Don’t just Outlast. UPLIFT: UNCORKED with SEAN FROST

What if the life you're building isn’t meant to be a straight line, but a score, composed piece by piece, passion by passion, risk by risk? 

In this UNCORKED conversation, Tim Windsor sits down with the unmistakably real and refreshingly honest Sean Frost, a man who refuses to live a single-note existence. Home builder. Real estate broker. Music producer. Talent manager. Community contributor. Husband. Father. Legacy-maker. Sean isn’t chasing the hustle; he’s challenging the entire idea of it, and he’ll provoke you to rethink what you’re chasing, why you’re chasing it, and what it’s costing you along the way.

This episode uncorks a journey that starts with humble beginnings, morphs into unexpected opportunities, and explodes into a multi-hyphen life rooted in passion, purpose, and love. Sean talks openly about anxiety, depression, joy, creative hunger, the grind behind “success,” and the surprising truth that even the most accomplished people walk into rooms feeling uncertain and figuring out where they fit. You’ll hear how music shaped him, how real estate saved him, how family fuels him, and how legacy has become his driving force, not as an abstract idea of tomorrow, but as a lived commitment to uplift others today.

And here's the provocation: where in your life are you talking yourself out of the very thing that could fulfil you? Where are you choosing safety when conviction is calling? Sean challenges all of us, including Tim, to stop romanticizing the hustle and start activating the life we want. 

Listening to this episode won’t just inspire you; it’ll unsettle you in the best possible way. It’ll push you to pick up the pen, the hammer, the instrument, the idea—whatever your “thing” is—and begin composing the song your life was meant to sound like.
 
Tim Windsor
the UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast – Host & Guide
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PRODUCERS: Alyne Gagne & Kris MacQueen 
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The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (00:08.07)

There are people who chase success and then there are those who compose it, note by note, choice by choice, moment by moment. In this encore conversation, we're dropping into the world of a man who doesn't just play one note. He composes and produces a powerful symphony of purpose. From selling and building homes that hold dreams to shaping the soundtracks of rising artists, from ringside at wrestling arenas to sidelines at soccer fields, my guest has made a life, made a living out of turning his passion into propulsion.

His story isn't about singularity, it's about intention and integration. It's about how every pursuit, every project, every passion crescendos into something bigger, something that can reverberate towards legacy. Hey, my friends, welcome back to the Non-Commodified Podcast. I'm Tim Windsor, and today my guest on the show is the, I'm gonna say the, the Sean Frost. Sean, welcome to the show.

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (01:02.808)

Tim, thanks for having me. Thank you for the glowing warm up there. That was awesome, man. I much appreciate it and really, really happy to dive into the chat today.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (01:06.599)

Yeah.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (01:11.943)

That's gonna be great. And you know, I had to get my game on, like when I read your, okay, when I read your bio, Sean, I'm like, holy fuck, how am I supposed to introduce this guy? So I'm like, okay, I've just got, I gotta figure this out. So Sean, was like a daunting task, which by the way, requires a drink. So what are you gonna drink tonight?

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (01:25.259)

All right.

I am going to be having a just a bourbon on the rocks. It's just a Blanton's right here, Tim. And yeah, don't don't let it deceive you here. The ice the ice is melted a little bit. So I didn't pour four fingers.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (01:37.063)

Perfect.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (01:42.215)

I do the two fingers this way, I always get it wrong. So I'm drinking this, I don't know if you've ever seen this, so this is called the Deacon. And I love the bottle and it's a blended Scotch whiskey. the bottle is exquisite, a buddy of mine gave this to me and I love the bottle, it's awesome. So cheers to you, sir.

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (01:45.865)

Hahaha

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (01:50.73)

I have.

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (02:02.894)

Cheers, Tim, much appreciated.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (02:07.521)

I'll have to pause later to have another sip of that. That's awesome. Okay. So, so let me, let me just go to get into this this way. And I just have one other thing to say, and then I got a question. I always love to just to kick things out with a question, but so here's, here's what I'm thinking, Sean, that you and I had a chance to chat very briefly a couple months ago, actually. And, here's sort of what I took from that. So in a world obsessed with hustle, here's what I think. I think that you stand out because your drive.

is rooted in passion, absolutely, but it's also rooted in purpose and it's rooted in love. Love for creativity, love for creation, you love to create things, love for your community, and most powerfully, love for your family, which we're gonna get into talking about. And I see that at the end of the day, that seems to be the heartbeat behind everything that you build and every risk you take. You have this as the backdrop, and that is fascinating to me.

And so I want to start, let's just get right on the nose in this conversation. So here's where I want to start the conversation. We're just going to go right into the deep end. So what does it really mean to you to live a life of just love it or leave it? What does that mean to you? And how do you see that working out in your story as we understand who you are and what your story is?

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (03:25.294)

It's actually funny that you posed that to start, because we haven't discussed this, it's along the similar lines, is one of my, it's a core factor, something that I kind of live by now, because generally I'm a natural people pleaser. So this love it or leave it has actually, in different terms, but.

the same line has been kind of a core fundamental that I've had to adopt and I learned it the hard way and it's basically like, you know, the power of saying no. So love it or leave it, you know, is basically how I make my decisions now because if it's not, and I don't want to necessarily say if it brings me joy, but it's like, if I'm not passionate about it,

if it's gonna be something that I'm gonna resent or if I'm not a thousand percent behind it, then I know right away it's not for me and that's my leave it. So the love it part is yes, I have to be passionate about it because for me it can't feel like, know, and it's so cliche, but like I don't want it to feel like work. It can be work, but I want it to be something that I'm, you know, that I'm fueled by and that I'm excited and engaged to do. Whereas,

now something it doesn't even matter what it you know if it comes across my desk and if it's lucrative you know it doesn't matter like what the the monetary values are or the potential of it could be if i'm not fully passionate and behind it then like why would why would i put that in my path you know i just want to move that out of the way so that i can open myself up for something that i'm actually you know excited about and

that wasn't always the case and I wasn't always allowed to have that decision because I had to get to a certain point to be able to make ends meet to make those decisions. So right now to answer your question is it's huge because I'm not driven by you know kind of traditional factors that want to get me to the next level or you know especially on a monetary side you know obviously that's always a

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (05:22.656)

a big talking point when something comes into your life, especially on the business side. So now that's not a motivation of mine. So it's love it or leave it 100%. I have to want to do it. Otherwise I feel it's almost like not an imposter syndrome, but I'm just not, I don't have that motivation. So I'm not going to be able to give it the care that it truly needs where the next person down the line, that might be a passion of theirs or something that they're really into. So let them have it. I'll be good on the net. I'll let the next opportunity come and I'll jump on that.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (05:50.535)

Yeah, you know what, and I so resonate with that, Sean, because when I started this podcast, I started it with that same idea. When I first started, people would ask me, well, what's your end game and how long are you going to do it? And I've always said, I'll do it till I don't love it. I don't care how successful it is or isn't. I don't care how much money we make or we don't. I don't care how many connections it gives us to other things.

The moment I don't love it anymore, the moment I don't enjoy it, because it's, know, frankly, I put out a lot of these podcasts that by the time your podcast comes out will be just over 200 and something. It's a lot of work, but it's not work because I love it. And that is the difference. But the moment I don't love it anymore, I sort of got this either love it or fuck it attitude. Like I'm not doing it if I don't love it anymore. And yeah, I've gotten to a place in my life maybe where I can afford to do that and everything else. So I don't want to just, you know,

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (06:37.806)

Straight up.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (06:44.955)

be disparaging of people who can't have that attitude. But I think it's important. And I love that part of your story, but let's get into that story. mean, how do you find your way to the complexity of the world that you have today? I mean, you've got so many different things going on. And of course, my listeners don't know who you are more than likely, but you've got so many things. And so where does your journey start? How does it start to morph?

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (07:05.238)

Right. Yeah, for sure.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (07:12.724)

And where are you at right now in that journey towards doing what you love for the positive benefit of yourself and others in your family?

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (07:22.028)

Right, okay, good question Tim. you know, I'm gonna start it off by, you know, kind of setting it up like it looks from the outside looking in, it looks like I'm doing a lot of different things. And I always equate taking the next step or the next venture from a simple philosophy that, you know, my dad is an entrepreneur, he grew up as a hustler, jumping around, you know, starting new businesses, getting new jobs every week faster than I can get, you know, new pairs of socks when I was a kid. So,

He's always had that mentality and that's kind of where I got the entrepreneurial spirit from. Well, that's where I got it from for sure. But my mom always ingrained, she was a nine to five, very well respected at her job. You know, she always instilled, you know, don't leave a space or get a new, you know, don't jump into a new spot or actually, sorry, don't quit what you're doing.

until you have the next thing going. So then I kind of adopted that on the business front of, know, don't branch out into something new until I've got something that I'm currently doing on lock. I either decide that I don't want to do that anymore and move on.

and still let the two bleed into each other. So I would start the new endeavor while still keeping what I currently had even if I wasn't 100 % into it just so that I didn't leave myself kind of high and dry and left that stability because I never want to take a new opportunity and have to rely on it right away especially on a monetary sense to like pay the bills. Like because I feel if I'm doing something just driven by the money or I'm relying on the money for it

It's not that I'm not doing it for the right reasons, it's just I'm focusing on the wrong parts of it. So, you know, I've always learned, or I've always just had that in me, that innate ability to kind of like...

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (09:02.944)

not perfect, but try to get something as stable as possible and make it, you know, like a well-oiled machine. And then once that's kind of ticking on its own, then it's time for me, okay, what else am I passionate about? Now let me diversify. Now let me go down a different branch and then really just rinse and recycle the business model of like, you know, what worked from the previous endeavor? What are the similarities? So what can I adopt in the new path and what didn't work on that one? Okay, well that those are my lessons learned.

don't do that on the next one. And then I keep trying to refine the process and then, you know, kind of get that pillar stabilized. And once that's moving all right, what else am I passionate about? Move on to the next. It was never like, you know, here's a vision board and I want to go, I have a nucleus here of me and then I want to branch out into music, wrestling, real estate. It was never like that. It was like, okay, let's get good at one thing. And then, and then if something, I'm passionate about this, okay, let's move on as well.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (09:58.651)

Yeah, so I'm interested to know sort of where maybe the connective tissue is here. So you, you know, you, if I understand your journey, you built homes, you sort of go from there and then you get into that real estate aspect, which is where you also live today. And for those listening in, just to give you some context, Sean's in the Ottawa area of Canada, so the capital area of Canada, if you're sort of putting them on a map.

So you're building homes, you get into real estate and that's part of what you do today. And then somewhere along the lines or maybe out at the same time, you've got this music thing that's going on and you're helping artists and you're doing some things. But then you also, you you're sort of morphing and you've got, you know, then you've got this sort of talent management thing with, I don't know, with a wrestler. mean, that's all sort of, that's got that thing. And of course you've got your community aspect.

and your connection in your community and what you do there, what ties all this together at the end of the day? Because it seems disconnected, but I'm sure it's not.

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (11:07.948)

Yeah, it is pretty connected to me. So I started out, you know, I came from humble beginnings. So my parents separated when I was really young. I lived with my mom and my grandparents. I started kind of in Fort Lauderdale in Florida, came back up to Ottawa where my extended family lived. My dad soon followed and we didn't have a ton of money on either side.

I was really fortunate that instead of toys and stuff growing up, I was surrounded by music. One of my dad's best friends was a touring sound man, so I was kind of immersed in the music world.

at a very, very young age. again, rather than getting toys per se, you know, I would get experiences. So I was able to jump on tour buses. I was able to kind of connect, you know, a few cities close by. I was able to go to all the festivals. I was able to have backstage and you know, I was a cute little kid. So I was also very privileged in terms of the experiences that I had with bands and artists because they would kind of just take me under their wing and like.

bring me around, feed me dinner, like this, that, and the other. So I fell in love with music at a very, very young age. I used to walk around with a, I'm dating myself, but with a briefcase full of cassettes, you know, from, daycare. So from like seven years old till 10 years old, that was my playground. So I started my first company when I was in high school as a music producer. So I was making music, composing music. I had representation. I was selling it.

And it was from there that I was actually working with some artists out in Kansas City while I was going to university here in Ottawa. you know, things kind of went belly up out there. So I figured, okay, it's time to get a quote unquote real job and grow up. And that's when the real estate came in because I started a general contracting company with a buddy of mine. And I absolutely despised it. I hated it. I dreaded waking up every morning. I was anxious going to bed every night.

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (13:05.456)

I still have that I can feel that feeling over and over. It's definitely a why of mine. I hated it. And then I also my partner was a Vietnamese guy, a brother of mine that English has a second language so I felt a duty like I owed it to him to keep this going because it was his bread and butter. So then I had that guilt. I worked at the hospital at the same time. And yeah, that was kind of the I hit rock bottom mentally.

was obviously I was battling a big bout of depression without knowing it. Just my mental state was terrible and I stumbled into the real estate because by chance one of my best friends said, listen, I think, you know, pulled me aside and said, I think you need to, you know, face the facts that, you know, you don't want to be doing what you're doing. And I think you're made for real estate as a broker, as an agent.

So I've always had that backing of myself and the self belief and also a firm believer in continued education no matter what it is, whether it's through an institution, online learning, whatever it is, if we could pick up a piece of information that's gonna benefit us down the road, it's an investment worth making. So I jumped into the schooling and absolutely never looked back from being a broker.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (14:21.905)

Wow, awesome. So you started that business, you have an agency now. It focuses, it's in the Ottawa area, does it go beyond that?

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (14:31.436)

No, so it's Ottawa and the greater Ottawa area, so the valley. Yeah, I cover a lot of ground because I I prefer being in the outskirts. I like being out in the country with the fresh air. But yeah, of course I'm getting it in in the city as well. So yeah, I cover a ton of ground and I absolutely, I was made for it and it's just, I feel like it was made for me as well. I absolutely...

I couldn't imagine not doing it. being a broker and then oddly enough the job that I, the company that I hated being a general, running a general contracting company, when I finally mustered the courage to tell my partner, listen, I'm not happy. You know, again, I mentioned he's my brother. He was like, well bro, like what the fuck are we doing? Like close the doors.

get out, get, you know, and so we did. But funny enough, the continued education, I went back and got my tarry on and became, you know, got my license. And years after we had closed down the general contractor company, we actually opened our first custom home building company. And we're like, why deal with clients when we can just build our own houses? And then I think we have somebody that can sell them, AKA me. So,

We started a, we started a general, well, not, sorry, not a general contracting company. We started a custom home building company and we've been building ever since.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (15:52.785)

Wow, so you do custom homes, you got real estate, and then music comes back into the scene here, because it's part of your DNA, but then it comes back into your journey along the way too. So where does music sit now in the midst of all things Sean Frost?

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (16:11.276)

Yeah, so that was the real estate. I actually teamed up with eight guys that I'm friends with since elementary school. So then we started a property investment company as well. So we've got all those investments and then the music started coming in because one, I was feeling a little bit empty. I felt there was a void.

from the business side it was great but just personally and like in my soul I knew that you know I was there was just something missing and I didn't actually know that it was music it wasn't intentional. Again another really good friend of mine discovered this artist and brought it to my attention and thankfully because of all the real estate I was in a different situation mainly financially and headspace that I was really able to open and keep myself open for an opportunity and as soon as I learned

I heard this artist, know, simple questions were, how old is he? Does he have a criminal record? And what's his character like? And that was really it because the talent was right off the page. As soon as I heard him, I was like, oh, we've got it. So once those three questions checked out, because again, criminal record, if you can't go stateside.

you know, good to me in a sense on the business side, because like what can we do? We can't build the business that we want to build if we're missing the biggest country in the entire world to do it in. And all of those checked out and then I started working with this artist, worked with him for five years.

You know, it helped facilitate him getting signed. Of course, talent was a major, major push for that. But there's a lot that goes behind the scenes as well. So got him signed to a deal with Columbia. Last fall, we went on a North American tour with Polo G, who's a massive rapper out of Chicago that we partnered with along with Columbia. yeah, basically just had a lifetime, an experience of a lifetime and...

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (18:07.414)

just such a ride and now he's off doing his own thing and I'm back, you know, now focusing on the next talent too that I want to, that I want to build up and take to the next level.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (18:18.119)

I love it. mean, again, you do so many different things and it's a really cool story. And when we first chatted, I was just mesmerized by how much stuff this guy does and gets done. And obviously you've had lots of success at this. But then there's a big driving force behind this. you are now, you're coming into your journey and now you've got a family.

And now you've got a different purpose that's driving a big piece of your life. And so how does that fit into everything you're doing? And what changed for you when you got to this part of your life? Did anything change or was there a significant change?

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (19:04.12)

For sure, so I have an eight year old. My wife and I are together, we're happily married. And that was great. She's a massive, massive support for me. I'm a lot. I do a lot. I am also fully aware that I am a lot. she, I call her the little general, like she knows how to.

She knows how to rein me in when she needs to, but she also gives me the space when I need it as well. So very, very fortunate to have her. Obviously that she's the biggest, you know, the biggest push for me to get started on this journey of being an entrepreneur and reaching early successes and getting some steam and some momentum behind me. But it really was as soon as my son, Carter was born, you know, just becoming a parent, it,

I'm not speaking for everybody, but it definitely changed the reason why I'm doing all of this. It goes, I don't want to say from an ego standpoint, but of course I'm doing a lot of this beforehand for me. I want to achieve this, I want to do this, and that's fine, but the reason of it was just like, yeah.

I want to live easier. I want to do this. I want to do this. I want to do this and I need this. But then as soon as he was born, it's like, okay, I want to do this for, I want to do this because there was actually like a backstory to it, right? And that's when things really started to change because then the drive was augmented. It was amplified. And I really started seeing things like, you know, I was able to kind of take a step back and look in and being like, my gosh, like,

I felt like I was doing really well before. Now I just have this, I feel like I have this aura, this presence, this power that I'm able to just kind of conquer everything. Like I already had the self belief. I've always been blessed with that, luckily. But now with Carter in play, it's like, okay, I gotta go get this, not just for our future, but I need to show him what I can do.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (21:06.097)

You know what, Shana, I mean, love the journey you're on and it's complex. It's fascinating. You obviously put your hand to a lot of different things and you're highly successful in all these areas. You're now also doing this for another reason. And that maybe tips into another part of the conversation for me about legacy. Legacy is a big idea for me.

I've actually been working on the bones of a book about that that's probably multiple years away from releasing. My wife actually has this idea that she doesn't really want me to release the book because she thinks that when I release it, I may die. So I'm leaving that for the future. So we're not going to get into that. But legacy is really interesting to me because that's what we leave behind. It's the wake we leave. If I think about a boat.

It's the wake we leave in the water. When we cut through that water, we leave awake and it has a rippling effect on others around us. So when you think about legacy, you think about leaving a lasting impression in the hearts and minds of the people that you encounter and all the worlds that you work in. Where does legacy fit into this and how does it inform or inflame, energize what you're about?

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (22:26.316)

Yeah, great, great point. Tim, it's massive to me right now. That's kind of where I feel like I'm at in my journey is, you know, I've been able to accomplish a lot of things, things that I never would have dreamed possible, living a life that I never imagined. You know, I think it's an amazing thing to be able to, I think for me, that's one of like, you know, when people say what success to you, think in my heart of hearts, that's one of the biggest things for...

you know, feeling successful is the fact that I'm able to now help and propel and you know, it's like being able to

climb the fence, turn around, reach back and pull somebody up. And of course you can't do that unless you're up on the fence first. It's the same thing in an airplane, you know, oxygen masks come down. You have to put the oxygen mask on first to make sure that you're good before you can help somebody else. Otherwise you're no good to anybody. And now that I'm in the legacy, in the legacy mode, in legacy stage of my life, you know, and that's coming with age, of course. So like this, the age that I'm at, I'm now recognizing that

and understanding that. I want to do something that's bigger than me and I'm sure part of that is driven by ego. That's not lost on me but if I'm using it for the right reasons or being fueled for the right reasons then I'm okay with that as well. But the real estate is a very cool...

Avenue for that because it's tangible. I'm able to build these houses And I'm able to kind of you know all throughout the city So when I'm driving by it's pretty cool to look over and be like yeah that that wasn't there before I got here

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (24:01.87)

So that's a tangible thing for legacy that I'm really excited about. And then in terms of the spiritual side, you know, my background, I went to school, my whole purpose was to be, you know, kind of a teacher. was supposed to, I wanted to help developmental delayed youth. And so now working with Atletico Ottawa, partnering with them, which I was so fortunate that they approached me to team up with them. Now I have a very strong partnership with CHEO, the Children's Hospital of Eastern Ontario. Of course, being a dad that's near and

to my heart as well as well as being a patient when I was a kid. But yeah that's part of the legacy mode now is that you know I want to leave an impact in terms of the community people that are struggling if I can help them out at a match day if I can make a donation or put on the opening day opening match for Atletico and and we're providing you know a lot of funds to Chio or to Canadian Blood Services it's all those things that not only am I trying to do my part and leave an impact and and kind of

those you know you know just kind of let my son know what I'm working on and still those values are with him but yeah I'm just I'm being fueled this it's selfish as well because I'm being fueled by that it's making me feel good it's not selfless so it's like okay I'm doing well but I'm also kind of putting my back to the corner a little bit too if I'm

I'm making it a little bit less comfortable for myself if I'm trying to do more for others. And that's actually giving me that motivation and that drive to fight my way out of where I'm at. there's a big psychological component. It's not just being selfless. There's a lot to it that I'm fully aware of and fully comfortable with. But yeah, I'm trying to leave an impact and do something bigger than myself, ultimately.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (25:50.385)

Yeah, again, I, well, I love what I love about you, John. I mean, I love you. You're just super honest. You're real, but you're just super cathartically honest about who you are. You know, and to even say, I mean, again, the right thing to say or the right thing we think we should say is, well, you know, I don't have any ego and I'm doing this because I'm selfless. But you're actually saying, well, actually there's a selfish part of this and it is about me and there's some, and by the way, I think that's just true for everybody.

And I think some of us just aren't able to be honest about that. It doesn't mean that we can't do great things. It doesn't mean that we can't leave legacy. It doesn't mean that we can't have positive impact. But also being honest about who we are at the end of the day. I think that makes us richer, not necessarily financially, but it makes us morally richer. It makes us more authentic, which is a superpower.

Like you have a superpower of just being your authentic self, which I really love. And again, if you're listening in listeners, I always say you're listening in for a reason. And so again, I want you to ask yourself, so what's the challenge in this conversation for you? What does this conversation mean for you? You don't have the same journey as Sean does, you don't have the same journey that I do, but you have your journey. And what does leaving legacy look like? What does impact look like? What does creating a sense of this sort of orchestrated symphony

of the song that we want our lives, of our businesses, of our community impact to sort of leave behind. That's really an awesome thing. But I just love the fact that you're just so super genuine. And you're not fully yourself, but at the same time, you understand who you are. You're coming into that. You're getting sort of comfortable in your own skin, which a lot of people never...

frankly, shouldn't get comfortable in their own skin, they die an uncomfortable creature because they've never figured out how live well within themselves. And so there's so many great things about your journey that I love. it's part of, know, when we connected, it was part of what attracted me to this conversation. You know, you and I are very different ages, my friend, okay? So I just turned 60. So I think I'm not quite your age, How old are you, by the way?

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (28:00.332)

You so? Okay, well yeah, yes, slightly.

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (28:08.097)

I'm 41.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (28:08.967)

Okay, so you're 41, I'm 60, okay? So I have a 36-year-old daughter. you know, if I got started a few more years, could, you know, I could, who knows, I could be your dad. Yeah, well, you know what? Hey, you gotta work hard, a lot of makeup and some good, camera work. But the reality is, is that I was 20 yesterday, I was 40 yesterday, but I'm not, I was 20 years ago. I was 40 years ago. And life goes back quick. And so,

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (28:18.776)

I don't know, you look good, dude.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (28:38.535)

So many people wait to arrive at something before they can do something. And I think that's a dangerous game because you never know. And the reality is, is I have left, have statistically way less years ahead of me than I have behind me. You maybe not so much, but I'm definitely not middle-aged and unless I'm going to live to 120, I don't think that's going to happen. And so life goes fast and the impression we leave and the impact we make on others and all the things you're doing, frankly,

you know, as much as the money you all make along the way, it's the imprint that you're going to leave on others that ultimately is how you will be remembered in your family by your son, by your partner, by people that love you, by people that encounter you in the community. And that's what I really love most about this story.

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (29:31.64)

Yeah, I appreciate that Tim and I think that to take that one step further, if a listener or somebody is just wondering like, well I'm not running my own businesses and I don't have...

money to donate or this and that. You set a line at the very start of the show that caught me and you said that we're in love with the hustle, right? And I think that's an important thing because, respectfully, I disagree, I think we're in love with the idea of the hustle. And I think with that, that's...

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (30:05.296)

interesting.

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (30:07.968)

It's so easy to talk, right? It's so easy to dream and which you need to dream. Like that's a big component of life and I'm a firm believer in being a dreamer. But there needs to be action and the action can't be through discussion and just talk. It needs to be through literal action.

You know, we're all we're all dedicated the same amount of time in a day, right? So it's I think that's where this legacy and the fulfillment and you know potentially being happy There's avenues there for each individual depending on whatever you what's whatever your flavor is is You know, there are options, you know, not everything needs to be a monetary thing. It doesn't need to be a business It doesn't need to be a new some sort of venture that way. It's whatever you're passionate about

you know find those things and just and try to

piece things together in your life that only that make you happy and try to eliminate things that don't and if you are so inclined to give back or do something else there are so many places you can volunteer and dedicate this is a hundred this is from somebody that dedicates time and from somebody that dedicates money to certain things there is nothing greater than dedicating time to something it is all of our most valuable resource you just touched on it on on the age and that's we get so lost

today is people are like well I don't have the money to do that and it's like yeah but you have the Saturday to go put four hours in to do this that is gonna be so much more rewarding than donating $200 or even if it's more than that to actually be there and do something watch watch the momentum that that fuels right and

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (31:53.142)

I just think it's, you know, and that's where the talk comes in. Cause then it's so easy to talk yourself out of something like, I can't afford to do that. So that's great that they're doing that, but like, I can't do that. And it's like, okay, well sit down, jot things down and figure out, be creative. How can you make an impact if you want to make an impact? If you're not feeling fulfilled, how can you get fulfilled? You can do that without spending a dollar.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (32:11.303)

Alright.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (32:15.771)

Yeah, you know what, really wise, wisely said, my friend, here, I'm gonna drink to that. How about you drink to that? I'm gonna drink, I'm gonna cheers to that. I'm gonna cheers to moving from articulation, talking about it, to activation, getting shit done. That is really powerful. what you just said is interesting. Sometimes we talk ourselves out of it, which is.

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (32:22.04)

Cheers.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (32:42.567)

Just so true, right? Like we get so in our head about something that we, and we think that we can't do it or we shouldn't, or we don't have enough or whatever. And we talk ourselves right out of the good intention that we have in our mind and our heart and our soul. And that's a shame. And again, if you're listening in, I'm going to challenge you. Where are you talking yourself out? Where are you letting yourself off the hook? Where are you talking yourself out of something good that you can contribute to the community that you live in?

and what you do. So, Sean, let's bring this in for landing for a second. So I'm interested to sort of get a sense of this from you. And before I do that, though, so let's say people want to hunt you down. Maybe they want to get you connected in Ottawa. Maybe they want you to sell some real estate. Maybe they want you a home. Maybe they want, I don't know, maybe they're a budding artist and they need some help. How do they find you?

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (33:37.07)

So Instagram is definitely the easiest spot. So Sean, so I'm basically at I am Sean Frost. That's my Instagram handle. That's the platform that I'm most engaged in. Truth be told, every other platform I have, have my team handles for me. Instagram, I'm on like that's the one platform that I enjoy. So, so I'm, that's me. So on Instagram, you're getting me everywhere else. You're getting my team and then it's

Hopefully coming to me, but that's full transparency. But yeah, so Instagram is me. Of course, you can always email me at Sean at SeanFrost.com or Sean at IamSeanFrost.com depending what you're looking for. But yeah, for sure, I do make a huge emphasis to try to help wherever I can as long as the efforts are being reciprocated. don't have time, you know how it is. I don't have time.

For Just Talk, if your heart's in the right place but you're willing to back it up with effort and action, then I got all the time in the world for you.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (34:41.063)

Yeah, that's fair. And by the way, that is S-E-A-N. That is S-E-A-N, Sean, not S-H-A-W-N. None of those Sean's, none of those ones. This is the S-E-A-N, Sean. I am Sean Frost. That is a brilliant handle, by the way. I love it. So my world is all this idea of uncommodified. You're obviously, you are a very uncommodified kind of guy, which I love. So Sean's walked...

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (35:01.624)

Thank you.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (35:10.479)

walks into a room. Okay, we'll talk about Sean like it's the third person. I like to talk about people in the third person. Let's talk about this Sean guy. So Sean Rock walks into a room. This isn't the start of a joke, by the way, but Sean walks into a room and Sean is bringing what only Sean can bring into that room. Sean's bringing his most uncommodified self into that room. What Sean doing that Sean knows is going to have an impact.

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (35:40.206)

Okay, run that by me again, Tim.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (35:42.193)

Okay, so Sean, this Sean guy walks into a room, room full of people somewhere in Ottawa, and Sean's gonna bring the most uncommodified, his special magic in that room, because he knows that special magic can do stuff for people. What's the special magic that the Sean is bringing when he walks in that room?

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (35:45.314)

Yeah.

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (36:04.134)

It's not going to be exciting. It's yeah, so I'm going to be if I'm walking into a room full of people, I'm going to be intimidated right away. I'm going to be on the quieter side a thousand percent. I'm going to be listening. I'm going to be trying to pick up, you know, what other people are putting down and figure out where what my space is in this room. And then no matter where that direction takes me,

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (36:05.935)

I don't care, I wanna know.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (36:14.385)

Yeah?

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (36:31.406)

You mentioned it earlier and you hit it on the head and I you know, obviously don't want to toot my own horn But no matter which room I walk in This is the superpower that I have whatever room I walk in It's the same version of me in that room So I never ever ever ever ever have to worry about how I acted in a certain way like in a certain room or with a certain company Because it's always the same. It doesn't matter whether it's Ryan Sirhant's office at Sirhant in New York. It doesn't matter if

it's at the studio with Polo G, it doesn't matter if it's in my office here, it doesn't matter if I'm sitting with my family, it's always going to be the exact same. So I never have to worry about anything like that. there's no cross-checking, there's no nothing. You're always getting the same version of me. People say, you wear a lot of different hats. I'm like, no, I'm pretty sure it might have been a different color, but it still had my logo on the front.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (37:24.327)

Very good. So Sean, I love that first of all, because what I love about what you just said is, first of all, you started again in that very honest moment, which I love. I come in, I'm going to be nervous. I'm not going to know my place. Again, what I love about that is, you know, most people would look at a guy like you and say, what do you mean nervous and not knowing your place? But your honesty, that your humility, your vulnerability and your superpower partly

is also to be authentically you and be honest about how it feels. And again, we can wear this facade. People look at somebody like yourself who is relatively young and has enjoyed tremendous success in lots of places. And we can get a persona about what we think living your life feels like. We know what it might look like, but we think we know what it feels like.

But your honesty about how you walk into that room and you're not really sure and you're listening and you're trying to find your space and you're trying to contribute. But then you're also going to be able to come to a moment where you're going to be able to find that voice. But that, that articulation is so powerful because so many people want to, you know, put on that facade of what success is supposed to feel like.

And I would suggest that most people when they walk in a room actually probably feel more like you described than they feel like they own it when they walk in. And so because they don't own it when they walk in, they feel like they're not there, that they haven't arrived. Again, just what a wonderful, powerfully human expression of what that means. And then you can bring that consistency, which is your, that's that superpower. You are who you are. I am Sean Frost.

What I like about that is I am Sean Frost wherever I go. Yeah, it's intentional and that is so, so powerful. And again, if you're listening in, you're listening for a reason. Yes, you might feel when you walk into a room that you don't belong and you might feel scared and you might actually be shaking in your boots. Guess what? 99 % of the people feel that way. You're not actually the person who's the odd man out here or the odd woman out. People feel that way.

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (39:16.739)

It's intentional.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (39:42.779)

Let's find our place. Let's contribute in the way that we can. And let's be consistently who we are at every moment. That's a great provocation. Sean and I really appreciate it. So let me wrap this conversation up this way. This has been brilliant. It's inspiring. It's powerful. It's human. All the things that I love in conversation. So let me sort of wrap it this way. my thinking as we finish is this. You know, to bring passion

Sean McRae Aka Sean Frost (40:01.635)

Thanks, sir.

The UNCOMMODiFiED Podcast (40:12.465)

to the front lines of our life and our businesses and our community involvement, whatever. That's so powerful, but it comes when we act with conviction. We act with a sense of conviction and we build a legacy that doesn't just outlast us, but actually uplifts others along the way. See, we think of legacy specifically about maybe when we're not here, but legacy isn't just about when we're not here.

what outlasts us, it's actually the legacy that we live that lifts others up along the way. That's legacy. And that's pretty clear, Sean, that that's something that you're doing. I'd strongly encourage you to keep down that path. I love that journey. And again, if you're listening in, you're listening in for a reason. So do me a favor. DM me, send me an email at tim at uncommodified.com and let Sean and I know how you're uncorking this conversation in your life. How are you using it to provoke yourself?

and drive yourself towards writing your own song, doing your thing, and being the best I am version of yourself for the positive benefit of others. Thanks for your time, everybody. Thanks for listening in. Cheers.