Migraine Magic

Interview with Migralens - Ian Pyzer

October 05, 2020 MigraineXalone - Fiona (Migraine Awareness) Season 1 Episode 30
Migraine Magic
Interview with Migralens - Ian Pyzer
Show Notes Transcript

Have you heard of Migralens glasses? They work to prevent migraine attacks and ease light sensitivity. How? By blocking blue and red light, and filtering green light to a specific wavelength.

Join us as we talk with optician and Migralens founder Ian Pyzer about how Migralens glasses work and the research behind them. Ian also explains how Migralens differ to traditional blue-light blockers and FL-41 glasses, and he talks us through some of the Migralens styles. Be sure to listen to the end for your special discount code for 15% off all Migralens glasses!

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Music by Lyndon Wesley

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Fiona: [00:00:28] Welcome to the Migraine Magic podcast. Today we welcome to the show. Ian Pyzer of Migralens. Migralens are unique migraine glasses designed to help prevent migraine attacks. Ian, welcome to the show!

Ian: [00:00:44] Thank you, Fiona. It's great to join you. My name is Ian Pyzer. I am a registered UK optician and yes, I'm the Director of Migralens.

Fiona: [00:00:52] Cool. Tell us a bit about yourself and your background for the listeners.

Ian: [00:00:56] Yeah, sure. Well we began 22 years ago now. I actually had a four year old patient who sadly had a degenerative genetic condition and became really sensitive to light while losing his sight, which is terribly sad, as a result of his eye condition. And there was nothing available to help so I experimented with tints to try and filter out the blue light, and found that this really helped him a lot. And with that experience I went on to create a range of filters for a variety of eye conditions and became ultimately the sole supplier of eye shields to the Royal National Institute for the Blind People. The RNIB here in the UK.

And it was some years later that we decided to look for a solution for migraine sufferers, because 40% of those actually associate light sensitivity as being either a trigger for, or a symptom of their migraine. So the need for a filter that addressed this issue was really obvious, and the result of that was the development of our green filter called Migralens.

Fiona: [00:01:59] So you started off as an optician and then Migralens the company grew out of that?

Ian: [00:02:04] That's right. Yes, it did.

Fiona: [00:02:06] Explain the technology behind the Migralens glasses. We have had Dr. Rami Burstein on the show, and he's explained previously about green light and the specific band of green light that's required to benefit migraine patients and to alleviate that head pain and to alleviate that light sensitivity.

Tell us a bit more about the research and technology behind Migralens.

Ian: [00:02:33] Yeah, I'd love to. First, you know, we were looking to try and bring a solution. We first reviewed the established research that had already been carried out into the link between light and migraine. And there are two key pieces of research. One by the doctor and former Director of Migraine Research at King's College Hospital in London, who along with a research scientist in the European Institute of Health and Medical Sciences, had actually identified that the wavelengths associated with blue and red lights are the ones that cause the greatest sensitivity.

And the other research paper, actually you've just mentioned the name of the researcher concerned at Harvard University, Dr. Rami Burstein. And he showed that for those with migraine, green is the most soothing color and the one that actually causes the least amounts of sensitivity. So with that information, we set about optimizing the pigments to create a green filter that also effectively removes blue and red light.

Fiona: [00:03:30] Okay. And does it filter the light to those specific wavelengths that Dr. Burstein talked about in his research?

Ian: [00:03:38] Yes. So we took a careful look to make sure that what we were doing was really going to be as effective as it possibly could be. So yes, Migralens is optimized to address the specific wavelengths that actually have been identified by both those research papers to be causative to migraine sufferers with light sensitivity.

Fiona: [00:03:57] How do Migralens glasses differ from traditional blue light blocking glasses?

Ian: [00:04:02] So the clue I guess is in the question, and there are lots of blue light blocking filters on the market Fiona, but they do just that - they only block the blue light. They don't block any red light, and they're typically a browny orangey sort of color as you probably know, not the green, which as Rami Burstein's research pointed out actually is desirable, And therefore it really makes blue light blocking glasses -- that browny orangey sort of colored lens that you sort of typically associate with blue light blockers -- to be less suitable to migraine according to the research findings.

Fiona: [00:04:36] And how about the FL- 41 glasses? What exactly does an FL-41 pair of glasses block? And how is that different to Migralens?

Ian: [00:04:46] Well the FL-41 filters, now there is research that's been done with FL-41. It was on children with migraine. But there isn't really any in-depth research beyond that associating FL-41 and the benefits to migraine itself, and certainly not in adults that I'm aware of. But actually FL-41, basically when you look at the absorption characteristics, they are blue light blocking. But actually they also block green light, or some green light, and we know green light actually suits migraine. So by blocking the green light, it actually makes them probably somewhat less suitable according to the latest research when it comes to migraine.

So with Migralens, just to maybe tell you a bit about the results that we got with that product. We tested it and the results were published in a peer review journal. And the study actually utilized for the trial is a headache impact test, which I know you'll be very familiar with. And the results from the trial actually were very, very positive. And they certainly concluded that the product was effective, with respect to the frequency and the severity of attacks. And in fact, 90% of people experienced a reduction in headache intensity, and 60% a reduction in the frequency and the duration of headache.

And apart from the fact nine out of ten preferred them to their existing sunglasses, we knew that from those results which were very strong, we were really onto the right sort of formula, I think, for this particular problem.

Fiona: [00:06:06] Yeah, I've read some of the comments on your website too and there are people who've had reduction in their migraine attacks from several attacks a week down to one a month or even less, which is quite remarkable really.

Ian: [00:06:20] And I think it's fair to say, there are migraine sufferers who will be highly light sensitive and it causes their attacks. There'll be those whose attacks are caused by other triggers, and yet they suffer from light sensitivity as a symptom of migraine. And I think whether it's a trigger, whether light's a trigger or whether it's a symptom, I think Migralens is certainly a product that can help. And it may depend very much on how associated light is to your trigger as to actually how much it impacts on your frequency and duration, as opposed to maybe just helping you through the symptoms and enabling you to get back to normality more quickly.

Fiona: [00:06:58] Yeah. Now you were kind enough to send me some Migralens glasses to try. And, just so that everyone knows, we are not keeping the glasses, we're passing them on to a specialist clinic here in Canberra so that they can use them for other people to try. And I don't have any affiliation with Migralens and we won't be receiving any portion of sales from Migralens or anything like that. But you did send me some to try.

I did try them and one of the questions that I had was, can you use them indoors? For example, I have a lot of trouble using screens - are they glasses that you can use indoors as well?

Ian: [00:07:38] Yeah, they absolutely can, and during the trials they were used extensively for that sort of use, because typically of course screens are a source of problem for migraine sufferers, for sure. So yes, they can be and they're used by people in all sorts of places and incidences: typically in shops with lots of fluorescent lights or LED lights, places where you'd expect flicker to cause you a problem, and of course, being invaluable really for outdoors on sunny days, which I know you get plenty of in Australia.

Fiona: [00:08:08] Yes. One thing I did find was sometimes they were a little too dark for indoors, or they felt a little too dark for indoors. Do you have different indoor and outdoor tints?

Ian: [00:08:20] So, what we know is that actually, and we've played around with this quite extensively Fiona, if we lighten Migralens it becomes much less effective at the blue and the red end of the spectrum. So actually its absorption characteristics are really best optimized at this density, this level that we have Migralens at, and therefore we don't create a lighter version of it because it is less effective.

And I suppose, you know, there will be some people who, in their currently dimly lit office (maybe because of migraine), they find that Migralens is too dark. And actually, because it's absorbing those wavelengths that you need to absorb to protect you, you can afford to up the lighting a bit in the office or in your room that you're working in and still manage. And in fact then the filter probably won't be too dark for you. We've played around with this quite a lot and it is a balance between being light enough to be able to use indoors and dark enough to be effective in the sunlight.

Fiona: [00:09:14] Yeah. So I guess working around that and finding out what works for you, and maybe you can even take the blue light filter off the screen on your computer and things like that then, yeah?

Ian: [00:09:25] You can. Yeah, absolutely. So that will lift the illuminance, and enable you to probably use Migralens quite effectively.

Fiona: [00:09:32] Now Migralens glasses, do they come with UV protection as well for out in the sunlight?

Ian: [00:09:38] Yes, they do. They are a hundred percent UVA and UVB absorbing.

Fiona: [00:09:41] So full protection for your eyes. Now I know you've talked a little bit about this, Migralens glasses, and for people who might be listening and haven't seen them before, they have a very distinctive green lens. Why is that?

Ian: [00:09:55] Yeah. So that's a design feature resulting from the fact they absorb blue and red light and are also designed obviously to bring about that soothing effect that the Harvard team found, that Rami Burstein's team found, that happened when people with migraine were exposed to green light. So we wanted to create a lens that absorbs the red and the blue, which we know is an issue, and gives that green hue, which we know is very soothing.

Fiona: [00:10:21] Ian I know you've got some of the glasses there, and we will put some of the video up on our YouTube channel for people to see. I was hoping that you could describe some of the styles and talk about maybe what face types they might work with, what works best for people with, you know, a thin nose bridge, different things like that.

Ian: [00:10:42] Of course. Yeah, absolutely. So maybe the easiest thing is to sort of just bring them up and sort of show them. Of course, one of the key things that really helps with migraine is to have a side that's reasonably wide and coverage that enables you to protect from the light coming down at the top as well.

So all of the sort of wraparound styles that we have are with that in mind, This is called "EyeC" And it's got these really great flexible sides, and also adjustable at the end so you can fit them around your ears just to make them fit the ears as snug as possible.

Fiona: [00:11:16] Is that a soft material around the ears there?

Ian: [00:11:19] Yes, it is. It's a rubberised, soft material.

Fiona: [00:11:22] I like the way they flex so that if you sit on them, I presume you're not gonna bust your sunglasses.

Ian: [00:11:28] So yeah, I mean, these are a great style and very, very popular indeed. So EyeC is one to look out for.

And then the other three styles that wrap around, one being "Horizon" and again with the wide sides, very light-weight polyamide material. So a light frame.

Fiona: [00:11:46] And that looks like your traditional wrap sunglasses. Doesn't it?
Ian: [00:11:49] Very much so. This is XWrap. Now this is for a slightly narrower head. It's a narrower fit. It's got this really nice rubberized inner bridge here, so it's nicely constructed. It's got really sturdy sides, with a really solid hinge, built to really last. It's great for sports people. Again, more for a narrow sort of, a narrower fit.

Fiona: [00:12:12] When you say really sturdy sides, for someone with perhaps allodynia or a sensitive skull, is that something that they might find a little problematic?

Ian: [00:12:23] To be honest, I think it's important to get a comfortable fit whatever, and that's why I stress the fact that's a narrow fit. I think the sturdy hinges is not an issue, although they're not flexible, so they don't have any Springs in them, I think that with any style as long as it's the right width and it's the right fit it'll be comfy, but just be aware that XWrap is somewhat narrower.

Fiona: [00:12:44] Okay. OK.

Ian: [00:12:45] And we have a specific style for ladies, whereas the others are really unisex - the PurFect style, which is this really nice tortoise shell color. Probably I'm not the best person to try this on and demonstrate it.

Fiona: [00:12:55] I can actually tell you a little bit about that one, because that is my favorite out of all the styles that you sent me. The PurFect is my favorite. Partly because of the tortoise shell type look to it, but mainly because of the big lenses. So I feel like no light at all comes in underneath and no light was coming in from the sides, so that fit me really well. And I liked that aspect of it.

Ian: [00:13:21] And it is a really popular style for ladies, whereas the others are unisex. And they do look good on, whether you're male or female. And these are the OverViews. They've got these really thin, full sides, so although they grip around the back of the head, they are actually quite flexible and quite strong, remarkably. But they do have these great polarized windows here to help with filtering lights at the side, they have these deep brow bars here which help to block light at the top. People use them to put over their own glasses. They also use them if they don't have their own prescription glasses, simply because they do provide great coverage.

Fiona: [00:13:58] Oh, really? I thought they were specifically for going over your regular glasses.

Ian: [00:14:04] No, people do often buy them just because they want a pair of really good glasses that provide decent coverage.

Fiona: [00:14:11] Yep.

Ian: [00:14:11] And then I'd call this our office range, where they're not wrap around sunglasses, but you wouldn't feel so self-conscious if you were in the office with colleagues - not that we're doing an awful lot of that at the moment!

But we are actually hopefully going to get back to that. And this range, where we've got three styles, this is the Titan, which is I think more for men, but it's pretty unisex as well, actually. I'll pop this one on. It's made of a lightweight plastic with thin metal sides and it feels, it looks I think pretty good.

Fiona: [00:14:43] Yeah. I tried those ones. They don't fit my face shape, but they're like a pair of prescription glasses really, aren't they?

Ian: [00:14:50] More like the regular frame, exactly. Now this is an interesting one - Gemini. I don't know that we sent you this one.

Fiona: [00:14:58] I don't think I got that one.

Ian: [00:14:58] No. So maybe I should have done Fiona because it's quite unique and different in the respect that it's got this keyhole bridge. The top of the bridge is a keyhole shape. It 
doesn't sit on the bridge of the nose. So, we know sensitivity relates also to pressure and people often say, you know, "I don't like any feeling on the top of my nose. It gives me a migraine". So, this actually does get some great feedback, the Gemini style, which has this keyhole bridge for that reason.

And then there's Liberty, which is by far and away the favorite amongst women who don't want a wrap-around style for the reasons I mentioned. Again, it's plastic with a metal side. So if you're looking for a more regular style frame, Liberty is...

Fiona: [00:15:39] Maybe that's the one you sent me actually.

Ian: [00:15:42] Yeah, I probably did.

Fiona: [00:15:44] Thanks for that.

Ian: [00:15:45] I didn't mention the clip on. So the clip on is, again, it's fairly lightweight. It's got this sprung loaded clip at the back. Not sure how well you can see that.

Fiona: [00:15:54] I had a little bit of trouble getting the clip to work for me. Can you demonstrate the best way to do that.

Ian: [00:16:00] So if you place your finger just sort of at the inside of the bridge, and then with your thumb, you just open up the clip. Just by flexing.

Fiona: [00:16:08] You press on that bit.

Ian: [00:16:10] Yeah, you press on that bit and then you just slide it over the top. So that's how it sits on the frame. And there it is. That's over the top of my prescription glasses and it's got a flip up design, so actually you can flip it up if you wanted to.

Fiona: [00:16:25] Ah, okay. It was the trick of opening the hinges that I had so much trouble with. I pressed and pressed, but all I could get it to do was to flip this up and it was just flipping up and down for me. And I have to mention I'm not at all mechanically minded, as my family will attest. And so, and so if anyone was going to get it wrong, it was definitely me. Okay. I've now got a handle on it and it's working. It's quite easy to do really, isn't it?

Ian: [00:16:53] Yeah.

Fiona: [00:16:54] I feel silly.

Ian: [00:16:57] Glad you asked me about because I'm sure it's causing other people to question as well.

Fiona: [00:17:01] Yeah. So can people who need prescription glasses, can they order Migralens with a prescription?

Ian: [00:17:09] Yes. Yes, indeed. So if you wear prescription glasses, there are a few options. There's that style that fits over the top, the OverView, which you can put over the top of your own glasses, or the clip on. But if you specifically want your glasses made with prescription Migralens in, we can do that too.

And what I would suggest is, if you go to Migralens.com to our website, there is in the FAQ section, a very simple guide as to how we work to do that with you. Obviously we're in the UK, you're not, but we work in fact to ensure that measurements, etcetera are done correctly. So we don't do this through a webcam or anything. We ask for a set of measurements to be recorded by the local optician, so you work with them. And actually by doing it that way you make sure you're getting a pair of Migralens that are correctly prescribed and correctly set up to be able to wear. Very important of course, when you've got headaches as an issue, to make sure that these glasses are absolutely spot on.

So, yeah, go to the site and have a look at what that process is. But we can make them for distance or reading. We also make them in bifocal and varifocal, or progressives as they're sometimes known. So yes, absolutely, we can make them to your prescription.

Fiona: [00:18:19] Is there any kind of prescription that you can't fill? Cause I know sometimes, some migraine glasses companies wil say particular really difficult prescriptions they can't make. Is there anything that you can't make?

Ian: [00:18:31] Yeah. I mean there aren't many occasions where we've actually not been able to make them. One thing to mention, we only make them in standard plastic lenses, so not in high-index, ultra-thin lenses. So if you had a particularly high prescription, then you might want to think about whether or not you want to go this route. Because obviously a high prescription you may end up with thicker lenses.

But if we see a prescription that we're slightly concerned about them we will actually go back to the customer and recommend that we don't do this for them. So we will decline an order if we think it's not going to be right for the customer.

Fiona: [00:19:03] Yeah. And how about if someone wants to send you their own frames? Do you cut to fit their frames, or is it only the set frames that you have?

Ian: [00:19:14] So actually we do a lot of that for UK customers. If you wanted to do it, you could. As an overseas customer, you could definitely send us your own frame and we would fit them to those. You just have to consider whether you want to send you glasses halfway around the world to have that done. But yes, it is an option and we have that availability through the website - again migralens.com. There is something you can click on which takes you to the process of doing that if you have your own glasses and you want Migralens fitted to you.

Fiona: [00:19:40] Yep How about things like anti-reflective glare coating on the inside of the lens? I know that's been an issue for me before when I got some specially tinted glasses and they didn't put the tinting on the inside which meant I got a whole lot of reflection, which then exacerbated the migraine attacks. Do you put anti-reflective tinting on the inside as well?

Ian: [00:20:02] No we don't actually. But I am sort of confident when I say we haven't had people returning them because of reflections. Partly it's probably to do with the degree of curvature. So if you have a particularly curved lens, you're much more likely to get the reflection pointing straight back into your eye. And also much more likely if, on that curve lens, you don't have a good fit to your face so you've got options for light to get in there and reflect. So no is the answer, but I think because of the frame design and because of the degree of curvature, we don't tend to get that as an issue.

Fiona: [00:20:34] Is it something you could do if someone particularly requested it, or it's not possible at this stage?

Ian: [00:20:39] No. We did experiment and it actually caused some of the pigment to leach out during the process, so we lost some of the effectivity of the lens. So we haven't gone that route.

Fiona: [00:20:49] Yep, okay. Now do you offer contact lenses for people who might want contact lenses?

Ian: [00:20:55] No, but I'm a great fan of contact lenses. I know it doesn't look like it, but absolutely. I have a particularly strong belief in contact lenses, and I think that this would be ideal if people haven't explored them, that they should. And of course they can then pop a pair of non-prescription Migralens glasses over the top. And you can choose the style that way, can't you? So you're not limited when you've got contact lenses - then you can choose the frame that you like.

Fiona: [00:21:20] Is that an option for the future developing something with that tint in contact lenses? I know there are some FL-41 tinted contact lenses that you can get. Is it something that you've thought of developing?

Ian: [00:21:33] So I think it's slightly problematic because once you've got a contact lens on with a filter, you could find yourself in a situation where actually that filter is a problem for you and you need to remove it. So I'm not a great fan of the idea of putting the filter on the lens. So if you went for example, into a darkened room and you stumbled, then obviously there's some degree of risk to you. You can't just pop your lenses out, whereas you can take your glasses off.

Fiona: [00:21:57] Yeah. Yep. Do you offer a guarantee or a warranty for the glasses?

Ian: [00:22:03] Yep. So we have a 60 day money back guarantee on non-prescription glasses. If you order prescription glasses, then if you found that Migralens wasn't suitable, you weren't happy for some reason, we will make a 50% refund or send you a pair of clear, so non-Migralens-tinted glasses in replacement for them.

So we do as much as we can to minimize the financial risks to customers.

Fiona: [00:22:28] Yep. And what countries are Migralens glasses available in?

Ian: [00:22:32] Well, I mean in this digitally connected world we live in they're available in every country. But, we are looking for distributors around the world, including in Australia. So if anyone has a keen interest to distribute Migralens in Australia we'd be keen to talk to you. But otherwise it's a matter of ordering them and we will send them out to you. Rather than having a shop perhaps where you could go along and try them on, you would need to sort of take the plunge and buy a pair.

Fiona: [00:22:59] Yeah. And how about the shipping costs? Can you tell us a little bit about the shipping costs? Cause I know for people located in this part of the world, it's often an issue for us getting stuff from the States or from Europe is the price of shipping. What kind of shipping prices are we looking at for a pair of glasses?

Ian: [00:23:19] So we just relaunched our website actually and at the moment we are shipping to Australia and all around the world for a flat fee of five Sterling, five pounds Sterling. So, really it's sort of the cost of actually us posting to someone in the UK. But we're choosing to sort of absorb that extra cost ourselves to encourage the overseas customers. And, so certainly for the foreseeable we'll be keeping that cost down and hopefully not disadvantaging you just because you're in Australia or New Zealand, than we would someone in the UK.

Fiona: [00:23:52] That's a great deal. Actually I think that's probably pretty much what we'd pay for our shipping costs here in Australia anyway to get something shipped to us locally.

Ian: [00:24:02] And by the way Fiona, they would be sent internationally tracked and signed. So you actually get the ability to track that shipment.

Fiona: [00:24:09] Yeah, that's fantastic. Now you've mentioned the website. Is there any other way that people can get in touch if they have questions? And I guess a follow-up to that, do you encourage people to get in touch before they purchase?

Ian: [00:24:23] Yeah, absolutely. We're more than happy to answer questions to help people through the process. So I would encourage people to be in touch if they've got any such questions. Emailing us at [email protected], or go to the website and complete the contact page and we'll be back in touch as soon as we can. Obviously there's a bit of a time difference, but we'll be in touch as soon as we can. Anything that anyone wants to know, I'm sure we can answer the question and certainly we're more than eager to help people. So do get in touch.

Fiona: [00:24:53] Yeah, and we'll put all the details up in the show notes too so that your contact details are up there so that it's easy for people to find. And we'll also put it up on social media with the information about the podcast.

I just have a couple of questions now about trying the glasses. So when I tried the glasses, and I tended to use them outside more than indoors (that's purely because I have my Irlen glasses), although I have used them indoors as well. The first couple of times that I used them was outdoors and going for a walk. And I initially felt a bit dizzy and a bit off until I got used to them. After that, I found them really helpful and quite useful. And when I was talking to Nicola from your office, she mentioned that sometimes that is the feedback, that initially the first few times people use them they might feel a bit dizzy, but after that they get used to them and they find them helpful.

Why is that?

Ian: [00:25:49] Yeah. So it is really something we only occasionally hear but it's really difficult to know exactly how often it is that someone might experience that - we may not always be told. But I think it's quite unusual. But for a few people, a change in color can seemingly have an impact on their spacial awareness. And if someone experienced that, I think probably the best thing to suggest is that they just ease themselves into them. Be careful so as not to cause themselves any injury while adjusting to wearing them. But again, I think it's going to be a fairly unusual sort of occurrence.

It's definitely something that color does to impact the neurological pathway. And, we know that as you mentioned Irlen's. There's definitely an impact of color on the way we feel and our perceptions and I think spatial awareness is something that is probably affected by again, change of color.

Fiona: [00:26:40] In my case, I get vestibular migraine attacks, so already I have that dizziness and vertigo and lightheadedness associated with that. So that change in color maybe exacerbated that until my brain adjusted. Is that right?

Ian: [00:26:56] Yeah, I would think so. Fiona, actually, I didn't know it was vestibular that you had, but we have had so much, and especially recently so I guess the news is spreading particularly amongst that community, so many people with vestibular migraine who have actually been benefiting from Migralens. I hadn't really explored vestibular before, but it seems like Migralens is really helping them.

Fiona: [00:27:15] I think, vestibular migraine, there are so few effective treatments and so few things that will help. And it's quite often so light-related; light is often a big trigger for it, that if you can find a solution to the light-related issues, then it really does help. And so the Allay Lamp, Dr. Burstein's, green lamp has actually been quite effective for a lot of people with vestibular migraine as well. So I imagine working on the same principles, that would be part of the reason why Migralens might be helping.

Ian: [00:27:48] Yes, I would think so.

Fiona: [00:27:50] Now, so that people do know, I did use the glasses in a variety of different situations. I used them when I was on the computer. I used them when I was indoors at a very, excessively to my mind, excessively lit indoor sporting area.

I used them outdoors in the bright sun and I used them on cloudy days as well. I found them really helpful actually on cloudy days when, and I know this from talking with Dr. Burstein that you get a lot of blue light on those days, and I found them particularly helpful on those days. They were very soothing.

So, I just wanted to let people know about that. Is there anything else Ian that you'd like to add, that you'd like to tell listeners about Migralens?

Ian: [00:28:36] Just to say, just for your listeners actually we've got a code, a discount code to use on the migralens.com website when purchasing. And it's "migrainexalone". Would that be how you would normally?

Fiona: [00:28:48] Yeah. MigraineXalone. Yeah.

Ian: [00:28:50] So "migraine" and then "xalone", all one word. And that would give you 15% off the normal purchase price until the end of December.

Fiona: [00:29:00] Oh, thanks Ian. That's really great. That's really kind of you. And just so everyone knows there's no kickback for us from that. That's just a generous offer from Migralens. Thank you, Ian.

Ian: [00:29:11] You're welcome.

Fiona: [00:29:12] Thank you very much to Ian for joining us on the show today and spending so much time to introduce us to Migralens glasses.

We will get this up on the website for you so that you can take a look and hopefully it will help you out if you'd like to try Migralens. They are very reasonably priced. I know if you're looking from Australia, most of the glasses are around $71 Australian. So, less than the cost of an expensive pair of sunglasses.

But from my trial, I definitely will be purchasing a pair to use. So I hope that you can find somewhere to try them out and hope that they might be something that you can add to your migraine toolbox to help you through. Ian, thank you for joining us on the show today.

Ian: [00:29:54] Thank you Fiona, it's been a real pleasure. Really nice to meet you.

Fiona: [00:29:57] You too. Thank you.
Thanks for joining us on the show today everyone. We hope you enjoyed that talk with Ian from Migralens. Remember to check out the videos so that you can actually see the glasses. 
And if you decide to buy a pair, remember that the discount code is migrainexalone - all lower case, and all one word.

Next week on the show, we have a special guest interviewer, Maxine. She's joining us to interview Duncan about his experience being a carer for someone living with chronic migraine, and what it's like to go through that experience with your partner watching their health deteriorate and your lifestyle change. So I hope you'll enjoy that episode. I'm looking forward to hearing it.

Until next week, I hope you have a migraine free day! Bye!