":"negative narrative, the camp"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3193.98,"endTime":3196.8,"body":"dialogue that gets in the way,"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3197.04,"endTime":3200.46,"body":"so that we can change that so"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3197.04,"endTime":3200.46,"body":"that you by the end of three"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3200.46,"endTime":3204.33,"body":"months, you get to where you"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3200.46,"endTime":3204.33,"body":"want to go. And people can reach"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3204.33,"endTime":3208.68,"body":"me at what's within you. That's"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3204.33,"endTime":3208.68,"body":"what's within you the letter"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3208.68,"endTime":3209.67,"body":"u.com."},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3210.21,"endTime":3213.21,"body":"Excellent,"},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3210.21,"endTime":3213.21,"body":"excellent. And obviously, if you"},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3213.21,"endTime":3216.96,"body":"miss any of that, my contact"},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3213.21,"endTime":3216.96,"body":"information stays the same. And"},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3216.96,"endTime":3221.7,"body":"you're welcome to get the"},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3216.96,"endTime":3221.7,"body":"information for me as well. So"},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3221.73,"endTime":3224.73,"body":"you know, with that, I'm going"},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3221.73,"endTime":3224.73,"body":"to go ahead and wrap things up."},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3224.73,"endTime":3227.49,"body":"And Pam, thank you so much for"},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3224.73,"endTime":3227.49,"body":"taking the Oh,"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3228.66,"endTime":3230.7,"body":"it's always a"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3228.66,"endTime":3230.7,"body":"pleasure to be with you. Are you"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3230.7,"endTime":3234.69,"body":"kidding You are such a bright"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3230.7,"endTime":3234.69,"body":"light and it's an honor and I"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3234.69,"endTime":3238.17,"body":"wish you a wonderful Happy Happy"},{"speaker":"Pam Thomas","startTime":3234.69,"endTime":3238.17,"body":"2021"},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3238.98,"endTime":3241.95,"body":"thank you so much"},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3238.98,"endTime":3241.95,"body":"and I wishing you the very same."},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3242.55,"endTime":3245.73,"body":"And so until next time, I'd like"},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3242.55,"endTime":3245.73,"body":"to tell everyone thank you for"},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3245.73,"endTime":3249.99,"body":"tuning in. And this is Jacob"},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3245.73,"endTime":3249.99,"body":"Francine with Pam Thomas and"},{"speaker":"Jakob Franzen","startTime":3249.99,"endTime":3251.52,"body":"we're living this big life"}]}