The Right Shoe
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Julie Barnyock - A Cold Case File
Julie Barnyock was an 18 year old girl with the whole world in front of her. She had just graduated the previous June from high school and was on her way to visit friends when something happened to stop this adventurous young woman in her tracks. But who or what hasn't been known for almost 30 years now.
Julie Barnyock was found murdered in a dank and cold train yard three weeks after she went missing, partially clothed and beaten to death.
Several theory's and a few suspects were brought forth. yet her case has remained cold. Debbie Q investigates and tries to piece together what may have happened to her.
Also after this discussion I apologize for a statement that was made on my previous Mayhem episode that I got clobbered for.
In reference to Julie Barnyock if anyone has any tips the detective line is still open - even today a $10, 000.00 still stands if anyone has any information that could lead to a possible arrest. Please call 610-278-3368.
Good afternoon This is Debbie Q and you're listening to the right shoe. The right shoe is a podcast about all things strange and unusual, especially in reference to a death and tonight we're going to talk about the death of Julie barnyock. It's a cold case. I don't think I've ever done an episode yet where, where they didn't know the killer. I'm trying to think, you know, outside of the strange ones like Pipus? Well Marilyn, you know, there's debate but this one is truly a cold case.
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roofie is there any good in the world? You know, and especially with everything else going on, you know? COVID and, and, you know, it stinks that we're so isolated now. And yeah, it's it causes a lot of anxiety. So my, my friend had said, Will you look up the case of Julie barnyock. And also what she said to me was when this happened, and this happened in 93, and she's a little younger than me. So when this happened, she was just getting out of high school. Now I had told the story about Tina severns number two on my cases. And she had been murdered, the story is number two, but I'll go over it briefly. She was a friend, my sister was best friends with their twin, and we were all friends in that neighborhood. And she came to my house. I remember her walking through my basement. I can remember it sitting here. Like it was yesterday. It scares me thinking of that. I remember she, Oh, God, it freaks me out. She opened the door to the backyard. And then like a week later, my mom was in my bedroom, saying, Debbie, wake up, Tina's missing. And I said, mom, she's probably out partying. I never in my wildest, wildest imagination. I never thought what happened would happen. it's hard to think about to be honest. But the point is, is that I remember that feeling. And I was a junior in high school. Now, the girl who wrote to me s said, you know, she felt the same way. She She said, when it happened, they were all scared to death. And what happened is very scary. Julie barnyockwas a nice girl. And, you know, she was like one of those girls that was idealistic. That would bring Halloween candy to the homeless. Everyone's friend. It seemed like she really had a good heart and being so sweet. Nice. There was a maybe a little night naivete about her because what happened was one night, she had some friends down on South Street. Brian type who was homeless at the time, but she was going to meet them. And she you know, as I said, that didn't matter to her. She that was her friend and she was hanging out with them. Now she came back on the train from philly,
one of the stops is landsdale which is in montgomery county. Now her family, Gloria and Joseph. Barnyock they all lived in New Britain and she had just graduated from Central books. It's called CB West High School. There's a couple of them but this was CBS. Let's say she was coming back on the R5. She calls her parents and her mom said she sounded nervous. Now mother always knows. So if she said she sounded nervous, something was up even when she called. She was telling her dad that she needed a ride but she barely got the words out and the phone was slammed down. So her dad drove to the train station. And it's right on the right on the border of Bucks County and montgomery county. So with the train station being among call Montgomery County, so that probably I bet you that caused a little bit of issue but you know, when she was first reported as missing something happen that I read and it's very peculiar. Julie calls her father. The phone is said to be slammed down. Now he goes to the landsdale train station to pick her up. They question why he waited so long to read why the family waited so long because they said 18 hours went by before she was reported missing. Now the family said Gloria in particular was in a newspaper ad saying the morning call I believe it was that Joseph thought he saw her get into a car with somebody else with one of her friends. So with that is so peculiar to me. Because if I went to a train station to pick up my daughter, I know if I saw her get into a car with friends I still I would have went after the car.
Just to make sure that she was in that car. So that to me is a curious thing that he thought he saw are getting into a car with friends. And that didn't alarm him after the phone was slammed down. But trust me, I am in no way at all saying the families and anything wrong, because they probably thought everything was fine. And this is all in retrospect, in hindsight, it just struck me as peculiar that when she said that, I was like, Wow, that is weird. Why? I just find it peculiar, but it it means nothing, because it's just an unfortunate thing where we probably do question yourself 1000 times, why didn't I make sure why didn't I do this? Why did they do that? When he came to the chain station, 20 minutes later, regardless of if he thought he saw or get into a car or not, he couldn't find her. So he went home. And then the next morning, she still wasn't home. So that's when they call the police. And then they started getting worried. Even right off the top of the bat, I had the mom Gloria had an uneasy feeling that something was wrong. I don't know there was a guy Brian Tod who was homeless at the time and he was their friend, but I get the impression that the mom never particularly cared for him. And that's just a gut feeling because she never really says anything until he says something be cooler than I'll get to. It seems like Brian tod was a friends with benefits. I guess you would call it nowadays. back then. It wasn't quite the same yet. The problem is, is that she was gone. I mean, they did not. They didn't know where she was, and some time passed before she was to be found. So she's missing three weeks go by now she the latest time she was seen alive was November 8 1993. She was found unfortunately by a homeless person on December 2 1993. In a SEPTA, which is a southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority. It is what Philly in the surrounding area Philadelphia use as the transportation system. And one of the train yards they found are decomposing body that was cold out there. But she was there, nude from the waist down. She was decomposed enough that they really couldn't gather any evidence. And that's a big problem with this case, I get the impression that they didn't never collected, it seems that she was sexually assaulted. But they could never collect any DNA evidence or anything like that. Now when I asked some of her friends, if anything they can remember back then they weren't sure if the body was kept somewhere and then later put at this train station. You know, it seems odd that all of a sudden maybe it was kept somewhere and then put it the train station. I'm not sure nobody is sure. And it gave people nightmares. For weeks. Everyone that knew of her went to school with her said the same thing that it just terrified everybody, and they were very scared. Like what happened to Julie How could this happen? New Britain is a nice neighborhood. It's not an area where a lot of murders happen at all. It's not that far outside of Philadelphia, the landsdale train station, but it's miles away from for example, this year we're hitting 500 murders in Philadelphia the homicide unit is slamming busy, but especially in the 90s. I lived for a brief time in on the border of Montgomery just as this train station slash where her parents live New Britain was on the Bucks County side Montgomery was where the train station was, but it was right there. When I lived in this apart it was that we went to the house 611 and countyline road in well that's the thing. Back then it was still phone books. He had a phone number and when I called the phone company get my phone turned on. They said do you want to be listed as hatboro or Horsham? Montgomery or bucks and I said I would rather be considered bucks at there were several reasons for that. That's how close the counties are. You are right on the line. So they found her in the train yard and she was beat but what killed her
was ultimately blunt force trauma to the head, she had been beaten so badly in the face that it was beyond recognition. Now, as a parent, I cannot imagine the feeling of knowing this is how your child died, there is still a $10,000 reward to this day. And I will give the number right now also, I will write the number in Dory to podcast calm. It's the detectives. For this particular case, the area code is 610-278-3368. That's 610-278-3368. And if you know any information, you never know, there's still a $10,000 reward or just out of the kindness of your heart. If If you know anything, if you're still alive, and maybe you've done this horrible crime because the person's out there somewhere, that person was never caught. That family has no closure. That has got to be absolute torture. I mean, so this family needs closure. Tina severns, it's, I mean, it's horrible that we even though he is and I can't even say his name. I just gotta hate the guy so much. They finally had closure, even if it still it still destroys families. nothing good ever comes out of that. It's a nightmare. But to have closure, I'm sure this family still wants closure regardless.
And they found her beaten to death in a train yard with no pants on. And she was just beaten so badly. They she was unrecognizable. I think perhaps they used dental records, maybe too. I'm sure just maybe the clothes she was wearing. They identified or as Julie, it was a mystery. And there, there was three total suspects. Now the three suspects one was Brian Todd and that was her so called homeless friend I think back then he he was homeless. And it seems from the articles I read that he got himself together a little better. So he's not homeless to in today. I'll go through the suspects. And then I'll go through each one. Brian tied. He was in his 20s at the time of her death. And he was her. He was her boyfriend slash friends were I guess friends with benefits. The only way I can say it because there was some sort of possible romantic relationship, but they were never able to totally cooperate that so they they weren't sure of their exact relationship. But that's who she was visiting the night that she went to South Street, Scott Hutchins, who at the time was 26 he was he's in jail now. Still, and we'll get to what his story was. And then arthur bomar who was the one who was given the death sentence for Amy Willard, a she was a lacrosse player and one night, her car was found. She was at a bar called smokey joes Tavern one night in Wayne, Pennsylvania, just outside Philadelphia. She was from Philly, she was going to school, a student at George Mason university where she was ranked in the top 25 female cosplayers in the country. So she came in she had three beers and then she's they said oh, she's she was there for three hours. And she drank less than one beer and she left friends would say she left the bar between 130 and 140. And only a short time later, two o'clock and off duty paramedic spotted her car. This story is fascinating. The car was found running with the headlights on the radio playing and the driver side door open. And it was on it was abandoned on Interstate 46. It was like a transition right between 46 and route one. There was no sign of Amy. There was a little blood found and they realized something horrible it happened A short time later. I think it was later that day. Amy's naked body was found in a vacant lot of North Philadelphia 16th and Indiana by a group of children playing her clothing had never been found. She had been raped. And blunt force trauma is what killed her. Just like Julie
How they found arthur bomar was interesting. I'll just say that real quick. He had done this to a couple people and in fact, they figured that he was the killer of Maria cabuenos. She had disappeared three months before his arrest and she was also on Route 476 where they found blood and her their bumpers have been scraped. So this is what how I probably got Aimee because ultimately how he was caught was he had, he was driving behind. They didn't give the victim's name, but he was driving behind a woman and he kept bumping her car. She was scared, but she did get his license plate number. Now his license plate. It was registered to him, Arthur Bomar, but the car was registered to Maria cubuenos. So they assume that she had killed her but it was never entirely proven. He did go to court for Aimee willards death and he flipped off the mother and told her to go Excuse My French fuck herself and her two kids, which is just lovely. He's still on death row. He's still in jail and a he's a pig and God bless and he's in jail. I you know, you're gonna be cocky on top of everything else. It's disgusting, disgusting. Now the manner of death, the blunt force trauma, the sexual assault. You know how Julie was found with no pants on? This is what led them to speculate because he actually, oddly enough now this happened in 1996 with Amy Willard in 1992. Julie barn Yak was at Doylestown, hospital author Bowmore work, there is an orderly Gloria barnack was wondering, perhaps, you know, even though this was before his reign of terror, maybe he did see Julie in the hospital, and it's a long shot, but the manner of death was so similar. And the detectives did say like, we have absolutely no physical evidence that author had done this, but nothing's out of the question. And that is peculiar that he did work in a place where she was the patient. And then this happened a year later. So it while it's possible, I I'm not a big fan of the author Bowmore theory only because, I mean, I know that he works in the hospital and that the family is trying what they can that you know, they will they want closure, they want to find out I did this, but I he was doing this in 96. I don't know. I mean, did he see Amy? I mean, that is such a chance happening that okay, a year earlier, he was working at the hospital where she was at they don't even know if they've crossed paths there. And then he's How is she gonna know that she was at the train station that night unless it was another chance encounter it. I don't think he was stalking or I question the author Bo Mar. I don't know. Now this Scott Hutchins was another person of interest. Now he had a history of stabbing women. And one of them happened to be at the land sales train station. He attacked a woman out of nowhere he destroyed her life. And it was a frigid evening in January 1994. That is weird because, okay, this happened in January 1994. And the murder of Julie barnack happen in November of 1993. You know, okay, there was a girl she was just at a train station. Her name was Kara McKinney, Skye, Hutchins grabbed a kitchen knife from the Walnut Street tavern, which was near the station. He's he attacked this woman and just kept stabbing her repeatedly. He did this to two women, they they don't mention the name of the other woman. Hutchins was already serving four years in jail for attacking or robbing another woman at a Fort Washington train station, the woman managed to break free and run to her car. So these two attacks one was a Fort Washington, one was at Lansdowne which is not too too far from each other. So this guy was in was obviously in my case, and he was attacking people at train stations with knives. So
You know, some investigators believe Hutchins might have done it. But again, there's the question of Dalat happened here before it was at the train station. I mean, it is possible. I would think Hutchins before author bro mark. Now the one thing that really sticks in my head is this guy, Brian tide. Now this was supposed to be her friend. Now he was at South Street. That's where she visited him. She had taken the train home and people saw her on the train. The we know investigators went to the train station, we're asking around, and they said she had been talking to a white male. So which leads me to believe that I mean, I would think that this white male was probably the one that that probably killed her. I don't know. It just sounds kind of weird. Now was the Brian time? I don't know, I they don't really go into the relationship enough. Did she reject him in some way? They said she was such a good person. But she was a little naive. Did she? In my mind, I think, honestly, if it would be any of the three i would i don't think author promo or I don't know why I don't know why. It's not I polished it was a white male that she was talking to. I mean, not that that was their killer. But still, I'm trying to go with it, the totality of the evidence, it's not always the most popular decision. You have to go by what the evidence says. I don't know. I just think in my mind, I think it was an unknown assailant. Knee and none of the three. I think she was a nice girl. She She sounded like she would talk to you know, anybody who asked her something. Somebody might have came up to her, asked her a question. Even brab said, Oh, can you come here for a minute? Why she sounded nervous on the phone. I'm not exactly sure. Maybe the guy was sore at the train station was kind of waving to her or I need to talk to you got off the phone quickly, and then said I really need your help. Can you come with me? And then she said, okay, you know, while waiting for my dad might as well followed him and that's when what happened happened? That to me seems like it makes the most sense. I don't know. And I am just trying to go through this scene. I I just kid the author Bowmore it's a great theory, but yet it doesn't connect somehow. The Scott Hutchinson he was, he seemed to be a knife attack, right. She was killed with blunt force trauma, but he couldn't beat her with the bite of a knife. They said the investigators really thought it was Scott Hodgins. I, you know, it was never proven. And then others. The mom thought it was Brian tie because Brian Todd which this is very strange. He called her one day and said, Did
you check
the train yard? Because a lot of bodies are found in train yards, which the mom said just immediately perked up, you know, made her skin crawl? That is bizarre that that's weird. You know. So the Brian Thai connection to me, seems the most irrelevant, if anything, but we won't know because it's now it's so much time has gone by, and they were never able to get much evidence because she was found so much later. That, you know, this three and a half weeks went by, it was cold. Not too much. The evidence was preserved. They they really, they don't have anything. They said they would never give up on this case. Even when I read newspapers from back then the investigators, his cases, drive people crazy. I mean, now, in Philadelphia, there's so many homicides, and there's the no snitching, you know, there's little plaques, they have it with a knife stabbing a rat. It's sometimes on street corner poles and me I'll see them as much in Philadelphia, as I see. I see them a lot more in like California, but they're there and it's an unknown spoken role anyway, a lot of things get away with because there's so many homicides in Philadelphia, that there's a lot of unsolved homicides, specifically due to the fact that people are not supposed to snitch or if I live in, in a neighborhood. I wouldn't stitch either. I do not blame them. I don't sorry.
I understand, but in Lansdale, and places like that, even where I grew up in Northeast Philadelphia, I mean, people pretty much cooperated and we're, we've give more indication on what happened. So this is out of the ordinary because they said they went even back then when they were investigating us. They talked to a lot of people, and it just seemed like there was no answers. So this is a sad case. She seemed like a beautiful person. Julie barnyock was a sweet young girl who had her whole life ahead of her and her parents not only never got closure, but they never had the joy of seeing she had two younger sisters I'm praying and hoping that their lives went lovely and and they were able to do the things that Julie couldn't but I'm sure that they miss their sister and wish that that they could have seen her do the same things that they've done a my brain can't go there because I can't think about that but I couldn't I just you know, it sucks because I can't get past something like that. I don't believe so. I mean, I you have to live your life and you have to be as happy as she can. But I don't understand why crap like that happens that now there's not much out there for Julie barnyock as far as information so that was for Julie born rock and her family. It is truly a very scary story. I will say in taking away and getting into a more. A little bit of a breather from that. A few of the cases to whet your whistle. There's the Keisha Jones case that is next. Was it murder It wasn't an accident then after that is that is the Philip Taylor Kramer case. He weren't he was an iron butterfly. So who's the magnificent male Linden murder at bed time with Linden. very frightening. He is going to go check that out. It is on podcasts everywhere. He's on YouTube. Murder at bedtime with Linden and I give a shout out Grizzly books always phenomenal. One of my favorite podcasts. Check out were some bones with true crime bones and shopaholicDeb44 I'm a shopaholic and boy am I ever especially with Christmas coming up I am shopping my brains out. Or therightshoepodcast.com has as all the pictures correlating with the show. I did mayhem with the interview with Atilla Csihar and I also have his website linked and he is talking about this poppy liquer he should make that I'm telling you I had more people asked me about that popular car than anything else. He should really think about making that my friend Anthony told me that in America they wash the poppy because of the opiate I don't know if they do it in other countries. I'll tell you why he shouldn't make that poppy juice because it sounds fantastic. say
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I love it says Debbie cue and listening to the right yeah, there was nothing wrong with your headphones and there was nothing wrong with my taping. It was literally me playing around with all the effects that you can do. That was me saying you're listening to the right shoe backwards. Also, I had to add this because this is the addendum that I'm putting in because I just I got clobbered for something I said in the mayhem episode. I forgot to mention this in the beginning. I did not realize the excuse my language the shitstorm that would follow my eye. Boy, things look funny in the dark. Okay. I did not realize when I did the mayhem story.
I say now I was watching this movie with Necrobutcher in it from mayhem and he stated that he feels that like if Messiah or maniac I believe he did say maniac if maniac would have stayed in the band and and none of that stuff with dead or you know varg had happened with your autonomous that they would have been as big as Slayer. So I
were just confused. Like they were like Deb WHAT?. How what? You know, we were with you at that time. How did you not remember how big Slayer was? I just at that time of my life, I was a huge punk rock fan when I was younger, say 15 night we're talking or punk rock days, which punk rock didn't have a very long it came in a it kind of burnt out real quick. At that time now it's had its resurgences I'm getting behind myself. As usual. I'm trying to explain why. I was like into Siouxsie and the Banshees and public image limited the Sex Pistols the slits, oh my god, there's so many the dead milkman there was that I was obsessed with all of those groups. So I was really into that punk rock scene. And then I got a boyfriend. He became my everything. And I think that I wasn't aware. I just remember sitting in the playground, and massive amounts of rap music. That's what I remember. I don't remember but people were really freaking out on me. So I i
the murder of bed time with Lyndon. He said, oh my god that you know, he thought it was funny. And he suggested some things. So I told my sister Get over here and let's get some videos going again because I think that people thought they were funny. And there's other real old ones going through books and you'll see I've always had something going on for if forever since I've been a kid and not with the internet but I've always been involved. I always wrote I just I've always been there folks. Check out all that stuff. When we put up a new video I will announce it more urgently or whatever. But I had to say that about ma'am. Okay, so this is Debbie Q and you're listening to the right shoe.