Asian romance is the theme this week, but the guys may have picked the wrong movies. They disagree about the point of "In the Mood for Love", but agree its worth a watch. "Past Lives" is a much hyped yet intimate film asking the question "Can you return to your younger self (and lost love)?" The answer might surprise you.
Next show - who knows? We're going on hiatus for a few weeks while Matt enjoys the Florida sun.
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Asian romance is the theme this week, but the guys may have picked the wrong movies. They disagree about the point of "In the Mood for Love", but agree its worth a watch. "Past Lives" is a much hyped yet intimate film asking the question "Can you return to your younger self (and lost love)?" The answer might surprise you.
Next show - who knows? We're going on hiatus for a few weeks while Matt enjoys the Florida sun.
Have your own recommendations? Contact the show:
24theroadshow@gmail.com
Uno, uno, dos. Welcome to Two for the Road, movies with Matt and Adam. I'm Matt. And I'm Adam. We are a movie pairing podcast. We pick a theme, recommend a movie to the other guy based on a theme that he has not seen, watch and discuss. And we have a 25 year age difference. So we come with a different set of movies. And I think the two today, neither one of us had seen. No, these are both sight unseen. Right. And I it was funny, I think we Because I didn't know what either one of these movies was really about yeah They're both about we thought there were love stories, but they're actually unrequited love stories. Well both these movies are like They're not like anti romance, but they're like like a romantic like like asexual like they're just not interested in romance at all Well they are but they're liars I don't know I don't like we'll talk about the first of the first movie is in the mood for love Car one car why yeah One name to say yeah good thing you said it Yeah, obviously he's he's usually famous a listen. This is like course like we don't we've never seen any of this stuff You know not everyone. I think I've seen shocking Express, okay, but Yeah, that's it I was like, what do you want? But yeah, I thought this movie was not romantic at all. Really? Did you think it was? I think it was very romantic. Okay, in what way? I think they, I think it was a different kind of romantic than we get used to in the movies. I think because movie love is totally not realistic. You know, there's, real love has a lot of shit. You know, a lot of stuff involved. But I felt it was kind of like, you know, it was like two people who were in love but were not allowed to be in love for some reason. And it was only because of their own choices. Because, you know, each said, you know, I don't want to be like them, which, you know, because they're both their spouses are having an affair they know it after a while they figured out that they're having an affair with each other so and they keep saying you know we want we don't want to be like them but I felt like they were they were really in love but they just chose not to take it the next step so you didn't find it romantic at all like I think maybe romance is the that like I'm hung up on like yeah like there was definitely some sort of like I don't know if it was attraction it was almost like something deeper than that like mm-hmm like they both suffered the same trauma right and that like bonded them but I don't know that that means that I don't know it's not movie love it's not yeah romance romance it's not when Harry met Sally or something you know yeah I don't know I kind of felt it's more like a longing of love it's It's more like something you can imagine, but not really experience. To me, I mean, it's very moody, the movie. You know, it uses a lot of colors, uses clocks and things to keep things, you know, you never really know how long periods are between scenes. Scenes are usually very short. A lot of times there's nobody saying anything. you know, great camera work. I wanted to give them credit. Oh, why does this do this? Sorry, I have a list of stuff there I want to talk about. Matt's got notes. I've got notes. Christopher Doyle and Mark Lee Ping Bin. Because most of the shots are very tight. They're from room to room. They're in stairways, they're in alleys. There a lot of confinement and a lot of confinement and I think that's part of the theme is this is a confinement Right people are trapped, right? That's what it felt like and they're all in this little apartment building a lot of noise a lot of people You know, yeah, I don't can we just take a second and just like try to break down the architecture of this building I don't understand like it didn't seem like a typical apartment building Like they had like go through someone else's room to get to their room or something. That's what it felt like it was weird I understand like What the living situation 1960s Hong Kong? I guess I don't know and I and I I guess these people were Mostly from Shanghai I Read yeah, we don't really see that in the movie But you know they were all immigrants, too But I got the sense that these two couples Were like middle-class maybe even like upper middle class and they're subletting some woman's You know, I actually read about that and said, you know, there was no housing. They had to had to you know, they could afford That's why she could afford all those dresses Yeah, I mean she dressed like she was going to work even when she was just going in noodles Just like she was going out out out out. She's beautiful, too You know, yeah, but those dresses with like the high collars and the big the tight tight dress I don't know. It just doesn't really do it for me. Uh Anyways, so Was it romantic? I don't know Yeah, I think that the people were like even in love. I just kind of got the feeling that they were It's like trying to fill the loss of their own. Maybe it's like they wanted to be in love. It's like remorse yeah, you know they have they have remorse and that their own marriage fell apart, then here's this person who's also a victim. They were in the mood for love, but never really got it. I don't know, I find that very romantic, but almost in a, it just seemed very sad, very sad movie, that they chose not to. I mean, they could've had an affair, would've been very easy. Yeah, very easy. They're alone most of the time and they had stuff in common, you know Writing the martial arts I don't know. I'd like to see those That like a little like comics. Oh, yeah, I feel comic strip. I think it was a comic strip. Okay Yeah, that's what I don't know and then we never did get to see it. I know come on. Give us the shorts. Yeah so I guess his favorite director And I was watching this, I'm going, this feels like somebody else's movie. And then when I read who his favorite director was, it was Ingmar Bergman. And it felt like a Bergman movie. Just very claustrophobic, very quiet at times. Nobody really doing much, just talking. And again, probably pretty sad. So it figures that Bergman was a big influence on him. him. When were you in? I was in all the way I mean I just really felt that the color and everything really captured me you know I like color and when people use different colors and movies and you know that symbolize stuff I mean so I think it was yeah right away I thought I'm interested in what's what's gonna happen. There's also a lot of shots of like like with like fabric like you're kind of like looking through a curtain and kind of just peering in. I like voyeuristic kind of qualities too. Yeah, a lot of shots through windows, in mirrors, like I said, in stairways from one room to the next. So we're always kind of just supposed to just, I guess, boyish, watching these people when they don't know that we're watching them. So that's what it felt like to me. How about you? Yeah, right from the beginning, I mean like the style was pretty apparent right from the jump and The the female lead, you know, she kind of jumps off the screen. So yeah, yeah, you know, she's pretty engaging. Yeah They've made a lot of movies together with him with the director. No, I know. Yeah, I guess they're his favorite actors Well, it shows in this. Yeah Alright, so we'll do the plot rundown not much to it. Nope Two couples move in and we just see the man of one couple and the woman of the other couple are kind of like, they're in charge of the move in and the movers are getting stuff mixed up, so they're kind of having to introduce themselves to each other, like, oh you got my comic books or whatever, oh you got my record player, and they're kind of switching, so they meet pretty much immediately. And we just get the sense that they're constantly alone, their significant other is doing business overseas a lot, We're working nights. Yeah So seemed pretty progressive that the woman was like the breadwinner of this relationship because he's a journalist Hong Kong journalist getting paid in 1960s probably not much right, right? Yeah, that's pretty weird. Yeah, it's Because it takes place in 1962. So yeah Well, yeah, I never thought of that. She was out working. Yeah, you know, that's why she got sick of him. Yeah Of course she had a pretty yeah the yeah the lead had a pretty good job too. Yeah she's like a personal assistant to someone. Some Flander. Yeah right. She's always covering up for. Yeah so we meet him and he like her boss is like obviously has like a woman on the side or women on the side so you know just one but and that kind of like plants the seed of like this the idea of having an extramarital affair. Right. And so it gets you thinking about it, and you kind of put the pieces together, like, okay, that's what happened to these two people. Slowly but surely, we realize that their spouses are having a relationship with each other. And so, assuming after they moved in, or was this before? I think that after they moved in. Okay. I don't know how they met. Yeah, so they must be having their own movie, right? That's the romantic movie. These two people falling in love with each other, like on the stairway, not there. Some of the others being dumb. So they're having an affair, and they find out because they're buying gifts for their spouse that can only be got in other countries. So what kind of a doofus buys the same handbag for his mistress as his wife, and they live across the hall from each other? A real doofus. Come on. A complete doofus. It's like cheating 101. Like don't, yeah, diversify your giving support. Right, right. That's how they found out. Yeah. It's the same tie. In the airport, like, oh, I'll just get these two bags. My husband has that tie. Yeah. My wife bought it for me overseas or whatever. Yeah. So they figure it out and they kind of like hashing it out over like at a diner or something. And then they have these cool scenes where they're kind of like acting out. Yeah. Yeah. Confronting them. They're practicing. They're practicing confronting their spouses. And what I think makes those scenes work is, again, this movie kinda jumps around in time a little bit. You don't really know, it's not like day one, day two. You don't really know how much time has passed, or is this a little bit before, is this after? It's not really clear, always. And so when they start talking, it sounds like they are about to start, and you know, it sounds like they are confronting each other or something, you know? But but now you realize that they're acting well I mean in the I think in the first scene where she's pretending to talk to her husband. We don't know that right We don't know that she's pretending we see The back of a man's head and we haven't seen the husband yet So we think that maybe she really is doing it and then and then she has this pitiful slap at the end And you and he goes that's not a proper reaction. He's gonna deny it, deny it, and then fess up. You know, hit him. Yeah, but that slap is an indication that how much does she actually care? Right. Or has she just kind of given herself over to the idea that this is the way things are? Right. Could be either one, I'm not quite sure. Why don't you think we ever see the adulterers? Because who cares? Yeah. It's not about them. Exactly. Because movies that have adulterers in it end up movies about adulterers. And it wasn't about them. It was about the people who were left behind. The two people who were hurt. This is the aftermath. Right. Yeah, I think it was an interesting choice to never show them. Fun fact, the female, the adult-er, her voice is played by the woman who was the hooker in Each of the Killer. Oh, no! So, there you go, small world. She's doing this, and she's doing Each of the Killer. I think this was first. Doing a little voiceover. Little voiceover, a couple years later, she's in one of the wildest movies I've ever seen. And she had a wild role in a wild movie. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, so they kind of, And then they come together they're working on this comic book comic strip, whatever together So spend a lot of time together eating together They get trapped together like in one of them's apartments because like the the mahjong players are playing all night They can't walk out. It's gonna look suspicious So there's stuff like that where you think oh, well, they won't they yeah, but they don't Yeah, after a while you go. They're not going to Not even at the end. It's not an American film. No You know Not a Swedish film. There's only two people in Hong Kong not banging. And so I'm kind of, I don't know if I'm skipping anything, there's a couple cool scenes where she goes to get noodles and you just kind of see that she's dressed to the nines. She's walking down with her busted noodle thermos. Again I don't quite understand the geography of that situation. Yeah. Seems like there's like a like a noodle alley just outside of her, like just down the stairs. There's noodles Google's everywhere. I guess so. Yeah. And so, yeah, and then the ending, I'm trying to remember exactly how that went down. He ends up in Cambodia. Yes, he's gonna be. Because he traveled, he's in the Philippines for a while. I thought he was in Singapore. He was in Singapore, I think he was in Singapore. He invited her to go with him. Yeah, yeah, he was working in Singapore for the newspaper or whatever it was. And she was gonna go with him. And then she changed her mind. She hesitated yeah, and then when she finally shows up. He's gone Yeah, yeah, cuz they they got their own place so that they wouldn't have to worry about right found out or being misinterpreted like they're Yeah, their relationship So she does show up, but he's gone. Yeah If she so We're not supposed to take that as oh dang just missed him. It's more like That's their fate. Intentionally. Yeah, intentionally she did that, yeah. The hesitation did it. Because she could contact him, right? Right, right. So she does contact him. She shows up later in Singapore, and shows up to his apartment, smokes a cigarette, leaves. And never sees him. They never cross. What's that about? It takes something. What did she take? Because he said something's missing. Oh, I don't know. And that's when he went downstairs to the guy who ran the apartment and he said, or the hotel or whatever he was in, and he says, you know, who's been in my room? Something's missing. Was it the slippers? He kept showing slippers for some reason. I don't really know. But yeah, she doesn't even see him. She just smokes a cigarette and leaves. Yeah, see, I feel like that's like some deep cultural stuff that I'm like, what was that? But I feel like maybe, you know, a Chinese person would be like, oh yeah, of course. That's what you would do. I don't know. I don't know either. That's over my head. and then we see him, oh no wait, then the apartment is up for rent again, and the apartment's like, we see the apartment has been kind of turned over to new people, right? Right, because there's one scene where she goes back to visit the woman that she rented from. Mrs. Mann. Yeah, she's moving to, she's immigrating to America, giving up the house, and then later on he shows up, Knocks on the door that where he's where he used to live and some new guy live in there and then He says well that you know the neighbor. She's not a little longer here either, so yeah Yeah, time marches on Matt, but he tells his story at some point that if you have a secret and You go up in the woods and put a hole in a tree and whisper the Secret in the hole and then put mud to keep it in there that it's You know that it's safe and it's you know, it's the secret is is out or whatever and that's how it ends He's in Cambodia Cambodia at the Anwar or whatever Yeah, I didn't love the ending well I I you know, I read a little bit about his work. He does that a lot makes these ambiguous endings You really don't even know what's going on Yeah, the ending was not great. I didn't like the tree part I didn't mind him going back to visit the apartment cuz I'm just kind of like okay like even like one last Vestiges of what we had is even it's all gone. It's all yeah people. Yeah. Yeah, you know me It's like if I go back if it's like your childhood house, it's like oh, it's like Like my memory doesn't even match this anymore. It's like not even real anymore And it turns out that her she moved in to her old place with her son wasn't it? Yeah, cuz she was asking remember she was asking her old landlady. Well, how much do you want? And she goes are you interested she goes I might be You know and then there's a scene where she's there Talking to her son or something. We never see him. I don't think but so we're assuming that her marriage stayed intact his did not Believe so okay. Well, she's because the old landlady asked how's your husband? She goes? Oh, he's doing good, but we never see him or She might have just been lying, you know, but she has a kid Yeah, so but the other ones that that's been over a long time. That was that was over Before they even moved out of the house, I think yeah Yeah, anything else about the plot Matt? Um No, I think I think it's an interesting film that you, there's not a lot of films like this where you just kind of kept hanging the whole time, you know, and you know that it's not gonna happen. Like if this was a Tom Hanks, you know, Meg Ryan movie, they would have gotten together at the end or whatever, you know, but this is not like that. Like in our second movie, the same thing. So if we were gonna redo an American version of this, Who's the female lead who's the who's the Hollywood actress that could do I could pull this off that could be? attractive sad Sort of They're old 30 ish maybe 30 ish Game I don't know who you anybody in mind like Anne Hathaway. Yeah, she is kind of cold too pretty Well, she was beautiful. Yeah, I guess I guess you were yeah, maybe Yeah, maybe too pretty yeah, I'm not sure yeah, who's the Actress in a rival her maybe Oh Amy Adams. Yeah Not pretty enough Well She could pull it off. I think she's a great actress. I don't know all right. What about a male lead Ryan Gosling, no, I'm just kidding. I Don't know. I didn't thought about it. What about you honey? No, I don't know. I mean, I always want to put Jake Gyllenhaal and everything, but I'm not sure he would be the Right fit Do we need something a little bit schlubbier? Yeah Yeah, cuz he I don't think he was In the looks department. He would be long. Yeah, really? I don't know. I don't really know. I don't know. Yeah Shots fired. Yeah, I mean compared to her He's pretty hot really Too tall not too tall for me. That's Yeah a little meat All right Ned baby award who stole it usually we have someone who just comes in from a minute and burns the thing down He just steals the whole show. I don't Pretty much to I mean the the co-worker with the gambling problem. Yeah, it's pretty funny. Yeah, he was He's comic relief though. He's not a scene stealer, right, you know, no, I I don't think there's any But I did love the ultimate confidence of that guy. Yeah. Yeah He's a very homely looking guy, too I Want to mention the music? Oh, yeah. I thought the music was great it really The original music was done by somebody named Michael glass. Oh But there were songs in Chinese, English, and Spanish. And Nat King Cole had three songs in it. One of them was in Spanish, or two of them were in Spanish, I think. And it really fit. It really pushed the story along, I think, all the music. Because it came out at different times. It never drowned out the, you know, they played it between lines and stuff, so nobody was getting, you know, You could always hear them. It was just really it was like a third actor. Yeah, definitely It really added to it. Yeah, it kind of like in a way it reminded me of that Was that movie we watched? About the guy who like gets I'm totally gonna screw this up It's about this couple that like steals a car in like Paris and like drives out to the countryside and like kill people Oh, yeah Yeah Come back and like someone has to like break into a building or someone stuck in the building. Oh Somebody elevator shaft or something I came over this call. Oh, it was a gallows elevator to the gallows Yeah, the way the music was using that yeah, yeah reminded me of this right Yes, I think wasn't it yeah elevators the gallows 1958 mm-hmm. Yeah, okay gotta write these things down man All right, you want to anything that you want to say about in the mood for love? No, I talked about the thing that I wanted to color music The stars, yeah pretty much everything. How about you? I mean This movie was super hyped up for me going into it. Like everyone's a gods one of the greatest movies of all time. Mm-hmm Didn't win a lot of awards. No, you know why? It came out the same year as Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, which is yeah So when it's up for all these foreign language awards, it's no way it's gonna win. Did you ever see that man? I saw in the theater like What when I was 20? Oh, yeah, that's cool. Yeah, I mean it was cool I've not thought about that movie once since I've seen it. I've never watched it again. Yeah. Yeah. Nope Well, he was the first Chinese director to win at Con No for 1997 movie called happy together Which Tony Lung or whatever his name is, is the star of that movie. Yeah, they were up for an award, something like The Palm Door. That's a con. Yeah, yeah. Good old Ang Lee steals it. Yeah, Ang Lee, what are you going to do? Makes great movies, makes awful movies. For some reason, this is not coming up. But anyway, do you want to guess the scores? Sure. All right, IMDb, 161,000 people. So it's a very seen movie. Seven, eight. Eight, one. Really? Yeah. Cracked the eights. Wow. Ebert gave it three stars. Did he? Yeah. Yeah, it lost the Palme d'Or, he lost, the director lost to a movie, a Lars von Trier movie called Dancer in the Dark. I'm gonna read you the description of Dancer in the Dark and tell me if this is something that is gonna make our list. An Eastern European US immigrant with a love for musicals has to cope with the gradual loss of her vision. Starring Bjork. Bjork. Bjork, yeah, I remember that. Oh God. I've seen one of his movies. His movies make me ill. The handheld camera. I can't believe anyone would want to watch that. Hey, let's go watch this movie about this immigrant who slowly goes blind. Right. But she loves musicals. Yeah. She's disgraced. All right, do you want to guess the Rotten Tomatoes critics? We have 187 reviews on the Tomato Meter. I'll go 93 if that. 92. Okay. Audience, over 50,000? 86. 94. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's one of our highest rated films that we've watched. So I liked it, but I didn't like it that much. It was pretty good. Yeah, it was very good. This is a movie that I will definitely think about after having watched it. We each have that conversation, like what was it actually like, how does it end, what are these characters doing now, like what, did they continue in their marriages, did they diverge, did that one woman have enough guts to finally break up with her husband, is that his son, did the kid bind them together, was the kid there the whole time? Right, you know who knows right? So yeah, which there's a lot of like mystery to it We're like you have to kind of fill in your own which I think makes it great I think it makes it great to another Reason it makes it great is you and I totally disagree on whether it was a love story without we don't really know Neither of us are really sure what it was about Without it being a so such a whacked-out movie that you're not supposed to know what it's about You know, but you and I came with two different opinions like what is this? Well, yeah, we know what it's about. It's about but we don't know what the characters are thinking at all times So it's a little bit mysterious in that way. It's just kind of cool Yeah, the story is not mysterious so much but the people are mysterious even though They do things that most they just kind of mm-hmm live a normal life and do things that most people would do Yeah, except for banging. There's no banging But I mean, don't get me wrong, I love the movie, but an 8-1, that's pretty high. That's pretty high. I was reading it. That's all about Eve high. Yeah, it's made some lists as like the greatest movie of all time. I've seen stuff like that. Yeah. Well, I mean, hey, what are you going to do? This is the Critics Consensus. Right. An exquisitely shot showcase for Maggie Chung and Tony Leung that marks a somber evolution of Wong Kar-wai's chic style. In the mood for love is a tantric tease that's liable to break your heart This movie did not make me feel sad I Was sad but not for the characters. I don't know why Maybe because I was there. I was in a mood for love, but because I always looked at it was their choice Yeah, it was always their choice you know and they just believed the other person when they said no way to can't do that instead of nobody was forcing the issue and saying you know hey what are we doing I mean maybe Tony show up with a ball of wine what yeah no drinking in this all right so that you ready for a break yep I will take a break and we'll come back and talk about past lives Okay. Que cuando, como y donde, tu siempre me respondes, quizás, quizás, quizás. All right, we're back. Our second Asian romance is a movie from this year. Very rarely do we do current hits. It's still in the movie theater somewhere probably yeah, this is Soon to be coming to Netflix probably mm-hmm. This is 2023 past lives This is directed by Celine song this is her first movie She's a playwright. Yep So she's coming out the gate with this and starring Greta Lee, an actress who I find to be incredibly annoying, simply from her part in Russian Doll. I think she's supposed to be annoying, but you know. I never saw that. Great job on you, Greta. And Tao Yu. Our old buddy. Yeah, Tao Yu is my wife's boyfriend. Is it? Oh yeah. He's a good looking guy. Hey look, she's got good taste, right? That's what I'm up against. Yeah, we saw him in the Russian movie Leto. Leto and Vertigo, yeah, a small part in Vertigo. And then the. Yeah, a small part in, god dang, another movie from this year. Decision to Leave? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's a handsome fella. He's on TV a lot over there, isn't he? Yeah, this is how much my wife likes him. He wrote a children's book, which is now in my house. We don't have children. So we have a children's book written in Korean, sitting in our house, written by this fella. He's from Germany. Yeah, yeah, yeah, his native language is German. Yeah, that's so weird. So yeah, I got a difficult relationship with this guy. I think he's a good actor. He's very good. But you know I'm just look I'm just kind of watching my watching my back whenever I see him on screen Yeah, he's just yeah, but he's married to like this kind of this like New York artist kind of I don't know like They don't match As far as like right lots of lots of ways, okay? She's much older than him. Yeah, it's kind of weird anyway That's a deep dive in a tail use love life, so this movie What do you think, Matt? Big picture. I actually watched it twice. I wasn't sure when I first saw it. You know, I liked it. I wasn't sure if I liked it a lot or I just liked it. So I went back and watched it again. And what's the verdict? I think I liked it. So it lost some of its luster on a second view? Yeah, and I you know, I I liked it. I didn't love it. You know, I think it has its moments It's a lot like the first movie. I think there's a lot of people looking at each other and not saying much and you know, I Mean I found it interesting, you know, I'm sure that it happens You know Do you ever think about your childhood sweetheart? Did you have one see that? So this movie was also super hyped Which is why I wanted to watch it plus this guy was in it So, you know as soon as I was able to find a torrent of this movie Me and my wife watched it because she as I mentioned, mm-hmm super into this dude. Did she like it? Yeah, I mean, oh, yeah. Yeah, she likes this guy's car commercial, right? So she's you know, she's biased. We're not gonna we're not gonna you know count her opinion. Yeah, but Yeah, it was super hyped and then when I after watching it, I was like, okay, like it's It wasn't what I was expecting. This movie is like very very quiet. Mm-hmm and very like Nothing really happens, you know like Like you said there's a lot of scenes of like I mean that the big scene is like three people sitting at a bar Yeah, that was my favorite scene. Yeah, that's the best scene of the movie yeah, and it's just a lot of that a lot of like people just sort of like, you know sort of walking around, looking at each other, looking out a window, it's like what's going on? So yeah, I think I probably like. A lot of longing. A lot of longing. And so what I think that this movie was really hyped, I'm going back to what I was trying to say, is that it's because I think a lot of people have that what if person. And I don't think that I have that. So I think that's why I don't feel like. I know I don't. So that's why it didn't hit me as hard as like maybe. Maybe why it didn't hit me. I mean I was confused, but I don't have that. I don't have somebody from eighth grade. It's just never happened to me. I don't have a lot of like, ooh, I wonder what if, dot, dot, dot. I have more like, whoo, whoo, bullet dodge kind of situations. You know, yeah, I mean it's, I mean what's the point? You can't go back and do anything And you never know well, I think that that's the point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, is that like that the past is the I mean the past is According to this movie in that culminating scene the past is something separate Mm-hmm, and it's not I'm not the person that you're that you think I left the person there who you think I am Right and now I'm different. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think it had a lot to say and I especially that one scene at the bar, I think there was a lot of you know, there was some interesting stuff. I liked the guy that played the husband. Yeah, he did a good job of just being like, this hanged on, concerned, like, what's going on here? Right, it doesn't hurt that the new guy in town is, you know, jacked and handsome and a foot taller than him, you know? John McGarrow was his name. Yeah, I remember him from the big short. Yeah, he was good. Yeah, he had that, like, oh my, you know what, eh? And that's what, the end of that scene at the bar was very uncomfortable, like, you know, he's apologizing, the Korean guy's apologizing for talking to his wife in Korean. He said, well, he had to come, you know. He had to come for both of them. You know, because it set, it set, it set the, wiped away the board, you know, Okay, this is this is from now on You know, we don't think about this anymore, right? Right that that that that circuit has been closed or whatever like it's done Now, let's move forward for both of them. Right? Right. Yeah, so more so for for him him. Yeah Yeah, well, he was still he was still That 12 year old we have I mean and like we're jumping around a little bit, which is fine Mm-hmm, you know, and I think he's when he's talking about his life He went from the military to this language school in China. He got a girlfriend which wasn't really serious. Because if you're not gonna marry her, it's not serious, right, in Korean culture especially. And then he's working. So he's, versus her, who's now pursuing her passions. She's got a partner she lives with. It's just a totally different life. She moved from Canada to New York City to do what she, you know, she changed. She didn't even remember his name when she was looking people up. She had to ask her mother, what was that kid's name that I... So she didn't even remember his name, but he remembered everything. He was the one who was really in love, she wasn't. She went off and lived her life without even looking back. But I think once they reconnected, I think that did come back to her. It was so much that she had to stop it because she's like, this is impossible, what are we doing? Yeah, you could see it. I thought she did a good job, Greta Lee, in this movie. Yeah, you could see it. You see her like, ugh, I gotta, no, this has gotta stop. And it would've ruined everything. It just would've been different, right? Yeah, it would've been different. I think that's the thesis of the movie, is that it just would've been different, right? Like, if you take this path, open that door, whatever, it's just gonna be different, it's not better or worse. Well, that's what her mother said when the two were still kids. They went on their date, the two mothers took them on this date, and she said, why are you immigrating? You're leaving everything. She goes, no, you always find something else. Yeah, right. And that's true. I think what I like about this movie Is that it like totally rejects this this like, you know Romantic idea of like fates or destiny. Yeah, like every other movie. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's not fate. It's like you it's your choice It's your choice but also it's like your circumstances like you don't you didn't find your partner because you two were somehow destined you found them because You work together or yeah, they're in the same artist retreat or you know, you know, it's like Laurie and I met We're both single in our 50s or you know, and no kids Right. You know, that's it. Right. It's not like the, you know, the gods intervene to make this happen. It's just like, well, you know, it's the people around you. Unless they're really bad gods. Right. Ooh, okay. But yeah, so we've already kind of gone through. Oh, when were you in? Especially on your second viewing. Oh, I liked the kids. Yeah. I thought they were cute together. What'd you think about the opening of this movie? Oh, I had to that's why I had to check the subtitles. I'm thinking this is in English. I thought it was dubbed. I'm going no, they don't dub movies anymore, do they? Yeah, but I said, oh my god, and I started I stopped it and I checked the subtitle what's going on here This is not even a Korean film. No, it's a Canadian Because she's from Canada the director. Yeah. Yeah. See long silly lean song. She's from Canada. Yeah So, it's Canadian, American, Korean film. But the opening is people sort of commenting on what ends up being one of the final scenes. Right. That was pretty cool. It was interesting. It was an interesting way to do it. And I think it sounded like her voice, too. Who? Greta Lee. Oh, really? Yeah. The second time I saw it, I said, that sounds like her. Oh, I wonder if it was her and her husband somehow like talked, or partnered. It might have been. That'd be interesting. I didn't think about that. I didn't make that connection. I just thought it was like two people sort of like, you know, people watching. I think it was her and her husband, like kind of looking back on that, you know. So they were another version of themselves. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, multiverse. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was interesting that they were kind of commenting on, oh, what do you think their relationship is, or? So did that scene, that opening scene, get you into the movie? Actually. You've probably lived that scene. No. What do you mean, like watching other people? No, I mean you and your wife are from different countries, you know, and you might have a friend I don't think she's never brought like an old flame around like when I'm with her family There's a lot of like a lot of stations happening and I'm just like I kind of understand a little bit understand kind of what they're Saying but like when they when someone else jumps in I'm like, I'm just totally lost. I can't follow. That's right Yeah Um, but I meant like the like that kind of like commentary on the scene. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I thought it was interesting, but I was also like, oh, I hope this movie's not too weird, right? Right, it wasn't it wasn't it was not weird at all. Yeah, that's the weirdest thing in the movie I thought there's gonna be like some different like artistic flourishes like that, but that was it As far as like something sort of out of the bounds of normal But then the kids man, like yeah, and that first scene where the kids really They showed the future of both of them. She was crying because she had the second best grade in the class and for once he beat her but she's still crying. She's so selfish and she's so competitive and he's going, okay, I'm sorry, that kind of thing. He says, but how do you think that makes me feel? You come in first, I'm always second behind you and you come in first and once I beat you, you start crying. How does that make me feel? Yeah, red flags, man. Yeah, yeah. She just run there. It's 12-year-old red flags. Yeah, man, Teo, she just ended it there. Yeah. So let's jump ahead. Did you like the kids? Yeah. Yeah, the kids were good. They were very good. The scene in the classroom, there was a little short scene where she's telling them, I'm going to, you know, I'm emigrating because they don't give Nobel prizes for literature and for Koreans and stuff like that, it's like, okay. But I liked them, they walked together, you know. Up those, like, the hills. Yeah, up the hills, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I liked them, they were good. And, like, what was it, it seemed like her and her sister were, like, picking their names. Right, yeah, that was, we never see her sister again. Which, and she's never really mentioned again. No. That's, yeah, yeah. But, you know, it just adds a little bit, like, you know. I wasn't, I didn't spend the film morning, like, what's her sister up to? Yeah, yeah, where's she gonna come in? Where is she? Maybe he could meet her All right, so the plot rundown do this pretty quickly two kids have a 12 years old have like a relationship not romantic, but you know they're a little bit older. Maybe it would be the girl her family emigrates to Canada and They just lose touch and then he's looking for her on Facebook. He's putting messages like have you seen and what was her name, Nayoung? Nayoung. Yeah, we see Nayoung, and then somehow she stumbles upon this message. She's totally changed her name. Now she's Nora, and so she connects with him. That's why I can't find her, yeah. And then they're doing, they start talking over Skype, and it starts like, you would imagine, seemed pretty realistic. Like, so what are you up to? And then kind of, they fall into like, a little bit closer, and it's getting like a little more flirtatious, and a little more intimate, despite the distance. and then they have to end it, right? He's going to China, she's going to an artist retreat. Yeah, and she's not gonna wait. She goes, I'm in New York, this is where I belong. But then they reconnect again. Right, which I thought was kind of the worst part of the movie, it kind of dragged it a little bit. What do you mean? I just didn't, I don't know, I thought the scenes went a little too long, and they weren't really, I know I understand why they did it, but I didn't think there was too much of it. I thought this movie was really tight. I didn't find any way to fit it. That's the only time I was kind of drifting. So he's broken up with his girlfriend. She's not married, right? She just has a partner? Or was she married? She was married. She's married, okay. So he knows that, but he decides, or he gets encouraged by, he's sitting around with his friends, and he's just like, all right, I gotta go. Like what I'm not there's nothing nothing's happening here, right Korea. I'm gonna go see What's what's going on over there? so he goes and The whole movie is a little unclear what his intentions are right? Right he kind of figures got one last shot, and he's taking it, but he's not like real overt about it No, I mean he's very timid anyways. Yeah, you know he's afraid to say remember it when they first got on Skype He says I don't know why I'm telling you this But I missed you. Yeah, so he's not a guy that's very forthcoming anyways, right and so They meet a couple times they hang out It's kind of a mix of a little bit Uncomfortable, but also familiar. Yep. They're having a good time, but it's very uncomfortable Mm-hmm and then Because I I think that At that point. I don't think either one knew what was gonna happen, right? It's not like a you know, where she says, there's definitely nothing gonna happen, right? It's one of the things where if nothing's gonna happen why you meet them, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's like and so then she goes back home and she's talking to her husband and he that's when he's like What's going on, like what's actually happening? And she's pretty reassuring to him, but you can tell that he's not really into it. This isn't his favorite thing that's happening. He's doing it for her. He's got this look on his face like, all right, but I don't like this at all. Yeah, I don't think that I would be down with that. I think if my wife was like, I'm gonna bring over my ex-boyfriend. You would say no? I'd probably say well, why I think it's have the conversation and then No I mean is that we're doing now like Am I bringing over next girlfriend like we just having a party? I spent the day with one of glorious boyfriends her and I did one day he was shown it was very weird. Yeah You know, he's nice guy. I don't know what he was doing. I don't know again. I don't know what his intentions were Okay, interesting And I don't know. I can't remember if she contacted him or you know, whatever But yeah, it was just kind of weird, it's a weird vibe. So then eventually the three of them all end up at a bar and that is the culminating scene really where you know, he's talking and he's like, they switch to Korean and they kind of, you know, exclude the English speaker, her husband, and they just kind of hash it all out and she sells him. He says like, you know, I wonder, like, what if? Yeah. You know, and she's like, don't bother, because the person that you remember doesn't exist. Right, and he says I like when he said I didn't think liking your husband make me so sad I didn't think what I I didn't think liking your husband so much would make me feel so sad. Yeah And the gus was just in there yeah, I mean how would you I mean Yeah, how would you act it's like I'd be another double Please. Okay. Can I get a double whiskey? It is tricky because as they're talking, they say his name. So I'm sure he's looking over like, okay. But it's a great, I really like that scene. I thought it was really well done. Learned a lot about, I like that when he's talking about his job, in Korea when you work, first you do your boss's work, then you do your own, and then you can go home. Doesn't matter what time it is. I had a friend, and she told me that she could never go home because her boss, no one could go home before the boss, but her boss did not like his home life. So she said he would just stay in his office on his phone playing some fishing game. Oh my God. Until like 7 p.m. and then he'd leave and then everyone else could leave. Oh, what an asshole. Yeah. Yeah, why don't you just go out and drink or something? Yeah, that's the other thing this this friend told me she told me that like she did she didn't drink it Make would make her real sick But she had to practice because she had to go out every now and then and like drink with these people And so she said that what she would do is she would do his shot every night before she went to sleep Oh my god her body used to Just to be able to keep your job, yeah So yeah, that's a little insight That was pretty cool. You know, he talked about army But yeah in that scene I like it because he's basically explaining like my life ain't great Like I'm holding on to the past for a reason Yeah Hopefully this will have a lot of future. I'll be this will give him some us motivation to you know Maybe find someone new he's a good-looking fella. I'll find someone I like how they changed his hairstyle in the middle of it when he's young Yeah, it's comb forward. Yeah, all of a sudden. He's like GQ well, you know with the hair, I think it's pretty accurate as far as like Yeah, yeah, but I just just happen to notice it. Okay. He looks much younger. Yeah, they didn't make him look younger Yeah in the very beginning, you know and I think one thing we didn't talk about is so we talked about like the intimate moments between Teo and I Was forget her name grace Greta Greta But her husband also they also had some some moments that like you got a sense that their relationship was not like flimsy you know like it was also like deep and established I had like layers to it and they have like a lot of history themselves. Yeah there's no there's no crack right there's not but it's not gonna happen because there's no crack in their relationship they're pretty well bonded together so I love the scene when she comes home you You see her walk in and he's like, he's got his headphones on, playing video games. It's like, wow, you guys are very comfortable together. Um, music? I don't even remember it. At some point I felt like I was getting a massage. It was that kind of music. And it changes over time, but I mean, it was very like something, you know, that just wanted to fall asleep. Well, I think the music has to be something that is minimal, you know, for a movie like this. Yeah, because I think in the first movie the music Really enhanced what was going on and it filled a lot of holes. This really didn't it Didn't have a part. I mean you have music but there's something yeah, you need something but I'm gonna say this movie is the ranking all-time in like Looks that people give each other Both these movies are there's a lot of like yeah and and of a lot being said with the eyes and of the else of you do you remember the name of Arthur's book, he's doing the book book signing don't lose boner I Didn't know it was a joke But yeah, there's all these books is a boner on it. It's just yeah Do they reference that at all? I don't remember. No. No, he's just he's just signing books And she's bringing him a coffee and there's not even there's you know They don't even talk to me. There's just a little short shot of him signing books and it's called boner Yeah, I love I love that Um, so he's a, he's a writer. She is a, she works in a museum. She's a playwright. She's a playwright. That's right. And she's, she's actually like producing a play. She's actually making a living. Right, right, right, right, right. Yeah. Like, I like that, like also the choice that both of them are artists and they have that bond together also that Teo can never understand. And then also like they're doing the thing that they love, whereas he's just doing a thing. Exactly. Exactly. He's, at some point, he says to her that he's ordinary. Yeah. That he's just ordinary, and she definitely isn't. You know. It's not going to work out. No. Should have written boner. Yeah. I have to go back and check that out. That's amazing. I don't know how I didn't catch that. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but that's what it looked like. B-O-N-E-R? Yeah, you know any are boner boner did a French French mystery novel. Yeah Any other insights on the boner no no no we don't hate the kids the dames negligible No recast it just came out sounds like we discussed No, not the cinematography didn't jump out a little bit in New York I mean some of the direction was cool like like when they're talking to each other like kind of like one person's face in a way There's a lot of like that kind of like The way that they stood kind of showed how they felt about each other. That was kind of interesting There's some of that there was a scene that I felt To the kind of portend the future kind of thing. Yeah was When she arrives at the writers retreat Goes to you know walks in each bedroom. Yeah, then picks her own, you know Then she falls asleep and then out through the window. We see him arrive. So I thought it was a pretty cool scene Yeah, she doesn't wake up She just you know, he rise gets out of the cab and comes in, you know So I know I was pretty clutch cool shot through the window. He's like, I'm here to work on my math. Yes And he got Seduced him so yeah Yeah, the difference between this movie and the previous one, this movie had banging. Of course, we didn't even talk about, what's it called? Where you pass lives, where you're ... In-yon? In-yon, yeah. Yeah, that's ... I mean, that's like a Korean idea that like, when I was in Korea, like, Korean people weren't really chatting to me about that. No, no, no. Yeah. Yeah, maybe they didn't want to know my past life. All right, Matt. Do you want to get some scores? This is so this has just come out right now 20 These letters keep getting smaller here numbers 28,000 people on IMDB I'll go Seven six Eight Nope check, please Yeah, I don't think that eight is gonna stand. I think that's that's good. It's more people watch it It'll be around 7.5. Yeah, man, I don't know if you are aware of how much hype is around this movie. There's a ton of hype. Well, you told me about it, and then some Twitter shows up, and it was a five-star review. Yeah. Yeah, so eight. I don't think it's going to stand. I think it'll probably fall to the low sevens, and I think it's a little bit more accurate. Tomato meter, 244 reviews. 99. 98. Yeah. So what is that that means like four people were like it's not a hundred right it's crazy and the audience just over a thousand people Which tells you all you need to know about this movie critically loved audience not many people have seen it. Yeah 89 93 93 a Couple of blockbusters this week man movies. We chose nobody got murdered in our movies. There's no bull No, there's no nothing. There's not one duplicitous day. Well, I guess there was in the first one. We never saw her Yeah, yeah, it's totally unlike Robert Mitchum didn't strangle anyone But I like both the movies they're good yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good to watch them a little bit different every now Yeah, yeah, we get back to gangsters and you know Gene Hackman my show good Gloria past lives Because it was some of its in English and you know and the subtitles are really easy to read on that one Sometimes they aren't So we're gonna be out for a little bit. Oh, I gotta read the Chris consensus. Oh, yeah remarkable debut for writer-director Selene song past lives uses the bonds between its sensitively sketched central characters to support trenchant observations on the human condition To feel a lot of trenchant observations of the human condition the whole time. I was watching it. I don't even know what that word means Trenchant, okay. No, it's like like a trench. Yeah You're saying we're gonna be out I'm gonna be gone, you know, we'll be back with a we're not sure what we're gonna watch it Yeah, we're taking a planned hiatus. Sometimes we just disappear because life but yeah, Matt is going to sunny, Florida for a few weeks In a week for a couple weeks in a week for 11 days. Yeah, so so we'll probably be back sometime in November, late October. Maybe we'll do a Halloween movie, something scary. Yeah. Something gory. Yeah, I'll be back on the 20th or something, so. Yeah. Halloween. Something like that. All right, we'll send each other scary movies. Something, we'll find a twist that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right, peace. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. It's a guy who doesn't care about books or interesting films and things. Then I'm a Philistine. No, you're interested in books and things. No, I'm a Philistine. You've been shitting in my yard. I have not. You gotta hold the chicken, huh? I want you to hold it between your knees. So, Jane, what you do here in effect is count boners. I am Houston! I am Houston! I'm sure that I agree with you 100%. I'm going to please you, sir, Lord. I'm going to please you. I'm coming to get you. I was born as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore! It's, it's, it's, it's, it's fun!