ENVISIONING an EPIC LIFE: UNCORKED with JUSTIN BREEN

Are you ready to redefine what it means to live an extraordinary life? Are you ready for a revolution? Ready to turn the mundane into the monumental? Are you ready to uncover the secrets of transforming your narrative, harnessing your unique strengths, and creating meaningful connections that propel you to the pinnacle of your potential? Are you Ready to dive heart-first into the "Epic Life" waiting for you?

If you are, then this conversation with Justin Breen, the author of "Epic Life," a no-holds-barred guide to living with purpose, passion, and push - is just what you need.

In this UNCORK conversation, Justin and I explore what it means to live an epic life and how to achieve it. Justin shares that visionaries are born, not made, and have a mindset of no excuses and pure action. We talk about the challenges and obstacles visionaries share, including depression, anxiety, and trauma. Justin shares his personal journey of starting his own company and the power of connecting with other visionaries. Our conversation explores the experiences and perspectives of visionaries and their unique connection to a higher power. It delves into the idea that visionaries see things dimensionally and can tap into the "information and ideas" around us. Justin also shares insights from his upcoming book, 'Epic Journey,' which he believes will have a profound and transformative impact on the world.

Tim Windsor
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ENVISIONING an EPIC LIFE: UNCORKED with JUSTIN BREEN

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Hey, my friends. Welcome back to the Uncommodified Podcast. I'm Tim Windsor, and I've got some questions for you as we start this podcast. Here's the questions I want you to think about. Are you ready to redefine what it means to live an extraordinary life? Are you ready for a revolution, potentially ready to turn the mundane into something monumental?

Are you ready to uncover secrets of transforming your narrative, harnessing your unique strengths and creating meaningful connections that propel you to the pinnacle of what you could achieve? Are you ready to dive heart first, not just head first, but heart first into an epic life, the life that's probably been waiting for you.

If you are, then this conversation is for you. This conversation with Justin Breen, the author of Epic Life, A No Holds Barred Guide to Living with Purpose, Living with Passion, and Living with Push. This is going to be what you need. Justin, welcome to

the show. 

Honored and grateful to be here. Thank you for having me.

Oh, thanks a lot. Really appreciate that. And again, if you're listening in, [00:01:00] you're listening for a reason. Thanks for joining us. It's an uncork conversation. We're going to uncork a drink and get to it. I've got a non alcoholic beer.

What do you got, 

Justin? 

I have a, Oh, way to tap it. Is it a Molson? Is it a 

No, no, this is from a microbrewery in Northern 

Ontario.

Even better. 

Even better. 

even better. 

You know, Northern Ontario

has its own briar curling, champion. I always thought that was really interesting in the briar. I'm an American by the way, but like an honorary Canadian. So that Northern Ontario has its own like a representative in the briar always was 

I know, it's pretty crazy. And if you're watching on the YouTube channel, Justin's representing for Canada tonight because we're recording this on the night when the Americans are, or when the Canadians are playing the Argentinians. So by the time this airs, it'll be long history, but tonight Justin's representing and I appreciate that, sir.

Thank you very much. 

welcome. Yes. 

So how are you an honorary Canadian? How did we,

do we let anybody

become an honorary 

I don't know. Well okay, I will answer [00:02:00] that because that's a good question. The so I'm 47 years old. Before becoming entrepreneur, I was a sports editor and covered NHL, mostly the Blackhawks. , so, met and talked to a lot of Canadians there. Used to sing the Canadian national anthem at minor league baseball games.

I actually prefer singing that song to the American one. It's, it's, uh, full disclosure, I think it's a much better song, and then it's just easier, it's just an easier, , song to sing, , and I like singing it. And then I spend my entire day talking to the Worldstop Visionaries, or folks that want to become Worldstop Visionaries, I would say 20 percent of them live in Canada or are from Canada originally, so I talk to a lot of Canadians.

A

there a reason why do you think? What is it about Canadians? Is it our water? That's.

lot of water in Canada, a lot of great people, and, cold weeds out the weak, , so true north strong and free, , you know, weeds out the week, so only [00:03:00] the strong really can survive in climates like that. And, , it also creates a beautiful country. , and then it's really interesting.

I, you know, I'm a high fact finder and researcher. I like research and everyone I talk to is an American, whether they're here. Been here, I've never been here. So America is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And then Most Americans are actually Canadian.

So Canada's motto or mantra is peace, order, and good government. That is not visionary, but most Americans are actually Canadian. And then every Canadian I talk to is an American.

There you go. And just to full disclosure, since where you live and where I live are actually directly almost across each other on the map, I get your weather like a day and a half later. So thank you very much. All the crappy weather we get, it comes from Chicago. The airport you never run a fly into if you have a tight connection because you're never getting out of there 

alive. 

Zero 

Zero chance. Yeah. That's O'Hare. But anyways, listen, another day, another conversation. Justin, here's my [00:04:00] question. You

wrote two books, Epic 

Business, Epic 

Three now, technically. Three, 

Hold on. What's the 

other one? 

Well, the one I just finished is Epic Journey. I'm grateful that Dr. Deepak Chopra

just agreed to do the introduction for it. So it's been developed since you and I 

When's that, when's that 

coming out? 

TBD, I just officially announced that partnership a couple of days ago, actually. And then the Chopra Foundation CEO Poonacha Machai, he just interviewed me about it.

So I'm really excited about all the collaborations that are going to 

Oh, that's, that's awesome. That's awesome. So listen, what's an epic life here? My question is really simple tonight. What's an epic life based on your understanding and definition and how do you and I find one and

live one? That's my 

question. 

Yeah, yeah, talk is meaningless without without action. And you know, success is the progressive realization of a worthy ideal. That used to be my favorite quote. It's from Earl Nightingale. Success is the progressive realization of a worthy ideal. My [00:05:00] worthy ideal has always been connecting visionaries to serve humanity, and then you just keep getting better at that.

So since you and I first talked, that is or first opened this conversation, I think it was in March success is the progressive realization of a worthy ideal. That worthy ideal has progressively gotten better. So when you and I had first talked, I had no idea I was going to write a third book. No idea that , Dr.

Deepak Chopra would be doing an introduction, and no idea you know, the mastermind I helped co found is, was, would be named one of the top five masterminds on the planet or that would be scaling quickly and no idea that I'd be heading over to Harvard to go to an event that Dr. Deepak Chopra , would be speaking and I'd be hanging out with him and his friends at a VIP dinner in the next couple of months.

So I didn't know any of that would happen. But what I did know is my purpose. I did know that the purpose of connecting visionaries to serve humanity, and I also knew one other really important thing. To never, ever make an excuse. Ever. [00:06:00] Ever. And an epic life, to me, is not making excuses, and, you know, and following your heart, no matter what.

And most people, there's no right or wrong answer, but most people make excuses and live in fear or cause scarcity, and they prevent their own epic life with their own inaction. And I am the exact opposite of that, with pure action, pure following heart, and pure, absolute no excuses, ever. Ever. 100%.

you born this way, Justin, or did you

arrive at this? You were, 

so it, so it was 

You're either born like this, you're either

born like this or you're not. I'm convinced of that.

Wow, so this is,

this is a nature thing. 

Well, that's a great question. I I'm sure of it that you're either born like this or you're not, because if other people were born like this, they would do this. They wouldn't make an excuse. They wouldn't do that. However, if you are born like this, which is very rare I'd venture to say our company's partner with maybe out of one, one out of a thousand people.

It's probably less than that, but one out of a thousand is 8 million out of 8 billion. So there's 8 [00:07:00] million is still a pretty good number. Still a pretty good number. But if you are born like this, then you can work on your heartset and mindset and success is progressive realization of a worthy ideal.

So you can, you can do that. But no, if everyone was born like this, it'd be anarchy. I mean, it'd be chaos. It would be insanity. It would be, I mean, it would just be, the world would melt. So the world needs far more employees or consultants or small business owners. I mean, It, you know, thank God for that.

If the entire world was like me and people like me, that would not be, that would not be good.

did not be a,

would not be a good 

day. 

It would be the opposite of an epic. There would be no planet. It would just be completely destroyed.

So what is it that I can do if, if, if I've got this DNA in me, how do I prepare my heart and my mind towards an action orientated understanding about what I, what

life is for me. 

[00:08:00] Tremendous. That's a very deep philosophical, deep feeling, and deep thinking question. So preparing for this, I don't think you can prepare for this. I think I think the real answer is if you're talking like this or talking like someone like me and 999 out of a thousand people just stare at you and or laugh, then you probably are like this.

You just aren't around people like this because it's very rare to be like this. My favorite quote now, , is from Ralph Waldo Emerson from the mid 1800s. To be great is to be misunderstood. To be great is to be misunderstood. Everyone I talk to is is among the most people on the planet and that's why they're great.

So I, I guess to fairly answer your question being prepared for this is if no one understands what you're talking about. No one. And then, oh, you're just not supposed to be in regular human society.[00:09:00] 

So, so by nature, people who are going to find these things are going to be living on the outside 

Yes. 100%. 

They're going to be and they're not going to want to live in the safe middle. They want to live in the inconvenient and the anarchy of the of the 

outside. 

yes. And what you're great at, and I can hear it, is you're a great discerner, and you're a great active listener and translator for your audience. That's a very wonderful and rare skill and, and just as background, talk is meaningless to me. So I was, I was a journalist for 20 years, so I could listen to people like us talking and then distill it, discern, galvanize into a story.

And so I can hear you listening, and then simplifying in a great way so people can, so people can understand. And again, that's a great, that's a great gift. But, but no, a visionary usually, but not always is an alien within their own family, [00:10:00] community, and vertical. And then to double down and, and fully answer your question from a firsthand perspective, and then all the people I talked to at this point, because I only talk to visionaries now.

It took a long time to get to that point, but you never stop. So, so I would say unconsciously I was like this my whole life. And then it just finally came out into the conscious. So there was something Deep, deep inside me. And then for any visionary that you just, you never stop, you never make an excuse and you keep communicating or acting or feeling like this and eventually it's like, Oh, I just wasn't meant for regular human world.

I was meant to be a visionary, meant to be a visionary. And then to triple down on that, the greatest value of being like this is that my, my sons who are 10 and 11 and both pure visionaries get to see this world even exists because most people don't know that they exist. So, and then they can do whatever they want with it.

So that's my great, greatest gift is being [00:11:00] able to show them that this exists.

that's powerful. So how do you go from a relatively safe world of

journalism? 

Although it's probably Not 

journalism. And then the, 

it's not that safe, I get it. But comparably to this to this anarchy that we're embracing. What, what happens? Is it a pleasurable event that catapult you or is it a absolute painful kick your ass event where the universe gets your attention?

Okay. So thank you for asking that. There are four things that separate visionaries from humans, business owners, consultants. There are only four. One bankruptcy or potential bankruptcy. Two, depression. Three, highest level of anxiety you can imagine. Four, trauma as a child or young adult. So humans, business owners, small business owners, consultants, those are excuses.

Visionary, figure it out. Okay, oh, figure it out. So just to start, first company, I'll give you a very quick timeline, very quick timeline. So, February 10th, 2017, I was working full [00:12:00] time as a journalist. Had a five minute meeting with a company's owner and managing editor, and they cut my job salary in half.

They terminated two other people that day, but cut my job salary in half. Okay, whatever. Tried to find a job. Couldn't find a job. Incorporated zero business background. I still don't know what an S Corp is. I didn't know you had to pay taxes four times a year. I, I still didn't, I don't care about any of that stuff, never have.

But so six days after turning 40, April 16th, 2017 incorporated and while working full time at half salary. So over next six weeks reached out to 5, 000 people. It was more than 5, 000, but it's easier to say 5, 000. Reached out to 5, 000 people to find first five clients. With zero business background got fifth client on June 1st, resigned June 2nd, and then at the time, he's since retired, but at the time, Robert Feeder was the top media columnist in the Midwest, he did a story, I'd started my own firm.

So that was just a start, the first company with zero business background, most people can't do that, cause they're not wired like that. And the worst [00:13:00] day of my journalism career was also the best day when I had job salary cut in half so that was the worst and best day.

That's not even the top 100 worst days of being an entrepreneur. It's not, maybe not even the top 200 now. Eh, 150, 150, we'll just say that. But, and then now to have two global companies that only partner with world's top visionaries are those who will make investment to do that. That's been a seven year process of success is progressive realization of a worthy ideal.

And then of those four things, I'm three of the four knock on wood. I haven't had to worry about bankruptcy or potential bankruptcy. But almost everyone I talk to now is at least three of those four things. Most people I talked to are all four now. Most are all four.

It's interesting because I think historically, when we think of these kinds of people you know, if we think historically, I the sad part is that these people would have lived in the shadows, they would have lived with tremendous labeling they would have lived, frankly, many of them would have been called, if they were males, they were called warlocks,

if they were women, they

were called witches. 

is, yeah, they drown them. They would 

[00:14:00] Yes, because they, because they, they saw things as if they were when they weren't. And that's somewhat hallucinogenic

in

nature,

they took care of Joan of Arc by burning her

at the stake for, for them. Yeah.

they sure did. And so it is interesting because you think we're at a moment in time where the place of visionaries And people who can operate in this level is starting to be honored more, or is it still in an area where people aren't sure if they should touch

these alchemists? 

Okay. One, The Alchemist is a great book. I had it right over here. I don't say this lightly. I'm very grateful for this, but the book, the Epic Journey book I just finished, it's a real life alchemist. That's, it's real. Like it's, that's why, that's why people like Dr. Deepak Chopra are behind it because that's just what it is.

And again, I, I can barely tie my shoes. Or hold a pencil right, but that's that's my gift to the world is that book So [00:15:00] I'm I'm grateful for that. So to answer your question, though I don't live in the human world. So I don't know. I don't know What most people think about?

In terms of what I actually do or the people I connect so Sadly, or not sadly, I've just learned to ignore. I, I, I didn't know there was a presidential debate here recently. I didn't even know who was in the presidential debate. My our ten year old Chase, who's a, he's a genius. Both of our sons are geniuses, but ten year old Chase was like, Dad, you know who Kamala Harris is?

I go, I don't, who is that? He goes, it's the vice president of the United States. I go, oh, okay, I didn't know that. But um, And then youth, our, our sons are both really good athletes. So go out into the human world to watch them participate in sports. And it's very difficult for me to have conversations in that setting, very difficult. What I will say is that because of technology and what happened with COVID in terms of [00:16:00] visionaries connecting quicker Like the partner for second company, Epic Fit Network, we've met three times in person since officially quote unquote meeting in 20, in 2020, late 2020. So we've only met three times in person and we've had one big in person event.

Our next one's in September, but most of our, almost all of our meetings are virtual almost all of our meetings are virtual. So because of that. For visionaries, and I guess anyone in general, but it's re it has fast tracked that it has fast tracked the connectivity between visionaries on a global level.

But I mean, without knowing for sure, I would still guess that most visionaries are completely misunderstood by the vast majority of society. Survival. 

agree. And when we talk about this, this kind of individual, I think of some people that I've met and partnered with over the years, particularly in a lot of work that I did in Africa. And it was really interesting [00:17:00] because I think some of them. Were visionaries out of necessity for survival.

They had to. They had to envision a future totally disconnected from the present realities and oppression they were living in. And, and, and I remember one time, as you talk, I think about this one gentleman, his name is Scott, and we were in Zimbabwe, and we, he took me to this dam, and we stood on the edge of this dam, and it was, the reservoir was full, and the river was flowing out of it, and he talked about a story of the visionary who came to, who had a vision to build that dam, and stood on the precipice of that land when it was dry as a fart in a windstorm.

And had a vision to build this dam, but the, but the, there was nobody to build it. And finally he was able to articulate his vision and the, the, the most prominent civil engineer in all of all of the country in Zimbabwe [00:18:00] signed up without pay to build that dam

A hundred percent. 

because they could see the land being watered before it ever was.

Yes. 

That's, that's, that's the

power.

Well, here's there's so there's two things from that. There are two things besides that being a very powerful story. Very powerful. And I always laugh too when people are afraid of the rain. I'm like, well, you're like 80 percent water. So you're afraid of yourself.

It's kind of funny, but all right, that's nothing. But, so, so with that particular story, that particular story, I have found there are only two commonalities, two true commonalities between With the, with the top visionaries that I've seen and then again journalists are 20 years So all I do is talk to visionaries or people like that or people that overcome the odds.

So one One commonality was they had the same mindset. No, like covering the NHL. No excuses. No, never no excuses [00:19:00] And then the second part of that is they had I haven't met the exception to this yet It would be interesting if that existed, but I haven't. But all of these people, whether visionary or top athlete or top actor, top musician, whatever that is, they had at least one person, one, who genuinely believed in and or cared about them.

So that could have been a parent, could have been a coach could have been a teacher, a mentor, an engineer. I don't know. Some, one person. I, I have not seen the exception of anyone who had zero people care about them. That'd be interesting. Okay. So that's one. And then the second thing with starting the Epic fit network, I was just out there.

I'm like, I'm tired of being in rooms with, with and there's nothing right or wrong with this, but mostly white men business owners, consultants. I don't, I don't, that's not my world. It never has been so had, I'm like, I got to create, got to create a room of only visionaries. Had, had to do it. And.

And the first person who saw that and believed in it was partner, Mark Fujiwara, who again, we have met three times [00:20:00] in person since late 2020. And, and he believed in it. And then we started getting it going. And then my wife, who's a pediatrician, , she saw the gap that was needed to be filled.

And so she's like, Oh, I can be COO for the company. And that was a year ago and then a year ago, approximately at this time, we had six members and now we have 75 because we had, you have the, the teamwork now to build the dam to build the dam. And then now there's nothing outbound at all. All the members, they, the members are the ones that bring others to the dam.

I don't, I haven't done anything outbound in, in a long time now because, but to your point earlier, I saw the, I saw the, I saw it. I, and I, and I'll tell you exactly when I saw it I was driving, at the time I had a very fast BMW. I don't have it anymore. I have a different fast car because I like driving fast, but I was driving on the highway and I saw [00:21:00] it.

I just saw it and I, I, I floored the accelerator, like like just floored it and I just completely floored it. And you could just, I just felt it so strongly. I have not, I've only felt like that a couple of times in my entire life. I describe it as a glitch in the, a glitch in the epic, like an electro, electro shock um,

in the 

matrix. 

like a glitch in that that's what it felt like.

And I've only felt that like that a couple other times. 

So let me ask you, not

in a religious 

way, but 

Religion means binding. Religion means binding. 

Yeah.

right. But in a, in a, from a spiritual 

Yep. Yes. Faith. Yeah. 

think that those people who see these things are seeing something dimensionally in ways that change the 

game? 

Oh, a hundred percent. In many, in many ways, in many ways. So, like, and I don't say things flippantly or lightly. Like writing this book, [00:22:00] it came from a higher power. Like, it just, just channeled. My wife and I were just on Necker Island. Very grateful. That's where Sir Richard Branson lives.

So, we hung out with him for a week. earlier this year. And I was asking him about this, because like he should have been killed so many times. He should be dead. Like it's, he almost died in a bike accident literally right in front of me. I mean he posted it on Instagram, but like he was wiped out right in front of me on a bicycle.

So like how are you still alive? And he said he's always had a North Star protecting him. Oh, he's, he quoted North Star. And like a true visionary, it just comes from, it just comes from somewhere else. It just does. And most people will never understand that. They, they won't believe that. They won't.

And then a true visionary also looks far beyond their own body lifetime. That's another big a big difference between a visionary. Like a business owner, they're thinking about, and this is fine. This is fine. They're thinking about their own lifetime or making money, which is also fine. True visionary looks well past their own lifetime into multiple [00:23:00] generations, and they know it's not about them at all.

It's really about serving humanity and a higher power, more importantly.

I, you know what? I, I really, I still resonate with that and I, I do believe it's so true. It's actually it's this, it's the subject of, of the second book that I'm going to be writing. I'm hoping I'm going to get it out next year. But the title of that book is Unenders and the subtitle is When It's

All Said But Never Really Done. 

Never 

done. Well, there's two, there are two 

about legacy. It's about

legacy.

100%. So, okay, I'll, two things from that. One, if you need a book publisher, I have several good options for you. Two I'll send you the the manuscript for Epic Journey because I know, I know reading that will help it, like, it's, you'll see.

But anyway, part of Epic Journey book is I'll send you the manuscript. There are two, there are two deaths, there are two deaths. So one is living body death, okay, fine, I mean, I'm guessing everybody understands that one. Um, the second one, you don't really actually die as long as your your purpose or [00:24:00] consciousness is still being discussed by others after your death, so you don't actually really die.

That's 

right. 

And well, yes, that's right. That's your answer. Most people would be like, huh? So that's my point. So you're a visioner. You understand. But if you go out in the real world and talk like this, it doesn't, or not real world, but human world or whatever world that is, it doesn't, it doesn't work. So like, I'm not worried about one of the chapters in Epic Journey is life is death and death is life.

Like, I'm not worried about body death at all. And I mean, it doesn't. So as 

No, it's, you know, it is, you know, and let me try, try this on you. Tell me if this is sort of the way it feels for you and other visionaries. So I have this sense that there is information all around us, like, like, right, like right now. All around us

are radio waves, television waves, all that, right? And if, if I, if I tuned in, if I have a receiver, I can instantly tune in, but it was already present all around 

a hundred percent. It was 

So [00:25:00] visionaries, I think, have this attenuation of something in their psyche that allows them to pick up on this thing. And then they're, then when they articulate it, they're articulating something they see, feel, smell, taste. And it's all around everybody, but only a very select few can attenuate to

that 

100 percent yeah, so that ding I just sent you the manuscript for epic journey, but the 

Thank you. 

you're welcome Thank you means acknowledging the other person's humanity Learn that in our group the second person in the United States to buy a flying car He taught the group what thank you means. So I I think that's contribution Eight figure eight figure visionary teaches the group of what thank you means, but that's but that's my point like that's more interesting to me, but let, let me answer it this way, if it's okay.

And I kind of did already, but like, unconsciously, unconsciously, visionaries, it's a commandment to [00:26:00] be a certain way or do a certain thing. It's a, they just can't, there is no choice. People always talk about making choices or, for a visionary, there's no, you have to do it.

It's a commandment. It's your, you have to do it. And then what I've seen is, again, and it takes, I'm convinced it takes minimum 40 good years, probably longer. I just did my human design, which is a really good assessment. And that contends that actually, you actually hit your, your real role model level at age 50.

I'm 47, so I'm actually, I guess, ahead of that because of this book that's coming out and the things. But really, it takes, you know, 40, 50 years. And the unconscious eventually becomes the conscious because you never stop unconsciously and then consciously trying to find that radio frequency and then just as if not more important broadcasting your own radio frequency.

And again, that's why there hasn't been anything outbound in years because it's you don't have to do that. The members themselves have [00:27:00] their own frequencies that are so powerful that it attracts other people with that frequency, they want to come to that reservoir, and then I just, I just do what I'm supposed to do, which is connect visionaries to serve humanity.

And then other visionaries connect me to serve humanity because they want to serve humanity. So, but again, this takes decades. Decades of those four things. Usually all four. Bankruptcy, potential bankruptcy, depression, anxiety, trauma as a child or young adult. And again, most people are, one, not wired to handle that.

Two, they're not going to do it. They're going to use that as an excuse and then they'll stay a small business or stay a consultant or stay an employee, which again, totally fine. Thank God the world's that way. But the true visionary, they'll never stop. Never.

No, they weren't. So here's a question. How does a true visionary live with this commandment that they have this, this, this burden and 

blessing potentially that 

and blessing Yep. 

How do they, how do they Work in their ecosystem in a way that they don't scorch the [00:28:00] whole earth in their family and everything else.

Because it seems to me that unfortunately, a lot of times when we hear the word visionary, we then usually we, we connect the fact that they are now a car accident in every other area of their life, including their kids and their wife and their partner and their whatever. And they totally fuck all that up.

How in the world? Do you make this work? And how are the other visionaries that you interact with? How do they figure this tension out? Because that's the thing that scares the shit out of me

the

most.

of course. Okay, so scared the shit and then so Again, talk is talk is meaningless to me I found that everything that has been said or asked is basically been written in this book I don't know how that happened or why but it's the same radio frequency So one of the chapters in the book is live life Exilified exilified.

Okay, and I know you like words and making creative words. So exilified exilified [00:29:00] Came from my great friend, her name is Melissa Bernstein. Melissa Bernstein is co founder of Melissa Doug Toys. That's one of the top toy companies in the world. Top wooden toy company in the world. Anyone with children or has any type of capital has heard of Melissa Doug Toys.

It's a, it's a very big deal. So anyway, she's one of my best friends now. And then she makes up words. And, and she talks about living each day exilified, which means exhilarated and terrified. Exhilarated and terrified. And, and I'm just gonna re I, I followed my gut and heart completely to do this book, risked everything to do it, like risked everything to do it.

And one of the lines in there is, I am scared shitless right now. I haven't been scared of anything in years, this is much different, and, but I did it anyway. I did it anyway. So I understand everything that you're saying. And for a visionary You just have to do it. You have to do it. And what I will say is whether if you're married to a [00:30:00] stabilizing human, or a high achiever stabilizer, or a kind loving empath, is a visionary cannot change who they are.

They can't. They can't. I mean, they could if they drink it away, or do drugs, or just disappear into society, but they're, they're really not capable of doing that. So it's really up to the others who are the support system to understand that. It's really up to them. It's really up to them because a visionary who's denying their visionariness, they're just dead inside anyway.

They'll be dead inside anyway.

Yeah, they, yeah, they they, they will, they will die a thousand deaths one time. Yes. No, it's you know, and it's interesting because as I, you know, as I started interacting with the ideas that you've been playing with and your book and stuff, I mean, absolutely resonated with me and my own thinking. And I, I'm betwixt in between on this.

I think some, I think that I have this sort of visionary spirit to who I am in some [00:31:00] ways, but I also believe I was coached and conditioned into, A, a, a more parochial way of looking at my life for a long time in the last number of years. And I think for me, it's sort

of this what I'll call the 

second half of 

How old are You 

I'm, I'm gonna turn 59 in a couple of 

There you go. 

so I, I, I look at it I, I read a great book years ago by uh, contemplative monk, Richard Rohr. And it was called falling upwards. And it was about the second half of life.

And I really believe that as I came out of that first half of life and moved into the second half of life for me, I began to untether myself from the things that I allowed to control me over the years that that took that sort of visionary spirit, that avant gardeness, that, that, that throw all the, put all the dice on the table and let's just see where we go.

Mentality. I had put that in a box for so long. I am beginning, I think, to walk into a greater freedom, but it's, it's not easy because when you're coached and [00:32:00] conditioned or allow yourself to be, then, then that becomes a convenient excuse for yourself not to be free.

no. Yeah, so I don't, yeah, there's no but for a visionary. Nope. There's the um, one of our members happy to introduce you to her. If you'd like Kathleen Adams, Kathleen Adams, she's in our group and then she's been a great PR partner. She started her latest company at age 68 and it's about, it's called second 50 it's for those in their second 50 years cause people are living to she's a great visionary, pure, no excuses.

I'm happy to introduce you to her. If 

Awesome. So if people want to, if people, what's the best place for people to get their book,

your book, is it Amazon or 

where, where do

The Epic Life one.

Yeah, that's on, that's on Amazon. 

Epic life, epic

business there as 

well. 

Yeah, it's hilarious because again, success is progressive realization of worthy ideal. And then the word business comes from the Latin word by Zignus, which means anxiety. So my first book is called Epic Anxiety. Oops, but hey, you gotta [00:33:00] learn. That's how you learn, right? But and that really the best site to go to is the epic fit.

com, the epic fit. com that has. That, that's where the, all the information about the 

Okay, so that's the best place to find those

resources. 

Yeah. I'm introducing 

you to Kathleen now.

I appreciate that. I and thank you. I'm going to use. Thank you again. I like. Thank you. is a good word. My mom taught me to use that word. It's a good word to use. 

Yes. 

So let me ask you, do are you still connected with your with your family?

So where, where did you grow up and do you, do you have siblings and are

they all like 

you or 

no, no, no, no. 

you, the freak? Were you the freak of nature in this, in this rodeo?

Yeah. So that's, again, that's, I appreciate you saying that. That's a compliment. Yeah. So I have three siblings, one, my youngest brother, he's unfortunately passed away. Sorry about that. Oh, thank you. Yeah, thank you. But no, I mean, my two living siblings, I'm nothing like them. I will say my father pure hero, no [00:34:00] excuses.

My mom, pure hustler in a good way. Like I've never met anyone with I've maybe met one person with more hustle than my mom. Yeah, I think I, I think I finally met one person with more hustle than my mom. She's like a younger version of my mom, which is kind of creepy. But the um, so I am like my parents in that way in that way, but no, nothing like my siblings at all.

Nothing.

Interesting. So when you when you go into a room and you are engaging with people in that human world that you've described has this unique tension for you as you get into the human world, when you walk into a room and you're going to bring whatever contribution that you know you are the only one who can bring it, what are what are you bringing into that room

that you believe is 

transformational? 

Oh, well, okay. So in human youth baseball world that , that doesn't go well. But in terms of our company and then having conversations like this, [00:35:00] um, and you know, we had one of, we had our latest virtual meeting today. It was amazing. And then I don't really talk.

I didn't actually said nothing in today's meeting, not one thing over two hours verbally, but my gift is like you. I'm a good listener and able to discern and then immediately create introductions with people. So I think during that two hour span, I sent out 20 to 25 intros during the, during the meeting whether it's LinkedIn or, I mean, I've done two on this caller while doing an interview, uh, whether it was text message or LinkedIn or email it was just constant interest.

So there, I, again, this is not ego. This is confidence because I'm useless to society besides this. There are very few people, if anyone who are better at that on the planet than, than I am. They're just, they're just aren't. A

it's interesting because all of these words that are running around in my head right now

have a connection to energy. There's this sense of being a conduit,

a connector.

I'm a manifester. I'm a manifester. Most [00:36:00] people are generators. I'm a manifester.

yeah, So what are you seeing then that no one else is seeing right now, Justin?

Yeah. 

Well,

what, what, are you seeing and going, Oh, I see this. I don't think anybody else sees it yet.

it's a great question. Not, not, I'm not the only one anymore, but in terms of this book, the Epic Journey book, because it's not even out yet, and the people who have won, every woman who has read it has cried, which is really interesting. Only a couple men have. Cause women are more, usually more intuitive and then they see the riddle inside the riddle. But the feedback I've gotten from that so far without it being out, and I don't know when it's coming out. I know that's going to change the world at the highest level. I mean, it just, and for, for generations to come, I just, that, that's what I see. And then in terms of the company, I'm endlessly grateful for the company to have the right team in place and all of our great members.

But I see the book being the, the ultimate key to that and [00:37:00] it will never, it will never stop because it, it came purely from the heart, pure high consciousness, pure love and pure, pure, absolute no excuses, ultimate risk. And it's very, very rare. In fact, I've never seen it in a book for someone to go through that in real time.

I've never seen it. Never. Yeah.

Well, listen, guys, if you're listening in, I always say you're listening in for a reason. And so you, you joined this conversation because there is some kind of predestined understanding of why you're listening in. If not, you would have gotten off this ride a long time 

100%. They would 

So if you're still listening in, you're listening in for a reason.

My challenge to you is what does living an epic life look like for you? How do you find it? Who are you innately? How are you wired? Are you actually tuned into the things you need to be tuned in because your world might be waiting still for [00:38:00] you to manifest the thing that it needs? I mean, it, it, it, it, it doesn't, it doesn't just find itself, it, it needs to find someone to live in.

And I would just challenge you to, to connect with Justin and what he is doing, and check out the website that is that is Epic fit.

TheEpicFit. com.

The, I love it, the, it's got to be the, the, EpicFitFIT. com, check that out, check Justin out, grab those books, and when this book hits the real world, you need to grab it, I know I'm going to grab a copy, I'm going to sign up to read that, Justin, I really appreciate your time, and appreciate the generosity that you've given me, full disclosure, I cancelled on Justin twice I Typically don't but I was ill strangely and suddenly ill twice.

I don't know 

why maybe there was 

Because we were supposed to talk now. 

Yeah, so we were supposed to talk now. And so now we're talking now and I appreciate that Justin. Thanks for your time Thanks for the generous gift again If you listened in for listening for a [00:39:00] reason connect with me on social media DM me send me an email at Tim and on commodified comm check out Justin Tell us how you're uncorking this idea this provocation in your world You Thanks for listening.

Have a great day. Cheers.