John Holmes and The Wonderland Murders

John Holmes was born in Ohio 1944, a simple country boy who married a woman named Sharon, setting off for California to live a peaceful happy life.
So how did this mutate into one of the most sordid unsolved murders, John with blood on his hands, after a long slow slide into crack addiction, that Los Angeles CA has ever known?
It started with John getting into pornography and from there, excess and the Hollywood Lifestyle would overtake him to the point of no return. He would become but a shadow of the man he once was and because of his addiction to drugs not only would he start pimping out his young teenage girlfriend, but he would also grow into one of the most legendary undesirables that ran around the streets of LA.
This is the life and downfall of Johnny Wad Holmes and the infamous Wonderland Murders.

Also at the end I do a brief overview of two cases - the Patricia Meehan case out of Montana and the Brayman Hollow Road story - which happened 40 years ago and yet still sends the same chills down the spine as when it first happened.

Transcript

Good afternoon This is David Q and I hope you're gonna be listening to the right shoe. The right series, a podcast about all things strange and unusual, especially in reference to a death. I just had some freaky deaky shit happen. I'm sitting here. I taped 540 minutes of the Wunderland murders, which I'm gonna have to do again, because the whole system blew out. I don't know. I hate when my son's not here. I don't know what happened. But let's, let's all relax. I am going to be doing today. I the Jamie stickle case is coming out. Within the next month I just had I'm going on vacation. I wanted to film I wanted to tape this before and I hope I get the chance. I don't want to happen. I don't want to have happen, which is happen. So my dog is so cute. He there was cats in here the other day and he's still like, all freaked out that they're down there. So anyway, today I'm going to talk about
Johnny homes and the wonder they have murders. The Wunderland murders happened. July 1 1981. The Wunderland murders I there's another murder the keti cabin murders in California, which I also want to do. They're creepy. This is equally as creepy for different reasons. They never truly held accountable. The people that were there technically never saw john Holmes, who is a very infamous porn star was involved in them. I'm going to go over a little bit of his life and then go towards the night of the Wunderland murders, which also there is a video. It was the first time in police procedure that they actually taped for evidence, the crime scene, and the LAPD went in with a camera and it is it's on YouTube, but they it's harder and harder to find. If you can find it, you know, Wonder them murders,
police procedural tape, something like that, you'll be able to find it. It is really unnerving. What because they they're showing the actual dead bodies, and it's the way these people were killed. It's just very disturbing. So let's start off with john Holmes. We'll start off with the good times. Now back in 1944. in Asheville, Ohio, there was a man born named john Curtis homes, and he was just the country bomb gang. You know, simple life simple times got married young to a girl named Sharon who would stick by him pretty much through the rest of his life. It's pretty unbelievable. What happened because they got married. They don't believe they ever had any children. Yeah, he didn't have any kids. He was just married to Sharon. That's a shame. It's such a shame which I went to. What happened was Sharon and givony they got married on August 22 1965. And they became very, you know, they were happily married couple everything was great.
They moved to California. And I guess Oh, Sharon actually died in 2012. I did not know that. You know, they got together and they had a pretty good marriage. So when this happened Sharon was shocked. JOHN Holmes was not your typical like good looking guy. But he went he had something that not a lot of people have and that is a huge pain is his now based on all that I read. And I've I've always been into this Wonderland murders and Johnny homes in general. Because of Boogie Nights. There's so many reasons. I Oh, there's a breeze in Philadelphia right now. That's absolutely heaven on earth. Sorry. So Johnny Holmes had a 13 and a half inch penis. And there's pictures of it and it is insane. The one porno star said it was the equivalent of blowing a telephone pole. So, you know, you get this guy's concert guy. He's married. He goes to LA and he needed money.
You know, I think Sharon, you know, she did nursing or some, something like that she always did something of the legal variety. It was she was not into. Yeah, she was a nurse as I thought she was, you know, she was a nurse and but he went out. And at the time, there was no
there was no pornography that we know today, it wasn't accessible. And they had I mean, playboy, but that was very mild back then. And when they went to for print ad, and they saw his penis, it was a guy name, his last name is sowards. He saying what he had in his pants, and he said, You need to be photographed. Also, he got him into these things called loops, which were 40 minutes shows that they showed at bachelor parties. And it was really just, um, it was really just 40 minutes of it wasn't like the porn that we know today, where the even the half is trying to put a story. It was just literally a silent film of someone going, Oh, I want to do you, oh my god, it's the mailman. Let's have sex, and then they would have sex. So that you know, they were again, they were mostly shown at bachelor parties, etc. So they, he did that. He tells Sharon, Sharon, absolutely free exam. She said, Listen, we are married. She said, I am not out there cheating on you. Why in God's grace, and would you cheat on me and do this stuff? You know, she was really pissed. And he was like, Look, you know, this is money for me. And he wasn't stop and like, john adams just stood his ground. He wanted to do it. And then when loops became full blown pornography movies, and the pornography business did explode around the 70s. With the advent of Deep Throat with Linda Lovelace canal later, she would claim that she was raped. And she was forced into doing this now I don't know, you know, I, I don't know. I mean, I That's terrible. That's the truth. But that was so big back then that they would show deep throat and they would couples would go and they would hold hands. And it was a big deal to go to a pornography movie. It was a big deal. It was just like the going to see the Godfather. it you know, the lines wrapped around the building. You know, I remember as a kid, we only had one movie theater. It wasn't even near us. It was up further and bensalem to movies. And when the Godfather came out, it was wrapped around the blog. I think it was godfather Joe. I was very young. But that's that's how it was. He He said I want to do these pornographic movies. And he became such a big star from these movies. There was just no stopping them. There was no it was just it was what it was like he was there was no getting Johnny away from the pornography at this point. You know, this guy. Bob chin in fact said it was funny when he walked in. He said there was three guys and he said Johnny Holmes comes in with these skinny guy with this big fro. He said in the end he was like dude, you're I don't think you're for me and he said oh yeah and he whipped out his penis that telling stored in and his partner job Bob Chin's partner said Wow, what a wide so they came up with this character Johnny wad that he would go out he would. He was like this, you know, studly
law man. They tried to like grease his hair down the best they could put a pair of sunglasses on them toothpick in his mouth and make him look like Johnny was the protector. You know, and Bob chin said it was as good as we could get. But it's funny because if you see Boogie Nights with Mark Wahlberg and john c Reilly that it's very much it's a very loosely based on john Holmes his story. And it's just funny because it really is how the movies were is that's quite accurate. So he's doing these movies. He's having a great time. He didn't do drugs. He did not do drugs. Bob chin said when he met john Holmes, he didn't even smoke weed. He said he started to He said, But initially he did not do anything like no Coke, nothing. So what happened was boredom. And boredom will get you into trouble. I think that's pretty much what happened to me as a kid, a mood board. It was never for me. It was net. Well, there was a stress period but ultimately I started because I wanted to party. I was a kid.
I was bored, but it brings on such badness. Eventually he did start drinking, he became big the money and money. So he started doing he started drinking. Then he started doing coke. Then he started doing so much coke that eventually crack cocaine came out. And they said, you know, there was people saying like, you know, crack was just so addictive. He was blowing through money. He was ruining everything he had started. And it was definitely willing in his relationship with China, which told him long ago, I am not air lover anymore, I will be your companion. I will be your friend. But that's it. I'm done. He says I'm so disgusted by this and she was very disgusted. But she said, I noticed as his crack addiction got worse, more and more stuff got stolen out of our household. Like she said, It started off as little things and it became big things. And there was actually a few of his Hollywood friends that were quoted as saying, if you told Johnny you weren't going to be him, he would come into your house and steal whatever you had. So you could not let him now you'll be gone. He just slipped into a real scumbag headset fucking crack man. He meets this guy named Eddie Nash. Now Eddie Nash was a Palestinian man who had come over from Ramallah, British Palestine. He was born in 1921. And he lived to the ripe old age of 85. He was a nightclub earner. He was a restaurant tour. He was a drug dealer. He had initially had a hotdog cart in LA but he built that up and built that up until he was able to get several nightclubs together. And he was smart like he had like, the gay nightclub, the black nightclub, the yuppie nightclub, and it really he really capitalize on what was going on in the late 70s, early 80s. So he was he had a ton of money and a ton of drugs and it was like the house that you see like it was like the Playboy Mansion, you know naked girls on around drugs, everything was just decadence, splendor and over the top madness and one of his friends was actually Liberace his lover he said he was there for a very long like he he became a fixture in that household. Scott Thorson. I do believe Yeah, he died. Oh, he's still alive. Good for you, Scott. But he would go over to Eddie Nash's house. So he he knows some of what happened regarding the wonder that murders as I said, I think I said because I am doing this twice now. The for the one year they murders was the first time that a police procedural video like they actually taped the crime scene that was never done before this. This was the first LAPD went in and tape this now. It was so creepy. This video. Oh my gosh, it. I found that one night. And I was so terrified. It was the little things that made it terrifying. And I play a little bit of it for you. And I'm sure you can find on YouTube. But it is creepy. And the creepiest part is when the police I mean not only are they going through and going dead body after dead body after dead body. I mean, they're the dead bodies right there on the video. You know, I know that's how they tape things. But it was I was just shocked to see it because I'd read about the Wunderland murders for so many years and I'd never seen that tape. And this this TV in the background is gone. It's it's like back in the day we we would watch TV until the Star Spangled Banner would come one and then they would have like a brief little
little cult discoloration of the video, you know the TV itself and then it would go off into static while on the T this is what was going on as they were taping could see that. The blinking, blinking blinking in the background and it was so eerie of that TV made me creeped out. And if anyone listened to my heroin episodes, the family that I knew God didn't remind me of their house. That's another thing that creeped me out. Oh, it just reminded me of being there at night. Very scary, so and nightmarish, especially regarding what was to come. So here we go. Well, Johnny is falling hard into crack cocaine use. It got to the point where he could not he just couldn't be trusted anymore. On
The set I mean, he would, you know, they either find him in the closet somewhere smoking crack freaking out. Or though in the one instance this is woman, she felt bad for Johnny and she tried to get him like when he was on his real slippery slide into nothingness. She made this movie about him called exhausted. She wanted to try to get him you know, I think they had a little romance to at some point maybe before he cuz I don't even think he could get hard in the end. Julia St. Vincent, she had taped a form with the intent that it was to be a comeback, but only did she lose money on it. But Johnny was waiting for a telephone call. And you literally see him during the making of it answering this telephone call and running out the door to get drugs to which he would never come back. You know, he would get high and that's that so she everyone was just frustrated by this. Sharon was just I don't even know how she she still let them into the house. But at this point, I don't even think they had that kind of relationship. He had already met this younger girl named dawn nowadays the word would be groomed her. He she was very young. And when they first met, he was like, Oh, you're too young for me. He I guess maybe you tried to stay away from her for five seconds. He ultimately she would be play a big part of his life. And she would kind of stick with them until the end. She is a good book on Amazon. Just look dawn Shiller s c h i ll er that is a really good book about it called Wonderland. It's on it. She wrote it but it's it's really good. He You know, this is going on. He's sinking farther and further. He met Eddie Nash, during a time when he was on the slide down. And Eddie Nash was like, Okay, let me take you in. And he helped out john to an extent. You know, I mean, as far as giving them drugs and stuff, he became a fixture in the house of Eddie Nash. The problem was, is every junkie will ultimately reveal themselves. He used Eddie Nash, she used him for whatever he could get. And eventually Eddie Nash got tired of him owing him money because the bill tab was up and up and up. So he was like that say you're cut off we're done. And this did not throw john Holmes any now in walks a group of people that really were a was a true drug group. They were called the Wonderland gang. And they were made up of Ron launius. Who was so mean the cop this one cop said he was literally just the one of the most ferocious men I ever met like there was not like he was just mean to the core he just had. He just had issues Billy Devereaux. He was part of the gang. David Lind, Tracy McCourt and adjoin Miller. And then there was Barbara Richardson, who was going out with David Lynch at the time, but I don't think she was a true member of the Wonderland gang. She just was kind of out for a good time. But what happened was join Miller was an absolutely beautiful, gorgeous woman. She was the wife of a lawyer, and this will show you how far you can slide from heroin. She started doing heroin, she got breast cancer, and maybe from the pain which is a shame because I can see how this happens. She started doing heroin and she slipped hard. She went to the bottom of the barrel. she rented an apartment or leased an apartment. It was maybe it was a townhouse wasn't like a little step above. You know like a step above an apartment as far as space and everything at 763 Wonderland Avenue in the Laurel Canyon section of Los Angeles. So we're talking about a kind of a she she neighborhood but they really wow they didn't they brought it down a little as like people said they you know, they were just there was a balcony outside and they would throw the drugs up and down. I've seen this done 1000 times and South Valley specially in the 80s you would throw the money up and they would throw the you would pretend your car was broke down. So you would park so if a cop came up, you'd say I'm working on this car, throw the money out, get the drugs and go well this was happening in Wonderland constantly. And there was so much commotion so much partying that the night of the murders. They wouldn't get help for a very long time because everyone just thought it's the typical Wonderland house. So Johnny is
past because basically Eddie Nash cut them off. He had this big idea. He gets another one doing gank did not in any way treat Johnny good ever. I really have heard different accounts and then there's a movie with Val Kilmer. He basically plays the johnnie Holmes character. It's a good movie. In the movie, they present him as always laughing especially Ron Lonnie is always telling him the whip and his deck like you're you're just our monkey parlor trick. You know, you're nothing. They just thought he was a joke. So now I read that that wasn't true. But I've read so many other accounts that it was true that I tend to believe it. I think they probably did think it was a joke at this point. I mean, he was a mess. He looked a mess. He had nothing at this point. He was literally I think this is at the point where he was beating up his girlfriend dawn and forcing her to perform tricks and she was so hooked on crack John's You know, he had groomed her he had met her as when she was very young and he kind of groomed and now the grooming wasn't a word back then but today we would perceive it is grooming her to be this like little his little slot and you know you go out you get the money because I can't even get hard anymore. So nobody's hiring me. Eddie Nash cut them off. And Sharon cut them off. Everyone cut them off. And these these dirtbags pretty much I mean, Joey Miller breaks my heart because of the breast cancer, but I think Ron launius and David Lin, I think they run launius in particular sounded like a real scumbag Tracy McCourt just seems like one of those guys that they hang around at home. Hang on for any scrappy and get Billy dev roads deverill seemed just about the most classiest of them and but they together they would do anything to rip people off they would say they were cops come in, you know, and bus people but literally they were just stealing their drugs. One night, john Holmes has this brilliant idea. He says to the Wonderland gang. Let's go over I'll leave. I'll go into Eddie Nash's house. I'll get in there somewhere. I'll beg him for forgiveness. And I will leave the back door unlocked. And he did he went over to Eddie Nash's house. He you know, says Eddie, you know, let's make up or whatever. And Eddie. I mean, Eddie just did not sound like this bad guy. But I know it. I don't want to say that because I know ultimately, he must have been some kind of scumbag from just that whole world. And I don't know we I don't know why they allude in Boogie Nights that he like kind of kept boy toys around. So for that disgusting, but I don't know. It just seemed like this guy, Johnny hams who you kicked out. You're literally giving him a second chance, even if it's drug related. And then he leaves the backdoor up and so that these Wonderland people can rob him. He actually went back and check the door three times. He was so worried that he would forget you know, it's like OCD kind of thing. He kept going back to make sure it was the door was open. So he gets the door and the doors open. He fakes his way out. He goes running back he's like it's 5am and he's like, oh, we're going to get it. We're going to get it. He goes into the Wonder heartland house and they are so high on heroin that they couldn't even get up finally Three hours later, they go the Wonderland gang goes into Eddie Nash's house under the pretense that they're cops they have these fake San Francisco badges they're screaming and yelling and they get now in some I heard that the bodyguard Gregory dials got shot in the buttocks I it doesn't say that every single account but I did read that and it was a mistake if they tie them up I'm not even put some accounts Don't even say that he got shot but I'm pretty sure it's they're very differing in the core transcripts and everything but I'm pretty sure he did get shot in the box during this whole thing. So he was injured. And Eddie Nash was on his knees. This proud Palestinian who had made his way up in the American lifestyle was on his knees begging for his life. He I don't know what he thought at this point. I don't know if he thought they were cops. You know, maybe by this point, he realized they weren't. And I'll tell you what, they got a huge haul. They not only got like one ounce of absolutely pure heroin. They got $100,000 of cocaine. And they got $100,000 of joy and money out of this safe that john walk and Johnny Holmes knew was in there. So they come back and they're just whooping it up. And they're like, you know, we got the money. We got everything and just going off
About I think they were wearing a watch that they had found or john, somebody was wearing a watch because ultimately, either Gregory dials or somebody in Eddie Nash's corner would see this watch and kind of put two and two together. Not that he probably didn't already didn't figure out that Johnny left that back door up and or something. He figured out who it was because Scott Thurston said, when he got he said he was at the house the night either the night habit or the night, like right after happened. He was in there. He said, Gregory dials got Johnny. I swear he seen him wearing a watch. he drags him back to Eddie Nash's house, they beat the living shit out him. They actually asked Scott Thurston to leave first. He said, and I could just hear pounding and it must have been Johnny arms, his head going through the wall. He said he was they were beating the living shit out of him. And they were like, you're gonna bring us back to their house? And you're going to watch you know, and I believe this part, I believe that Johnny couldn't stomach blah. I don't think Tani was into all that blood and shit. I think he just was so scared to death like he was he knew he was gonna get killed if he didn't go with them. So it was Johnny ohms. Pretty sure Gregory dials and two other people that were never caught. This is why it's unsolved, because nobody ever talked, but everyone knew what happened. They go back to the Wonderland house. Scott Thurston said, I don't know if they had a hammer or a pipe in their hand, but I think it would be a pipe because after all said and done, they found the thread of a pipe in dented in these people's heads. That's how violently they were to be beat up. July 1 1981. Gregory dials Johnny Holmes, allegedly, and two, supposedly two unknown people. They go into the Wonderland house. Now Barbara Richardson is on the floor. She was on the couch watching television. What they did was so you know, to me, getting shot is one thing being beat to death with a pipe or a hammer. I mean, can you imagine being beat to death with a hammer, they go in barber Richardson's they get to her first. Now David Lind, who was a part of this. He would not be there. Now. I've heard again a little bit of various stories. One said he was away at his own house waiting a court appearance, but I also heard he was out with a transvestite that night while Barbara Richardson was at this house waiting for him. The people that would be killed that night were Barbara Richardson, Ron launius, Joy Miller and Billy devrel. They bludgeoned to death barber Richardson there was a combination of hammers and metal pipes. Barbara's bloody body was found on the living room floor and I play you a short clip and about a minute of when they found her Miller was found in her bed. Now this is another creepy part in the video devil was at the foot of the bed in an upright position leaning against the TV stand a hammer had been found on the bed. It was so unbelievable to see he is in. I know it's sometimes hard because I don't have pictures to share you. If you can get a hold of this video Wonderland martyrs saying him sitting up so bloodied, it is a disturbing image. very disturbing. Well, launius was found beaten to death on his bed with his gravely injured wife, Susan beside him on the floor. Susan would ultimately survive all those she would have to have part of her skull surgically removed. Neighbors reported hearing screams around 3am no phone calls were placed until 4pm. The next day, for a few reasons. Back then, things were just coming up, you know, these new age therapies and some people said I literally thought they were doing some kind of scream therapy because that was like all the rage back then, like screaming at the top of your lungs was would get out your registration. And plus and this is how disturbing people were going in like drug addicts that knew that house was full of drugs or going in just walking through the dead bodies. Walking through all that blood. There was so much blood on the walls on the floors. It was just like it was unbuilt, like sad
iterated, and people were just walking through taking what they could drug wise before they call the police. The reason Susan launius survived was because she was in bed moaning. And there had been, what's it she was either she was either on the bed or on the floor. She was in that bedroom, she probably fell off. I mean, at one point, I assumed she was in bed, and they beat her with the hammer so bad. She fell off. There was cleaners or movers next door, and they kept hearing this moaning. So they went next door, the guy had like somewhat of a nervous breakdown of after what he saw, but he did manage to get Susan help before she died. She lived although again, she had to get some of our school removed when they went to court for all this and they tried to bring in john Holmes a million times Eddie Nash, they tried to get people they gave Johnny homes not guilty. Now, his palm print had been found on the bed in there. But they couldn't really prove I guess they did it because they said not guilty. They just he just said I was there. I was horrified. They forced me to be there. I didn't want to be there. You know, he was sick from it. Now, I'll tell this part, Susan, which is another very creepy image. She said that, because they said like, what did you say? And she said, all I saw are shadows. That's all I could say. And she was probably so traumatized and so beaten up, but to just that image of just seeing the shadows coming in, beating you to death and that eerie TV. Oh, that blinking on and off that image just it's very frightening, if scarier than any horror movie because it's true. Now she, I think got her name changed and was moved. You know, they they pretty much she's never been seen or heard from again, but she's still apparently alive. She did survive. Now Sharon said this was one night when john did come home to her or their former home. He knocked in the door. She said he was full of blood. He was crying. She got him into the bathtub. He can barely get the words out. He was telling her like, I just witnessed these people being murdered. It was just too much warm. Like, you know, he was overwhelmed. She said she kind of got them back on his feet. And then him and Dawn would ultimately go down to Florida, but they were fine for a couple of months. And then what would happen is he got right back into the drug thing. He she left and that was the last time she saw him. She said I can't do this anymore, john, and she said that was the very last time she saw Johnny Holmes. Johnny did go to court. He spent 110 days in jail for contempt of court because he refused to cooperate or testify with the authorities. He said he was scared to death on June 26 1982. He was acquitted of all criminal charges. So john adams, the guy who started out as you know, it's porn, but he had a little bit of infamy and fame and money, and he could have probably had a nice life, but drugs really destroyed them. And this story does scare me to death. It really does. Holmes died six years after being acquitted on March 13 1988 as a result of AIDS complications at the VA Medical Center in Los Angeles a month before he died to police detectives visited homes at the VA hospital to question him about the martyrs nothing came in the visit because hams was barely awake and he was incoherent. He never told anybody anything. The only thing again, Sharon was the only one in an interview with the Los Angeles Times. She said Holmes arrived at her house with blood splatter all over him, told her that he was at the murder recounted how he led three thugs to the tightly secure jog house on Wonderland he got in because he knew the code and when he popped the code, they were probably just thinking, Oh, it's just Johnny let them in. And then it killed them. They never said the name of the three assailants. In 1990 Nash Eddie Nash was charged in California state court with having plan the martyrs and dials was charged as a participant. Thorson testified against them Liberace, his ex Scott Thorson, but the trial ended with a hung jury vote of 11 to one for conviction. Wow. A second trial in 1991 ended acquittal for both Nash and dials because at this time, I think time has gone around dials died from liver failure 1997 and 2000 after a four year investigation, Nash was arrested
on federal charges under the Rico act, and brah he apparently bribing the sole holdout Jor joar of his first child, he was already in the 70s. Suffering from emphysema agreed to a plea bargain agreement in September 2001. He admitted to having bribed the lone holdout, a young woman with 50 grand and two money laundering. He also admitted to having ordered his associates to retrieve stolen property from Wonderland house, which might have resulted in violence but he denied planning the murders. In the end, he received a four and a half year sentence and a $250,000 fine. As I said, Boogie Nights was loosely based 1997 also Wonderland. It's a good movie. Kate Bosworth is Dawn Schiller and Val Kilmer is Johnny Holmes and Dylan McDermott is David Lin. I really like Dylan McDermott. Christina Applegate is Susan launius. Lisa could you is Sharon Holmes and Janine Gruffalo is joy Miller. Wow. I did not realize that she was joy Miller joy Miller for some reason. I don't know. For some reason I broke my heart I think because it sucks. You know, it sucks that that's how she got it. It was like breast cancer and then she just kept spiraling downward. I will play you this. This is just the beginning of the video of the police. This is the real police video first time that police ever taped anything for a murder
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The sound is awful. Looking at a northwesterly direction towards the entrance,
a free level single family residence.
three levels single family residence so I guess it was a house. They go through the car.
There's a Mercedes
when they go up to barber Richardson, oh boy, is it is
the first level living room area.
We're in victim number one was found.
blood splatter rings are evident
on the south and west walls.
And on the sofa located on the west wall of the living room.
There is evidence of ransacking in this room.
narcotics paraphernalia is evidence on the coffee table
directly above
to the northeast of victim one.
All right now they're showing why we're actually covered by a pink and white checkered spread.
Covering the lower buttocks and down across the feet.
I mean, it's unbelievable how much blood is all over.
To be be like that, like
her face is completely the form a potted plant is evidential on the floor, south of the victim's head
implant had apparently been hanging from the ceiling of the victim.
So that's how that I mean, it's a long slow video, but when if you can watch it, it's actually really disturbing. When that TV's blinking on and off, I'll tell ya, I just it's so disturbing. It's just so creepy. And then for those people to be walking around, there's dead bodies. I guess they just want to drug so badly. There was too. I'm gonna just do a little bit of shout outs. And then there was just two small stories I wanted to do. Like totally on this Unsolved Mysteries kick if this is the end of the Wunderland murders, if you want to keep listening, it's the shout outs and I just wanted to do just two small unsolved mystery story that I thought were beyond interesting.
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doesn't have all our bearings together yet. She sees this girl come up from like nowhere and it was the girl. It was Patricia. Me and the girl that had been driving the car that was driving a radically she says she doesn't say a word she just stares at her and leaves the scene. At first police officer said we thought it was just like your standard hit and run and she was just trying to avoid getting in trouble. But her family said they never seen or heard from our again. There was one sighting that was pretty well solidified because there had been a lot of sightings ever. But the one was with these two wagers as she went into a coffee shop. Now first she asked the girl I need to get out of her quickly. And the waitress says, Oh, you have to go back to work because she said it was kind of before nine and she says um, people always like eat a little and then go to work. She says but this girl was like no now, you know, she just had like a spastic answer and sat down but she said she was in a hurry. And then she proceeded sit there for an hour and a half. The other waitress that waited on her said I asked her if she was okay. She said she did not see my he seemed really spacey. Like she didn't even know where she was. And she said I can't you know, I did say Are you okay? And she said she kind of just looked at me with this really spacey look. And she never really answered her. You know, other than the sound fine. But Patricia Meaghan was never ever seen or heard from her family again. So she was they found this pic that camera roll that she had taken in this one picture, she does look positively haunted. Her mom said she thinks she regrets not having kids, which can be if you get to a point and and you didn't have children and you wanted them, I could see how that can be pretty devastating. So our mom says I think she really felt like she missed down on a lot, especially having kids. But she said, you know, we didn't know she was that depressed and to never be seen or heard from again. It was just very interesting. It was just so bizarre to see this woman climbing over this dark like Montana road and she's just staring and the woman said she didn't even say anything. She just ran away. And nobody could just live their corner like she's gone. And it was Patricia man. The next one. This is a little bit more famous Braman hollow road. Now this one I'm pretty sure it's Unsolved Mysteries on amazon prime. It's season two, Episode 14 is the very first story. It's very short, but it's good and it's strange. There was a girl they call it she said, Yeah, she called herself cow because she didn't want anyone to know her real name. She always took this shortcut called Braman hollow road.
She was driving down the street One day, she said, You know, sometimes I question Why did I always take that street now because it was like all the path and the beaten path. But she said, that's how I used to go to work. There was a truck in front of her. And several people had seen the truck that day, because they said that they were almost he was almost antagonistic in his movements, like he would move back and forth. Like he was trying to get someone to yell at him. And I have to say with all these road rage incidents that are going on now. It sounds like stuff that happens all the time now. So she proceeds to drive and this got this truck in front of her. He's back forth, back forth. Like stop. He's He's driving real weird. And she said I didn't know what to do, because I would hit him. He was really slamming on his brakes. All of a sudden, he slams on his brakes. And she, she slams on ours. He gets out of the car, just your average guy and pulls a gun on her and shoots her in the head shoots her. She said he took off. She said Now the first thing that happened is she fell to the side on the passenger seat. She said at first I was like I'm dead. I'm dying. She said but I could hear the radio. She could hear the laughter of the morning drive time. Then she thought oh my god, I'm paralyzed. But she said then I kicked off my shoes. So I knew I wasn't paralyzed then because nobody could see or they probably just thought it was like a car that had like ran out of gas or something move to the side of the road so people kept swerving around or nobody was looking over an end to see what was in the car until you tell them
The truck came by and he, he said I was high enough in the cab that I could see into the car and I saw her slumped over. So he called he called police immediately, rescue came and it was amazing on the way to the hospital, the detective was saying, you know, he was asking her questions and he kept saying, Who did this to? blink once for Yes, blink twice for now. And like, you know, she didn't notice you blink twice. You know, was it a truck, they slowly painstakingly got out somewhat of what happened. And they look for this guy, and they never found them. And this poor cow. It really freaked her out because she had the bullet lodged in the back of her head, and it would be there forever. I mean, as far as I know, they never had any they did have one update that said the guy was never caught and that happened in I think 1980 So that was another very disturbing one. I feel very bad for the care of the girl named cows. She said I just hate the fact that this bullet is in me, you know, she said they told her it's it is worse to try to fish it out. Rather than if something's not bothering you. It's always better to leave it in it's like homicide when I you know a couple of times they've told me that people have been stabbed and when they pull it out themselves and evidently die but there was one guy who had gotten stabbed in the head I think he ultimately died but he did make it to the hospital with this knife in his head because he knew not to pull it out but they were like there was nothing we could do because if when we you know when they they even surgically tried to pull it out but it was just too deep and it was in his head so that must be in a very scary and I mean can you imagine he gets stabbed and you know you're going to die I mean that's got to be the worst. Pa things people do to each other My goodness. I so those were that was the wonder and murders and a little the producer me amps and just a review and the Braman hollow road all of which you can find on especially the producer mayhem and the Braman hollow road. That's on unsolved mysteries. There's like a site dedicated to all the episodes that they've done. I would love to do the circleville Ohio letters. That is one creepy story but I would need to really look into that because that's a confusing story, but it's good. And again, yes. Oh, I'm getting to everything I can. I'm just gonna be on vacation. So have a great day guys, Debbie q with the right shoe and thank God it made it