What Happens When You Stop Running From Death & Trauma | Daniel Kriesant | EP20

In this episode of the Zulu One Podcast, I sit down with Daniel Kriesant to explore one of the most profound aspects of healing:

What happens when we stop resisting life, death, and the family system we come from?

At the beginning of this conversation, Daniel shares a deeply moving experience from a family constellation where, for the first time, he felt his mother walk beside him. After years of a challenged relationship, something shifted. And in that moment, it wasn’t just about his mother, it was about reconnecting to his entire lineage and the support that has always been there.

We explore how healing often begins with something simple, yet incredibly difficult:

Gratitude for life itself, regardless of the story we came from.

This conversation moves into deeper territory around death, presence, and what it means to truly hold space for another human being. Daniel shares his work as a death doula, where he sits with individuals at the end of life, not to fix or change anything, but to be fully present with them in their final moments.

One of the most powerful ideas in this episode is this:

The pathway to presence goes through your trauma.

We talk about:

• Healing the relationship with your parents
• Reconnecting with your ancestors
• Why trauma disconnects us from presence
• The role of family constellations in generational healing
• What happens at the end of life
• Why death is not something to fear, but something to understand
• The power of simply being present with another human being

Daniel Kriesant is a practitioner whose path has been shaped by a near-death experience at the age of 12, past life regression work, and deep spiritual inquiry. He is trained as a death doula and supports individuals and families through end-of-life transitions with presence, compassion, and grace.

His work is rooted in allowing, not fixing. In trusting the field, not controlling it.

About Our Guest

Over this last chapter of life, Daniel has gone through a deep process of shedding and transformation across multiple layers of his being. His journey includes near-death experiences, past life regression work, and a lifelong exploration of spiritual healing.

He is trained as a death doula through the Emberlight Center for Conscious Living and Dying, and currently supports individuals through end-of-life transitions. His work is deeply influenced by family constellations, where he has found a profound way to allow the field to guide healing, rather than forcing outcomes.

At the core of his approach is presence, trust, and honoring the natural unfolding of life and death.

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Transcript

Welcome And Guest Introduction

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Welcome to the Zool One Podcast. Today we're joined by Daniel Christoph, a practitioner whose path has been shaped by near-death experience, past life regression work, and deep spiritual inquiry. Daniel has trained as a death dueler and works with a soul-level healing, shadow integration, and nature-based traditions. Today we'll explore his journey, his work with end-of-life support, and his experience that shaped his approach to healing and service. Let's begin. Good to see you, brother. Good to see you. How are you? Good. Good. What can what came up for you on that meditation?

SPEAKER_01 0:52

I mean, the field guides the way. Um one of the benefits of the family constellation work has been an opportunity to repair a very challenged relationship with my mom. And uh even just breathing that in. During that meditation, truthfully, is the first time I felt her walk up beside me. Um it has been a long, slow dance, and for reasons we all understand. Um, this last weekend's constellation was really impactful, and that's the power of it right there, you know? Because as you were walking us back through the generations, because she was actually there, there was like this whole new ancestry that was standing behind me, and that was like uh uh had I still have tears. Um I I am profoundly grateful for these steps, you know.

SPEAKER_02 2:06

Yeah, that's um, you know, we we don't realize and even and and this is so I it sounds flippant to say that regardless of the story, that we come from a lineage, right? That we have, and these people might be present, they may, they may be past, they may, we may have difficult relationships with them, we may have like these complex stories of pain and trauma and all this stuff that comes in. But if we kind of part from the principle of thank you for giving me life, right? It's like that's two people came together regardless of the of the circumstances, regardless if it was in love, if it was in pain, if it was in in trauma, regardless of whatever those things that that dynamic is that two people came together and we're here because of that, right? And for some people that may be a foster story, and some people that may be a story that they were they had a very painful childhood, but we have this gratitude for the opportunity to work through this stuff, right? It's like, and you and and I'm I'm so just kind of grateful for you coming into this orbit because the way that you approach this is such a with such beauty and with such grace that I think is is so needed, especially from from men, men, right, to to look at this from your perspective. And when we were talking about the death doula kind of aspect of your of your next chapter, I'm just I'm just fascinated of how you came to the integration of all these things.

SPEAKER_01 3:36

You know, um the death doula work uh has been something that I've been called to I literally since my twenties when I first heard Ron Doss talk about it. Um and uh there was just this profound resonance that I now understand as my coherent heart um that has stayed with me, but it's really taken 30 years of life and experience to be able to do the walk. And so um I think one of my gifts is that I can just sit and allow people where they are, and I don't feel the need to fix or repair anything. Like I'm literally there to allow the moment to be exactly as it is and to be in deep presence. Um and I have some people I see, um a woman who's frequently asleep when I show up, but it doesn't I will still sit in silence for the hour with her. Um if she's awake, she likes to hold hands. So I I get my hand warm in the sink and I get it, you know. Um and she has memory issues, but that's okay. Like we sit in empty presence, and what I recognized in constellations was the opportunity to be in presence and allow the field and ancestors to really empty you to be in that moment for whatever is unfolding. And I mean, I don't think people ever forget their first constellations. Um and we had a very small intimate group that really was so heart open that it was one of the most beautiful weavings I just had ever witnessed in real time. And I knew it when I saw it. Um and so and even with just the few constellations I've been able to do, I I feel that work has deepened my ability to be present, to really empty empty my story all together and just allow the moment to unfold. No expectation in our stories. Um and I think that's part of what really has me coming back, even if I don't receive a reading, the opportunity to be in presence for others.

SPEAKER_02 6:40

It's um, you know, you I gotta I just got a such like a wave of emotion on when you're talking about being present for people and that man, I get so emotional about this. I don't know why I get so emotional about this, but you know, the dignity of presence, you know, it's it's just this this this profound grace of holding space for somebody in such a ah man, I get so emotional about this. Um, you know, just really holding space for somebody during the that transition. And it really takes a special human being to go through that process. So man, what a uh I I can't explain it other than being in the presence of grace, you know, to to do that for somebody else, you know. It's it's oh man. I didn't know I was gonna get so emotional about this, but it's it's truly profoundly beautiful. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:27

Well, and I I mean the I mean, one of the core mantras, right, in our practice is we're all just walking each other home. Yeah. Um that is beautiful. And because I am of the understanding and reincarnation, because that's what feels organic and right to me. Um, you know, I also feel like a deep connection that I've done this before. And that when I cross the threshold of their room, I I really am bringing in all those times I have practiced this before. And so I can walk in with a completely I don't know and I don't need to know. I I and when you drop that and you just allow for the moment. Um I'll tell you the telepathy tapes that really influence me when people are sleeping or maybe they have memory issues to really drop deep into the heart and allow that heart-to-heart frequency to do the talking. Um yeah. And it's been profoundly impactful.

SPEAKER_02 8:43

And the, you know, I I I like to say that when people are born, when they get married, when they get divorced, and when they die is when like the cracks of the family system start showing up, and you know, everybody jumps in, they kind of under that pressure collapse to their to their wound, you know, and it's such a fascinating thing to see. And I I would imagine that your presence, you're holding space for the family as much as you are for the person that's transitioned. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

And um and sometimes more so, you know, right now I'm seeing people that are in facilities, but when we are seeing people at home, um that is a form of respite care. And their caregivers very much need that time to go do the things they need to and not be 75% still in the house. And I consider it a great honor that these people open their house to us and give us the opportunity to walk with all of them. Um and there's so many lessons that are unfolding from it, you know. I I I I feel like I'm just at the tip of the iceberg, and I you know, I I'm grateful that I have the opportunity to do this work, and you're exactly right. I would take the divorce. I will take that. Thank you. And that collapsed everything. I mean, yeah. But through that I have found presence again and have made a deep commitment to live in accordance to the guidance my heart is providing.

SPEAKER_02 10:35

Yeah, that's that's um such a beautiful way to approach this this work, you know, to say that sometimes through the wound, you know, I think it it was uh Rumi that talks about that. It's like through the wound is where God lets a light and you know, allows a light in. So and it's just that that story of triumph is from that's the hero's journey, right? You talk about from being in pain to overcoming that pain and then creating this beautiful transformation. And I'm always profoundly inspired by people that take that and then and then choose to go into the recesses that people usually avoid on a regular basis, right? People don't they don't want to think uh about death. And just to have to to live in that edge space is is is it just create it has so much courage to it, you know. And you've you've I don't know if my my family's told you the story, but we had um like seven people transition in a in a 10-year period, right? It was like almost every year. Um it was very, you know, very almost like clockwork, somebody was was passing. And some were abrupt and some were through hospice care. And and we we became really good at end of life, which is weird for a family to say that we just had a ton of practice. And it was there was now looking back on it, there were so many beautiful gifts in it. They're just beautiful, life-changing, paradigm-shifting gifts in it. And I don't know, and just to have somebody that can that can create that perspective is such a like such a gift.

Childhood Near-Death Experience

SPEAKER_01 12:08

Well, and I I I think one of the things I'm becoming most aware of recently is just how much we need to live in community and how segmented and isolated and shut off and contracted so many people are. Um and I think that death was a tribal thing, and I think we we learned about death from when we were, you know, little kids because it happened around the fire, and the stories of those people were told. And so returning the sacred nature to death, that's it right there. Yeah, and yeah to help be a resource for people guiding ceremony and ritual, and there's opportunities to do legacy projects and just really helping people come to uh uh they're not pushing death away still. They understand that this is the body coming to the end, and that is what is dying. There is no death. Like we move on, and if you can help people get there, it makes life a lot better.

SPEAKER_02 13:32

Yeah, but um yeah, I think one of the most beautiful things in constellations is that is that we see that when we see those people coming into our system and still having influence and being able to reconnect and being able to bow and to say thank you and or give back those things to our lineage is just like it's so releasing to to to act after a while. It's like it's not obvious. It's not one of those things that you see like, oh, things just don't change when somebody transitions. It's literally now I have all the support and support of the highest version of them, not the support of the the wound of who they were, right? And so being able to work through those things is such a like this, such a great opportunity for us to release and give back that baggage and give back the stuff that doesn't belong to us and us only carry what's ours.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

Well, and to have that supporting relationship with ancestor, um, I have found through the end of my divorce, uh, I mean, I felt more alone and isolated and in the dark. Um and I realized that now that I I needed to go there to understand that like I was never alone. I was never that even in the most isolated, contracted state, like I walked with legends. And constellations has given me such a unique opportunity to really connect to those incredibly beautiful on the other side, like you said, highest versions of them, um, to feel their support when doubt or anxiety or fear rise, you know. Um truly uh a profound support network. And then like when we go to do a constellations weekend, I'm sitting there watching people walk in and I'm watching like the entire convention center come with them.

SPEAKER_03 15:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

And so um it truly is a profound opportunity for the individual to work through those things that, like you said, have been passed on to us that aren't ours to carry. Um, and I've seen such profound movements for so many people now. It is truly breathtaking.

SPEAKER_02 16:08

The um the thing that I love to see is um when pe the at people's energy at the beginning of the constellation and then after. You know, if I if I had uh, you know, a ghost spectrum analyzer of like analyzing people's energy and take a picture of like the auras of what they look like versus afterwards, it's like it's just such a transformation.

SPEAKER_01 16:30

Right. But when we walk in the room, we're all in our head. And by the time we get done six, seven, eight hours later, we are not in our heads. And we have spent real time in our hearts and in community. Um uh and I still love that my rational brain wants to try to get a hold of it, like in a way that it can tie a boat around it and understand it. And then like the soul self of me is like, yep, uh we understand how that happens, and it's through grace and guidance. And yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:11

Um, Bert Hellinger would say that um the longest road in Africa is not from Cape Town to Cairo, it's from the head to the heart and from the there to the here and now. Which is like, oh, when you hear that, you're like, wow, that's just you know, if we cut and and you said that so beautifully, is like that we come in, everybody's in their head and they're carrying all these things, and they're gonna be like, What am I gonna do? What are they gonna do? And it if you just arrive from your open heart to and how you approach the end of life care to say, I'm coming here in presence and being an open heart and being an open vessel that we're not carrying this baggage, and that's where these things disconnect is through that trauma that's here in between those things. And, you know, it shows so much how how much work you've already done before you got to Constellations to be a vessel that's open to just be present, right? It's like if we just could be present.

SPEAKER_01 18:05

I I will definitely give credit to the depth of a program through Ember Light, the Center for Conscious Living and Dying in Asheville.

SPEAKER_02 18:16

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SPEAKER_01 18:35

They really provided absolute rocket fuel in terms of establishing why the power of presence is so important. And there are many details that will come, but the pathway to presence has to be through your trauma. And so because when you walk into those situations, whatever your triggers are, you need to either be aware that they're gonna happen, and that way you can allow them to rise and fall and be like, Yep, that's me being me, and there you go. Um or I I prefer just to stay in the moment and kind of move with the situation. Uh and the program provided really great intimate friendships. Um, the two cohorts that I went through the program with. I I am guaranteed I will be working like it's just I don't know how, I don't know when, but like my heart is just so crystal clear, like the universe is weaving its way, so we will be back together again, you know? That's that's beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 19:54

And so Daniel, I know that um you had a NDE when you were when you were younger. Can you can you tell me a little bit about that?

SPEAKER_01 20:01

And we had a a I guess it's where we had a this No, I got it. Like I guess it's where it it all started, right? Um I was 12, I had been sick for two years with autoimmune hemogenic anemia, which is basically my spleen devouring my red blood cells. They couldn't get it to stop, and so removing the spleen was the answer. Um and two weeks after that I started having crazy pain in my right side. Um doctors didn't believe me, said I was making it up, and the pain only continued to get worse. Um, it had been about two and a half, thirty weeks, and um the medication wasn't working anymore. Like I would get a half hour, and they're like, Well, you have three hours and thirty minutes to wait. Um and I couldn't remember what happened before, but I remember like leaving out of the hospital, like just rising. But what I remember most of all is that I wasn't in pain, that I was aware of the whole self, like the blinding white hot pain was gone until I continued to rise until I got to a point where there was a park bench. So, what do you do when you see a park bench? You take a seat. And like a mirage coming in from the desert. I see this form walking towards me, and as he approaches, I can recognize him as my grandfather, who passed away when I was one. And he sat down next to me. I can still feel his hand cut across my face. His hands were coarse like sandpaper, and they He smelled like a rich deep tobacco smoke. And he simply looked at me and he said, Dan, it's just not your time. Like I understand, like this is just please believe me, this is just not your time. We sat for a while on the park bench. I don't like remember if there was much conversation, but the p his presence. Man, I can still sm like even now I'm 51. I can still smell the tobacco on his hands. Um shortly after waking up, a young intern or a young like radiologist on probation in the hospital came through, and everybody was trying to crack my case because nobody knew what was going on. This guy walked in, looked at my chart, and within two minutes knew exactly what was going on. That postplanectomy, it is very possible to get a blood clot to your liver. And the the main highway vein is the one that gets occluded. And so they wheeled me straight into radiology. They found the blood clot that was 99% occluded. And so the body over the previous weeks had been building secondary and tertiary blood supplies around that portal vein into liver. So I mean, had I not been 12, like there was so much that shouldn't have happened that happened. Um and I knew it was my grandfather because in conversations with my mom, like I I just remember her dropping and being like, there's just no way you remember that he died when you were one. You were one. There's no way. And ever since then, I can't tell you what there is, but I can tell you there isn't it's.

SPEAKER_02 24:00

Yeah, it makes sense.

Family Visits Near Death

SPEAKER_01 24:02

And and at 12, that that changes the different, that changes the lens of everything, right?

SPEAKER_02 24:09

Yeah, that's um my so my wife um is into this world, right? That she about exploring what this the the other side, right? And we listened to this podcast, and it was uh end-of-life uh hospice nurse. And she would talk about it that doesn't matter if they're on medica heavy medications or not, doesn't matter what their religion is, doesn't matter if they were a great person or not. That it doesn't really matter the story of the context, but most people report that people come to get them, right? And it's just like this phenomenon that people that have transitioned already, that your family members can be like, hey, all right, so you got a couple days, or they'll say something, they'll have a message, or they'll be in the room, or you know, you have people that raise their hands to to reach out for somebody to say that. It's like this, this, this wild phenomenon that is even shows up in the hospital end of life care pamphlets that I don't even think that we're where we have the right language to explore where this phenomenon comes from, to say these people come to get us, or they came come with a message, or they come with, you know, laying your grandfather's case to say, not yet. Um, and just this like just beauty of of that we're not alone, right? That we're that we don't have this kind of finality, this bookend to our lives, that there's this other piece. And I have a family anecdote for this. And, you know, it's completely anecdotal, but my um my my aunt, my mom's sister passed away. And her middle son that she was extraordinarily close with uh developed cancer and and he was in hospice. And she said she came into the room um and she said, You have three days. So you, you know, he's like, hey, kid, you got you got three days, basically. And he was, he's like, Yeah, mom came. It was either a dream or a time, and he was and he was he was in an odd situation because you know, he was all there mentally, he was all there. He was a young man, he was 31 years old, and he was physically there and he took as he was transitioning, he was like, I just dot like he was almost narrating his transition, which is which is wild that he was he was still so strong. He was uh, you know, he played uh football for the Air Force Academy and and you know, he was a special ops guy in the Air Force, and so he's a physical specimen. So he was there was part of his body that was transitioning, and there was also part of his body that was that just had this natural fight in it. And it was just fascinating to see somebody go through that. And from not from the family member that's losing, you know, uh somebody that they they care about, but from the kind of objective or systemic lens. You saw this, she came in three days, and then he was narrating the process of of transition. It's just it was it's just mind.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

But I mean, that her like setting that timer off gave him the the presence to be able to do that narration. Um I find that profoundly impactful. And um my grandmother on my death side lived to 103, and gracefully the universe knocked on my shoulder and said, you know, her time's coming if you want to see her scramble. And it was in March of 2020. And so wow, uh, I was traveling the beginning of the month. Um, and uh even now I stand in grief for like um two more weeks and I wouldn't have made it out there, I couldn't have traveled like so much. Um during the last couple days I was with her, she started talking to her brothers and sisters, all pet pets. She had three sisters and three brothers, and instead of trying to she had really advanced Alzheimer's. Um but instead of trying to correct her, I started asking questions. What are they wearing? Where have they been? They know any good jokes just to get her to start because at some point it was very clear to me that they were in the room and like she was just closer to the veil and could see them. Um even in my nonverbal patients, I will still ask if they have brothers and sisters for them to come forward and to be guides to show the crossing way. Um and there's something in me that knows it gets there.

Heart Wisdom Meets Engineering Mind

SPEAKER_02 28:48

Yeah, it's a profound knowing, which is it's it's almost truer than true, right?

SPEAKER_01 28:54

Listen, I'm an engineer, I know science and math, and I love it, right? I love the rigors, I I I got my master's degree and how and why water does what it does, and that is knowledge. What comes through my heart is a timeless wisdom, right? And so I can honor my knowledge because I enjoy it and I really appreciate the scientific method. It helps me get my head around some things. Um the more committed I am to living in alignment with my heart, the more profound my experience has become. Um, I just heard something this past week that the heart is a thousand times more conductive and electric than the brain. Like it they were talking about the heart as a portal and the electromagnetic field that's generated by all the electroactivity that's happening within the heart, that it is this field generator. And there are means by which we can measure heart fields out at fifteen feet, but that is because we have the rudimentary tools we have today. What will we be able to measure in the future? What happens when 20 people get together to help each other walk through what they brought to walk through? When all of our hearts are in that space resonating together. I mean, what uh uh like even just like looking down at it from above, all these spheres of heartfelt, genuine like compassion bringing this resonant frequency to that room, and poof, like no wonder we get the work done we do.

unknown 30:44

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:45

The phenomenological aspect of it is, you know, I somebody asked me, is like, how do you explain constellations? And I'm like, which three ways do you want? Do you want the spiritual, you want the religious, or you want the technical? Right. And then I try to to look at it from those three lenses.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

That is a great way to put it because I have a hell of a time trying to explain to people. Because no matter how I sequence the words together, if I logically just try to do it, I don't get there. I get a lot of like, what are you talking about? And I'm like, you can always come with. If you're really that uncomfortable, you can get up and leave, and nobody will be mad or upset, like, or you can maybe dip your toe in the water and see if it's warm or not, you know?

SPEAKER_02 31:35

Yeah, and that there's you know, from your engineering brain, it's interesting to see like I've always had this this idea that there's a math hidden, there's a like a probabilistic math hidden behind this, this whole concept, right? And and to go, if you allow me to go into the technical world a little bit, it's like just there's a opposing force in the formula, that's systemic resistance, that's loyalty, right? So people does when you have a breakthrough, is the need to heal is greater than the systemic resistance. So this is and so you if you start looking at it from like a physics perspective, you start seeing these orbits. And that's where really the name constellations came from is like we're these celestial beings that have influence over each other and through each other's orbits, right? So if you have a massive trauma in the family system, everybody's kind of drawn into that. There's a there's a force pulling everybody into that until those tether tethers are cut and released, then we can move on and transition to the next phase. So it's like there's I I I've always had the suspicion that there's a hidden math in family constellations or in systemic constellations.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

I wouldn't be surprised at all. Like I still truly don't, well, in my little human brain, um math is I think the universe is language. I I think even if other beings communicate auditorily, like there are a whole bunch of assumptions we're making just because we do it. Um and I I can't deny, like you were saying, the people that walk in, like the heart field that I've left constellations with resonates with me for weeks afterwards. And those unique people that played a part either in my reading or that were on the field with me, when they come up, like I'm right back with their heart. And I know that heart because we spent time in that space together. And we're gonna do a little science, let's do science. I think somewhere we exchange like quantum entanglement. Like I think there's something that people exchange that comes from the heart. And I I can't put a name to it, but it is a thing. It's not a thing. Whatever's exchanged stays with, and is our ability to tune back in on that that allows us to like instantly connect hearts across vast distances. Um I was at uh shamanic healing ceremony last night, and some people shared some profound things. And standing in the sunrise like this morning, I just let that like warm golden feeling flow out to the group that was there that gathered last night because it was so special. Um I do think science will catch up one day. I think that there is uh I mean our ability to detect is continuing to get better. There are things that are continuing to be discovered. Um I I think there will be a time when the nature of the energy or prana or filling your blank quantum it it all works. Um I think there will be a time when science and this deep profound connection we have with each other will line up. And I like the heart math people have done a lot of really great work. And you know, heart coherence is like when I found it, I have been doing it for two decades. And so I had all this practical experience with this thing that they describe so beautifully. I was like, oh, thank you so much. Like that helps my engineering spiritual heads. They're like, oh hi, nice to meet you. I can agree here.

Explaining Constellations And Closing

SPEAKER_02 35:49

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's uh this so much of the spiritual work is uh remembering, right? It's like it's you know, when you when you do a pencilation, you're not really you do it with the person, but you're just helping them uncover what they already know. And it's not like, oh yeah, that makes sense. You know, it's like this the trauma blocks the understanding, the logical mind, and then just the emergent just comes in and it's just it's just this beautiful knowing. It's it's it really is truly profound. Um, but Daniel, we're we're at the top of the hour. And I want to thank you for just bringing your incredible presence to this and and encourage you to to keep doing this this this work. It's so needed to to do this end of life care. And it's it's just such a beautiful thing, and and and it's very inspirational. And if people want to get a hold of you, how do they how would they do that? How would they best do that?

SPEAKER_01 36:44

Uh Dancresant at gmail.com. There you go. Um truly grateful for being here. Thank you for having me on.

SPEAKER_02 36:54

Thank you for for bringing your beautiful soul into our into our orbit. I I'm I'm deeply, deeply grateful for that.

SPEAKER_01 37:01

No, I I think we still have a lot of work to do together. So I I am profoundly grateful for the community.

SPEAKER_02 37:08

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