The kids aren't alright is our latest theme. Based on a true story, "Rivers Edge" (1986) is about a group of high school kids who don't feel or do much of anything after one of them kills his girlfriend. Also based on a true story, "Bully" (2001) takes us to South Florida where a bunch of not-so-bright teenagers decide to kill a friend who is a bully.
Next, affairs gone bad with "Little Children" (2006) and " The Housemaid" (2010).
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The kids aren't alright is our latest theme. Based on a true story, "Rivers Edge" (1986) is about a group of high school kids who don't feel or do much of anything after one of them kills his girlfriend. Also based on a true story, "Bully" (2001) takes us to South Florida where a bunch of not-so-bright teenagers decide to kill a friend who is a bully.
Next, affairs gone bad with "Little Children" (2006) and " The Housemaid" (2010).
Have your own recommendations? Contact the show:
24theroadshow@gmail.com
Uno, uno, dos. Welcome to Two for the Road Movies with Matt and Adam. I am Matt and I'm Adam. Today we are a movie pairing podcast. Every so often we will recommend a movie that's pick a theme, recommend a movie the other person has not seen based on the theme, watch and discuss. And we come with a 25 year age difference so we've seen a lot of different movies. Very special holiday episode this week. So just to open up Matt, what's wrong with us? As you're watching these movies this week I was just like, it's Christmas. What am I doing with my life? Yeah, I mean they're like the same movie. One's from the 80s and one's from the 2000s. It's basically the same story. Based on true stories, both of them. What is wrong with our society? I was thinking what's wrong with me and you after watching these movies. What am I doing? It's just dark. They're dark in different ways. What's our theme? Troubled teens? To put it lightly. Teens gone bad? I don't know. Yeah. River's Edge. River's Edge was kind of fun. I mean it's a great movie. Crispin Glover. All out Crispin Glover. Oh, he was at an 11. He needs to be tested after that performance. What's in his blood? What's going on here Crispin? Because he was just going for it. Yeah, he was. When you outshine Dennis Hopper in a movie. That's the crazy one. Yeah, that's quite the achievement. Dennis Hopper with a blow up doll. But who's the crazy one? It's Crispin Glover. Yeah, he's like the perfect opposite for Keanu Reeves who's so kind of quiet and not a lot of emotion. Yeah, that's Keanu still figuring out what acting is. I enjoyed it. No, you'll never see a movie like this. Definitely not now. It's so understated. When you watch what's happening you're like, okay. It's not shocking, but it's deeply disturbing. Yes, that these young people can be the way they are. It's true. I was not familiar with the director or the writer. I'm not familiar with either one of them. I looked them up. I've not seen anything that they've done. Research department checking in. Not so interesting. They still work in the directorate. Well, that was in 2004. They've got 84 credits, most of them TV. They've got a house and the car is paid for so they're doing fine. It's surprising because this movie is so well written and so well directed. I'm surprised they didn't get bigger. Maybe you're really good at doing one thing because this movie definitely has a tone that stays consistent throughout. I'm not sure that that translates across genre or audience. That's true. It's almost like he went directly back into television after this. He did a few movies, but most of it's television. You've got to pay the bills, man. You're talking about the director or the writer? Tim Hunter, the director. I remember seeing this when it first came out. I was like, what the fuck? Was this in the theaters in 1986? Now I have to pull the box off as we were mentioning it. I can't imagine this being in the theaters. Budget estimated $1.9 million. Wow. That much? That's for Dennis Hopper, half of it. And then Worldwide Gross, $4.6 million. I just looked up the writer. I don't see anything. He only has seven credits. Last one was $95 million. I guess he retired. Or passed away. Maybe just being a producer or something. You never know. Or maybe just became a really devoted father. Who knows? We never know with these things. This movie opens at a river's edge. Already you're promised what was promised. We see this little kid who is in third place as far as craziest performance. He's really good, too. He might even be in second. He's a little nuts. He's just got the anger gear. He's not shifting. I'm just going to be a pissed off little kid. I wasn't quite sure his age. He didn't drive. He was like 11 or 12. Maybe something like that. His buddy drove. Was his buddy like Baka or Daka or something? Chewbacca? I don't know. He was a strange kid, too. Did he ever say anything? I think a couple of times. I think he mostly spoke through the Noon Chooka. At the river's edge we open up and we see this little kid just pissed off walking around being a little kid. There's this wailing from across the river. He's on a bridge, I think. He's on a bridge and he's got a doll or something. He's got a sister's doll that he's destroying because he's an asshole. He's a complete asshole. We hear this wailing and then we don't really know what it's all about. These guys run into each other at a quickie mart. Same clerk from the Stone Age. Same guy. Different vibe. Same guy. Interesting. I always place the clerk. I'm a perfect convenience store clerk. I'm going to nail it. We run into each other and we see this heavyset dude is going through it not having a good day for some reason. We learn that he killed his girlfriend. He starts telling his friends. All his friends? Really? What? Huh. That's something to think about. I was like, okay. He takes him out and shows him the body. They don't believe him at first. They round everyone up. The gang. They get a car. They go out there. She's really dead. They're like, huh. It's almost like the same characters in our second movie. It's like the same four guys, three girls kind of thing. The ratio is always off. It's never perfect. There's always some guy that doesn't get any. Adam slowly raises his hand. They freak out a little bit, but they kind of land on Samson. Daniel Roebuck. Crispin, who's kind of like the ringleader, convinces them that Samson's our friend. This girl's dead. We can't undo the dead. Why don't we focus on helping Samson? Everyone, to different degrees of uneasiness, are like, okay. Okay, whatever. They just go back. They just go to school. What? You skip school, you go see a dead body. You're like, I've got to make it back to my English class. It's crazy. It's really crazy. We see some of these kids. Keanu has a pretty disturbing home life. He's got that asshole little brother. He's in an apparently abusive relationship with some guy who's not their father. They hide joints all over the house. It's unclear whose joint it is. Don't take my weed, his mother says. If anyone in this movie should be smoking weed, it's that woman. She should smoke a lot. Then we get the teens dealing with what are we going to do. They're all feeling a little bit of remorse. Should we tell the police, at least, so they know there's a body there? Then Crispin Glover's in full on save the day mode. He's like, I've got to get my boy Samson to a safe house. I'm going to take him to go see Feck. Dennis Hopper. And Feck has his own idiosyncrasies. Right. He's got a doll that he likes as his girlfriend. He sells weed, too, on the side. That Feck weed. When they kept saying Feck weed, I couldn't tell if it was a derogatory term. Or like, oh, that's Feck weed. Yeah, I think it was good. I remember him saying his sister brings it down from Humboldt. That's like weed? That's weed heaven. Why Humboldt? It's just the perfect place to grow it, I guess. Everything, the soil and temperature and everything. It's very rural. I know you spent time in California. You struck me as a guy who's maybe knew some people from Humboldt. No, I didn't. No? No Humboldt connection? No. I lived in Northern California for five years, but nobody up in Humboldt that I knew. I don't think they like outsiders up there. Yeah. That's why you need to know someone who knows someone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to have an an. So Hopper did, he's got that Feck weed. So the kids know who he is, so they bring over Sampson to like, just chill out here. And Hopper's like, yeah, a little resistance. He's like, whatever. I got a three-bedroom house. What are we doing here? It's fine. And their dynamic is interesting. Yeah. And the whole movie, you never like, I don't know how you felt watching it, but I never knew what was going to happen. Like if Sampson killed Feck or Feck killed Sampson in that moment, I would not have surprised. Right, right. Like anything could happen at any moment. Yep. Yeah, it was. Yeah, it wasn't the kind of movie, you know, what's going to happen in the next five minutes. You just don't know because it's I mean, there's been so many things. I mean, this guy kills a girl and friends just go, huh, OK. I mean, that's pretty surprising. Very surprising. A surprising reaction, so. And so then we get like, kind of like different side stories, right? Like Keanu is with, we didn't even mention Ioni Sky is in this. Right, right. Like early Ioni Sky. So that's Feck's, or not Feck, it's Crispin's girlfriend, but they've broken off. It seems like they don't really like each other. Like she tells you reveals that Crispin only has sex with her when he's drunk because he's so like shy. Yeah. Yeah. He's like he's kind of like that typical braggadocious guy, like very loud, but also like really just a big puss. Yeah. No, there's nothing behind it. All hat, no cattle. Right. Or like, what was that stick he carried around? Like a little baton or something? Yeah, it was just some prop that he probably just, I don't know what it was. It was like, I'm the leader. I guess, yeah. Yeah, so he's got that. So Keanu and the girl are kind of like, just like walking around, right? Right. Like they're kind of looking for Samson a little bit, I guess. I don't even remember what they were doing. They were just... Just chilling? Yeah, they went to get some beer or something. Beer, sleeping bags. And they're sleeping in the park. Yeah, and they're banging in the park. Yeah, okay. Yeah. And all this time, this is after, didn't Keanu's character call the cops? Yeah, yeah. He snitched. Yeah, he snitched. And yeah, they brought him in and questioned him. I didn't kill anybody. I'm the one who's reporting it. Of course, they think he's just a, you know, an accessory or whatever. So yeah, so they're just cruising around. They're kind of looking for him, but not. You know, they've done, he's done his part. It's called the cops. So the, you know, the cops are looking for him. And Samson and Fek end up going on a beer run, end up sitting out on the river, by the river. The river's edge. Yeah, yeah. And then Keanu's little brother is pissed off. Right. Because he thinks Keanu snitched, and he kind of thinks he's part of the crew. Right. So they're trying to get revenge. Right. And so the brother tracks, so like, he ends up at like Fek's place, but Fek's place is empty. So him and his little compatriot there, whose name Mokko. Mokko. Played by Yuzo Nishihara. Okay. With his nunchucks. Yeah. And he's driving his dad's car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His big dad's car. It wasn't like a little one. Mokko's got, he's got resources, right? He does. Doesn't speak a lot. He knows how to get things done. Yeah. Yeah, they break into Fek's house. Steal his weed. Steal his weed and trash the place. Yeah. I mean, just steal the weed, you don't have to trash the place. So, like, all these things are happening. We end up with, oh, and Chris McGlover's just losing his mind driving around town. Right. Yeah, because he's the only one that's doing anything. Right. And he's crazy. He's mad at everyone. Like, come on, you're not helping Samson. He's your friend. He's, like, pleading with everyone. He's got that, like, kind of, like, whiny voice. He's getting whiner as the night progresses. Right. And then he ends up passing out in his car. Because he's taking some kind of pills, too. He's taking some pills, too. Like, uppers or something, I would assume. No, I think it was downers. Oh, downers. That's what put him to sleep. Okay. Yeah. And you end up, you end up in some weird parking position and the cops show up, you know. So, yeah. And then at the river's edge, Samson's talking to Feck and he's kind of, like, because Feck's whole thing is, I killed a woman once. Yeah. Yeah. He always brags about that. Yeah. I loved her. Yeah, I loved her. Because I loved her, I killed her. Right. And then Samson's like, well, you know, we have something in common. Let's chop it up, you know. But the way Samson's talking, like, freaks Feck out. Right. It's so weird that it freaks him out. Right. Like, this dude is going to kill again. Like, this dude has, like, got a problem. I did it for love. Right. He's just going to kill people. Yeah, because Samson doesn't have, like, a really good reason why he did it. He was just, like, kind of like, I could. Yeah. Like, I had the urge. Uh-huh. I could. And I choked the life out of her. Yeah. And that was it. Yeah. There was no reason. No. There's no reason for anything in this movie. No. Yeah. No. Like, there's no reason for Ione's guy to hook up with Keanu Reeves except for, well, I mean. Yeah. There's no reason for him to find Keanu Reeves attractive. That's one reason. But it's more just, like, oh, we're here. Yeah. We have beer in a sleeping bag. This is their whole life, these kids, in both movies. It's just doing nothing, fucking around, you know, no, aimlessly, you know, they don't really have any direction. And they're all just getting high and having sex and doing whatever. You know, I guess that's the way it was, or still is. I don't know. I mean, these are based on true stories. Yeah. In some communities. So Hopper ends up killing Samson. Right. We hear a shot. We don't know what happened. Right. But, I mean, you kind of knew what happened, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think that's one thing you did know. That, you know, because they didn't show it, but you knew that I thought, oh, he's dead. Right. Right. Because he killed his doll first. Right. Like, the doll died. Right. And he killed Fek. Yeah. And so did you, like, the way I understood that was that the woman that Hopper actually killed was probably a previous doll. Probably. Is that what you were thinking, too? I was thinking, too. I don't think he really ever did anything. I didn't think so, either. Yeah. He's just crazy. Or he's just a bullshitter. Yeah. Everybody is paranoid because he doesn't leave his house for the most part, yeah, so. Then after that, it all kind of gets pinned on Fek. Mm-hmm. I mean, they understand, like, Samson did it, and Fek is, like, kind of confessing in a hospital bed. Right. The cops pick him up. And then the kids go out to, like, look at the body. Oh, they find him. They find Samson, didn't they? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They found him down the river. And Kristen's going crazy. Mm-hmm. You know. That's it. That's kind of how it ends, right? Right. There's no, like, there's no moral. What's the old Seinfeld thing? No lessons, no hugging. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like, yep. Okay. And the kids just, that was that. Back to school. What are you guys doing tomorrow? Yeah. Like, are you going to go to geometry class? That was a weird couple days, wasn't it? Right. Remember when that one girl we used to hang out with got killed by the other guy we used to hang out with? Yeah. That was weird. And then this other guy that we used to buy pop from ends up in jail. Yeah. Huh. Weird. Yeah. Okay. That's on TV. Yeah. And that's what makes us... Oh, there was a hug at the end. Yeah. Because Keanu's little brother was going to shoot him. He was holding, he was pointing a gun at him, and Keanu talked him down and gave him a hug. So there was a lesson. I did think he was going to shoot him. I did too. I was like, he was going to wing him, like... He's a pissed off little kid. Yeah, because that kid had zero chill. He was coming at him hard. Right. I didn't think that he was going to back down, but, you know, brotherly love, I guess. Yeah. So the thing about this movie that's so disturbing of both these movies, actually, is like, as you mentioned, the kids, but like, the parents. Parents. In both these movies, there's not a parent who's actually a parent. It doesn't seem to be. In this first one, the parents are kind of out of the picture, except for Keanu's mom is there. Yeah. We see Moko's dad's car, that's pretty much it. But like, them not being there says a lot too, right? They're just sort of like intentionally removed from this kid's life, the life we get to see. One of the girls, we don't actually, do we actually meet her mother? We hear her. Yeah. Because she's like, is that you, honey? You know, kind of like going in and out, you know, at all times at night and stuff. Is that you? Okay. Whatever. Yeah. Bye. Bye. So that was disturbing. We did get a little bit of like, the one voice of reason, potentially, is like the, I don't know if he was an English or a history teacher. Oh yeah. I don't know what kind of, what he was teaching. He kind of like understood like the generational, like this generation is inheriting problems to the previous generation, but you know, like it's all compounding. And then he's kind of like, it's my generation's fault that y'all are like this. Right. And he's, you know, he's talking about that girl. You know, does anybody care? You all knew her, but nobody cares. No. You know, she's dead, murdered by another student. Right. You know, does anybody care? No, they didn't. Not really. No. I mean, what are they going to say? They're not going to say anything. It's not my problem. Exactly. Is this going to be on the test? Yeah. What kid has that? Yeah. So yeah. A really dark look at like growing up, just detached from your parents, from society as a whole, like not really having a plan for anything. Right. Like they had no ideas. No. You know, like they talk about like skipping school and going someplace, but they couldn't even think of like where they wanted to go. There's no place to go. It's like they're so bored in both these movies. It's just boredom. Nothing's exciting. Yeah. It's got to be even worse now for... No, it's got to be terrible. People who are 20 now, or whatever, like how old were they in this movie, 16, 17? Yeah. Where was this? This took place in Northern California? I believe so, yeah. Yeah, I think so too. Northern California. Because he says, Fex says, my sister brings it down from Humboldt. So they were maybe Sacramento area or someplace, I don't know. Stockton. Stockton, maybe. Yeah. It was like a Stockton movie. Any other thoughts about the movie itself, performances, scenes? Everybody was good, you know. I think this is a movie everybody should see, and I agree with you. It's not like anything you'll ever, anything else you'll see until the next movie. Yeah, like this movie, it's just so dark and you're watching it and you're like, what is going on? There's just no feeling from anybody except anger. Yeah. You know? There's nothing else. Right. I'm like, is this bad acting or is this excellent acting to capture how these kids feel? It might be excellent. It's a little bit of both. Yeah. And anytime you get to see Ioni Sky, it's always a pleasure. Yeah. So, Matt, you want to get some scores? Sure. So, IMDb, let me tell you real quick, we have 19,000 people checking in, so pretty under scene movie. I will say this is one of Quentin Tarantino's favorite films of this year. Oh, cool. I will say seven three. Oh, you went high, man. Oh, no. Yeah. Six, nine. Not even a seven? No, this is clearly in the sevens. Yeah, seven, two, seven, three. I might even put it higher, man. Yeah. Seven, five, seven, six. When I was thinking like the dark comedies that I really like, this isn't really a comedy. No, it's not. That's the thing. It's just dark. Not a lot of laughs. Yeah. Like, I mean, Heathers is like an easy comparison for this era. Yeah. I think Heathers is better. It has like a little bit more to say. Like it kind of lasts with you in a different way. This one, like it's almost like once you watch it, you almost sort of you kind of remember the feeling, but you kind of forget the movie. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's just so disturbing that you just go, oh, I loved it, but I'm going to forget about it. You know, because it is, it's very disturbing. And Heathers is funny too, so. Right. Yeah. I don't think there was one laugh in this one. No, not really. Yeah, it's not a funny movie. I mean Crispin Glover is kind of funny just generally as like a, I don't know, like a buffoon, but yeah, so yeah, I would say seven, three, seven, four, maybe seven, five, seven, six and we're around there. Again, just for it being so unique, what about Tomato Meat or Rotten Tomatoes? Forty-two critics. I'm going to go eighty-eight. Nailed it. Eighty-eight percent exactly. Oh really? Ding, ding, ding. And the audience, over five thousand people. I'll say eighty-three. Seventy-six. What's wrong with people? Yeah, I'm trying to find, I always try to find the negative reviews to figure out like what people don't like. It's hard because like on Rotten Tomatoes, it's like they just kind of lump them all together so like ImmanuelLevy.com gets like the same real estate as like, you know, New York Times. Right. Oh my God. Yeah, not a lot of, not a lot of credible negative reviews. This is from the Washington Post. This movie stabs all too wildly in the dark. I guess the implication there is like it doesn't know what it's doing. Like I think it's pretty tightly focused and definitely, like I said, there's like such a clear tone throughout the whole thing that you, as you're watching, it's just like, I mean, just from like the first scene of that kid with the dog, how creepy is that? Plus the kid looks creepy anyway. That kid grew up to like not do much. Yeah. I mean, he had like an acting career like as a kid, but he didn't like, he didn't take it any further. Yeah, I didn't know. I'm like, who is that kid? I was like, oh, that's James Franco or something, you know. I'm like, who is it? But no, he just sort of, yeah, kind of flamed out. All right. This is The Creator's Consensus, Matt. Okay. Make sure I have the right movie, fucked up last time. A herring tale of aimless youth, River's Edge generates considerable tension and urgency thanks to strong performances from a stellar cast that include Crispin Glover, Keanu Reeves, and Ioni Sky. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. Kind of a vanilla consensus, but what are you going to do? All right. So take a break. Yep. All right. And we'll show you This is how good things used to be, remember how good things used to be, it used to be so good, it used to just be me and this girl, inside my room, nobody can fuck with, pull out my naked eye, and with this, strap it in, my magical sandwich is about to slip, sitting in my room with a razor blade, thinking all my days are played, as much as my single needs to fade away, shoot myself in the arm that's gone bleeding, don't want to go yet. And we're back, so the second Troubled Teens film of the week, based on a true story also, also based on a true story, is Bully, yeah, from 2001. I recommended this just because thematically I knew these were like similar movies, like very similar, and I knew you hadn't seen it, then as I was re-watching it, I was like, oh. Larry Clark. I was like, first, as I was watching it, I'm like, this is a lot of naked people who are supposed to be teens, which is never the most awesome thing to watch. It's uncomfortable, to say the least. It's uncomfortable, but it's meant to be uncomfortable, right, so, and then I was like, who did this? I was like, ah, shit, it's the guy who did Kids, which is one of the few movies that you constantly reference as being a movie you hated. Yeah, I watched like 15 minutes of it, and I think the kids in that movie were younger. Yeah. Well, I think the kids in that movie were not really actors. No, they were like real kids. Aside from maybe Rosario Dawson, obviously, but I think most of them, oh, no, there was another girl in there, but this is like a bunch of like up-and-comers who mostly fizzled out. I mean, they had some careers, but you know. Nobody went on to big things. I mean, they're still, some of them are still acting. Like when I say Nick Stahl, no one knows who that was. If you see him, you know him. If you say Bijou Phillips, you know the name, but it's so weird, but like name your favorite Bijou Phillips movie. I don't know. Leo Fitzpatrick is another guy, the hitman. I've seen him a few times. Yeah, looks familiar, but I don't know where from. Right. So that's what this movie was, a collection of sort of potential could be like Hollywood actors. And then Brad Renfro, the main guy, he died a few years later. 22, he had 22 from the drugs. So, Matt, what did you, I mean, were you able to get through it? This movie took me a long time to watch, but in the end, I ended up really liking it. I thought it was really well done. You know, there was some gratuitous bullshit. But if you're watching this movie, there's going to be a bunch of naked people who are playing teenagers. Just, I checked all their ages. They all check out. They're all, you're not a pedophile for watching this movie. Just, you know, all the nudity, if it makes you uncomfortable, just fast forward through it. It's not important. It's meant to like just give you a full picture of how these kids lived. If it makes you uncomfortable, just skip it. This movie's brutal. I remember this story. I've seen this story, the original story on one of those shows, Gloria and I watched one of those. Dateline MVC. Dateline MVC or one of those, you know, that I remember this from that. Oh yeah, that's that killing where they throw them in the canal or something. But yeah, it took me a long time to watch this. I had to keep turning it off. I didn't fast forward it, but I should have because it would have taken a lot less time. Well, like this movie starts with like we get to meet, we meet the characters pretty quickly and we see the relationship between Brad Renfro and Nick Stahl. Yeah, Bobby and Marty. Bobby and Marty and Bobby is just an unrelenting asshole. Yeah, he is an asshole. I was going to say jerk, but that doesn't paint the picture. And he's like, it's interesting because they have a dynamic that could only exist because they grew up together. Right. You know what I mean? Like if they just met each other, Marty would kick his ass. But he doesn't because he's like meek and he's just been sort of trained to like be subservient. Yeah, Bobby's been kicking his ass since he was a little kid. Now he won't fight back. There was one scene where like they're driving and Bobby punches him and then Marty gets out and he punches him in the dick. But he gets back in the car. Yeah, does what he says. Get back in the car. Like a battered spouse. Yeah, that's what it seemed to be. And the kids are just, the rest of them are just hanging out. Nothing to do but smoke cigarettes and bang each other, right? Smoke some dope, do whatever pills anybody has. They're just aimless again. They're just wandering around. Bobby's the only one who's a parent who, you know, he's a parent. Yeah, but didn't he strike you as kind of weird? Yes. Like there's scenes where he's walking in and Bobby's completely naked and he's standing behind him and he's like, you're going to be great. You're too smart for those kids. There was also like a was this kid abused kind of element to it. It just seemed like a cycle. It was sort of a clue maybe that there was some weird, because he's very, Bobby's very subservient to his dad. Yeah. You know, yes sir, that kind of stuff. So it was the same kind of, maybe the same kind of relationship that Bobby had with Marty. Right. Some abuse somewhere. Yeah. Hurt people hurt people, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like Bobby and Marty are like getting into like a little bit of like, I'm glad it wasn't really expanded on this, but like there's like that weird scene where they're in like some underground strip club for men. Yeah, it was for like gay men. Right. It was like, what is this? And then, you know, he makes Bobby get up and dance and just sort of. Yeah, he pimps them out. Yeah. And they're like, they're like making gay porn somehow. Right, right, yeah, yeah. They're not in it, but like they're filming it and they're trying to sell it. Like, it's going to make us rich. What? The friend's going, stuff's gross. Yeah. Yeah. Because Bobby's really gay. Yeah. He won't admit it because he likes anal sex with women. I mean, he rapes them. Right. That's what he does. He's just such a bad person. So since we just watch both these movies and like there's a kind of a similar reaction, like so in the first movie, it's like, hey, Samson killed this girl. Oh, OK. Yeah. And this other movie is like Bobby raped Bijuu Phillips. They're like, crazy Bobby. Yeah. It's like, well, Bijuu, you know what you're getting into? You know, like they didn't like. But this one felt worse. Right. Somehow than like the murder, even though obviously murder is, I mean, I would maybe say objectively, but I would consider it worse than rape because someone's dead. Right. Right. But this one felt worse. It just felt like, oh, my God. They just like barely like stopping playing their video games while their friends getting raped in the next room. Yeah. It does feel worse. It's 20 years later, almost 15 years later. It's like the next generation, the next generation. They're even worse. You know. Yeah. In the first movie, there was hardly any sex or anything. They were just hanging out. This one, it was just all just constant. Yeah. Switching partners, doing this and that. It was just crazy. Yeah. Yeah, it did feel worse. Well, I think the yeah, I think like the escalation of sex is like it's just I mean, like a lot of it's like the Internet, you know, like they had access to it and they probably think it's normal. Like, you know what I mean? They've been watching porn since they were 14, 13, you know. And they're watching MTV or whatever, you know, gangster videos and stuff. Yeah. It's like it's normal. There was that scene where Marty is sitting on the couch like probably stoned with his dumb girlfriend, probably stoned. And he's like rapping along to Eminem. Yeah. And I was like, man, I've been on that couch with that dude so many times and with that girl and just like, fuck. So I'm so glad I'm a little far away from those two people. I will say like they did a really good job of like capturing like the clothing of like South Florida, like like all these people were middle class. Let's not forget that they're all middle class, but dressing like homeless people. Right. Like they nailed that. Done very well. I think they nailed a lot in this movie. That's why I liked it. You know, it just felt like I was there. You know, you could see it all. Right. The clothes, the way they just kind of hang out, the way they just, you know, act. It just to me, it felt really well done in that way. Yeah. But yeah, it's just it's very disturbing. It's disturbing. It's funny because it starts off disturbing with like a lot of like sex kind of in your face stuff. And like, you know, Bobby's getting like increasingly violent. And then there's like this kind of lull in the middle where they're just sort of like, well, what if we killed him? Right. And then they just sort of like they have like meetings about it. At the Pizza Hut. They even tell the waitress, yeah, we're going to kill Bobby. They're telling everybody. Yeah. That's their downfall. Right. And like and then at that point, like the movie kind of like becomes just like a regular movie. You're like, oh, these kids are going to kill their friend. They're doing obviously on his face, but they're not like screwing each other. You know, it's just like it's just talk. Right. And then the movie ends with what does it end? But then we get like Bobby's eventual demise. Yeah. And they bring in this hit. They call him a hit man. This mafia kid. Yeah. I was unclear on what his connection was, but I think that worked because I don't think they knew who he was. No. He's just some dude that they knew. You know, like, oh, yeah, it's so and so. It's like a fence. Yeah. He was buying shit. People were stealing things out of cars and bringing it to him. His dad seemed to be in it. He's not a hit man. He has braces. He's not a hit man. Just because he has tattoos, the shitty tattoos doesn't mean that like he's tough. Yeah. But he was the only one that knew what to do. He had a plan. He's the only one that could make a plan. The rest of them are just total idiots. It wasn't a very there wasn't a lot of brightness. There was not. There was not. In either gang, either movie. No. There was no introspection. Nothing. There was just nothing. Right. There was nothing there. Yeah. This other gang needed a they needed a Crispin Glover to get them motivated. They didn't have that. No. No. And a bunch of Keanu's or whatever that that third fiddle, whoever that was. Until the hit man came and he had routed them up. Yeah. He brought some. Brought some. Bring some weapons. Some some organization to this kill party. Yeah. Yeah. So and then even then it was so disorganized when they did it. But I think that I mean I'm guessing that's probably how it did play out because there's like a true account to it. I mean there's like you know how much how much how many hours of testimony is it from these kids. Right. To draw from. And so when it did finally go down. Yeah. That really felt like you said it felt true. Yeah. Like yeah. They're going to screw it up and they're going to like one girl is going to freak out and cover her ears and jump in the backseat of the car. Right. Because she can go through it. Right. You know. Yeah. It was like it did seem real that that's what would happen. That it wouldn't just be one stab and the guy's dead. Right. You know it's several people stabbing or a baseball bat and he's still alive. They got to carry him and put him in the water and kind of let him drown. Yeah. The alligators. The alligators don't eat him. It's the crabs. The crabs. Yeah. Right. That's it. Like in your mind you're like oh the alligators. Nope. It's the crabs. It's going to take a lot longer than you think. Yeah. That body's just not going to disappear tonight. There's not going to be a big alligator taking that body. They don't like people. They don't like to eat people. No. Especially when they're dead. Yeah. Yeah. Alligators are not going to. No. No. The dog. Right. Hmm. That might be tasty as I look around to the dog that's staying in Massachusetts. Yeah. So like the kill scene. There's one kind of like extrobranious like this one like extraneous like stoner dude is there. He's kind of like is there. And they even like reference like why are you here? He's like what do you mean? Like you don't really have an answer. It's like he's just some dude hanging out. He's pretending to be somebody's girlfriend or boyfriend. Yeah. He's just like he's some dude from some other town who just is suddenly like hanging out for the weekend. And again that felt so true to life. Like every now and then there's just some dude who shows up like oh okay this guy's here now. Who is he? Doesn't matter. That's Donnie. That's some stoner dude. Yeah he's fine. He's harmless. Yeah. Until he's not. He was really good. Michael Pitt I think isn't he? Yeah. Well we saw him in he was Coleridge in Finding Forrester. So he went on to do some stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I recognized him from somewhere. Yeah. But he was good. And they all were. He was good. Yeah. No. I would say like maybe the weakest performance was the main girl. Rachel Miner. Lisa. Lisa yeah. Yeah. I was about to say she annoyed me but maybe she was supposed to. I think she was annoying. She's someone who came up with the idea to kill them. She came up with the idea. She helped them get caught. She threw the weapons in the ocean. Like she just yeah she sucked. Yeah. She just thought they were all going to get away with it and she was going to have her baby. We didn't even mention that. She's pregnant with Marty's or thinks it's Marty's. Right. And Marty did not wasn't so happy about that. No. No. No. Wasn't a big fan of becoming a father. Good. Yeah. So I was going to ask you this. So a lot of times you complain about movies where the kids don't act like kids. What do you think about both of these? I think they acted like that generation or in that air place. And I mean I don't think you're going to find those kids everywhere in the country but there are certain places you know like Florida. South Florida. We both grew up. Yeah. I grew up on the West Coast of Florida. You grew up on the East Coast. On the East Coast. But I mean I knew these kids. Right. These kids existed in Brevard County 100 percent. Yeah. And the kids in the first film. Yeah I could see that. Like California. Kind of. Very laid back. Very laid back. Very laid back. Except for Crispin Glover. Yeah. Really? He was on Downers? He needed them. Maybe. Maybe they were prescribed. Yeah. He needed something. But yeah I also thought like these kids like acted like kids in Bully. Yeah. Just like confused. Like having an idea. And then actually once it actually happens be like oh fuck. Like didn't actually. Like think what would happen if it was real. We didn't think it through. Yeah. They didn't think it through. They all. I mean they're telling. Like I say they're telling everybody. You know. How. I mean. You're not going to get away with it. And you know I didn't do anything. You know the stoner dude. That was another great scene. Where they. They were all. You know. They're all kind of like once it happens they all freak out. Right. And they take off. You know they start to take off. The hitman's like no. We're all going to the same place right now. Because you need to talk about this. He's the one. He's the only one who has vision. We need to get our story straight. Yeah. He's the CEO of this little organization. Yeah. They have to go back to the crime scene. Yeah. Yeah. Because they fucked up. They left too quickly. Yeah. They had like cover tracks and stuff. And so that was a great scene. They were all. They're all kind of like pinning each other. Well I didn't do anything. I was like no. He's like. He stabbed him the first time. It was like. It went in like this far. They're like what about the other ones. Yeah. The other 10 times you stabbed him. And you threw him in the water. Yeah. He was already dead. It's like. Yeah. So I love that. And then the girls be like we didn't do anything. I didn't do anything. Yeah. So they're all like clear. Their conscience is clear. Yeah. And I loved the how we kind of see it all unravel. You know. Like we see. Like the cops are like the cops find out because who was the first one that let it slip. Oh. The big guy. Yeah. The big guy. He turned him in. Yeah. The big guy was like talking to. He's like talking to his friend. He's like yeah. I need an alibi for this murder I did. And the kid's like what kind of an asshole is going to lie to the cops for a murder. Perfect answer. It's like. It's not me. I'm not doing that. Right. I'm not doing this guy to cover for me. And the first sign of any intelligence in the movie either one of these movies. And then Lisa walks over to her friend because she needs a ride and she's like oh god it was crazy last night. We totally killed this guy. And she's like her friend's like what. What. Like you were there. Like what happened. And she's like oh come on you're not going to give me a ride. And her friend's like I'm late for my shift at the Pizza Hut. What the fuck. Yeah she couldn't believe they went through with it. Yeah. Because she was the waitress at the Pizza Hut. Yeah. Yeah. She's shocked but you know. Go to work. Yeah. And her mom's like is everything OK. Yeah. Fine. I gotta go to work. Yeah. OK. And then finally Lisa's on the phone and she's like basically like you know this guy that we killed. And then her mom's like standing in the doorway like what. Yeah. Oh but I forgot. Bijou Phillips. Driving in the car with her mom suddenly like hey if you kill someone. If you witness something like a murder for example. For example. And then you call and you know the tips call the tips line. Is that a crime. Is it bad. And her mom's like. What. Yeah. If you call the tip line and don't give your name. Yeah. Is that OK. And her mom at first is like well you know you should be serious and she's like wait a minute. Is this. Is this your murder. You know these parents are just so slow on the uptake. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah they don't know what their kids are doing. Yeah. And I think about that too. Like I think back to like when I was a teenager and like I mean I was fine. But like I mean you kids who are like they're sneaking in and out of their house like doing a hard drug like yeah like constant. I mean just like yeah like no murder that I know of but just like damn. Yeah we would. I mean we would smoke weed. Yeah. You know occasionally do some pills but it wasn't a common thing. You know we'd get drunk on wine cheap wine but we weren't bad. We weren't. We were never breaking the law but it's drug laws but we weren't breaking in the places we weren't doing any of that. You know you weren't filming pornos to sell. No no. Big big riches. Thought I was going to get rich. Yeah. There is one. So before I wrap this up there's there's one scene in this movie that I really enjoyed besides the one we talked about. I think it's with the hitman. Well they kind of come to the hitman's house and like I love all their meetings during the hitman's driveway and he's like looking around the cameras like whirling around to all these people. You can just you kind of get like the hitman's perspective like what am I doing like right. There's no one here. These people barely have their eyes open. Right. You know what I mean. Yeah. They. This is the crew I'm getting involved with still. He still did it. And I don't understand why. He was more he was he was more worried about what a B.J. Phillips beep beep in her horn. The noise. Yeah. Yeah. And then killing somebody. You know it was like weird. I don't really get what his whole stake in it was because he wasn't trying to hook up any of the girls. He was just trying to like he wasn't getting paid. It was just like this is what I do is how I earn my get my trying to get a record. Yeah. Maybe. Hmm. Because his dad seemed to know what was going on. Right. It's like yeah. Be careful son. Yeah. That's a good dad of the year. Yeah. Thanks dad. Soundtrack. I'm sure you did not like it very much. I enjoyed it very much. Well I liked it. From the very first song. They picked the perfect song to bring me back to like oh 2001 or whatever. Like yes. I know the song. The song is like it was just one of the songs is like everywhere. No I thought I thought it was perfect for the movie you know I mean I actually really like this. I thought it was just so well done. I mean besides that I mean there was that one crotch shot. I don't know what that was all about crotch shot. It was a crotch shot with B.Ju Phillips. She had those short shorts. She was sitting there talking on the phone or something and suddenly the camera just is right there on our you know it's just what's that all about. It's not part of the movie. Yeah there is like that. Well I think it like creeps up to like the exploit exploitive line or whatever. But yeah stuff like that. I mean I guess I'm sort of like numb to that just like whatever. Yeah I guess you know I don't know maybe. This movie was after Columbine. So but it still felt before. It was a different time. Now kids just shoot up schools. Well I think when did the murder happen. Maybe the murder happened before. I'm not sure. Oh it was in the 90s. So maybe it was. But you're right. Columbine was 98. Yeah. I think this was before Columbine. Roger Ebert gave it four stars. Really. That surprises me. I believe Bully is a masterpiece on its own terms. A frightening indictment of a society that offers absolutely nothing to some of its children. An indictment of the children who lack the imagination and courage to try to escape. Bobby and his killers deserve one another. Well yeah it's hard to argue with any of that. So where do you know where do you know Nick Stahl from the Bobby character. I looked him up. Yeah. Because I mean he's really he's got a really interesting face right. He's got one of those faces that you can't really forget. He was in the man without a face. That's where I first. And even then he was probably like 11 years old but he looked like he had like that old like kid with old man face right kind of thing. I remember him from in the bedroom in the bedroom 19 2001. Same year. No interesting. Was that it's a New England couple college date son dates an older woman who has two small children and unwelcome ex-husband. That's the neighborhood. It's really good. Sissy's basic. Yeah. Marissa Tomei. Yeah. I feel like he should be doing more. He was in that HBO carnival carnival. Yeah. Series but that kind of just seemed like one of those shows that didn't catch the right time. Maybe that show was 10 years too early. You know. Should have been on Netflix or something. But yeah it just seems like he he should be doing more. Yeah I mean he had a lot of acting jobs the last couple of days in a show called Let the Right One In. Is that the vampire one. Yeah I think so. I mean I'm not saying he's doing nothing. I'm just saying like you know me like he so I was watching OK so like we watched Killing of a Sacred Deer. Right. Right. Kid. He's a kid. But the guy who was in that like Barry Barry Keogh. Yeah. I don't know how to say his last name but he gets the parts that this guy also should be getting those kinds of like you're not the main character you're on the side maybe a little bit creepy. Yeah. You know what I mean. This kid's got chops. Right. I think he's good. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. But he does a lot of television and stuff. I don't know. But. Yeah. That kid you're talking about. In the Banshee. I just watched it last night. Oh yeah. How was it. Well maybe we'll talk about it. OK. All right. I will reserve that review. I want to watch it. I want to see it. OK. I'll give it to you today. OK. I'll give you this right now. Awesome. So. So I guess we'll wrap it up. OK. So I will say this just thirty nine thousand people. So pretty under scene just like the previous movie. I'll go seven one six nine same as the other one. Wow. They're both sevens. Clearly in the seven range. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I think with this one I think just all the nudity just like it's like gratuitous and it's like it's kind of gross because it's so like thoughtless. You know what I mean. Yeah. It's like here's a naked body for no reason and like here's kids kind of having sex with each other. Now this one's having sex with that one. And. Yeah. So I can see people just being like that's a one. Yeah. You know what I mean. Yeah. It's tough. I mean if I literally it took me a long time. Let me just watch it for five minutes ten minutes and turn it off and just disturb me. Yeah. This is no one's favorite movie. No. I don't know the budget but worldwide gross seven hundred and four thousand. Wow. Nobody saw it. Yeah. Probably like Larry Clark's not working a lot. I mean he's he has a style like he's probably got his devoted group of people that love everything he does but it's definitely not for everyone. All right. Going over to Rotten Tomatoes 90 reviews on the tomato meter I will go seven nine fifty four. Whoa. Yeah looks like Ebert was on an island on this one and find a quick and that's low. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty low. What do you think about the audience over 10,000 people sixty nine. Exactly. You did a couple of these today. Yeah. Yeah. Sixty nine. I don't know. I don't think it should be low that low. But it's not for everybody. No. I mean this is for an audience of you know a very few people I think you have an open mind. Yeah. You really do. The last you have to. Right. You know if you can make it for the through the first like 20 minutes you're probably going to be OK. Right. Right. And again just hit that fast forward button when it comes all the nudity. Yeah. It doesn't really add much. It doesn't add anything. All right. This is the consensus with its lingering shots of naked teenage bodies of bully feels more sortedly exploitative than realistic. Yeah. I think in a way that's true. Yeah. You go watch this movie like this is trash. This is garbage. But also you can watch this and be like wow this is actually reflecting you know a moment in time. And it's also what really happened. Right. You know. Right. Based on a true story. It really happened. So that's probably the most disturbing part of it. Right. Yeah. It's like it's not disturbing that like you're you're you're bummed out by a bunch of a couple of naked kids hugging each other. So that it actually happened happens and they killed you know and they killed someone it's right. Yeah. That's the worst thing. And no one gives a fuck. No. All right. Matt next week. What did we do? We're going to do I'm going to have you watch a Korean movie called The House Guest. And you're going to have me watch some other affair movie. Damn we just talked about it a few minutes ago. I'm trying to find it on our list. A Little Children. It's A Little Children. And Housemaid. Housemaid. Yeah. OK. Not handmaiden. Housemaid. Housemaid. All right. Cool. OK. All right. Yeah. Our theme is affair goes wrong. Affair goes wrong. Yep. All right. Get out of here. Yep. He's a Philistine. What's a Philistine? It's a guy who doesn't care about books or interesting films and things. But I'm a Philistine. No. You're interested in books and things. No. I'm a Philistine. You've been shitting in my yard. I have not. You want me to hold the chin. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not.